The Pope Gets the Gospel Wrong | Ep 1006
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- Today, we discuss Pope Francis' recent comments about the fundamental goodness of human beings. The pope made the remarks in a "60 Minutes" interview with Norah O'Donnell and immediately sparked controversy online. We explain why he is wrong about this and explain the doctrine of total depravity. Plus, Harrison Butker's speech caused a stir over on "The View" when Sara Haines criticized the Catholic athlete for attending the Traditional Latin Mass, called Catholicism an "extreme religion," and suggested some people abuse Christianity by cherry-picking Bible verses. We take another look at Butker's speech and explain some of the parts we disagree with.
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00:00 Introduction
00:35 Announcements
04:28 Refresher on Harrison Butker speech
05:35 The Pope interview
11:14 My problem with his statements
26:55 The View blasts Harrison Butker
40:10 Harrison Butker's speech
52:51 Backlash against Butker
55:44 Christianity on American Idol
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Most of you commenting did not even watch the video, and it shows! Listen to what I said then address it substantively and Biblically rather than fallaciously. Goodness. Goodnight!
Man is bad. Man is not good. That man is good in his essense did not mean we do not need a saviour. Is a baby good or bad?
I listened. It’s just that I don’t agree the verses you cited mean I should adopt the total depravity lenses that are coloring your view. And denying this view does NOT mean we can save ourselves OR that we don’t need a savior because “we’re good”. Not at all. Maybe we could just believe as the Church has taught for 2k years.
Allie, I love you! I’ve been watching you since the beginning of your podcast and have introduced your show to others. I disagree with your criticisms in this episode but I love what you do and I know you speak from a righteous heart! God bless you and all that you do:)
It's too bad that you think God isn't good enough that He couldn't keep His Church from erroring...according to you. Since you can't trust the Church God founded, put the NT down, you can't Trust it either.
I did watch your video I agree but if you want to do protestant apologetics you need to have the right arguments so many times i see protestant conservatives political commentators miss representing reformed theology and make us look stupid and it causes people to lose faith please get more reformed theologian guest and read on proto protestants and historical reformed theology
A clarification on "salvation through marriage": the Catholic Church doesn't teach that being married will save you or that the sacrament itself gets you closer to Heaven or you gain any special status, but rather that the challenges within marriage can help you grow closer to God and therefore holiness. Another point I would like to clarify is the idea of saints. Catholics believe that a saint is anyone in the mystical Body of Christ (aka the Church); just like we pray for each other here on Earth, we think the saints in Heaven can also pray for us as they are not dead but alive in Christ in Heaven.
Why pray to anyone in Heaven when Jesus said to pray to my Father in MY NAME.
@@louonUT "Why should I ask a departed saint to pray for me?" Here are two answers:
1. Has a friend ever asked you to pray for them? Did you say “No” and tell them to go pray to God themselves? Or did you promise to pray for them? Friends and family pray for one another, and we Christians have friends in high places!
2.We know that nothing unrighteous can enter heaven. (cf. Rev 21:27). Since the saints are in heaven, they must be righteous. And since the prayers of the righteous are powerful and effective, the prayers of the saints must be powerful and effective.
Nothing that is unrighteous can enter heaven. (cf. Rev. 21:27)
The saints are in heaven. (cf. Rev 21:27)
Therefore, the saints are righteous.
The prayers of the righteous are powerful and effective. (cf. James 5:16)
Therefore, the prayers of the saints are powerful and effective.
So, the real question is not "Why?" but "Why not?" ask our brothers and sisters to join with you in prayer for your needs.
And the Bible itself shows those in heaven offering our prayers to God. In Revelation they are given the symbolism of bowls of incense, but the text itself makes it explicit that "these are the prayers of the Saints"
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@@louonUT
1 Corinthians 12:14-27. Nowhere in the Bible does it say anyone ceases to be the body of Christ in heaven.
To ask why would you need their prayers is to suggest that because the hand is not the ear or the eye then it is not of the body and you have no need of it.
They can do for you in heaven what they have done for thousands in their lifetime, and that is pray for you.
Allie i am Catholic. In many ways i thank you for sticking up for butker. Now as far as the pope goes we cant read pelagianism from him in this little interview. However , one thing i could never understand is how calvininism today rejects pelagianism and accepts it at the same time. The baptist view on credo baptism is based on the fact that the baby is born good and innocent. In this podcast you reject pelagianism and rightly so. Reject it all the way and support infant baptism. Credo baptism only is pelagian
Breaking news, Pope Francis is not a Calvinist! What? Crazy!
His statement is anti Biblical
You mean he's not Biblical.
The clip she shared has nothing to do with Calvinism vs not. Maybe there was more to his message that transformed the quote that was shared from him, but the quote by itself is anti gospel and she did a good job explaining.
Has nothing to do with him not being a Calvinists; it has to do with the fact that he preaches a different gospel than Paul preached (Galatians 1:8-9). And he has the pronouncement of anathema on him.
Neither christian.
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9
But in (Matthew 5:8)
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
@@Janxiv91 and that only comes through regeneration, which one can't do apart from God.
At its very base, all of God's creation is good. It says so in Genesis. Yes, this includes people. What happened is Adam sinned and the Catholic belief is that all of humanity became tainted with original sin because of that. It made us imperfect and inherently sinners. But underneath that at its very base there is goodness that is there in each person.
@JosephMoore5949. How is Jeremiah 17:9 reconciled in Catholicism?
@@dnp7162 This describes the present state of the heart of man, which has been corrupted and marred by Original Sin. This does not describe that the heart that God fashioned was deceitful and wicked in principle.
Allie, I encourage you to study the catechism of the Catholic church if you are going to continue to debate Catholic theology and tradition and practices. It’s very good that you’re open to doing that, but only good if the information is accurate. Thank you and God bless you.
According to the Catholic Church's teachings, people are fundamentally good, as they are created in the image and likeness of God. However, this fundamental goodness has been affected by original sin and its consequences.
The International Theological Commission states that "the image of God in the human person, although often concealed and twisted in history as a result of original sin and its effects, has never been completely eradicated or destroyed." The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith affirms that "what is human is not only received and respected by faith, but is also purified, elevated and perfected" through Christ's Incarnation.
The Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church explains that the Church "sees in men and women, in every person, the living image of God himself" and that this image "finds, and must always find anew, an ever deeper and fuller unfolding of itself in the mystery of Christ." Pope John Paul II further emphasises that the Church must proclaim "the reality of creation as it is renewed by the redemption and by the uplifting - effected in Baptism - of each individual person."
While sin has twisted and concealed the fundamental goodness of human nature, the Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms that through grace, people can grow in virtue, avoid sin, and entrust themselves to God's mercy when they do sin, ultimately attaining "the perfection of charity."
In summary, the Catholic Church teaches that people are fundamentally good, as they are created in God's image, but this goodness has been affected by sin. Through Christ's redemption and the grace of the sacraments, however, this fundamental goodness can be purified, elevated, and perfected.
Amen!
When it comes to Pope Francis, he is not St. John Paul the Great or a doctor-of-the-Church-level theologian like Benedict XVI. He is, at heart, a simple lover of the poor and a worker in the vineyard. He may be very flawed and human, but he is FAR from the worst of popes. Many assume he relies on his "advisers" for deeper theological matters and I know he got a bad taste in his mouth for the form of "capitalism" that exploited the poor of Argentina and robbed their resources--and the media always ready to twist whatever he says to suit their purposes and exploit the language barrier. I could not hope to govern Christ's Faithful half as well as he has, so I won't fault him for not being perfect. It is enough to see his love for the poor, marginalized, and neglected and in that, I have many miles to go before I catch up to him.
Thank you
Idk who you are but im subscribing, because this was an amazing response
Wow ! Great response!
Waiting for the Trent Horn rebutted. 😆
😂 I think Allie is trying to be the Protestant Trent Horn. 😅
@@Marilyn-np2xh There's no comparison between the two. She may have a "dialogue" with Trent, but she will NEVER debate him.
@@randycarson9812 Why should she. She's right. No debate there.
@@jamestrotter3162 Truly. Laughable.
@@jamestrotter3162 Well in that case she should readily do it, if it'll be so easy for her to win the debate.
Harrison did not mean that marriage would save him. As life partners, they can assist one another to stay on the path to heaven.
That seems pretty obvious fromt the context. Protestants are just very scared to do any works for some reason.
If you hear the full context a paragraph before the pope said: We are all sinners.
AND THEREFORE NOT GOOD. How frickin hard is this to understand? Anyone with an IQ of 60 should get this. We are depraved since birth. I guess everyone forgot the technical aspects of the little Adam and Eve fiasco...
sinners with Good Hearts... impossible
@@louonUT That wickedness seemed to overflow onto your comment as well, unfortunately
@@louonUT let me ask you then - there are unconverted people helping in charities feeding the poor. How is this possible if they are totally depraved ?
@@N1IA-4 Total depravity doesn't mean one is as evil as one can possibly be. Hitler could have been even more evil. Total depravity states that sin has affected/corrupted every part of our being. Those good deeds you mentioned are civil goods. They are still tainted with sin (Pride, boastfulness, feeling good about ones self, doing it to be seen by others, etc.). What the we're talking is about being as good or righteous as God is, which is not possible. According to His standard, we're all wicked, so we need the imputed righteousness of Christ. That's why He came to live for us in obedience to the law.
"For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. 20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
The heart is wicked. Who could know it?
Yes, a heart that is not home to the holy spirit, is indeed wicked & deceitful.
@@cristiancastro1381 Even then the heart is not controlled , always needs to be reigned in..
I too believe man is fundamentally good and I think it comes from the proper understanding of Original Sin- our inheritance as a result of the Fall.
Man, in Original Justice was created all good in full grace with freedom of the will. When Adam sinned through the instrumental cause of Eve, he fell from full grace and was separated from God. This is our legacy as man, but we are created in His Image which can only be considered good but we are wounded in our likeness because of our desire to sin. God is all good and doesn’t create evil. Man is created good and He loves us.
Psalm 51:5. The curse of our sin begins at conception and we can only be saved and given a new heart by confessing our sins, repentance and faith in Christ who took the rightful, righteous wrath of God on our behalf. Jesus is the final and finished work. “It is finished “. John 19:30
@@dnp7162 Conception, but not in principle as created beings. God's image cannot be fundamentally "bad," only fundamentally good.
Some big issues:
You said the Bible was God's infallible Word (which it is), ostensibly as a dig at the Pope's infallibility. The Pope was not speaking infallibly - Papal infallibility only applies to 'ex cathedra' statements, where he's formally binding the Church to doctrine as the Successor of St. Peter. In these cases, the Holy Spirit, who governs the Church, protects him from teaching error. This has only been used twice in the history of the Church. It's possible his statement here was in error, but individuals are able to get things wrong, just as individuals are able to sin. That includes the Pope, when he's merely speaking as an individual.
Also, I don't actually believe the Pope was necessarily in error here, even if his wording was imprecise. Catholics, Orthodox, and even most Protestants, reject Calvin's doctrine of 'Total Depravity'. We believe humans are fundamentally good, and have been since God created man and woman and saw that they were very good, but that we've been corrupted by original sin and concupiscense. Right before the quote you're criticizing, the Pope noted that all have sinned, including himself! Yet humans remain good at a fundamental level because we were created in God's image. We DO need redemption, and yet, because we aren't TOTALLY depraved, there is something left to redeem. We retain both the remnant of goodness and the free will to recognize and accept God's free gift of grace. Calvinism rejects free will, which is a whole different issue and, again, certainly not a belief held by most Christians. Moreover, you constantly refer to humans being created in God's image, but Calvin himself wrote that sin destroyed the original image of God in us, and this was the basis of his doctrine of 'Total Depravity'!
Also, you talk about how our own works play absolutely no role in salvation at around the 35 minute mark, but that's not Biblical. James 2:24, Phillippians 2:12, Hebrews 10:26-27, Matthew 25:31-46, and many, many other passages all speak to the necessity for the Christian to live a transformed life. You can't read Paul to the exclusion of James, or even Paul in Ephesians 2:9 to the exclusion of Paul in Ephesians 2:10. Scripture refers to salvation happening as a past-tense (Eph 2:8-9), present-tense (1 Cor. 1:18), and future-tense reality (Matt 24:13, Hebrews 12:1-3) - This suggests salvation is both an event AND a process. Catholics agree that our works play no role in initial justification. The only major difference between Protestant soteriology and the soteriology of any Church started before the 16th century is that ALL the ancient Churches view justification and sanctification as interwined. Initial justification is by faith alone, but we grow in justification through sanctification. Even then, our good works are simply the result of our cooperation with God's grace. Is sanctification ever presented in Scripture as optional?
Michael Knowles' full explanation of this on his show today was helpful. Respectfully, your take reads as uncharitable - as if you're looking to dunk on Catholicism by interpreting Pope Francis in the harshest possible light.
She doesnt care she wants to bash Catholics.
100 percent right
Thank you for this comment. There is so much anti Catholic rhetoric floating around that most don’t question it
👏 👏👏 amen!
Amen. God bless our Pope!
Anyone counting on The view for a Christian perspective is in a world of trouble.
It can't be any more misleading than counting on the Catholic Church for a biblical perspective.
@@dananderson6697 The only thing more abundant than your comment is the denominations of Protestant churches.
@@Defender_of_Faith "abundant than your comment?" What? I made one. As for the number of denominations, so what? Nearly every single difference between them is in the things that are not essential to the faith.
The Catholic Church, meanwhile, gets it so wrong they literally reject the Gospel of Christ and then proudly declare everyone who doesn't agree of being a hell-bound heretic. I can safely denounce any "protestant" church which denies the Gospel, using God breathed scripture to do it. The opposite, however, is categorically verboten.
@@dananderson6697 You would think you're the first one to make that comment
@@dananderson6697Who you trying to convince me or you?
Calvinism of one hell of a drug.
And the RCC isn't the opiate of the masses?? 🤣
Best not to throw stones if you live in a glass house.
Seems to be good at making folks bitter. I never seem to find joy in a Calvinist, they just seem angry
@@jd3jefferson556 what is Calvinism ?
Calvinists are really insufferable aren’t they
It's just Biblical Christianity.
“As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;”
Romans 3:10 NKJV
None is righteous, correct. But that doesn’t say there’s no good. We’re made good.
@GratiaPrima_ You kiss the total point and that is because as Catholic your knowledge of God's word is very limited and distorted. Our Lord Jesus Christ is God Himself stated clearly that very few people walk the narrow road that leads to Erernal Life. Moreover, it is stated clearly that all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God amd there is no salvation except in the blood of Christ. You.need to read your Saints like St Alphonse de Ligouri, St Bernard de Clairvaux, St Robert Bellarmin etc they would clearly see the true Biblical teachings of The Church not the satanic marxist hacks like the heretic bergoglio who lead people like to hell by your total ignorance of God's word and your own willful ignorance. Come to The Powerful Ever-Living God Jesus Christ and He will forgive you the years of lunacy, ignorance, stupidity, Blindness & satanism of unbelief & heresy with their darkness and Blasphemy, sin, filth and foolishness; and He will raise you from the spiritual death that you languish in as He raised Lazarus from the dead by The Power of His Divinity. Otherwise, you will die as miserably as you have lived and you will go to languish in hell for all eternity with your father satan as you deserve for your blasphemies and foolishness. Wake up before it is too late. How sad. May Our Lord and God Jesus Christ Bless us all who stand strong in Our Faith in Christ throughout the world Amen. In The Name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit The Only One True God as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be world without end Amen ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@@GratiaPrima_actually…….
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone
Luke 18:19
Here Jesus is NOT saying He is not good. He is saying no one is good but God, which Jesus IS.
I and the Father are one. John 10:30
Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:8-9
@@GratiaPrima_" As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no not one."-Rom. 3:10-12.
@GratiaPrima_ Yes, everything that God created was good. So I agree with you in part.
But the Pope is not talking about creation, he is talking about our heart intentions being good - and that is false.
“Truly, this only I have found: That God made man upright, But they have sought out many schemes.””
Ecclesiastes 7:29 NKJV
Allie, as a former Catholic, who by the grace of God was revealed the TRUTH of the Holy Gospel, your ferver for the Gospel is appreciated more than you know. Every Christian MUST repeat the Gospel to themselves everyday to remind them of where there trust lies, otherwise it gets very easy to become mislead and misplace our trust. Never stop preaching the Gospel Allie!!!!!
I like what Bishop Robert Barron said
“Trent does indeed teach that, due to the influence of both original and actual sin, we human beings are incapable of saving ourselves. We have lost the holiness and justice which should be ours.”
“Our minds, will, & freedom have been so compromised that we absolutely need a Savior. The difference is that Trent does not hold to a total depravity anthropology, but rather teaches that our basic spiritual faculties remain intact, giving grace, in fact, something to build on.”
So is our hope in that savior that you say that we need or in our own inherent goodness?
@@moretacThe answer is pretty easy, "we human beings are incapable of saving ourselves". It's right in the text.
@@pacofrancoe Then it would seem rather strange that when asked where he sees hope the pope decides to focus his answer entirely on ourselves
@@moretac I don't find it strange at all. I mean, he was just asked where does he sees hope and he gave one example. This interview is not a treatise on Catholic theology. That is why we have a Cathechism that establishes all relevant teachings clearly. I think we should be more understanding of public figures like the pope. I don't understand why people expect every statement of his to address every aspect and nuance of every issue. Let's take this for what it it is, just a tv interview.
But the pope didn't say morally good. Now you're adding to what he said
When Protestants comment on Bible verses and passages with an air of authority and infallibility, I wonder where from they received their authority and infallibility. Or is the Bible so clear and perspicuous that no one can mistake its meaning and so can with authority and infallibility point out its correct meaning? In reality, the Bible is not an easy book to read and understand; there are umpteen passages which need interpretation with the aid of background studies. It is correctly said that an infallible book needs an infallible interpreter. Can all of us qualify as infallible interpreters of the Bible? Experience tells us no. That is why Jesus appointed an infallible interpreter in the form of the Church built on Peter and other apostles. After the time of Jesus, the apostles led by Peter had the infallible authority to interpret scripture and teach its doctrines. After the apostles, their successors received the authority to interpret scripture infallibly.
Nothing in the Bible says such- that’s just something that is assumed, that the apostles and teachers are the only ones.
The point of the gospel is to be spread everywhere, and the Bible is meant to help instruct us all. Why would it be the case that people have to have certain people read it to them in order to understand anything? It’d make more sense that someone could search for God themselves, and learn at least the basics from the Bible. And they can.
Certainly, there’s plenty of deep and complicated parts that it’s best to have a teacher, someone well acquainted with the translation and background, yes. But it’s not required for everything, and people should be able to access the word of God that GOD gave to THEM. Especially since some people don’t even have access to a trustworthy teacher- especially these days!
There may be some issues or subjects that are more challenging than others, however, a child can understand this concept. Everyone can understand the message of the gospel. And the authority that we have to interpret scripture is not our own, but through the Holy Spirit. God is not a God of confusion. If you pray to Him for understanding, He will give it to you. And there is also a major difference between seeking perspectives from a teacher and then testing it against scripture versus giving authority to a single man who you place on a pedestal and blindly support everything he says, even when it clearly violates scripture. And that is why Sola Scriptura is so important, because God does not contradict Himself. The Bible interprets itself and the messages are consistent throughout. So if something doesn't line up, you know you haven't gotten the full understanding yet. When you start adding in other sources, and giving them authority, they will contradict scripture because they are written by man and not God. This is why Catholics find it hard to understand scripture, because they are also listening to man made ideas that do not support the inerrancy of scripture.
You can pray and ask God for wisdom when reading His infallible Word, and also pray for discernment to know the difference between true and false teachers of the Word. Our Father is a God of clarity and wants us to rely on Him for understanding. Satan is the father of lies and absolutely wants you to doubt the validity and understanding of God's Word
You can’t be serious….sir or ma’am what the Pope said is completely indefensible. The fact that you can hear the Pope make this statement and still call him infallible even after he said the literal OPPOSITE of what Jesus said in the Bible is just wild.
Big problem was Christ and future generations devoid of printed bibles and many unable to read.
The most difficult thing I ever prayed was asking the Lord to make whatever it was that He desired for me, the desires of my heart because it meant I had to trust Him with those desires and whatever they might be. But I'm thankful I did. It gave me great peace.
This misunderstanding by Allie Beth comes from yet again a literal interpretation of the Sacred Scriptures. It's funny to me that my protestant brothers and sisters will often (not all of them and not always) take literally what they choose to take literally and take metaphorically what they choose to take metaphorically. So "Only God is good", yes, I believe that. "If anyone comes to me and does not HATE his father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters, AS WELL AS his own life, he can't be my disciple" Lk 14:26. Would you say Jesus is asking us to HATE people and our own selves?? Clearly that cannot be! But if I were to take this hyperbole literally (btw, it was VERY COMMON semitic speech to make use of hyperbole to convey an important concept/message, and Our Blessed Lord, being a jew, speaking like other jews, used such tool in his teaching style), I would literally have to HATE my parents, contradicting the fourth commandment. That cannot be, clearly. So God created the world in 7 days...are those LITERAL 24-hour days? Even before the earth exists and can determine a day to be 24 hours to turn around its axis?? Even on day 1?? Maybe, just maybe, it would be plausible that Jesus does NOT actually mean to HATE anyone, but to NEVER love anyone, not even yourself, more than you love God, so that in comparison the love for father and mother and even one's self looks like "hate", considering we owe God immensely more love than anything or anyone else. Message is: gotta Love God above everything and everyone. So what about "Only God is good"? Does that make everything else ABSOLUTELY EVIL? Why do we need to jump from one extreme to another?? When the Pope is saying that the human heart is fundamentally good, he's most likely referring to the fact that it is made in God's image, which is obviously GOOD. God is the FULNESS of GOODNESS. That doesn't mean that everything else that isn't exactly God is EVIL! Because whatever good there is in Creation is because God made it good. it reflects the Creator. And the Pope JUST said that everyone is a sinner, that HE is a sinner too. How about not taking everything out of context, literally always, and instead give people the benefit of the doubt to say the least, especially when you do not know Catholic teaching to the full??? Then if you have the chance to ask for clarifications to someone, you should. But until then, do not ASSUME what they mean. How presumptuous... people that take this rigid stance are basically saying that THEIR INTERPRETATION of the Bible is INFALLIBLE! And whatever doesn't comply with THEIR interpretation of the BIBLE is absolutely wrong. This is why SOLA SCRIPTURA does not work and was never meant to be how God wanted all of us to correctly interpret His Word. Because according to that framework, you'll end up with as many interpretations as there are people reading the Bible. You should not be the one to determine the interpretation of the Word of God. Only God has that privilege. And He communicates that correct interpretation through an established authority in the Church (who HE established), which is the Magisterium (the Pope and all the Bishops with him). That's because the Holy Spirit is in the Church and Jesus has established Peter as the "prime minister" of His Church (that's another debate for another day). But you do see that the moment you have a centralized authority who is divinely invested to teach, interpret and preserve God's Word, it's no longer up to any average Joe or Jane to give what would be at best an average (and incorrect) interpretation of Sacred Scripture, but it's the Authority of the Church (the bullwark and pillar of TRUTH - Tim 3:15) to carry out that exclusive function (read the book of ACTS! Not any given Christian would go off with their own understanding of Sacred Scripture or with determining how to interpret it, but it was Peter with the rest of the Apostles who were divinely invested with the office of TEACHING God's Word). Finally, when Jesus is really speaking literally and says in John 6 "unless you GRIND the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood you have no life in you" which is EXPLICIT reference to Holy Communion, my protestant brothers and sisters will switch their reading gears and say "oh He's speaking metaphorically", "He doesn't literally mean to eat His flesh and drink His blood, He's trying to make a point about accepting Him into your heart" (which btw is NOWHERE in the BIBLE, to accept Jesus into your heart, but I digress). No, His audience took Him literally and He doubled down "My flesh is TRUE FOOD and my blood is TRUE DRINK" and they leave Him. He doesn't run after them saying "come on guys I was using an hyperbole...what I really meant is...", no He lets them go. Actually He even turns to the Apostles and asks them if they wish to leave too. So, please: have the humility to not assume that whatever interpretation comes into your head HAS to be the right one (the devil had "his own" interpretation of Sacred Scripture and used such interpretation to tempt Jesus in the wilderness!!). Otherwise you will never know the truth, but instead humble yourself and submit yourself to the rightful authority of the Church established by Jesus (the Catholic Church) and you will have access to the fullness of Truth and Truth will set you free.
AMEN
I appreciate your perspective and talking points. These are thoughts that go through my mind as well. Especially on the literal and non literal teachings. Our God is all good, and I believe the command to love one another as ourselves is to see the good, that "image and likeness" that we bear as beloved creations of God. Yes, we are sinners, yes we need a savior, and we were loved so well to be provided one in Christ Jesus!
Amen!!
Amen!! Well said!!
That’s the trouble with protestantism. Each individual protestant thinks they’re the be all and end all in interpreting scripture.
TL; DR. But, yes, we take literally what is literal (Jesus is the only way) and figuratively what is a figure of speech (I am the vine, you are the branches).
Romans 7:18:” Nothing good dwells in me” Paul the Apostle
Brother, the entire Bible is not limited to Romans 7:18.. God created Adam and Eve without sin. Sin is therefore not natural in creating man. What would God looks like to you if God hates sin and yet has created man that is fundamentally, or in his core, evil or bad?
Pope Stuckey just blurted the word reconcile... Probably inadvertently.
Reconciliation presupposed that man is created without sin... Then, man sinned and has fallen... Then was reconciled to the merit of Christ. Reconcile=back to its original state of being GOOD. So I agree with Pope Francis that man is fundamentally good although can commit sin. God's love rescued them from sin.
But Pope Stuckey needs to contradict the statement of Pope Francis and do some semantic circus mumbo jumbo to justify the false teaching, "faith alone"..
@@Slit-dl6glyour using good in a differnt context then what others mean by good. Only God is good. Now you get it?
He is talking in his flesh. But we are created in the image of God. Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” All men are created in the image of God. God told Cain in Gen 4:7 " If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over it.” If he was incapable of any good God would not of warned him. At the fall we have a crooked way In us. But we are not evil by nature. To say in our nature nothing in us is good is calvinism not biblical. Paul tells us to obey the Spirit and resist the flesh.
Out of context. Finish the verse Romans 7:18 For I know that good does not dwell in me, THAT IS IN MY FLESH; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19 FOR THE GOOD THAT I WANT, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20 But if I do the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, BUT SIN DWELLS IN ME. ( Notice there is a desire for good in him.)
Your out of context bro.😂
Finish the whole St.Paul said and not only chop the words that he said.
@AllieBethStuckey you missed the core of his message. Are you sharing the Gospel for your own sake or for the sake of others?
What was the core of his message? Are you referring to the pope?
@@seaglass.jen86 Hey Jen :) Yep, I am referring to the pope. The core of his message that we are fundamentally good comes from Genesis, "we are made in the image of God". Although we choose to sin (i.e. yes we are sinners), it is not our primary nature. Our true and fundamental nature is the one given by God. We do not believe that God created us sinful. He didnt. He created us with the possibility to choose Him or not to choose Him. There is a substantial difference here. It is easy to pass judgment because of the way he phrased it, was translated, and with anti pope biases. If it was said by our favourite pastor, we would probably said Amen without even thinking.
The core of his message on homosexuality, I believe, comes from Matthew 9:
While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
The anology is simple here. Many people are like pharisees, because they see the pope wanting to bless the individuals as if it was the sign of blessing the sin. Pharisees saw Jesus talking to the prostitutes as if it was a sign of blessing the sin. I am not saying the pope is Jesus. I am just presenting some obvious analogies.
@@seaglass.jen86 Hey Jen :) Yep, I am referring to the pope. The core of his message that we are fundamentally good comes from Genesis, "we are made in the image of God". Although we choose to sin (i.e. yes we are sinners), it is not our primary nature. Our true and fundamental nature is the one given by God. We do not believe that God created us sinful. He didnt. He created us with the possibility to choose Him or not to choose Him. There is a substantial difference here. It is easy to pass judgment because of the way he phrased it, was translated, and with anti pope biases. If it was said by our favourite pastor, we would probably said Amen without even thinking.
The core of his message on homosexuality, I believe, comes from Matthew 9:
While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
The anology is simple here. Many people are like pharisees, because they see the pope wanting to bless the individuals as if it was the sign of blessing the sin. Pharisees saw Jesus talking to the prostitutes as if it was a sign of blessing the sin. I am not saying the pope is Jesus. I am just presenting some obvious analogies.
@@seaglass.jen86 Hey Jen :) Yep, I am referring to the pope. The core of his message that we are fundamentally good comes from Genesis, "we are made in the image of God". Although we choose to sin (i.e. yes we are sinners), it is not our primary nature. Our true and fundamental nature is the one given by God. We do not believe that God created us sinful. He didnt. He created us with the possibility to choose Him or not to choose Him. There is a substantial difference here. It is easy to pass judgment because of the way the pope phrased his views, was translated, and with anti pope biases. If it was said by our favourite pastor, we would probably said Amen without even thinking.
The core of his message on homosexuality, I believe, comes from Matthew 9:
While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
The anology is simple here. Many people are like pharisees, because they see the pope wanting to bless the individuals as if it was the sign of blessing the sin. Pharisees saw Jesus talking to the prostitutes as if it was a sign of blessing the sin. I am not saying the pope is Jesus. I am just presenting some obvious analogies.
@@seaglass.jen86 Hey Jen :) Yep, I am referring to the pope. The core of his message that we are fundamentally good comes from Genesis, "we are made in the image of God". Although we choose to sin (i.e. yes we are sinners), it is not our primary nature. Our true and fundamental nature is the one given by God. We do not believe that God created us sinful. He didnt. He created us with the possibility to choose Him or not to choose Him. There is a substantial difference here. It is easy to pass judgment because of the way he phrased it, was translated, and with anti pope biases. If it was said by our favourite pastor, we would probably said Amen without even thinking.
The core of his message on homosexuality, I believe, comes from Matthew 9:
While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
The analogy is simple here. Many people are like pharisees, because they see the pope wanting to bless the individuals as if it was the sign of blessing the sin. Pharisees saw Jesus talking to the prostitutes as if it was a sign of blessing the sin. I am not saying the pope is Jesus. I am just presenting some obvious analogies.
Something we need to realize about Harrison is his age and experience in life. I am Catholic, 40 years old, and just got married for the first time. No kids, yet. My life definitely did not start a few months ago when I got married. God had me on such a journey for the first 40 years of my life. I had many, many experiences and learned so much and was actively walking in purpose for that time. Now I have a partner to walk in purpose with. Harrison has his own perspective based on his age and state in life. So, much of how he was expressing himself is based on that.
Watched the video (seems that I have to say it). For all those criticizing the Infallibility Doctrine, remember the Pope is only allowed to teach infallibly when speaking ex cathedra (which he wasn’t here), is officially proclaiming a definitive act pertaining to faith or morals, and when auditing an official act of the Magisterium (CCC 891). These instances are when the pope is joined to his office and his brother bishops, in which case the Holy Spirit is abundantly present and guiding. By himself, which he was in this instance, Francis has not bound the faithful to believe his personal thoughts made public, and therefore has not bound us against the true teaching of the church which espouses that the heart unsanctified is evil (CCC 2517). Francis’s idea that we are fundamentally good is not wrong (God creates nothing bad or evil, only good) but goes too far when he says few are of sinful hearts. Luckily, again, we as Catholics don’t have to follow this error and are free to correct Pope Francis on his personal thoughts on the heart as Paul corrected Peter on his tendency towards the Judaizers. Popes who have in the past attempted bind the faithful to heresy have been denounced as anti-popes and removed from office, just so you know. The Church as a whole remains inerrant, healing through batterings by human fallibility and the onslaught of sinful hearts in the world.
I'm not Catholic, but that was a pretty good defense. Hope you have a good summer.
Dogma of infallibility was defined 1856 years later looking back at the sense of faith down through the ages reflecting on the authority of Peter.
To define dogma, a pope must have 100% approval of all bishops in the entire world. Without it, the pope cannot define.
All down through the ages, belibvers held Mary as ever virgin. She was in need of salvation and her conception, full of grace, and was thus saved at her conception, this concept debated for centuries prior.
Watch a child help a helpless animal. Watch a thief share with friends in need. Watch a sinner perform some good act. - - As sinners, we know what it is to be good. We HAVE good in us despite our being sinners. - learn to have human conversations. The Pope may be TOO well rounded for people to understand him. Take the time.
Good must be understood in the right context. Only God is good. No human is good in that context. Now if you want to compare sinners to other sinners some are certainly greater sinners then others but all are sinners headed to hell regardless.
There are so many “righteous” people in the Bible. The statement of humanity’s wicked hearts are also left to context. Mankind is the cause of evil. God is the cause of Good. - Love one another and do not judge. Expect the good and the presence of God in all things.
We have nothing good
“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.”
Romans 7:18
@@cecibarbosa8328 We are MADE IN HIS IMAGE yet we have nothing good? Is Jesus' sacrfice a refund from God for us not having anything good? What is your theology?
@@cecibarbosa8328 Romans 7:15-20 - We WANT to do good, but the flesh causes us to sin. “It is no longer I myself who do it, but sin living in me.”
Love how Catholics are defending here. You go Catholics! 🎉
Yes, defend your heresies and false teachings. The Pharisees did this too. Where did it get them? Catholicism is no different than what Jesus condemned with the Pharisees: works-based & ceremonial-based salvation.
@@jameswitt645I am so glad to hear someone else with this exact view. Everytime I read Jesus’s 7 woes in Matthew, specifically the one about shutting the Kingdom in people’s faces, I think about our Catholic friends. Prayers for them all around 🥺
@@jameswitt645you are hating the Catholic Church for what the world says about the Catholic Church. If you actually want to know what Catholic stands for then read the early church fathers. Yes Catholics on word didn’t exist for years after but when we started calling us Catholics that’s from when Jesus was born died and raised from the dead. Jesus said to Peter the first pope that he will build his church on a rock and gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter which is Catholic 😊
@@abourgeois2 I'm hating on the CC because it adulterates the gospel and keeps people on the broad road that leads to destruction (Matthew 7:13). It also promotes idolatry, which God abhors. And your exegesis of Matthew 16:18-19 is atrocious. You are eisegeting the text.
I'm not Catholic, but people in glass houses (Calvinists) ought not throw stones.
But yes, people are intrinsically evil, not good.
He wasn't saying that a woman is in a limbo until ( or if) she becomes a wife and mother. He was just literally telling women the opposite of what they are always told. He said the biggest lies have been sold to women. He's right. Feminism has been an absolute disaster. The opposite argument needs to be on the table.
She has a real problem with comprehension or she is like the "women pastor" that think they can change the Bible teachings to accommodate it to their liking, hence the pandering to the "progressive christians " crowd that disregard the sanctity of live and the sacredness of sex. I seriously can't think of a valid reason for her to pull that argument from thin air🤔
Except women are more than just one thing . I wouldn’t say men are only meant to work ..
Thank you Allie for not sugar coating and preaching the Gospel
Who gave her that authority ? NO ONE.
Her opinion about the Bible is just that : a random opinion on the internet.
Meanwhile, the Pope commands a billion souls. She barely commands herself.
You got it wrong Allie. What the Pope meant to say is that we all are called to be saints, to change our lives and to reject sin. That is how Catholics will interpret his words.
His answer doesn’t contradict the Bible. In Genesis 9:5-6, God reminds Noah that man is made in God's image. That’s why the Pope says that we are fundamentally good , and THAT gives him hope ( he was asked the question “ what gives you hope?”
LOL, RCC members can't say "well what he meant to say was"....LOL, the RCC claims he is infallible...and clearly this guy is. Absolute train wreck.
@@madmat990 your comment is very disrespectful but Is expected coming from someone who knows nothing about the Catholic teachings.
@madmat990 if you meant to say that Pope Francis is infallible in that interview then you have misunderstood the Catholic teaching on infallibility.
You can disagree with the teaching on infallibility but please understand what it is. Otherwise you will false bear witness and people might call you out.
@@madmat990the pope was not speaking infallibly here, there are many criteria that must be met. It’s not like whatever the pope says is infallible… he’s still only human. What you’re referring to is called “ex cathedra statement.” This interview was not that.
@@madmat990Totally expected coming from someone led by satan. "The Church is the Pillar of Truth". That refers to the Catholic Church founded by Christ and therefore, the Church that wrote the NT.
Does Trent horn need to destroy her bad arguments again 😂
You mean like James White destroyed Trent Horn's?
Love this channel. However our Protestant brothers and sisters shouldn’t take this “fundamentally” good out of context as is being done here and creating division within Christianity. Catholicism isn’t about “working your way into heaven” as you mentioned however it is about continual sanctification through Christ and the Holy Spirit to be more like Christ and continually seek the Kingdom of God. “Faith without works is dead” meaning preaching the gospel and living according to the will of God is part of the works. Love and serve others! It’s the great commission of God! We all know this as Christians and the enemy is working hard to divide us as we can see here.
Allie beth gets the gospel wrong.
He never said there's a few sinners here and there. He actually said we are ALL sinners, even him. We are fundamentally good because we are made in the image of God. We allow temptations to lead us to sin. But every human being is fundamentally good. The preborn are fundamentally good and even the prisoner sentenced for life is fundamentally good. All human beings are good but our sin seperates us from being in communion with God, because it stains us and makes us less holy. God can not be amoung the presence of anything impure, Jesus died on the cross and washed us clean with his blood. That is why repentance is so necessary. That is why salvation and santification is necessary.
That was not what he said,
Amen!
@@yeshuaislord3058yes it quite literally is.
Well said, destinyamaya!
Poor interpretations again from the Protestant. 😆
Hi Allie! And all :)
I can’t speak for anyone else if someone else said the same “new and niche in Christianity” thing about total depravity. But the reason I said it like that is that it’s clearly what’s coloring the way you see what the Pope said. It’s a belief you have and he just doesn’t. But not holding it doesn’t mean we’re morally good.
Here’s what Catholicism teaches:
We’re made good, and that’s still in us. We’re not born guilty of personal sin, we’re born innocent. But because of original sin we’re broken and affected by our fallen nature. We’re born innocent, sure, but separated from God “in Adam” and in need of re-birth “in Christ”. Concupiscence is usually the word used. It’s both true that we’re all sinners (like you acknowledge the Pope said too) AND we’re all made good. We don’t believe our depravity to be total. Any depravity, any sin will separate us from God. It doesn’t have to be total. You still need a savior. Saying we’re good does not negate the gospel and mean that we’re good with God as long as we behave. I promise you, the Pope would disagree with that. The Church has taught for 2k years that we cannot of our own doing merit salvation. That isn’t what the Pope was saying, and he certainly wasn’t negating the need for the gospel.
He just simply doesn’t believe we’re all totally depraved. No Christians did for 1500+ years, and many non Catholics still don’t. Many, many Christians don’t read total depravity into those verses you referenced.
Basically:
We’re made good ✅ true
We’re fallen because of original sin, separated from God and need a savior ✅ true.
We can’t save ourselves, even by our goodness. ✅
Said it for 2k years now.
Nice explanation!
@@allisonmansour5246thank you much 😊
I also agree that this is a very nice explanation! It's the first time I hear it explained in this way. I'm not Catholic nor Calvinist like Allie, but I think this makes sense.
Good explanation! Also as Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.. we agree. That is why we are baptized as infants too.. to rid ourselves of the “Old Adam.”. True Luther was also a Reformer but we are not Calvinists.
A wonderful video covering both the Pope and Butker. Once again, thank you Allie!
Allie makes a compelling rebuttal to Popes statement. As a practing Catholic (from the cradle till death) I agree with a small caveat that “we aren’t all fundamentally good as long as we have original sin, free will to fall into the temptation of our fleshly needs”
Her cited texts are:
Jeremiah 17:9
Ephesians 2:3
Mark 10:18
John 8:34
Etc…
Yet as a Catholic I am also compelled to belief that our origins were “good” prior to the fall of Adam and Eve. Our human creation was Good, but tainted by sin so now Christianity seeks to RESTORE us to that innate Good nature that we were meant in order for us to be in likeness and image of God.
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Does that restoration happen through Christ's sacrifice and salvation or through our own goodness?
Jesus condemned the Pharisees for their works-based and ceremonial-based righteousness. If He walked the earth today, He'd condemned the Catholic Church for the same things. Repent and place your faith in Christ alone before you get to the grave.
Totally agree with you about women's sanctification, worthiness, and usefulness before marriage. The context of Butker's speech, however, was encouraging these graduates to follow their vocations for the Glory of God. His wife's vocation happens to be a wife and mother, and he honors her by saying she glorifies God by following her vocation well. True, this will not be every woman's vocation, and we should all follow God's callings with the same enthusiasm. I am not Catholic, and did not agree with everything he said, but I was encouraged by his speech.
Well-put.
She has a real problem with comprehension or she is like the "women pastor" that think they can change the Bible teachings to accommodate it to their liking, hence the pandering to the "progressive christians " crowd that disregard the sanctity of live and the sacredness of sex. I seriously can't think of a valid reason for her to pull that argument from thin air 🤔
Total Depravity is not biblical, it is theological. That all humans are sinners and therefore separated from God is biblical. Total Depravity reads a lot of things in that are contradicted in scripture.
I appreciate this comment. I agree with that evaluation as well
Romans 3:23 ....
Explain then what Paul meant when he said we are spiritually DEAD, and are MADE ALIVE in Ephesians 2.
@@jameswitt645 not a point of disagreement. What Total Depravity requires us to believe (and is the point of contention) is that we are unable to have faith in Christ apart from some supernatural means outside of us. Being born again (supernaturally) happens after faith as is clearly stated throughout the NT. Christ did the work that we could not, we don't deserve it, we don't earn it EVEN through faith (faith is NOT a work; if you start feeling like it is, see Romans 4). God through the prophets and Christ himself call us to repent and believe. Why command us to repent and believe if we are unable? This inability causes all sorts of problems with the character of God, the origin of sin, and the problem of evil. God freely provides that which we cannot earn/accomplish on his own terms, not mine, and his terms are this: repent and believe. I'm not under the idea that I will change your mind. Soteriology has been hotly debated since Augustine. If you love Christ, you are my brother. Agree to disagree.
@@zoe0abundantThe issue you have on your side is that God wants everyone saved, but he can't save everyone because of lack of faith. You would believe that men/women can only be saved by hearing and understanding the gospel (Matthew 13:23, Romans 10:15), right? Well, we could say that the only thing keeping people from salvation would be lack of faith if not for the fact that most people who end up hell will never even be given the chance to exercise their faith. Most people die without ever hearing and understanding the gospel; even in America. Is God unable to get them the gospel? He's omnipotent, so that's not the issue. Why does He not get the gospel out to everyone so that they will at least have the opportunity to accept or reject it? I say that he gets the gospel to his elect, and they have faith because he gives them the faith to believe.
People in your comments seem to follow a simple rule: love your videos when you agree with a Catholic view and hate them otherwise. I am not surprised at all by their reaction to this one.
Jeremiah 17:9 says that '...the heart of a man is desperately wicked! The pope needs to read the Scriptures.
24:36 Now you’re starting to see the importance of TRADITION
Has she ever expressed issue with tradition? It’s not the practice of tradition that is an issue, but the deception that can *possibly* come with it.
@@seaglass.jen86 w/o a doubt deception and shenanigans has come from inside the church. That’s why the Catholic Church has always held Bible alone is not sufficient. My bet is she becomes Catholic within 5 years. She’s asking questions that followed to their logical conclusion have the same answer: Catholicism
I have been looking for a Christian catechism for years!! I was taught one in my youth group in high school but couldn’t remember what it was!! lol I was looking but didn’t want to buy one that wasn’t inline with the Bible, thank you for recommending that catechism! I literally downloaded it and emailed it to myself the second you said to look it up!! lol
Thank you for always being a compass for Christ for all those that watch you! No matter the topic you will always point anyone watching to Christ, the gospel and the Bible!!
Thank you for your show and everyone involved to make it happen!! 😊💜🙏🏻✝️🕊️
I have read the Heidelberg Catechism and it IS good … very concise and conversational easy to understand.
You will enjoy it and be edified. ❤
The Catholic Catechism is closest you'll get to Truth since it is the Church founded by God and is the Pillar of Truth. The NT was written by the Catholic Church. The Catholic Catechism is full of Scripture. Who would know it better than those who wrote it? God never stopped protecting the Catholic Church God founded as Protestants think He has.
@@tabandken8562 that’s right brother. It’s ironic when Prots say that Catholics @follow a man” the Pope…when it is them who follow Luther and his private interpretations.
@@tabandken8562 Those who wrote the Scriptures didn't write the catechism of the catholic church.
So true.
Jeremiah 17:9 says, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; Who can know it?" That is why it is so beautiful that Jesus died for our sins and forgives them when we accept His free gift of salvation that is free for us but cost Him so much!
It’s so precious when one religious group tells another religious group they got it wrong. One says your born evil the other born good. Hmm which one you want to believe?
"I did not mention them, I mentioned scripture."
And whose translation were you using? The NRSV? Highly doubtful. Don't use protestant translations to challenge Catholic belief. Those books are not the same as our books.
That is literally a conspiracy theory. Yes we don’t include the apocrypha. The other books are not translated differently.
@AllieBethStuckey no it's not. It is a provable fact. There are words added in to fit the reformers beliefs. Luther added the word alone. Many words were changed to change the meaning. The Protestant Bibles had the deuterocanonical books in them until the 1800s. Holy mother church has the authority given to her by Christ to canonize the Bible. No one had authority to remove books years later.
Also the sacrament of marriage is taught in the Bible.
The Church died for his bride .. (he only has one Bride) the pillar of truth. That is set on a hill top for everyone to see" "take it to the church he says"
You have common misconceptions about the Catholic Church, about scripture and about history.
As you see on the cross Jesus slain is how much he loves his bride. The church that he gave his life for. As to show us marriage and the sacrifice that a man must give himself fully for his bride that's how much he loves us.. because we are members of the body of Christ (his Church)
Even Revelation is speaking of literally the Mass which is why Luther also wanted that book thrown out.
And there's just so much you could learn. Praying for you always.
I suggest Dr Scott Hahn, Dr John Berigsma (former Dutch Calvinist preacher)
Steve Ray former anti Catholic southern Baptist.
It's worth looking into. It truly is the fullness of the faith. That people need to study. Actually study
Have you ever listened to Dr David Anders (Called to Communion) pod cast. On of my favorites. X Presbyterian, I think.
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@@AllieBethStuckey In the NIV, translaters deliberately translated the same Greek word, 'paradosin', as 'tradition' whenever used negatively, and 'teaching' whenever used positively. It's not a conspiracy theory - Look up Mark 7:8-9 and then 2 Thessalonians 3:6 in the NIV, and compare against the Greek. There are multiple examples of this, though I'm not sure about the NRSV.
Allie knows the Pope is not speaking infallibly. She is just frustrated and disagrees with him.
@dman7668 somebody better inform the Pope, then.
The scriptures you brought up don’t point to total depravity. It points to wickedness. Which even evil people give their children food, which is a morally good thing to do. Someone totally depraved would not feed their child. People who reject Total Depravity agree no one can save themselves but free will which we have- not just free choice- in the will we can choose pride or humility- and only by humility we can receive the free gift of grace
I really appreciate Allie for always remembering to include those who might not have marriage in the cards… not for any feminist reasons but just because like she says, it’s not guaranteed, it’s not owed to us by God. Reminding us to the ultimate purpose of glorifying God in the place we are at whatever capacity given. Not many conservative commentators do this and it’s fine, I get they are speaking to the greater population, so Allie Beth’s thoughtfulness and consideration on this subject is very comforting and encouraging. Thank you!
So many comments opposing Allie. Sorry gang. Its the truth and its what genuinely saves.
Scripture is actually pretty simple and pretty blunt.
No need to interpret Jeremiah 17:9 for the self or have a pope tell you what it "really" means.
Anyone understands that verse.
Don't make Scripture harder than it needs to be.
Thats what makes the Gospel so sweet ❤- It's simplicity.
One needs to interpret Scripture by reading it in it's entirety. This is a fuller understanding of what he church taeches about the matter:
According to the Catholic Church's teachings, people are fundamentally good, as they are created in the image and likeness of God. However, this fundamental goodness has been affected by original sin and its consequences.
The International Theological Commission states that "the image of God in the human person, although often concealed and twisted in history as a result of original sin and its effects, has never been completely eradicated or destroyed." The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith affirms that "what is human is not only received and respected by faith, but is also purified, elevated and perfected" through Christ's Incarnation.
The Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church explains that the Church "sees in men and women, in every person, the living image of God himself" and that this image "finds, and must always find anew, an ever deeper and fuller unfolding of itself in the mystery of Christ." Pope John Paul II further emphasises that the Church must proclaim "the reality of creation as it is renewed by the redemption and by the uplifting - effected in Baptism - of each individual person."
While sin has twisted and concealed the fundamental goodness of human nature, the Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms that through grace, people can grow in virtue, avoid sin, and entrust themselves to God's mercy when they do sin, ultimately attaining "the perfection of charity."
In summary, the Catholic Church teaches that people are fundamentally good, as they are created in God's image, but this goodness has been affected by sin. Through Christ's redemption and the grace of the sacraments, however, this fundamental goodness can be purified, elevated, and perfected.
Amen!!
Sorry sister, the Scripture is not simple, otherwise there would not be so many translations, so many theologians throughout the whole existence trying to understand it. Simplyfiying it takes away from the truth of the Gospel. What she preaches in this episode is NOT the Gospel, it's a biased opinion of one person. Because protestants do not have any authorities or hierarchy anyone can preach whatever they want. Christ created ONE universal Church that gates of Hell will not prevail, he did not create a circus of hundreds of opposed and divided protestant churches.
@@lukrecija1144 Yeah no.
CHRIST is the ultimate authority.
Protestants do not interpret Scripture for "themselves" and if they do, you have a right to question them.
It might be one thing to study, search and daily seek to understand the scriptures TRUTHFULLY- because yes, God is beyond our comprehension and the bible is his written word. And no one should ever stop studying it.
But again, the gospel , when properly understood is sweet and simple. And it's what saves.
I also never said to simplify the Bible, I said it was simple to understand. There's a massive difference.
To correct you, the reformation was to restore the original Catholic Church back to its core. It's pretty much a renewal/extension. Protestants did not want separation or division.
And the protestants that are divided are not spiritually mature.
I would caution you in how you choose to describe/address/ and treat a fellow non-catholic. Demeaning their faith and intelligence will get you nowhere in evangelism.
Allie spoke the truth.
@@MaddieMS636 unfortunately, protestants always get offended by the truth. Sorry about that but the truth is still the truth. It was not meant to be demeaning. What is in fact demeaning is thinking you know the Bible better than the Pope.
I love how you didn’t even tell your audience what question was asked to Pope Francis to put his response in some context…that’s quite dishonest of you.
I respect Trent Horn, however he was NOT on his A game, when he came on this podcast. I was yelling at the screen the whole time. As a bilingual person , I will say perhaps some sentiments were list in translation. All that being said, Allie is a smart woman. I really can’t believe that she was actually confused by anything the Holy Father actually said. What makes my heart actually hurt for her is that she appears to spend tremendous amounts of time attempting to find anything she can twist in an attempt to tear down The Church Jesus gave us. She is smart and articulate, but on this particular topic all critical thinking skills just fly right out the window. She is working so hard to defend a doctrine she clearly does not believe. Everything she says on this topic smacks of fear, terror even. I feel so badly for her.
You are a Calvinist and the Pope is not … shocker 😂 I grew up as a Calvinist and now am Catholic. Genesis 1:31 is the biblical basis for believing that we as image bearers of God were created good. Original sin corrupted that fundamental goodness but doesn’t change that we are created in the image and likeness of God which is fundamentally good. We cannot be totally depraved because that would mean depravity is part of God’s nature.
The idea that if we are created fundamentally good that we don’t need Jesus is ridiculous. Of course we need Jesus because of SIN! Also the Pope or any other Catholic would never say that. You know the Pope wasn’t saying that. He just spent the part before in the interview talking about how we are all sinners.
Are you not contradicting yourself? We need Jesus because we have SIN. Calvinists says we are totally depraved (i.e sin has corrupted our very nature, it doesn’t mean we are as evil as we can be). Including babies conceived in the womb. They are God’s image bearers even though they are sinners. For a Pope to say we are fundamentally good, is missing the line. He could have said we are made in God’s image which means we have worth, even the serial killer has worth, but our hearts if unregenerated is evil beyond redemption.
@addjoaprekobaah5914 I need to read more about Calvinism’s « total depravity » claim, so I won’t dismiss that, but I really don’t see the contradiction in this lady’s comment. She is saying we’re fundamentally good through our original creation in the image and likeness of God, but we are corrupted by sin and still need Christ. The claim is having some fundamental goodness, but not perfection. The creation account in Genesis is replete with the repeated affirmation that the things God is creating are good. And yet, this doesn’t mean anything (the trees, the sun, the moon, the animals, and us) could ever exist or hope to live separated from His perfection.
Genesis 1:31 doesn’t make sense for this because this was BEFORE Adam and Eve sinned! I’m not Calvinist, but I’ve read my Bible and the take that people are basically good is just false doctrine. The Bible says: “as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.””
Romans 3:10-12 ESV
No one is good we are all sinners that’s why we need Jesus
@@MrsTurtle23 yes we are all sinners and need Jesus. Yes we were created in the image and likeness of God which means our nature though fallen is good at the core (because God is).
@@saralygRomans 3:10 and Jeremiah 17:9 state the opposite. We aren’t all good! We don’t have to teach children to be bad. We have to teach them to be good. Why? Because it’s not natural to be good.
Conservative Catholic/Christian and Conservative Christians in other denominations have way more in common than most people realize (I've been both). We can learn from one another.
A conservative Catholic and liberal Catholic, both in a state of grace, have more in common with each other than a Protestant who denied the true presence.
Agreed! We do and should acknowledge that!
Yes, we have a great deal in common except for actually going to heaven at the end.
There is only one person who lived a perfect life, Jesus Christ, he is the only one with a "good" "heart". He is the only one that deserves to go to heaven on his own record and according to his own merit.
The only way to heaven is to trade lives with him. Salvation cannot be earned or achieved.
My favorite passage to show Catholics.
There is nothing standing between us and the throne.
Hebrews 4:14-16 -
"14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us take hold of our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things like we are, yet without sin. 16 Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need."
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559That passage doesn't work since we all know you all ask each other's for prayers. The Bible says the "righteous availeth much", so in addition to going straight to God as you do, and asking others still stuck here in our bodies, we also ask the Saints in heaven to pray for us because they are in union with God and their prayers availeth more than simply prayers from those on earth. They want to pray for us and God wants them to pray for us.
I will never again curse the ground because of man, for *the intention of man’s heart is evil from his youth.* Genesis 8:21
I think anyone who has come anywhere close to a relationship with God will admit they are fundamentally sinful. Apart from God we can convince ourselves of the goodness of man but in Gods presence the darkness is exposed to light and the fallenness of man is made clear. The Bible itself is an example of that. Example after example of the failure of man and need for salvation. It’s a major problem in both Protestant and Catholic theology that we lessen the Holiness of God and similarly lessen the Sinfulness of man.
Thank you sharing the gospel so boldly Allie! 🙌🏻
Yeh. Sure, not!
Question for Catholics. Is the pope saved? Since Catholics cannot presume they are saved, how sure can the pope be of his salvation.
He can't. There have been some bad popes and they will be judged more harshly than others.
@@leslyephillips87 and this is what saddens me regarding the Catholic faith. You CAN be assured of your salvation TODAY: notice the tense of the verbs:
1 John 5:11-13 says:
11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God SO THAT YOU MAY KNIW THAT YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.
Your popes, priests, etc have lied to you. About many things. READ. SCRIPTURE. Read Ephesians and Romans.
“I was saved at my Baptism (1 Peter 3:21), I am working out my own salvation with fear and trembling (Phillipians 2:12), and I hope through the graces of God to endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 24:13).”
Or in other words:
“I have been saved, I'm being saved, and I have the hope that I will be saved, while I work out my salvation with fear and trembling, like St. Paul.”
@@ATLucy are you working out your salvation , like the bible says or are you working for your salvation? How many sins will result in you losing it and how much penance will gain it back? Do you see the problem with this teaching? It’s all up to you. That’s why I asked about the pope, how sure is he, he can hold on till the end. People make excuses for him but he has a history of saying things that contradict scripture. Yet he holds the title Holy Father. That seems to indicate he is sure of salvation and all Catholics are sure he will not fail.
No one has assurance. Many who have assurance will be rejected by God at judgement.
It is interesting that the version you read states in Ecclesiastes that "He has written eternity on their heart". The KJV states in the same verse: "he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end." The KJV makes total sense in the context you are referring to.
“Without the Gospels there is no Christianity.” So what did we have in the first 400 years of the Church before the New Testament was compiled?
It is extreme to say the Bible is “blandly opposed” to the idea that we are fundamentally good.
The scripture you referenced does not mean man is fundamentally bad. Those scriptures are saying sin is what makes us bad.
Exactly.
And we all sin, sooo… what’s the difference?
Uuummmm man is so totally depraved God wiped us out during the flood…….remember?
Genesis 6:5:
The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.
Genesis 8:21:
The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though[a] every inclination of the human heart [IS] evil from childhood.
@@TruthwillsetUfree1Are you a Christian that deliberately does wrong? Or do you try to do right?
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We are all made in the image and likeness of God, but sin can separate us from God. God created all things good.
I think you should be a little more honest with your audience and admit you follow Luther and Calvins reformed theology TULIP. It didn't come out of thin air. The reformation theology was not in the early church, Luther and Calvin started the movement with their theology and generations, including yourself, has been taught this theology....so be honest...this shapes your theology because you were taught the Bible in this way and now you see it that way.
I’m a Protestant, but I have no issue with the Pope wanting to believe that we are all fundamentally good, Scripture notwithstanding. To look at people and at life through the myopic lens of Scripture, not saying you do that, is not what I would call life-affirming. The belief that people are fundamentally good is not, to me, unbiblical, and I know a lot of Christians, my Pastor included, who also believe people are fundamentally good.
I’m sorry, but I really do not see the problem with wanting to believe that people are fundamentally good at heart. Jesus says in Matthew 12:35, “A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.” Jesus says much the same thing in Luke 6:45, so even Jesus believed there was such a thing as a “good man.”
Believing people are fundamentally good at heart has nothing to do with salvation; it’s about believing the best in people, not the worst. We all have the capacity for good and evil, and whether we act like Mother Theresa or Adolph Hitler, we all need Jesus, but there is nothing wrong with wanting to believe that people are fundamentally good because to believe otherwise makes the world far more dark and depressing than it already is.
I think this was one of the best responses here. I don't think the Pope was in anyway saying people are so good they do not need Jesus.
My thoughts exactly!! Very well said
@@d.ryanwebb1166 This isn't a "him vs scripture" diatribe, in fact he qoutes the Bible and gives his commentary on it. So I don't think he is saying anything bad here.
@@dman7668 Fair enough; comment deleted. I've got to stop making knee-jerk replies to people. Thanks for your response.
No, the Bible is clear about the condition of man. Anything other than what the Bible states, makes it "unbliblical"
The New Testament is full of Jesus telling us all the good works we must do and that we will be judged. Now, we could never earn our way into Heaven but we just pick up our cross and follow Him. We must work out our salvation with fear and trembling!
The talk about people having no good in them is unhinged. Even an atheist can do a good work and have good in them. We are after all created in the image of God.
Yes to this!
That should actually terrify you and point you to 100% depend on him without good works. You missed the point. Good works = keeping of the law. Yes, do them and you shall live. Too bad you have already failed. There are no amount of good works that will save or help save you. Good works are a manifestation of regeneration, of someone who is ALREADY saved and the purpose is for your neighbor and to glorify God. Not at all to be saved or help you be saved or maintain salvation.
Titus 3:3-8 "For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. 4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8 The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people."
@@KnightFel I do depend on Jesus 100% for my salvation. Tell me what Faith is to you?
Did the thief on the cross that died beside Christ have time to do any good works? If he didn’t, how could Jesus tell him that he would be with him in paradise that very day? Does Christ save or does works plus something else save us?
I am 19:06 and I am happy to say you understand the inerrant Word of God, you know what it says about the heart and only through faith ( God’s gift) through grace are we saved.. if you believe. Thank you Allie. Only God can draw a person & open their eyes & heart. Amazing Grace how sweet the sound, I once was blind but now I see. Keep praying
I love how you dissect and explain things in plain language that anyone can understand. I am a Catholic. I married a Methodist and went to church with him for years. Like Allie, I enjoy hearing someone that thinks differently than I do, as long as, the person is backing their views with substantive information.
Allie, obviously the Pope doesn't think people are so good that they do not need Christ. He is the Pope, he obviously isn't saying that. His entire job exists because he thinks people do.
When he talks about people being fundamentally good, he is talking in the sense that people want to live together peacefully for the most part. This is being misconstrued into some theological statement. My neighborhood is filled with people that are fundamentally good.
That doesn't mean I think they don't need Jesus or have sin. This is a general statement about communities not individuals.
She is a nice lady but just about misinterpreted so much as well as project basic convictions these particular denominations projeçt on to the Catholic faith.
She is totally off base and when these repeat ‘Bible’ or ‘Biblical’ the use of it is starting to be cringe worthy.
Preference is Word of God or Sacred Scriptures, too much projection of prejudice now attached with the word, ‘Bible’.
He thinks you need Christ +, which ruins grace (unmerited favor), and it makes Christ's death of no value (Galatians 2:21).
@@jameswitt645 No, that isn't what Catholics think James.
@@dman7668 Of course they do. That's why they hold to the rites, rituals, ceremonies, Mary as co-redemptive with Christ, etc. These things are all added works to the finished work of the cross. And they spurn the grace of God (Ephesians 2:8-9) by continually striving to be a good Catholic. This is nonsense and unbiblical.
Sara Haines is a major LGBT activist.
There is a longer version of the interview worth watching -- Pope Francis: The First with Nora O'Donnell on the CBS News TH-cam channel.
In it, at another point toward the end of the conversation he says, "Jesus came to call us sinners, all of us... the Lord forgives everything, everything..." (begin timestamp 39:28)
It won't solve all of Allie's concerns, but this was left out of the highly edited version 60 Minutes featured. The whole interview is worth watching.
Was playing the video in front of my teenage daughter. When you started reading the catechism, my daughter started to say it too. She memorized it in her catechism class in church.
Allie, being corrupted by sin and thus experiencing the privation of good does not make us fundamentally evil. It makes us fundamentally good at the core as whatever God creates is good because he himself is good, rather we are led astray by our tendency to choose things outside of God’s will for us. This only negates the gospel if you believe in total depravity, which the Church does not. You may be misunderstanding the Catholic view or you are just set on Calvinistic doctrine, not sure, but please just read the Catechism which states the full belief of the Catholic faith
We are made in his image, fundamentally ordered towards goodness!!!
“For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.”
Matthew 15:19 ESV
“For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.”
Romans 7:18
"Create in me a pure heart and renew a right spirit within me." If right can be renewed within us it's there somewhere. Otherwise how does David know it's there and to ask God to renew it?
God has to create a pure heart first.
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?". Jeremiah 17: 9
"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.". I John 1: 8
I honestly question at this point if people watched his speech 😂
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Anti-cathlic propaganda. He didn't say anything detrimental.
"A dead person can do nothing" - except sin according to Calvinism. We're dead in sin so can't choose to believe the truth of the cross but apparently we can choose to sin. I'll never understand the contradiction hence I'm a provisionist. That being said whatever position you take the uniting truth is that only faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior can save you for time and eternity.
The reason we're able to do any "good" thing is because we're made in the image of God and His truth is imprinted on our conscience. We are wicked. Jeremiah was right. Jesus was right! None of us is good in and of ourselves but because we're made in the image of God and because the Holy Spirit is still present today we can do "good" , nice, kind, thoughtful things even as unbelievers. Our standard for holiness though is the absolute perfection of our Holy God.
We can do good things but we're not good people. Thankfully God is good, merciful and faithful and will redeem those who put their faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. 🙏🏻
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"we take another look at Butker's speech and explain some of the parts we disagree with" LOL
Firstly, Genesis 1:26-27 states that humans are created in the image of God: "Then God said, 'Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness...' So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." This foundational concept implies that humans possess an inherent dignity and potential for goodness reflective of God's character.
Moreover, in Genesis 4:7, God speaks to Cain, saying, "If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it." This indicates that even after the Fall, humans retain the ability to choose righteousness and resist sin, countering the notion of total depravity.
Additionally, in Deuteronomy 30:19-20, Moses exhorts the Israelites: "This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him." Here, the capacity to choose life and good over evil is presented as a real and attainable option for humanity.
In the New Testament, Jesus' teachings further emphasize human potential for goodness. In Matthew 5:16, Jesus says, "Let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven." This statement presupposes that people are capable of performing genuinely good deeds that reflect God's glory.
Finally, Romans 2:14-15 notes that even Gentiles, who do not have the Law, "show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them." This suggests an intrinsic moral awareness and capacity for good within all humans, regardless of their spiritual state.
These passages collectively challenge the doctrine of total depravity by highlighting the inherent goodness in humanity, the real capacity to choose righteousness, and the presence of moral awareness even apart from explicit divine intervention
If God truly selected the Pope, wouldn't the vote be unanimous the very first time? 🤔
@19:45 - as you’re talking about the Heidelberg Catechism, there’s a very cute children’s book titled Sophie and the Heidelberg Cat. I love it! It rhymes and reviews the first principle of not being our own but being bought by Jesus. 💖
The Catholic Church rejects the Protestant doctrine of "total depravity" as an over-exaggeration that contradicts biblical teaching and human experience for several reasons:
1. Scripture affirms humanity retains the ability to do good and know truth, even after the Fall. Jesus says the unrighteous can give good gifts (Luke 11:13), and Paul acknowledges pagans can do what the law requires by nature (Romans 2:14-15).
2. If humans were totally depraved, it would make no sense for God to command unbelievers to repent and believe, or to hold them accountable for sin (Acts 17:30, Romans 1:20). Total inability negates moral responsibility.
3. The Catholic understanding is that while human nature was wounded by original sin, it was not completely corrupted. We retain free will and the ability to choose good, though in a diminished state needing grace.
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“But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord. . . . Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation” (Gen. 6:8-9).
"In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. 6 Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly." (Lk 1:5-6)
“I myself am convinced, my brothers and sisters, that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled with knowledge and competent to instruct one another.” (Romans 15:14)
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You have so much wrong in your biblical exegesis that I don't even have the time to correct it by using proper biblical hermeneutics.
@@jameswitt645 Sure. Let's go with that. Thanks for playing.
@@randycarson9812 2 Timothy 2:15.
@@jameswitt645 That's why I'm here. So many people have been lied to about Jesus' Church and His royal steward, etc.
Thank you Allie for this episode. And what people must remember is that if people were good from birth. God would not have need to save the world. God being flesh in Christ Jesus died for mankind because of the evil in us. You see how a child can hate or steal without being told how to. It's the fallen nature in all of us mankind. Christ came to save us.
People are stained with sin, but we are not totally depraved as Calvinists believe. And yes, I was a Calvinist for 30 years so I know exactly what total depravity means.
Also God did not make the world bad or us bad.
Because God is the bearer of Life.
35:35 I love this question.... I'm happily married but spent my adolescent years bent on never marrying (living a chaste life), thinking I'd be happier that way. I cannot imagine how lonely and isolated I would feel, and the regret that would set in when I hit 35. I can imagine a lot of women snapping at people who love marriage.... because I've been snapped at. Thank you, Allie Beth, for continuing to talk about this and theologically unsound beliefs despite inconsiderate comments.
I believe the true Church are all born again Christians. One day we will understand it all and who got it right but one thing I know is that Jesus surely would not want us to fight with and degrade each other 😢❤ There is a place for respectful discussion but please let us not forget that Jesus said his disciples will be recognized by their love...❤
I agree. I think once we die, we will find out that none of us got it totally right or wrong, and that no one domination has the whole truth. I think we will all be quite surprised.
Same 🫶❤️
Good, I hope you still accept Him when He tells you that His way is the Catholic way.
@@tabandken8562of course I will! Will you if he tells you that you were wrong and that the catholic church was wrong?
@@hopeful3583 Of course. But He won't. I know beyond know He won't. Besides Him telling me and showing me that He will confirm the Catholic Church, think about it. REALLY think. The Catholic Church is THE Church that Jesus founded. It's therefore THE Church Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to that led the Catholic writers to write the NT. It's THE Church that the bible calls the "Pillar of Truth". For the Church to be the Pillar of Truth and guided by the Holy Spirit, it IS infallible. After all, a fallible Church can't write infallible Scripture. Protestantism basically pits God against God from cherry picking and misusing Scriptures.
Calvinism is very bleak and miserable, it fundamentally reduces Gods power to human understanding - an impossibility. Calvinism often comes with the most uncharitable analysis of things not Calvinist
If we weren't inherently good as a creation of God then why would he have sent Jesus to be tortured and crucified for our salvation?
For all those speaking negatively about the Catholic Church sadly yall believe what the world says the Catholic Church is. If you want to rightfully know about the Catholic faith go to the Church and read the early church fathers. It is there that you will see the early church is Catholic
Hey there's a name I haven't heard for a bit! What ever happened to Liz Wheeler? She stopped her show.
She had a new baby recently!
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I want as to my fellow followers of Christ here. If we are fundamentally good then why adam and eve in their time when they should obey God they dont obey God but choose for themself their own selfish desire when they spiritually speaking perfect without blemish and have perfect relation to God. They seek them self to wants to be God and choose their own desire above God. How you can call that fundamentally good ? Even in the face of God himself they still rebellious, even more us who didnt see God face to face like them will be worse. Now tell me how we are fundamentally good ? We are created in God image yes, we are created good but to say that our heart is good is wrong. The Pope said that the heart of man is good. Then where is the proof of that?
I don’t think the pope would disagree with your explanation Allie! This is what the Catholic Church teaches: “Although human nature was not totally corrupted by original sin, it was greatly debilitated-man’s intellect became darkened and his will weakened. Humanity became marked by concupiscence, a tendency to sin, which is like an enslaving master.”
I think you are drawing a little more out of the Pope’s claim that we all have fundamentally good hearts - I think he means in our creation. I can see where the confusion comes in though.. it definitely could have used some further context/clarity. Love your show! :)
Your explanation of the fall of man runs contrary to Romans 5:12 & Ephesians 2, and it opens the door for a works-based righteousness, which catholics believe in, which is another gospel than the one Paul preached (Galatians 1:8-9).
@@jameswitt645we could go back and forever here forever, but instead I will send you this video on the catholic view on faith vs. works th-cam.com/video/pIXh7UqYKpQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KUo9IR3gs30Zci3o
Here we go again taking things out of context about what the Pope said nothing new.
He Just said a harmless comment.
Harrison was talking to Catholics.
The heretic bergoglio has his interview on 60 minutes on TH-cam and everything he said is clearly is there for everyone to see so stop burying your head in the sand and go amd listen to.his attacks on conservatives and traditional catholics and all his heresies. The funny side that it was supposed to.have been the pope who corrects the laity bit the laity who have to find excuses for the heresies propagated by this satanic antipope bergoglio. Follow Our Lord and God Jesus Christ instead of following a satan follower like bergoglio who will lead you to hell with his anti-Christ teachings. Hie pathetic. May Our Lord and God Jesus Christ Bless us all who stand strong in Our Faith in Christ throughout the world Amen. In The Name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit The Only One True God as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be world without end Amen ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏
“My WIFE is the first to say”
He wasn’t proposing when life starts. He was mentioning his wife’s opinion.
Wait, lady from the view, what religions from the Middle East?! …. I wish she was specific hahahaha
I was in total agreement until 18:40. It is written in Philipians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling". Salvation is a free gift, but our acceptance of it can be sincere, or lip service. If it is sincere then working out our salvation will be a joy and not a burden. The bible is clear in the parable of the 10 virgins that 5 will be wise and 5 will be foolish, in that not everyone who says Lord Lord [...] will be saved.
We do not believe marriage is the only way to salvation.... that's not anything close to what we believe. Who said that? All I heard from his speech was how his wife feels....he didn't say all women must be mothers or can only really live if they have kids....not sure how people read things into speech that was never said...
I wonder if he meant what Jase Robertson says when he talks about looking for a wife....look for someone who helps you get to heaven....through prayer, encouragement etc in your sanctification.
I agree with you. I did not hear him say that either. He is Roman Catholic and so obviously understands that some women are called to celibacy and the religious life. I think people sometimes read too much into statements.
His point was that marriage is sanctifying, which Allie would probably agree with. The only difference is that Catholics believe sanctification is an essential part of final salvation.