I'm afraid they are more likely to be lancaster bombers, given the shape of the engines and the britishness of this channel!
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As a proud canadian citizen I still get tired of everyone saying it was the Americans fault it was Canceled, nothing could be further from the truth, the U.S. Air force was incredibly supportive of the design team supplying both a wind tunnel and a B47 bomber to Orenda for engine testing on the Iroquois engine, in the end there was only one group responsible for the demise of the CF105 and that was the Conservative party of Canada
Cutting up the completed Avro Arrows was the act of a coward. The government of the day actually did some good things. It is a shame they spoiled/soiled their reputation by destroying the Arrow.
Having worked in the aerospace industry during the 70's, I often wonder the exact nature of the things I worked on. I was never told, but sometimes you just know. For example, when you design a circuit board that is round with a hole in the middle, you can assume it goes in the nose cone of a missile. I would urge these guys to count their blessings. They know what they have worked wasn't used to actually kill people. I will never know.
The Avro Arrow was a triumph for Canadian aviation technology and it's cancellation devastating but "the best in the world" as stated at the start of this ? Prior to cancellation, efforts were made to interest the RAF but why would they want it, already having the EE Lightning which, having flown in 1954, four years before the Arrow, was to have a higher top speed at Mach 2.2, a greater combat range at 800ml as opposed to 460ml and a higher operation ceiling at 60,000ft as opposed to 53,000. Rate of climb of the Lightning was a world beating 50,000 ft per min and I doubt the Arrow would have got anywhere near that.
Their lack of security was one of the reasons it was destroyed the place was providing information to the Soviet union in the form of no less than 12 deep planted Soviet GRU spies the fact that the Russians used alot of what they were passed to build the mig25 and it came directly from the arrow program! The truth is that it was a beautiful program that should have been built but there were a lot of reasons for it not to be!
While there was always soviet spies everywhere at that time, the arrow basically has nothing in common with the mig 25. Design, materials, and engines had nothing to do with each other. The only thing similar was both being used as interceptors.
Avro (Canada), a basically British company, the British had to be told by the Americans that this thing exists. So Avro Britain went to Avro Canada to find out. Embarrassing beyond measure. But secrecy was upheld brilliantly.
Typical shortsighted conservative government. We ended up buying interceptors right after that didn't meet requirements and even kept using the cf100 till the 80s.
@JP-fq5zj It was actually the voodoo that was obsolete. It was done in retaliation to the liberal government and the cf105. The cons started talks even before the cancelation of the arrow. The cf101s may have all been used and already obsolete, but they were not free. Canada had to take over 11 American radar stations, including funding, staffing, and maintenance. They were bought to replace the cf100 officially but the 100s kept flying till the 80s
Love the B-24s on the thumbnail. My grandfather was a test pilot in WWII and taught other pilots how to fly the B-24.
I'm afraid they are more likely to be lancaster bombers, given the shape of the engines and the britishness of this channel!
As a proud canadian citizen I still get tired of everyone saying it was the Americans fault it was Canceled, nothing could be further from the truth, the U.S. Air force was incredibly supportive of the design team supplying both a wind tunnel and a B47 bomber to Orenda for engine testing on the Iroquois engine, in the end there was only one group responsible for the demise of the CF105 and that was the Conservative party of Canada
Cutting up the completed Avro Arrows was the act of a coward. The government of the day actually did some good things. It is a shame they spoiled/soiled their reputation by destroying the Arrow.
Having worked in the aerospace industry during the 70's, I often wonder the exact nature of the things I worked on. I was never told, but sometimes you just know. For example, when you design a circuit board that is round with a hole in the middle, you can assume it goes in the nose cone of a missile. I would urge these guys to count their blessings. They know what they have worked wasn't used to actually kill people. I will never know.
The Avro Arrow was a triumph for Canadian aviation technology and it's cancellation devastating but "the best in the world" as stated at the start of this ?
Prior to cancellation, efforts were made to interest the RAF but why would they want it, already having the EE Lightning which, having flown in 1954, four years before the Arrow,
was to have a higher top speed at Mach 2.2, a greater combat range at 800ml as opposed to 460ml and a higher operation ceiling at 60,000ft as opposed to 53,000. Rate of climb of the Lightning was a world beating 50,000 ft per min and I doubt the Arrow would have got anywhere near that.
Their lack of security was one of the reasons it was destroyed the place was providing information to the Soviet union in the form of no less than 12 deep planted Soviet GRU spies the fact that the Russians used alot of what they were passed to build the mig25 and it came directly from the arrow program! The truth is that it was a beautiful program that should have been built but there were a lot of reasons for it not to be!
A pretty bold claim that needs to be backed with sources, with indisputable provable fact.
Pretty bold claim since the MiG-25 and the Arrow look and fly nothing alike.
While there was always soviet spies everywhere at that time, the arrow basically has nothing in common with the mig 25. Design, materials, and engines had nothing to do with each other. The only thing similar was both being used as interceptors.
the narrator sounds a bit like tom hanks
Avro (Canada), a basically British company, the British had to be told by the Americans that this thing exists. So Avro Britain went to Avro Canada to find out. Embarrassing beyond measure. But secrecy was upheld brilliantly.
Isn’t it pronounced Avro (Afro with a V) not A. V. Ro.
it was A V Roe, but most just called it avro
@@jamiehanna45iirc there was an actual rebrand at one point that condensed it.
Typical shortsighted conservative government. We ended up buying interceptors right after that didn't meet requirements and even kept using the cf100 till the 80s.
The Arrow was obsolete and the Voodoos were free. We got probably the best possible deal out of that boondoggle.
@JP-fq5zj It was actually the voodoo that was obsolete. It was done in retaliation to the liberal government and the cf105. The cons started talks even before the cancelation of the arrow. The cf101s may have all been used and already obsolete, but they were not free. Canada had to take over 11 American radar stations, including funding, staffing, and maintenance. They were bought to replace the cf100 officially but the 100s kept flying till the 80s