This is HOW MUCH our refit costs? Is It Worth It?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 พ.ค. 2024
- In this video we answer the most asked question throughout the boat refit. Which is „How much does it cost?“
We tell you how much we paid for the ship, what we pay for berthing, the maintenance costs and all our expenses for the refit.
Flying Coney is an 82ft long historic steel ship. And we bring her back to live as the beautiful sailing ship she once was.
When we are done with the refit we want to sail the ocean and teach traditional sailing skills to young people.
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Chapters:
00:00 How much is buying and running Flying Coney
00:11 Buying
02:15 Additional Purchasing Costs
02:50 Berthing and Marina costs
04:11 Fuel and engine maintenance
05:26 Regular haul outs
06:02 Refit costs and repairs
07:06 How to keep costs down?
08:05 Summary and cost break down - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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Well done to you both,as a well retired marine engineer Having spent many years repairing ship’s machinery as well as serving at sea I can appreciate the work that you are doing and the frustrations that come with it.I watch several boat reconstruction and sailing channels,but you are the only ones that have explained how costs are accumulated.Thank you,as always I will be following your informative and entertaining channel to its conclusion.cheers Roly🇬🇧.
Thank you for following along. As said at the end of the video we don't really have a cost problem, but some sort of TH-cam bug hit us and every video is underperforming at the moment. Most of the other boat reconstructions have at least 4 times more subscribers most of them 10 times more patrons. Doesn't feel good at the moment to be honest. But again thank's for following and commenting, it kind of keeps us going.
Thank you for being open about the prices!! Not many You Tubers talk about money. Grtz. from the Flevopolder
Hi you 2 this is the king of video i have come to expect from you .your open and honest ,from my point of view .And to be honest I was surprised at how little you have spent in total so far .And the results have been stellar .
I'm so happy to have found your channel! Totally appreciate the breakdown of costs and high production value! I look forward to watching your other videos and journey. Cheers from the PNW of the United States!
Congrats to you both for the marvelous work you've both completed. Listen - please STOP answering silly questions relating to costs and finances. It's no one's business except yours. Those individuals who ask, are base and should not have any attention paid to them. Your dialog, visuals and editing are superb. Thanks for taking the majority of us on wonderful adventures. Cheers..!!
I see it that way that refining such a boat isn't what you see everyday. There's no way to check how much it costs to do so. Also videos like that usually perform very well on the platform. But unfortunately this video is underperforming again. Even worse than the previous 5 videos that were also underperforming. Slowly getting to a point were I have no clue what video will get us going again.
it's information they should already be keeping track of and it gives other people who aren't into sailing what a project like this might cost.
me I'm a landlubber who would love to be able to live full time on a boat large enough to have a greenhouse that could support my family, so every bit of information i can find is fun to think about.
@@FlyingConeyI am interested in your total cost thus far.
Given learned advice on these projects is most valuable.
Could of saved 15,000 by having the hull repair paid by seller. The price would most likely gone up to 20,000 - 25,000. Might of got more wielding accomplish as well. This kind of deal needs to be considered before closing the deal. As we all seen Flying Coney was in a high state of corrosion.
The repaired hull looks very well. Video recording each step is also an investment. It’s good proof of work done. You might get offers before you finish her…
Sounds like a very reasonable investment for what you received.
Don't loose confidence in your goals.
Don't be afraid to share more of your previous racing anecdotes that might be handy or interesting.
You two are so much more than two people restoring a wonderful ship, and I bet you have some great memories from racing you could share every week. Using the wording "Racing Legends, dramatically rebuild historic sailing ship Flying Coney" might effect better algorithm response, too.
Hoist that flag.
Thank you so much for this video. People think about doing these type of things (myself included), so it's very nice to see someone who's actually doing it speak candidly about the real costs and work involved in a project like yours.
it has been such an incredible opportunity to have been able to follow your adventure with flying coney and your openness in sharing the costs of this project is truly remarkable and greatly appreciated. the transformation that you have been able to achieve and the work that you have done to preserve this historic vessel is wonderful and i look forward to seeing the next phase of the project. by the way, although i love the name that you have chosen, i was a bit sad to see the clip of you painting over the original name, sally, as that is the name of my little sailboat, which was named after the wife of the original owner. however, flying coney is a perfect name and i can't wait to see her flying free under sail. congratulations and all the best.
flying free under sail, yes ❤
Nice update, and the cost is reasonable even though it sounds like a lot. It's a house for two people (at the moment), and knowing the current prices it is fine. Good job, can't wait for your interior plans.
Even as a motor vessel we can go out at harbor festivals and since we have that efficient engine it makes sense. Half a day out is about 70€ here in Northern Europe. We've a capacity of 12. We're really only expecting TH-cam to pay for the work we put into TH-cam. Otherwise it would make more sense to push towards a usable boat without filming everything.
G'day Crew..
Really been enjoying the series on Flying Coney, You guys are doing a great job , and l look forward to seeing what direction this refit takes into the future .
Best wishes
Respect....!
i would say time would be the biggest cost but you now are movie stars so keep it up we will be watchin cheers
What's the movie title? "The curse of the Flying Coney"? I don''t even want to know how much time we already spent to get this behemoth back into shipshape... 🤪
great video, thanks for the work and time ❤
Both doing a great job on her restoration/refit. Just proves heritage vessels cost, but are well worth restoring.
Well done, keep up the good work, you have done well with costs
15.000 euro looks huge on paper and it is. But I think it's far deal when you look at the work the guys did. Thanks for sharing the numbers with us, many people just dont understand B O A T. Even brand new vessels once they hit the water the bills start coming in, and as the boat ages they just get bigger. 🤣 Great update 2x👍
It was a fair price, but keeping the costs down brought us to our mental and physical limits. Each hour the guys worked on our ship was 60€ plus the materials.
Thanks for another informative video! 😊👍🏻
Thank you for keeping us running ⛵️ All the best!
Thanks guys
A great update. We have spent similar getting Stella Maris to a good standard and we are also reliant on only the income we generate from our regular jobs, so things take time. I can’t wait to see how you progress with the interior and how you determine the right rig for sailing. One way we save on marina costs is by having very good ground tackle. We have tested this and are confident we can spend much more time at anchor than paying for marinas.
Love the videos
well done, I love the hat, all the best regards from the UK.
Hi Brian, thanks for the comment! What number has surprised you the most?
Thanks!
Thanks again for your generosity. Don't know if you've noticed but you're on the "Officers" list at the end of the videos because you are an important part of the crew of Flying Coney. 😄
Thanks again for a nice video and thanks for all information about costs. With all those costs I wonder for myself how long we will be able to watch this project. I hope you will succed and I wish you luck for the future.
My concerns are really not the costs of the refit. Only speaking about the work we put into TH-cam, excluding the filming and before taxes we're getting 5,30 per hour. We could do any other job and get more money!
Regarding the pump, the inlet and discharge orientations suggest this may be a self priming pump (providing the pump has been filled with water before operation) which is an extremely useful feature as the pump can, if necessary, be mounted above the water level without the need for an inlet non return valve or a priming system. Also it looks like it may be manufactured from a marine grade material such as zinc free bronze. Also it looks like it may be a relatively slow speed pump which gives high levels of durability and relibility. If I am correct on any one or all of these points this is a very valuable pump. The long radius bend in the inlet pipe is good practice for a top entry pump, never have restrictions or short radius bends in your inlet piping. With any 3 phase driven pump check the direction of rotation is correct. Set the motor overload to about 10% above the maximum current the motor draws with the pump at full load. With this design power demand is proportional to flow, the lower the pump discharge pressure is the higher the flow and power. If there is not enough back pressure on the discharge the pump will not prime and it will likely cavitate. If you can identify the pump brand and model and find a performance curve for the pump and advise the rotational speed I can assist with the correct application of the pump. If you find it doesnt pump try filling it with water, have the intake system fully open and strum boxes etc clear then close the discharge valve down to about 5% open start the pump and run it until discharge pressure builds before gradually open the discharge valve. Vacuum leaks in inlet piping can be identified by wrapping cling film over one piping joint at a time to isolate problematic joints. Regards and good luck. Doug from New Zealand.
Hi Doug, the pump is from the brand SiHi and they still make this kind of pumps. They are high quality and high output and I think you're correct that it's a self priming pump. A viewer who works in a company that does service pumps (how convenient) was willing to help us and took on this project. Actually this week he opened it and gave it a good service. The pump is still in good shape and it just needed the ordinary service parts like gaskets and one bearing. Also the electric motor is working fine. He painted it in the correct color so it does look like new. Thank you for offering help and advice! It's always appreciated by us.
Thats a great price from the ship yard, I expected far more. Keep up the good work. From here on in you are adding value to your home.
They did a great job and didn't take advantage of our situation. Also very nice people!
You 2 got screwed on that old rust bucket
what about the estimates for a complete new sailing/rigging plan, accomodations and modern day comfort equipment, the complete rebuild of the interior, nav systems, refrigeration, AC, watermaking, water heating, energy powerplants, ) you have a good main engine, but then a generator, high output alternators, solar panels, batteries, DC and AC systems, the list is "endless".
Kind of endless. But you don't need it all at once. There's just so much time we can spend refining this boat so 20-25 000€ per year is a good number. 3-5 years until we're finished. A basic rig at the END of the project will cost about 80 000€ but maybe we find masts, booms and so on second hand.
@@FlyingConey i dont have a reference for spars price, wooden block, all the running rigging you will need to run that, which is in the kilometers scale, sails, etc but i found that 80k really optimistic. or maybe you plan to build most of it yourself? for a boat that size the electrical system alone, with all the gizmos needed for a reliable offshore operation, specially taking paying guest, i can only imagine it will cost a small fortune. im paying a dedicated company to design it for me and my very modest 29 ft an thats why i have an appreciation on how much proper designed stuff and bits cost. and it isnt cheap.
I notice that the housing of the Navigation Lights are painted White... 5. Screens for sidelights [SOLAS Annexe I]
The sidelights of vessels of 20 metres or more in length shall be fitted with inboard screens painted matt black, and meeting the requirements of Section 9 of this Annex. On vessels of less than 20 metres in length the sidelights, if necessary to meet the requirements of Section 9 of this Annex, shall be fitted with inboard matt black screens.
Thank you for adding that information. It's already on our todo list, we have the paint and just need to find a weather window for painting.
Hey I saw my name on your list ... that is cool ... thank you
Thank you for your contribution. Donations makes this videos possible so I think it's just fair to thank the people behind the donation.
Thanks
Hi Mike, thank you for your donation!
Great video and thanks to give this open..no need for that..impression of your boat costs. I know to well myself as a 38ft steal sailing boat owner&occupant. But people 'on land' often forget or are not aware the same of often higher costst of their owned or rented house.😉 Keep on the good work and I hope you earn more for making this nice videos. An idea to mix it with images of your profesional sail past and experiences and todays races to get more viewers? Or are images of those sailing races copyright protected?
Thank you for sharing the Financial side of LARGE boat ownership. I always wondered what the ownership costs and operating costs were.
I can really see why you want to convert to a SAILBOAT ! Petrol costs will only go higher.
Also a surprise to learn prices in Sweden. Thank you.
On a funny note, I had a really good laugh at your "BOAT" definition: BRING OUT ANOTHER THOUSAND" 🤣🤣🤣
Okey, that kind of money is a lot of money, but I expected it to be a higher price.
Very good to see you gave the engine some treatment. :)
I think the boat will be great and exactly what you want it to be. :)
You probably made some plans that you don't have to do other work that would take time from the boat project. The budget is probably still good while you can also pay 120k on a same size boat as Flying Coney. So if you cold finish up for 120k it would be perfect. But it think you probably have a bit more optimistic budget.
Good luck!
Greetings,
Jeff
Interesting breakdown of the costs, and much cheaper than i would have expected, especially in Europe. Knowing what you know now, I'll bet that you guys wouldn't have paid that much for the boat up front (if you even would've bought her at all). Anyway, looking forward to the next stages of the refit.
To be honest our biggest concern is TH-cam at the moment. With a steady income it's no problem to complete the refit. Most project boats here on TH-cam, Yaba, Tall Ho, Sarinda were in much worse condition than our boat. Knowing what we know now we've probably chosen a different path in live. But then again the good thing about our project is that we're not that far away from a 100 square meter movable houseboat.
Thank you for this video. It gives me a good idea of how big my spending will be and how much I need to save up to be able to do this myself by the time I retire. Other people (notable sailors even) told me it would cost me millions and that I would never be able to do this, but this shows me it is perfectly doable, and dare I say, fun even.
If I may ask, do you happen to know where one would be able to buy an old "Kotter", as we Belgians say, like yours?
We offer a day free trial on patron. Feel free to join and attend the weekly Zoom call on Wednesday 20 00UTC. That way we can talk in detail about your project and about what we know. You can start looking for suitable boats on a platform called Marktplaats and also on German Kleinanzeigen (Search term: Kutter). My recommendation is a boat in between 18 and 21 meters. Everything above that is just crazy.
When you bought the boat did you have a number in mind on how much it was going to cost? were you over and under on that? What do you think the masts and rigging will cost. I have a little 23 ft Seaward my standing was 2,500 bucks. and how much do you plan on spending on all the cabins you had to tear apart? You two are going a Fantastic job. 2,3 yrs from now when everything is said and done, you'll be out sailing the 7 seas can't wait to see those video's
Worst case we planned on spending about 120k for the kasko and including the upcoming frame repairs we will end up there. It was always planned to replace the interior and to do everything step by step. 30-35 000 a year is a reasonable budget for the upcoming years in the refit. But if you look at pretty much every other refit project here on TH-cam you get a rough imagination what we thought that our income will be. Not thinking about Leo here but about Ship Happens and Yaba...
a ship costs maintenance, just like a house, a house in the Netherlands easily costs 400,000 euros in taxes and municipal costs, well a ship also costs euros in everything, but the freedom and compared to a house the costs are not too bad. , on holiday with your ship, go everywhere, generate your own electricity, etc., just compare everything,,, the house costs and a ship 📉
Especially since you've 100 square meters right next to the water. If you want in the center of popular towns. If you compare it to that it's quite cheap.
Well done really looking forward to the rig and conversation to charter boat fyi the engine room is way to big so much space to be used for cabins etc
We focus on sail training and education. Sailing with young people and folks who are interested in learning to sail a traditionally rigged boat. People who come aboard will be part of the crew. So maxing out cabin space isn't really necessary. But having more comfort for the people instead of for the engine would be nice. At the moment roughly 1/4 of the vessel is engine room.
I am interested in your total cost thus far.
Given learned advice on these projects is most valuable.
Could of saved 15,000 by having the hull repair paid by seller. The price would most likely gone up to 20,000 - 25,000. Might of got more wielding accomplish as well. This kind of deal needs to be considered before closing the deal. As we all seen Flying Coney was in a high state of corrosion.
The repaired hull looks very well. Video recording each step is also an investment. It’s good proof of work done. You might get offers before you finish her…
We bought the boat at about 60k and spent about 35k including tools. You have to take into account that a full survey including a haul out is about 5k. A lot of things can be fixed with 5k. In hindsight it's easy to say that a haul out would've been a great deal.
I’d call that a cheap example of owning a large boat. Your sweat equity is paying off!. Keep up the good work wonderful people!. Footnote: my boat will drink 160 litres per hour at full throttle…..:D. 12 litres per hour is amaaaaaazing for a boat of that size.
Thank you! My guess is that you're going a little bit faster than we are and that you're somewhere at this 1 mile per gallon mark. But I also think that 0,5 a gallon is great.
@@FlyingConey I’m doing 30kts.
12 liters per hour is equivalent to approximately 55 hp.
Love your dress , your such a beautiful lady
great job , owning a big old boat can be $$
Strange, I've been waiting for one of your videos. I never received notice of this video even though the bell is selected for all videos. Not your fault of course, just sort of strange. Thought you should know.
Thank you for letting us know. At this point we're almost sure that this channel run in some sort of bug. It's very frustrating at the moment because we really tried hard to make the last four videos stand out. All four of them failed miserably. We think that in the first few hours TH-cam promote the video on Google search. But people coming from Google search only watch a few seconds of the video. As a result the algorithm thinks it's a bad video and stops promoting the video. The good news is we will continue making videos and we're working on a possible solution. Also we will upload the new episode on patreon later this day. All the best!
65k... wow
Biggest and cheapest boat and the best looking hull thickness.
Glad it's working out for you, but me,I would have run like the wind away from her
Understandable, a big project isn't for everyone.
Did u check engine or driveshafts and steering condition?
Yes we had a surveyor who spent a few hours checking the boat and discussing with us the condition. The technical equipment is in relatively good shape, some of the equipment is even new like the steering pumps. Other like the engine do have a little maintenance backlog but not many hours on the clock. Not much work needed to get it back into shape.
Minimum wage in six countries in Europe was over 1,5k by 2022. Never the less, youtube filmmakers deserve more
After taxes? Since we do pay quite a lot for health insurance I took the numbers before taxes. And even if you calculate with 1500 per person we loose about 2k a month. But I don't want to complain if our channel would have similar numbers to every other refit channel here on TH-cam it wouldn't be an issue. I don't care about money as long as there's enough to make a living.
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you guys should get sponsors like ryacon or sum
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That is the reason I had ask why did you chose steel over wood and fiber glass it would have been cheaper
i died when you said but enough with justifying the worst decision in my life
So sorry I cannot contribute but hope my comments and likes enable those more able to join and be part of your journey, thank you,
Thanks for liking and commenting. Many people decided to donate after seeing this video. That's fantastic and we're really grateful for that. Each contribution even a nice comment helps.
Our problem isn't that the people who are already watching us are not generous enough. It's more that TH-cam is showing our content to less and less people. 5 times in a row now we have the worst performing video. I'm almost sure we've been hit by some algorithm bug and have to hope that it will fix itself. But we keep going for at least six more months. Let's hope we gain back some momentum so we can continue making the videos. And yes, each like helps 😉
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !"
Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ."
Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!"
Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..."
Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!"
Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky."
Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction."
Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
The name painted on the Bow could be done with better lettering and a nice font...
We already have the name and we try to get it on the bow as soon as possible. The problem is that we want to paint the bulwark first and therefore we need to do some grinding. Something we're not allowed to do in the harbor we are. It's not always easy and sometimes improvised things can last for a very long time.
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This story is a wonderful example of the importance of a proper survey prior to purchase. Not sure why they did this video without saying that this is how much it has cost them to get to this point completely devoid of an interior. Great video but a bit misleading.... or incomplete maybe?
It's the cost breakdown of a refit project. How much we've paid. This channel is about bringing and historic trawler back into shape. What you say about a survey is true about a boat in operational condition. It's essential that negotiating is possible. We paid the scrap value so it was take it our leave it. We knew that we had to rebuild the interior, we knew that we had to overhaul the engine and we knew that we have to add a sailing rig. If you don't want to deal with the problems a project boat confronts you with, don't buy one. Simple.
@@FlyingConey fair point.
@@FlyingConey I guess from my prospective something of that nature (restoration) is a labor of love and that's great, totally goes with what you are saying. Where it goes wrong for me is when you are doing as a business venture i the way you are, scrap or not the cost to repair must be factored into the business plan or expenses.
While I've never restored a boat I have restore a handful of houses but more over I've successfully started and sold 48 businesses so this part I'm comfortable saying I know something.
Pulling the boat for inspection would have made you aware of the needed hull repairs so it could have been considered. Factoring information like that is ultimately important especially when the cost run such a high percent of the initial costs as in your case.
From a restoration perspective I agree with you, from a business perspective I do not.
So your looking at around $250.000 by the time your finished not including your labor
Don't understand these people always asking the money questions. Feel the need to judge their life choices? What it is to you what something costs? Looking for arguments why they should not have bought the vessel? Think these people are old enough to know what they are getting themselves into. In previous episodes the cost element already came to the table. What about enjoying the work to be done? Wat about enjoying the dreams that come when thinking about when all is done and the legacy ship is given a new life? As far as I am concerned a priceless experience. Sure one can make some wrong choices in life. Well, when it comes to it, cheers to the lessons learned. Great work guys, just keep puching forward, you'll get there!
I will skip this one. It will cost all you can afford. That works with any boat and any budget. If there is something you can not afford, you have to rethink the solution until you can afford it.
Boats are expensive
Were the numbers higher than you expected?
While I think your content is more valuable than these jumping around cray cray tiktok videos (that are making tons of money), saying you should make minimum wage is a bit of a fallacy. You are self employed and use TH-cam as a platform and only the audience decides your worth (via watching and consuming ads). You expose yourself to the market and the market decides your worth. As a self employed person, minimum wage does not apply because no one can protect you from yourself. Additionally, working full time on a hobby project and getting paid (even if the amount is just 700€) is a big privilege to have. I enjoyed the video exactly until this point. If it does not work out for you, work in a normal job but don't blame your audience. That is really a bad vibe
We don't blame to audience. I think most of our viewers are very loyal and having 30 000 follower is a great thing. Also many decided to become Patrons. So that's why we keep making videos but are we not allowed to tell you the truth? That it is way harder to make a living with TH-cam than most people think? Also there's a lot of uncertainty with the TH-cam Algorithm. This particular video was underperforming the whole time, now it's getting traction. Wasn't it a good video in the first place? We have now double the monthly views compared with a few months ago but the add revenue is actually less. The algorithm also decides who sees the thumbnail of the video, for example we do have a slightly older audience than most other channels. Again, it's our choice to share the project even if it doesn't make sense economically speaking. It's our choice to express our view on the financial side of it. We're also offering quite a lot on Patreon for those who want to get more involved. It's your choice to watch, comment or even support.
Build an entire boat frame using 1/2 and 1 inch pvc pipe, fittings primer and glue. Once its all formed together then panel all the spacings between the pipe's ribs with 4 x 8 sheets of 1 inch Foil Backed Insulation Panels by punching holes and tying them with wood-strips and string to the Pvc Pipe.
Now purchase two barrels of Polyester Fiberglass Resin and hardener and purchase enough Matte Cloth to cover both the inside and outside with four layers of fiberglass. Then add in an interior.
For a 150 ft x 25 ft Yacht or Ship you would never go over $12,000 Pounds or Dollars. And its New. Now add the Engine from that rust bucket and get rid of it.
Seriously? Paying 68.000 € for a worn out unsafe rust bucket is reasonable??? Good heavens! 😱🙈
Yes it was a reasonable price and you hardly find a steel vessel of that size below that. Let alone one with a safety certificate. The current value of the prop, gearbox and engine is about 30 000€. I tried my best to explain the issue with the CVO, without it you're not allowed to move a boat under own power. So the CVO alone is worth quite a lot.
The previous owner destroyed quite a lot by wrongly re- wiring the boat. We didn't knew that and he's a ship mechanic by trade. So we believed in his skills. That was a mistake.
Could be worse...you could be living in Gaza!🙄
Even in wartimes there was always empathy in between sailors. There was always an understanding that politicians are far away on land and the guy on that other ship does exactly what you do. So having that in mind our thoughts are with the civilians in Israel and in Gaza. But our project is per definition not political.
Just imagine how much good you could do with the money you spent on that!
For example, restoring a sailing ship to teach teenager how to sail, how to be part of a team and how to take over responsibilities.
"The worst decision of your life."
You can say that again!
You dont need insurance. Skip it.
You dont need harbour. Skip it
Hire some guys from ukraine.
Berth outside of an bankrupt vessel, that could be for free.
Just saying. You spend tooo much
Without insurance no entry to a harbor.
Without a harbor, were do I get water from?
Where do I take a shower?
Where do I oder stuff to?
Where do I park my car so that I can get groceries?
You're thinking of industrial harbors with abandoned ships but they simply don't exist here.
Also a museum port would cost 250€ a year...
@@FlyingConey
Hi
I pay zero in insurance. And zero in habour fees. Try to find and abandon shipyard or look inside an industrial aera. Offer your help in exchange for a spot to stay.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
Thanks
That's lovely Chris. Thank you very much!
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Yeah! A new brush 😉😁 Thank you very much!