You explain the theory really well which makes it seem way more realistic like i believed it before but it’s like more solid now with what you showed us
about the whole 3 flowers on manons overalls being lilax, cerise, and iris... i think this definetly points to this theory being true because REMEMBER WHAT THOMAS SAID GUYS, " THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES IN MIRACULOUS"!!!!!! also manon was in the pilot episode, which is the most important episode of any tv show.. so like....
AND SEE HOW SHE SAYS SHE WANNA BE A FASHION DESIGNER ASWELL and also says "ik ladybug is Ur bestfriend" so maybe she has some beef with ladybug in future that's why she hates marinate aswell
That explains why Lila had no problem in crushing on Adrien since in Puppeteer 2, Marinette reassures her that she is not in love with him. Also in the episode Prime Queen we see that Nadia hits prime time which probably is what causes her to spend less time with Manon as Marinette and Alya had to babysit her the way she wants to babysit her friends Chris and the twins, and use the miraculous to play with them. She went to the past to relive her childhood life and play with her friends, like a lost doll.
there are also other evidences: 1) Both in the episode "Puppeteer 1" and in the episode "Revelation" Alya is controlled by the akumatized villain of the episode itself and both times she tries to take Ladybug's miraculous from Marinette's house. 2) In both the episode "Volpina" and the episode "The Puppeteer 2" the akumatized villain creates a false copy of Hawk-Moth. 3) In the episode “Prime Queen” (in which Manon's mother is akumatized) the akumatized person often refers to being obsessed by a revelation from Ladybug and Chat Noir (so much so that in the first seconds of the episode Tikky is worried about this revelation, exclaiming "Sizzling hot revelations?"), and the episode in which Lila is akumatized into Hoaxer is actually called "Revelation" (not to mention that both Hoaxer and Audimatrix powers have a journalist modus operandi ) 4) In the episode “Gamer 2.0.”, in which the akumatized villains clash with each other, Ladybug decides to have Evillustrator fight against Volpina, exclaiming “this is something I've always wanted to do” and thus letting it shine through in Ladybug a desire for revenge. Obviously at the time we all took it for granted that he had done it to take revenge against Lila (and in fact that's probably the case). However, if we interpret this as a clue from the animators of the series, then we will remember that in the past Manon, when she was akumatized into the Puppeteer, controlled Evillustrator against Ladybug. This gives even more sense to Ladybug's desire for revenge, which in the episode "Gamer 2.0" would therefore have practically repaid Manon/Lila with the same coin: Does the puppeteer control Evillustrator against Ladybug? Great, then Ladybug controls Evillustrator against Volpina. (it's clear that it can't be intentional because Ladybug doesn't know that Manon is Lila, but as I already said it could be a clue) 5) Lila, as the puppeteer, controls Roger Raincoprix in the episode “Hoaxer”. Now you will think "but it doesn't mean anything, because Hoaxer controls practically all of Paris" yes, but Ladybug and Chat Noir take away the alliance ring that Hoaxer uses to control people from Roger first in the episode, thus turning on the TV screen of whoever was watching Miraculous at the time paid primary attention to Roger. Not to mention that in the episode "Confrontation" Lila threatens Sabrina that she can have her father arrest her, and therefore manipulate him as Manon / The Puppeter did with Rogercop. 6) There is also a "Hoaxer-Robostus 2-Puppeteer 2" connection, because Robostus 2 and hoaxer not only share the appearance of Scarabella in their respective episodes, but also both use technology to control people while remaining covered until the end of the episode, (in addition to both having a red design) and in the last minutes of the episode in which Robostus 2 is still akumatized he takes the 2 heroes to the Grévin museum, exactly the same place where Puppeteer 2 faces Ladybug and Chat Noir. 7) In the episode “Gamer 2.0” in the playable characters screen, the Puppeteer and Volpina are next to each other. 8) In the episode “Onichan” Onichan uses his powers to make Lila sprout a horn on her forehead that grows every time Lila tells a lie. In the episode “Stormy Weather”, however, when Manon says to Alya “and who are you?” Alya replies “I'm a mythical unicorn from the world of Reespa, disguised as a totally fabulous human girl! " which could be a foreshadowing for Lila and an influence towards Manon, in fact if we associate the concept of "unicorn" with the concept of "lying" and translate Alya's sentence we can obtain "I am a liar disguised as a totally sincere human girl" which It fits Lila's character perfectly. 9) In the episode “Stormy Weather” Alya, while the firefighters are saving her and Manon from the ice cage around the rides, tells a story about a cyclops and a princess to Manon, specifically stating “As soon as she took a bite of the cursed potato, the poor princess fell into a deep, deep sleep.” which is reminiscent of the power of Chameleon, the akumatized version of Lila in the first episode of the third season. 10) Lila has 3 different mothers but none of these are the real ones. 11) In the episode “Hoaxer” Lila and Nadia (Manon's mother) are taking lessons from Sabine in the art room while making a painting next to each other. The fact is that Lila gives a speech to her classmates in the art room about how grateful she is to have friends like them, in particular she tells Sabine "you are like a mother to me" at the exact moment when Lila is turned away towards Nadia. 12) Chris and Manon have been friends since they were children. Time-tagger (who is Chris from the future) in the original trans-script of the episode states that the Hawk-Moth from the future is the woman he loves, and the Hawk-Moth of the future is Lila. 13) The flowers on Manon's overalls are Lila, Cerise and Iris. (all Lila's alter egos. 14) In both the episode "Stormy Weather" and the episode "Onichan" Adrien is given a kiss on the cheek (in "Stormy Weather" by Manon and in "Onichan" by Lila) 15) Both Lila and Manon have been in the backseat of the Agreste family's car (in the episodes "Onichan" and "The Puppeteer 2") 16) Since the episode "Stormy Weather" Marinette has been unable to make a photo book with Adrien because of Manon because the photographer actually chooses Manon. This could be a foreshadowing for the fact that Lila often comes between Marinette and Adrien. 17) Lila may have become what she is due to the lack of attention from her mother Nadia, who as we know spends more time in the television studio than with her daughter. 18) In the episode “Mayura” Prime-Queen (Manon's akumatized mother) is the first akumatized villain who appears in the episode, and Volpina (akumized Lila) is the last akumatized villain of the episode.
Manon is French 🇫🇷 Lila is Italian 🇮🇹, even her False identities refer to Italian flag Lila Rossi (Red ) Cerise Bianka (White) Iris Verdi (Green) Manon is Mixed race,her skin is Darker Definitely Not the same person
So what I think is that Lila could potentially be a cousin to Manon or at least an alternate version of Manon, and what I don't know for the entire thing of what she's wanting with a wish, but it has to be something incredibly drastic, maybe she wants to get rid of the Miraculous Jewels completely or she wants to become someone extremely powerful like The Supreme.
In the timetagger episode bunnix was like listing the villians the new hawkmoth does, one of them were some twins and if you look closely they have the same crowns as alyas little sisters have on their clothes!!
About her being blonde, I don't think it is her og appearance rather if you remember Lila calls the principal for admission and I think this is the disguise she will be using in school.
My main problem is how would Lila even manage to get into the past and do everything. Time Tagger when was defeated, had everything reverted back to normal, including everyone who was sent to the past. Meaning she wouldn’t have been able to do anything and the ladybugs would’ve brought her back to the future. I think instead, she’s a long lost sister to Mennon. An unwanted child that got abandoned and was constantly put into foster care and would end up having multiple mothers throughout her life. She can easily create multiple identities and personalities through the hatred she holds from not knowing who is her real parents. Seeing that she wants absolute power over others, we know for a fact she will fail at getting the miraculous up until all wielders are above 20..
Lila could very well use time travel as an advantage to get a hold of the miraculous’. Just like with time tagger, his whole purpose was to steal the miraculous’ and take them back into the future. Why akumatize someone to take the miraculous’ for yourself and travel back in time? Bunnix would be a fool to not notice for five seasons someone from the future is in the present time. Also, Manon wouldn’t be a woman 10 years from now. Chris could very well have a crush. There’s just too many reasons why it wouldn’t make for a good story. From a time travel perspective and from a character perspective. Then again, any fan theories/concepts come true.
Tbh I liked the cent adrien theory bc of I liked that idea and how many conflicts and interesting story but the Lila is man on theory just feels so random and it’s like why??? I really do hope they don’t go through with this
@@AimFlash2506 yeah the sentimonster theory makes more sense when you consider that Adrien’s mom died and it gives a good motive for Gabriel. Idk how was she sent to the past an Bunnix didn’t do anything about it.
@@Marixchatt exactly and honestly let’s be real if that was it it would also kill all the mystery behind Lila as a character and one thing that made lila her was that we knew nothing about her and how she is tied to the miraculous if the answer was she was simply a time traveling man on then that just kills all the possibilities they could’ve done with her character
But the biggest question is that if Lila is manon then why would she hate on mari since ofc theor are some times when the argued but mari and manon was always shown as attached in the series maybe in the future they have an argument which leads to this
My best bet if the Lila is Manon theory is true would be that after Nadia got promoted to Prime Time, she got really busy with work and needed Marinette to babysit Manon more. And Manon, like any child would, got angry or sad about her mom not spending time with her and ended up associating Marinette with those negative feelings.
What if Lila’s motive is that in puppeteer Marinette never let her win and that’s why she hates her so much and that’s why she wants the villains to win
Me personally I don’t think they r the same person. It js doesn’t feel right that their their the same. Maybe their simalour but I don’t see it. But that is a rly good theory.
If the theory is true then Maybe lila's motive is to be loved cause because of manon always being left out by nadia, In the series their is another similarity between them which is that they both like attention. lila lies to get attention by everyone and manon also is shown to want attention by mari in the episode stormy weather I think the episode showed that manon wanted to see mari and asked about her to both ladybug and alya.
I think the reason she was hitting on Adrien is just part of the plan to get closer to the miraculous stuff and Gabriel Agreste, like, she KNEW about the book cause as soon as she saw it she stole it, she KNEW how to decode it cause she was able to learn about not only the holder's name but their powers and abilities, that should be proof that at some point in time she learned how to do so and then maybe time-traveled back to make the process faster Tbf, before this video, that theory sounded stupid and uninteresting, but with all this proof it makes so much sense Also, the whole "babysitting" may just be a plan to make those kids closer to Mannon, so her future self would have them as allies Put like that is sounds interesting af, but sadly I've lost all hope for miraculous writers to make things good so, idk
I think this theory is in fact......... interesting. I won't deny that the evidence isn't strong.like the flowers thing, eye and hair colour, puppeteer being manipulative like Lila Rossi, Nadia on her board, Marinette the person Lila hates the most being her babysitter, all are solid evidence. However, this theory worsens some characters, and makes the show way too dark and it creates plot holes. First: How? How did Manon travel in time back to the present and more importantly why? The first thing we can say that it might be Timetagger. We see that Timetagger does like Lila and plus Lila is babysitting Chris. This does make sense that Lila would akumatise him but this just makes the show dark, we'll get to that later. It can't be Rabbit miraculous cuz how is she gonna get to her. How will she know that Alix is the owner? Ok maybe but then in Simpleman we see thst Manon is holding Fluff which would make her know that Marinette was the guardian. For more debunks, u can see the Haze Clarke's video where she debunks this theory. Now let me say how the show is going to be way too dark. Well, Lila does grow up to be a very manipulative psychopathic liar having a secret lair, multiple identities and multiple mothers. We don't know what age she is either. Somewhere , she disguises herself as a student and somewhere as a teacher ( in confrontation maybe) which if we believe is her true age then she is a p£do💀 because she hits on Adrien and even kisses him. If Manon is Lila, then Nadia has to be the worst mother even worse than Audrey. How the hell would she raise such a psychopath and Marinette has to be a bad babysitter then. It is way too dark that Chris is manipulated by Lila at such a young age and it is creepy. We also only see her do that one time after that Lila is exposed. And why would Nino let his brother get that bad to associate himself with such a bad person. The timetagger scene was deleted for a reason because it's creepy and immoral. Lila can literally give us multiple reasons to call the police 💀. In timetagger, we also see that Alix behaves normally to Chris. This means that nobody knows about him liking the future Hawkmoth. So is he a secret agent? This theory is wild for sure💀. Imagine looking at a psychotic and manipulative liar and thinking that it must be the 7 yr old child we saw 10 episodes ago.💀 But it is mlb so anything can happen. This gives me deja vu of Senti Adrien. It is also dark and a bit creepy that Gabe controls his own son, so idk thay might make it happen. But i will lose respect for this show . After the London Special, mlb has to upgrade not degrade.
OMG!!!!! The Chris thing made sense because she knows a lot of things like that Gabriel was hawk moth and her having a revenge plan against ladybug and hating her
the theory makes sense because if manon and lila were the same person it explains how lila always knows everything about marinette and how to manipulate her due to manon literally doing the same thing also the fact that lilas akumatized form volpina is the copy of alya and in the video theres a theory alyas little sisters are her allys it could explain the connection between her copying rena rouge's identity
Hey Mariah! Love your video and voice overs to pieces❤ A video suggestion: 1. Ranking all miraculous seasons 2. More Voice overs 3. Ranking all your favourite charcters (Maybe males and females canve separate or together) Love your videos!❤
I heard this theory ages ago and thought it was dumb but now seeing everything else in hindsight it is a really good theory but definitely the scene where she baby sits herself would be a bit of a loophole/paradox
I always assumed back when I cared about this show that Lila had three mothers was because she's in foster care and she's just cycling through different families.
3:59 call me crazy but in season 2 episode 10 there was a Manon with blond hair and green eyes 👀👀 just saying maybe she's done this/does this because of something
Hey there here is a little detail you missed-Lila/cerise/iris has three friendship bracelets: probably from Chris and the alya's twin sisters. also the three bracelets match her three attires green and red- symbolizes Lila who has green eyes and red coat brown and purple: cerise who has brown eyes and purple shirt blue and yellow: blue eyes and blonde hair (her recent disguise in the miraculous London special)
I feel like the news reporter(I forgot her name) is Lila’s mom BUT she put Lila in an adoption center so that like explains like why Lila hates her or something and why Lila has so many moms . and that’s my her and manon look at like and have the flowers on her overalls cuz they are related in so way it’s because they are sisters/ half sisters Idk if this is readable or understandable😭😭☺️☺️😙😙
Check season 2 episode 10 manon is shown with different colored hair and a different mum. Lila could be manon doing this for years ever since she was a kid . Its just a hunch
I find this theory really silly, although as someone who made a theory about how lila might indoctrinate the kid characters in future seasons, i find the fact that a connection can be drawn between these 2 very interesting
If this theory is true, then this might be one of the writing crew's most clever story elements (keywords: "most clever") ever written in the show. Either that, or one of the craziest story elements implemented. At least it's several leagues better than the possibility of Lila being an adult supervillainess.
It's just a theory guys, the creator didn't confirm anything about lie-la and manon, so there's a possibility they are related or not cause we never see them in the same frame
i do agree with this theory, the outwit in the london special was not her real look , she was wearing that in case she was de-evilised , and no one would know that it’s lila which is why i think cerise is her real look , because we also see her take the lila wig off revealing the cerise hair , and i doubt it was a wig under a wig . all i wanna now is what reason manon has for this ? why did she come back in time? manon isn’t really shown to have a hatred for ladybug or seen to be a bad person
I mean... it sounds bizarre, but it's the exact Miraculous Ladybug level of bizarre. Remember Senti-Adrien theory? One of the smaller evidences could be how the first season opens up with Manon being a big part of the first episode and ends up with Lila as an akumatized villain in the finale. Also a lot of the first episode she spends with ALYA, a FOX HERO and her akumatized form is A FOX PRETEND HERO. If it turns out to be true I wonder if it's a genius masterplan set by the creators or a coincidence they just went along with because why not or the fandom. The show makes it hard to tell.
Believe cause the blonde woman has the same smirk with Lila and I saw theory of were there was the same woman who has the same blonde hair who can travel time so maybe Lila also worked with hakmoth in the future and got akumatised so that she can go to the past wow so much evidence
Unpopular opinion, Alya was not a good friend to Marinette when it comes to Lila. First of all whenever Marinette says that she's a liar blah blah blah, alya just goes "your just jealous cuz you want adrien" IF YOUR REALLY BESTFRIENDS THEN BELIEVE HER? ARE YOU JUST GONNA TAKE A RANDOM PERSONS SIDE?? AND THERES SO MUCH MORE!
The main issue I have with this theory is Lila’s hatred of Marinette…. I’m not sure I buy it unless somewhere along the way she feels Marinette also abandoned her as a babysitter
Tbh, in my opinion, it feels like it doesn't make much sense? Like ngl, Manon and Lila are very different people, different races, etc etc. But knowing how this show is going, they might make it true just like how they made that "Adrien is a Sentimonster" theory true despite Adrien getting hit with Cataclysm a long time ago and not going berserk.
@@falconanddragons2214Miraculer powers dont work the same way as the original holders. Think about the lucky charm giving a literal sword instead of an item that she can rely to win the battle.
@@AbedulTG There is no proof is doesn't work the same way as the original holders as it still did give those random objects. Furthermore, Nightmare ladybug was given a giant sword for battle, and Ladybug later used that exact same sword to cast Miraculous Ladybug.
I get the feeling that the writers will see people making this theory because they've been doing it for about a year or two now so maybe they'll see this and they'll add it to the show or debunk it somehow at some point but it will be cool if this was the actual theory now how Lila's has three four moms somehow was the biggest mystery her motivation been being shown in the show somewhere I hope that's some good foreshadowing that we haven't seen cuz I don't know what it is either I am really looking forward to seeing what we're going to get with her from the next maybe four seasons of since we're getting season 10 now I mean originally this show was just supposed to be five seasons them adding on another twist villain kind of makes sense for the story and what we're going to be experiencing going forward I just wish it was a different power she was using like they could have had it where she found another miraculous that could copy other miraculous users powers or something instead of just being the butterfly miraculous all over again let us see what other people would do with the miraculous Powers if they evil and had the power full-time unlike Gabriel who didn't really use all of the powers like he should have like if I was Gabriel and I had the power of the dragon I would have just been spamming storms all over Paris left and right so ladybug cat noir game up Bringing dinosaurs and different multi-dimensional creatures to Paris to mess everything up left and right Gabriel did not use the miraculouses to their full extent and power he was just stupid if Lila is as smart as we're supposed to believe I would love to see her with all the miraculouses in her hand using them to do crazy stuff I won't be shocked if at some point maybe even by Midway through the season 6 or Taurus the end of season 6 she gets all the miraculouses like Gabriel did cuz she had the cat and the miraculous ladybug miraculous for less than a few hours after getting the butterfly miraculous she made a wish that ended not just like the future but like all the time itself I'm wondering what type of wish she could have made that was so devastating and white time out completely like who is that smart There is the theory that one TH-camr and a few other people I've seen have come up with where there's this secret kwamei call Noel and it wants to in reality itself maybe something happened at some point and Lila learned about this kwame and she's been slowly trying to get her way to it and her just being famous and wanting attention is something she wants before she ends everything since she couldn't get the complete attention she truly desired at some point maybe I'm thinking that it could be maybe Lila wants marinette's life play marionette has everything she wants she knows famous people she has a famous boyfriend she has loving parents she's talented smart she's pulled at least six people in the show who's wanted to date her Marinette is everything Lila is pretending to be so he could be if this theory is true and maybe little no no red marinette's diary cuz she does not have that thing well she could have read the diary learned the truth about everything somehow prime travel at some point and maybe she set things up so she can have three several different parents and that's how she's getting away with all this now is cerise I don't think any of the three moms we've seen know about her at all they know her as Lila with that broke ass wig she had on So now I'm thinking that Lila is just going to completely disappear in the three moms are going to be looking for her next season cuz I believe next season is set during the next school year when everyone's in high school or maybe it's more of a time jump than we think and it's a little further in like maybe halfway through the school year or maybe the following school year after that What this is a good theory it is kind of dumb but you could see how it could become a real thing especially with all the hints we got at Adrian being sent to monster in the first few seasons I'm going to be honest I don't think that was originally something they were going to put in the show I think they saw how popular the theory was back around season 2 through 3 and they ran with it in the writer's room But everything they did for it and the setup was really good I kind of hope this theory is true now because I get the feeling anything they give us later on with just disappoint me now 😅
I would just like to point out with the three mom's things that one one of them was never confirmed to be her mom and two, this could all be explained through either one of the moms looking more presentable in front of important people or maybe her Bio mom and Bio dad got divorced and remarried with her bio mom being queer which seems more likely than her manipulating them
I have a crazy theory. What if Cerise used her butterfly powers to akumatize someone to get herself the bunny miraculous and use it to take her younger self (Manon) into her time, or Manon uses the bunny miraculous to take her future self (Cerise) into her time.
What do you think of this theory?
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Like it’s not even funny ithey are too similar
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I think it’s true fr she’s so weird and has so many personalities it seems likely
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You explain the theory really well which makes it seem way more realistic like i believed it before but it’s like more solid now with what you showed us
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about the whole 3 flowers on manons overalls being lilax, cerise, and iris... i think this definetly points to this theory being true because REMEMBER WHAT THOMAS SAID GUYS, " THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES IN MIRACULOUS"!!!!!! also manon was in the pilot episode, which is the most important episode of any tv show.. so like....
What is a pilot episode?
@@bjksuk the first episode of a series that airs, hence the name "pilot episode" . Season 1 episode 1
@ OHH thank you.
AND SEE HOW SHE SAYS SHE WANNA BE A FASHION DESIGNER ASWELL and also says "ik ladybug is Ur bestfriend" so maybe she has some beef with ladybug in future that's why she hates marinate aswell
The creators knew what they were doing calling her LIE-la😂
That explains why Lila had no problem in crushing on Adrien since in Puppeteer 2, Marinette reassures her that she is not in love with him. Also in the episode Prime Queen we see that Nadia hits prime time which probably is what causes her to spend less time with Manon as Marinette and Alya had to babysit her the way she wants to babysit her friends Chris and the twins, and use the miraculous to play with them. She went to the past to relive her childhood life and play with her friends, like a lost doll.
Awwww :(
it felt like u had a personal VENDETTA against manon when you called her "moron" 😭
I do.
@@utterlychloe technically lila did trick Sabine too
there are also other evidences:
1) Both in the episode "Puppeteer 1" and in the episode "Revelation" Alya is controlled by the akumatized villain of the episode itself and both times she tries to take Ladybug's miraculous from Marinette's house.
2) In both the episode "Volpina" and the episode "The Puppeteer 2" the akumatized villain creates a false copy of Hawk-Moth.
3) In the episode “Prime Queen” (in which Manon's mother is akumatized) the akumatized person often refers to being obsessed by a revelation from Ladybug and Chat Noir (so much so that in the first seconds of the episode Tikky is worried about this revelation, exclaiming "Sizzling hot revelations?"), and the episode in which Lila is akumatized into Hoaxer is actually called "Revelation" (not to mention that both Hoaxer and Audimatrix powers have a journalist modus operandi )
4) In the episode “Gamer 2.0.”, in which the akumatized villains clash with each other, Ladybug decides to have Evillustrator fight against Volpina, exclaiming “this is something I've always wanted to do” and thus letting it shine through in Ladybug a desire for revenge. Obviously at the time we all took it for granted that he had done it to take revenge against Lila (and in fact that's probably the case). However, if we interpret this as a clue from the animators of the series, then we will remember that in the past Manon, when she was akumatized into the Puppeteer, controlled Evillustrator against Ladybug. This gives even more sense to Ladybug's desire for revenge, which in the episode "Gamer 2.0" would therefore have practically repaid Manon/Lila with the same coin: Does the puppeteer control Evillustrator against Ladybug? Great, then Ladybug controls Evillustrator against Volpina. (it's clear that it can't be intentional because Ladybug doesn't know that Manon is Lila, but as I already said it could be a clue)
5) Lila, as the puppeteer, controls Roger Raincoprix in the episode “Hoaxer”. Now you will think "but it doesn't mean anything, because Hoaxer controls practically all of Paris" yes, but Ladybug and Chat Noir take away the alliance ring that Hoaxer uses to control people from Roger first in the episode, thus turning on the TV screen of whoever was watching Miraculous at the time paid primary attention to Roger. Not to mention that in the episode "Confrontation" Lila threatens Sabrina that she can have her father arrest her, and therefore manipulate him as Manon / The Puppeter did with Rogercop.
6) There is also a "Hoaxer-Robostus 2-Puppeteer 2" connection, because Robostus 2 and hoaxer not only share the appearance of Scarabella in their respective episodes, but also both use technology to control people while remaining covered until the end of the episode, (in addition to both having a red design) and in the last minutes of the episode in which Robostus 2 is still akumatized he takes the 2 heroes to the Grévin museum, exactly the same place where Puppeteer 2 faces Ladybug and Chat Noir.
7) In the episode “Gamer 2.0” in the playable characters screen, the Puppeteer and Volpina are next to each other.
8) In the episode “Onichan” Onichan uses his powers to make Lila sprout a horn on her forehead that grows every time Lila tells a lie. In the episode “Stormy Weather”, however, when Manon says to Alya “and who are you?” Alya replies “I'm a mythical unicorn from the world of Reespa, disguised as a totally fabulous human girl! " which could be a foreshadowing for Lila and an influence towards Manon, in fact if we associate the concept of "unicorn" with the concept of "lying" and translate Alya's sentence we can obtain "I am a liar disguised as a totally sincere human girl" which It fits Lila's character perfectly.
9) In the episode “Stormy Weather” Alya, while the firefighters are saving her and Manon from the ice cage around the rides, tells a story about a cyclops and a princess to Manon, specifically stating “As soon as she took a bite of the cursed potato, the poor princess fell into a deep, deep sleep.” which is reminiscent of the power of Chameleon, the akumatized version of Lila in the first episode of the third season.
10) Lila has 3 different mothers but none of these are the real ones.
11) In the episode “Hoaxer” Lila and Nadia (Manon's mother) are taking lessons from Sabine in the art room while making a painting next to each other. The fact is that Lila gives a speech to her classmates in the art room about how grateful she is to have friends like them, in particular she tells Sabine "you are like a mother to me" at the exact moment when Lila is turned away towards Nadia.
12) Chris and Manon have been friends since they were children. Time-tagger (who is Chris from the future) in the original trans-script of the episode states that the Hawk-Moth from the future is the woman he loves, and the Hawk-Moth of the future is Lila.
13) The flowers on Manon's overalls are Lila, Cerise and Iris. (all Lila's alter egos.
14) In both the episode "Stormy Weather" and the episode "Onichan" Adrien is given a kiss on the cheek (in "Stormy Weather" by Manon and in "Onichan" by Lila)
15) Both Lila and Manon have been in the backseat of the Agreste family's car (in the episodes "Onichan" and "The Puppeteer 2")
16) Since the episode "Stormy Weather" Marinette has been unable to make a photo book with Adrien because of Manon because the photographer actually chooses Manon. This could be a foreshadowing for the fact that Lila often comes between Marinette and Adrien.
17) Lila may have become what she is due to the lack of attention from her mother Nadia, who as we know spends more time in the television studio than with her daughter.
18) In the episode “Mayura” Prime-Queen (Manon's akumatized mother) is the first akumatized villain who appears in the episode, and Volpina (akumized Lila) is the last akumatized villain of the episode.
damn. that's impressive
You deserve more likes for typing this all out 💯
@Cookie_girl633 ahahah thanks, I hope this theory arrives to Thomas Astruc or some of those famous youtubers which talk about miraculous
The reson she's blond is so if ladybug defets her and de akumatises her she wouldn't recognize her
That's my theory btw
Maybe that's the disguise she will be using in the school if you remember in the finale episode we see Lila calling the principal for admission.😮
Season 2 episode 10 Manon is blonde!!!! With a different mum. This could be a thing lila had been doing ever since she was a child
@@Travelwith_mjmw i think the animators are just too lazy to create a new model for a civilian child in the show
@Travelwith_mjmw It could be!! 😮 who knows but that could be animators saving time??? Who knows 🤔
Am I the only one who loves Lila? Cause she makes the show interesting and she’s such a good antagonist
Same here she’s one of my favs cuz of how interesting she is
She is a Pathetic liar
She propably have Mythomania also know as Pathological lying
At this point it's not even cute little lies anymore she's an actual villain now
It’s the flowers on manons costume for me… that is NOT a coincidence
Real
Manon is French 🇫🇷
Lila is Italian 🇮🇹, even her False identities refer to Italian flag
Lila Rossi (Red )
Cerise Bianka (White)
Iris Verdi (Green)
Manon is Mixed race,her skin is Darker
Definitely Not the same person
0:01 WE LOVE THE SLAY INTRO
It’s hard to believe but I think it does make sense because of the hair and eyes
So what I think is that Lila could potentially be a cousin to Manon or at least an alternate version of Manon, and what I don't know for the entire thing of what she's wanting with a wish, but it has to be something incredibly drastic, maybe she wants to get rid of the Miraculous Jewels completely or she wants to become someone extremely powerful like The Supreme.
In the timetagger episode bunnix was like listing the villians the new hawkmoth does, one of them were some twins and if you look closely they have the same crowns as alyas little sisters have on their clothes!!
I NEVER REALIZED THAT
About her being blonde, I don't think it is her og appearance rather if you remember Lila calls the principal for admission and I think this is the disguise she will be using in school.
My main problem is how would Lila even manage to get into the past and do everything. Time Tagger when was defeated, had everything reverted back to normal, including everyone who was sent to the past. Meaning she wouldn’t have been able to do anything and the ladybugs would’ve brought her back to the future. I think instead, she’s a long lost sister to Mennon. An unwanted child that got abandoned and was constantly put into foster care and would end up having multiple mothers throughout her life. She can easily create multiple identities and personalities through the hatred she holds from not knowing who is her real parents. Seeing that she wants absolute power over others, we know for a fact she will fail at getting the miraculous up until all wielders are above 20..
7:05 yeah bro that's what I think would happen lmao they're gonna see this and make it a reality despite the plot holes it has
Lila could very well use time travel as an advantage to get a hold of the miraculous’. Just like with time tagger, his whole purpose was to steal the miraculous’ and take them back into the future. Why akumatize someone to take the miraculous’ for yourself and travel back in time? Bunnix would be a fool to not notice for five seasons someone from the future is in the present time. Also, Manon wouldn’t be a woman 10 years from now. Chris could very well have a crush. There’s just too many reasons why it wouldn’t make for a good story. From a time travel perspective and from a character perspective. Then again, any fan theories/concepts come true.
i have never thought of this theory!
3:37 THATS SUCH A GOOD PIECE OF EVIDENCE OMG
Not you too 😭😭
Tbh this theory is about as believable as the senti adrien theory lol we thought that one was crazy but here we are
Tbh I liked the cent adrien theory bc of I liked that idea and how many conflicts and interesting story but the Lila is man on theory just feels so random and it’s like why??? I really do hope they don’t go through with this
@@AimFlash2506 yeah the sentimonster theory makes more sense when you consider that Adrien’s mom died and it gives a good motive for Gabriel. Idk how was she sent to the past an Bunnix didn’t do anything about it.
Senti adrian is canon
@@Marixchatt exactly and honestly let’s be real if that was it it would also kill all the mystery behind Lila as a character and one thing that made lila her was that we knew nothing about her and how she is tied to the miraculous if the answer was she was simply a time traveling man on then that just kills all the possibilities they could’ve done with her character
@@Owudukan MIZU5 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
This Intro SLAYS SO MUCH
Well the Miraculous Team once wrote that something in the future Will happen that Will make the fans think they plotted It from the start
But the biggest question is that if Lila is manon then why would she hate on mari since ofc theor are some times when the argued but mari and manon was always shown as attached in the series maybe in the future they have an argument which leads to this
My best bet if the Lila is Manon theory is true would be that after Nadia got promoted to Prime Time, she got really busy with work and needed Marinette to babysit Manon more. And Manon, like any child would, got angry or sad about her mom not spending time with her and ended up associating Marinette with those negative feelings.
What if Lila’s motive is that in puppeteer Marinette never let her win and that’s why she hates her so much and that’s why she wants the villains to win
omlll that would be so petty😭😭😭😭
6:19 Lila exposed forehead💀
1:17
an addition is also her trying to get the grimoire to get more info abt the miraculouses.
4:17 I think it’s because if She acumitizs herself and ladybug catches her, she not region ise or smt
Me personally I don’t think they r the same person. It js doesn’t feel right that their their the same. Maybe their simalour but I don’t see it. But that is a rly good theory.
I think they could… could be siblings maybe
what im thinking @@_AASE_
@@_AASE_ Yeah maybe…It would kinda make sense
If the theory is true then Maybe lila's motive is to be loved cause because of manon always being left out by nadia, In the series their is another similarity between them which is that they both like attention. lila lies to get attention by everyone and manon also is shown to want attention by mari in the episode stormy weather I think the episode showed that manon wanted to see mari and asked about her to both ladybug and alya.
The queen 👸 has postedddddd
i find this a bit hard to believe. manon's skin is noticeably darker than lila's, and i doubt lila could disguise her skin.
She Could Bleach her skin
Lila is also my favourite ❤️ she so cool 😍
I LOVE THIS THEORY SM :3
I think the reason she was hitting on Adrien is just part of the plan to get closer to the miraculous stuff and Gabriel Agreste, like, she KNEW about the book cause as soon as she saw it she stole it, she KNEW how to decode it cause she was able to learn about not only the holder's name but their powers and abilities, that should be proof that at some point in time she learned how to do so and then maybe time-traveled back to make the process faster
Tbf, before this video, that theory sounded stupid and uninteresting, but with all this proof it makes so much sense
Also, the whole "babysitting" may just be a plan to make those kids closer to Mannon, so her future self would have them as allies
Put like that is sounds interesting af, but sadly I've lost all hope for miraculous writers to make things good so, idk
I think this theory is in fact......... interesting.
I won't deny that the evidence isn't strong.like the flowers thing, eye and hair colour, puppeteer being manipulative like Lila Rossi, Nadia on her board, Marinette the person Lila hates the most being her babysitter, all are solid evidence. However, this theory worsens some characters, and makes the show way too dark and it creates plot holes.
First: How? How did Manon travel in time back to the present and more importantly why? The first thing we can say that it might be Timetagger. We see that Timetagger does like Lila and plus Lila is babysitting Chris. This does make sense that Lila would akumatise him but this just makes the show dark, we'll get to that later. It can't be Rabbit miraculous cuz how is she gonna get to her. How will she know that Alix is the owner? Ok maybe but then in Simpleman we see thst Manon is holding Fluff which would make her know that Marinette was the guardian. For more debunks, u can see the Haze Clarke's video where she debunks this theory.
Now let me say how the show is going to be way too dark.
Well, Lila does grow up to be a very manipulative psychopathic liar having a secret lair, multiple identities and multiple mothers. We don't know what age she is either. Somewhere , she disguises herself as a student and somewhere as a teacher ( in confrontation maybe) which if we believe is her true age then she is a p£do💀 because she hits on Adrien and even kisses him.
If Manon is Lila, then Nadia has to be the worst mother even worse than Audrey. How the hell would she raise such a psychopath and Marinette has to be a bad babysitter then. It is way too dark that Chris is manipulated by Lila at such a young age and it is creepy. We also only see her do that one time after that Lila is exposed. And why would Nino let his brother get that bad to associate himself with such a bad person. The timetagger scene was deleted for a reason because it's creepy and immoral. Lila can literally give us multiple reasons to call the police 💀.
In timetagger, we also see that Alix behaves normally to Chris.
This means that nobody knows about him liking the future Hawkmoth. So is he a secret agent?
This theory is wild for sure💀. Imagine looking at a psychotic and manipulative liar and thinking that it must be the 7 yr old child we saw 10 episodes ago.💀 But it is mlb so anything can happen. This gives me deja vu of Senti Adrien. It is also dark and a bit creepy that Gabe controls his own son, so idk thay might make it happen. But i will lose respect for this show . After the London Special, mlb has to upgrade not degrade.
сериал давно уже мрачный
OMG!!!!! The Chris thing made sense because she knows a lot of things like that Gabriel was hawk moth and her having a revenge plan against ladybug and hating her
Finally she posted!!!!
Manon also means bitter or rebellious
Manon is a rebel
the theory makes sense because if manon and lila were the same person it explains how lila always knows everything about marinette and how to manipulate her due to manon literally doing the same thing
also the fact that lilas akumatized form volpina is the copy of alya and in the video theres a theory alyas little sisters are her allys it could explain the connection between her copying rena rouge's identity
also in the episode timetagger, bunnix mentions that the future hawkmoth (lila) akumitizes the twins so that explains why she babysits these kids
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I heard this theory ages ago and thought it was dumb but now seeing everything else in hindsight it is a really good theory but definitely the scene where she baby sits herself would be a bit of a loophole/paradox
She is also my favorite cata
I always assumed back when I cared about this show that Lila had three mothers was because she's in foster care and she's just cycling through different families.
I got a mlb ad watching this
So this is what I’m greeted with after returning to Miraculous after what must have been a year, Lila and the stupid child are the same person
i think you should do more voiceovers and rate miraculous theories
1:27 Yeah it is٫ shadow and Rena rouge do it like this aswell.
3:59 call me crazy but in season 2 episode 10 there was a Manon with blond hair and green eyes 👀👀 just saying maybe she's done this/does this because of something
Hey there
here is a little detail you missed-Lila/cerise/iris has three friendship bracelets: probably from Chris and the alya's twin sisters.
also the three bracelets match her three attires
green and red- symbolizes Lila who has green eyes and red coat
brown and purple: cerise who has brown eyes and purple shirt
blue and yellow: blue eyes and blonde hair (her recent disguise in the miraculous London special)
I feel like the news reporter(I forgot her name) is Lila’s mom BUT she put Lila in an adoption center so that like explains like why Lila hates her or something and why Lila has so many moms . and that’s my her and manon look at like and have the flowers on her overalls cuz they are related in so way it’s because they are sisters/ half sisters
Idk if this is readable or understandable😭😭☺️☺️😙😙
When I first heard this theory I was like “nah yall crazy” but I take it back 😭🙏
4:18 she dressed like this so if ladybug unakumatize her she wouldn’t recognize her
Lila and Nadja sat next to each other in both "Qilin" and "Revelation"
I don’t really believe in this theory just because there to different and none of lie-las her moms are a news lady lol
4:16 She dresses like this so if Ladybug de-akumatised her somehow, she could not reconisge her.
Plot twist: Manon is Lila’s younger sister, and Nadia is her actual mother
Propably not
Lila is Italian 🇮🇹
Manon is French 🇫🇷
They arent related Propably
Definitely
In my opinion i have 2 i feel like lilla is maybe manon is lilla sister or related like cousins this makes so much sense i can't wait for second 6
Check season 2 episode 10 manon is shown with different colored hair and a different mum. Lila could be manon doing this for years ever since she was a kid . Its just a hunch
I find this theory really silly, although as someone who made a theory about how lila might indoctrinate the kid characters in future seasons, i find the fact that a connection can be drawn between these 2 very interesting
If this theory is true, then this might be one of the writing crew's most clever story elements (keywords: "most clever") ever written in the show. Either that, or one of the craziest story elements implemented.
At least it's several leagues better than the possibility of Lila being an adult supervillainess.
I also noticed Manon suddenly kinda disappears from the show on point to Lila’s entry I found it really cool factor
It's just a theory guys, the creator didn't confirm anything about lie-la and manon, so there's a possibility they are related or not cause we never see them in the same frame
i do agree with this theory, the outwit in the london special was not her real look , she was wearing that in case she was de-evilised , and no one would know that it’s lila which is why i think cerise is her real look , because we also see her take the lila wig off revealing the cerise hair , and i doubt it was a wig under a wig . all i wanna now is what reason manon has for this ? why did she come back in time? manon isn’t really shown to have a hatred for ladybug or seen to be a bad person
Do you think the theory that lila is marinettes half sister is true?
I like this theory very much but I think the theory from the video is better
Lila manon theory being convincing in 2024 was not on my bingo card
Meme becoming into a reality 😭
I love ur videos omg
Thank u!
@@utterlychloe ofc!
THAT IS WHY, Future Aynx IS HERE TO LOOKING FOR HER!!!!
I got an ad for a mlb doll before the video started
I mean... it sounds bizarre, but it's the exact Miraculous Ladybug level of bizarre. Remember Senti-Adrien theory?
One of the smaller evidences could be how the first season opens up with Manon being a big part of the first episode and ends up with Lila as an akumatized villain in the finale. Also a lot of the first episode she spends with ALYA, a FOX HERO and her akumatized form is A FOX PRETEND HERO.
If it turns out to be true I wonder if it's a genius masterplan set by the creators or a coincidence they just went along with because why not or the fandom. The show makes it hard to tell.
Lila is like a skinwalker...watch her rip off more than her wig, rather her skin and become Beyoncé 😭😭😭😭
You're amazing!!!!
Believe cause the blonde woman has the same smirk with Lila and I saw theory of were there was the same woman who has the same blonde hair who can travel time so maybe Lila also worked with hakmoth in the future and got akumatised so that she can go to the past wow so much evidence
Unpopular opinion, Alya was not a good friend to Marinette when it comes to Lila. First of all whenever Marinette says that she's a liar blah blah blah, alya just goes "your just jealous cuz you want adrien" IF YOUR REALLY BESTFRIENDS THEN BELIEVE HER? ARE YOU JUST GONNA TAKE A RANDOM PERSONS SIDE?? AND THERES SO MUCH MORE!
The main issue I have with this theory is Lila’s hatred of Marinette…. I’m not sure I buy it unless somewhere along the way she feels Marinette also abandoned her as a babysitter
Tbh, in my opinion, it feels like it doesn't make much sense? Like ngl, Manon and Lila are very different people, different races, etc etc.
But knowing how this show is going, they might make it true just like how they made that "Adrien is a Sentimonster" theory true despite Adrien getting hit with Cataclysm a long time ago and not going berserk.
Adrien getting cataclysm? Huh wdym-
Btw senti Adrien was already confirmed in s2-s3. It was clear in S1 tho
@@BlackThief843 No it wasn't? Adrien was straight up hit with Cataclysm when Miraculer stole his powers and he didn't go berserk.
@@falconanddragons2214Miraculer powers dont work the same way as the original holders. Think about the lucky charm giving a literal sword instead of an item that she can rely to win the battle.
@@falconanddragons2214The suit also protected him I'm pretty sure
@@AbedulTG There is no proof is doesn't work the same way as the original holders as it still did give those random objects. Furthermore, Nightmare ladybug was given a giant sword for battle, and Ladybug later used that exact same sword to cast Miraculous Ladybug.
I get the feeling that the writers will see people making this theory because they've been doing it for about a year or two now so maybe they'll see this and they'll add it to the show or debunk it somehow at some point but it will be cool if this was the actual theory now how Lila's has three four moms somehow was the biggest mystery her motivation been being shown in the show somewhere I hope that's some good foreshadowing that we haven't seen cuz I don't know what it is either
I am really looking forward to seeing what we're going to get with her from the next maybe four seasons of since we're getting season 10 now I mean originally this show was just supposed to be five seasons them adding on another twist villain kind of makes sense for the story and what we're going to be experiencing going forward I just wish it was a different power she was using like they could have had it where she found another miraculous that could copy other miraculous users powers or something instead of just being the butterfly miraculous all over again let us see what other people would do with the miraculous Powers if they evil and had the power full-time unlike Gabriel who didn't really use all of the powers like he should have like if I was Gabriel and I had the power of the dragon I would have just been spamming storms all over Paris left and right so ladybug cat noir game up
Bringing dinosaurs and different multi-dimensional creatures to Paris to mess everything up left and right Gabriel did not use the miraculouses to their full extent and power he was just stupid if Lila is as smart as we're supposed to believe I would love to see her with all the miraculouses in her hand using them to do crazy stuff
I won't be shocked if at some point maybe even by Midway through the season 6 or Taurus the end of season 6 she gets all the miraculouses like Gabriel did cuz she had the cat and the miraculous ladybug miraculous for less than a few hours after getting the butterfly miraculous she made a wish that ended not just like the future but like all the time itself
I'm wondering what type of wish she could have made that was so devastating and white time out completely like who is that smart
There is the theory that one TH-camr and a few other people I've seen have come up with where there's this secret kwamei call Noel and it wants to in reality itself maybe something happened at some point and Lila learned about this kwame and she's been slowly trying to get her way to it and her just being famous and wanting attention is something she wants before she ends everything since she couldn't get the complete attention she truly desired at some point maybe
I'm thinking that it could be maybe Lila wants marinette's life play marionette has everything she wants she knows famous people she has a famous boyfriend she has loving parents she's talented smart she's pulled at least six people in the show who's wanted to date her Marinette is everything Lila is pretending to be so he could be if this theory is true and maybe little no no red marinette's diary cuz she does not have that thing well she could have read the diary learned the truth about everything somehow prime travel at some point and maybe she set things up so she can have three several different parents and that's how she's getting away with all this now is cerise I don't think any of the three moms we've seen know about her at all they know her as Lila with that broke ass wig she had on
So now I'm thinking that Lila is just going to completely disappear in the three moms are going to be looking for her next season cuz I believe next season is set during the next school year when everyone's in high school or maybe it's more of a time jump than we think and it's a little further in like maybe halfway through the school year or maybe the following school year after that
What this is a good theory it is kind of dumb but you could see how it could become a real thing especially with all the hints we got at Adrian being sent to monster in the first few seasons I'm going to be honest I don't think that was originally something they were going to put in the show
I think they saw how popular the theory was back around season 2 through 3 and they ran with it in the writer's room
But everything they did for it and the setup was really good I kind of hope this theory is true now because I get the feeling anything they give us later on with just disappoint me now 😅
Also I noticed when they show Lyla and Nadia, Manon isn't there
Coincidence
I would just like to point out with the three mom's things that one one of them was never confirmed to be her mom and two, this could all be explained through either one of the moms looking more presentable in front of important people or maybe her Bio mom and Bio dad got divorced and remarried with her bio mom being queer which seems more likely than her manipulating them
Idk where to watch these season bc they aren’t on netflix so what website please can you tell me im confused 😅❤
I need to know where that intro came from it's so good
love your videos!! also, can you do a video on why you don’t like marinette? i’m just curious! 💞
I have a crazy theory.
What if Cerise used her butterfly powers to akumatize someone to get herself the bunny miraculous and use it to take her younger self (Manon) into her time, or Manon uses the bunny miraculous to take her future self (Cerise) into her time.
HEYYYYYYYY 💓💓
Hiii
@@utterlychloe how are youuuu? 🫶🏽 ( idk if your gonna answer but i hope you doo 😭💓 )
This is what your voice sounds like
Ngl at 5:00 this should be all the hints we needed😭
honestly, i dont get how bc manon is younger then lila so how can she change her height?? ita wired but everything else i understand
I think of this theory like 👁️👄👁️
I agree!
Its a kinda confusing theory knowing that theres NO way manon can get a lila suit and become her but it also sort of makes sense for some reason
JUST HOW MANY MOTHER WILL THIS GURL HAVE?
(this theory really looks so true)
Can you do the new scenes from s6? tyy
The math is not matching in my brain maybe I’m slow 😭
The next MatPat?!🗣🗣
The miraculous matpat ✨️
Then how was she able to time travel-
3:34 also cerise's hair is partially maroon and her eyes are hazel
i finally watched your vids again