Agreed - they should have Baker Acted him, and this may not have happened. Unfortunately, most people, family included, just don't know what to do, or what resources are available.
The lesson here is if someone in your family is exhibiting signs of psychosis, don’t just hope it fixes itself. The moment he was home from school and saying crazy shit, that was the time to intervene. Not just lock the bedroom doors and hope everything would be fine. Or when he’s eating cooking oil you don’t just drop him back off at the restaurant and drive off. The kid needed help and his parents delayed and delayed until it was too late.
Agreed, it's part of the stigma of mental health problems. He was having a first break psychosis and needed hel ASAP; I'm sure when the he attacked people he was deep into some paranoid delusion.
Yep. I wouldn't go as far as to blame the family... that isn't my place to do so. But I 100% agree with you (I am not implying you blamed the family, either; I just wanted to note that), and yes, a BIG lesson. That hopefully others can also learn from. That is why cases like this are important to educate people about, and not simply demonize and say a crazed man ate someones face, etc. For a hit piece.
@@rainbows5232 yeah, which is why it really needs more widespread attention and consideration from people/taking it serious. Sadly many will ignore it if they don't expect to ever deal with it. But yeah, this kid was showing red flag city. They never should have let it get close to as far as it did. Not that I blame them, of course!
Yeah, it seemed like much of the observations were Aug 7-15th after his visit with his girlfriend Like maybe clear mania His dad was trying to get him to take Valium or Xanax. Austin figured drugs would kill him (he'd thrown them away, and that week was avoiding alcohol. And avoiding weed, and by extension sleeping. Dad tried to keep him from driving (though he hopped on the hood and car roof til he gave em back- drove behind him to their destination instead) cause he had a couple reckless driving moments On the 14th Wade/Dad took him to a gun show (in a text Austin said he was looking forward to it) where he bought himself a knife for protection from evil (This night Haley's like "okay he's actually out of touch with reality, Dad, we gotta use the Bakers Act" ) (This night or previous he goes to Keri's room at 2-3am because he's anxious, can he sleep in here-- and he cuddled the dog bc it'd protect him or smth) On the morning of the 15th he took him on a nature walk to try and distract him a little Sorry this got long.
His mom should have driven him to the hospital instead of back to the restaurant. And there were many possibly dozens of opportunities to get him help.
The Baker Act in Florida can only be used if the patient is found to be incompetent to consent to treatment. Since Austin was usually viewed as cognizant (normal), and had done no harm to himself or others up until this incident, it is doubtful the law would have overridden Austin's 'rights' and forced an incarceration. Evidence is how the Federal mask mandate is fought in Florida because it limits personal freedom.
@@bennytennyson Yeah, exactly. Plus trying to jump into traffic would for sure be considered a suicide attempt or at least attempt at self harm. He would've gotten help if they tried explaining that to a professional.
Ikr? His family is just as much to blame for this as he is, if not more so. They knew there was something wrong with him for a full month before this happened, and they did nothing except lock him out of their rooms at night so he wouldn't bother THEM.
@@beckysimeone4882 the Baker Act doesn't prevent someone from taking them to a hospital and they never tried so there is no indication he would have refused if they had. Instead they were judgmental of his behavior when they should have been concerned.
That oath isn’t taken as seriously as it was one to two hundred years ago. They actually don’t HAVE to do anything, unless they are currently working or on-call.
@@CChissel Well I suppose technically you’re right, but it’s still strange to me that you think thousands of medical doctors, doctors of osteopathy, podiatrists, and Physicians’ Assistants don’t take their oath to do no harm all that seriously. Well firstly, the Hippocratic Oath is archaic, in fact, the year I was born, 1973, in addition to Roe vs. Wade, the Supreme Court also ruled that the Hippocratic oath was basically behind the times. Here in America, the AMA Code of Medical Ethics has been gold standard for a long time…and considering how much physicians pay for their insurance premiums, there’s no way they’re less than absolutely serious about not doing harm to their patients. Breaking that ideology may not have direct punishments, but it opens them up to massive malpractice law suits.
Yeah I was astounded his mom just dropped him off the restaurant after catching him chugging vegetable oil… and that he was gone for 30+ minutes and his dad/sister/friend at the restroom just sit there as opposed to trying to find him after he already tried walking into traffic on the way to the restaurant
Based on the interviews it seemed like he'd barely started drinking it when she stopped him (he doesnt remember drinking the oil, remembered being natural like an animal, til his mom's reaction made him feel like it wasn't) Iirc * (just read the report) his mom called his dad, who said to bring him back It was Aug 14th when Haley was finally like "okay this is really bad, Dad we need to use the Baker Act) and then the next day it happened And if the interview is right, his friend actually did catch up to him, try to convey the dads apology and ask him to come back. Austin asked him to come with him but Sam didn't because his phone was dead or smth But 30 minutes I still don't remember reading about that 30 min interval in Resnick's report
His actions are typical of psychosis. Having both his parents in the medial field, I'm surprised they didn't put that together. Yes, some could have been drug related, but not all of it, and if he had gotten help in time, he could have been medicated appropriately. It's not uncommon for young adult males to start showing signs of psychosis usually related to schizophrenia. Most can live a typically normal life if they are given proper medication and help with managing it. I feel bad for this kid as well as the victims. He is now likely tortured by knowing what he did.
Bullshit. They discriminate every MOTHER FUCKING DAY. Youve never been in a hospital or what? Its extremely bad…Wealthy ppl first. If you dont have insurance out you go…
They didn’t do wrong in treating the drug addiction first but the mom should have taken him straight to the hospital and lied and said they were going back to the restaurant and texted the father and sister
Seriously! When a family member tries to walk into traffick right in front of you, it's time to realize they need more than just a stern talking to from dad, ffsake!
35:00 bro it's the court's job to determine the punishment, if they were to kill him, or willingly and knowingly let him die, they'd probably face some real consequences I'm pretty sure they're legally required to help the suspect
@@btnhstillfire Same with my uncle. He had an infection "they couldn't find" so they let him lie there and die. My best friend went brain dead after a car accident because he laid in their care with a brain bleed for 3 hours before they flew him to a different hospital to harvest him. Doctors are scum and hospitals will just watch your loved ones die because they can't be bothered to do anything
I have heard this MrBallen story before. Actually, I've heard all of them before.... but anyway. I have the same feeling now, rewatching, as I did then. I want to pick up his parents and shake them silly. This boy needed help. Even if they thought it was just drugs, that's not something you can just tell someone to stop doing, especially with all of the drugs Austin admitted to taking. So, even if you just thought your boy was taking lots and lots of drugs, professional help was absolutely needed here. None of Austin's behavior was something he was just going to just stop doing. Parents. If your child is acting like this in any way, get them help. Immediately.
Yeah, it's surely 100% their fault... He was an adult, of course. But he lived under their roof, and he couldn't help himself, given the state he was in. A mentally ill person can't assess their own mental state. He showed so many signs, and they clearly ignored him. They locked their doors when he said he was seeing demons... Seriously? I would've grabbed him and led him directly to a therapist's office right that moment. All I can take from this story is that they didn't loved him enough to bother... Disgusting
Luka. Law in the United States/Florida is not: When someone is unconscious on the ground, leave them there and wait for them to die, or get up on their own so you can arrrest them. It is also not: shoot and kill the unconscious person because they are a killer. It is to take them to the hospital. In the hospital: The law is not 'selectively choose who to let die using your discretion', or 'if this person killed x number of people in y ways, then withdraw life support and let them die'. They don't attempt to keep him alive so they can try to gain insight into his reasons. They try to keep him alive because there it is illegal to selectively decide to kill, or allow to die someone in a hospital based on some criteria or discretion.Thank god, too, because that law would need to be thousands of pages long to properly account for every possible scenario. Nevermind that this Austin kid has OBVIOUSLY had a complete psychiatric breakdown and needs to be in a psychiatric hospital and medicated, as they were not in proper control of their actions during their crimes.
The thing is, they should've shot him as soon as they realized what he's doing. And don't f say they couldn't because they would harm the victim. He's not paid any attention to them so they could've easily do that from the right angle. But instead these useless individuals decided to watch the man being eaten alive.
I agree, and it's not only applicable in Florida. It's a human right. Even death row inmates have the right to be treated by a doctor when in need, even if they are going to be executed later. Plus, doctors are bound by the Hippocratic oath, and police officers are not executioners. They didn't have the right circumstances to remove him and restrain him because he wasn't even stunned by the taser, the multiple kicks to the head, or the dog biting him. Who knows how to act in a situation like that? Plus, I'm sure they were trying to keep them both alive. Austin was going to be dealt with later in court, not executed on spot. Too bad the damage he inflicted was too much. Plus, he is seriously disturbed and mentally ill. There's no way you can have him sentenced like a normal person. I still feel like most of the blame was on his parents. He showed serious red flags pretty early on. He should've been committed as soon as he started acting up and saying these weird stuff as soon as he came back from college. But they dragged it on for two more months... Ugh
@@HadassaMoon144 yeah, but that is totally different. Had he lunged at one of the civilians in the same manner, they would also shoot. If he was on top of a cop eating his face in the manner described here, probably not. I concede that it is possible that the cops had an easy job and could have killed him without risk of harming the man underneath him if they wanted, but chose not to. None of us were there, none of us can know for sure. But typically police in America don't refrain from taking deadly measures (but will kick them in the face, etc. Trying to subdue them), and provide an explanation why the perpetrator did not get shot at. Usually it would be the other way around, if deadly force is used, attempts to justify (some just, some unjust, surely) the need to use it are made. I may be wrong, but I think/hope in this case, they treated it the same as if it were a cop being attacked. Just my 2 cents/speculation, of course.
Resnick's reported interviews kinda suggest he had barely started drinking it Though he put it on (mozzarella) cheese and ate some pieces before she drove him back (she called his dad and he said to bring him back)
For most cases of severe mental illness, symptoms don't really appear until someone is in their early 20s. So I think the drugs were a way for him to self-nedicate for his illness that he was starting to have symptoms of.
True this happens with many people. Men usually exhibit symptoms in late teens or 20s. Women usually in 30 s for some mental illnesses. People frequently self medicate unfortunately.
Yep. Many people who are brushed of as simply “ drug addicts” are actually suffering from a mental illness. It’s really sad many homeless people also have mental health problems that are ignored because they are alone living on the streets and there is no one to really help them.
Self medicating yes but at the same time a lot of those drugs can mess up your brain so in a way those drugs possibly accelerated any underlying mental problems he had
Mental illness can take you at any time, so it's especially important you pay attention to your emotions, your headspace and report to a professional and or family members when you aren't feeling right. We still have little knowledge of how our brains work, and it's a scary thing knowing that something like this can happen to any of us at any time. This guy had been going through something for over a year and he was ignored... Don't just "suggest" your brother needs professional help, actively working with him to get him into inpatient observation for 48 hours would have been a good start. Had he gotten professional help for his depression when he first realized that it had turned into a consistent monthly issue, maybe none of this would have happened. I would be willing to bet that prior to any of this, and even before his depression hit there were subtle hints that something was going on... problem is, people don't pay attention to others close enough, and they often can't find patterns of behavior but once you establish said patterns, it's easier to find when things are going wrong.
Agreed. My dad was luck to have family notice he was not right. They actually committed him to a state psych ward in the 50s to help him. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia and put on meds and he got better. Had to see/ report to a therapist every months. Forever. Family should have got him treatment. Also if you got family members that are exhibiting these symptoms get them help! And keep putting them back in the psych center till they get better!
Indeed and they could afford it too but I guess with their social standing they wanted to keep looking like the perfect and average family or something, so they didn’t get him the help he needed
No he was just a drug addict that went to far and couldnt get off drugs. That's all. Ig because hes rich they make it seem like this is mental health issue but really this was just a junkie addict rich kid on a bad trip.
@@walter_lesaulnier Yeah thing with LSD is it can cause permanent brain damage. And it leaves the system fairly quickly but it doesnt even have to be in your system for an episode like this to happen. Especially when you mix drugs like your a pharmacist. Hes crazy not because of an underlying condition but be cause he fried his brains on drugs.
@@TheBasher-_- typically drugs like lsd only affect the brain if you already have a condition or if you have genetic conditions. And he’s around the age for schizophrenic issues to start showing which makes sense with the drug use
It's actually common for people not to know they've been stabbed in a fight right away, most of them describe it as "he punched me and then I realized I was bleeding"
It's sad that they tried to take him to a mental health facility a little too late, but I've heard of cases where people do nothing despite the solution being right in front of them.
To answer your question about marijuana, it doesn't really matter if it's illegal in Florida or not. Young people experimenting with marijana use is common in all parts of the US. Trust me. Also, medical staff not helping someone because they comitted a crime would be completely illegal and unethical. They take an oath to do no harm and are obligated to provide the same standard of care to everyone, regardless of what kind of person they are. Not to mention, letting someone die because they committed a crime is paramount to acting as judge, jury, and executioner. Justice is putting him through the legal system and forcing him to serve whatever punishment that system deems fitting for his crime. Not unilaterally deciding that he should die.
Its decriminalized in cities. Statewide its still considered illegal in Florida but its not enforced so it might as well be called legal. Certain cities do have decriminalization in place officially. Daytona Beach is one of them. You can actually find city signs throughout Daytona that state the city allows weed. I was there in July.
As others have said, it's not up to the doctors to choose who they want to save and who dies. It's literally their job to do the absolute best they can to save everyone.
Another aspect of this is he played football- like rugby football is known for serious head trauma and has caused mental issues from repeated head injuries
It sucks there was so many chances for him to get help before it was to late but it seems the family didn’t want to admit it and just thought if they ignored it, it would go away or something.
@@Blynat did you even listen to the video? it outright said they thought all he needed was help getting off drugs, so they did everything to help him with that. They didn't do nothing. They just mixed up the cause and effect
@@NikkiTheViolist They didn't do anything to help him get off any drugs either. He never saw any sort of professional. No treatment center. Nothing. There would have been a staff psychologist at any facility and drug testing to determine what kind of drugs he was on had they taken him somewhere. Any trained professional would have seen right away it wasn't drugs. They probably told him to stop doing drugs and gave him strict curfews and such.
Doctors HAVE to treat anyone that needs it. It's not for them to judge and that is the way it should be. lso, let's not forget that Austin was mentally unwell and not really able to be responsible for his actions. He is also a victim here and there is no happy ending to these kinds of stories. I have nothing but sympathy for everyone involved. Most people with mental illness are never violent. This is rare. But it's important not to fear mental illness or perpetuate the stereotypes of them being dangerous. This is just a terrible and tragic turn of events. Devastating.
It's also sad to say, but obvious, that all of his unusual behaviour leading up to this event should be triggered some more urgency - eg. the mother taking him BACK to the restaurant after he was acting insanely in her kitchen. What the fuck? Denial and negligence at its worst. And I completely disagree with you saying it would be better for him to be dead. And the death penalty, and wishing pain on others, regardless of the circumstance, is unhealthy and unproductive. This could happen to anyone, and that is the uncomfortable fact people don't want to accept.
I blame the father for not keeping watch on his son everytime he left the table. So you mean to tell me the father and everyone who was at the restaurant with him didn’t notice he was gone for long periods of time and even changed his clothes?
This is the first time I have watched a video that has literally made me nauseous af. I honestly don't understand why the family just kept him at the restaurant instead of getting him some help? Like public places are the worst for a breakdown, anything can go wrong.
I can understand how Austin's family was slow in getting him help. One thing that goes on in cases like this is the attitude that it isn't that severe, the problem will eventually work itself out. Time is another factor. You may know something is wrong but, any kind of danger is not imminent. You'll have time to deal with it later. Another possible attitude is that this kind of thing happens in other people's families, not mine. Finally, there's the notion in many Western societies and can be even worse in some Eastern societies that a person suffering from mental illness should just, "get a grip," or "pull themselves together," or not even discuss it at all, bearing the burden silently. This can make the problem worse because, the person suffering the mental illness is made to feel at fault for becoming mentally ill and may be driven further into isolation. When I was age 18, one of my older brothers began saying some pretty weird things. We went through some of the thought processes I discussed above. He began to hallucinate. My mother, thinking that there was plenty of time, went to work with the intent of taking him to a hospital when she got home We failed to recognize his problems severity in time and time ran out. While my mother was at work, he ended his life by placing a shotgun under his chin and firing the gun. I bore witness to this event.
@@savingfelvkitties7424 Thank you. It was a long time ago. I've learned how to carry the memories of that event and become a much stronger person. I eventually pieced together a reasonable understanding of why he did it. That's always the biggest question to try to answer, "why?"
I'm glad to hear that you're doing better now. The why is usually..because the person is suffering. I can only imagine the horror and fear someone experiences during such episodes. I can imagine I'd want to end it too and I'd not know how. The gun seems like a sure way to end the suffering. It's not his fault or anyone's. I'm sure that your heart was lightened when you understood that. I also can't imagine seeing that and losing your brother in that way. That's just so horrible and sad.
I’m so sorry! And yah, there’s still a stigma when it comes to getting help and I’m not from the US but it seems like it’d be hard to get help not to mention unaffordable…
Luka, you asked how many cops were trying to help get Austin off John: There were two cops only at the scene at that time. A female and a male cop. The female kept her gun trained on Austin while the male tried to get Austin off John without killing John (the victim).
It is obvious the people responding to this have never had a family member with mental problems who needed help in the USA. When my Aunt, who was also of 'legal age' and living in another state, decided to visit so she could starve herself on her mothers couch, our family tried everything to get her help. She refused to go to the doctor or the hospital and went limp when her brothers tried to carry her out, as well as screaming "Help, help" trying to alert the neighbors to call the police. After a few days, when she could no longer lift her head, they again called the police, who informed us they could do nothing, since she was an adult. Her older sister asked for the policemen's identity so she could inform the reporters after her sister was dead. They then asked "Who owns this house?" and my Grandmother said she did. They asked if she wanted an intruder forcibly evicted from it and she had to reply "Yes". My Aunt was taken to a mental hospital for evaluation, checked herself out 2 days later (the family was not informed) and ended up in Australia, where she eventually broke into her landladies home and tried to kill her. We don't know how Australia handles mentally ill people because we lost all contact with her after that.
I think it depends on what state you live in. The act the parents were considering to force the person into treatment for 72 hours could have worked. At least it would have been a start.
I'm really sorry that happened to you and your family. I know dealing with a mentally ill family member can be kinda difficult. The US, like many countries around the world, does not treat mental illness the same as other illnesses. Couple of things with this story though. 1. These parents were pretty well off. They owned two separate houses in a wealthy neighborhood near the beach in Florida. Money can buy help even if no one wants to help you. 2. Florida has "The Baker Act" which allows family members to commit other adult family members *involuntarily* for 72 hours if they're determined to be incompetent. This would have at least ruled out the drug problem that everyone around Austin seemed so adamant he had. With all of the shootings by cops of mentally ill people who had family members or friends call them for help, I don't know that I would have had the guts to make that step. Especially if my loved one was deep in an episode.
@@newgrl I am sorry for my Aunt, who was a very intelligent, talented and creative person, like Austin, until mental illness took over. She was very beautiful too. None of the police officers believed she was mentally ill when they talked to her. They said they could only take her in if they thought she was a danger to herself or others, just as the Baker act dictates. People overestimate the law and what it allows families to actually do.
Whether Austin deserves to be saved or not is for the court to decide, not for the medical professionals to decide, or even the police. The police uses deadly force to neutralize a threat. The fatality, not to be confused with an actual death sentence, is incidental to that. In this case, it looks like they abstained from that probably because it would risk striking John as well. If his case for insanity goes through, he can't get the death penalty, but it would still be far from any sort of a vacation or getting off easy. It's explained in the beginning of the video recently popularized by the algorithm, "What pretending to be crazy looks like" by JCS Criminal Psychology.
35:05 That's a basic human right... It's applicable everywhere in the world. You treat everyone, no matter what they've done. Even death row inmates have the right to be treated by a doctor and kept alive, only to be put down later. It's up to the court to judge someone to decide either they are incarcerated or sentenced to death, not up to police officers or doctors. Plus doctors are bound to the Hippocratic oath: "I will maintain the utmost respect for human life; I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat; I make these promises solemnly, freely and upon my honour."
Psychedelics can trigger mental issues in people who have them already but haven't shown signs of them. Me and my friends have used psychedelics all our lives and we're fine but people with a family history of mental illness should probably never touch them cause it's kind of playing Russian roulette with your brain
Yes! And I was reading that amphetamines (like Vyvanse, which he took) can trigger schizophrenia in people who are prone to it. And schizophrenia tends to occur in men at about Austin's age. People suffering from schizophrenia also have a tendency to take illegal drugs in an effort to self-medicate. Austin's story, to me, seems very like a young man suffering from the onset of schizophrenia, with his loved ones mistaking it for drug addiction only. They did their best to deal with his drug problem, and seem to have been quite successful in getting him clean, but they didn't recognize that there was a deeper mental problem that needed different treatment. I feel so terrible for every person in this story, Austin included. I hope he's able to get the help he needs...
Nobody should use them family history or not. You speak as if random mental illness doesn't pop up all the time. Even genetic mental illness pops up and is passed on. No one should take that gamble. There's no point in it besides self pleasure. Not worth the risk that you go crazy and others have to suffer from your insanity episodes.
Also… Mr. Ballen is one of my FAVORITE TH-camrs. I have watched almost all of his videos. He is an amazing story teller and seems like a humble man. He was a Navy Seal for 6 years (?) and I have gotten to watch him blow up this past year. He doesn’t miss a beat, stays the same. It’s great. Just teamed up with Mr. Beast on some Ocean Cleaning project. Check out HIS haunted story that happened to him. It’s pretty dope. His Halloween playlist is real good. It’s just good watching you enjoy him.
Depends on what you call mental illness. Someone suffering from a traumatic poverty striken childhood shoots a store clerk while robbing the store. He's suffering from mental illness too related to his shit childhood. All of that mess shapes the brain to be stunted, lack empathy and go into survival mode. Most people who commit crimes are mentally ill. We just don't give them any help because no one cares. Unless it's extreme and prohibits the person from functioning in society, we don't call it mental illness. Entire populations of people can suffer from generational trauma that leads to mental illness within their communities. Recently there is more talk about this but change and understanding is slow. There's an interesting drama on Netflix about this within the Jewish community related to the passed down trauma from the Holocaust. You see it very commonly in Native American populations and African American populations too for obvious reasons. It's also in white populations, especially when poverty is involved or abuse. Trauma can be passed down and mess people up.
People living with mental illness are no more violent than the general population. This is true unless alcohol or other drugs are in the picture, then the rate of violent behavior in people with mental illness goes up.
What a crazy story, omg😱 I really like this guy, MrBallen. What a great storyteller! He's truly in his element with his channel. Thanks, Lav Luka, I really like your channel as well. 😊👍
I will simplify it, basically it’s the family’s fault for not taking quick action instead of quickly taking him straight to the hospital the family just brought him back to the restaurant very foolish.
When Medical professionals receive patients in the Emergency Room…their goal is to save lives, no matter who you are…they don’t decide your fate…imagine if we don’t give anyone who is a murderer or other criminals medical attention when they are hurt? This will not happen unless it’s turned into law…although I agree with you, why save somebody whose killed or a menace to society?
The reason the doctors helped Austin out of his coma was because it’s required. It’s standard medical practice. Regardless of who the individual is and their background, it’s illegal not to treat them.
Drinking Vegetable oil? Parmesan cheese everywhere? WAIT He was smoking the cheese wasn't he! I know the true identity of this guy in the story guys!!!
He definitely showed other minor symptoms of clinical lycanthropy. One of the origins of the werewolf myths (believe me, there's a few origins) was cases of children, usually autistic though sometimes not, roaming around on their own, particularly at night, with no rhyme or reason as to why, with no plan whatsoever. They often did so against the wishes of their families, sometimes in groups, and would just act unruly (not to be confused with anything like hooliganism).
I honestly could have done without the images they added it when Austin was hallucinating about the woman being a witch. Other than that, it was an intense video.
I remember seeing this on the news and Dr Phils inte?rview. Disturbing to say the least. Great reactions sorry about loss. So did this make you feel better
to you not knowing what Vyvanse is, it is a medicine that works similar but not as strong as Adderal. Used to treat ADHD but often abused by students who need to stay awake and cram.
Ok so I just learned this yesterday, not only do I live 5 minutes away from this but I'm a electrician and I've been doing work for this kids dad for the last 2 weeks. I wondered why we haddent met him but only talked them over the phone. Apparently they have a hard time getting anybody to do work at their house
The reason they tried to save his life is because they're doctors, that's their job regardless of who it is or what they've done, besides if he died then he wouldn't be able to be either held responsible and or helped... I mean what he did was horrific, but he wasn't in his right mind so it's not like he's completely a monster, he's sick.
The 1967 "summer of love " in San Francisco was this kind of nightmare over and over. LSD was being tried by kids that thought it would 'expand their consciousness'. The hospitals were so full they had gurneys lining the halls. In a flashback moment one young man cut off his best friends arm, took it with him and was found driving around with it in the back seat of his car. People walked out of six story windows. Jokers would put LSD on potato chips at a pool party resulting in drownings. Bizarre events all summer. Not so much love but the only those who cant remember anything call it that. Charles Manson was released from prison and began collecting his group off the streets of S.F. at that same time. Some psychosis is self-inflicted.
LSD was the greatest drug i ever did. It wont make you go crazy unless you have other reasons than the drug for going crazy. I still wouldn't do it again tho bc its much more intense then some give it credit for
35:05 Don't be so simple minded, they weren't wasting resources to help Austin, they're saving him so they can give him just punishment, study him, figure out what went wrong, etc..., and use that information in the future. If you just let him die, all you have is a corpse. You'll never figure out why this perfect citizen suddenly snapped and went insane, you'll be right where you were before, clueless.
Don't call him simple-minded just because he didn't know something. The man said what he thought would have been the case and was wrong, don't insult the man for no reason
Thank you. No need for people to get nasty and mean at the reactor. Clearly he's feeling emotional about this horrible act. Even I felt that it was a waste to save Austin after what he'd done but by the end I felt extreme sympathy for him. It's an emotional rollercoaster of a story and also speaks to how excellent the narrator is.
Total generalization, but from experience, I wouod say that a guy getting into body building can be a huge red flag in and of itself. There are many issues that can bring this obsession (and yeah, frankly, actual body building requires obsession for it to work... not to mention the very real possibility that someone who gets into it will at some point be at least super tempted to start playing with roids). .
I don’t know what the hell happened to this kid, but it isn’t the first time someone has completely lost their minds and annihilated another person. Remember the bath salt craziness a few years back. We thought it was going to be a zombie apocalypse. We made jokes. I wonder if he tried bath salts, depending how old the story is. I’m telling you, I ain’t worried about a “Dawn of the Dead” happening. I come more near believing it will be “28 Days Later”.
The definition of legal insanity is not knowing the difference between right and wrong. He was experiencing a psychotic episode. This situation is tragic, but I can't bring myself to label this man as evil. I have issues with his family's reactions. His mom driving him back to the restaurant after what she witnessed at her home. Call someone and wait there with your child. The rest of the fam as well. I know hindsight is 20/20 but his behavior wasn't just odd, it was clearly-delusional. He should not have been allowed to leave alone. Now, I don't know if Jon would have passed anyway. My guess is the stab wounds are what got him, but at some point the risk/benefit of shooting that gun falls heavy into the former category. There are so many murder cases committed by completely-lucid individuals that required careful planning and premeditation. Often money being at the root of those crimes. I feel as if those individuals are far more evil than someone who is convinced he's being chased by demons and thinks the only way to save himself is to fight that dark beings. I hope Austin is able to find a med plan that allows him to remain lucid, and that he's sent to a facility that treats and houses folks who are sick through no fault of their own. He should never be released from that institution, but I don't believe while in there he should be punished. I'm sure the realization of what he'd done causes him great pain. I'd be surprised if he didn't succumb to suicide. I feel terrible for the husband and wife who lost their lives. But, I also feel sympathy for Austin. Anyone who's ever been around someone with a profound psychotic disorder knows they face hell everyday. Side note: Dr. Phil is an unqualified, exploitative piece of crap. Rant over:)
@@newgrl Right? I believe he was an Oprah creation. Not a fan of hers either. Who creates a magazine for the sole purpose of making sure they are each month's cover girl? lol
One of the main issues with drugs is that it metabolizes. While it didn't show up on the tox screen, and it wasn't mentioned if he was asked if he took anything doesn't mean he wasn't on something else. That is part of the popularity of GHB as a date rape drug, it won't show up in tests since the body deals with it quickly. I am curious what the typical metabolic rates are for bath salts. That said they probably haven't done those kid of studies. When the did some of those studies on other drugs, human testing had less rules.
His brain could have been fried smoking PCP. That happened to a friend of mine and he would say weird off the wall stuff like that, he's in prison for fighting a lady cop smh
Yes marijuana is legal in flordia. It is in many states. But the federal government ( Washington DC. Still classifies it as a felony. Same class as crack and heroine! )
mind altering drugs do exactly that, alter the mind. sometime it's temporary, sometimes it's permanent. people who's mind has been damaged by these drugs don't have to still be taking it to remain/relapse into a psychotic state.
stfu pls lol if you dont know what ur on about, just stop. None of the drugs he did: alc, weed, the stimulant and molly would "alter" his mind they could only bring on or exacerbate a pre existing condition such as mental illness that runs in the family. Fake molly could contain harmful, even leathal substances, but its still not likely it would contain anything that would give him straight up long lasting psychosis at all.
A person having a psychotic break can’t usually see or feel reality. His family sweeping the warning signs under the rug has a lot to do with this.
Agreed - they should have Baker Acted him, and this may not have happened. Unfortunately, most people, family included, just don't know what to do, or what resources are available.
@@gdhaney136 weren’t they trying to baker act him? Or was that another story by him?
Seems like the man was on bath salts, but maybe not.
Nevermind, scratch that, just got to the end of the vid, But this would be something someone on bath salts would do.
Eating someone's face isn't something you can predict. Sorry buddy.
The lesson here is if someone in your family is exhibiting signs of psychosis, don’t just hope it fixes itself. The moment he was home from school and saying crazy shit, that was the time to intervene. Not just lock the bedroom doors and hope everything would be fine. Or when he’s eating cooking oil you don’t just drop him back off at the restaurant and drive off. The kid needed help and his parents delayed and delayed until it was too late.
Agreed, it's part of the stigma of mental health problems. He was having a first break psychosis and needed hel ASAP; I'm sure when the he attacked people he was deep into some paranoid delusion.
true, but sometimes people arent even aware of some signs
Yep. I wouldn't go as far as to blame the family... that isn't my place to do so. But I 100% agree with you (I am not implying you blamed the family, either; I just wanted to note that), and yes, a BIG lesson. That hopefully others can also learn from. That is why cases like this are important to educate people about, and not simply demonize and say a crazed man ate someones face, etc. For a hit piece.
@@rainbows5232 yeah, which is why it really needs more widespread attention and consideration from people/taking it serious. Sadly many will ignore it if they don't expect to ever deal with it.
But yeah, this kid was showing red flag city. They never should have let it get close to as far as it did. Not that I blame them, of course!
Yeah, it seemed like much of the observations were Aug 7-15th after his visit with his girlfriend
Like maybe clear mania
His dad was trying to get him to take Valium or Xanax. Austin figured drugs would kill him (he'd thrown them away, and that week was avoiding alcohol. And avoiding weed, and by extension sleeping.
Dad tried to keep him from driving (though he hopped on the hood and car roof til he gave em back- drove behind him to their destination instead) cause he had a couple reckless driving moments
On the 14th Wade/Dad took him to a gun show (in a text Austin said he was looking forward to it) where he bought himself a knife for protection from evil
(This night Haley's like "okay he's actually out of touch with reality, Dad, we gotta use the Bakers Act" )
(This night or previous he goes to Keri's room at 2-3am because he's anxious, can he sleep in here-- and he cuddled the dog bc it'd protect him or smth)
On the morning of the 15th he took him on a nature walk to try and distract him a little
Sorry this got long.
His mom should have driven him to the hospital instead of back to the restaurant. And there were many possibly dozens of opportunities to get him help.
The Baker Act in Florida can only be used if the patient is found to be incompetent to consent to treatment. Since Austin was usually viewed as cognizant (normal), and had done no harm to himself or others up until this incident, it is doubtful the law would have overridden Austin's 'rights' and forced an incarceration. Evidence is how the Federal mask mandate is fought in Florida because it limits personal freedom.
@@beckysimeone4882 he only said hospital not baker act
@@bennytennyson Yeah, exactly. Plus trying to jump into traffic would for sure be considered a suicide attempt or at least attempt at self harm. He would've gotten help if they tried explaining that to a professional.
Ikr? His family is just as much to blame for this as he is, if not more so. They knew there was something wrong with him for a full month before this happened, and they did nothing except lock him out of their rooms at night so he wouldn't bother THEM.
@@beckysimeone4882 the Baker Act doesn't prevent someone from taking them to a hospital and they never tried so there is no indication he would have refused if they had. Instead they were judgmental of his behavior when they should have been concerned.
The doctors keep him alive because doctors take an oath to save lives, not to judge who is or isn’t deserving of saving.
That oath isn’t taken as seriously as it was one to two hundred years ago. They actually don’t HAVE to do anything, unless they are currently working or on-call.
@@CChissel Well I suppose technically you’re right, but it’s still strange to me that you think thousands of medical doctors, doctors of osteopathy, podiatrists, and Physicians’ Assistants don’t take their oath to do no harm all that seriously. Well firstly, the Hippocratic Oath is archaic, in fact, the year I was born, 1973, in addition to Roe vs. Wade, the Supreme Court also ruled that the Hippocratic oath was basically behind the times. Here in America, the AMA Code of Medical Ethics has been gold standard for a long time…and considering how much physicians pay for their insurance premiums, there’s no way they’re less than absolutely serious about not doing harm to their patients. Breaking that ideology may not have direct punishments, but it opens them up to massive malpractice law suits.
@@CChissel good doctors do take it seriously!
@@SeanShimamoto doctors kill babies all the time and no one cares
No shit
Yeah I was astounded his mom just dropped him off the restaurant after catching him chugging vegetable oil… and that he was gone for 30+ minutes and his dad/sister/friend at the restroom just sit there as opposed to trying to find him after he already tried walking into traffic on the way to the restaurant
Based on the interviews it seemed like he'd barely started drinking it when she stopped him (he doesnt remember drinking the oil, remembered being natural like an animal, til his mom's reaction made him feel like it wasn't)
Iirc *
(just read the report) his mom called his dad, who said to bring him back
It was Aug 14th when Haley was finally like "okay this is really bad, Dad we need to use the Baker Act) and then the next day it happened
And if the interview is right, his friend actually did catch up to him, try to convey the dads apology and ask him to come back. Austin asked him to come with him but Sam didn't because his phone was dead or smth
But 30 minutes I still don't remember reading about that 30 min interval in Resnick's report
His actions are typical of psychosis. Having both his parents in the medial field, I'm surprised they didn't put that together. Yes, some could have been drug related, but not all of it, and if he had gotten help in time, he could have been medicated appropriately. It's not uncommon for young adult males to start showing signs of psychosis usually related to schizophrenia. Most can live a typically normal life if they are given proper medication and help with managing it. I feel bad for this kid as well as the victims. He is now likely tortured by knowing what he did.
Even if it was just drugs getting him to a facility could have helped to keep him away from them long enough to stage an intervention
The doctors saved him because their job is to save lives not discriminate
Bullshit. They discriminate every MOTHER FUCKING DAY. Youve never been in a hospital or what? Its extremely bad…Wealthy ppl first. If you dont have insurance out you go…
I think discriminate is the wrong word. It is their job.
@@btnhstillfire As as a nurse I can tell you that statement is wrong. We give health care to all regardless of financial situation.
Lol u feel good about urself now? You tell him!😂
So that he can face a jury of his peers.
…his parents are doctors…. And yet they didn’t think about going to the hospital till it was too late.
His family failed him. He showed so many signs of needing help and instead of helping him they tried to pretend everything was ok.
They didn’t do wrong in treating the drug addiction first but the mom should have taken him straight to the hospital and lied and said they were going back to the restaurant and texted the father and sister
Seriously!
When a family member tries to walk into traffick right in front of you, it's time to realize they need more than just a stern talking to from dad, ffsake!
You say this while having an outside perspective. Your statement literally means nothing.
@@sandpiperr Well this was Haley
I think she brought the Baker Act up to her dad the night before
35:00 bro it's the court's job to determine the punishment, if they were to kill him, or willingly and knowingly let him die, they'd probably face some real consequences
I'm pretty sure they're legally required to help the suspect
They let my aunt die….She didnt eat anyone.
@@btnhstillfire Same with my uncle. He had an infection "they couldn't find" so they let him lie there and die. My best friend went brain dead after a car accident because he laid in their care with a brain bleed for 3 hours before they flew him to a different hospital to harvest him. Doctors are scum and hospitals will just watch your loved ones die because they can't be bothered to do anything
@@btnhstillfire oh boo hoo. "Corrupt mfs in the medical industry killed my aunt. Why aren't all doctors corrupt this isn't fair!!!!"
I have heard this MrBallen story before. Actually, I've heard all of them before.... but anyway. I have the same feeling now, rewatching, as I did then. I want to pick up his parents and shake them silly. This boy needed help. Even if they thought it was just drugs, that's not something you can just tell someone to stop doing, especially with all of the drugs Austin admitted to taking. So, even if you just thought your boy was taking lots and lots of drugs, professional help was absolutely needed here. None of Austin's behavior was something he was just going to just stop doing. Parents. If your child is acting like this in any way, get them help. Immediately.
Yeah, it's surely 100% their fault... He was an adult, of course. But he lived under their roof, and he couldn't help himself, given the state he was in. A mentally ill person can't assess their own mental state. He showed so many signs, and they clearly ignored him. They locked their doors when he said he was seeing demons... Seriously? I would've grabbed him and led him directly to a therapist's office right that moment. All I can take from this story is that they didn't loved him enough to bother... Disgusting
Luka. Law in the United States/Florida is not: When someone is unconscious on the ground, leave them there and wait for them to die, or get up on their own so you can arrrest them. It is also not: shoot and kill the unconscious person because they are a killer. It is to take them to the hospital. In the hospital: The law is not 'selectively choose who to let die using your discretion', or 'if this person killed x number of people in y ways, then withdraw life support and let them die'.
They don't attempt to keep him alive so they can try to gain insight into his reasons. They try to keep him alive because there it is illegal to selectively decide to kill, or allow to die someone in a hospital based on some criteria or discretion.Thank god, too, because that law would need to be thousands of pages long to properly account for every possible scenario.
Nevermind that this Austin kid has OBVIOUSLY had a complete psychiatric breakdown and needs to be in a psychiatric hospital and medicated, as they were not in proper control of their actions during their crimes.
The thing is, they should've shot him as soon as they realized what he's doing. And don't f say they couldn't because they would harm the victim. He's not paid any attention to them so they could've easily do that from the right angle. But instead these useless individuals decided to watch the man being eaten alive.
I agree, and it's not only applicable in Florida. It's a human right. Even death row inmates have the right to be treated by a doctor when in need, even if they are going to be executed later. Plus, doctors are bound by the Hippocratic oath, and police officers are not executioners. They didn't have the right circumstances to remove him and restrain him because he wasn't even stunned by the taser, the multiple kicks to the head, or the dog biting him. Who knows how to act in a situation like that? Plus, I'm sure they were trying to keep them both alive. Austin was going to be dealt with later in court, not executed on spot. Too bad the damage he inflicted was too much. Plus, he is seriously disturbed and mentally ill. There's no way you can have him sentenced like a normal person. I still feel like most of the blame was on his parents. He showed serious red flags pretty early on. He should've been committed as soon as he started acting up and saying these weird stuff as soon as he came back from college. But they dragged it on for two more months... Ugh
I will say that if he'd lunged at the cops during that attack I GUARANTEE they'd have shot him dead. So that is interesting.
@@HadassaMoon144 yeah, but that is totally different. Had he lunged at one of the civilians in the same manner, they would also shoot. If he was on top of a cop eating his face in the manner described here, probably not.
I concede that it is possible that the cops had an easy job and could have killed him without risk of harming the man underneath him if they wanted, but chose not to.
None of us were there, none of us can know for sure.
But typically police in America don't refrain from taking deadly measures (but will kick them in the face, etc. Trying to subdue them), and provide an explanation why the perpetrator did not get shot at.
Usually it would be the other way around, if deadly force is used, attempts to justify (some just, some unjust, surely) the need to use it are made.
I may be wrong, but I think/hope in this case, they treated it the same as if it were a cop being attacked. Just my 2 cents/speculation, of course.
Your son was chugging vegetable oil and you...just sent him back to the restaurant???
Resnick's reported interviews kinda suggest he had barely started drinking it
Though he put it on (mozzarella) cheese and ate some pieces before she drove him back (she called his dad and he said to bring him back)
For most cases of severe mental illness, symptoms don't really appear until someone is in their early 20s. So I think the drugs were a way for him to self-nedicate for his illness that he was starting to have symptoms of.
True this happens with many people. Men usually exhibit symptoms in late teens or 20s. Women usually in 30 s for some mental illnesses. People frequently self medicate unfortunately.
Yep. Many people who are brushed of as simply “ drug addicts” are actually suffering from a mental illness. It’s really sad many homeless people also have mental health problems that are ignored because they are alone living on the streets and there is no one to really help them.
Self medicating yes but at the same time a lot of those drugs can mess up your brain so in a way those drugs possibly accelerated any underlying mental problems he had
Your reactions to MrBallen are my favorite. His story telling is awesome and your reactions to the stories makes it even better.
This is why mental health needs to be treated seriously and not brushed aside or downplayed.
Mental illness can take you at any time, so it's especially important you pay attention to your emotions, your headspace and report to a professional and or family members when you aren't feeling right. We still have little knowledge of how our brains work, and it's a scary thing knowing that something like this can happen to any of us at any time. This guy had been going through something for over a year and he was ignored... Don't just "suggest" your brother needs professional help, actively working with him to get him into inpatient observation for 48 hours would have been a good start. Had he gotten professional help for his depression when he first realized that it had turned into a consistent monthly issue, maybe none of this would have happened. I would be willing to bet that prior to any of this, and even before his depression hit there were subtle hints that something was going on... problem is, people don't pay attention to others close enough, and they often can't find patterns of behavior but once you establish said patterns, it's easier to find when things are going wrong.
Agreed. My dad was luck to have family notice he was not right. They actually committed him to a state psych ward in the 50s to help him. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia and put on meds and he got better. Had to see/ report to a therapist every months. Forever. Family should have got him treatment. Also if you got family members that are exhibiting these symptoms get them help! And keep putting them back in the psych center till they get better!
Wish asking for help worked. I believe the response I got was "it didn't work last time" 😕
There's too many times this happens where people aren't treated in time! Please get your loved ones help!
Indeed and they could afford it too but I guess with their social standing they wanted to keep looking like the perfect and average family or something, so they didn’t get him the help he needed
I wonder if his substance abuse was an attempt to self-medicate an underlying psychoses.
No he was just a drug addict that went to far and couldnt get off drugs. That's all. Ig because hes rich they make it seem like this is mental health issue but really this was just a junkie addict rich kid on a bad trip.
@@TheBasher-_- There was only a very small amount of THC in his blood at the time of the massacre, no LSD, etc.
@@walter_lesaulnier Yeah thing with LSD is it can cause permanent brain damage. And it leaves the system fairly quickly but it doesnt even have to be in your system for an episode like this to happen. Especially when you mix drugs like your a pharmacist. Hes crazy not because of an underlying condition but be cause he fried his brains on drugs.
I think there's a good chance.
@@TheBasher-_- typically drugs like lsd only affect the brain if you already have a condition or if you have genetic conditions. And he’s around the age for schizophrenic issues to start showing which makes sense with the drug use
It's actually common for people not to know they've been stabbed in a fight right away, most of them describe it as "he punched me and then I realized I was bleeding"
I go to this exact school, and am literally watching this video from the campus of Florida State. This is just beyond eerie
It's sad that they tried to take him to a mental health facility a little too late, but I've heard of cases where people do nothing despite the solution being right in front of them.
To answer your question about marijuana, it doesn't really matter if it's illegal in Florida or not. Young people experimenting with marijana use is common in all parts of the US.
Trust me.
Also, medical staff not helping someone because they comitted a crime would be completely illegal and unethical.
They take an oath to do no harm and are obligated to provide the same standard of care to everyone, regardless of what kind of person they are.
Not to mention, letting someone die because they committed a crime is paramount to acting as judge, jury, and executioner.
Justice is putting him through the legal system and forcing him to serve whatever punishment that system deems fitting for his crime.
Not unilaterally deciding that he should die.
Its decriminalized in cities. Statewide its still considered illegal in Florida but its not enforced so it might as well be called legal. Certain cities do have decriminalization in place officially. Daytona Beach is one of them. You can actually find city signs throughout Daytona that state the city allows weed. I was there in July.
Also, justified punishment also means we pay to house and feed him for life. Not real happy w that system.
@@btnhstillfire Well good thing sociopaths like you don't make the law then!
As others have said, it's not up to the doctors to choose who they want to save and who dies. It's literally their job to do the absolute best they can to save everyone.
Another aspect of this is he played football- like rugby football is known for serious head trauma and has caused mental issues from repeated head injuries
What's crazy is this isn't the first story I've heard of drug abuse that turned into an incident of cannibalism 0.0
That’s because it’s the same thing as consuming animal products and when you’re on drugs you don’t know or care about the difference
Drug abuse is a very common sign of mental illness especially if you’ve never had mental illness before
This wasn’t about drug abuse
Those sound effects along with his storytelling😨😱It's a sad situation that could've probably been prevented
As a nurse, I've seen inmates in hospital emergency rooms. I've helped doctors work on some too. We do our jobs, regardless of who this person is
his behavior was insane, i cant understand why no one tried to take him to a hospital
It sucks there was so many chances for him to get help before it was to late but it seems the family didn’t want to admit it and just thought if they ignored it, it would go away or something.
They probably "prayed" about it because Florida.... Instead of getting him real help.
@@Blynat
did you even listen to the video?
it outright said they thought all he needed was help getting off drugs, so they did everything to help him with that.
They didn't do nothing. They just mixed up the cause and effect
@@NikkiTheViolist They didn't do anything to help him get off any drugs either. He never saw any sort of professional. No treatment center. Nothing. There would have been a staff psychologist at any facility and drug testing to determine what kind of drugs he was on had they taken him somewhere. Any trained professional would have seen right away it wasn't drugs. They probably told him to stop doing drugs and gave him strict curfews and such.
Doctors HAVE to treat anyone that needs it. It's not for them to judge and that is the way it should be. lso, let's not forget that Austin was mentally unwell and not really able to be responsible for his actions. He is also a victim here and there is no happy ending to these kinds of stories. I have nothing but sympathy for everyone involved. Most people with mental illness are never violent. This is rare. But it's important not to fear mental illness or perpetuate the stereotypes of them being dangerous. This is just a terrible and tragic turn of events. Devastating.
It's also sad to say, but obvious, that all of his unusual behaviour leading up to this event should be triggered some more urgency - eg. the mother taking him BACK to the restaurant after he was acting insanely in her kitchen. What the fuck? Denial and negligence at its worst. And I completely disagree with you saying it would be better for him to be dead. And the death penalty, and wishing pain on others, regardless of the circumstance, is unhealthy and unproductive. This could happen to anyone, and that is the uncomfortable fact people don't want to accept.
Love his channel too. He's such a good story teller. And they are true stories so disturbing.
and this is exactly why I keep a .38 on me and close by at all times and my wife knows how to use it too.
I can’t wait to see his reaction to the end of this
I blame the father for not keeping watch on his son everytime he left the table. So you mean to tell me the father and everyone who was at the restaurant with him didn’t notice he was gone for long periods of time and even changed his clothes?
This is the first time I have watched a video that has literally made me nauseous af.
I honestly don't understand why the family just kept him at the restaurant instead of getting him some help? Like public places are the worst for a breakdown, anything can go wrong.
This was local news here. I remember this. It’s crazy.
Stuff like this is part of why a fair number of people in the US cary guns.
I can understand how Austin's family was slow in getting him help. One thing that goes on in cases like this is the attitude that it isn't that severe, the problem will eventually work itself out. Time is another factor. You may know something is wrong but, any kind of danger is not imminent. You'll have time to deal with it later. Another possible attitude is that this kind of thing happens in other people's families, not mine. Finally, there's the notion in many Western societies and can be even worse in some Eastern societies that a person suffering from mental illness should just, "get a grip," or "pull themselves together," or not even discuss it at all, bearing the burden silently. This can make the problem worse because, the person suffering the mental illness is made to feel at fault for becoming mentally ill and may be driven further into isolation.
When I was age 18, one of my older brothers began saying some pretty weird things. We went through some of the thought processes I discussed above. He began to hallucinate. My mother, thinking that there was plenty of time, went to work with the intent of taking him to a hospital when she got home We failed to recognize his problems severity in time and time ran out. While my mother was at work, he ended his life by placing a shotgun under his chin and firing the gun. I bore witness to this event.
Omg that's awful. I hope you are ok.
@@savingfelvkitties7424 Thank you. It was a long time ago. I've learned how to carry the memories of that event and become a much stronger person. I eventually pieced together a reasonable understanding of why he did it. That's always the biggest question to try to answer, "why?"
I'm glad to hear that you're doing better now. The why is usually..because the person is suffering. I can only imagine the horror and fear someone experiences during such episodes. I can imagine I'd want to end it too and I'd not know how. The gun seems like a sure way to end the suffering. It's not his fault or anyone's. I'm sure that your heart was lightened when you understood that. I also can't imagine seeing that and losing your brother in that way. That's just so horrible and sad.
I’m so sorry! And yah, there’s still a stigma when it comes to getting help and I’m not from the US but it seems like it’d be hard to get help not to mention unaffordable…
Hope you’re all doing better now though
Luka, you asked how many cops were trying to help get Austin off John: There were two cops only at the scene at that time. A female and a male cop. The female kept her gun trained on Austin while the male tried to get Austin off John without killing John (the victim).
This case shook me
It’s truly is sad all the way around
It is obvious the people responding to this have never had a family member with mental problems who needed help in the USA. When my Aunt, who was also of 'legal age' and living in another state, decided to visit so she could starve herself on her mothers couch, our family tried everything to get her help. She refused to go to the doctor or the hospital and went limp when her brothers tried to carry her out, as well as screaming "Help, help" trying to alert the neighbors to call the police. After a few days, when she could no longer lift her head, they again called the police, who informed us they could do nothing, since she was an adult. Her older sister asked for the policemen's identity so she could inform the reporters after her sister was dead. They then asked "Who owns this house?" and my Grandmother said she did. They asked if she wanted an intruder forcibly evicted from it and she had to reply "Yes". My Aunt was taken to a mental hospital for evaluation, checked herself out 2 days later (the family was not informed) and ended up in Australia, where she eventually broke into her landladies home and tried to kill her. We don't know how Australia handles mentally ill people because we lost all contact with her after that.
I think it depends on what state you live in. The act the parents were considering to force the person into treatment for 72 hours could have worked. At least it would have been a start.
I'm really sorry that happened to you and your family. I know dealing with a mentally ill family member can be kinda difficult. The US, like many countries around the world, does not treat mental illness the same as other illnesses. Couple of things with this story though.
1. These parents were pretty well off. They owned two separate houses in a wealthy neighborhood near the beach in Florida. Money can buy help even if no one wants to help you.
2. Florida has "The Baker Act" which allows family members to commit other adult family members *involuntarily* for 72 hours if they're determined to be incompetent. This would have at least ruled out the drug problem that everyone around Austin seemed so adamant he had.
With all of the shootings by cops of mentally ill people who had family members or friends call them for help, I don't know that I would have had the guts to make that step. Especially if my loved one was deep in an episode.
@@newgrl I am sorry for my Aunt, who was a very intelligent, talented and creative person, like Austin, until mental illness took over. She was very beautiful too. None of the police officers believed she was mentally ill when they talked to her. They said they could only take her in if they thought she was a danger to herself or others, just as the Baker act dictates. People overestimate the law and what it allows families to actually do.
parents should have got him help way earlier. of you have to lock your door things might not be right!!! come on!
Whether Austin deserves to be saved or not is for the court to decide, not for the medical professionals to decide, or even the police. The police uses deadly force to neutralize a threat. The fatality, not to be confused with an actual death sentence, is incidental to that. In this case, it looks like they abstained from that probably because it would risk striking John as well.
If his case for insanity goes through, he can't get the death penalty, but it would still be far from any sort of a vacation or getting off easy. It's explained in the beginning of the video recently popularized by the algorithm, "What pretending to be crazy looks like" by JCS Criminal Psychology.
Certain psychedelics can damage your brain long after you get clean. Sad situation
35:05 That's a basic human right... It's applicable everywhere in the world. You treat everyone, no matter what they've done. Even death row inmates have the right to be treated by a doctor and kept alive, only to be put down later. It's up to the court to judge someone to decide either they are incarcerated or sentenced to death, not up to police officers or doctors. Plus doctors are bound to the Hippocratic oath: "I will maintain the utmost respect for human life; I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat; I make these promises solemnly, freely and upon my honour."
Even if you stop using drugs you can experience a bad trip all over again even 40 years later without being on anything. This is what it sounds like
That’s called schizophrenia
Psychedelics can trigger mental issues in people who have them already but haven't shown signs of them. Me and my friends have used psychedelics all our lives and we're fine but people with a family history of mental illness should probably never touch them cause it's kind of playing Russian roulette with your brain
Also one bad trip can send you into a psychotic state.
Yes! And I was reading that amphetamines (like Vyvanse, which he took) can trigger schizophrenia in people who are prone to it. And schizophrenia tends to occur in men at about Austin's age. People suffering from schizophrenia also have a tendency to take illegal drugs in an effort to self-medicate.
Austin's story, to me, seems very like a young man suffering from the onset of schizophrenia, with his loved ones mistaking it for drug addiction only. They did their best to deal with his drug problem, and seem to have been quite successful in getting him clean, but they didn't recognize that there was a deeper mental problem that needed different treatment.
I feel so terrible for every person in this story, Austin included. I hope he's able to get the help he needs...
Nobody should use them family history or not. You speak as if random mental illness doesn't pop up all the time. Even genetic mental illness pops up and is passed on. No one should take that gamble. There's no point in it besides self pleasure. Not worth the risk that you go crazy and others have to suffer from your insanity episodes.
@@HadassaMoon144 says someone who has obviously never taken any sort of psychedelic and has no idea what they're like
Also… Mr. Ballen is one of my FAVORITE TH-camrs. I have watched almost all of his videos. He is an amazing story teller and seems like a humble man. He was a Navy Seal for 6 years (?) and I have gotten to watch him blow up this past year. He doesn’t miss a beat, stays the same. It’s great. Just teamed up with Mr. Beast on some Ocean Cleaning project. Check out HIS haunted story that happened to him. It’s pretty dope. His Halloween playlist is real good. It’s just good watching you enjoy him.
Lav is watching Mr. Ballen videos to cheer up after Man United games. Look what Ole has done to our poor lad.
Vyvanse is actually a Doctor prescribed medication, or it’s suppose to be.
So are most stimulants
It is important to know that, statistically, the mentally ill are less violent than the general population.
Depends on what you call mental illness. Someone suffering from a traumatic poverty striken childhood shoots a store clerk while robbing the store. He's suffering from mental illness too related to his shit childhood. All of that mess shapes the brain to be stunted, lack empathy and go into survival mode. Most people who commit crimes are mentally ill. We just don't give them any help because no one cares. Unless it's extreme and prohibits the person from functioning in society, we don't call it mental illness. Entire populations of people can suffer from generational trauma that leads to mental illness within their communities. Recently there is more talk about this but change and understanding is slow. There's an interesting drama on Netflix about this within the Jewish community related to the passed down trauma from the Holocaust. You see it very commonly in Native American populations and African American populations too for obvious reasons. It's also in white populations, especially when poverty is involved or abuse. Trauma can be passed down and mess people up.
People living with mental illness are no more violent than the general population. This is true unless alcohol or other drugs are in the picture, then the rate of violent behavior in people with mental illness goes up.
What a crazy story, omg😱
I really like this guy, MrBallen. What a great storyteller! He's truly in his element with his channel. Thanks, Lav Luka, I really like your channel as well. 😊👍
I will simplify it, basically it’s the family’s fault for not taking quick action instead of quickly taking him straight to the hospital the family just brought him back to the restaurant very foolish.
Oh and by the way LUKA we are still watching your longer videos 👍
When Medical professionals receive patients in the Emergency Room…their goal is to save lives, no matter who you are…they don’t decide your fate…imagine if we don’t give anyone who is a murderer or other criminals medical attention when they are hurt? This will not happen unless it’s turned into law…although I agree with you, why save somebody whose killed or a menace to society?
The reason the doctors helped Austin out of his coma was because it’s required. It’s standard medical practice. Regardless of who the individual is and their background, it’s illegal not to treat them.
I don't understand why he is in jail and not a psychiatric facility.
Jails have psychiatric wards
“This man’s hungry wtf”
Llf
Drinking Vegetable oil?
Parmesan cheese everywhere? WAIT He was smoking the cheese wasn't he! I know the true identity of this guy in the story guys!!!
Let's Go Brandon!!!
He definitely showed other minor symptoms of clinical lycanthropy. One of the origins of the werewolf myths (believe me, there's a few origins) was cases of children, usually autistic though sometimes not, roaming around on their own, particularly at night, with no rhyme or reason as to why, with no plan whatsoever. They often did so against the wishes of their families, sometimes in groups, and would just act unruly (not to be confused with anything like hooliganism).
In the US, doctors are required by law to treat all medical emergencies regardless of how they arrived there.
I honestly could have done without the images they added it when Austin was hallucinating about the woman being a witch. Other than that, it was an intense video.
This is a poor man’s version of Count Dankula’s “mad lads” videos.
He’s a monster.
Dear heavens, this story is rough!! wow I'm traumatized!
two of my favourite youtubers in one video :DDDD
28:18 “he’s eating his cheeks” 😂
I remember seeing this on the news and Dr Phils inte?rview. Disturbing to say the least. Great reactions sorry about loss. So did this make you feel better
:o
Family totally at fault. As for the cops' delayed reaction, well...White neighborhood, White boy = extra caution. Nevertheless, pity for him.
He was in zombi mode.
No way in hell I’m willing to touch him
I feel like I just saw a two hour movie
I remember hearing about this on the news. I’m sure his parents feel guilty for not seeking help sooner.
28:17 Even though the situation is serious, that statement made me chuckle. I'm childish...
to you not knowing what Vyvanse is, it is a medicine that works similar but not as strong as Adderal. Used to treat ADHD but often abused by students who need to stay awake and cram.
This happened 5 minutes away from where I lived at the time,
Ok so I just learned this yesterday, not only do I live 5 minutes away from this but I'm a electrician and I've been doing work for this kids dad for the last 2 weeks. I wondered why we haddent met him but only talked them over the phone. Apparently they have a hard time getting anybody to do work at their house
That's sad.
@@cindyknudson2715 well he's a complete asshole but as long as his money is green that's all I care about
I will never look at Furries the same way again....
I remember when this happened. Just shocking.
Maybe he ate John's face to get the taste of vegatable oil out of his mouth.
The reason they tried to save his life is because they're doctors, that's their job regardless of who it is or what they've done, besides if he died then he wouldn't be able to be either held responsible and or helped... I mean what he did was horrific, but he wasn't in his right mind so it's not like he's completely a monster, he's sick.
And this is why you don’t do hardcore drugs.
Sad to hear about the loss against Man City, but I'm a Chelsea fan and we're gonna need that win three weeks from now.
The 1967 "summer of love " in San Francisco was this kind of nightmare over and over. LSD was being tried by kids that thought it would 'expand their consciousness'. The hospitals were so full they had gurneys lining the halls. In a flashback moment one young man cut off his best friends arm, took it with him and was found driving around with it in the back seat of his car. People walked out of six story windows. Jokers would put LSD on potato chips at a pool party resulting in drownings. Bizarre events all summer. Not so much love but the only those who cant remember anything call it that. Charles Manson was released from prison and began collecting his group off the streets of S.F. at that same time. Some psychosis is self-inflicted.
LSD was the greatest drug i ever did. It wont make you go crazy unless you have other reasons than the drug for going crazy. I still wouldn't do it again tho bc its much more intense then some give it credit for
35:05 Don't be so simple minded, they weren't wasting resources to help Austin, they're saving him so they can give him just punishment, study him, figure out what went wrong, etc..., and use that information in the future. If you just let him die, all you have is a corpse. You'll never figure out why this perfect citizen suddenly snapped and went insane, you'll be right where you were before, clueless.
True
Don't call him simple-minded just because he didn't know something. The man said what he thought would have been the case and was wrong, don't insult the man for no reason
Thank you. No need for people to get nasty and mean at the reactor. Clearly he's feeling emotional about this horrible act. Even I felt that it was a waste to save Austin after what he'd done but by the end I felt extreme sympathy for him. It's an emotional rollercoaster of a story and also speaks to how excellent the narrator is.
U really think they got anything out of him? They arent learning shit from it and you fucking know it.
Except he clearly didn’t go from “perfect” to “insane” it kept getting worse over time but no one got him the help he increasingly needed
Total generalization, but from experience, I wouod say that a guy getting into body building can be a huge red flag in and of itself. There are many issues that can bring this obsession (and yeah, frankly, actual body building requires obsession for it to work... not to mention the very real possibility that someone who gets into it will at some point be at least super tempted to start playing with roids). .
I don’t know what the hell happened to this kid, but it isn’t the first time someone has completely lost their minds and annihilated another person. Remember the bath salt craziness a few years back. We thought it was going to be a zombie apocalypse. We made jokes. I wonder if he tried bath salts, depending how old the story is. I’m telling you, I ain’t worried about a “Dawn of the Dead” happening. I come more near believing it will be “28 Days Later”.
His mom needs to be charged for just dropping him off after he was acting like that.
no
Austin was ultimately found not guilty by reason of insanity.
Watching this, getting nervous and biting my fingernails... ...and then getting to the eating flesh part... 🤢
The definition of legal insanity is not knowing the difference between right and wrong. He was experiencing a psychotic episode. This situation is tragic, but I can't bring myself to label this man as evil. I have issues with his family's reactions. His mom driving him back to the restaurant after what she witnessed at her home. Call someone and wait there with your child. The rest of the fam as well. I know hindsight is 20/20 but his behavior wasn't just odd, it was clearly-delusional. He should not have been allowed to leave alone.
Now, I don't know if Jon would have passed anyway. My guess is the stab wounds are what got him, but at some point the risk/benefit of shooting that gun falls heavy into the former category.
There are so many murder cases committed by completely-lucid individuals that required careful planning and premeditation. Often money being at the root of those crimes. I feel as if those individuals are far more evil than someone who is convinced he's being chased by demons and thinks the only way to save himself is to fight that dark beings. I hope Austin is able to find a med plan that allows him to remain lucid, and that he's sent to a facility that treats and houses folks who are sick through no fault of their own.
He should never be released from that institution, but I don't believe while in there he should be punished. I'm sure the realization of what he'd done causes him great pain. I'd be surprised if he didn't succumb to suicide.
I feel terrible for the husband and wife who lost their lives. But, I also feel sympathy for Austin. Anyone who's ever been around someone with a profound psychotic disorder knows they face hell everyday.
Side note: Dr. Phil is an unqualified, exploitative piece of crap. Rant over:)
All of this. And Dr. Phil is a total piece of s***.
@@newgrl Right? I believe he was an Oprah creation. Not a fan of hers either. Who creates a magazine for the sole purpose of making sure they are each month's cover girl? lol
uh, no, the dogs get the officers sometimes to....TRUST ME....
One of the main issues with drugs is that it metabolizes. While it didn't show up on the tox screen, and it wasn't mentioned if he was asked if he took anything doesn't mean he wasn't on something else. That is part of the popularity of GHB as a date rape drug, it won't show up in tests since the body deals with it quickly. I am curious what the typical metabolic rates are for bath salts. That said they probably haven't done those kid of studies. When the did some of those studies on other drugs, human testing had less rules.
His brain could have been fried smoking PCP. That happened to a friend of mine and he would say weird off the wall stuff like that, he's in prison for fighting a lady cop smh
I've never heard this story, one of the most horrific things I have ever heard
Hey Lav Luka you should do a reaction video of Killdozer or Man Steals a Tank and goes on a Rampage.
Yes marijuana is legal in flordia. It is in many states. But the federal government ( Washington DC. Still classifies it as a felony. Same class as crack and heroine! )
MrBallen, The Giant of Kandahar.
None of this ever messed up my brain to this extent 🥴
mind altering drugs do exactly that, alter the mind. sometime it's temporary, sometimes it's permanent. people who's mind has been damaged by these drugs don't have to still be taking it to remain/relapse into a psychotic state.
stfu pls lol if you dont know what ur on about, just stop. None of the drugs he did: alc, weed, the stimulant and molly would "alter" his mind they could only bring on or exacerbate a pre existing condition such as mental illness that runs in the family. Fake molly could contain harmful, even leathal substances, but its still not likely it would contain anything that would give him straight up long lasting psychosis at all.
More commonly it just induces/worsens a mental illness that they already had
Bath salt zombie attack, for sure. Florida is WEIRD.