That's awesome! It always bothered me that Guy wasn't in Final Fight 2 when the story greatly revolves around his family. This explanation goes a long way to rectifying Guy's missing presence in FF2.
@@mitchnissen7175 That man was not about to stop training for anything. "Sorry sensei and fiancee, gonna let y'all stay kidnapped while I 'train'. I'm sure my friends will take care of it."
@@silliwillivanilli I don't think the mad gear told guy his family was kidnapped. And I doubt maki or haggar could get in contact with him. This was long before cell phones and the internet. The Real Mad gear twitter page: @guy FF we just kidnapped your girl friend and dad. Come over here right now and fight us!!!
I just want to give a big thank you and shoutout to BIG DADDY TOP HAT, your upload schedule and quality has stayed consistent. You’ve been making this quarantine so much easier to get through and every time I see you’ve uploaded a video, life feels back to normal for just a moment.
It's so funny...I only recently found your channel and went through the Streets of Rage Quadrilogy (including remake) and finished Final Fight. Couldn't find a video on Final Fight 2...but low and behold, you heard my prayers. YEAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Japanese versions are all uncensored. I can't stand the censored Western releases. Jaleco had a decent SNES brawler trilogy that's better on the Japanese releases, also.
Streets of Rage and Cody from Final Fight and the game itself is inspired by a US film called "Streets of Fire", a flop in the US but a big hit in Japan. Cody is not only based on Cody from the film but named after him as well.
Supposedly it is not. According to an interview. It's all just coincidence even tho there are very clear simalarities. On the other hand, except for the name cody, all the elements of it are common enough. In Double Dragon, they had similar things. And there's no wrestling mayor or Ninja in Streets of fire.
I’ve always had a real soft spot for Final Fight 2, I’ve even got the bootleg JAMMA board version of it, but it’s not a game loved by many. While it does fix all the things omitted from the FF1 port (scene transistors, 3 characters and two players) it’s very basic in terms of gameplay with little in the way of strategy or advanced techniques needed beyond simple button mashing. Also, you have to wonder what sort of research Capcom did when they designed London. The trains are nothing like ones in the UK and the background looks more like Gotham City than London.
While Final Fight 2 looked better than the first Streets of Rage it doesn't change that the characters have less range of moves and the game can't show more than three enemies on screen at the same time and that problem remained in Final Fight 3 minus a small section where they 'fixed' the problem with all the enemies being the same character. Finally, Final Fight 2 and the first Streets of Rage portrait the main graphic differences between Super Nes and Megadrive. Super Nes graphics look better while Megadrive graphics move better, there were lots of exceptions of course but that was what happened in most games.
What do you mean by better? I see a common misconception that the colour palette meant better graphics rather than the actual sprites in games being better. also Streets Of Rage came out 2 years before Final Fight 2. When it comes down to it many games were developed for Snes then ported to Sega when if they were made for Sega from scratch they could and were often mainly better in fact in the cases where Sega games were ported to Snes the Sega versions were the superior ones, and when Snes games were ported to Sega the Snes version often looked better, the few times the Sega games looked worse was because of the devs used which is why 1st party games for both show a systems potential.
For me je is inpired from Dan Severn Who was an incredible westler fighting in the first UFC's (first appearance at ufc 2 or 3 I think). .. same physical appearance than Haggart.... and the moustache 😉😉😁 lol
Seriously, the problem with FF(2) graphics is not hardware, it's the style. Big sprites, yes, but super stiff and limited in animation. Backgrounds are colorful, but they feel like big cardboard cutouts.
If only Final Fight 2 & Final Fight 3 was redone in the style of the first Final Fight arcade with noticeable differences. The final boss in Final Fight 2 should be doing far more then in the SNES version.
yeah i've been playing the gba version of final fight, it's way more fun than final fight 2 on snes. final fight 2 is one of the most boring beat em ups i've ever played.
Please compare Turtles Tournament Fighters (MD/SNES). Also compare Dragon The Bruce Lee Story. Would also love to see Batman Returns, Ninja Warriors on the SNES and Two Crude Dudes on the MD. 👊
Yeah. He didn't mention the standard, heavy censorship that occurred with the Western releases of every single Final Fight game on SNES (same with the Streets of Rage series). I only play the Japanese versions of brawlers to avoid the censorship. Even the Jaleco brawler trilogy got butchered in the West.
@@TexasHollowEarth Surprisingly enough, there was no censorship in Final Fight 3, at least when it came to the female enemies. At least Capcom included the Japanese version of Final Fight as part of the Beat Em Up Bundle.
Final Fight 2 is my personal favorite in the series ( in part because I love Maki...her design, personality & playstyle just drew me in ). Can't wait for the inevitable Final Fight 3 history...and Mighty Final Fight, perhaps?
So here's what I think they should do. Release streets of rage 4, make Final Fight 4..then make a crossover game combining both final fight and streets of rage. Then i'll wait patiently for a new golden axe :P
Final Fight 4 would have Mayor Cody, Lucia, Zeku, & the Returning Mike Haggar on the Street & have Shadaloo as the Villians, since Both Abigail & Poison Retired as Mad Gear Goons & move on, & The Story is set during a Shadow Falls.
Man, I would've loved to hear the conversation between Haggar, Carlos, and Maki on their way to Japan. They literally flew from Hong Kong to Paris, then went around literally all of Europe, only to go to Japan, literally across the water from where they started. Imagine the money they spent pointlessly.
Actually SOR2 was kind of a technical marvel, because it was very difficult to do the down-right scrolling so smoothly, like in the first level, and SEGA pulled it off. You can see Guile btw in the French Aiport. Oh and my country is called Netherlands, not Holland
I was just about to say the same thing. They should remake the first game from the ground up but keep it 2d for the modern consoles. Final Fight One is awesome I owned it when it came out on the GBA but it is more or less a port.
The only game that I can even compare to Streets Of Rage 2 or put next to in comparison is Alien Vs Predator arcade game from Capcom. Don’t know if you have covered this beat’em up but in my opinion is definitely one of the best arcade beat’em up. Oh also Golden Axe the return of Death Adder I think is the title name from sega, is an incredible 4 player beat’em up that never made it to any home console like AVP.
I hope you talk about Denjin Makai and Rushing Beat series sometime ^^ About this video I liked more the gameplay of SOR but my heart belongs to FF xD another thing is that again Capcom changed the girls for guys in Final Fight 2 cuz Mary and Eliza only appears in the Japanese version xD
I gave up on Final Fight pretty early on, that generation. I played Rival Turf and Brawl Brothers. I think there was a third game but I never played it.
Even with Streets of Rage being inspired by Final Fight, and we can agree that Final Fight as such, especially the arcade version is still a tight game to play. But when Streets of Rage II arrived, Sega truly amped up everything to 11. So even Sega had trouble to top that off with their sequel. Final Fight 2 looks pale in comparison, kinda bloodless. I didn't even know this existed if it wasn't for bloody emulation.
13:16 Well, the Nothern Legue was in charge of the region, that's why Venice is so unkept both in the streets and in the lake. The situation didn't change much nowadays, unless you can call a lame retractable sea wall to protect the city from high water level an imporvement.
@ 4:40 Now that you remind me, *yes* Streets of Rage *was* really that good, Phantasy Star II though, was still better with like, an entire *year* of gameplay for me. Streets of Rage 2 was my "go to" console Fighting Game when i really didn't have one. :3
I played this game quite a bit and I always thought that it was boring. I noticed the new characters, Haggar's redesign, I really wanted to like Carlos and Maki but again they didn't do enough innovation to warrant me keeping the game in my library when I was a kid. The 2 player co-op, new locations, story, and bonus stages were cool but there were no new fight mechanics. Carlos only used his sword for his desperation move but he would pick up a 2x4 or glass bottle to fight, just why? Lackluster to say the least, SOR2 was WAY better IMO as well.
HANDS DOWN for me personally THIS IS my favourite all time when I first played it at 6 years old when i got older for me it was therapy for me, whenever i had a bad day or some other bullshit ill throw this on and whatever was bugging me was gone when i beat it i love this game so much that two.p is my favourite bad guy in the game his design just awesome lol i just play a round with hagger this evening lol im 34 and game still as good today, tommrow im gonna introduces my 11 year old daughter hopefully she get that experience i did but if not i got to play my favourite game with my daughter lol
Awesome video as usual! I was extremely disappointed with this game. Graphics and gameplay weren't much of an upgrade IMO, and with Streets of Rage out there, Capcom should have really upped the ante. But they didn't.
I enjoyed Final Fight 2 but doing this on Expert Difficulty is a pain in the ass. Oh and I played Final Fight Guy and it feels more challenging than the original, especially when you do it in Expert.
I wouldnt mind if beat-em-ups were added to modern fighting games as a 1-4 player experience. Every time I see a final fighter in a street fighter game it always gets me. Zoom the screen back and throw a few dozen thugs at em to make it even and let em hadouken and corkscrew blow to their heart's content
One of the complaints though i had forever regarding mike hagar is that we never saw him in a SF title,since street fighter & final fight shares the same universe-world! I was hoped to see the character in SFV but again they never worked him for this game also! Instead we have the character appearing in the most unsuitable game of all that was UMVC3! Also it would be nice to see a remastered-reworked version of a collection featuring the final fight 2-3 on their beat em up bundle,since the exclusivity wear off i believe after so many years they should include also those two games on their bundle making the collection even bigger!
I too prefer arcade Final Fight over Final Fight 2 on the SNES, and also agree that Streets of Rage 2 blows away its own predecessor, in addition to FF arcade, FF SNES, and this, FF2. However, that all said, FF2 does lots of things right as you mentioned Top Hat, but the biggest drawback for me, isn't the ok graphics and uninspired enemy designs. It's the challenge...or should I say lack thereof. Honestly...even on its hardest setting, the enemy characters seem to mostly just 'stand around' while you beat on them and their buddies. To me, this made the gameplay quite tedious and boring. Beat'em ups by their nature can be repetitive, but when a good challenge is presented (such as arcade Final Fight, both of Sega's first two SOR games, and even SNES Final Fight), then it keeps the player on his/her toes, knowing if they aren't up to snuff with their finger speed and proper positioning onscreen, the enemies WILL overwhelm them and end their game! This just doesn't happen in FF2. I've been known to look away from the screen while someone talks to me and while mashing on the attack button and clear a screen. I've had NON gamers sit and play the game (on the hardest setting) and do pretty well without really knowing too much about the mechanics. So that is why I will always consider Final Fight 2 a dud. Graphically, soundwise, two player inclusion...all of that is fine. And I can even put up with the dodgy enemy designs. But IMO, the lack of challenge in this game just kills it for me....and with a second player onboard, it makes the game that much easier....and boring too. Great video presentation all around though, Top Hat.
I live in the Netherlands and I think this game’s depiction is decently accurate , especially my current soon to be ghost town. Am disappointed enemies aren’t wearing clogs. At least the boss should’ve.
Seriously dude you have such great content. I don't know why you started to relie on click bait to get views? You have so much more to offer to get people to watch your videos. You don't need the click bait to get views man.
Love these classic games history series and all the info i did not know from some of my favourite games many years ago,i am waiting for the new Streets of rage i still think Streets of Rage 2 is the best .
Ohhh dude.... I know you were looking at the screen when you wrote and read the script, but Elias is one of the common roaming enemies.... He's the tall thin guy with sunglasses that carries a baton and wears a purple vest. The boss of the French stage is Freddie, who looks like he was designed off of Zangief.
No way. I'm a Capcom fan, but Streets Of Rage, specially SOR 2, is unbeatable. Best beat'em up for me. (Edit: and Konami's X-Men. But I find Cadillacs & Dinosaurs, Captain Commando and TMNT better than Final fight too.)
Funnily enough Holland does have mountains, but it does seem weird seeing them in a Holland section of a game. London here looks like Gotham City. Also love Chun Li sees all these dudes fighting, and thinks nah! not this time I'm eating!
No , Freddie looks like a slimmed down version of Zangief. Biff Slamkovich from Slam Masters is the the character SFIII'S ALEX is based on( who is in turned based on the late ECW wrestler MIKE AWESOME, HULK HOGAN, and KEVIN VON ERICH). Biff's name in Japan is actually Alex(ALEKSEI ZALAZOFF). Biff is a prototype version of Alex.
Having lived in Paris for almost 5 years, I had to laugh out at your remark about the city :) But yeah, accurate - awesome for visiting, but there are so many better places in France. (TBH, most metropolitan cities are like that. New York, Berlin, London, Amsterdam - I wouldn't want to live in either, but worth visiting for sure!)
I agree with you when it comes to the largest western metropolitan cities but go slightly smaller say Budapest for example, you get a better quality experience.
@@theflyingninja1 The metrics of "quality" in such contexts are entirely subjective and personal, there's nothing factual involved regardless of where you stand on it.
The ship stage looks like Kens stage from Street Fighter.... I think that they wanted you to know that.... that's way why it was stuck in one place for a minute
I know Chun-li's cameo is a nice easter-egg and all, but i really doubt she would stay quiet eating her food while all that beating is happening in the street right in front of her, lmao xD!
Final Fight 3 bro! I feel like if this game was made just ONE year later, it would have epic. In those days a game from Capcom from 1994 was a giant leap from something made in 1993. Even 1995 Final Fight 3 is proof of that.
Have you get considered doing a Video documentary on characters from Final Fight or Streets if Rage? For example, I'd pick MakI, because compared to her other cast mates from other FF titles, she and Hagar have the fewest!
I still think, playing both franchises today, that the FF series had more polish in some areas that people tend to take for granted because they loved the music of SOF or something. * I always thought the fighting on FF was more simple but kept the pacing good enough for you to stay committed (Arcade-style). SOF was trying to compete on consoles, so it got more complex gameplay people could attach themselves to and if you didn't harness this gameplay correctly: you'd notice how dependant it was in order to keep better pacing. * The music wasn't as good as SOF but it doesn't mean it was bad at all and all of these FF games shared a certain tone that made you recognize from where the music was coming from. * FF's presentation and the narrative were better, easier to follow and even the characters had enough personality on their own to out-live the game they came from (even the bosses and some of the individual thugs like Poison, Andore/Hugo, Eddie, Rolento, Sodom, etc). * The graphics are a stronger contender among both franchises. SOF had to push the boundaries of the Sega Genesis (which is an inferior console in capabilities than the SNES) to make that game pop cool even on screenshot magazines. Streets of Rage was mad colorful which only complimented more its jazzy tone. Capcom on the other hand, had big sprites, more detailed characters and some nicely detailed backgrounds (FF2 had a murky tone all over itself, which they corrected on FF3). Whenever I played both when I was younger: I always thought that SOF was like the "little brother" of FF because of this. Overall, even the game "feel" was also another thing that FF (being originally an Arcade game) always had right for me. Every hit sounded good, the sound effects even on the thugs' screams were satisfactory, Street Figther-esque bonus stages, the "map progression" at the beginning of every stage kept you psychologically hooked to a form of progression, the game over screens were fucking hilarious (and horrifying), etc... After seeing this video, I came to think that Capcom was more polishing their previous experience during FF2 times than actually competing with SOF (does anybody even remember how clunky the first SOF particularly was?). Also, Capcom was favoring the Genesis with Arcade ports rather than sticking the then Nintendo-exclusive Final Fight (they had the stranged Forgotten Worlds, an Arcade faithful Ghosts N' Goblins, a watered down but still faithful Punisher, the beloved Strider port, and even Street Fighter 2 Dash was first than Turbo on SNES as far as I can remember).
All those beautiful mountains in Holland. Colour is kinda accurate though, the painters here partly became famous because of our landscape and the colour of our skies. I did not like this game so much, the reason was it was too cartoony. The original FF had an 80s vibe and was kinda realistic in the movie kind of sense of that era.
Oh my God, I never realized what the text says at the beginning of Final Fight 2..."Haggar went back to rule Metro City as mayor..." No, Japan, that's not how that works. ;) Actually I have a question for you Mr. Top Hat Gaming Man. I myself am a world traveler as well. For example, I have been to London a few times and I have heard people say antisocial behavior before but never had it explained. The knife attacks are fairly explanatory but using antisocial is interesting. I'm guessing it means crime other than stabbings? I myself live in the States and we use that terminology differently (I think) to describe....well, generally monsters (rapists, murderers, ect...). Further, I would like to add that your assessment of New York City is most assuredly correct. Once a shining beacon of freedom for the world (like London) it has become a veritable cesspit of mass proportions. I have never been more happy that I live in the South (it used to be different). Yes, we have crime like anywhere else but we do not have the rate of crime and our people are generally nice. I have a theory as to why this is but I don't want to turn your comments section into World War 3. ;)
Anti social behaviour are things like fighting, threatening people, being drunk and disorderly, disturbing the peace etc. Some times it can even take more minor forms such as letting your dog poo on the Street and not picking it up after yourself. Basically crimes that cause a nuisance to others. Offenders often get given ASBOs (Anti Social Behaviour Orders)- Court orders that can be obtained by local authorities in order to restrict the behaviour of a person likely to cause harm or distress to the public.
Props THGM, love your deep dives. To be fair, never played Final Fight 2, but visually I agree it looks like a graphical and aesthetic step back from the first one. Waaaay too much dithering and cramming in of character details. I don't know what Capcom was thinking in that regard. Too loud, too busy, but takes nothing away from how much I love the first Final Fight AND it's SNES/SegaCD ports.
Looking at these games today, I am kicking myself for not buying them new. They are very pricey today. Fortunately, both this and the third game are still available on the WIi U store. After playing both, I don't think either are worth more than the $7.00 that they cost. Streets of Rage 2 is on everything today and I own more digital versions that I care to count. I have no idea why I never bought it when it was young. In fact, I barely played it back in the day. Today, it is like a new game for me. Hallelujah!
Awesome 👏!!! Another great video top hat gaming man top 🎩! Thank you for this stuff - a great source of enjoyment during these times 😊! Also, great spotting of Chun-Li in the background of stage one😄! Too bad you unfortunately worded your description of a boss as “a clown in a top hat 🎩! A performer who is great fun punch in the face”! 🤐😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Final Fight 1 arcade is better than Streets of Rage 1 (though it still good). Sadly Final Fight 2 and 3 are not as good as any of the Streets of Rage games and Streets of Rage 4 looks to be the best of all if them (Final Fight 1 Arcade still is king though). Lol. On a side note; I love how your reference things "on the planet Earth" for when and where console war battles occurred.
I think the most important thing is to realize that the new Streets of Rage 4 is awesome and it would be great to get a new Final Fight game with similar level of investment and talent behind it.
I know he said Haggar is like Mayor Glen Jacobs because they are Mayor wrestlers, but is the character actually modeled after Don Frye or is the time frame off? I liked this game, but what I felt was a little lackluster was the amount of frames in the sprite animation.
This was fun to see and a nice piece of gaming history. It helped me realize there's nothing new under the sun. My main problem with the state of gaming now is the over reliance of graphics over gameplay, but I forgot Final Fight 2 is a proponent of this. That's why Streets of Rage 2 is so much better. The combat system of Streets of Rage 2 is second to none and one of the tightest of ANY beat em up in history. That's why Streets of Rage 2 is better than any Final Fight game. Gameplay>Graphics! Thanks for posting!
Fun fact: In the official canon/lore, FF2 takes place at the same time as Street Fighter Alpha 2 and Guy was after bison which is why he’s not in FF2.
That's awesome! It always bothered me that Guy wasn't in Final Fight 2 when the story greatly revolves around his family. This explanation goes a long way to rectifying Guy's missing presence in FF2.
@@mitchnissen7175 That man was not about to stop training for anything. "Sorry sensei and fiancee, gonna let y'all stay kidnapped while I 'train'. I'm sure my friends will take care of it."
Oh wow, never knew that!
@@silliwillivanilli & It's a Retcon that his Sensei is not Zeku.
@@silliwillivanilli I don't think the mad gear told guy his family was kidnapped. And I doubt maki or haggar could get in contact with him. This was long before cell phones and the internet.
The Real Mad gear twitter page:
@guy FF we just kidnapped your girl friend and dad. Come over here right now and fight us!!!
*Final Fight 2 is fun but Streets of Rage 2 is the best and the music is out-of-this-world!*
A Friend Yep. SOR2 is better and owns
Yes I thought I was going to be the only one to run to its defense.
For a long time there, Super Double Dragon IV was the best brawler for SNES. Regardless, Streets of Rage 2 for Sega Genesis still wins it.
@@NathanJennings1222 yeahhhh!
There is no "best". Only "favourite".
I just want to give a big thank you and shoutout to BIG DADDY TOP HAT, your upload schedule and quality has stayed consistent. You’ve been making this quarantine so much easier to get through and every time I see you’ve uploaded a video, life feels back to normal for just a moment.
Maki looking thicc in the thumbnail
@Jett Kasen No, I don’t think anyone asked or cares.
It's so funny...I only recently found your channel and went through the Streets of Rage Quadrilogy (including remake) and finished Final Fight. Couldn't find a video on Final Fight 2...but low and behold, you heard my prayers. YEAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Japanese versions are all uncensored. I can't stand the censored Western releases. Jaleco had a decent SNES brawler trilogy that's better on the Japanese releases, also.
@@TexasHollowEarth Rushing Beat/Brawl Brothers?
@@SteveAyanami YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAH
Streets of Rage and Cody from Final Fight and the game itself is inspired by a US film called "Streets of Fire", a flop in the US but a big hit in Japan.
Cody is not only based on Cody from the film but named after him as well.
Supposedly it is not. According to an interview. It's all just coincidence even tho there are very clear simalarities. On the other hand, except for the name cody, all the elements of it are common enough. In Double Dragon, they had similar things. And there's no wrestling mayor or Ninja in Streets of fire.
I’ve always had a real soft spot for Final Fight 2, I’ve even got the bootleg JAMMA board version of it, but it’s not a game loved by many. While it does fix all the things omitted from the FF1 port (scene transistors, 3 characters and two players) it’s very basic in terms of gameplay with little in the way of strategy or advanced techniques needed beyond simple button mashing.
Also, you have to wonder what sort of research Capcom did when they designed London. The trains are nothing like ones in the UK and the background looks more like Gotham City than London.
BulkSlash its a snes game not a jamma game ?!
Indeed. He’s lying.
While Final Fight 2 looked better than the first Streets of Rage it doesn't change that the characters have less range of moves and the game can't show more than three enemies on screen at the same time and that problem remained in Final Fight 3 minus a small section where they 'fixed' the problem with all the enemies being the same character.
Finally, Final Fight 2 and the first Streets of Rage portrait the main graphic differences between Super Nes and Megadrive. Super Nes graphics look better while Megadrive graphics move better, there were lots of exceptions of course but that was what happened in most games.
What do you mean by better? I see a common misconception that the colour palette meant better graphics rather than the actual sprites in games being better. also Streets Of Rage came out 2 years before Final Fight 2. When it comes down to it many games were developed for Snes then ported to Sega when if they were made for Sega from scratch they could and were often mainly better in fact in the cases where Sega games were ported to Snes the Sega versions were the superior ones, and when Snes games were ported to Sega the Snes version often looked better, the few times the Sega games looked worse was because of the devs used which is why 1st party games for both show a systems potential.
You missed Guile in the background at the end of stage two.
gipgap4, 😮 Whoa, I gotta check that out! Thanks 😊.
gipgap4 when you wanna point something out use a time stamp. Or don’t bother saying anything at all.
Oh, locofrazo, I thought I did.
Did you see my earlier comments?
If I missed anything, please let me know 👌.
Peace ✌️.
MatMadik I didn’t respond to you buddy. Did you read my comment?
Doesn’t say your name anywhere
locofrazo, oh 😆! Thanks 🙏🏾.
I always thought Mike Haggar was actually inspired by Jesse Ventura.
More like Don Frye
Not a bad thought but Haggar actually predated Ventura's political career.
For me je is inpired from Dan Severn Who was an incredible westler fighting in the first UFC's (first appearance at ufc 2 or 3 I think). .. same physical appearance than Haggart.... and the moustache 😉😉😁 lol
And I Forgot the same fighting style.... especialy his incredible suplex.... look his first ufc fight... it's really impressive !!
Haggar preceded the debut of the UFC, and jesse Ventura's governor run
Seriously, the problem with FF(2) graphics is not hardware, it's the style. Big sprites, yes, but super stiff and limited in animation. Backgrounds are colorful, but they feel like big cardboard cutouts.
They mentioned that in Consol wars. Sonic one had more fluid animation
If only Final Fight 2 & Final Fight 3 was redone in the style of the first Final Fight arcade with noticeable differences. The final boss in Final Fight 2 should be doing far more then in the SNES version.
Correction: The name of the second level boss is Freddie, NOT Elias (Elias is one of the normal goons who wields a baton)
Based on El Gado and Holly Wood sprite from part 1!
Yea Elias and Elliot. Most annoying of the goons. And Joe who threw the fire but were rare.
The GBA version of Final fight was amazing, had so many extras, and Double Dragon Advanced was awesome.
yeah i've been playing the gba version of final fight, it's way more fun than final fight 2 on snes. final fight 2 is one of the most boring beat em ups i've ever played.
Please compare Turtles Tournament Fighters (MD/SNES). Also compare Dragon The Bruce Lee Story. Would also love to see Batman Returns, Ninja Warriors on the SNES and Two Crude Dudes on the MD. 👊
SNES wins that battle lol
Always liked the music better on the Genesis version, but SNES owns gameplay wise
Haven't gone through the whole video yet, but now I am looking forward to a video on Final Fight 3 (or Final Fight Tough in some markets).
Yeah. He didn't mention the standard, heavy censorship that occurred with the Western releases of every single Final Fight game on SNES (same with the Streets of Rage series). I only play the Japanese versions of brawlers to avoid the censorship. Even the Jaleco brawler trilogy got butchered in the West.
@@TexasHollowEarth Surprisingly enough, there was no censorship in Final Fight 3, at least when it came to the female enemies. At least Capcom included the Japanese version of Final Fight as part of the Beat Em Up Bundle.
Final Fight 2 is my personal favorite in the series ( in part because I love Maki...her design, personality & playstyle just drew me in ). Can't wait for the inevitable Final Fight 3 history...and Mighty Final Fight, perhaps?
Final fight series on the Snes couldn't hold Streets of Rage games on the Megadrive's jock strap! SOR far superior in every way.
So here's what I think they should do. Release streets of rage 4, make Final Fight 4..then make a crossover game combining both final fight and streets of rage. Then i'll wait patiently for a new golden axe :P
Final Fight 4 would have Mayor Cody, Lucia, Zeku, & the Returning Mike Haggar on the Street & have Shadaloo as the Villians, since Both Abigail & Poison Retired as Mad Gear Goons & move on, & The Story is set during a Shadow Falls.
Man, I would've loved to hear the conversation between Haggar, Carlos, and Maki on their way to Japan. They literally flew from Hong Kong to Paris, then went around literally all of Europe, only to go to Japan, literally across the water from where they started. Imagine the money they spent pointlessly.
17:19 Final Fight 2 Japanese Version Mary And Eliza.
Actually SOR2 was kind of a technical marvel, because it was very difficult to do the down-right scrolling so smoothly, like in the first level, and SEGA pulled it off.
You can see Guile btw in the French Aiport.
Oh and my country is called Netherlands, not Holland
The thumbnail, man. That Goddam thumbnail with the panty shot!!! You wanted me to click 💥💣
Your comment is the one I was looking for.
Don't sleep on the rushing beat trilogy. Those games give streets of rage and final fight a run for it
River city ransom is still and will always be king
Their ports not so much, but the original ones are awesome.
Try the Rushing Beat series. I'm sure that would make for some fun videos.
Capcom should make a Final Fight remake game with its Alpha Graphics and tie in Easter eggs! That would be a dream come true!
There's already Final Fight One for the Gameboy Advance!!! Includes in-game dialogues and extra Alpha versions of Cody and Guy.
I was just about to say the same thing. They should remake the first game from the ground up but keep it 2d for the modern consoles.
Final Fight One is awesome I owned it when it came out on the GBA but it is more or less a port.
@@gustavoqueipo6168 ooooohhhh I gotta buy it!
Another game that ties in is Saturday Night Slam Masters. Any thought on doing a video on that?
10:51 SF3 looking extra crispy, makes me long for a HD remake of the original.
I love FF2, I understand the appeal for SOR series. But there’s something about roaming Eurasia, cool soundtrack, wacky villains.
9:02 The earliest downwards scrolling in a beat em up game I can remember was the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles arcade. Might be some earlier, I dunno.
I remember seeing that for the first time as a kid and being blown away. It's so silly now, the screen is just going down. 😄
Double Dragon II
Streets of Rage is the best beat 'em up series!
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@@io5644 The Statement is a true statement though.
I've been saying for a long time that Final Fight 2 basically exists to make up for the shortcomings of the original game's SNES ports.
1:02 HEY! Where's my "yeeeeeeeaaaaaah"?! lol I was waiting for it.
Yeahhhhhh. I had wondered too how he forgot that iconic sound?
The only game that I can even compare to Streets Of Rage 2 or put next to in comparison is Alien Vs Predator arcade game from Capcom. Don’t know if you have covered this beat’em up but in my opinion is definitely one of the best arcade beat’em up. Oh also Golden Axe the return of Death Adder I think is the title name from sega, is an incredible 4 player beat’em up that never made it to any home console like AVP.
That thumbnail makes me want to say yes. 😍
I hope you talk about Denjin Makai and Rushing Beat series sometime ^^
About this video I liked more the gameplay of SOR but my heart belongs to FF xD another thing is that again Capcom changed the girls for guys in Final Fight 2 cuz Mary and Eliza only appears in the Japanese version xD
I gave up on Final Fight pretty early on, that generation. I played Rival Turf and Brawl Brothers.
I think there was a third game but I never played it.
Third game is pretty boring. It has rolento as the final boss, but they renamed him "Black".
Third Final Fight is by far the best on the SNES. Third of the Rushing Beat series is called Peacekeepers
Even with Streets of Rage being inspired by Final Fight, and we can agree that Final Fight as such, especially the arcade version is still a tight game to play. But when Streets of Rage II arrived, Sega truly amped up everything to 11. So even Sega had trouble to top that off with their sequel. Final Fight 2 looks pale in comparison, kinda bloodless. I didn't even know this existed if it wasn't for bloody emulation.
13:16 Well, the Nothern Legue was in charge of the region, that's why Venice is so unkept both in the streets and in the lake.
The situation didn't change much nowadays, unless you can call a lame retractable sea wall to protect the city from high water level an imporvement.
Streets of Rage 1 is STILL better than Final fight 2. ESPECIALLY the music
The guys over at Console Wars proved that the SOR trilogy is superior.
Specially when you fight 5 enemies at the same time vs 3 on FF2.
Luu yeah the Console Wars channel is awesome, been watching them for a few yrs now
i can't wait for you to do a video about final fight 3
@ 4:40 Now that you remind me, *yes* Streets of Rage *was* really that good, Phantasy Star II though, was still better with like, an entire *year* of gameplay for me. Streets of Rage 2 was my "go to" console Fighting Game when i really didn't have one. :3
My 2nd favorite beat em up after final fight is "Cadillacs and Dinosaurs"
Can you make a video about it, it amazing
I played this game quite a bit and I always thought that it was boring. I noticed the new characters, Haggar's redesign, I really wanted to like Carlos and Maki but again they didn't do enough innovation to warrant me keeping the game in my library when I was a kid. The 2 player co-op, new locations, story, and bonus stages were cool but there were no new fight mechanics. Carlos only used his sword for his desperation move but he would pick up a 2x4 or glass bottle to fight, just why? Lackluster to say the least, SOR2 was WAY better IMO as well.
HANDS DOWN for me personally THIS IS my favourite all time when I first played it at 6 years old when i got older for me it was therapy for me, whenever i had a bad day or some other bullshit ill throw this on and whatever was bugging me was gone when i beat it i love this game so much that two.p is my favourite bad guy in the game his design just awesome lol i just play a round with hagger this evening lol im 34 and game still as good today, tommrow im gonna introduces my 11 year old daughter hopefully she get that experience i did but if not i got to play my favourite game with my daughter lol
Another great video! Please please please cover the Muscle Bomber/Saturday Night Slam Masters series???
Awesome video as usual! I was extremely disappointed with this game. Graphics and gameplay weren't much of an upgrade IMO, and with Streets of Rage out there, Capcom should have really upped the ante. But they didn't.
Lol that thumbnail!!! also Sor1 music alone is better than FF2
I enjoyed Final Fight 2 but doing this on Expert Difficulty is a pain in the ass.
Oh and I played Final Fight Guy and it feels more challenging than the original, especially when you do it in Expert.
I wouldnt mind if beat-em-ups were added to modern fighting games as a 1-4 player experience. Every time I see a final fighter in a street fighter game it always gets me.
Zoom the screen back and throw a few dozen thugs at em to make it even and let em hadouken and corkscrew blow to their heart's content
One of the complaints though i had forever regarding mike hagar is that we never saw him in a SF title,since street fighter & final fight shares the same universe-world! I was hoped to see the character in SFV but again they never worked him for this game also! Instead we have the character appearing in the most unsuitable game of all that was UMVC3! Also it would be nice to see a remastered-reworked version of a collection featuring the final fight 2-3 on their beat em up bundle,since the exclusivity wear off i believe after so many years they should include also those two games on their bundle making the collection even bigger!
I loved how roast turkey would pop out as health! First for this in 1993 for my snes
U forgot to say *'YEAH'* my friend 😊
I too prefer arcade Final Fight over Final Fight 2 on the SNES, and also agree that Streets of Rage 2 blows away its own predecessor, in addition to FF arcade, FF SNES, and this, FF2.
However, that all said, FF2 does lots of things right as you mentioned Top Hat, but the biggest drawback for me, isn't the ok graphics and uninspired enemy designs.
It's the challenge...or should I say lack thereof.
Honestly...even on its hardest setting, the enemy characters seem to mostly just 'stand around' while you beat on them and their buddies.
To me, this made the gameplay quite tedious and boring.
Beat'em ups by their nature can be repetitive, but when a good challenge is presented (such as arcade Final Fight, both of Sega's first two SOR games, and even SNES Final Fight), then it keeps the player on his/her toes, knowing if they aren't up to snuff with their finger speed and proper positioning onscreen, the enemies WILL overwhelm them and end their game!
This just doesn't happen in FF2. I've been known to look away from the screen while someone talks to me and while mashing on the attack button and clear a screen.
I've had NON gamers sit and play the game (on the hardest setting) and do pretty well without really knowing too much about the mechanics.
So that is why I will always consider Final Fight 2 a dud.
Graphically, soundwise, two player inclusion...all of that is fine. And I can even put up with the dodgy enemy designs.
But IMO, the lack of challenge in this game just kills it for me....and with a second player onboard, it makes the game that much easier....and boring too.
Great video presentation all around though, Top Hat.
10:50 no mention of Guile in the background at the Hanger?!
I live in the Netherlands and I think this game’s depiction is decently accurate , especially my current soon to be ghost town. Am disappointed enemies aren’t wearing clogs. At least the boss should’ve.
Seriously dude you have such great content. I don't know why you started to relie on click bait to get views? You have so much more to offer to get people to watch your videos. You don't need the click bait to get views man.
I always thought that Burning Fight was the FF2 game.
Love these classic games history series and all the info i did not know from some of my favourite games many years ago,i am waiting for the new Streets of rage i still think Streets of Rage 2 is the best .
I hope you cover final fight 3 and Mighty Final Fight
When I went to Paris I was required to fight my way through customs, so things haven't changed. The boss at the airport was a pain in the ass.
Ohhh dude.... I know you were looking at the screen when you wrote and read the script, but Elias is one of the common roaming enemies.... He's the tall thin guy with sunglasses that carries a baton and wears a purple vest. The boss of the French stage is Freddie, who looks like he was designed off of Zangief.
Yea Elias and Elliot. And Joe
If it hasn't been mentioned so far, you can see Guile in the background behind Elias at 10:49.
No way. I'm a Capcom fan, but Streets Of Rage, specially SOR 2, is unbeatable. Best beat'em up for me.
(Edit: and Konami's X-Men. But I find Cadillacs & Dinosaurs, Captain Commando and TMNT better than Final fight too.)
The final fight games where fun but not as good as the streets of rage games. Final fight cd was damn close though
Did anybody else notice he said Elias was the stage 2 boss, when it's actually Freddie?
IF you finish in EXPERT MODE you see Guy coming back in the final.
I personally prefer a Streets of Rage one and two even though I did have the super Nintendo final fight
I don't know what it is but I never really got into final fight the series. I love the Street of Rage series though.
Funnily enough Holland does have mountains, but it does seem weird seeing them in a Holland section of a game.
London here looks like Gotham City.
Also love Chun Li sees all these dudes fighting, and thinks nah! not this time I'm eating!
Love the mountains in the Holland stage, at least they got that right!
Level looks like it was ravaged by the bubonic plague.
Loved the narration. A 16:9 port would be appreciated.
No , Freddie looks like a slimmed down version of Zangief. Biff Slamkovich from Slam Masters is the the character SFIII'S ALEX is based on( who is in turned based on the late ECW wrestler MIKE AWESOME, HULK HOGAN, and KEVIN VON ERICH). Biff's name in Japan is actually Alex(ALEKSEI ZALAZOFF). Biff is a prototype version of Alex.
Having lived in Paris for almost 5 years, I had to laugh out at your remark about the city :) But yeah, accurate - awesome for visiting, but there are so many better places in France. (TBH, most metropolitan cities are like that. New York, Berlin, London, Amsterdam - I wouldn't want to live in either, but worth visiting for sure!)
I agree with you when it comes to the largest western metropolitan cities but go slightly smaller say Budapest for example, you get a better quality experience.
Sadly, Paris has lost a lot of what quality it has even back then, what with all the illegal migrants turning it into a city sized refugee camp.
@@TheDastard careful there hon, your prejudice is showing...
@@DiarrheaIsFun Just facts, mate.
@@theflyingninja1 The metrics of "quality" in such contexts are entirely subjective and personal, there's nothing factual involved regardless of where you stand on it.
The ship stage looks like Kens stage from Street Fighter.... I think that they wanted you to know that.... that's way why it was stuck in one place for a minute
what kills this game for me: max 3 enemies on screen (and it's really just 2 in çà% of the game)
I know Chun-li's cameo is a nice easter-egg and all, but i really doubt she would stay quiet eating her food while all that beating is happening in the street right in front of her, lmao xD!
She doesn't care, cuz it's not Shadaloo.
Love your videos!!! Thank you for this!😄❤
Final Fight 3 bro! I feel like if this game was made just ONE year later, it would have epic. In those days a game from Capcom from 1994 was a giant leap from something made in 1993. Even 1995 Final Fight 3 is proof of that.
For some weird reason, I've always prefered Mighty Final Fight (NES) over all SNES entries in the series 😅
Have you get considered doing a Video documentary on characters from Final Fight or Streets if Rage? For example, I'd pick MakI, because compared to her other cast mates from other FF titles, she and Hagar have the fewest!
i like how they gave Haggar the spinning air piledriver
Hold up are those goons based on André the giant
Yes, even though the developer says otherwise. But nobody buys that claim.
I still think, playing both franchises today, that the FF series had more polish in some areas that people tend to take for granted because they loved the music of SOF or something.
* I always thought the fighting on FF was more simple but kept the pacing good enough for you to stay committed (Arcade-style). SOF was trying to compete on consoles, so it got more complex gameplay people could attach themselves to and if you didn't harness this gameplay correctly: you'd notice how dependant it was in order to keep better pacing.
* The music wasn't as good as SOF but it doesn't mean it was bad at all and all of these FF games shared a certain tone that made you recognize from where the music was coming from.
* FF's presentation and the narrative were better, easier to follow and even the characters had enough personality on their own to out-live the game they came from (even the bosses and some of the individual thugs like Poison, Andore/Hugo, Eddie, Rolento, Sodom, etc).
* The graphics are a stronger contender among both franchises. SOF had to push the boundaries of the Sega Genesis (which is an inferior console in capabilities than the SNES) to make that game pop cool even on screenshot magazines. Streets of Rage was mad colorful which only complimented more its jazzy tone. Capcom on the other hand, had big sprites, more detailed characters and some nicely detailed backgrounds (FF2 had a murky tone all over itself, which they corrected on FF3). Whenever I played both when I was younger: I always thought that SOF was like the "little brother" of FF because of this.
Overall, even the game "feel" was also another thing that FF (being originally an Arcade game) always had right for me. Every hit sounded good, the sound effects even on the thugs' screams were satisfactory, Street Figther-esque bonus stages, the "map progression" at the beginning of every stage kept you psychologically hooked to a form of progression, the game over screens were fucking hilarious (and horrifying), etc...
After seeing this video, I came to think that Capcom was more polishing their previous experience during FF2 times than actually competing with SOF (does anybody even remember how clunky the first SOF particularly was?). Also, Capcom was favoring the Genesis with Arcade ports rather than sticking the then Nintendo-exclusive Final Fight (they had the stranged Forgotten Worlds, an Arcade faithful Ghosts N' Goblins, a watered down but still faithful Punisher, the beloved Strider port, and even Street Fighter 2 Dash was first than Turbo on SNES as far as I can remember).
All those beautiful mountains in Holland. Colour is kinda accurate though, the painters here partly became famous because of our landscape and the colour of our skies. I did not like this game so much, the reason was it was too cartoony. The original FF had an 80s vibe and was kinda realistic in the movie kind of sense of that era.
I just bought this on 3DS so this will be fun.
The daddy of TH-cam video content 🤗🤗🤗
Short answer: no.
Long answer: Ah hell naw
I like Streets of Rage cooperative attacks.
Oh my God, I never realized what the text says at the beginning of Final Fight 2..."Haggar went back to rule Metro City as mayor..." No, Japan, that's not how that works. ;)
Actually I have a question for you Mr. Top Hat Gaming Man. I myself am a world traveler as well. For example, I have been to London a few times and I have heard people say antisocial behavior before but never had it explained. The knife attacks are fairly explanatory but using antisocial is interesting. I'm guessing it means crime other than stabbings? I myself live in the States and we use that terminology differently (I think) to describe....well, generally monsters (rapists, murderers, ect...). Further, I would like to add that your assessment of New York City is most assuredly correct. Once a shining beacon of freedom for the world (like London) it has become a veritable cesspit of mass proportions.
I have never been more happy that I live in the South (it used to be different). Yes, we have crime like anywhere else but we do not have the rate of crime and our people are generally nice. I have a theory as to why this is but I don't want to turn your comments section into World War 3. ;)
Anti social behaviour are things like fighting, threatening people, being drunk and disorderly, disturbing the peace etc. Some times it can even take more minor forms such as letting your dog poo on the Street and not picking it up after yourself. Basically crimes that cause a nuisance to others.
Offenders often get given ASBOs (Anti Social Behaviour Orders)- Court orders that can be obtained by local authorities in order to restrict the behaviour of a person likely to cause harm or distress to the public.
Props THGM, love your deep dives. To be fair, never played Final Fight 2, but visually I agree it looks like a graphical and aesthetic step back from the first one. Waaaay too much dithering and cramming in of character details. I don't know what Capcom was thinking in that regard. Too loud, too busy, but takes nothing away from how much I love the first Final Fight AND it's SNES/SegaCD ports.
Looking at these games today, I am kicking myself for not buying them new. They are very pricey today. Fortunately, both this and the third game are still available on the WIi U store. After playing both, I don't think either are worth more than the $7.00 that they cost. Streets of Rage 2 is on everything today and I own more digital versions that I care to count. I have no idea why I never bought it when it was young. In fact, I barely played it back in the day. Today, it is like a new game for me. Hallelujah!
Nice thumbnail!!!
Awesome 👏!!! Another great video top hat gaming man top 🎩!
Thank you for this stuff - a great source of enjoyment during these times 😊!
Also, great spotting of Chun-Li in the background of stage one😄!
Too bad you unfortunately worded your description of a boss as “a clown in a top hat 🎩! A performer who is great fun punch in the face”! 🤐😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Final Fight 1 arcade is better than Streets of Rage 1 (though it still good). Sadly Final Fight 2 and 3 are not as good as any of the Streets of Rage games and Streets of Rage 4 looks to be the best of all if them (Final Fight 1 Arcade still is king though). Lol. On a side note; I love how your reference things "on the planet Earth" for when and where console war battles occurred.
I think the most important thing is to realize that the new Streets of Rage 4 is awesome and it would be great to get a new Final Fight game with similar level of investment and talent behind it.
Final Fight Arcade Final Fight CD for Sega CD/Mega CD Final Fight 2 and Final Fight 3 and I would recommend that's my Opinion.
He calls Final Fight an SNES exclusive. He either never heard of FF CD or left it out on purpose. Can't rewrite history man
i dont know if its me but I think Tifa from FF 7 was inspired by Blaze Fielding's design and look
I know he said Haggar is like Mayor Glen Jacobs because they are Mayor wrestlers, but is the character actually modeled after Don Frye or is the time frame off?
I liked this game, but what I felt was a little lackluster was the amount of frames in the sprite animation.
i respect the clickbait thumbnail
This was fun to see and a nice piece of gaming history. It helped me realize there's nothing new under the sun. My main problem with the state of gaming now is the over reliance of graphics over gameplay, but I forgot Final Fight 2 is a proponent of this. That's why Streets of Rage 2 is so much better. The combat system of Streets of Rage 2 is second to none and one of the tightest of ANY beat em up in history. That's why Streets of Rage 2 is better than any Final Fight game. Gameplay>Graphics! Thanks for posting!