The changes in personality (besides Snoopy of course) are realistic. Charlie Brown was a four year old kid that is always an outcast and gets no luck. Over the time he gets depressed. Lucy is a two year old who is always labeled a fuss budget and annoying. Over time she gets angry. Schroeder was a baby who was passionate about something nobody could relate to (Piano). Over time he becomes cranky and keeps more and more to himself. Schultz didn't wake up one day and change their personalities. He allowed them to evolve naturally according to what would fit their age.
Peppermint Patty also used to talk about her mom in "it's your dog charlie brown" later on in the 80's she said she never had a mom, she also went to a different school than charlie brown, later on she is seen going to the same one, Linus and Sally were supposed to be younger than the rest of the kids and shortly after, they're even in the same classes with charlie brown and the others. At some point Linus was supposed to wear glasses because he was developing the smart kid attitude, Peppermint Patty had a recurrent gag where she would help charlie brown getting to talk to his crush the red haired girl with catastrophic results, she later on becomes interested in charlie and is jealous of the little red haired girl, sometime in the 70's Lucy started to love not wearing shoes and is seen in some strips and a lot of 1970's merchandise wearing her everyday regular blue dress but she's completely barefoot for no reason, apparently because of the hippie trends of the 70's. There was a storyboard drawing from an episode of the charlie brown and snoopy show where she was running around barefoot saying how she liked it and spent the entire episode without shoes, this storyboard drawing and text were on ebay in 2012. Schroeder was a character that everyone knew and liked but from the 1980's and on he was not really there at all in the strips, it's very likely that he was going to be canned.
Apparently Lucy was based on Schultz's first wife. So the progression of the character's personality and her souring towards Charlie was probably a reflection of their marriage and Schultz's perception of his wife's deteriorating attitude towards him.
Yes, definitely a major effect on the character. Though to say “first wife” sort of minimizes her impact. Joyce Schulz was his wife for 20 years and the mother of his children. She married him when he was poor and saw him and supported him through his success until his midlife crisis where he pretty much delegated her to “starter wife” status and started an affair with a 20 year old Tracey Claudus who he married and lived the rest of his life with. One would be tempted to say that his wife and his mother both having the same maiden name was an Oedipal complex and certainly he needed a strong, matronly character to push him toward success only to think he needed a younger weaker character to nurse him in his old age.
@@StoutShako That's life though. It's not a good guy/bad guy thing. We're all human. We can be wonderful and total jerks from one moment to the next. I can see myself in Schulz's shoes. He found religion, but was never a jerk about it. He suffered from depression right to his last dying day and had many crises of faith. I saw a documentary where a friend said he used to watch "Citizen Kane" almost every day in his old age. That tells you something. And it's not like he left his first wife destitute. Believe me, she earned that huge divorce settlement and house. Speaking of which, they both spent many years building a big home which became something of a local attraction, raising a family, and really they each found fulfillment in many things. Sadly, one of those things wasn't their marriage. And I hope it didn't come off like I was trashing his second wife, Tracey, when I said "weaker". Perhaps I should have said more demure. She was with him to the end.
A few months ago, I was listening to one of those recordings of Amber Heard berating Johnny Depp when I felt overcome by deja vu. "Where have I observed this dynamic before?" I wondered. Then it hit me: This was Lucy Van Pelt, all grown up and gacked out of her mind, ripping on Charlie Brown.
The switch with Charlie and Lucy makes sense when you read about Schulz. He had side pieces before his first divorce. He ended relationships he really loved and although he remarried, you can tell he longed for the past.
Peanut fans knew this . Though we weren't there at the beginning, we read all the early books. Fact its thankful that the strip ended with Schultz . And no other cartoonist could change it.
I know this is two years since your comment, but I'd like to tell you that our "timeline/dimension/probability" or whatever you wanna call it, has shifted. In _this_ timeline, Charles Schultz is *now* Charles _Schulz_ . The t vanished from his name in this reality! He was ALWAYS Charles Schultz for me, just as you typed it. But now, his name is Charles Schulz.
I'm surprise you didn't talk about the early cast that faded away before the classic era - like Shermy or Charlotte Braun (or even Violet and Patty who stuck around longer without vanishing completely but were much more prominent to begin with.)
@@EssexAggiegrad2011 The Early Peanuts during the “Lil Folks” era 1949-1953, was kinda cynical and jaded. As the mid 50s rolled in and as it got its new branding and name, it got more Quaint and Sarcastic.
Lucy was a baby along with Schroeder when introduced into the strip. In order to bring in Linus, Shultz aged up Lucy and Schroeder, just like Charlie Brown was aged up to be the age of Patty, Violet, and Shermy when Lucy and Schroeder were brought in. Long story short, this was why Lucy started off speaking babyish. Another indicator to show her younger than Charlie Brown before being aged up to the age of the others and act as the bossy older sister to Linus, Lucy was a fan of Romper Room.
Seeing those earliest strips made me realize I never really put an age on Charlie Brown. It's almost as if he's stylistically portrayed to be not much more than a baby to reflect his own inner sense of helplessness.
As a child in the sixties, I have very fond memories of the comic books, paperbacks and toy tie-ins. There is a part of me that finds the early Peanuts very endearing as CB was a much happier kid and the other kids all seemed to like him. However once he became manic, I started to relate to him more and more. The Peanuts and more importantly Charles Schulz will always have a very special place in my heart, so much so I even have a couple of Snoopy tattoos.
In the beginning most of the characters were young kids, some as young as an infant, originally charlie brown was four, lucy was a two year old baby, her brother was a year old
I feel privileged to have read some of Schultz's early works that not everyone is aware of. Imagine Peanuts being older, taller and somewhat wiser. It depicted the daily lives of College Students instead of young Children. Some of it was even politically focused with topics about War, Protests, Strikes and Personal Hardships. The books belonged to one of my older siblings, but were considered part of the Family Library as common reading material. I don't recall any specific names of characters like Peanuts has. It was more about being serious than being funny.
There was one strip around 1975,where snoopy tried to give a speech,but at the time,people were protesting about dogs being sent to Vietnam,this was around 1975,when the Vietnam war was still raging,so snoopy got bombarded by tear gas,so he thought that people were protesting about his speech. I bet when he got home,Charlie brown was so worried about him he told sally that snoopy would be sleeping inside.
One of the big reasons Peanuts was so successful for so many years was that Schultz developed his characters extremely well over time, which includes the early drawing style. With the exception of the misstep with early Lucy's eyes, I really like that early drawing style for the characters. Of course, I like the later stylistic drawing development too.
In this timeline, Charles Schultz is now Charles Schulz . The t vanished from his name! He was ALWAYS Charles Schultz for me, just as you typed it. But now, his name is Charles Schulz.
My niece gave me an early Peanuts comic from the 50's. On the cover Snoopy (still looking like a regular dog) is coloured brown. To think of it, it kind of makes sense. As most beagle's are brown.
I've had a paperback book of these early Peanuts strips and I have always loved those early ones even better than the well known Peanuts drawings and strips. The early ones are funnier. I also like the artwork better.
As lifelong Peanuts fan, I knew this. Sparky Schulz had to find his way, I think, for the first few years, to reach what he was striving for. Probably have the entire run in book form. The strip became somewhat repetitive in it's last decade, but we still loved it. ♥️❤️❤️🥜🥜🥜
Sparky was planning on Quitting in 3 different Years: 1958,1967, 1979, but he was talked out of it each time. He was already planning on finally hanging it up alongside Jim Davis in 1999, when he soon got the Cancer Diagnosis.
Very insightful video! Had no clue how much Peanuts evolved over time. The early ones actually seem very Little Rascals -esque (a series of short films from the 1920s-1940s ) As a matter of fact, I’ve even heard that Charles Schulz used The Little Rascals as inspiration for Peanuts, which wouldn’t be too far fetched, given the similarities between the two
Just as some people prefer Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck when they stopped being animals, people tend to think of the "classic" era of "Peanuts" as the 1960s when the characters stopped being children and inhabited an essentially parentless world. In the '50s they were quirky, but they were still children. What was truly odd is the way some characters entered the strip as babies or toddlers, yet they all ended up the same age.
I'm surprised you didn't include the sequences in 1954 that showed adults in a Peanuts strip, albeit from the chest down when Lucy and Charlie Brown compete in a golf tournament. Schulz had an unwritten rule never to include adults in any of the strips, but he made a rare exception in '54. I also remember a daily from the 50s which showed an adult's hand placed flat on a counter, it may have been a movie usher.
It was a store clerk. Cool that somebody else remembers an unusual. There was also one where Lucy's mom is voiced "offstage," telling her to pick up her sweater
This reminds me of season 1 the loud house,where the loud parents were never shown by their faces,shame their animation design,references to peanuts and all that went down the drain,essentially.🙁🙁
I was a Peanuts fan when I was a little kid, in the early 70s. But I didn't really read the strip in the newspaper. Instead I got the paperback reprints of the strips, so I was really reading a lot of the 1960s strips at the time, and maybe some late 50s strips. I was thrilled many years later to read the earliest strips from the beginning, even if they were rather different. They're very much historical artifacts. I was truly surprised to discover the Dell comics, though. But I only discovered those much more recently. Far too late to have any impact on my childhood! :-)
I'm really unhappy with the way the show completely disregarded the canon that had been built up to that point. There was a whole episode where linus and sally were by charlie brown's side when he got snoopy for the first time, but in the comics snoopy was around long before linus was even born, let alone sally.
Strangely, originally, Snoopy wasn't even Charlie Brown's dog, he was more like a stray who played with all the kids in the neighbourhood (Like Petey in the Our Gang/Little Rascals franchise), also, for most of the strip's life, he was said to be an "only puppy" with no brothers or sisters... later, he got an entire litter of sibblings.
@@shoknifeman2mikado135like how late loud house completely removed the references to peanuts unlike early loud house,for season one,which is my favourite,it was a lot like peanuts in the sixties and seventies. It’s such a shame they completely removed their original references to peanuts and it’s style. Also,this is a tangent,but I would love a peanuts,loud house crossover,and to see them interacting and communicating would be great.what do you think if the loud house and peanuts did a crossover series,
@@shoknifeman2mikado135 I wouldn't really say Snoopy used to be a "stray." He still had a collar, and he appeared to be living in various kids' houses instead of always roaming the streets. I think Schulz just wasn't sure who Snoopy should belong to yet.
I actually read this big ass book collecting the early years of peanuts and it's genuinely so weird feeling in the best way possible, like seeing the early artstyle and how Charlie Brown was pretty much almost a side character being that younger kid Patty and Shermy hung out with. Also something i noticed, the older younger kids were kind of assholes to Charlie, Charlie ended up being kind of an asshole to the other kids especially Lucy, and in the end Lucy ended up also becoming an asshole, it's not one way or linear either and i think it actually explains a lot about Peanuts' world. Also i actually really preferred the Artstyle of the 1950s version.
This brings back some happy memories for me. I discovered some paperback collections of older Peanuts strips in my school library in the early 70's, and was amazed at how different they were from what I knew. I can no longer remember what year they were from, but they were the original character design. I loved reading them back then, and really wish I had them now.
The final years of the Peanuts newspaper strips became pretty sad. Schulz appeared to drop the child characters altogether and focused on Snoopy's brother "Spike" and the "woodstock" birds, all living out in the desert. They weren't very funny, in fact they were quite witless. The 60s and early 70s were by far the best years for Peanuts. Some of those strips were inspired.
i think it's because whatever it was that Schulz had (Parkinson's?) that made his line so shaky. He really couldn't draw anymore and the strip was running on fumes, I think for the last 20 years. I notice it now even as far back as the 70s that his drawing was beginning to deteriorate. I pretty much stopped following it in the late 70s, and when I bought the Complete Peanuts volumes I only bought up to around 1972-73. I still love and re-read the stuff up till then, but every strip has its golden period, and Peanuts was no different.
I knew about and had read the earliest PEANUTS comic strips, but had no idea there were ever PEANUTS comic books. Personally, I regret that Schulz didn't want anyone else ever to continue the strip, because I think the high quality of the PEANUTS MOVIE and HAPPINESS IS A WARM BLANKET, CHARLIE BROWN show that it would have been possible for someone else to carry the strip forward in a way that honored Schulz's best work and intentions. So I'm glad if this is being done in other media like comic books.
I agree with oliver brown as well, why didn’t Schulz want anyone to continue the magnum opus that peanuts is,it’s like he threw in the towel,mind you,he was already at deaths door,so I understand he couldn’t write the strip,but his family definitely could write the strip for him after that,after all,they know how to write peanuts,they’re his family,after all. I mean look at the peanuts cartoons and the peanuts movie.and the kaboom comic strips.
The robot story isn't very Peanuts. The only fantastical characters should be Snoopy, Woodstock, and Snoopy's family. Charlie Brown was out of character he would pull pranks and be a little sassy on occasion but not do all of that. At least it was just a dream.
Wow, that was quite interesting! I knew the artstyle changed but I didn't realize this much was different from today's Peanuts, Lucy and Charlie Brown especially. Great video! Yikes, that monster panel too...
Lucy having a crush on Charlie brown. No wonder she wants him to kick the football so much. But its more cuter than The Little Red Haired Girl in a way lol
There were strips as late as 1965 where Lucy hinted that she still had secret feelings for Charlie Brown. He ALWAYS rejected her, maybe her hatred of him came out of that.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I usta have a paperback book of reprints of the strip from the 1950 beginnings spanning a couple of years. I dunno what became of it. But I love Peanuts and Charles M. Shultz! It was such a better time in America! Now, I'm a groan up and speak trumpet. Thanks, again.
@@shoknifeman2mikado135 Lucy’s Crush on Charlie Brown remained, it just evolved more into a Cynical “I’m a Shrew and you’re supposed to think I’m pretty and Call me Cute” Crush.
It just goes to show that we all have to start somewhere. Looking foreword to future Peanuts videos as this one was very informative. Bought the complete collection 1950-52 recent just waiting for it to turn up, have any of those weird comics like the story with the robot ever been reprinted?
Talk about "weird Peanuts"... anybody remember the story where Charlie Brown developed a baseball mental complex (I guess from having the losingest team) that manifested a skin rash, making the back of his head look like a baseball? He started wearing a paper bag over his head to hide the rash, went away to a summer camp to get over his "issue" and the other kids started calling him Mr. Sack. Ironically, he actually gained some respect, despite the sack. I always wondered what inspired that story.
That was a 1973 daily strip story arc. It was one of Schulz's personal favorites. He even tipped his hat to MAD magazine in the final panel, because he was always amused at how often they parodied his characters in so many different ways...
@Barry I. Grauman Right, because the sun rose as a baseball before his complex... then rose as Alfred E. Neuman at the end, much to Charlie Brown's dismay.
This was a great video! Regarding Snoopy's "thought balloons," though, I believe that the early strips featuring Snoopy's thoughts actually used thought balloons and not speech balloons. It's just that the drawing style was different. In the later style, speech was indicated by a pointy arrow to the speaker; the pointy arrow was replaced by a couple of bubbles to indicate unvoiced thoughts. But in the earlier style, thoughts were indicated by making the main part of the balloon "cloudy," by giving it a wiggly perimeter rather than a smooth perimeter.
Since the early strips had a lot of the main characters a lot younger, you can consider the transition to “modern peanuts” a timeskip. Charlie Brown is the One Piece of America confirmed
It's pretty mind-boggling to think that there was a time that "Peanuts" was not popular enough to have their own comic book, and had to be relegated to the back pages of a "Nancy" comic book.
Schultz once depicted them as teenagers in a book my father brought home on his travels. (Not a comic, but a collection.) He also brought home those dolls you see at the beginning of this vid. I still have Snoopy and Linus. The big heads may have been done in the style of Miss Peach. Those were VERY funny.
I still remember this really odd coincidence where, several years ago, I was reading one of the Kaboom comic books, and I came across a reprinted comic that I had seen in the Sunday paper just a few weeks prior.
Great video! Peanuts debuted in only 7 newspapers. Wikipedia has 9 newspapers for some reason [citation needed, it admits], but the real number is, in fact, seven: The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, Star Tribune of Minneapolis, The Morning Call (Allentown, PA), Bethlehem Globe-Times (PA), The Denver Post, and The Seattle Times. [Johnson, Rheta Grimsley. Good Grief!: The Story of Charles M. Schulz. New York: Pharos Books, 1989, pg. 26]
I personally think they all look cuter in the early strips, especially Snoopy. I had all of these strips in a collection as a kid from the school library closing.
My parents had all the early Peanuts books (bina-fide CS compilation paperback books, not pulp comics) when I was a young child, @ 4 yo. I was fascinated by them and I'm sure my mother read them to me. Eventually I began checking them out on my own. Mom also revealed to me that, at bedtime, I would tell myself stories she referred to as "The Peanuts and Baby Monster," the latter being myself. I especially recall CB crying, "AARRRGGGHHH!" in frustration and feeling pleased that I could decode this unusual word. I liked reading other books, too, but The Peanuts were always my favorites. Overall, The Peanuts and Charles Schultz did not talk down to readers, which made the strip a brilliant gem. On my first day in Kindergarten, I walked in, saw the books there, and wondered, "Can I read those?" In fact I could. ...on another Peanuts note: *please,* Blake, can you find the Peanuts strip in which Linus is showing off his "clam-diggers"? These are a kind of striped shorts in light cotton (Indian cotton I think) extending halfway down the thigh. I was a child but I NEVER forgot this fashion term--or the comic!
I never knew about those early comic books. It’s a little surprising that Schulz sanctioned such a counterfeit version of Peanuts, since he was so protective of the strip itself.
On the comic books, the same thing happened with Chas Addams' Addams Family. I imagine the comics were probably more faithful to the 1970s Hanna Barbera cartoon than Addams' New Yorker strips.
I grew up in the 80s. I was exposed to both the then modern Peanuts (and animated specials still being run), and the original version. My grandma had a bunch of old comic strip paperbacks, including most of the paperback releases of the early Peanuts. To this day, I have a soft spot for the original. I overall like the original better (when they are all younger). As iconic as the more well known versions of these characters are, I think the original was a smarter strip.
A buddy of mine had some of the early Peanuts comic books. I got a kick out of Snoopy referring to Charlie Brown as "The round headed kid." Of course, that was decades ago. I wonder how much those old comics would be worth today?
Actually there was an episode in the Charlie Brown and Snoopy show where Snoopy meets a robot and the two end up trying to control each other - maybe that robot dream comic stripe served as inspiration for that episode.
I used to love watching Charlie Brown's The Great Pumpkin and Charlie Brown Christmas. I grew up watching them every year in the 80's. I had no idea they were produced way back in 1965 and 1966. My father watched the same cartoon when he was 11 years old. Wild.
What I liked was the existential angst of Charlie Brown and the rejection of the krass commercial commodification of the world as expressed by Linus and Charlie Brown. I loved it because I was a very precious child who dispised how kids were normally depicted on TV in the 60s
I still remember Lucy and Charlie Brown walking down the sidewalk. And Lucy freaking out over a piece of Fuzz. (I'm assuming it was a caterpillar) So it starts moving. Charlie is shouting it's a bug, Lucy yelling it's piece of fuzz. They both start walking back home afterwords. Lucy saying "Fuzz, brrrr". It was funny and cute at the same time.
I got a whole archive of the comics from the beginning. I've bing read them a couple of times so I already know how different it was at the beginning xD I'm not sure what I expected to learn
I always LOVED the early Peanuts! Loved the art style (which has come back around in vogue), loved the characterizations of Snoopy and Charlie Brown being older than Lucy and the others. You forgot to mention that. In the original, Charlie is a few years older than Lucy. She is depicted as being in pre-school/kindergarten while he is hovering around the second grade. In terms of children that’s quite an age gap! He even baby sits her! I wish they would bring back new cartoons of this version.
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lol I used to read this oldest version of the penuts comics when I was a kid. btw no I am not that old. I am 21, a 2000's kid. But as a kid and even now, I go to the library a lot and one time checked out the book of these old peanuts comics. Great times. :) 😊
The changes in personality (besides Snoopy of course) are realistic. Charlie Brown was a four year old kid that is always an outcast and gets no luck. Over the time he gets depressed. Lucy is a two year old who is always labeled a fuss budget and annoying. Over time she gets angry. Schroeder was a baby who was passionate about something nobody could relate to (Piano). Over time he becomes cranky and keeps more and more to himself. Schultz didn't wake up one day and change their personalities. He allowed them to evolve naturally according to what would fit their age.
I'm trying to get over Lucy being younger than Charlie Brown.
so you're telling me its not natural for my dog to stand up?
@@Outcastic I have a dog that stands on two legs. He doesnt walk on them but hell just stand for a long time.
@@mistertagomago7974 you know i knew someone was gonna say this, but i was too lazy to specify
@@Outcastic I wasnt being a smart ass lol I just thought it was an interesting thing to mention since most dogs wont do it for long.
Even though the characters looked differently and acted a bit differently because it was still finding its self, it was still pretty funny.
Peppermint Patty also used to talk about her mom in "it's your dog charlie brown" later on in the 80's she said she never had a mom, she also went to a different school than charlie brown, later on she is seen going to the same one, Linus and Sally were supposed to be younger than the rest of the kids and shortly after, they're even in the same classes with charlie brown and the others.
At some point Linus was supposed to wear glasses because he was developing the smart kid attitude, Peppermint Patty had a recurrent gag where she would help charlie brown getting to talk to his crush the red haired girl with catastrophic results, she later on becomes interested in charlie and is jealous of the little red haired girl, sometime in the 70's Lucy started to love not wearing shoes and is seen in some strips and a lot of 1970's merchandise wearing her everyday regular blue dress but she's completely barefoot for no reason, apparently because of the hippie trends of the 70's. There was a storyboard drawing from an episode of the charlie brown and snoopy show where she was running around barefoot saying how she liked it and spent the entire episode without shoes, this storyboard drawing and text were on ebay in 2012.
Schroeder was a character that everyone knew and liked but from the 1980's and on he was not really there at all in the strips, it's very likely that he was going to be canned.
Apparently Lucy was based on Schultz's first wife. So the progression of the character's personality and her souring towards Charlie was probably a reflection of their marriage and Schultz's perception of his wife's deteriorating attitude towards him.
Yes, definitely a major effect on the character. Though to say “first wife” sort of minimizes her impact. Joyce Schulz was his wife for 20 years and the mother of his children. She married him when he was poor and saw him and supported him through his success until his midlife crisis where he pretty much delegated her to “starter wife” status and started an affair with a 20 year old Tracey Claudus who he married and lived the rest of his life with. One would be tempted to say that his wife and his mother both having the same maiden name was an Oedipal complex and certainly he needed a strong, matronly character to push him toward success only to think he needed a younger weaker character to nurse him in his old age.
aww that's kind of sad actually
@@wellesradio YIKES
@@StoutShako That's life though. It's not a good guy/bad guy thing. We're all human. We can be wonderful and total jerks from one moment to the next. I can see myself in Schulz's shoes. He found religion, but was never a jerk about it. He suffered from depression right to his last dying day and had many crises of faith. I saw a documentary where a friend said he used to watch "Citizen Kane" almost every day in his old age. That tells you something.
And it's not like he left his first wife destitute. Believe me, she earned that huge divorce settlement and house. Speaking of which, they both spent many years building a big home which became something of a local attraction, raising a family, and really they each found fulfillment in many things. Sadly, one of those things wasn't their marriage. And I hope it didn't come off like I was trashing his second wife, Tracey, when I said "weaker". Perhaps I should have said more demure. She was with him to the end.
A few months ago, I was listening to one of those recordings of Amber Heard berating Johnny Depp when I felt overcome by deja vu. "Where have I observed this dynamic before?" I wondered. Then it hit me: This was Lucy Van Pelt, all grown up and gacked out of her mind, ripping on Charlie Brown.
The switch with Charlie and Lucy makes sense when you read about Schulz. He had side pieces before his first divorce. He ended relationships he really loved and although he remarried, you can tell he longed for the past.
I never knew she was married 2X.
I read the early strips and i have to admit that Lucy was a much more likeable and funny character .
I know right. And her crush on Charlie Brown made her more endearing.
I also read the original comics, but I read them on my phone
The show makes her look bad she’s just insecure plus she’s kinda sweet lololo
Yep
@@Snoopproducts85236 its you lol
Peanut fans knew this . Though we weren't there at the beginning, we read all the early books. Fact its thankful that the strip ended with Schultz . And no other cartoonist could change it.
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I know this is two years since your comment, but I'd like to tell you that our "timeline/dimension/probability" or whatever you wanna call it, has shifted. In _this_ timeline, Charles Schultz is *now* Charles _Schulz_ . The t vanished from his name in this reality! He was ALWAYS Charles Schultz for me, just as you typed it. But now, his name is Charles Schulz.
@@shnook8484 WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
@@shnook8484 Drugs are bad, mmmkay?
@@8bitneslife1985 that's why you shouldn't do them.
I'm surprise you didn't talk about the early cast that faded away before the classic era - like Shermy or Charlotte Braun (or even Violet and Patty who stuck around longer without vanishing completely but were much more prominent to begin with.)
Charlotte Braun Was A Pain In The Neck
I'm glad they removed her
shermy never disappeared he just went form being a main character to being a background character
To be honest I kind of agree!
Honestly, this could be it’s own video.
Yeah, Lucy was often treated badly in early comics. I think that’s why she became so rude
She took on the personality of Charlotte Braun once that character was literally axed off
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Axed off for being "unlikable" only to possess Lucy for the duration of the comic.
@@greggasiorowski1326 Charlotte Braun was killed and her soul possessed Lucy. New headcanon accepted.
@@EssexAggiegrad2011 The Early Peanuts during the “Lil Folks” era 1949-1953, was kinda cynical and jaded. As the mid 50s rolled in and as it got its new branding and name, it got more Quaint and Sarcastic.
@@plawson8577 I prefer my headcanon
Lucy was a baby along with Schroeder when introduced into the strip. In order to bring in Linus, Shultz aged up Lucy and Schroeder, just like Charlie Brown was aged up to be the age of Patty, Violet, and Shermy when Lucy and Schroeder were brought in. Long story short, this was why Lucy started off speaking babyish. Another indicator to show her younger than Charlie Brown before being aged up to the age of the others and act as the bossy older sister to Linus, Lucy was a fan of Romper Room.
Seeing those earliest strips made me realize I never really put an age on Charlie Brown. It's almost as if he's stylistically portrayed to be not much more than a baby to reflect his own inner sense of helplessness.
As a child in the sixties, I have very fond memories of the comic books, paperbacks and toy tie-ins. There is a part of me that finds the early Peanuts very endearing as CB was a much happier kid and the other kids all seemed to like him. However once he became manic, I started to relate to him more and more. The Peanuts and more importantly Charles Schulz will always have a very special place in my heart, so much so I even have a couple of Snoopy tattoos.
In the beginning most of the characters were young kids, some as young as an infant, originally charlie brown was four, lucy was a two year old baby, her brother was a year old
During the art 🖼️ style of the Peanuts comic strips everyone changed including Violet’s hair going from having pigtails in her hair to being a bun
I feel privileged to have read some of Schultz's early works that not everyone is aware of. Imagine Peanuts being older, taller and somewhat wiser. It depicted the daily lives of College Students instead of young Children. Some of it was even politically focused with topics about War, Protests, Strikes and Personal Hardships. The books belonged to one of my older siblings, but were considered part of the Family Library as common reading material. I don't recall any specific names of characters like Peanuts has. It was more about being serious than being funny.
There was one strip around 1975,where snoopy tried to give a speech,but at the time,people were protesting about dogs being sent to Vietnam,this was around 1975,when the Vietnam war was still raging,so snoopy got bombarded by tear gas,so he thought that people were protesting about his speech. I bet when he got home,Charlie brown was so worried about him he told sally that snoopy would be sleeping inside.
One of the big reasons Peanuts was so successful for so many years was that Schultz developed his characters extremely well over time, which includes the early drawing style. With the exception of the misstep with early Lucy's eyes, I really like that early drawing style for the characters. Of course, I like the later stylistic drawing development too.
In this timeline, Charles Schultz is now Charles Schulz . The t vanished from his name! He was ALWAYS Charles Schultz for me, just as you typed it. But now, his name is Charles Schulz.
@@shnook8484 His name is Sparky.
My niece gave me an early Peanuts comic from the 50's. On the cover Snoopy (still looking like a regular dog) is coloured brown. To think of it, it kind of makes sense. As most beagle's are brown.
Early 50s charlie brown: happiness
Today charile brown: depressed
He also didn’t take patty and violets mean girl behavior
@@trunksvert8766 They were both his earliest love interests... see my post to annabelvanpelt
I've had a paperback book of these early Peanuts strips and I have always loved those early ones even better than the well known Peanuts drawings and strips. The early ones are funnier. I also like the artwork better.
As lifelong Peanuts fan, I knew this. Sparky Schulz had to find his way, I think, for the first few years, to reach what he was striving for. Probably have the entire run in book form. The strip became somewhat repetitive in it's last decade, but we still loved it. ♥️❤️❤️🥜🥜🥜
Sparky was planning on Quitting in 3 different Years: 1958,1967, 1979, but he was talked out of it each time. He was already planning on finally hanging it up alongside Jim Davis in 1999, when he soon got the Cancer Diagnosis.
Very insightful video! Had no clue how much Peanuts evolved over time. The early ones actually seem very Little Rascals -esque (a series of short films from the 1920s-1940s ) As a matter of fact, I’ve even heard that Charles Schulz used The Little Rascals as inspiration for Peanuts, which wouldn’t be too far fetched, given the similarities between the two
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Schroeder, Lucy, and Linus have all gone full blown Mr. Hyde! XD
Just as some people prefer Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck when they stopped being animals, people tend to think of the "classic" era of "Peanuts" as the 1960s when the characters stopped being children and inhabited an essentially parentless world. In the '50s they were quirky, but they were still children. What was truly odd is the way some characters entered the strip as babies or toddlers, yet they all ended up the same age.
I'm surprised you didn't include the sequences in 1954 that showed adults in a Peanuts strip, albeit from the chest down when Lucy and Charlie Brown compete in a golf tournament. Schulz had an unwritten rule never to include adults in any of the strips, but he made a rare exception in '54. I also remember a daily from the 50s which showed an adult's hand placed flat on a counter, it may have been a movie usher.
It was a store clerk. Cool that somebody else remembers an unusual. There was also one where Lucy's mom is voiced "offstage," telling her to pick up her sweater
This is doubtless also the reason Miss Othmar is voiced by a wah-wah trumpet in the specials!
This reminds me of season 1 the loud house,where the loud parents were never shown by their faces,shame their animation design,references to peanuts and all that went down the drain,essentially.🙁🙁
How the hell does this only have 3K views? It’s so high quality dude!
I think people care more for his Hazbin Hotel dubs rather then this
@@princepsychic2078 What's up with Hazbin Hotel?
eh
I was a Peanuts fan when I was a little kid, in the early 70s. But I didn't really read the strip in the newspaper. Instead I got the paperback reprints of the strips, so I was really reading a lot of the 1960s strips at the time, and maybe some late 50s strips. I was thrilled many years later to read the earliest strips from the beginning, even if they were rather different. They're very much historical artifacts.
I was truly surprised to discover the Dell comics, though. But I only discovered those much more recently. Far too late to have any impact on my childhood! :-)
I loved old Peanuts and read them all.
I'm really unhappy with the way the show completely disregarded the canon that had been built up to that point. There was a whole episode where linus and sally were by charlie brown's side when he got snoopy for the first time, but in the comics snoopy was around long before linus was even born, let alone sally.
The cartoons aren't canon
Strangely, originally, Snoopy wasn't even Charlie Brown's dog, he was more like a stray who played with all the kids in the neighbourhood (Like Petey in the Our Gang/Little Rascals franchise), also, for most of the strip's life, he was said to be an "only puppy" with no brothers or sisters... later, he got an entire litter of sibblings.
@@faithfulinjesus Neither are the strips; the later ones often contradicted the early ones
@@shoknifeman2mikado135like how late loud house completely removed the references to peanuts unlike early loud house,for season one,which is my favourite,it was a lot like peanuts in the sixties and seventies. It’s such a shame they completely removed their original references to peanuts and it’s style. Also,this is a tangent,but I would love a peanuts,loud house crossover,and to see them interacting and communicating would be great.what do you think if the loud house and peanuts did a crossover series,
@@shoknifeman2mikado135 I wouldn't really say Snoopy used to be a "stray." He still had a collar, and he appeared to be living in various kids' houses instead of always roaming the streets. I think Schulz just wasn't sure who Snoopy should belong to yet.
I actually read this big ass book collecting the early years of peanuts and it's genuinely so weird feeling in the best way possible, like seeing the early artstyle and how Charlie Brown was pretty much almost a side character being that younger kid Patty and Shermy hung out with.
Also something i noticed, the older younger kids were kind of assholes to Charlie, Charlie ended up being kind of an asshole to the other kids especially Lucy, and in the end Lucy ended up also becoming an asshole, it's not one way or linear either and i think it actually explains a lot about Peanuts' world.
Also i actually really preferred the Artstyle of the 1950s version.
This brings back some happy memories for me. I discovered some paperback collections of older Peanuts strips in my school library in the early 70's, and was amazed at how different they were from what I knew. I can no longer remember what year they were from, but they were the original character design. I loved reading them back then, and really wish I had them now.
The final years of the Peanuts newspaper strips became pretty sad. Schulz appeared to drop the child characters altogether and focused on Snoopy's brother "Spike" and the "woodstock" birds, all living out in the desert. They weren't very funny, in fact they were quite witless. The 60s and early 70s were by far the best years for Peanuts. Some of those strips were inspired.
In the final years, some of the strips featuring Rerun Van Pelt were excellent in my opinion.
i think it's because whatever it was that Schulz had (Parkinson's?) that made his line so shaky. He really couldn't draw anymore and the strip was running on fumes, I think for the last 20 years. I notice it now even as far back as the 70s that his drawing was beginning to deteriorate. I pretty much stopped following it in the late 70s, and when I bought the Complete Peanuts volumes I only bought up to around 1972-73. I still love and re-read the stuff up till then, but every strip has its golden period, and Peanuts was no different.
Charlie Brown's friend was Violet, who hung out with Patty. Lucy was a little kid they put up with, and Linus was a baby.
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Well, I didn't plan on sleeping tonight
I knew about and had read the earliest PEANUTS comic strips, but had no idea there were ever PEANUTS comic books. Personally, I regret that Schulz didn't want anyone else ever to continue the strip, because I think the high quality of the PEANUTS MOVIE and HAPPINESS IS A WARM BLANKET, CHARLIE BROWN show that it would have been possible for someone else to carry the strip forward in a way that honored Schulz's best work and intentions. So I'm glad if this is being done in other media like comic books.
Have to disagree. "Peanuts" was basically Charlie Schulz. In long term, other's efforts haven't been quite the same.
I agree with oliver brown as well, why didn’t Schulz want anyone to continue the magnum opus that peanuts is,it’s like he threw in the towel,mind you,he was already at deaths door,so I understand he couldn’t write the strip,but his family definitely could write the strip for him after that,after all,they know how to write peanuts,they’re his family,after all. I mean look at the peanuts cartoons and the peanuts movie.and the kaboom comic strips.
The robot story isn't very Peanuts. The only fantastical characters should be Snoopy, Woodstock, and Snoopy's family. Charlie Brown was out of character he would pull pranks and be a little sassy on occasion but not do all of that. At least it was just a dream.
Wow, that was quite interesting! I knew the artstyle changed but I didn't realize this much was different from today's Peanuts, Lucy and Charlie Brown especially. Great video!
Yikes, that monster panel too...
Peanuts was nuch bigger as a kid in the 70s. There just wasnt that much to choose from so of course it was loved by all ages.
Lucy having a crush on Charlie brown. No wonder she wants him to kick the football so much. But its more cuter than The Little Red Haired Girl in a way lol
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You know I'm here right?
Why are you A Pucca???
There were strips as late as 1965 where Lucy hinted that she still had secret feelings for Charlie Brown. He ALWAYS rejected her, maybe her hatred of him came out of that.
@@shoknifeman2mikado135 She ALWAYS had a crush on Charlie Brown.
There’s even R34 where Adult Charlie Brown Hate Fucks Adult Lucy Van Pelt.
My favourite Peanuts ran from 1955 to 1975... They make me feel so good inside.
the peanuts comic book is probably the reason why sparky didn't want anyone drawing and writing the strip when he died
Yeah,the mechanical maniac one is a mess.that’s maybe why Schulz didn’t want anyone else to work on the strip.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I usta have a paperback book of reprints of the strip from the 1950 beginnings spanning a couple of years. I dunno what became of it. But I love Peanuts and Charles M. Shultz! It was such a better time in America! Now, I'm a groan up and speak trumpet. Thanks, again.
I always thought lucy had a crush on charlie brown too along with the piano kid, she acted mean at points but she still always hung around him
Yes, part of her hatred of him seemed to come from his complete rejection of her when she had a "Baby crush" on him.
@@shoknifeman2mikado135 Lucy’s Crush on Charlie Brown remained, it just evolved more into a Cynical “I’m a Shrew and you’re supposed to think I’m pretty and Call me Cute” Crush.
It just goes to show that we all have to start somewhere.
Looking foreword to future Peanuts videos as this one was very informative.
Bought the complete collection 1950-52 recent just waiting for it to turn up, have any of those weird comics like the story with the robot ever been reprinted?
*forward (Not "foreword". It sounds the same, but means something different.) I'm compulsive about spell-checking.
When going over the “Not quite right” bootlegs, he should’ve put those T-shirts of “my name is charle brown” and “PEANUS” in too
In the earlier strips the characters were much younger like 3-4 but in the later 60s to present theyre at least 9 years old
8, actually
Talk about "weird Peanuts"... anybody remember the story where Charlie Brown developed a baseball mental complex (I guess from having the losingest team) that manifested a skin rash, making the back of his head look like a baseball? He started wearing a paper bag over his head to hide the rash, went away to a summer camp to get over his "issue" and the other kids started calling him Mr. Sack. Ironically, he actually gained some respect, despite the sack. I always wondered what inspired that story.
That was a 1973 daily strip story arc. It was one of Schulz's personal favorites. He even tipped his hat to MAD magazine in the final panel, because he was always amused at how often they parodied his characters in so many different ways...
@Barry I. Grauman Right, because the sun rose as a baseball before his complex... then rose as Alfred E. Neuman at the end, much to Charlie Brown's dismay.
This was a great video! Regarding Snoopy's "thought balloons," though, I believe that the early strips featuring Snoopy's thoughts actually used thought balloons and not speech balloons. It's just that the drawing style was different. In the later style, speech was indicated by a pointy arrow to the speaker; the pointy arrow was replaced by a couple of bubbles to indicate unvoiced thoughts. But in the earlier style, thoughts were indicated by making the main part of the balloon "cloudy," by giving it a wiggly perimeter rather than a smooth perimeter.
Artists always perfect and evolve beloved characters they draw over and over.
There was an odd story where Lucy briefly became a champion golf player, and an odd girl called Charlotte Braun...
Since the early strips had a lot of the main characters a lot younger, you can consider the transition to “modern peanuts” a timeskip. Charlie Brown is the One Piece of America confirmed
It's pretty mind-boggling to think that there was a time that "Peanuts" was not popular enough to have their own comic book, and had to be relegated to the back pages of a "Nancy" comic book.
2:56 I’ve been clinically depressed since I was 10 and I feel this when seeing old videos of myself from when I was little.
Schultz once depicted them as teenagers in a book my father brought home on his travels. (Not a comic, but a collection.) He also brought home those dolls you see at the beginning of this vid. I still have Snoopy and Linus. The big heads may have been done in the style of Miss Peach. Those were VERY funny.
Those demonic peanuts characters gave me nightmares. Thanks, Tip Top Comics!
Blake angrily ranting about the shitty peanuts comic near the end of the video was gold lol
I still remember this really odd coincidence where, several years ago, I was reading one of the Kaboom comic books, and I came across a reprinted comic that I had seen in the Sunday paper just a few weeks prior.
Interesting. Schulz really improved. I was wandering what is the peanuts animated cartoon he shows for a second where charlie brown sells comic books
Loved those earlier books , he drew them really funny became an instant fan . Snoopy was always my favorite, Dog can do anything !!
Great video! Peanuts debuted in only 7 newspapers. Wikipedia has 9 newspapers for some reason [citation needed, it admits], but the real number is, in fact, seven: The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, Star Tribune of Minneapolis, The Morning Call (Allentown, PA), Bethlehem Globe-Times (PA), The Denver Post, and The Seattle Times. [Johnson, Rheta Grimsley. Good Grief!: The Story of Charles M. Schulz. New York: Pharos Books, 1989, pg. 26]
Why don't you submit the correction, along with the citation, to Wikipedia?
On a side note, Lucy wasn't the first character to yank the football away from Charlie Brown: Violet was
Yup!
Came from the peanuts subreddit! Great video!
I personally think they all look cuter in the early strips, especially Snoopy. I had all of these strips in a collection as a kid from the school library closing.
I really don’t know why but Pig-Pen being a big rock-n-roll fan just fits his character
The early art style was so cute 🥺
My parents had all the early Peanuts books (bina-fide CS compilation paperback books, not pulp comics) when I was a young child, @ 4 yo. I was fascinated by them and I'm sure my mother read them to me. Eventually I began checking them out on my own. Mom also revealed to me that, at bedtime, I would tell myself stories she referred to as "The Peanuts and Baby Monster," the latter being myself. I especially recall CB crying, "AARRRGGGHHH!" in frustration and feeling pleased that I could decode this unusual word. I liked reading other books, too, but The Peanuts were always my favorites. Overall, The Peanuts and Charles Schultz did not talk down to readers, which made the strip a brilliant gem.
On my first day in Kindergarten, I walked in, saw the books there, and wondered, "Can I read those?" In fact I could.
...on another Peanuts note: *please,* Blake, can you find the Peanuts strip in which Linus is showing off his "clam-diggers"? These are a kind of striped shorts in light cotton (Indian cotton I think) extending halfway down the thigh. I was a child but I NEVER forgot this fashion term--or the comic!
Don't forget "3" and "4" who have a cameo in A Charlie Brown Christmas, but have been lost through time!
And their big brother "5" - the kid with the crewcut that looks like a mohawk
It's weird how every one of the three VanPelt kids went through a baby phase whole everyone else stayed the same age.
Snoop was a pup and he grew up. My favorite of the entire cast
I never knew about those early comic books. It’s a little surprising that Schulz sanctioned such a counterfeit version of Peanuts, since he was so protective of the strip itself.
I related to Charlie and loved Linus and Peppermint Patty because they were the only ones who treated Charlie like an equal.
On the comic books, the same thing happened with Chas Addams' Addams Family. I imagine the comics were probably more faithful to the 1970s Hanna Barbera cartoon than Addams' New Yorker strips.
I grew up in the 80s. I was exposed to both the then modern Peanuts (and animated specials still being run), and the original version.
My grandma had a bunch of old comic strip paperbacks, including most of the paperback releases of the early Peanuts.
To this day, I have a soft spot for the original. I overall like the original better (when they are all younger). As iconic as the more well known versions of these characters are, I think the original was a smarter strip.
They all started out as babies except for Sherman....patty and Charlie Brown
2:19 - Baby Lucy is the reason why I like to call pajamas "sleepies".
A buddy of mine had some of the early Peanuts comic books. I got a kick out of Snoopy referring to Charlie Brown as "The round headed kid." Of course, that was decades ago. I wonder how much those old comics would be worth today?
So was early Garfield. Not as lovably cute as he became.
Still recall a character in Homestuck having a sword based on the snoopy icecone maker
Early Peanuts we're different, sure, but I liked them. They were charming.
Actually there was an episode in the Charlie Brown and Snoopy show where Snoopy meets a robot and the two end up trying to control each other - maybe that robot dream comic stripe served as inspiration for that episode.
I used to love watching Charlie Brown's The Great Pumpkin and Charlie Brown Christmas. I grew up watching them every year in the 80's. I had no idea they were produced way back in 1965 and 1966. My father watched the same cartoon when he was 11 years old. Wild.
What I liked was the existential angst of Charlie Brown and the rejection of the krass commercial commodification of the world as expressed by Linus and Charlie Brown. I loved it because I was a very precious child who dispised how kids were normally depicted on TV in the 60s
I still remember Lucy and Charlie Brown walking down the sidewalk. And Lucy freaking out over a piece of Fuzz. (I'm assuming it was a caterpillar) So it starts moving. Charlie is shouting it's a bug, Lucy yelling it's piece of fuzz. They both start walking back home afterwords. Lucy saying "Fuzz, brrrr". It was funny and cute at the same time.
I got a whole archive of the comics from the beginning. I've bing read them a couple of times so I already know how different it was at the beginning xD I'm not sure what I expected to learn
I always LOVED the early Peanuts! Loved the art style (which has come back around in vogue), loved the characterizations of Snoopy and Charlie Brown being older than Lucy and the others. You forgot to mention that. In the original, Charlie is a few years older than Lucy. She is depicted as being in pre-school/kindergarten while he is hovering around the second grade. In terms of children that’s quite an age gap! He even baby sits her! I wish they would bring back new cartoons of this version.
The robot story looked awesome
Auggghhh! There's no *T* in Schulz! He was not the Sergeant in Hogan's Heroes.
peanuts is depressing but at the same time funny and enjoyable
Correction: Snoopy sleeps ON the Doghouse, never in it.
The changes go with lifelike transitions.
Nice video! Thank god this video and this channel appeared in my home feed! You have a lot of potential my friend! I wish you great amounts of happiness and success! :)
2:55 Funny how being the GOAT is now better then being a hero
I think "Mechanical Maniac" is a great example of "Peanuts" as a horror comic!
lol
I used to read this oldest version of the penuts comics when I was a kid.
btw no I am not that old. I am 21, a 2000's kid.
But as a kid and even now, I go to the library a lot and one time checked out the book of these old peanuts comics.
Great times. :) 😊
I’m happy with the shinning jokes
My sister had that Snoopy snow cone maker you showed at the beginning of the video
actually, I quite like the original peanuts. the drawing style and writing was different than the later strips, but a LOT of fun.
That's because those him when he was 4 in the comics this redesign makes him look like he's 18 but I still don't get how's Charlie Brown not age
I was Snoopy twice for Halloween. Around kindergarten.
6:51 Wait a minute
Those are the same characters that try to kill Charlie Brown in
Bring me the head of Charlie Brown
Wow, i haven't seen Peanuts in decades, since i was little. I love Peanuts animation.
As a child I had a Peanuts comic book dated 1950. I wish I had kept it!