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Metatron, I think a long time ago you said something few positive things about the first movie. Do you still think on the same way about it? Even more now, after the second movie...?
Ridley Scott just announced he is doing a Julius Caesar biopic. It centers around Caesar's conquest of the Aztecs (played by a bunch a Kenyans), his invasion of Australia and conquering of the Aboriginal people (played by Chinese), and of course, his battle against Ulysses S. Grant at the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest, with the barbarians played by Cajuns.
The music score is guarantee to be 100% ancient traditional, only remixed to nightcore, bass boosted and sung by Scott himself while he's taking a shower.
On leather bracelets. I've read that back in day in Hollywood when they were shooting movies from Roman period ( Ben Hurr, Cleopatra etc.) they had problem with actors wrists. When actors remove watches there were different skin shades on the places where watches were (Because off the sun). So they use leather bracelets to hide it. And the bracelets just stick from then on as something that Romans did. I don't know if it is true, but is a nice explanation 🙂
@@fabioq6916 why do you doubt it? What would be the point in commissioning an expensive work of art and then just leave is bare stone? Everybody in that time frame has seen marble, they're not impressed by it, why would they not go take the extra minor expense of brightly painting it to really show off? The ancient world was a very bright place. humans don't like drab colors, it makes them grumpy and restless. Any public space would be painting up like a carnival.
Leather bracelets? Nobody would want to show up his artritits, I have painful wrists because of artritis due to old age and I have to have a bracelet . LOLOL
The "Praetorians wear black" thing appearing in the 50s could be a call back to the Austrian painter and his personal army in black Hugo Boss. It fits the way they are portrayed as this nefarious force loyal to the mostly mad emperor existing seperately from the regular legions. Ironically the historical Praetorians were much more dangerous to Emperors than they ever were to their enemies.
The Praetorians barely "betrayed" a handful of emperors. Naturaly with your modernistic look on history you fail to understand that they in situations in which they acted as such, they were certain they were in the right because the will and authority given by Jupiter to the emperor was no longer present. Similiar situations were happening in China were the ruling class descended from proto indoeuropean warrior class and adopted this heaven-ruler worldview.
i think there may also ve a bit of product packaging culture mixed in, like black+gold = more exclusive than red+chrome . Then, when they wanna make something look low-tier, they use earth tones. Also, didn't Roman marines wear blue? Or was it the warhammer high elves. I forget.
@@HeliodromusScorpio Yes of course, it was all because the Emperor lost "the Mandate of Heaven" and it was absolutely not the handsome payrises and cushy well paid offices all the involved got from the next Emperor... They offed Caligula because they got paid to do so, they offed Galba because he failed to pay them, they offed Pertinax because he tried to disband them and auctioned off the title of Emperor to Julianus for the nice little sumn of 25'000 sestertii _per Praetorian_ (a Legionary got paid 600 sestertii a year). Not sure Jupiter, or any other "Sky Father" would have endorsed all that...
Btw who the hell has been keeping and polishing Maximus's armour and shield and sharpening his sword for 16 years so it appears as brand new the moment that Lucius guy takes it out the scabbard?! 😂
Pedro Pascal along with every officer centurion optio, triarii hastati and even the Numidians and everyone: "Let's all wear leather bracers and give Metatron some trolling time(again)"
I hate how when a historical movie comes out the entire history fan community expects in advance for it to be terrible. Gladiator II was exactly how everyone predicted.
Blame the producers, who hire historians and fuss about research only to ignore the facts and twist all events due to "cool factor". No researcher or consultant likes to be called just to be ignored on set and then see his name attached as if they were responsible for the absurds. Hollywood might as well stop calling the movies "historical" if they will mistreat History that much.
In the 1970s BBC miniseries "I, Claudius" the praetorians are shown as just wearing the same military uniforms as other soldiers. The series had everyone wearing bronze lorica musculata.
@@TheSuperappelflap Today's audiences who want graphic sex, violence, and special effects will be disappointed and bored. But, if you want great acting, great writing, and great storytelling, you can't do better than "I, Claudius."
The leather bracers are there to add complexity and texture to the outfit. It’s the same as greeblies glued onto starship surfaces. The idea is that simple, realistic outfits come across as “low budget”. A great example is the floor plates on starships in video games. They are so textured that they become tripping hazards and there is no way to move a wheeled pushcart across them.
When it comes to bows, holding a half draw for a minute or two could be feasible but not a full draw for more than 15-20 seconds. I think the trope comes more from modern sport bows that use gear ratio pulleys that allow you to pull the string with 1/10 the power you would normally need. So you can hold a full draw on a 150 pound modern bow for a long time without tiring because the actual weight on your arms is under 15 pounds.
The one aspect of this movie that is better than the original is the politics. In the first movie the idea that Marcus Aurelius could just make Rome a republic was just fantasy. I think the sequel addressed this in a thoughtful way. When the empire is in terminal decline, it's in the interest of the powerful to exploit the decay. There's no saving Rome from itself.
Even though I'm a history buff I have no issues whatsoever with movies like Gladiator taking liberties with historical fact because the film isn't being promoted/presented as historical fact. In fact some of the best TV shows and films are the ones that play with historical people,settings and events in creative and fun ways. This is why Grimm is one of my favorite TV shows, the creative ways that it plays with the Crusades, the Great Fire Of Rome, destruction of Pompeii, Mount St. Helens, right down explaining Van Gogh insanity is very good, fun and creative and downright entertaining. In the episodes "Kiss of the Muse", "Trial by Fire" and ""Volcanalis" of Grimm I love how the writers attributed Van Gogh's insanity to being under the spell of wesen, a wesen conspiring with Nero to set Rome on fire and Volcanalis being responsible for Pompeii's destruction. Like I said I'm a history buff but at the same time I hate it when other history buffs get overworked because something isn't on point. BTW Fury and Wars Horse is actually one of the best historically accurate films despite some things being fictional i.e characters.
Good for you to know your history but you would be surprised how many people, especially young ones are ignorant and take everything as realistic facts. Better always punctuate the relevant artistic licences.
i think people would care a lo less if the movie had been any good. The first gladiator isn't that historically accurate, but it was a good movie that actually put quite a bit of effort into at least looking authentic This one's such a boring slog one can't help but notice all the laziness of the production design.
I’m glad that they made the Praetorian guard actually threatening as opposed to finely dressed chumps, but I couldn’t help but find it funny how despite them almost always being shown as heavy infantry in media, they decided to instead make them super-human archers! Elves would be jealous of their accuracy, I don’t think they missed a single shot in the entire movie
Was in Pompeii last summer at one of the new excavation sites. The mosaics and walls were all still faintly painted, skin colours, their clothing, eye colour and hair. Can’t even imagine what it would have looked like in present day
I enjoyed the movie, mostly because I am very ignorant when it comes to roman history, and also because I see the gladiator movies as dumb entertainment, not a documentary, like you said in the first video, that is why I enjoy your videos so much, I always learn something new. We have a lot in common you and I, it's nice
Just what I love to see- Metatron getting angry on re-writing history. Hey Metatron I saw a video today about Gladiators I think it was History Hit, where your friend professor Simon is talking. I am no expert in the field but some of what he said seemed questionable (I'm being gentle), and I would be happy if you will react to him please. Seems to me you will go insane.
On the Bracelets, a couple of reasons they are used. 1. It profiles the arms more and helps with the silhouette on camera. It's a small trick used to fill out the character and helps the outfit look "complete". It's not historically correct of course, but for the camera and audience, when you film a person in armor without something on their forearms/wrists, the outfit looks incomplete on camera. This is especially true on Roman style armors. This is also used for civilians in filming again to help the silhouette of the character and to fill them out. 2. It also is very ingrained, for whatever reason, not sure where it started other than 1950s and on gladiator movies, in people's minds that makes it feel "historic". Ancient outfits just don't feel full and complete without the bracers/bracelets. 3. For actors, it's important to accent an actor's hands for moments when they speak and gesture using their hands and arms. It helps to make the actor's words carry more weight and the gestures become more accentuated. 4. When the costume/wardrobe people put together the outfits, it's on them to make the actor's and extras look as good as possible and you have several people dressing the actors all at once, so they are going to try their best to make every outfit look complete as possible because in front of the camera, you have to overexaggerate your acting and your wardrobe for it to come across as high production. Otherwise, your movie feels cheap and underbudgeted when the actors are not simply dripping in accessories. I have recently become an actor and I've been in the wardrobe asking questions about it and this was what the people in wardrobe have said to me. I took notes and wanted to post it here for you Metatron so that you have it straight from the very people that do the work of making the actors as presentable as possible for the film they are working on. I hope that helps noble one. Long time fan and forever will be my friend :)
god i love the roasting by pedantes inferno, still i would also love to see him react to eastern/japanese based things as well, like Samurai Sword Master Rates 10 Samurai Battle Scenes In Movies And TV | How Real Is It? | Insider, or the last samurai lol
"Orange"... kind of funny, since that colour would have been just another shade of red (just like pink btw). Fun fact the name for the colour was named after the fruit, not reversed... and the the fruit was named after a french town where it was traded (coming from "Sina" (China)). But I'll shut up now, since I'm already interrupting at 0:48.... sorry.....
I'm pretty sure Septimius Severus allowed a legion (II Parthica) to station near Rome (my sources are university lectures of Roman history, university of Trieste). So in this case, though probably Scott didn't do it on purpose, it is not wrong that a legion is stationing near the capital.
Gladiator didn't need a sequel and the movie is indeed a historical mess. This being said though, I was indeed entertained by Macrinus' machinations and the syphillitic fraternal emperors. It was a good thing i stupified myself with a big spliff prior to watching 😅
The Metatron cares not for your entertainment!!! His only interest is in the truth!!!! The whole truth and nothing but the truth!!!!! He is the greatest man there is and the best clapper of historical cheeks in existence!!!!!!!!
I went to see Gladiator 2 Sunday evening, with my daughter. I went not having high expectations to start with. Especially since the first movie in no way “needed” a sequel. In fact, when I first heard of a Gladiator 2, what, the better part of a year ago, I thought it was a joke 😂. I liked it. I would even say I enjoyed it ! It’s in NO WAY accurate of course 😂 and sure, it was a little outlandish at times. And the lines ripped straight from the first movie were a little eye rolling, but for a good “popcorn movie” ? Yeah, definitely. I WILL say I still remember seeing the screening for the first movie when it came out, I was still in the Air Force and for some reason we got screening passes. It quickly became one of my favorite movies of all time. But I vividly remember people ripping on IT just as much as they are THIS one 😂. All in all, sure, I’d watch it again. Just my own opinion though.
Yeah, who goes to the cinema for a history lesson? or to sit through a car chase and pull apart all the outlandish, improbable physics that happen in those. Enjoy it or don't but every film is kinda its own universe whatever the genre.
Definitely not historical accurate but was a fun movie that didn’t live up to the first one. That being said I was entertained. I’m just happy they are making period films. I think it’s getting too much hate when Ridley Scott’s last movie Napoleon deserves the hate since it was horrible
Metatron should make leather bracer merch so it becomes fashion and in the future when they make movies of this historical period they can omit them entirely instead
Metatron? You enjoy video games etc, i know this is off topic but go check out the historical total war series, you can find fun mods to play that make them historically accurate and you can find all the historical inaccuracies in the base game and make videos about it 😂, but for real they are really fun and worth checking out!
Re: holding a bow at full draw My guess would be that it’s a holdover from seeing modern compound bows utilized that way (which can be held because of the let off).
About the leather for the leather bracelets... Legionairs regularly had tents made of big leather fleeces, just one tent needed 20 or more animals, and these leather fleeces needed to be replaced every so often. So clearly Rome did not care much about wasting leather...
Honestly what bothered me the most about the praetorians was how incompetent they were in the movie: The Praetorians allowed two armed people within a few feet of both Emperors!!! 2 slaves, of which one of the gladiators was a prisoner of war that a few months before had been killing Romans!!! even during their battle we see them charging in the direction of at least one emperor (to be honest at the time I suspected that this was part of the plot and that Lucius' opponent had been ordered to assassinate one of the emperors as a part of their "behind the screen" rivalry ...I was still naive and hoping for better) I mean why not seat them upon a platform with some kind of fence or so.... That was still before Lucius attempt to shoot the general which nearly killed the emperor. And then there was the threaten the population with bows and arrows...(I hate it too, I mean) why, I mean why not use shields and staves, clubs or vine canes. At least these could be used to "de-escalate" the situation. That said the entire movie hangs together from the start to finish with needless complications, ridiculous coincidences, somehow jumping to the right conclusion and people at times doing the most stupid thing that they could have done: The biggest of these insults is that the historical Marcrinus was a pretorian prefect and thus already controlling the praetorian guard! they could easily have made him an already established power-broker who was manipulating and escalating the situation (for example by hindering grain supply and/or stirring up trouble with bands of gladiators which then logically leads to the emperors giving the Praetorians more powers to end these troubles) rather than making him apparently rise to power in a few weeks!
Oooh yes, please do more on the Praetorian Guard. One thing I think I know about them is that they also guarded prisoners - St. Paul mentions the conversion of Praetorian guards while he was under house arrest as being one of the upsides of his imprisonment (Philipians 1:12-13).
Praetorians must wear black since they envied the "other guys" in black guarding a certain "greatest military leader of all times"(Groefaz) using lightning symbols as well.
One of the biggest historical inaccuracies, is in the first Gladiator movie, in the opening battle scene. It was filmed in a conifer plantation, in Surrey. I'm not just going by where it was filmed, but that all the trees we see, are even age, even height, all the same species, and planted in regular patterns as only occurs in a plantation. There were no conifer plantations in ancient Germania, or anywhere else in the ancient world. The first conifer plantations, occurred within the last 200 years, really the last hundred years. It's a bit like both movies, taking place in a modern football stadium, and calling it the Colosseum. Or driving around in 4x4 pickups, and calling them chariots. It makes me realize, just what a poor grasp of natural history and ecology, the modern audience has, that no one notices such laughable inaccuracy. I see so many movies, in habitat that is ridiculously inaccurate, on the wrong continent, in the wrong era, just because most people, mistakenly think all trees, all woodland, all vegetation, looks the same.
Black Praetorian armor is like what they did in "Flyboys", the WW I Western Front air war movie where ALL the German planes are red "So the audience would know who was who".....
You fail to mention the great 'elephant in the Room' from the first film. No 'General' could become a Gladiator. Such a high official, well known to all as he is supposed to be; though no such 'generals' appear in Roman history, could never go unrecognised, nor could someone of such high birth & history be able to behave like a person of such low class. A figure such as Russell Crow's character would have been slain rapidly, with no chance to run off, as he did. Mind you he seemed to have had magic powers, as he seems to have traversed large parts of the Empire, in a most illogical way, so maybe that's how he evaded capture. The Praetorians were elite troops, essentially the Emperors Imperial Guard & Rome's City Garrison. It is most unlikely that these would stoop to becoming simple archers. It is to be remembered that most of the Emperors had a Personal Bodyguard of 'Barbarian', usually German 'auxiliary' soldiers, much more likely to include bowmen. The other 'Urban Cohorts' stationed in the City were even more likely to include archers. Still, these 'Gladiator' films are closer to fantasy, or even Science Fiction, than Historical drama, & may be enjoyed as thus. It's just a pity that the actuality of Rome, which could be presented more accurately on the screen, is misrepresented in these, as in many other productions.
Hey I noticed something interesting while watching the movie while they showed the coliseum from above in one of the scenes, I noticed some big feet next to the coliseum I could be wrong it was brief, but it's that the feet of the huge statue of nero that the coliseum is named after
This has inspired me. If a player in any of my D&D games wants to hold a bow at full draw to threaten somebody, then I'll have him roll strength saves or he accidentally shoots. Maybe DC15 for a shortbow and DC20 for a longbow. A crazy strong, high level character with strength save proficiency might be able to do it for a few rounds, but sooner rather than later he'll fail.
Old German Guy here: In my young days I loved Conan, pulp not movie, the movies with Lou Ferringo etc., I realised back than, it was fiction, inspired by history. There was ni reasonable story too. Perfect, nothing to distract you from the great look. I got very interested in history. Part by part I got problems with historymovies, pretending this is the real history. It is not possible to do a historymovie correct, even 100 years ago, people had a different way to think and to speak. Even their faces and bodies are strange, incredible sincere, tough, women with hands like bearpaws. Even reanactment can not be 'correct', you fight with blunt weapons. I love Historic Fantasy, we have to look at Gladiator this way. It is just great to admire the Gladiator on the rhino.😊 Go to a wrestling show and compare it to the hamasfighter versus IDF. I prefer the first one. I pay money in the theater, I do not want be teached, I want to be distracted from reality
20:30 ... watch TH-camr "Tod's Workshop" to see how much strength it takes to draw an ancient type of bow. After a couple seconds of drawing the string, the arm begins to shake and the accuracy suffers completely.
The scene with bows just looked so insane to me 😂 like what you are aiming a bow and arrow into a crowd so what happens when you shoot it ? Like you are right next to the crowd you are gonna get rushed and killed instantly would have made more sense if there were more of them with shields and spears or swords to keep the crowd at bay, with bow and arrow you gonna shoot an arrow and then die
I remember learning during the Olympics, that the archers don't even celebrate when they get a got shot not to disturb the rhythm of the heart, because that can interfere
It's historically inaccurate because they're only wearing leather bracelets, and not leather bracelets + leather anklets and chokers. And maybe several leather belts.
Praetorian wearing black armor. It might be a Hollywood tradition If my memory serves me correctly, the first movie I saw Praetorian guards wearing black or dark purple was "Quo Vadis" (1950s film). If it was purple, I thought it was to make them look special, purple being a large and very expensive pigment, as Metatron has mentioned.
Hey Metatron, can you do a video about brazilian army role in Italy through the ww2? Were they important? What italian people was thinking about then at that moment?
I saw you and others on FNT break down the film and when I heard about how Lucius teaming up with Pedro's character and what that entails, coupled with Denzel's character in real life actually lived past that point, I just thought how much of a missed opportunity it was. In my view it would be better to subvert the first film by having the main character fail because he refused to work with Pedro's character for the greater good because he killed Lucius' wife (showing it affected him more deeply) whilst the emperor survives and go with a downer ending in order to offer audiences what could of been The Empire Strikes Back of the Gladiator franchise. From what I gather it just seems they theatrically released something that was more of an iteration of the first film and should of went straight to streaming.
I did archery two weeks ago and let me tell you standing there having conversations while you’re holding the bow aiming to shoot is not something people do because you need focus in order to shoot on target. It also hurts your muscles and your fingers to hold the bow that long as well.
Apparently Macrinus had soldier Justin Martialis stab Caracalla in the back while he was urinating on the side of the road in southern Turkey. Soldier Martialis was pissed he wasn’t promoted to Centurion. He was then killed by one of Caracallas guard
All of the leather bracelet budget could have gone to the painting department so that statues and buildings could have been painted. My pet peeve is when these type of movies have characters that never existed and or only who are slotted in from the wrong timeline.
If ever make a game involving Gladiators will honor Metatron by naming those bracelets after him. Speaking about Riots, can you talk about the time there was a riot because the daughter of a retired general was took for a Slave snd the laws that were given after that event...
What they wear looks more like archers' arm guards. How common were arm guards amongst Roman era archers, by the way, and what did they look like? They would only need one for the bow arm, of course.
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MetaTron what’s your thoughts on the Spartacus TV show filmed in New Zealand 🇳🇿 ?
[7:48] Yep, America has a similar law, Posse Comitatus. I'm sure you know about that though. Always amazed by the similarities.
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One season of HBO's ROME could have helped Ridley from being the director whom continues to flip between hit and miss on an epic scale.
Metatron, I think a long time ago you said something few positive things about the first movie. Do you still think on the same way about it? Even more now, after the second movie...?
Ridley Scott just announced he is doing a Julius Caesar biopic. It centers around Caesar's conquest of the Aztecs (played by a bunch a Kenyans), his invasion of Australia and conquering of the Aboriginal people (played by Chinese), and of course, his battle against Ulysses S. Grant at the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest, with the barbarians played by Cajuns.
This should be the top comment. Much better than anything that Metatron had to say.
Epic
The music score is guarantee to be 100% ancient traditional, only remixed to nightcore, bass boosted and sung by Scott himself while he's taking a shower.
ridley aint that historically accurate.
This was his last movie
On leather bracelets. I've read that back in day in Hollywood when they were shooting movies from Roman period ( Ben Hurr, Cleopatra etc.) they had problem with actors wrists. When actors remove watches there were different skin shades on the places where watches were (Because off the sun). So they use leather bracelets to hide it. And the bracelets just stick from then on as something that Romans did. I don't know if it is true, but is a nice explanation 🙂
This really fits, plus the famous Spartcus scene done a bit more accurately that showed extras wearing watches. Lessons learned
That makes sense, even if it was not true.
I doubt the ancients painted all their marvle statues. Other stuff, sure.
@@fabioq6916 why do you doubt it? What would be the point in commissioning an expensive work of art and then just leave is bare stone? Everybody in that time frame has seen marble, they're not impressed by it, why would they not go take the extra minor expense of brightly painting it to really show off?
The ancient world was a very bright place. humans don't like drab colors, it makes them grumpy and restless. Any public space would be painting up like a carnival.
My thought is that somebody saw archers' bracers in paintings and mistook them for bracelets.
Sometimes, all I need is Metatron ripping something apart. I'm a simple man.
Simple = simp 🤔
Leather bracelets? Nobody would want to show up his artritits, I have painful wrists because of artritis due to old age and I have to have a bracelet . LOLOL
We ARE entertained!
@@bulldowozer5858 Yes and witg facts and humour
@@samholdsworth420super into mashed potato.. yes I stole that from a very drunk Rags from EFAP
The "Praetorians wear black" thing appearing in the 50s could be a call back to the Austrian painter and his personal army in black Hugo Boss. It fits the way they are portrayed as this nefarious force loyal to the mostly mad emperor existing seperately from the regular legions. Ironically the historical Praetorians were much more dangerous to Emperors than they ever were to their enemies.
The Praetorians barely "betrayed" a handful of emperors. Naturaly with your modernistic look on history you fail to understand that they in situations in which they acted as such, they were certain they were in the right because the will and authority given by Jupiter to the emperor was no longer present. Similiar situations were happening in China were the ruling class descended from proto indoeuropean warrior class and adopted this heaven-ruler worldview.
i think there may also ve a bit of product packaging culture mixed in, like black+gold = more exclusive than red+chrome . Then, when they wanna make something look low-tier, they use earth tones. Also, didn't Roman marines wear blue? Or was it the warhammer high elves. I forget.
@@HeliodromusScorpio Aurelian.
@@HeliodromusScorpio Yes of course, it was all because the Emperor lost "the Mandate of Heaven" and it was absolutely not the handsome payrises and cushy well paid offices all the involved got from the next Emperor... They offed Caligula because they got paid to do so, they offed Galba because he failed to pay them, they offed Pertinax because he tried to disband them and auctioned off the title of Emperor to Julianus for the nice little sumn of 25'000 sestertii _per Praetorian_ (a Legionary got paid 600 sestertii a year). Not sure Jupiter, or any other "Sky Father" would have endorsed all that...
@@mnk9073 Jupiter works in mysterious ways.
Just waiting for the drop of Metatron merch leather bracelets. 🗡 ...
😂😂😂 that would be funny
Btw who the hell has been keeping and polishing Maximus's armour and shield and sharpening his sword for 16 years so it appears as brand new the moment that Lucius guy takes it out the scabbard?! 😂
His ghost
His force ghost. "Use the force Lucius"
Maximus’ name gets scratched out yet all his stuff is just chilling on the wall intact after 16 years
Pedro Pascal along with every officer centurion optio, triarii hastati and even the Numidians and everyone:
"Let's all wear leather bracers and give Metatron some trolling time(again)"
I wouldn’t be surprised if Ridley Scott makes Gladiator 3 into a musical.
I think he'll do it entirely with puppets.
Bring Joaquin Phoenix back, he's into doing terrible musical sequels lately
@@AnarchAngel1Damn! You beat me to it!😂✌️
Lady Gaga as a punk Lucila
He definitely Napoleoned my gladiator, Scott needs to retire.....too bad, he had an epic run.
I hate how when a historical movie comes out the entire history fan community expects in advance for it to be terrible. Gladiator II was exactly how everyone predicted.
Blame the producers, who hire historians and fuss about research only to ignore the facts and twist all events due to "cool factor". No researcher or consultant likes to be called just to be ignored on set and then see his name attached as if they were responsible for the absurds. Hollywood might as well stop calling the movies "historical" if they will mistreat History that much.
In the 1970s BBC miniseries "I, Claudius" the praetorians are shown as just wearing the same military uniforms as other soldiers. The series had everyone wearing bronze lorica musculata.
That's probably because of budget reasons.
Definitely an underrated show
@@TheSuperappelflap Today's audiences who want graphic sex, violence, and special effects will be disappointed and bored. But, if you want great acting, great writing, and great storytelling, you can't do better than "I, Claudius."
16:16 False. That 299 million actually went into buying truckloads of leather bracers for the cast and crew.
A movie almost devoid of leather bracelets btw is Alexander (2004).
I want a metatron branded leather bracelet
Leather bracelet with custom bronze insignia, perhaps? Yeah that would be legit 😊
@@FireflowerDancer I’d buy it. I have a metatron’s cube ring. Unrelated to channel. But it would still match!
That sir would be pretty cool and i would want one also.
Did Denzel at any point say "My man"? That is the question.
"Come on citizens", "get him with the sword"
I just finished the first video and I refresh and I see part 2! What a treat!
Ridley Scott should just have made an Alien vs Predator in Rome. That would have been more historically accurate
Actually, that could be pretty cool.
What is the predators were wanting to hunt gladiators and built a mock arena on their planet to battle!? Now that would be some cool sh!t right there!
Great idea
Even the Metatron making a Gladiator2 sequel
The smith in the Gallic village where Asterix lives, wears bracelets. But the roman soldiers or officers don´t.
Ironically Asterix is more historically accurate than a lot of Hollywood productions.
Cute.❤️ made me think of wild hog😀
And my grandmother told me: remember no matter what they tell you, Cleopatra had a very pretty nose
A Metatron plot twist better than the movie
Nothing gives a greater cue that you are in the Ancient world than leather bracelets.
The leather bracers are there to add complexity and texture to the outfit. It’s the same as greeblies glued onto starship surfaces. The idea is that simple, realistic outfits come across as “low budget”. A great example is the floor plates on starships in video games. They are so textured that they become tripping hazards and there is no way to move a wheeled pushcart across them.
Metetron is going to blow up Mount Vesuvius when hears about Gladiator 3
I'd pay to see someone animate this & see this reaction to this 😅.
when i saw this movie the first thing i noticed was all the leather bracelets and thought "metatron is gunna give me a good 3 minute rant bout these"
It keeps on giving...
When it comes to bows, holding a half draw for a minute or two could be feasible but not a full draw for more than 15-20 seconds. I think the trope comes more from modern sport bows that use gear ratio pulleys that allow you to pull the string with 1/10 the power you would normally need. So you can hold a full draw on a 150 pound modern bow for a long time without tiring because the actual weight on your arms is under 15 pounds.
Christmas is coming. Where’s my Metatron branded leather bracelet???
The one aspect of this movie that is better than the original is the politics. In the first movie the idea that Marcus Aurelius could just make Rome a republic was just fantasy. I think the sequel addressed this in a thoughtful way. When the empire is in terminal decline, it's in the interest of the powerful to exploit the decay. There's no saving Rome from itself.
At this point its pretty much required by law, to be able to buy a leather bracelet merch from Metatron
Little known fact: the Japanese custom of handing out small packs of tissues was inspired by how the ancient Romans handed out leather bracelets.
Even though I'm a history buff I have no issues whatsoever with movies like Gladiator taking liberties with historical fact because the film isn't being promoted/presented as historical fact. In fact some of the best TV shows and films are the ones that play with historical people,settings and events in creative and fun ways. This is why Grimm is one of my favorite TV shows, the creative ways that it plays with the Crusades, the Great Fire Of Rome, destruction of Pompeii, Mount St. Helens, right down explaining Van Gogh insanity is very good, fun and creative and downright entertaining. In the episodes "Kiss of the Muse", "Trial by Fire" and ""Volcanalis" of Grimm I love how the writers attributed Van Gogh's insanity to being under the spell of wesen, a wesen conspiring with Nero to set Rome on fire and Volcanalis being responsible for Pompeii's destruction.
Like I said I'm a history buff but at the same time I hate it when other history buffs get overworked because something isn't on point.
BTW Fury and Wars Horse is actually one of the best historically accurate films despite some things being fictional i.e characters.
Good for you to know your history but you would be surprised how many people, especially young ones are ignorant and take everything as realistic facts. Better always punctuate the relevant artistic licences.
i think people would care a lo less if the movie had been any good. The first gladiator isn't that historically accurate, but it was a good movie that actually put quite a bit of effort into at least looking authentic
This one's such a boring slog one can't help but notice all the laziness of the production design.
I dont think i have ever heard anyone call Fury historically accurate whatsoever lol
I’m glad that they made the Praetorian guard actually threatening as opposed to finely dressed chumps, but I couldn’t help but find it funny how despite them almost always being shown as heavy infantry in media, they decided to instead make them super-human archers! Elves would be jealous of their accuracy, I don’t think they missed a single shot in the entire movie
Basically making the famous existence of the recruiting of auxiliary forces for their archers by Rome moot
The expensive purple comes from seshells from a specific species of snail near old Phonecia.
Tyrian purple.
10,000 snails for one gram of die…it was said
45 kilograms
Was in Pompeii last summer at one of the new excavation sites. The mosaics and walls were all still faintly painted, skin colours, their clothing, eye colour and hair. Can’t even imagine what it would have looked like in present day
Great video as always Metatron. I especially loved the rant about leather bracelets 😂
to make Metatron freaking out on halloween => put on some leather bracelets, 500 years old patina bronze helmet and armor.
I enjoyed the movie, mostly because I am very ignorant when it comes to roman history, and also because I see the gladiator movies as dumb entertainment, not a documentary, like you said in the first video, that is why I enjoy your videos so much, I always learn something new. We have a lot in common you and I, it's nice
Just what I love to see- Metatron getting angry on re-writing history. Hey Metatron I saw a video today about Gladiators I think it was History Hit, where your friend professor Simon is talking. I am no expert in the field but some of what he said seemed questionable (I'm being gentle), and I would be happy if you will react to him please. Seems to me you will go insane.
On the Bracelets, a couple of reasons they are used. 1. It profiles the arms more and helps with the silhouette on camera. It's a small trick used to fill out the character and helps the outfit look "complete". It's not historically correct of course, but for the camera and audience, when you film a person in armor without something on their forearms/wrists, the outfit looks incomplete on camera. This is especially true on Roman style armors. This is also used for civilians in filming again to help the silhouette of the character and to fill them out. 2. It also is very ingrained, for whatever reason, not sure where it started other than 1950s and on gladiator movies, in people's minds that makes it feel "historic". Ancient outfits just don't feel full and complete without the bracers/bracelets. 3. For actors, it's important to accent an actor's hands for moments when they speak and gesture using their hands and arms. It helps to make the actor's words carry more weight and the gestures become more accentuated. 4. When the costume/wardrobe people put together the outfits, it's on them to make the actor's and extras look as good as possible and you have several people dressing the actors all at once, so they are going to try their best to make every outfit look complete as possible because in front of the camera, you have to overexaggerate your acting and your wardrobe for it to come across as high production. Otherwise, your movie feels cheap and underbudgeted when the actors are not simply dripping in accessories. I have recently become an actor and I've been in the wardrobe asking questions about it and this was what the people in wardrobe have said to me. I took notes and wanted to post it here for you Metatron so that you have it straight from the very people that do the work of making the actors as presentable as possible for the film they are working on. I hope that helps noble one. Long time fan and forever will be my friend :)
god i love the roasting by pedantes inferno, still i would also love to see him react to eastern/japanese based things as well, like Samurai Sword Master Rates 10 Samurai Battle Scenes In Movies And TV | How Real Is It? | Insider, or the last samurai lol
This is gold. Metatron ranting is hilarious. 😂😂
"Orange"... kind of funny, since that colour would have been just another shade of red (just like pink btw). Fun fact the name for the colour was named after the fruit, not reversed... and the the fruit was named after a french town where it was traded (coming from "Sina" (China)). But I'll shut up now, since I'm already interrupting at 0:48.... sorry.....
I'm pretty sure Septimius Severus allowed a legion (II Parthica) to station near Rome (my sources are university lectures of Roman history, university of Trieste). So in this case, though probably Scott didn't do it on purpose, it is not wrong that a legion is stationing near the capital.
That is correct.
You need to start selling leather wristbands!
Gladiator didn't need a sequel and the movie is indeed a historical mess. This being said though, I was indeed entertained by Macrinus' machinations and the syphillitic fraternal emperors. It was a good thing i stupified myself with a big spliff prior to watching 😅
The Metatron cares not for your entertainment!!! His only interest is in the truth!!!! The whole truth and nothing but the truth!!!!! He is the greatest man there is and the best clapper of historical cheeks in existence!!!!!!!!
Metatron: ‘Are you not entertained!?’
I'm having more fun here than in the actual movie.
Ridley also loves snow flurries. Once you know about it, you'll notice it in almost all of his films, where snow is even remotely possible! 😁
I went to see Gladiator 2 Sunday evening, with my daughter. I went not having high expectations to start with. Especially since the first movie in no way “needed” a sequel. In fact, when I first heard of a Gladiator 2, what, the better part of a year ago, I thought it was a joke 😂. I liked it. I would even say I enjoyed it ! It’s in NO WAY accurate of course 😂 and sure, it was a little outlandish at times. And the lines ripped straight from the first movie were a little eye rolling, but for a good “popcorn movie” ? Yeah, definitely. I WILL say I still remember seeing the screening for the first movie when it came out, I was still in the Air Force and for some reason we got screening passes. It quickly became one of my favorite movies of all time. But I vividly remember people ripping on IT just as much as they are THIS one 😂. All in all, sure, I’d watch it again. Just my own opinion though.
Yeah, who goes to the cinema for a history lesson? or to sit through a car chase and pull apart all the outlandish, improbable physics that happen in those. Enjoy it or don't but every film is kinda its own universe whatever the genre.
Nice pic of Constantines statue outside York Minster 👍
I enjoyed Gladiator II the politics and battle sequences are good enough, and Metatron videos are very informative on historical accuracy.
Definitely not historical accurate but was a fun movie that didn’t live up to the first one. That being said I was entertained. I’m just happy they are making period films. I think it’s getting too much hate when Ridley Scott’s last movie Napoleon deserves the hate since it was horrible
Congratulations, Metatron, on being featured on Nerdrotic's Friday Night Tights show. I hope it attracts more viewers to your channel.
Metatron should make leather bracer merch so it becomes fashion and in the future when they make movies of this historical period they can omit them entirely instead
Might not be accurate but the black and purple praetorian armor is beautiful, I wish there was someone who sold a purple plume roman helmet
Metatron? You enjoy video games etc, i know this is off topic but go check out the historical total war series, you can find fun mods to play that make them historically accurate and you can find all the historical inaccuracies in the base game and make videos about it 😂, but for real they are really fun and worth checking out!
Re: holding a bow at full draw
My guess would be that it’s a holdover from seeing modern compound bows utilized that way (which can be held because of the let off).
Once you draw a compound bow beyond the heavy section, you can basically hold it forever because the stress becomes so small
11:29 My dog just went nuts 😂
About the leather for the leather bracelets... Legionairs regularly had tents made of big leather fleeces, just one tent needed 20 or more animals, and these leather fleeces needed to be replaced every so often. So clearly Rome did not care much about wasting leather...
Brilliant . . . I'm so happy to see this second part 😂😂😂
bro is roasting like vatican roasted heretics
Honestly what bothered me the most about the praetorians was how incompetent they were in the movie: The Praetorians allowed two armed people within a few feet of both Emperors!!! 2 slaves, of which one of the gladiators was a prisoner of war that a few months before had been killing Romans!!! even during their battle we see them charging in the direction of at least one emperor (to be honest at the time I suspected that this was part of the plot and that Lucius' opponent had been ordered to assassinate one of the emperors as a part of their "behind the screen" rivalry ...I was still naive and hoping for better) I mean why not seat them upon a platform with some kind of fence or so....
That was still before Lucius attempt to shoot the general which nearly killed the emperor.
And then there was the threaten the population with bows and arrows...(I hate it too, I mean) why, I mean why not use shields and staves, clubs or vine canes. At least these could be used to "de-escalate" the situation.
That said the entire movie hangs together from the start to finish with needless complications, ridiculous coincidences, somehow jumping to the right conclusion and people at times doing the most stupid thing that they could have done: The biggest of these insults is that the historical Marcrinus was a pretorian prefect and thus already controlling the praetorian guard! they could easily have made him an already established power-broker who was manipulating and escalating the situation (for example by hindering grain supply and/or stirring up trouble with bands of gladiators which then logically leads to the emperors giving the Praetorians more powers to end these troubles) rather than making him apparently rise to power in a few weeks!
Oooh yes, please do more on the Praetorian Guard. One thing I think I know about them is that they also guarded prisoners - St. Paul mentions the conversion of Praetorian guards while he was under house arrest as being one of the upsides of his imprisonment (Philipians 1:12-13).
"here's your bread and leather bracelet" that's a lot how getting your license in Wisconsin is. "Here's your license, and your first DUI"
Praetorians must wear black since they envied the "other guys" in black guarding a certain "greatest military leader of all times"(Groefaz) using lightning symbols as well.
You were AWESOME on Friday Night Tights Metatron!!! Loved it!
we should get a 1hour ASMR video of Metatron saying "leather bracersss...."
One of the biggest historical inaccuracies, is in the first Gladiator movie, in the opening battle scene. It was filmed in a conifer plantation, in Surrey. I'm not just going by where it was filmed, but that all the trees we see, are even age, even height, all the same species, and planted in regular patterns as only occurs in a plantation. There were no conifer plantations in ancient Germania, or anywhere else in the ancient world. The first conifer plantations, occurred within the last 200 years, really the last hundred years. It's a bit like both movies, taking place in a modern football stadium, and calling it the Colosseum. Or driving around in 4x4 pickups, and calling them chariots. It makes me realize, just what a poor grasp of natural history and ecology, the modern audience has, that no one notices such laughable inaccuracy. I see so many movies, in habitat that is ridiculously inaccurate, on the wrong continent, in the wrong era, just because most people, mistakenly think all trees, all woodland, all vegetation, looks the same.
Black Praetorian armor is like what they did in "Flyboys", the WW I Western Front air war movie where ALL the German planes are red "So the audience would know who was who".....
Are Just how often the Nazis in movies wear exclusively only ss Parade black Uniform
Metatron apparently has Gladiator II down and is waiting for the thumb signal.
Is Christmas, do you want me to send a beautiful pair of Leather Bracelets ???
You fail to mention the great 'elephant in the Room' from the first film. No 'General' could become a Gladiator. Such a high official, well known to all as he is supposed to be; though no such 'generals' appear in Roman history, could never go unrecognised, nor could someone of such high birth & history be able to behave like a person of such low class. A figure such as Russell Crow's character would have been slain rapidly, with no chance to run off, as he did. Mind you he seemed to have had magic powers, as he seems to have traversed large parts of the Empire, in a most illogical way, so maybe that's how he evaded capture. The Praetorians were elite troops, essentially the Emperors Imperial Guard & Rome's City Garrison. It is most unlikely that these would stoop to becoming simple archers. It is to be remembered that most of the Emperors had a Personal Bodyguard of 'Barbarian', usually German
'auxiliary' soldiers, much more likely to include bowmen. The other 'Urban Cohorts' stationed in the City were even more likely to include archers.
Still, these 'Gladiator' films are closer to fantasy, or even Science Fiction, than Historical drama, & may be enjoyed as thus. It's just a pity that the actuality of Rome, which could be presented more accurately on the screen, is misrepresented in these, as in many other productions.
Hahahaha oh man….i knew this would not rate well but a full 2 parter…that’s a testament to the “quality” of the film
More, more, more! Please, please, please! Gladiator II is a target rich, whatever it is. One could make a career poking holes in it.
Hey I noticed something interesting while watching the movie while they showed the coliseum from above in one of the scenes, I noticed some big feet next to the coliseum I could be wrong it was brief, but it's that the feet of the huge statue of nero that the coliseum is named after
This has inspired me. If a player in any of my D&D games wants to hold a bow at full draw to threaten somebody, then I'll have him roll strength saves or he accidentally shoots. Maybe DC15 for a shortbow and DC20 for a longbow. A crazy strong, high level character with strength save proficiency might be able to do it for a few rounds, but sooner rather than later he'll fail.
Old German Guy here:
In my young days I loved Conan, pulp not movie, the movies with Lou Ferringo etc., I realised back than, it was fiction, inspired by history. There was ni reasonable story too. Perfect, nothing to distract you from the great look.
I got very interested in history. Part by part I got problems with historymovies, pretending this is the real history. It is not possible to do a historymovie correct, even 100 years ago, people had a different way to think and to speak. Even their faces and bodies are strange, incredible sincere, tough, women with hands like bearpaws. Even reanactment can not be 'correct', you fight with blunt weapons.
I love Historic Fantasy, we have to look at Gladiator this way. It is just great to admire the Gladiator on the rhino.😊 Go to a wrestling show and compare it to the hamasfighter versus IDF. I prefer the first one. I pay money in the theater, I do not want be teached, I want to be distracted from reality
20:30 ... watch TH-camr "Tod's Workshop" to see how much strength it takes to draw an ancient type of bow. After a couple seconds of drawing the string, the arm begins to shake and the accuracy suffers completely.
The scene with bows just looked so insane to me 😂 like what you are aiming a bow and arrow into a crowd so what happens when you shoot it ? Like you are right next to the crowd you are gonna get rushed and killed instantly would have made more sense if there were more of them with shields and spears or swords to keep the crowd at bay, with bow and arrow you gonna shoot an arrow and then die
I remember learning during the Olympics, that the archers don't even celebrate when they get a got shot not to disturb the rhythm of the heart, because that can interfere
I was done, but I enjoy the ride - let's go.
It's historically inaccurate because they're only wearing leather bracelets, and not leather bracelets + leather anklets and chokers. And maybe several leather belts.
In G1 Russell Crowe's former legion is stationed at Ostia for some reason, plot convenience I expect.
Didn’t Comodus travel back with the army and kinda did his own triumph upon his return to Rome?
I think the reason Praetorian Guard (in films) were decked in black was to contrast with the Purple; which was to associate them with the Emperor.
Oh yes, buckled up…let’s go!
One of my co-workers had leather wrist bands tattooed on. 😂
Praetorian wearing black armor. It might be a Hollywood tradition
If my memory serves me correctly, the first movie I saw Praetorian guards wearing black or dark purple was "Quo Vadis" (1950s film).
If it was purple, I thought it was to make them look special, purple being a large and very expensive pigment, as Metatron has mentioned.
Hey Metatron, can you do a video about brazilian army role in Italy through the ww2? Were they important? What italian people was thinking about then at that moment?
I saw you and others on FNT break down the film and when I heard about how Lucius teaming up with Pedro's character and what that entails, coupled with Denzel's character in real life actually lived past that point, I just thought how much of a missed opportunity it was.
In my view it would be better to subvert the first film by having the main character fail because he refused to work with Pedro's character for the greater good because he killed Lucius' wife (showing it affected him more deeply) whilst the emperor survives and go with a downer ending in order to offer audiences what could of been The Empire Strikes Back of the Gladiator franchise.
From what I gather it just seems they theatrically released something that was more of an iteration of the first film and should of went straight to streaming.
Metatron,you had me on tears 😂 when you were explaining about the bracelets. Thank you for the laugh, fratello mio.
Do I get my leather bracelet’s in the mail ? 😂
I love that you mention how expensive that the colour purple was; I was actually thinking that while watching the movie. They use too much of it
Yes! The leather bracelets! Finally!
I was waiting for them in the first video and I was amazed you didn't mentioned them. 😅
I did archery two weeks ago and let me tell you standing there having conversations while you’re holding the bow aiming to shoot is not something people do because you need focus in order to shoot on target. It also hurts your muscles and your fingers to hold the bow that long as well.
Apparently Macrinus had soldier Justin Martialis stab Caracalla in the back while he was urinating on the side of the road in southern Turkey. Soldier Martialis was pissed he wasn’t promoted to Centurion. He was then killed by one of Caracallas guard
Caracalla's Germanic guard.
All of the leather bracelet budget could have gone to the painting department so that statues and buildings could have been painted.
My pet peeve is when these type of movies have characters that never existed and or only who are slotted in from the wrong timeline.
Looking forward to this one...
If ever make a game involving Gladiators will honor Metatron by naming those bracelets after him.
Speaking about Riots, can you talk about the time there was a riot because the daughter of a retired general was took for a Slave snd the laws that were given after that event...
What they wear looks more like archers' arm guards. How common were arm guards amongst Roman era archers, by the way, and what did they look like? They would only need one for the bow arm, of course.