*Introduction to shia Imamah* || _16 September 2024 ; Monday_ 0:00:47 Stream begins with welcoming the guest Hamed, followed by introductory discussion 0:11:00 Finally we can hear Hamed well ! _The presentation_ 0:15:36 Introduction to Imamah 0:16:06 Usul al Din ? 0:20:17 Video clip 0:24:36 What is an Imam? 0:25:11 Allamah Majlisi's Definition 0:36:44 Shia Understanding of Prophetology 0:39:32 Quran's Teaching of Prophetology 1:01:17 Prayer of Prophet Yunus 1:03:06 Types of Evidence for Imamah 1:03:10 Rational Evidence 1:23:29 What Do We Believe? 1:25:43 What is the Difference Between Prophethood and Imamah? 1:28:49 Word-Concept Fallacy 1:30:14 Textual Evidence: Quran 1:31:40 First Verse 1:32:09 Where is the Evidence? 1:33:30 Response 1:35:00 Second Verse 1:35:43 Hidden Presumptions 1:37:16 Third Verse 1:37:47 Hidden Presumptions 1:38:59 End of presentation, and discussion _Discussion with guests_ 1:49:26 Habibi / King Midas [ Muslim ] 1:54:18 hussain from Iraq [ Shia Muslim - from Iraq ] 1:58:16 Omar joins the discussion 2:27:26 Ali [ ex-Shia Muslim, now Sunni Muslim ] 2:30:07 Discussion among panelists 3:00:42 Concluding discussion
@@shujaabbas5682 The authentic hadeeth says Imam Ali (RA) gave bayah after couple days...NOT 6 months. Ali (RA) had NO hatred for the companions...period. The Shia narrations are weak or fabrications without chains....go do your research...
@@rizwanramzan5729 it’s funny you tell me to do my research when you didn’t even know your own books refute your point. In fact, this fact that Ali (as) did not give allegiance is so known that not even the most hardcore Sunnis deny it. Lol hit the books kid.
@@shujaabbas5682 Whatever you say buddy. No 12ver nonsense theology is taught in the 23 yrs of the ministry of the Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم). Thats a fact. Deal with that first.....THEN go research your delusions about Ali (RA)....smh... Be off....go study...be off.... #Silly shia...trix are for kids..
I have same to say to your turban heads who invite laymen and have worst debates that are nothing but anti Quranic barbarism...........Also Rumzi is himself not a scholar not even knowing enough of this issue........So it is pretty balanced........
@ih1438 I quoted your own books. I did my best to only go by with what is mentioned in the books I quoted (Haqqul Yaqeen of Majlisi, Al 'Itiqadat of Saduq, Tashhihul 'Itiqadat of Mufid, Minhaj al Karamah of Hilli, and Shiasim from the Quran of Jawad Zaidi). Where did I lie, misquote, or selectively leave something out?
@@ArkofRepentanceTrueIslam you will not be able to prove that you do not have to follow Imam Ali a. if you are honest with all your research then you have to follow Imam Ali a.
Let’s be real here. There are some Shi’a scholars who make Takfir on those who reject imamah and some who don’t. Just like there are major scholars in Sunni Islam that make Takfir and reject those who don’t view the caliphate of Abu Bakr and Umar as legitimate. I’ll give you a list of Sunni scholars who hold this view: 1. Ibn Taymiyyah 2. Imam (ironic) Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 3. Al-Ghazali 4. Ibn Kathir 5. Ibn Al-Jawzi 6. Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab 7. Al-Barbahari 8. Al-Shawkani 9. Al-Dhahabi 10. Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani I’m confused. Is Imamah therefore a pillar for Sunnis as well? Now you might be saying there is a difference between imamah and Khilafah. They are interchangeable though. Khilafah falls under imamah. Even if it didn’t, is Khilafah therefore a pillar of faith for Sunnis? Must one accept the Khilafah of Abu Bakr and Umar to be a Muslim? According to the list of scholars I mentioned, yes indeed. Therefore where is this belief in the Quran? Don’t throw stones if your house is made of glass. Now let’s get to imamah not being in the Quran. Can any Sunni show me a verse in the Quran that specifies the word “Tawheed”? No. But you must believe in Tawheed to be a rightly guided believing Muslim? Then you might say “no the concept of Tawheed is in the Quran, the specifics are in the Hadith”. Likewise for imamah. The concept is in the Quran. Surah 4 verse 59. Obey Allah, the prophet (S), and those in authority. The concept of imamah is obeying and following those in the authority after the Prophet (S). The Hadith gives us details such as who these people are, how many there are, and their characteristics, just like Tawheed. I challenge any Sunni to refute me. I’ll be waiting inshallah
Bro we don’t believe the Khilafah are meta-human, or that they are infallible and that they cant make mistakes. All this yap to be debunked in a sentence.
I don't understand why an actual shia was invited to represent his position?????? How strange and unfair. Might as well not challenge yourself at all lol stay in your bubble
@@abdallahhhhhhh again, the specifics of imamah and Khilafah, no matter what they are, are all specified in Hadith. I’m talking about the CONCEPT of Imamah and Khilafah. So now tell me, must I believe in Khilafah to be considered a rightly guided believeing Muslim or no?
Just study the Battle of Jamal. Being Shia or Sunni should become crystal clear insha'Allah. Both creeds are Muslim of course, but you gotta know your history. Karbala didn't happen in a vacuum. Things led up to it. Prophet Muhammad only called Ali Ameerul Mumineen, nobody else. Facts insha'Allah!
90% of your Hadith corpus is fabricated with questionable chains and unknown narrators as well. You falsely attribute Hadith from Muhammad Al-Baqir (r.a) and Jafar As-Sadiq (r.a) they even curse one of the main narrators in your books. You have little to no authentic hadith from the prophet (s.a.w), Ali (r.a) Hassan and Hussain (r.a) Ahlal Sunnah Wa Jam'ah are the true followers of AhlalBayt. Why do you think your Imams named their children 'Abu Bakr' 'Umar' and 'Uthman' even Jafar As-Sadiq (r.a) is a direct descendant of Abu Bakr (r.a) and Ayesha (r.a) and your scholars curse them
@@barz404 i simply do not care about what the antfarm says about MHMD and his House and their words that came to us because fundementally theyre jealous and you could read it in their tone when they dimmen their lights and stamp themselves with cloutty titles that are as hollow as the staying power of their isnad chain. I simply do not care for the forgeries when i got the real antiques For the antfarm when i got the House I dont care because your whole methodology is designed to deny people from MHMD and his house and their order and to let them need the antfarm And one day i think youll realize whats what when you get enough of the same hadith about zablaba ibn zahboub the companion thats the awesomesauce of the ummah repeated and chewed outta flabour 27 times followed by a landzine of a hadith thatll send you down a crisis of faith of which youll need 116 and counting scholars to patch your iman up and followed by whatever clumsy khabar that leaves anyone with a clear eye and a deep love for MHMD dissappointed. And finally why should i care about the antfarms when they have forgotten ALI and dont want people to remember? And we speak of you his high status were suddenly heretics and apocrypha slurrping hoopalas
@@BB-bi3rx what does RA even mean to you when you despise it when hes given his due and when we follow the prince as he told about himself? What does it mean to follow Ali when everything we got from him is lies, forgeries, apochryphon etc etc according to you? I do not want to badger you into following me, just do not blame me because im cut from the same cloth as the greatest prophet to have ever lived.
What do you debate with a person who doesn't even accept Quran: th-cam.com/video/HyaACzmJ6X8/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared Also tell same to your Hasan Allahdushmani to no lie to just laymen instead talk to e.g; Shamsi or sheikh uthman .........besides why do you need your daddy can't you stand for your beliefs.
@@ExcaliburSyed What are you even laughing at...........Is it that you are happy to have an anti Quranist as the defender of your faith????? Besides despite of being refuted still Allahdushmani continue sto invite just laymen Sunnis to spill his lies rather than would get out of his camera sheild and face sheikh uthman......... Also why is it that he only attacks sunnis & not non muslims........ ohh yeah it is because your religion don't have a leg to stand on against non muslims..........That is why Iran has the 2nd largest growing christian community...........It is so pleasing to see how Allah subhanahu watala takes islam away from the hearts of enemies of Ameer ul muminin Abi Bakar & Umar & Uthman & Also Aisha & hafsa (RA)..
Hassan should debate Adnan Rashid or Farid....or continue to hide for the past 10 yrs. I wish Shia scholars would debate Sunni Da'i publicly....but Shias do not...
@@rizwanramzan5729 Hassan has been talking to Sunni ulemas for the past 10 years and no one has ever proved him otherwise... unlike mr adnan who lies about shias in order to please his audience... (i do appreciate Adnan Rashid for his works against Christianity atheism Qadiani) but if you have no idea about shias, you should shut the hell up...
Not saying you specifically, but for example that there's no difference between an imam and a prophet not pointing out that prophets are also imams, which is why they're so similar to each other except that prophets become prophets by wahi unlike imams@@ArkofRepentanceTrueIslam
@@zecca4369 I was the main one speaking in these 3 hours.... and you're just saying imams are prophets and prophets are imams. I already addressed this and why most Muslims cannot accept or adopt such a view or perspective. What makes you different than the Qadiyanis?
@@ArkofRepentanceTrueIslam The qadiyanis made up prophets after the prophet وآلـﷺـهِ that he didn't talk about, meanwhile shias follow leaders that were appointed by Rasulallah وآلـﷺـهِ. Very simple, now what makes you different than jews in tajseem?
@@zecca4369 as I said I'll comment on that point you just made in part 2, but the prophet NEVER has suggested that anyone after him CAN be or ever would ever be SIMILAR to prophets. As for claims of Nass (divine designation/appointment) that will be in part 2 and 3 (mainly 3)
![ไลฟ์สุ่ม iPhone 295 บาท... โกงมั้ย?[ โกงมั้ยครับ ep.97 ] | DOM](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/gdstHEE4UUE/mqdefault.jpg)
*Introduction to shia Imamah* || _16 September 2024 ; Monday_
0:00:47 Stream begins with welcoming the guest Hamed, followed by introductory discussion
0:11:00 Finally we can hear Hamed well !
_The presentation_
0:15:36 Introduction to Imamah
0:16:06 Usul al Din ?
0:20:17 Video clip
0:24:36 What is an Imam?
0:25:11 Allamah Majlisi's Definition
0:36:44 Shia Understanding of Prophetology
0:39:32 Quran's Teaching of Prophetology
1:01:17 Prayer of Prophet Yunus
1:03:06 Types of Evidence for Imamah
1:03:10 Rational Evidence
1:23:29 What Do We Believe?
1:25:43 What is the Difference Between Prophethood and Imamah?
1:28:49 Word-Concept Fallacy
1:30:14 Textual Evidence: Quran
1:31:40 First Verse
1:32:09 Where is the Evidence?
1:33:30 Response
1:35:00 Second Verse
1:35:43 Hidden Presumptions
1:37:16 Third Verse
1:37:47 Hidden Presumptions
1:38:59 End of presentation, and discussion
_Discussion with guests_
1:49:26 Habibi / King Midas [ Muslim ]
1:54:18 hussain from Iraq [ Shia Muslim - from Iraq ]
1:58:16 Omar joins the discussion
2:27:26 Ali [ ex-Shia Muslim, now Sunni Muslim ]
2:30:07 Discussion among panelists
3:00:42 Concluding discussion
Jazakallahkhair for the time stamps.
*_Abu Bakr RA as the first Caliph is the will of Allah. Take it or leave it._*
The Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) appointed A.Bakr (RA) as successor...and the companions accepted it..
Bro then why did imam Ali (as) protest it for 6 months? Was he going against the will of Allah for that time?
@@shujaabbas5682 The authentic hadeeth says Imam Ali (RA) gave bayah after couple days...NOT 6 months. Ali (RA) had NO hatred for the companions...period.
The Shia narrations are weak or fabrications without chains....go do your research...
@@rizwanramzan5729 it’s funny you tell me to do my research when you didn’t even know your own books refute your point. In fact, this fact that Ali (as) did not give allegiance is so known that not even the most hardcore Sunnis deny it. Lol hit the books kid.
@@shujaabbas5682 Whatever you say buddy. No 12ver nonsense theology is taught in the 23 yrs of the ministry of the Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم). Thats a fact. Deal with that first.....THEN go research your delusions about Ali (RA)....smh...
Be off....go study...be off....
#Silly shia...trix are for kids..
How bout ghadir khum?
Does the successor get chosen by people or Allah?
Hey rumzi i really dont understand why you don't invite a shia scholar this is unjust really
I have same to say to your turban heads who invite laymen and have worst debates that are nothing but anti Quranic barbarism...........Also Rumzi is himself not a scholar not even knowing enough of this issue........So it is pretty balanced........
Shiite scholars are an even worse fit to defend the people of the house
Theyre heterodox (imam Ali specifically is orthodoxy) shafiis+
He'll get exposed
@ih1438 I quoted your own books. I did my best to only go by with what is mentioned in the books I quoted (Haqqul Yaqeen of Majlisi, Al 'Itiqadat of Saduq, Tashhihul 'Itiqadat of Mufid, Minhaj al Karamah of Hilli, and Shiasim from the Quran of Jawad Zaidi). Where did I lie, misquote, or selectively leave something out?
@@ArkofRepentanceTrueIslam you will not be able to prove that you do not have to follow Imam Ali a.
if you are honest with all your research then you have to follow Imam Ali a.
Let’s be real here. There are some Shi’a scholars who make Takfir on those who reject imamah and some who don’t. Just like there are major scholars in Sunni Islam that make Takfir and reject those who don’t view the caliphate of Abu Bakr and Umar as legitimate. I’ll give you a list of Sunni scholars who hold this view:
1. Ibn Taymiyyah
2. Imam (ironic) Ahmad Ibn Hanbal
3. Al-Ghazali
4. Ibn Kathir
5. Ibn Al-Jawzi
6. Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab
7. Al-Barbahari
8. Al-Shawkani
9. Al-Dhahabi
10. Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani
I’m confused. Is Imamah therefore a pillar for Sunnis as well? Now you might be saying there is a difference between imamah and Khilafah. They are interchangeable though. Khilafah falls under imamah. Even if it didn’t, is Khilafah therefore a pillar of faith for Sunnis? Must one accept the Khilafah of Abu Bakr and Umar to be a Muslim? According to the list of scholars I mentioned, yes indeed. Therefore where is this belief in the Quran? Don’t throw stones if your house is made of glass.
Now let’s get to imamah not being in the Quran. Can any Sunni show me a verse in the Quran that specifies the word “Tawheed”? No. But you must believe in Tawheed to be a rightly guided believing Muslim? Then you might say “no the concept of Tawheed is in the Quran, the specifics are in the Hadith”. Likewise for imamah. The concept is in the Quran. Surah 4 verse 59. Obey Allah, the prophet (S), and those in authority. The concept of imamah is obeying and following those in the authority after the Prophet (S). The Hadith gives us details such as who these people are, how many there are, and their characteristics, just like Tawheed.
I challenge any Sunni to refute me. I’ll be waiting inshallah
Bro we don’t believe the Khilafah are meta-human, or that they are infallible and that they cant make mistakes. All this yap to be debunked in a sentence.
I don't understand why an actual shia was invited to represent his position?????? How strange and unfair. Might as well not challenge yourself at all lol stay in your bubble
@@abdallahhhhhhh again, the specifics of imamah and Khilafah, no matter what they are, are all specified in Hadith. I’m talking about the CONCEPT of Imamah and Khilafah. So now tell me, must I believe in Khilafah to be considered a rightly guided believeing Muslim or no?
@@abdallahhhhhhh still waiting for a response habibi. Don’t throw stones when your house is made of glass. You people are all talk
Sunnis see imamah more important than shias do tbh, since we don't see it takfir worthy unlike them
Just study the Battle of Jamal. Being Shia or Sunni should become crystal clear insha'Allah. Both creeds are Muslim of course, but you gotta know your history. Karbala didn't happen in a vacuum. Things led up to it. Prophet Muhammad only called Ali Ameerul Mumineen, nobody else. Facts insha'Allah!
Maybe those hadiths are fabricated you know that when the prophet died Ali was only 30 while the prophet was 63
To anyone who see this comment i invite to read the ahadith of ahlalbayt instead
Rumzi is nice and all but he is just not an authority on such matters
90% of your Hadith corpus is fabricated with questionable chains and unknown narrators as well. You falsely attribute Hadith from Muhammad Al-Baqir (r.a) and Jafar As-Sadiq (r.a) they even curse one of the main narrators in your books. You have little to no authentic hadith from the prophet (s.a.w), Ali (r.a) Hassan and Hussain (r.a) Ahlal Sunnah Wa Jam'ah are the true followers of AhlalBayt. Why do you think your Imams named their children 'Abu Bakr' 'Umar' and 'Uthman' even Jafar As-Sadiq (r.a) is a direct descendant of Abu Bakr (r.a) and Ayesha (r.a) and your scholars curse them
@@barz404 i simply do not care about what the antfarm says about MHMD and his House and their words that came to us because fundementally theyre jealous and you could read it in their tone when they dimmen their lights and stamp themselves with cloutty titles that are as hollow as the staying power of their isnad chain.
I simply do not care for the forgeries when i got the real antiques
For the antfarm when i got the House
I dont care because your whole methodology is designed to deny people from MHMD and his house and their order and to let them need the antfarm
And one day i think youll realize whats what when you get enough of the same hadith about zablaba ibn zahboub the companion thats the awesomesauce of the ummah repeated and chewed outta flabour 27 times followed by a landzine of a hadith thatll send you down a crisis of faith of which youll need 116 and counting scholars to patch your iman up and followed by whatever clumsy khabar that leaves anyone with a clear eye and a deep love for MHMD dissappointed.
And finally why should i care about the antfarms when they have forgotten ALI and dont want people to remember? And we speak of you his high status were suddenly heretics and apocrypha slurrping hoopalas
@@barz404 why do you recoil at the mention of Ali?
Why do you despise his mention?
Why are you sealing the roads to him?
@@fremiloant1186he said Ali r.a, just because he dosent worship Ali ra dosent mean he dont like his mention
@@BB-bi3rx what does RA even mean to you when you despise it when hes given his due and when we follow the prince as he told about himself?
What does it mean to follow Ali when everything we got from him is lies, forgeries, apochryphon etc etc according to you?
I do not want to badger you into following me, just do not blame me because im cut from the same cloth as the greatest prophet to have ever lived.
someone give this brother a phd already👌🏾
Which lecture was this?
Easy sitting and talking lies about others...
I dare you Converse with @Hassan Allahyari English
What do you debate with a person who doesn't even accept Quran:
th-cam.com/video/HyaACzmJ6X8/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Also tell same to your Hasan Allahdushmani to no lie to just laymen instead talk to e.g; Shamsi or sheikh uthman .........besides why do you need your daddy can't you stand for your beliefs.
@@sweetasvanilla Hahaha
challenged 7 years ago and these individuals didn't come Face to face...
again... its easy to lie infornt of the camera
@@ExcaliburSyed What are you even laughing at...........Is it that you are happy to have an anti Quranist as the defender of your faith?????
Besides despite of being refuted still Allahdushmani continue sto invite just laymen Sunnis to spill his lies rather than would get out of his camera sheild and face sheikh uthman.........
Also why is it that he only attacks sunnis & not non muslims........ ohh yeah it is because your religion don't have a leg to stand on against non muslims..........That is why Iran has the 2nd largest growing christian community...........It is so pleasing to see how Allah subhanahu watala takes islam away from the hearts of enemies of Ameer ul muminin Abi Bakar & Umar & Uthman & Also Aisha & hafsa (RA)..
Hassan should debate Adnan Rashid or Farid....or continue to hide for the past 10 yrs. I wish Shia scholars would debate Sunni Da'i publicly....but Shias do not...
@@rizwanramzan5729 Hassan has been talking to Sunni ulemas for the past 10 years and no one has ever proved him otherwise...
unlike mr adnan who lies about shias in order to please his audience...
(i do appreciate Adnan Rashid for his works against Christianity atheism Qadiani) but if you have no idea about shias, you should shut the hell up...
Part 2 is now out
are you guys shias?
what is the context of the Mohammed Hoblos clip? 😂
Good point that where I came 😂
.
3 hours of lies
Sorry, where did I lie? Can you point me to one lie please?
Not saying you specifically, but for example that there's no difference between an imam and a prophet not pointing out that prophets are also imams, which is why they're so similar to each other except that prophets become prophets by wahi unlike imams@@ArkofRepentanceTrueIslam
@@zecca4369 I was the main one speaking in these 3 hours.... and you're just saying imams are prophets and prophets are imams. I already addressed this and why most Muslims cannot accept or adopt such a view or perspective. What makes you different than the Qadiyanis?
@@ArkofRepentanceTrueIslam The qadiyanis made up prophets after the prophet وآلـﷺـهِ that he didn't talk about, meanwhile shias follow leaders that were appointed by Rasulallah وآلـﷺـهِ. Very simple, now what makes you different than jews in tajseem?
@@zecca4369 as I said I'll comment on that point you just made in part 2, but the prophet NEVER has suggested that anyone after him CAN be or ever would ever be SIMILAR to prophets. As for claims of Nass (divine designation/appointment) that will be in part 2 and 3 (mainly 3)