Do you know any country to ''have''' death for free? Your problem isn't that the death isnt free. Your problem is that you are turkish and you want to hate our country to all sections
@@Vvaskar01 you got triggered for no reason, they only said that not even death is free not anything bad for our country in contrary you make us look bad
Due to the economy it's hard enough to live in Greece, but exorbitant burial costs, limited cemetery space, and endless bureaucracy make dying almost as difficult.
+Eva Lily I'm sorry but a retirement age of 57 is just not feasible. Lazy people in Greece wanted it and got it. Of course after 2010 they changed it to age 67 but the damage is done. It's their own damn fault, not the youth though. They're screwed sadly :(
I think this is the right place to say that in Greece, state and church are not separated. That means that every Greek citizen pays the church via taxes. The church has a fortune of trillions of euros and is involved in many scandals. This is why, I think it is outrageous that we have to pay to be baptized, married and buried. I wish we could be cremated, but the church doesn't let that happen either. Religion is unfortunately all about money.
Agreed. Organised mainstream religion is all about control and money. This is why i favour pagan religions as they can be worshiped to whatever degree you're comfortable with, especially nowadays when pagan religions are seen as near insignificant by the state (Greek gov doesn't see Ancient Greek pagan beliefs as a religion) which means no money and corruption is with it.
You guys should see some of the crypts here in NYC. In a crowded city, you have cemeteries filled with giant crypts that look like big luxurious mansions for the deceased. It's scary how even in death, people want to show off status...
ARVIN what about the philiphines. I saw a documentary where there people who live in the cemetries have build shelters among the tombs yet in the same country the rich cemetry have been designed like amodern house with kitchen feels like you are in a fivestar hotel n not a cemerty
Japan when from 50% cremation to 90% in about between 1950 to 1980, and it's practically 100% now. All I'm trying to say is solution is easy to find as long as you are willing to accept it.
A little thought for everybody who may find it interesting: Death has become a business like any else. Around the world exist doctors who have little interest in double or tripple checking if a person who is clinically dead is really dead. There are numerous cases where people came back to life after death. Their little problem was when they woke up they were at that time buried 7 feet under. What do you want to do? Old, helpless, burried and slowly you realise what is going on until the inevitable happens. As death has become a source of profit there are doctors paid by funeral companies that if death occures he will call them to arrive at the scene and arrange the funeral. They mostly do not care too if the person may eventually awake and in some cases and just to make sure they expedite the whole process to get the (maybe) dead person as fast as possible under the soil and cash the check. Not everybody is like that but what do you know who is going to be your company of trust? Like if anybody ever wrote a review on how good he was buried or how well he spent his time in the coffin. Then there is the aspect of money. Some people should learn that money is not a thing of life. It is a thing of taxes. Check yourself how much money a single bank note generates throu a day. You`ll be amazed if you already didn`t know that even the smalles bank note generates in one day way more money to the state as it`s actual value printed on the front and back. But that is a different story. I mean you cannot measure values by money that cannot be measured with money. If you feel bad about yourself for example not being able to pay for the most expensive funeral then you need to restart your view on values. A person who you lived with and cared about has left for good. What can money do to help that person after death? What good is a piano black and gold deluxe 1st class coffin to a dead person? Nothing. It is the memories you keep. Every person will live after death as long as there is at least one person alive who can remember the one that left. No money can buy that. Now some reasonable facts. If you have to move. You get evicted, you find a new job far away or whatever reason. What do you do with a grave? Do you move the dead with you? No. Will you feel bad if you cannot visit that grave more often because of the distance? Probably. If you keep the ashes or disperse them into the ocean, river or plant a tree somewhere and fertilize the soil with it or whatever you please then you have little to none attachement to a specific place. Except that tree thing I mentioned. That may be a dealbreaker. But that is not the point. It is all in our head only. In fact we are a bunch of micro organisms. Our true "self" is only our mind. Our body is just a visual representation of our mind. We have bacteria inside our body, outside our body, lots of organs work for no particular reason and we do nothing in our power to control them. We don`t tell lungs to breathe, we don`t tell the heart to beat, liver to filter, stomach to process food... that is at least what we call it. Heck we know what our stomach would rather call food. We never asked :) all those organs just work on their own. But lets get back to the point - People need to talk about death with those who mean something to them. People managed travel to the moon, magnify up to millions of percent and what not. But dealing with things like that seems sometimes like an unsolvable problem. It is hard the first time but it gets easier. In the end it becomes "sorted out". It won`t make it easier when the time comes, but it definetly will make you prepared. Ready. Ready to accept and deal with the situation. ...And as far as the church goes I have nothing to say because I could not care less what the church has to say about it. Those people are so detached from real life... pffffft it is not even worth the free and unpaid comment space on TH-cam. I mean if you belive in whatever it is totally fine by me untill I don`t have to deal with it. Bottom line - I did not mean to offend anybody. If you don`t like what I wrote then just skip it. All this was just a little something to think about and start your own process of evaluation. Maybe this can help somebody to start thinking differently and maybe this can lead to a first chat about the toppic with those that should be the partners in communication. Wish you all a good one.
Greece has a small official population in relation with its land area. However Greece has a very strong urbanism. Nearly half of the Greek population is in Athens, Piraeus and the surrounding suburbs. Also the 80% of the Greek population lives in big cities. That urbanism didn't occur gradually and the population of big Greek cities and especially Athens exploded mostly in three decades between 1950-1980. The infrastructure of the old cemeteries was suitable for a much smaller population. A solution would be the construction of new cemeteries but that is very unpopular by the public because areas close to cemeteries are depreciated. Greek Orthodox Church forbids the burning of the dead. The priests of the Greek church don't have any direct political power in Greece. However they can greatly influence the opinion of Greek voters and that makes politicians and political parties very nervous. That why the burning of dead isn't possible in Greece.
Nah, that's not even remotely true. If it were, then why do they do the same in small old villages? We buried my grandmother in 2016, and now we are forced to take her out. Not just that, but we have to pay 50€/y to have ONE of her bones in a box next to the cemetery, but all her other bones will be thrown away. Also, I remember, around 15y ago, the guy that used to go around houses to collect those 50€ for these boxes, died, and so the priest decided that he would be collecting that money, but you'd have to go by his house. You see, my grandmother didn't know about that, so when some time went by, and she went and asked about it, the priest told her: oh you didn't come to pay when it was due, to my house? Then the bones of your entire family are thrown in the trash! So yeah, we all know that it's all about money, and only money. The cemeteries are fucking small, and for bigger population than what the villages are now. But it was always like this, from the beginning. My grandparents village had 4.000 people, now it barely has 400. So, there's NO EXCUSE for having to dig out my grandmother, 6 years after her death. Of course, now that we will dig her out, we will have to pay money for that box, so the church, will earn money per year...
He looks so cool and different, but I can tell you he is the same shit politician like everyone else. In Greece there is no way a good person works in politics.
This price is cheaper than the one in Hong Kong. Here, the box are so limited such that some people did buy the box long before they actually die. Some other even trade these boxes and earn a great deal of momoney.
I know Vice has gone to shit but there are still a few nice one's. I actually enjoyed this documentary. Before this I didn't even know they used to ban cremation in Greece. And I really like the reporter, very down to earth.
+Mahtlahtli No! It has gone shit. They produce a lot of garbage videos. I used to watch every video they made nowadays I hardly watch one or two videos.
Mahtlahtli Nope. Talking about quality and diversity. Covering interesting things that couldn't be found in other media. Today I rarely see anything that I can't watch pretty much everywhere else.
awful that this happens. once a person is buried they should be left there not dug up countless times and the families made to pay money constantly, that will be such a burden for anyone, financially as welll as emotionally. i really hope this changes tor the greek people.
Here's an easy solution: 1.) Burn Body 2.) Mix Ashes With Cement, etc. 3.) Make Mold for Monument, etc. 4.) Pour into Mold 5.) Wait for it to harden. (lol) 6.) Burial Problem Solved
It's a tiny and very ancient country. Can't they do the math? Most of the rest of Europe has dealt with this. This gets them no sympathy for their other troubles. The USA should be limiting them, too. Far too much of our best land is covered with poisonous cemeteries.
In my opinion, it is absolutely disgusting that people actually have the nerve to make fat money off of grieving families. They should be ashamed of themselves! No one should EVER have to pay to have their loved ones put to rest! Disgusting system and people!
That's really sad to know there are people who can't rest peacefully. In Myanmar here, funeral services are offered free of charge by many charities. You don't have to worry about a thing, coffin or religious practices. Theyd all done it.
There is a village in Indonesia where they live with the dead for up to even 20 yrs..The coffin is right there in the living room n open and when they bury them they dig them up during family events to attend
Why not just give your body to medical colleges? People would appreciate and remember you in a better way. And you will die knowing your body was at least used for a better cause!
+50sacrifice they use those bodies for years. They can't all go to science not even a large fraction it would overwhelm them to the point where they'd start charging to have a body donated.
+Adam S Chabane Nope, YOU are wrong. They do use bodies for years; sometimes parts are kept indefinitely (with consent). Body donation isn't as simple as people think it is, and even when you register to donate your body upon death, there is still no guarantee that it will be accepted. If they can't get your body quickly enough after dying, they won't accept it. If the coroner or ME is involved, they won't accept it. If your your organs aren't intact (think cancer), they won't accept it. If you have an infectious disease, they won't accept it. If you're obese, they won't accept it. If you die in a traumatic accident or by suicide, they won't accept it. Everyone donating their body to science isn't a viable solution. I'm a funeral director and have had individuals ask for advice on body donation, thinking it's a guaranteed solution. Not so. Look up some body donation programs and you will see that it's not as simple as you think.
+50sacrifice That is an option I guess. Many people like knowing where at least a part of their relative is buried however. I guess especially if you are religious. It gives people some small comfort sometimes.
Davidson Maene Socialism? In a muslim country? Where Islam dictates the social, political and cultural rules? Get out of here ignorant. Learn something before start spitting stupidities.
My grandma's funeral - in Oklahoma - cost about $28,000 US or €26500. Funerals are a racket. This renting of plots is more Greek big government red tape. You'd think the people would get fed up with this stuff at some point, but... oxi.
Koivu have you ever been to Greece ? If not then stop spread shit . You met some Greeks in the Internet that doesht mean that all the Greeks are just like that
You are defenitely not european cause they are not dumb and you hate Greece so that makes you arabic or turkish. In both situations i feel sorry for you.
Gen 3:19 “For dust thou art and unto dust thou shall return.” I see no reason for this argument over cremation. The Bible is clear that no matter what has afflicted your physical body you will be resurrected.
So they're opposed to methods other than those in line with Christian traditions because of their faith. I'd feel more sympathy if it were over, y'know, a good reason.
most people in Greece are not even religious (especially the younger generations) and there are plenty of people here that hate the Church (even devout Christians). the most proper burials happen in the small countryside communities (e.g. villages) with the dead remaining in their graves and the costs kept low. my grandparents were buried that way and what costed them the most was the Christian ceremony which can be avoided. this means cremation could also be avoided if people didn't want to bury themselves in the city graveyards where overpopulation and lack of space obstruct decent burial. the Church opposes cremation for their own reasons though so please do yourself a favor and don't believe whatever you see on these well-directed, mainstream media propaganda "documentaries".
Keep in mind though that the Church and the State are not separate in Greece, so the Church has a say in anything, even education. So opposition to the Church is not easy
@@johnenglish8461 Religions only do good to masquerade the true evil that they are.It's ridiculous to say that religion did more good than harm. People sponsor the church every day by donations (required payment or you go in hell). Every single verse the church has taught us, is a control tactic, be it through fear, sadness, greed or joy. It's a trap. The whole idea behind every religion reminds of something I've witnessed traveling to the US. For Americans this may not make any sense but for some Europeans it sure will... USA is not just a Christian state. The american patriotism is a religion on its own. Every business organization, every political organization, every government organization is using that ideology to manipulate you into doing pretty much anything. "True Americans buy this" "If you are a true american, vote for...."Live the american dream", while 1/3 of the country lives near or below the poverty line. If anything, religion is the worst enemy of humanity. Religion is not a belief system, it's just another organization. People should be free to believe in god without the need for institution, without the need to donate for millennia. Greece is one of the countries in the world with most churches and chapels per capita in the world. Only the island of Mykonos hosts a whopping number of 600-800, with probably over 500.000 throughout all Greece.Huge part of them built from public donations. No taxes. Just around my home there are 3 or 4 churches. A 200-meter radius. Why? It looks more like money laundering scheme to me.
The first crematorium in Greece will open in the city of Patras and let's hope that this tragic situation of overcrowded cemeteries and high priced ceremonies will finally come to an end.
@@Lukas-rw7ok They had a problem getting ownership of the area that they chose. Eventually they did but that delayed the project until now. Since it's a public project there needs to be a public procurement which will obviously delay it a bit further. So i don't see it being ready until 2026-2027. Thankfully, in 2019 a crematorium outside of Athens began operating and it has huge success.
graves are simply a waste of fucking space, think of the stuff you could build on the huge spaces that cemetries take and with the money they gobble up, you can make a hospital to prevent at least some of these deaths
+PoljoYT I agree but i guess there's the religous side of this. Or even simply "respect" to the dead, i'm completely honest i'd prefer my son/wife to be burried somewhere i can go instead of cremating her or something like this. I guess it depends on people, this is my opinion! (sorry for my bad english i'm not native)
2 years later...this year we buried my half sister's mother.what was most saddening was that there was a large number of graves in the 3rd cemetery who were buried at the feet of other normal graves.those people were unnamed with just a number....
It's really expensive to die in America also but atleast we can choose what we want done regardless of our religion we can be have done with ourselves what we want.
religion or not, burial is still better than cremation (more eco-friendly, tied to local traditions, people have something to remember from their ancestors, benefits future historical research, etc) funny thing what costs the most about it is the Christian ceremony
that's the consequence of hosting the Olympics in 2004. I'm afraid that the cemeteries there in Greece will follow the footsteps of those cemeteries in the Philippines wherein there is a 5 year contract for a grave and after that contract the dead will be forcibly evicted
you can't even die without money. (is it against the law to be buried 6 feet under on your own property and have a tree planted on you) I'd rather have a tree onto of me than a slap of concrete and a bunch of rooting skeletal buddies all around. I want some peace and quite when I'm dead.
a very bad article about a very sensitive thing in Greece. Greeks pay because they want to honour their dead thats all it is. Talking about overpopulated graves in Athens simply happens because the population there is too high and there isnt any land to build graveyards. Who stops u at Greece to bury ur dead at ur village on the rest of Greece? Or even, who stops u to bury him without even paying a since euro? Like i said at start, a very bad article that talks about something that is inevitable, too many dead at a place with little room. Thats why people pay that much. And btw, paying for grave space costs everywhere, not only at Greece.
+Pyrros Gartzos So you shouldn't talk about things that are inevitable? You shouldn't report on things that happen in other places? I guess no one should bother reporting on the Paris attacks because that kind of thing happens in Mexico or Syria to.
+Dedfaction The number of lives lost around the whole world from bomb attacks, famine and etc are alot more than the paris attack for instance as u mentioned. But... its paris right? I havent seen anyone put an african nation flag or a syrian flag at his fb account, but for france... its france, although the dead werent that many. Now, for the specific article, u wanna get buried in a place where there is actually no place to bury u objectively. Thus u are going to pay for it. Its like real estate mate, u want a 100 sq meter house in New York, pay 300k dollars, u want a house 500 sq meter in a village called Kolopetinitsa in Greece, u pay 10k dollars. But u can live on both, like get burried on both places , expencive or free.This is inevidability. Hope u got it. This article is the same to me like talking about how high are the prices of buying a house in a major city comparing to a village. And u cant do anything about it.
The whole, fairly pointless 'changing your display picture to the French flag' business aside (I honestly thought it was fairly shallow), you can't say that something doesn't need to be reported if there's a worse version of it somewhere else. That's ludicrous. There's plenty of 'room' in Greece, its hardly densely populated, the issue is that it costs shitloads for the service, burial, casket etc
+Dedfaction As for the price of the butial service , since u mention it, it isnt obligatory. U can make a very decent funeral with no more than 400€, an amound that is fully covered by the Greek government if u file the documents. At the specific article i dont recall saying anything about it. I simply dont like the attitude of the article, an attitude which imo they present it like everyone pays a shitload of money to bury their dead. Here, usually people pay a little more, simply because they want to pay more. And this happens all around the world, not only at Greece. Shit, i could make the same article in all of the European countries. In all of them!!!!
'Shit, i could make the same article in all of the European countries. In all of them!!!!' That's fine, doesn't mean that they have to mention it whilst talking about Greece.
I love how at the end when he asked the Dr if he can cover the leg Dr was like yup go for it, all you. let that been in America he would have been like you need gloves a face mask and sign a waiver.
Dead is dead, don't waste money on it. Cremation is much cheaper, not so much in Greece but in neighboring countries, maybe cheaper to fly to Netherlands. Cost of cremation in Netherlands 849 euro. You can burry the ashes wherever you want (if no one is looking). Or just keep the urn on the fireplace.
Greece is a medium between First and Third World. Of course it is not First world, as it is less developed in fields like technology, internal economic production, incomes, wages and with a continuously corrupted State which mainly drags more and more from the common citizens while giving them back services of mediocre or even shity quality (like shity buses public transportation nowdays in Athens). It is also a country with few chances for private investments and initiatives. On the other hand, it has a very strong tourist economy (although with very low wages usually for its workers). It is a country with beautiful landscapes, islands, seas, mountains etc. Its people are not bad but they are a little bit idiot on some aspects (like people's private lives) because of traditionalism and conservatism. They also criticize easily everything (they are maybe some of the worst gossipers globally). This is usually more evident in rural areas of the country, including even the younger generations and in the urban neighbourhoods of big cities, because of more illiterate and poorer people. But generally it is not a country of bad extremes. Quality of life is surely lower than countries like Belgium, Netherlands, UK, France, Scandinavia or even Spain and Italy, but it is a society with a relatively calmer and slower pace of life. A society which doesn't have the same levels of crime and violence as other parts of the world (like the US or like cities in the UK). Let's say, it is a christian like edition of Middle East, without wars and upheavals of the latter and with better living conditions.
we have the same problem here in Malta, no crematorium so graves cost a fortune. But at least there's the excuse that this is like the fourth most densely populated place in the world so land is in short supply...
All my organs will be donated and the remains donated to medical research.. My joints will be cut off and shipped off to medical schools for students to practice joint replacement on a natural human body. I'm not sure what happens to the useless bits, but my death will have absolutely no cost to my family and hopefully my organs will help a few people out!
*I think it's gross that bodies are dug up after three years, just cremate everyone and done with it. I've never understood burials as the bodies rot into the ground and waterways causing pollution to wild animals who drink the water and eat crops which are using the water for their nutrients. People with diseases are laid to rest below ground and it's revolting *
The male presenter/interviewer is hot! I’m sorry I can’t help but look at good looking men! Plus even though I’m a straight female, I can appreciate a good looking woman also, before people moan at me!
i know this is horrible to say but I can't believe someone hasn't started a crematorium on a ship! They could pull up to a port collect the body go into international waters have a service with the family or not and bring back the ashes so much cheaper than shipping a body!
I just don't want to listen or think about death. I'm not entirely afraid of dying but the death decomposing process scares me, even though I do know I won't feel anything. But it just scares me. Just quite hard to see your loved ones are not around us or not in this world anymore. I still remember my grandfather who died in March 2014, I can't forget that incident tears fall out my eyes whenever I remember that he used to be a successful businessmen and quite supported his family. I am, from now not gonna think about death anymore.
Our bodies are just food for the worms, people. We don't need all this. All that money of the family of a diseased person could go to much more important causes.
Genesis 3, 19..... " in the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, until you return to the ground you were taken.For dust you are and to dust you shall return". So no matter how you lived or how you died, we all return to dust.....
+Dozier Games That's what I was thinking. Sure you may want some place to remember your loved ones but are you really going to pay 1000 euros every 3 years and deal with all this bullshit so they can have some fancy headstone? Just find a nice spot in the woods.
It has everything to do with Religion. They don't want to give up their nice place in the cemetery because they think they are at rest in an afterlife....that's even more mental.
Man I feel bad for Greece.... may you guys recover from the crisis! 🇬🇷
Pfff we already did
Ryan Ong sadly we never will we are a dying nation 😔
Tnx
I mean when Germany pays the depts of ww2 then maybe that will help
@@user-lf1vg6tb2l yeah it will help but the aint gonna do shit
do people really have nothing better to do then mock others for what they believe?
even the death isn't free :/
Das true!
Do you know any country to ''have''' death for free? Your problem isn't that the death isnt free. Your problem is that you are turkish and you want to hate our country to all sections
@@Vvaskar01 how did u get that out of his comment u and ur judgemental mind can gtfo here!!
@@Vvaskar01 you got triggered for no reason, they only said that not even death is free not anything bad for our country in contrary you make us look bad
If you donate your body to science, it is.
Due to the economy it's hard enough to live in Greece, but exorbitant burial costs, limited cemetery space, and endless bureaucracy make dying almost as difficult.
You guys fucking suck.
+mindharvester chill it's not the people's fault it's the government. Sheesh.
+Eva Lily I'm sorry but a retirement age of 57 is just not feasible. Lazy people in Greece wanted it and got it. Of course after 2010 they changed it to age 67 but the damage is done.
It's their own damn fault, not the youth though. They're screwed sadly :(
+VICE Greece's laws, Orthodox Rituals...."It's all 'Greek' to me!" (I just HAD to work that in...) ;)
why the hell can't I watch any of the Vice du jour videos here in the states??????
Hey greeks, you face the same prolems like us here in the philippines
Crowded graveyards, less cremation and removal of the dead
I think this is the right place to say that in Greece, state and church are not separated. That means that every Greek citizen pays the church via taxes. The church has a fortune of trillions of euros and is involved in many scandals. This is why, I think it is outrageous that we have to pay to be baptized, married and buried. I wish we could be cremated, but the church doesn't let that happen either. Religion is unfortunately all about money.
jen4394 nope the government takes this money and the chuch doesnt have trillions of euros lol were do u get this fals information?
jen4394 this is sadly true
Agreed. Organised mainstream religion is all about control and money. This is why i favour pagan religions as they can be worshiped to whatever degree you're comfortable with, especially nowadays when pagan religions are seen as near insignificant by the state (Greek gov doesn't see Ancient Greek pagan beliefs as a religion) which means no money and corruption is with it.
You are fuckin right sudly churches are typical shops and their goal is to make a bigger profit...
Have you see this trillions from church?
You guys should see some of the crypts here in NYC. In a crowded city, you have cemeteries filled with giant crypts that look like big luxurious mansions for the deceased. It's scary how even in death, people want to show off status...
ARVIN what about the philiphines. I saw a documentary where there people who live in the cemetries have build shelters among the tombs yet in the same country the rich cemetry have been designed like amodern house with kitchen feels like you are in a fivestar hotel n not a cemerty
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Japan when from 50% cremation to 90% in about between 1950 to 1980, and it's practically 100% now.
All I'm trying to say is solution is easy to find as long as you are willing to accept it.
Plant a tree and water it with ashes from your loved one. They and their memory will live as long as the earth.
Yep, right in the middle of Athens - lol
I miss the times when people would just catapult their dead at an enemy. So beautiful.
The Mongols would be proud.
ahahahahahahaha lol lol lol
on lighter note, i thought Andy looks like calvin harris
And this is exactly why I don't want to get buried when I die. Rather donate it for scientific purposes or just feed it to the ocean.
We only die once.
That British director looks a bit like Calvin Harris...
I was going to say that XD
A little thought for everybody who may find it interesting:
Death has become a business like any else. Around the world exist doctors who have little interest in double or tripple checking if a person who is clinically dead is really dead. There are numerous cases where people came back to life after death. Their little problem was when they woke up they were at that time buried 7 feet under. What do you want to do? Old, helpless, burried and slowly you realise what is going on until the inevitable happens. As death has become a source of profit there are doctors paid by funeral companies that if death occures he will call them to arrive at the scene and arrange the funeral. They mostly do not care too if the person may eventually awake and in some cases and just to make sure they expedite the whole process to get the (maybe) dead person as fast as possible under the soil and cash the check. Not everybody is like that but what do you know who is going to be your company of trust? Like if anybody ever wrote a review on how good he was buried or how well he spent his time in the coffin.
Then there is the aspect of money. Some people should learn that money is not a thing of life. It is a thing of taxes. Check yourself how much money a single bank note generates throu a day. You`ll be amazed if you already didn`t know that even the smalles bank note generates in one day way more money to the state as it`s actual value printed on the front and back. But that is a different story. I mean you cannot measure values by money that cannot be measured with money. If you feel bad about yourself for example not being able to pay for the most expensive funeral then you need to restart your view on values. A person who you lived with and cared about has left for good. What can money do to help that person after death? What good is a piano black and gold deluxe 1st class coffin to a dead person? Nothing. It is the memories you keep. Every person will live after death as long as there is at least one person alive who can remember the one that left. No money can buy that.
Now some reasonable facts. If you have to move. You get evicted, you find a new job far away or whatever reason. What do you do with a grave? Do you move the dead with you? No. Will you feel bad if you cannot visit that grave more often because of the distance? Probably. If you keep the ashes or disperse them into the ocean, river or plant a tree somewhere and fertilize the soil with it or whatever you please then you have little to none attachement to a specific place. Except that tree thing I mentioned. That may be a dealbreaker. But that is not the point. It is all in our head only. In fact we are a bunch of micro organisms. Our true "self" is only our mind. Our body is just a visual representation of our mind. We have bacteria inside our body, outside our body, lots of organs work for no particular reason and we do nothing in our power to control them. We don`t tell lungs to breathe, we don`t tell the heart to beat, liver to filter, stomach to process food... that is at least what we call it. Heck we know what our stomach would rather call food. We never asked :) all those organs just work on their own. But lets get back to the point - People need to talk about death with those who mean something to them. People managed travel to the moon, magnify up to millions of percent and what not. But dealing with things like that seems sometimes like an unsolvable problem. It is hard the first time but it gets easier. In the end it becomes "sorted out". It won`t make it easier when the time comes, but it definetly will make you prepared. Ready. Ready to accept and deal with the situation.
...And as far as the church goes I have nothing to say because I could not care less what the church has to say about it. Those people are so detached from real life... pffffft it is not even worth the free and unpaid comment space on TH-cam. I mean if you belive in whatever it is totally fine by me untill I don`t have to deal with it.
Bottom line - I did not mean to offend anybody. If you don`t like what I wrote then just skip it. All this was just a little something to think about and start your own process of evaluation. Maybe this can help somebody to start thinking differently and maybe this can lead to a first chat about the toppic with those that should be the partners in communication.
Wish you all a good one.
There we go, thank you vice, finally one of those videos I subscribed for.
Greece has a small official population in relation with its land area. However Greece has a very strong urbanism. Nearly half of the Greek population is in Athens, Piraeus and the surrounding suburbs. Also the 80% of the Greek population lives in big cities. That urbanism didn't occur gradually and the population of big Greek cities and especially Athens exploded mostly in three decades between 1950-1980.
The infrastructure of the old cemeteries was suitable for a much smaller population.
A solution would be the construction of new cemeteries but that is very unpopular by the public because areas close to cemeteries are depreciated.
Greek Orthodox Church forbids the burning of the dead. The priests of the Greek church don't have any direct political power in Greece. However they can greatly influence the opinion of Greek voters and that makes politicians and political parties very nervous. That why the burning of dead isn't possible in Greece.
Nah, that's not even remotely true. If it were, then why do they do the same in small old villages? We buried my grandmother in 2016, and now we are forced to take her out. Not just that, but we have to pay 50€/y to have ONE of her bones in a box next to the cemetery, but all her other bones will be thrown away. Also, I remember, around 15y ago, the guy that used to go around houses to collect those 50€ for these boxes, died, and so the priest decided that he would be collecting that money, but you'd have to go by his house. You see, my grandmother didn't know about that, so when some time went by, and she went and asked about it, the priest told her: oh you didn't come to pay when it was due, to my house? Then the bones of your entire family are thrown in the trash!
So yeah, we all know that it's all about money, and only money. The cemeteries are fucking small, and for bigger population than what the villages are now. But it was always like this, from the beginning. My grandparents village had 4.000 people, now it barely has 400. So, there's NO EXCUSE for having to dig out my grandmother, 6 years after her death. Of course, now that we will dig her out, we will have to pay money for that box, so the church, will earn money per year...
Why does the mayor of Thessaloniki have a spiderman sipping milk shake framed in the wall?
He also has rainbow shoulder straps, I like this mayor.
he is somewhat eccentric lol
www.lifo.gr/team/tadaima/41934 cosplaying a character from one piece
He looks so cool and different, but I can tell you he is the same shit politician like everyone else. In Greece there is no way a good person works in politics.
last month he was beaten up,he is a crazy old man
Actually the spiderman in that frame drinks frappe, which is the most common type of coffee in greece
This price is cheaper than the one in Hong Kong. Here, the box are so limited such that some people did buy the box long before they actually die. Some other even trade these boxes and earn a great deal of momoney.
I know Vice has gone to shit but there are still a few nice one's. I actually enjoyed this documentary. Before this I didn't even know they used to ban cremation in Greece. And I really like the reporter, very down to earth.
and when you mean "has gone to shit" you mean "has made video coverages that have hurt my feelings or go against my political/moral beliefs"
+Mahtlahtli No! It has gone shit. They produce a lot of garbage videos. I used to watch every video they made nowadays I hardly watch one or two videos.
Mahtlahtli Nope. Talking about quality and diversity. Covering interesting things that couldn't be found in other media. Today I rarely see anything that I can't watch pretty much everywhere else.
Well it’s against our Greek Orthodox religion, but now they’re allowing cremation
Support to all the greek people that are suffering because of the recent fires. I really hope your situation improves.
awful that this happens. once a person is buried they should be left there not dug up countless times and the families made to pay money constantly, that will be such a burden for anyone, financially as welll as emotionally. i really hope this changes tor the greek people.
Here's an easy solution:
1.) Burn Body
2.) Mix Ashes With Cement, etc.
3.) Make Mold for Monument, etc.
4.) Pour into Mold
5.) Wait for it to harden. (lol)
6.) Burial Problem Solved
being orthodox you cant do any of this thing so problem not solved
Really enjoy greek themed docs
"it's quite cold in the refrigerator" no shit
Greek cemetery's are beautiful. In America your basically put In a dirt patch (in most cases)
It’s hard to believe one of the oldest civilizations is living like this. Sad. They were so ahead of their time.
Greece has been like this for many years and decades that's not new
It's a tiny and very ancient country. Can't they do the math? Most of the rest of Europe has dealt with this. This gets them no sympathy for their other troubles.
The USA should be limiting them, too. Far too much of our best land is covered with poisonous cemeteries.
I'm still waiting for the video to become unavailable half way through watching it.
In my opinion, it is absolutely disgusting that people actually have the nerve to make fat money off of grieving families. They should be ashamed of themselves! No one should EVER have to pay to have their loved ones put to rest! Disgusting system and people!
That's really sad to know there are people who can't rest peacefully. In Myanmar here, funeral services are offered free of charge by many charities. You don't have to worry about a thing, coffin or religious practices. Theyd all done it.
That Chrysler 300C at 11:15 dressed up as a bentley... badges and all... shame.
There is a village in Indonesia where they live with the dead for up to even 20 yrs..The coffin is right there in the living room n open and when they bury them they dig them up during family events to attend
Why not just give your body to medical colleges? People would appreciate and remember you in a better way. And you will die knowing your body was at least used for a better cause!
+50sacrifice they use those bodies for years. They can't all go to science not even a large fraction it would overwhelm them to the point where they'd start charging to have a body donated.
+Adam S Chabane Nope, YOU are wrong. They do use bodies for years; sometimes parts are kept indefinitely (with consent). Body donation isn't as simple as people think it is, and even when you register to donate your body upon death, there is still no guarantee that it will be accepted. If they can't get your body quickly enough after dying, they won't accept it. If the coroner or ME is involved, they won't accept it. If your your organs aren't intact (think cancer), they won't accept it. If you have an infectious disease, they won't accept it. If you're obese, they won't accept it. If you die in a traumatic accident or by suicide, they won't accept it. Everyone donating their body to science isn't a viable solution. I'm a funeral director and have had individuals ask for advice on body donation, thinking it's a guaranteed solution. Not so. Look up some body donation programs and you will see that it's not as simple as you think.
+50sacrifice That is an option I guess. Many people like knowing where at least a part of their relative is buried however. I guess especially if you are religious. It gives people some small comfort sometimes.
if they see my dick size they will panic cuz my wee wee is ultra large
50sacrifice because in Greece u even pay for giving your body to a medical college
No matter the opinion of whom he is questioning, he should stick to the unwritten rules of journalism. He was not nice to the archbishop.
Vice is not journalism, it's mainstream propaganda media
most of the shit you in this doc is well-directed bullshit
He didn't say anything offensive to the archibishop. He replied in the same way and not really ' with a vengeance' or something.
i live in greece......its 2017 and we still dont have a crematorium in athens....bravo Mr.Kaminis
NO SKILLZ 2018 😂😂
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how do you go from the bastion of all civilization. . . .to this?
+Davidson Maene try again.
+Davidson Maene DING DING DING!!!! We have a winner. This is what socialism gets you.
+PortableBacon There are worse... Remember the Great Egypt? Now it's a great ignorance slum.
*+PortableBacon* Buggery, hedonism.
Davidson Maene
Socialism? In a muslim country? Where Islam dictates the social, political and cultural rules? Get out of here ignorant. Learn something before start spitting stupidities.
in Poland situation is exactly the same as in greece but if you choose creamation you still must be buried and pay fee like for normal grave
***** thats correct, its illegal to keep ashes of your family in home they have to be buried
***** also in Poland its illegal to have bulletproof vest you must have permit to have it. US government is like angel compared to Poland
damn i live in shithole
***** i mean Poland is ruled by the same guys over 26 years so yeah
Jesus please excuse me. I have to go check my body on earth to make sure the rent on my grave is paid.
I really loved this.
They make good salads.
you mean the corpes?
windows95ism hHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA SAVAGE
My grandma's funeral - in Oklahoma - cost about $28,000 US or €26500. Funerals are a racket. This renting of plots is more Greek big government red tape. You'd think the people would get fed up with this stuff at some point, but... oxi.
Koivu have you ever been to Greece ? If not then stop spread shit . You met some Greeks in the Internet that doesht mean that all the Greeks are just like that
Cause you are ignorant. And what the fuck is wrong is you ? Why do u hate Greece so much ?
Just scroll down and see your comments , you hate Greece admit it
Believe me my country is just fine slavic piece of shit
You are defenitely not european cause they are not dumb and you hate Greece so that makes you arabic or turkish. In both situations i feel sorry for you.
Andy😍😍
Gen 3:19 “For dust thou art and unto dust thou shall return.” I see no reason for this argument over cremation. The Bible is clear that no matter what has afflicted your physical body you will be resurrected.
So they're opposed to methods other than those in line with Christian traditions because of their faith.
I'd feel more sympathy if it were over, y'know, a good reason.
most people in Greece are not even religious (especially the younger generations) and there are plenty of people here that hate the Church (even devout Christians).
the most proper burials happen in the small countryside communities (e.g. villages) with the dead remaining in their graves and the costs kept low.
my grandparents were buried that way and what costed them the most was the Christian ceremony which can be avoided.
this means cremation could also be avoided if people didn't want to bury themselves in the city graveyards where overpopulation and lack of space obstruct decent burial.
the Church opposes cremation for their own reasons though
so please do yourself a favor and don't believe whatever you see on these well-directed, mainstream media propaganda "documentaries".
Keep in mind though that the Church and the State are not separate in Greece, so the Church has a say in anything, even education. So opposition to the Church is not easy
I'm Greek and I'm going there this summer
Greece worked better 2000 years ago than it does now XD
Oh and look who is blocking progress once again, humanitys biggest frien, the church....
Other religions have caused humanity strife as well but ALL religions have done more good than harm.
@@johnenglish8461 Religions only do good to masquerade the true evil that they are.It's ridiculous to say that religion did more good than harm. People sponsor the church every day by donations (required payment or you go in hell). Every single verse the church has taught us, is a control tactic, be it through fear, sadness, greed or joy. It's a trap. The whole idea behind every religion reminds of something I've witnessed traveling to the US. For Americans this may not make any sense but for some Europeans it sure will... USA is not just a Christian state. The american patriotism is a religion on its own. Every business organization, every political organization, every government organization is using that ideology to manipulate you into doing pretty much anything. "True Americans buy this" "If you are a true american, vote for...."Live the american dream", while 1/3 of the country lives near or below the poverty line.
If anything, religion is the worst enemy of humanity. Religion is not a belief system, it's just another organization. People should be free to believe in god without the need for institution, without the need to donate for millennia. Greece is one of the countries in the world with most churches and chapels per capita in the world. Only the island of Mykonos hosts a whopping number of 600-800, with probably over 500.000 throughout all Greece.Huge part of them built from public donations. No taxes. Just around my home there are 3 or 4 churches. A 200-meter radius. Why? It looks more like money laundering scheme to me.
"That's not gonna be my future. I'm not gonna be buried in a grave. When I'm dead, just throw me in the trash."
-Frank Reynolds
I didnt know James Bond watch Its always sunny lmao
The first crematorium in Greece will open in the city of Patras and let's hope that this tragic situation of overcrowded cemeteries and high priced ceremonies will finally come to an end.
FYI: The crematorium opened in Ritsona, Euboea in 2019.
Bury me raw
How is it now? I have family in Monastiraki Nafpakto and cousin Tasso lives in Patra now. Thanks 🇬🇷🧿
@@Lukas-rw7ok They had a problem getting ownership of the area that they chose. Eventually they did but that delayed the project until now. Since it's a public project there needs to be a public procurement which will obviously delay it a bit further. So i don't see it being ready until 2026-2027.
Thankfully, in 2019 a crematorium outside of Athens began operating and it has huge success.
graves are simply a waste of fucking space, think of the stuff you could build on the huge spaces that cemetries take and with the money they gobble up, you can make a hospital to prevent at least some of these deaths
+PoljoYT I agree but i guess there's the religous side of this. Or even simply "respect" to the dead, i'm completely honest i'd prefer my son/wife to be burried somewhere i can go instead of cremating her or something like this.
I guess it depends on people, this is my opinion!
(sorry for my bad english i'm not native)
Get a life Kid
I guess you get bullied in school
+Stranger Number One Cremate them and bury them = less space
+MordieSG Indeed but some people dont want their family to be cremated
what about small, convenient graves with their nice gravestones on top?
2 years later...this year we buried my half sister's mother.what was most saddening was that there was a large number of graves in the 3rd cemetery who were buried at the feet of other normal graves.those people were unnamed with just a number....
It's really expensive to die in America also but atleast we can choose what we want done regardless of our religion we can be have done with ourselves what we want.
We have a solution, but religion is getting in the way.
Huh, go figure?
religion or not, burial is still better than cremation (more eco-friendly, tied to local traditions, people have something to remember from their ancestors, benefits future historical research, etc)
funny thing what costs the most about it is the Christian ceremony
goddam vice put the actors away from the camera so you can't tell that they are reading from a auto cue
ANDYYY
that's the consequence of hosting the Olympics in 2004. I'm afraid that the cemeteries there in Greece will follow the footsteps of those cemeteries in the Philippines wherein there is a 5 year contract for a grave and after that contract the dead will be forcibly evicted
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you can't even die without money. (is it against the law to be buried 6 feet under on your own property and have a tree planted on you) I'd rather have a tree onto of me than a slap of concrete and a bunch of rooting skeletal buddies all around. I want some peace and quite when I'm dead.
a very bad article about a very sensitive thing in Greece. Greeks pay because they want to honour their dead thats all it is. Talking about overpopulated graves in Athens simply happens because the population there is too high and there isnt any land to build graveyards. Who stops u at Greece to bury ur dead at ur village on the rest of Greece? Or even, who stops u to bury him without even paying a since euro? Like i said at start, a very bad article that talks about something that is inevitable, too many dead at a place with little room. Thats why people pay that much. And btw, paying for grave space costs everywhere, not only at Greece.
+Pyrros Gartzos So you shouldn't talk about things that are inevitable? You shouldn't report on things that happen in other places? I guess no one should bother reporting on the Paris attacks because that kind of thing happens in Mexico or Syria to.
+Dedfaction The number of lives lost around the whole world from bomb attacks, famine and etc are alot more than the paris attack for instance as u mentioned. But... its paris right? I havent seen anyone put an african nation flag or a syrian flag at his fb account, but for france... its france, although the dead werent that many. Now, for the specific article, u wanna get buried in a place where there is actually no place to bury u objectively. Thus u are going to pay for it. Its like real estate mate, u want a 100 sq meter house in New York, pay 300k dollars, u want a house 500 sq meter in a village called Kolopetinitsa in Greece, u pay 10k dollars. But u can live on both, like get burried on both places , expencive or free.This is inevidability. Hope u got it. This article is the same to me like talking about how high are the prices of buying a house in a major city comparing to a village. And u cant do anything about it.
The whole, fairly pointless 'changing your display picture to the French flag' business aside (I honestly thought it was fairly shallow), you can't say that something doesn't need to be reported if there's a worse version of it somewhere else. That's ludicrous.
There's plenty of 'room' in Greece, its hardly densely populated, the issue is that it costs shitloads for the service, burial, casket etc
+Dedfaction As for the price of the butial service , since u mention it, it isnt obligatory. U can make a very decent funeral with no more than 400€, an amound that is fully covered by the Greek government if u file the documents. At the specific article i dont recall saying anything about it. I simply dont like the attitude of the article, an attitude which imo they present it like everyone pays a shitload of money to bury their dead. Here, usually people pay a little more, simply because they want to pay more. And this happens all around the world, not only at Greece. Shit, i could make the same article in all of the European countries. In all of them!!!!
'Shit, i could make the same article in all of the European countries. In all of them!!!!'
That's fine, doesn't mean that they have to mention it whilst talking about Greece.
Andy is MIKA's boyfriend
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+KafKilljoy what?
yaaassss
I'm not fucking with this episode I'm out
Starting up by a trigger warning.... let's see how deep Vice is digging their own grave...
3 years? in italy a corspe can be reduced only after 30 or 40 years, and here you "buy" the grave for 99 years
9:44 he is a fast talker!!
I'm just so sad as to what is happening to and in Greece as a half-Greek... :\
quit caring you half breed
arcadian33333 Nice b8 and why should I stop caring I care about where half of me came from
I love how at the end when he asked the Dr if he can cover the leg Dr was like yup go for it, all you. let that been in America he would have been like you need gloves a face mask and sign a waiver.
This video is very interesting...
Dead is dead, don't waste money on it. Cremation is much cheaper, not so much in Greece but in neighboring countries, maybe cheaper to fly to Netherlands. Cost of cremation in Netherlands 849 euro. You can burry the ashes wherever you want (if no one is looking). Or just keep the urn on the fireplace.
Greece is a medium between First and Third World. Of course it is not First world, as it is less developed in fields like technology, internal economic production, incomes, wages and with a continuously corrupted State which mainly drags more and more from the common citizens while giving them back services of mediocre or even shity quality (like shity buses public transportation nowdays in Athens). It is also a country with few chances for private investments and initiatives. On the other hand, it has a very strong tourist economy (although with very low wages usually for its workers). It is a country with beautiful landscapes, islands, seas, mountains etc. Its people are not bad but they are a little bit idiot on some aspects (like people's private lives) because of traditionalism and conservatism. They also criticize easily everything (they are maybe some of the worst gossipers globally). This is usually more evident in rural areas of the country, including even the younger generations and in the urban neighbourhoods of big cities, because of more illiterate and poorer people. But generally it is not a country of bad extremes. Quality of life is surely lower than countries like Belgium, Netherlands, UK, France, Scandinavia or even Spain and Italy, but it is a society with a relatively calmer and slower pace of life. A society which doesn't have the same levels of crime and violence as other parts of the world (like the US or like cities in the UK). Let's say, it is a christian like edition of Middle East, without wars and upheavals of the latter and with better living conditions.
How did Greece, one of the the most advanced nations in ancient times,able to make fire that burns under water,turn into a third world mess ?
Anonymous World Class greece was never a nation in ancient times greece become a nation wih orhodoxy
26:05 Νουμεράκι Vodafone?!?!?!? Μα κάθε φορα. . .
I thought living is the hardest than dying i
ANDYY MIKAA
yes!Exactly!I am the owner of mika's greek fan club
+Lena music the owner?! wow.. so fans recognize you?
+KafKilljoy yes that is true
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we have the same problem here in Malta, no crematorium so graves cost a fortune. But at least there's the excuse that this is like the fourth most densely populated place in the world so land is in short supply...
Surely they should have to contact the family before moving the body/skeleton! That would be the humane thing to do!
All my organs will be donated and the remains donated to medical research.. My joints will be cut off and shipped off to medical schools for students to practice joint replacement on a natural human body.
I'm not sure what happens to the useless bits, but my death will have absolutely no cost to my family and hopefully my organs will help a few people out!
but if it is a private tomb no .....only 1000 euro in malta it cost 10,000 to 25,000 euro to buy a private tomb
*Wait wait question... whats going to happen in 3 billion years when the entire world is coverd with cementaries* ? where do all the other bodies go
You’d think some country’s were stuck in time!!
*I think it's gross that bodies are dug up after three years, just cremate everyone and done with it. I've never understood burials as the bodies rot into the ground and waterways causing pollution to wild animals who drink the water and eat crops which are using the water for their nutrients. People with diseases are laid to rest below ground and it's revolting *
Average family grave, per dead is 20.000 euros? Never die in Greece.
funeral in Britain costs about the same or more.
Natrual burial than recycle the grave every few years this is the most practical way.
Yep.
#orderofthegooddeath
The male presenter/interviewer is hot! I’m sorry I can’t help but look at good looking men! Plus even though I’m a straight female, I can appreciate a good looking woman also, before people moan at me!
No eternal rest for the deads...
I was curious for some of your videos do you think you could have a narrator do to me and others who have dyslexia
i know this is horrible to say but I can't believe someone hasn't started a crematorium on a ship! They could pull up to a port collect the body go into international waters have a service with the family or not and bring back the ashes so much cheaper than shipping a body!
That’s why I’m proud to be Pontic Greek that is Muslim! Alhamdullilah best religion ever!^_^
I just don't want to listen or think about death. I'm not entirely afraid of dying but the death decomposing process scares me, even though I do know I won't feel anything. But it just scares me. Just quite hard to see your loved ones are not around us or not in this world anymore. I still remember my grandfather who died in March 2014, I can't forget that incident tears fall out my eyes whenever I remember that he used to be a successful businessmen and quite supported his family. I am, from now not gonna think about death anymore.
11:19 you can see the camera man ....hello Mister mustache.
Our bodies are just food for the worms, people. We don't need all this. All that money of the family of a diseased person could go to much more important causes.
Tanks you very musch super vidéo tank you andy
Why is there an economic crisis in Greece, that is one reason.
work on the video quality bro
Genesis 3, 19..... " in the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, until you return to the ground you were taken.For dust you are and to dust you shall return". So no matter how you lived or how you died, we all return to dust.....
To burry you in Greece cost from 1300 to 1800,well it can go higher ,but this is the average price
The church makes money off of you. That's why they resist. Look at that great big priest!
1000 euros is really cheap, in italy a grave costs a lot a lot more
is it that hard to figure out that people don t earn the same money?
Yes but in Greece we earn less money. It is way too much..not everyone's the same..
Just go out to the woods and bury them then......
+Dozier Games That's what I was thinking. Sure you may want some place to remember your loved ones but are you really going to pay 1000 euros every 3 years and deal with all this bullshit so they can have some fancy headstone? Just find a nice spot in the woods.
Todd Harris Ya this is what happens when religion holds you back. it's really sad and pathetic.
religion has nothing to do with this you mental patient.
It has everything to do with Religion. They don't want to give up their nice place in the cemetery because they think they are at rest in an afterlife....that's even more mental.
they're fucking dead they dont think
Why don't just adopt the procedure of cremation rather than burying in limited space!