Customer spent BANK on this '03 XK8 to NOT have it fixed!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- I know cars are complicated, but I don't get this?!?! This 2003 Jaguar XK8 visited another shop, spent $$$, and didn't fix the problem. How did they miss it? Don't forget to check out @MrsWizardsWays for behind the scenes car and bus videos.
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Having a good mechanic who can diagnose properly is like gold, there are a few too many parts changers out there, not enough old school mechanics who know all the new school problems. Thanks for the vid Wizard and Grimes
Amen.
I love this channel. I like how you calmly explain everything and do the detail undercarriage shots. These are great! Thank you Wizard!
What a pair ! Like father like son ! ;-) Jags are the best ! Late 90', in my youth, fresh out mechanical school, I greatly wanted to work at Mercedes or BMW, but I 'only' got a job at Jaguar... Didn't expect that ! I drove Merks and BM's... Nothing beat a Jag. Try them ! You'll get it ! BTW, I'm not a rep, I just love the brand, I work in IT now.
Grimes is turning into a real asset to you wizard
The customer should read his repair bill which should list all parts replaced and all work performed. Then, the customer should ask the shop what all of that means if the customer doesn't understand what was written on the repair bill. Car Wizard could have asked for the prior repair bill and then would have 100% known what was done.
People have to start refusing to pay for repairs that aren't repairs. Take them to court and get your money back. Or attempt to reverse the charges through the credit card company. In my state, small claims are matter of public record; enough of these, and questionable repair shops will go out of business.
Not sure that taking workshops to court is the answer - as real winners from a court hearing are the lawyers - and the likelihood of getting your money back is somewhat remote.
@@georgebettiol8338generally no lawyers in small claims.
Absolutely, unfortunately the first step is people knowing what is a reasonable repair. I know someone who took her truck in for a simple repair and had her transmission replaced without her consent after it was "diagnosed" as the problem. It took months for her to even get her truck back. Obviously the jack a** thought a little old lady didn't know what was what, and he was wrong. You can imagine how many people would have just paid and moved on because it sounded legitimate.
Easier said tha done. Many courts require an “expert” witness and most mechanics are too busy to go to Court for the slight chance you may recieve a judgement. Even if the mechanic does go the judge may ask how long each mechanic has been in business and side with the other mechanic because that mechanic claims to have been in bussiness longer.
We are talking about jaguars. Even the dealer can’t fix them and make them stay fixed.
That Jag looks to be worth fixing most all the issues.
That's kind of fishy a customer wouldn't have a receipt for a $2000 repair to show what was done. You would normally save that receipt, throw it in the glove box at the least. Hmm? 👍😎✌🗽
People have thrown away lottery tickets worth hundreds of millions of dollars
@@wmpx34 Very rare, but yes, there is that possibility. I always throw them in the glovebox which is never used so fairly safe it'll be there when, if I need it.
I think the wizard is being diplomatic, if he doesn’t ask or isn’t given the receipt its better as his channel isn’t about naming and shaming to the “n”th degree what others do or don’t do, im pretty sure whoever worked on that motor will get to hear about their mis-diagnosis one way or the other.
@@brutonstreettailor4570 More like a scam if true, they did nothing, and charged the guy $2000!😎✌🗽
These have aged so well! Beautiful car, and probably an appreciating future classic!
Absolutely. Much nicer than the series 2 cars.
Love the look from any angle.
It already is. Prices are going up on em
Coupe is a looker
Just because you don't see any on the road doesn't mean it aged well, Unreliable British trash just like always...
This is such a nice car! Even if the foam that they use on top of the springs do degrade over time, they are relatively easy to replace and gives a suspension that is like nothing else. If you can buy a Jag, you can afford to have the foam replace every decade.
Yeah nah.
Old Jags are cheap for a reason imo.
The old saying that "if you couldn't afford it when it was new then you can't afford it now" is very very apt imo.
If you can work on them yourself then maybe......................
@@oldbloke204bad take. I daily drive an 08 XK through thick and thin and it probably on average needs 1000- 1500 a year in maintenance. and it’s only that high because I had to redo suspension bushings which wasn’t that bad. no engine or transmission issues other than a vacuum leak from a shop righting my air intake while it was bent during regular service checkup
@@h7pubg Yep some stories like that and then there's the others.........
Plenty of horror stories out there as well so your anecdotal evidence means little.
Some people have a good run out of Jeeps and Land Rovers as well............
@@h7pubg h
I look at jags and see so many other cars I could buy other than one of these....
A shortage of actual mechanics and intelligent/informed owners sums up these types of issues. Jags are quite well done, ...not perfect, but quite good.
Years ago I had an issue with a 5.0 Mustang. After a garage changed the EGR and half the sensors, I figured out it was the transmission range sensor.
Great looking car. I had the xkr coupe. I would recommend having one as a weekend run around. They are not expensive to buy, but they are expensive to maintain. Great video update.
when you own a jag, you car goes lean on both banks. then you go lean on both banks also.
I'm on my 4th Jag and none of them has been expensive to maintain, keep on top of routine maintenance and they're as reliable as anything else on the road. But I'm in the UK where maybe the mechanics don't take you for a ride - they let the cars do that! The main expense is fuel and tyres!
The "foam" in the struts is used for ride comfort and acoustic behaviour. The "foam" has better acoustic insulation then the usual rubber pads and also keeps away the very very little bumps coming from the suspension (it reduces harshness).
That stuff is really tough, it's used as bump stop in a lot of cars but for this application it really is meh because a lot of dirt and grime gets caught between it and the spring and that destroys it rather quickly (ok took some 20 years in this case)
it just doesn't last, which is a problem since its so hard to replace
Probably failed years ago and wasn't noticed or cared about until now
Why not have a rubber outer shell on the foam, to make it less exposed to salt, grit and water from the roads, it would still soften the feeling!?
@@scott8919 Probably causes a rattle when you go over a bump due to the gap in the parts
@@Bratfalken Nah doesnt work. The rubber would need to be very thin and wouldnt last very long. If you make it thick enough you can go full rubber anyway. Also I dont think you can put the rubber around the foam because the heat required would destroy it.
Wizard: it’s a Bonnet not a hood also Wizard “let’s open the hood “ oops
In England, the hood is the roof, or top.
@@user-pgchargerse71 And the trunk is the boot.
Thanks for another video! I have a Jaguar XF , love it! But they can be hard to work with! I've had the dreaded restricted performance warning on my car, and it was the inlet manifold on the 3.0D, had that changed out!
This video is spot on! Omega did some extensive work on our 1998 Jaguar XK8 and that video is found on his channel from last December. They communicated with us on everything! The work was done by who we considered experts on Jaguars. We are fortunate to live just over an hour away from Omega and couldn't be more grateful. Well done Omega and so happy you are doing your part to keep these cars on the road and being seen! Our Jag has won multiple awards now at shows in two states, and when folks hear the Car Wizard worked on it, they are like, WOW, you got the best!
My 03 Jag is an XKR. I just had my front strut mounts changed. Fairly standard stuff. Wonderfull, beautiful cars.
I have always loved the curves on Jag's ......Koo koo kachoo .
These Jaaags definitely aged well!
Why can't customers bring in their previous garage's receipt?
It's not like they suddenly lost it..
I knew a good mechanic who used sledge hammers. He was an alignment specialist who straightened bent frames!
Have a 05 super v8. Got the restricted performance. Had to replace both fuel pumps and a rear electronics module in the trunk finally fixed it. I got bad gas. tank was full of black brown goo. Nice to have my car back. Easy access to fuel pumps. Not too bad of a repair Dealer price for one pump was $1,600. Got two from hard rock car parts. $200 for both. Used rear module from Lithuania for $40 with postage. That car looks to be in good shape
Beautiful car except for those ugly aftermarket wheels.
I believe these were actually a dealer option
Mrs wizard - that jag gearbox is a “J gate” box. You can manually shift through 2nd, 3rd and 4th when in the twisties. I miss my old XK8! Lovely cars
The J gate doesn't actually let you shift through the gears, it just limits the gear i chooses to no higher than what you've selected. You need the later Jags with the paddle shifts for manual control.
these cars, especially the facelift 4.2 ones, are really not that bad, but most techs play dumb when a jag rolls through their service bay.
They see the car, then see the dollars.
Once again, your shop lives up to the name Omega. It is where automotive problems meet their end.
Been loving this car since I saw in Memento
Dont ask brits what they think about calling it a "growler"
As a Brit a growler to me is that lovely Jaguar's face. What else is it?
Honest straight forward mechanics , not looking for a quick buck, looking to do a genuine job….well done 👍👌🇮🇲
Probably could have cleaned the MAF sensor and re-tested before just replacing it though - a bucks worth of MAF cleaner vs maybe a hundred or more for a new sensor... just something I would have tried first anyway.
@@Beer_Dad1975yea but for Piece of mind just replace the sensor it’s not that much more and u know it good too
@@cbruno12180Problem is they are often extremely pricey- just looked up my GS460 for example, nearly $300 for an OEM one from Lexus - or you can take your chances with a knock off for a lot less - found one for $40 but no way am I putting that in my car. You clean it, you plug in your diagnostic and check everything is within range, if it's not - then you can replace it and you've only lost 15 minutes.
Guess it's different for me as I do most of my own work - I normally give mine a spray when I clean & oil my air filter as I run a K&N oiled filter, and they can degrade the performance of the MAF if you don't clean it from time to time.
@@Beer_Dad1975Good idea for a DIY. But if you're commercial shop offering a warranty, I'm not sure that works out so well.
@@stevewhite3424Yup I see your point - having the customer have to come back if it does fault later is probably not worth it either for you or for them.
Mrs. Wizard seemed confused as to why you'd need a digital/analog clock. This has been an issue in aviation for a long time. A digital display gives you raw information as to what time it is. But knowing the time is one thing - figuring out what the time is *relative* to another time is something else. Your digital clock may read 10:45, and that's good to know. But in your head, you have to then convert it to useful information. On the other hand, an analog display tells you very quickly that it's a quarter to eleven. With an analog display, you don't really have to know the exact time because you can easily see that, for instance, if you need to be somewhere at 11:00, you only have a short time left. In some cases, an analog display is simply better or more intuitive. Let's say that you have a digital readout of oil temperature. If the gauge reads 100 degrees and the limit is 105, you might not notice that it's close to the redline. An analog display makes it very clear that the oil temp is about to hit the redline. In my car I have both a digital display of time in my radio, but an analog clock high up on the dash. Guess which one I use more?
That digital clock was the face of the satnav!
The wheels don't say "Cuventry" they say "Coventry" with the OV pronounced OF. It's the city where the Jaguar factory was based. I live here, think of it as the British Detroit with added deprivation 😂
If I paid $2000 to have my car fixed and it didn't fix it, I'd want my money back.
And it looks like the other shop just cleared the codes and charged him a shitload of money for it. I don't call this parts cannon, I call that fraud.
A friend of mine bought a used Jag for $8k. He said I'll put $5k into it and have a nice car. Long story short it was a money pit. Anyone buying a Jag should expect to walk away once it becomes a money pit.
Diagnosis, as your shop does, is always the smart move. 🖖😎
Sadly, most shops hire people out of school, then do not bother to train them. Some shops send their mechanics to seminars, but the incentive is to party, rather than learn, for many. Seminars really is not training, if there is no requirement to perform tasks to confirm the learning experience. Very few mechanics can Diagnose issues, and that is why many unnecessary parts get replaced, BEFORE the problem is solved. Often shops pay on a flat-rate basis, so the incentive for mechanics to do a good job is missing. It is a sad state of affairs that plagues the industry, and gives good mechanics a bad reputation, by association.
The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to plug up the drain. Modern cars are far too complex. That's the biggest problem.
I would want to have nice covered garage with lots of tools and repairs manuals if I owned a Jaguar. It's a do it yourself car, or go broke paying some else.
The customer is not very bright to spend $2000 and they don’t have a receipt showing with the shop did.
That is very common today that people just buy and replace all kind of parts without diagnostics.
Few cars look a lot newer than they actually are, this is one of them.
QUESTION, i have a question about 2009 ford escape 4wd vs awd. i have a 4wd, my title says 4wd, my truck says 4wd. my transmission went out and i noticed for the first time that a lot of escapes are labeled awd. i looked up the vin's and it says awd. neither the awd or the 4wd have any buttons or levers and these are cars from the same plants. when looking for a transmission do i need to look at any specific set of numbers? almost unrelated i have noticed some shifters have p.r.n.d.1.2. and some have p.r.n.d.L...i am very confused about this. thanks
These older Jaguar's are great vehicles, but it costs a lot of time and money to keep these vehicles on the road.
Car is known as a 2 + 2 but really it is just a 2 seater, the rear is known as a cheater and so be able to insure it as a four passenger instead of a 2 seat sportcar.
Oh No.. This reason alone is why I started my Car Channel here on TH-cam. "DIY" Do It Yourself if you can or take it to The Wizard. I have had 5 Jags and currently a 98 Jaguar XJR and what the Wizard pointed out is exactly what I would have checked. I hope in some way, the owner got paid back but I am sure he did not. MOST and i would say 75% of mechanics are not to be trusted and this come with experiences and again, the reason I started a car channel to show folks you SOMETIMES can do the work yourself. I have actually thought of shipping some of my cars to The Wizard, time will tell. Get job again Wizard.
Hi, Mitch.
Hey Gary@@garyvanremortel5218
I only shoot the parts cannon if the ammunition is cheap.
Wise philosophy.
Beautiful car! I must say, your crew is really great, and seem very competent. I know it shouldnt matter, but they are also great for youtube. I cant believe Im saying that. Its not really important to your business
I feel like that's missing an under tray. Plastic or not, those do matter (like fan shrouds) for proper cooling and protection.
As an Englishman I find it pertinent to inform you on how to say Jaguar, there’s no w its jag u ar. Also love the content and growler is also British slang for vagina.
I've only heard Jaguars growl.
I think that all the other shop did was scratch their head, clear the codes and charge the customer. If I were the customer that other shop would be in front of a judge.
Having ran two Jaguar XJ's from experience you need a hard to find repair shop that realy
do know how to find the faults without just running up an expensive bill.
You only need to do some research to find out exactly what is causing your issues
this can be confirmed with some diagnostics and most of all a good mechanic
that is not not just a spare parts fitter..
Re the suspension mounts, these and a lot of the other bushings are a known weak spot,
replacing the bushings is not a five minute job, be prepared for a large bill.
When running as they should these cars are superb and put other cars to shame with
their high quality interiors, just keep an eye on the headlining, another weak spot!
You gotta get a real Magic 8 Ball. Not that Temu ripoff!
If you hear an Englishman say growler, it has nothing to do with Jaguar or beer. Think more along the lines of a cougar and her shrubbery.
I've heard plenty of Engishmen say growler when they look at the emblem on my Jag. I guess Jag owners are just more refined.
Garbage car not worth the price in parts. Btw there are a lot of those out there
As soon as I watched this video I went straight to my 2007 Audi a3 and checked the dipstick and oil cap to see if those seals could be causing my lean code. What would ya know but my oil cap gasket is gone! Thank you wizard!
Glad to hear you got it! Those engines are also notorious for failed CCV diaphragms as well as rear main seal failure causing lean conditions!
At 2:51 I seen you have a blue Bentley are you gonna make a video on that car soon I would like to see it :)
I used to think that I would never own a foreign car because of little problems like this, but now it seems like American cars have lost quality and parts are hard to find. I’m actually starting to lean towards foreign cars now because they are the lesser problem of the 2. And although more expensive the parts seem to be more readily available. Unless I can find something American made from the 60’s or 70’s.
i cant think of why you would want your hood to open that way
Love a Jag, and always great when the Wizard gets one on a video. Your Mr Predicto is clearly broken though.
Wizard you called the hood that’s not a hood a hood at 10:35
I love seeing the jags in your shop. I did my best when I had my own shop to set the expectations with the clients. As for that XK8, that is the best driveline they ever had. 4.2 V8 and 6HP!
Not a fan of the 2000s Jags under Ford just because they shared a lot of parts with each other and charged such a premium for people to buy them. Much like Chrysler and Maserati today
Why not convert this car to a different motor . A more reliable motor. Yes it would not be a Jaguar motor which are crap, But V8 from Ford or any other
Company . A quality motor for a beautiful car! Both English and Italian cars were styled beautiful but the mechanics are garbage. It would be a bastard
car but a reliable one.
The XK8 is nice but I love my XJ Super, immensely.
Can you imagine if doctors took a "parts cannon" approach to either medication or surgery!
Yikes!!!
They do in some quack professions like psychiatry
Honest mechanics are hard to find. Keep up the good work.
The back seats are put in by the manufacturer to make insurance cheaper
I thought it was to avoid the additional 2-seater car tax in the US. And they're great for transporting drunks who are, of course, "legless"! I've carried three people in my 2001 XK8 with the front passenger seat pushed forward - you need people with short legs, of course. But they're great as storage space - I miss them in my F-Type.
Im gonna say throttle body is the cause of the fault, wish me look
it’s common at this age, pretty integral to the car, not a big deal to fix though
So funny. Right after you insisted that it was a bonnet instead of a hood you told Grimes to open the hood.
Yep.1:52 "It's a Bonnet". 10:38 "Open the Hood". 😂
@@LazyLary In the UK we'd have lowered the roof if told to open the hood.
Hi Wizard. That 6 speed ZF gearbox is overdue a fluid change. I believe Jag sold them as 'sealed for life', but the pan, pan fixings, control sleeve should be replaced every 80-90k miles. You must use the correct ZF fluid too.
Fluid replacement was recommended and declined. I’m a stickler for maintenance intervals. 😂
@@GrimesGarage oh dear. When the gearbox goes this gorgeous car will probably be scrapped.
I think ZF recommend around 60,000 miles for the fluid change. I had mine done and it made a noticeable difference (remember "the lurch"?).
My 2001 xk8 with ZF-5HP is at 81k. Received a trans filter kit this week $45 all in + ZF brand fluid at $23/liter, so that 'lifetime fluid', well ...81k is its' lifetime. Just yesterday did the h2o pump and associated parts, $56 pump, steel gasket oem, $28, serp belt, idler pulley@$40, a few more items... With patience and tools this gen XK is somewhat DIY friendly.
I just checked my perplexity A I and a Chevrolet LS1 was mentioned as a decent motor to consider
Any aftermarket part solution to the top mount spring bushings?
If there was a car wizard close to my home town, my 2002 jag type s would still be in my garage
I had a -00 xj8 sport, only 80k miles but still a major black hole for repairs. :) beautiful car but no more Jaguars for me.
The exhaust going over the rear subframe was well on its way out as well.
Hey David. I have the exact same car, except as an XKR. It has/had the adaptive cruise control, but that stopped working a few years ago and the orange warning light says “cruise control not available”. The Jag forums offer lots of possible fixes short of a new unit, which I understand costs a couple thousand. Any suggestions on what I might try?
"Why did I spend another $2K"? What? Don't they get itemized bill with work done? Or Jag owners just throw purse at mechanics like "here, get the coin, fix it I will come back later"
Wow love the interior,yes lots of buttons lol but it’s amazing this generation is a real classic now!
That is a very nice jaguar I think I saw headers on it 🤔
My Neighbour had what you call a JHAGG-WHAAAAAAAR E-Typé he never called thosé Veee-Hikull Jhagg-Waaaaaaars 4 seaters he calléd thém a "2+2" ¡¡¡¡¡¡
I purchased a 97 xk for dirt cheap few years ago because the fellow who owned it had check engine light poor performance, code reader read lean bank 1 and 2 , he spent 1000s of dollars on it and never had issue resolved ..one thing i noticed while driving was sound of air ..after exploring around i noticed a breather hose that was cracked ...20 dollar part later and a lot of swearing as it was equipped with strange clip i got it off and what you know issue resloved 🎉
I too like Jags, I like Ferraris, I like Alfa's, I like Lambos...they look great and drive even better..BUT none are what you call GOOD cars in that they are relaible, dependable or particularly well built. Lexus life for me and it's GREAT!
Still a beauty
Can confirm seats are very comfortable and supportive. I spent 13 hours in my 2000 XK8 convertible from New Hampshire to North Carolina and not a cramp, sore muscle or numbness. I understand many people have issues with Jaguar reliability and repair costs but mine has been rock solid. They're comfortable, reasonably quick, good looking from almost every angle (yes, the E-Type is better), the early ones ooze class (before the interior "freshening") and they are dirt cheap. What more could you ask for?
Most people who claim Jags are unrelaible and expensive have probably never driven one, let alone owned one. People have long memories and are thinking back to the bad old British Leyland days when things really were bad. Times have very much changed for the better now.
Most shops just throw parts at the problem and clear the codes. For a lot of people, thinking hurts.
Fuck that magic ball! I love my F-type!
I love mine, too!
I knew someone that had this car brand new in ‘03. It almost immediately developed a battery drain condition that was never resolved, even after having Jaguar send some expert to try to fix it. He wound up getting rid of it… not sure if he was refunded- it was probably still under warranty…
Great looking car…
Take magic 8 balls advice
It’s amazing that a Jag got over 60,000 miles let alone almost 100k. Look at the ones for sale and you don’t see over 50k miles much. They look so damn good. I loved most Jag’s looks since I saw an XKE back in ‘60 at 9.
I always liked that XK8
I liked the mk2 best !
why don't you offer alternatives ? here we have a car . It's not a car in the sense that we are well aware of your interpretation of what a CAR is . No this is sensors on sensors on computers on computers and we've been able to educate you into believing it's in the name of fuel efficiency , power , safety. We've not only made them tamper proof , we've made them so only a dealer can fix them . An F100 has a cracked tail light lens cost to fix $5200 . See Uncle Tony's Garage "They really are out to get you" . Wizard as you are often in a position to propose alternatives to the customer here's an example . A Bentley or Rolls Royce ,or similar has a host of never ending very expensive ongoing sensor and computer problems , Wizard says , I've got Yanmar, Isuzu, Kubota ,all analogue all non turbo engines to replace the garbage that you currently own , I can put a 12 speed auto transmission in there and it will still be on road after travelling million miles , customer changes the oil and filters every 5000 miles ,Wizard changes the belts and adjusts the tappets every 100,000 miles. The question is would your average constituent leap at this opportunity ?
Im planning on purchasing a 1999 xk8 an it has 60k on it,but it been sitting for 3 or 4 yrs an it doesn't run. They guy say blue book value is 8000 to 9000 tell me what you think its worth
The customer should go back to the other shop and demand a refund. If not, take them to small claims court for not fixing anything. Show them the bill from Omega. They fixed the problem.
This customer must have lied to you, $3000 spent on the Jag and they didn't give him a bill on what they spent the money on? That sounds suspicious alone. Since you said that you didn't see any changes done in the car, it must be the customer, lying to you to get your sympathy/attention. You fixed his beast for way less, that's what matters. I am just sharing my 1cent. Keep up the Great and Honest work and videos, give my regards to your whole team too. God bless y'all.
Man, Jaguars are the best lookin mechanic cars. I’ve owned 2 that were just buckets of problems but they’re so beautiful.
I always enjoy the Jags on your channel! So glad I took my 2004 XJR to you guys last year!
I have a new issue I just troubleshot with my XJR. A leaking electrical connector on the AC compressor was causing a P0174(lean) and restricted performance! Definitely a head scratcher!!
Sorry but you didn't check front end out properly, no weight on suspension fully extended, I think I saw left front tire inside wear and rust color dust around left front lower ball joint it is possible its fine but I have found from my years of turning wrenches it should be checked again, and I think I saw right upper ball joint boot was ripped , I truly don't know everything, but I think worth variation for customer, keep up the videos, p s Ferrari looks dusty, break my heart
I often fire the parts cannon, but in a slightly different way…
One leaking shock? All 4 get replaced.
One tie-rod end loose? Both get replaced along with the lower ball joints.
Plastic roller breaks in one of the window regulators? I service and lubricate all of them, replace the same roller in all 4 and repack the gearboxes with new grease.
It’s a bit different because it’s my car, but you get a lot more life out of a vehicle being proactive with maintenance, rather than reactive.
“….. a nice ‘growler’ imprinted in the centre of the steering wheel…”. (5’ 40”)
Has a totally different connotation here in the U.K. 😂😂
I wish my 03 Jaguar XKR looked as good as that one underneath. I'm in the UK and I'm afraid our weather is not kind to the chassis of these cars. They are great cars to drive though.