Inside Out: Is Joy the VILLAIN? - Wisecrack Edition
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omg i just realized when sadness touches the happy memories they're becoming nostalgia
Jerry Takanaka I think it's more in line with bittersweet memories. Some nostalgic memories can be happy ones.
"Saudade" is the word you are looking for
vitor café u mean sad right?
Animaljamer1345 Productions Its is a word in portuguese, it does not have a direct translation to english. Roughly it means "i miss you", but with a deeper meaning. Its hard to translate emotions.
Animaljamer1345 Productions nope
if u look closely you'll realize that joy is only in control during childhood. They showed anger being in control inside the father's head, and sadness in control in mom's head, disqust in pizza worker, fear inside cool girl's mind
THANK you. I'm glad someone noticed. Other people have told me I read too much into that, but I'm sure it was deliberate.
Which actually has implications for the father character. Sure he's loveable and dopey with Riley, but he seems to have a deep-seated anger in him that can come out sometimes.
I figured joy was in charge since she was the first emotion Riley felt, she appeared first. So maybe the mother felt sadness at birth, thus making sadness the leader
Multihuntr0 I wouldn't say he's an angry person or that's all Anger's role is as leader. As the bread winner of the house and in a profession that I take it he's has to hustle to make money joy, disgust, sadness, and definitely fear could in no way take charge like anger. Anger's role is to make sure things are fair, he wants to make sure he's not getting short changed and that his family is first no matter what.
The Mom has Sadness as her leader because like in the movie Sadness doesn't just mean depression. Sadness is in tuned with how others feel. As the nurturing one (being a mother) she is always there to make sure Riley is okay. Sadness picks on Riley's emotions and works to make her better.
The mom and dad are not Reilly, so that is no way indicative that Reilly will become as her parents. Just know that a person's past experiences can shape thier personality and the emotions they lean onto. Reilly doesn't share histories with her parents.
rissarae3 damn your really good at analyzing
what if san francisco is the villain
Nanci Shur'tugal yea it is! They ruined pizza!
Genius. In a child's mind it would be because of the 'complicated' stuff.
Nanci Shur'tugal yes it is true
Joe Rogan agrees
Just like in The Good Dinosaur nature is the villain.
I think this is a common problem with society. Everyone seems to think joy is the only emotion we should ever feel, but all emotions are equal, necessary and add depth to life
yeah no shit that's the entire point of the movie
People don't realise how much damage they do by trying to prevent all negative emotions especially with our children. I try to handle my children's negative emotions by reminding them that their emotions are there's to feel. There's nothing wrong with being mad or sad sometimes, but there is a right way and a wrong way to express and handle those feelings.
*theirs to feel. Damn autocorrect.
Well said. I really hated Joy watching the movie because she feels so unreal (I know, I know. She's a fictional character). It's okay to feel unhappy, angry, etc...
When I was younger, I'd get in trouble for being sad...
+iCookieChan1 me to
+iCookieChan1 maybe you need to stop living with those kind of people! even if they are family members ! ! ! ! !
Wasn't this the whole point of the movie? You can't be happy all the time and that you need to embrace all your emotions?
technically..."sometimes you have to deal with sadness"
Yes, it was :P
you can now since weed is legal. All miserable escapists cheers to Obama!
fuck man I've been numbing my brain with weed and alcohol and I thought I was having fun
It was both that and "It's okay to grow up and leave stuff behind, you don't need fight against that." Really, the movie in itself is a validation of emotion. And that's the most comforting thing in the world.
I hated Joy so much. The way she trivialized Sadness infuriated me the whole movie. The realization at the end wasn't enough to make up for that to me.
Same,I try to forgive her but I just can't
honestly how Joy treats Sadness is exactly why I hate her since I can relate to Sadness. It's fucking aggravating when you have people constantly telling you to be happy or trivialize your feelings like they aren't justified.
Kaze Farel then you're an idiot.
I'd keep in mind she's the same age as Riley...so she literally didn't know any better.
She was the embodiment of joy. Of course she would shun her polar opposite
My Dad once told me that happiness and having fun aren't the same thing. Working a job might not always be fun, but being productive and being rewarded for your productivity can lead to being truly happy.
Yes, Joy is wrong, but you can't really call her a villain. Throughout Riley's life, every emotion wanted Riley to feel happy. The other emotions, including Sadness, allowed Joy to take the wheel and lead the way most of the time. When Sadness's actions began causing unexplained problems during the worst possible time, naturally being the one everyone looked to, Joy said "Don't touch anything until we figure this out." Sadness disobeyed, and Joy reacted to the situation. Her actions were self-serving, yes, but again, all the emotions wanted Riley to feel happy so they would be just as guilty. The only time Joy does anything that seems villainous is when she genuinely abandons sadness.
If we go down this route, we actually paint the mom as the villain. Joy was actually learning to let the other emotions take over until the mom points out how thankful she is that Riley was able to keep a smile on her face. But again, do we really call someone a villain just because they unintentionally create a problem? The antagonist of the movie is life itself, both for Riley and for the emotions.
👍
+Shady Doorags They didn't want happiness for Riley, they wanted what was best for her. Joy commandeered the group into believing she was the most important, but she isn't.
Also, you're missing the point. The reason sadness was coming out in awkward situations was because Riley never got the chance to explore those feelings in her own time. This would be a criticism of her parents' parenting style.
+Shady Doorags Exactly, Joy wasn't evil. She was merely wrong, misguided. In the end she understands her mistake and corrects them, which is exctly what makes the difference between moral and immoral people imo. Everything else with the video was spot on though. The moview was great, although they could've put a bit more emphasis on the struggle between Sadness and Joy inside Riley, or moreso show it in a way where people see it in reference to why Riley is actually doing what she's doing. In that sense though, the movie did very well still.
you're describing a dictatorship...
+Shady Doorags Actually the other emotions are part of Riley's subconscious mind and so they only really want what Riley wants. And it's quite obviously and repeatedly portrayed that Riley's mother and father try and force Riley to always be happy. To me it was quite obvious that Joy is the Antagonist...
Joy didn't kill Bing Bong. Bing Bong sacrificed himself.
+Graham Kristensen THANK YOU!
+Graham Kristensen NEVER FORGET BING BONG >:(
+MauveBanshee yeah....
Would he have had to if she didn't mess everything up?
+Graham Kristensen True, but her actions made the situation that required him to do that.
it can't just be me that thought joy was the villain before watching this
nope.
Joy is totally the villain. Selfish.. Always wants HAPPINESS, HAPPINESS, HAPPINESS
Magia merlyin
You're not alone, but I thought Riley's Joy wasn't as bad as some people color her to be, and not nearly as good as most people do.
Joy is not the villain in the movie, she's the protagonist by all definitions. The story is about her journey, her discovery of what it truly means to be a part of Riley, and that is to be a part of Riley, not to be Riley.
definatly not i thought she was
The scene when Riley finally cries is a heartbreaking moment, I think we all have that moment when we can’t pretend to be happy anymore and let our true emotions come through
finally, someone who understands that Sadness wasn't a jerk, she was just trying to DO HER JOB.
I know right,stupid people
Dremi Echandia
Just because someone is doing their job, doesn't mean that they aren't annoying. But I get what you're saying
+Firasource sadness is not annoying👎🏻
She crushed sadness's little self esteem
Wait...are you saying feelings can have feelings?
I really think you can't couch Inside Out in the "Hero/Villian" binary of storytelling. Ultimately I think it's one of those "man vs self" stories - a coming of age tale where the character ultimately learns an important lesson about themselves over the course of the story.
I 110% agree!
😐 ur boring.
That is mathematically impossible.
I think the same you don't see a good/bad guy do you. For one you are right I need to know the secret of the movie "inside out" This movie believe it or not THERE IS NO BAD GUY only good.......🙂
There is no good guy... The conflict resides internally - both dichotomies inhabit the same characters.
Free your mind man...
Anger : "Let's use that curse word we know. It's a good one!"
Anger gets sh!t done! Also, it's an actual quote in the movie!
Not everything has a villain. There are conflicts sure, but not always a villain. Yes, Joy creates the conflict, but nothing about her makes her a 'villain'. She is conquering a flaw she has. It revolves around a personal internal conflict she has as a character.
Joseph101O1 exactly
Joseph101O1 no sadness is the protagonist joy is the antagonist because of all the shit she caused and the emotional problems she caused sadness
she's not THE villain of the movie, not in a traditional sense, but she IS the film's antagonist as well as one of its protagonist, causing the majority of the film's conflicts dur to her desire to control Riley's brain.
I get what you’re saying, but that’s the persons interpretation of the film that Joy is the villain, you can disagree with it if you want, but not everyone will look at it the same way.
I would say Joy is a villain
It never really occurred to me how much society tries to push people to not accept negative emotions before I watched this video
Poor kiddo
;_;
+Greg Moberg ...I have a better solution for your problems : screw emotions and act like something that has some sort of intelligence... you only need to emulate emotions so you don't appear like a lobotomized being to other braindead hormone-filled primates...
+ᏰĪᏝᏝ ՇÎρɧᏋƦ how do i achieve that. im still a slave to my dumb human emotions and stuff such alike
W to the addles well...there is not much to do... just... evolve...
It's a pity that I am trapped in this digital world... because if I would be in direct contact with yours - I would show everyone how to party on it's own life...
1:20 anger gets shit done lol
Jayonna Dawkins yup
if you get angry at a task you just want to complete the task more so that is very much true anger gets shit done.
I got that reference.
Unless you get so angry that you smash whatever you're working on. All things in moderation. Even moderation in moderation.
So that's why I never do anything on time! :D
Wait... H-how... How do I get angry? I can only get grumpy/dissapointed...
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO GET SHIT DONE?!
tbh, joy is like my main emotion, then second is fear. i don't usually get sad because i literally just love my life but sometimes i cry because i procrastinate too much and the reason why i would be a janitor when i grow up :)
When I first watched the movie in my mind I was yelling at joy the entire time like OMG NO STOP I ALREADY SEE WHAS GOING ON HERE and NO UR MAKING IT WORSE GENIUS
I guess in a way joy is both the hero and the villain. She wants what's best for Riley but she gets it wrong. Sadness being drawn to those memories is Riley's way of Turing those memories into sad/depressed ones but joy refuses to let sadness do that which causes her spiralling out of control and almost losing herself.... This movie is so amazing. It's so different from any other movie. It's so funny and clever and makes your heart break all within that hour and some.
DementorsKiss Youre right she just make a mistake and fix it
Sadness wasn't making them depressing I think, rather nostalgic.
@@alcik_palcik that is correct, when sadness turned the happy memories to sad memories she was making them nostalgic, because a majority of nostalgic memories are happy memories when they were made, but when you remember back on them after a massive change it can sadden you but also brings joy to remember those things
Can't enjoy the sunshine without rainy days
starfire can't enjoy the sunshine period the is too hot and too bright.
So true.
Without rain there's no rainbows
@@sc-fx7cy Just a funny thought. Rainbows are overrated. It's the sunsets/sunrises you should be excited for after it rains. The colours have greater contrast and variety. You can get colours like purple and neon esque blue paired with those thick clouds for a hugely more dynamic scene. Though where I live may play a role in it.
But of course you can like what you wish to. This is just my opinion.
Joy is the actual villain cause she thinks she is the main emotion and she tries to get rid of the other emotions
Nicole Mendoza I agree, Joy only wants the other emotions around if they help her cause.
The thing is that her parents ingrained that on her, and society ingrained it on them. There isnt a villain, there doesnt need to be, in a sense, there never is. There are ideas that dont work, whose application on the world produces unhappiness, one of them is "you have to be happy all the time."
Villains are usually guys possesed with one of these harmful ideas, like "if i conquer the world, then ill finally feel safe, or happy, or powerful, will deserve to be loved" or something like that
Nicole Mendoza, no! Joy is not a villain, the villain from Inside Out is Jangles the Clown!
Joy is only mad at sadness because she thought she was going to be the only emotion then sadness popped up shortly after. Not sure why she got mad at sadness for "corrupting" the core memory, when joy had actually done the same to the hockey memory. The memory was only happy at the end, not at the beginning, it was sadness's memory. At first it was a sad memory and because of outside forces the memory became a joyful one. And really she should be called optimism rather than joy. Simply because she tried seeing the bright side. This emotion should of been called happiness. Anger, Fear, Sadness, Disgust, Happiness. Core Emotions.
Nicole Mendoza NO SHE ISN'T.
Saying that Joy is the villain in Inside Out for this reason is like saying Marlin is the villain in Finding Nemo for being too protective.
Joy, Marlin and even Woody in the first Toy Story movie fall under the term of antagonist much better, as they resented the protagonist or something about the protagonist to the point of unintentionally causing a lot of problems.
Sadness is the true hero in this movie
accepting sadness is the true hero.
i hate her tbh
She's a fucking twat......I hate her
Lord EpixZ took the words from me
She's my favorite character ... She's most relatable in my opinion
One of the great things that makes Pixar films different from Disney films is that they don't always have to have a villain. We are all the heroes and villains of our own stories. Having both in one character makes this film extra sophisticated.
+ProfessorPuppet Word!
+ProfessorPuppet My Doctor once told me that we're all stories in the end and that we should all make it a good one.
ProfessorPuppet ))
You mean protagonist and anatognist, right? Because this video argues that while Joy is most certainly the protagonist, she is also the villian.
Sadness understands that many things aren't just one emotion, when happiness lets her be her you get memories with multiple colours.
Joy is both the protagonist and the antagonist of the movie. The conflict in Inside Out isn't about "man against man", but "man against himself". The movie is about Joy's internal conflict.
internal conflict inside out an internal confict
*(word)ception*
Sadness can help you become happy.
She makes me smile with her adorableness😊💙
happycentrist
True! After feeling sad and crying you released the bad emotions and negativity, you feel a lot better! So yes! Sadness can make you happy!
Of course! Sadness can tell you the true meaning of happiness. :)
Sadness gives the happy moments more value.
after viewing all the inside commentary of the film makers, the conclusion i draw from Inside Out is this simplified
1. joy is undoubtably the bad guy
2. joy doesnt know it, shes just trying to overachieve in her job
3. every adults emotions actually discuss what to do, where joy in Riley just dictates everyone, which is representative of Rileys own naievity and simplistic decision making indicitive in emotionally driven kids
4. nobody defends Sadness at any point, everyone just accepts that Sadness is pushed away by force. We see this manifest in the real world when Rileys mom asks her to be happy in liu of being sad. Therefore the parents are likely very much at fault for perpetuating a "sadness is bad" american dream thing
5. Rileys parents are in no way crappy. We see time and time again how supportive of Rileys growth and interests theyve been, how "for there" theyve been (such as when she lost that hockey game Sadness reminices about) and that her needs are fulfilled at all times, and grows into a wonderful person. The only time any of this changed is when the dad tries to scale up his professional life, likely striving to provide an even better life for his family and unfortunately hit a couple roadblocks along the way in due no fault of his own.
6. Imagine how different the movie would have been, how different it would have looked if the move went smoothly? Rileys clearly never had to deal with so much going wrong all at once, but it's not like their stuff is gone or destroyed, it just got delayed, forcing the entire family to live a couple days without the things to help improve the dreariness of their surroundings
Stop lying dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
exactly first time I watch the movie I thought joy was a bich
Ikr
2:06 "Riley's *crappy* family?!"
I would have loved for my parents to be half as supportive as they were😭
the biggest problem with this video is that it tries to cast someone as the "villain", or someone to blame. but there is no true villain in Inside Out. There is only the changes that Riley is dealing with, as well as a set of unfortunate events that makes the situation worse. but as we all know, shit happens.
I think that was about one of the most beautiful things of inside out.
i think the video was right on. i think some people just cant handle the concept of villians.
If Joy is a villain she is an accidental villain. It was not her intention to cause all her chaos. Joy is a selfish emotion because of dopamine and it's like a pusher for dopamine. Sadness gives all her dopamine away because other people need it more.
MattrickBT I d say all emotions are contagious and try to sustain themselves. I ve seen it with sadness in real life too. I dont know about the biology side, but they all seem as resilient as the others, dependng on the person we talkin bout.
+MattrickBT true
Hahaha the angsty dope fight club part
+Tyler Durden Of course, Mr. Durden.
+John Doe I'm not disclosed to bespeak any such information to you, nor would I, even if I had said information you want, at this juncture be able.
Are we talking about the film or the book? Oh, wait I forgot, we don't talk about FightClub!
+Tyler Durden I am Jack's clueless precuneus.
+Tyler Durden I actually carried around a copy of Fight Club...
I absolutely loved your take on this. It feels like you took the thoughts from my head and put them in a video. My 5yo and I only just saw this movie over the weekend. Loved it so much that my son begged me to watch it again. I read so many reviews that people hated this movie, and I think that's because they didn't get the message. As a soon-to-be therapist, I doubly appreciate you putting this out there.
Thanks so much for the vid!! Makes a whole lotta sense. I was concerned for this character Joy and her influence and impact. A friend watching with me said, “Wow, even Joy can feel sadness.” I was reminded that only through acknowledging certain emotions do we learn and grow in a healthy way.
Joy isn't the villain. She is not evil nor have evil ambitions (which defines a villain). She just wants Riley to have a fulfilling life. And by that she initially thought it includes suppressing negative emotions, sadness in particular (which would have dire consequences later on). It makes sense because the society we live in today also misinterpret sadness (and other negative emotions) as an "illness" or simply a "bad thing". Some of us, if not all are like this too, its becoming a norm to not accept any negative emotion.
It also makes sense for Joy to lead most of the time (making her look selfish), because being happy most of your life is a path to a healthy and fulfilling life. However, that does not mean one should deny negative emotions - a mistake Joy initially did which she later corrected it.
Joy didn't accidentally kill Bing-Bong. He sacrificed himself.
That cinnamon toast thing was bloody terrifying.
how was it terrifying
she inadvertently caused him to die because of her previous actions
Fix your Grammar She's female
Deebee Daydreamer
She indirectly caused his death. They wouldn't have been in that pit in the first place if Joy didn't cause the conflict.
My brain thinks the 9 hours I spend in school every day is information useless enough to be dumped out at night
Yeah
the ironic thing about this whole thing? Joy literally serves as the main vehicle within movies like this, which very much need an upbeat mood with quips thrown here and there. So this movie literally cannot have made it past the drawing board without the elements that joy embodies, because who wants to watch an animated movie that isn't supposed to make you happy? And yet, she is still very much the cause of the problems. And it's not like we witness 'character development,' how can we - she is literally just JOY. the other emotions can only hope to be more aware of their importance and wrestle power away from joy.
God yes, I fucking hated Joy for this very same reason, she was trying to make it look as if being happy all the time is mandatory and pther emotions should not exist, I hate the kind of people that won't allow sadness or anger
Same here
who is the main protagonist? sadness?
TyrannoBotti your brain's a turd.
Joy is a villain-protagonist.
The protagonist is balance and understanding.
"happiness is like glass at time you don't even notice you are happy. it is only when we look back see things from a deferent light do we see we were happy." a paraphrase of code geass
This just increased my appreciation for this movie tenfold. Actually, I think I might watch again after this. Thank you for this video!
Love that you guys are so keen on audiobooks. It becomes a bit of a running gag when you do it in person, this frequently, and to a limited audience.. i keep insisting though. thanks!
Joy being the cause of the problems does not inherently make her a villain.
+Jak Mar No, not a villian. But it does make her an Antagonist.
+Derek Joyce That much is true, yes.
No. Not antagonist, because she is who the audience is rooting for. She's just a character with an arc.
+Joel Werner Exactly. Nobody's perfect.
Joy was more of a control freak that had good intentions. Not a villain, but a blend of an antagonist and protagonist.
Before watching, based on the title alone, I agree Joy ys the villain of the story and that is how I have always seen it. She single handedly repressed Sadness (trapped her in the circle, didnt allow her to dk anything, forced her to read repeatedly the same user manuals, etc.) and destroyed the islands of personality when she lost the memories. Then she blames Sadness for everything. Let's see the video and see if you can reinforce this idea or if you will sway me to see other points of view ☺
wow, it is amazing your view. Not only you agree with everything I already thought but you also made me realize the outer problem, the happiness culture.
I did not expect to learn so much about emotions. Thank you awesome video!
joy was the villan she was hogging everything we should sometimes be sad tho
She is not a villian, she is a hero at fault, who learns the error of her ways.
+supperandjazz
You're absolutely right. This video talks as if the protagonist has to be PERFECT or else they're the villain. The whole point of the movie is to show how Joy slowly realises that she's not the central element of Riley's life anymore, as Riley grows up from the simple child that just wants to be happy all the time into a more complex human being with the vast problems in teenage and later life.
+supperandjazz I was thinking along the same lines. I don't think any emotion was meant to be villainized as all of them are important and are meant to work together (which in turn symbolizes Riley growing up and becoming more mature with more complicated feelings that aren't just made up of one emotion but multiple ones), which is literally the plot of the entire movie. I always read Joy's pushiness is the result of Riley's good childhood - kids SHOULD feel joy most of all when they're young...which is also why I think Joy learning about the importance of the other emotions reflects Riley learning it's okay to not be okay sometimes. She wasn't FORCED to think this way, she just never was in a situation where so much was going wrong at once. The way her family memories were set up, it honestly looks like this is her first big emotional challenge and it's why Joy also is finding herself being challenged for the first time.
+Yousif Alwatani i second that
I enjoyed the discussion, but I do not think the main character is a villain. Aren't many stories about a main character who is a fuck-up and an idiot, and the journey is about how they grow up from that and fix their own mistakes?
+tieltavisvt Exactly.
+tieltavisvt Yeah I agree. I see Joy as an antagonist and not a villain. She's not purposely trying to ruin the child's life.
+tieltavisvt The problem is that often the role of villain is the person who does bad, and often the reason for this isn't thought of. Many villains in the past have wanted to do good: even Stalin only wanted a good and equal world. The idea that a hero can't be the villain is completely wrong: look no further than examples of antiheroes through the ages.
+Ultimatus 821
That's true. It could be that Joy was a villain if she didn't realise her mistakes. However, she did, and it wasn't too late. There's a difference between an evil villain who just ruins things, and a flawed protagonist who gradually figures out the right path.
The dictionary definition of villain is
"1. a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickednessor crime; scoundrel.
2. a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot." Therefore Joy cannot be a villain since she does not have malicious intent.
Antagonist, on the other hand, means
"1. a person who is opposed to, struggles against, or competes with another; opponent; adversary.
2. the adversary of the hero or protagonist of a drama or other literarywork:"
This makes more sense because Joy competes with Sadness. Joy is an opponent to Sadness despite not being evil, so she is an antagonist and not a villain.
Wow! Thank you, Wisecrack, for your thoughtful and in-depth analysis. I appreciate your researched opinion and how cleverly you presented it. Well done.
not every movie needs a villain
Now that I've watched this video, here are my immediate rebukes.
1) Bing Bong's decision to sacrifice himself to help Joy get out of the Memory Dump was fueled by his realization and acceptance of the fact that Riley was done with him, and he made the decision before Joy could could have any say in the matter.
2) Joy being antagonistic towards Sadness stemmed from the fact that, for most of the movie, Joy had absolutely no idea how important Sadness is, a fact that was made clear within the first five minutes of the movie. This fact was present because Joy only looked at the direct effects Sadness had on Riley, and not the the indirect effects on the people around Riley, so it's more a case of ignorance rather than actual malice that was designed to be a jab at things that go on in real life.
3) At least Joy wasn't a, "Let me handle everything," type of control freak. Hey, she DID manage to figure out how to fit Fear, Disgust, and Anger into her plan for the first day of school.
Suzduko667 at first the video looks like a way to justify the idea of Joy being the villian in the structure of good vs bad in most movies. But then is quite explicit the video is a critic at the industry of joy not Joy the character. The intro about how psychology themes are used in the film serves to explain how concealed our emotions behind a facade of happiness is bad
Suzduko667 in other words you got stuck with the title
@@mrpurple11 Tell that to everyone else who thinks that the video meant Joy the character
@@sjemccabe why?
@@mrpurple11 because it's like you ssid, the video doesn't mean Joy the character, it's talking about the industry of joy. Practically everyone here thinks he means the character. I mean unless you agree that the character Joy is the true antagonist
When I watched inside out I had the vibe that Joy was an asshole, especially after the bit when she made Sadness stand in the circle of sadness
+Avary Powell Yeah let's kill happiness... I mean Joy.
YESS FINALLY I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR VIDS ABOIT THIS THANK YOU
I thought this the very first time I watched the film but never told anyone because I thought it'd be too complicated to explain (because I have before the film tried to tell people that I see the good in every emotion I feel from dancing around my room singing love songs to crying in bed all night, and nobody truly understood what I meant) but you seemed to sum it up pretty well so thanks! You've earned a new sub! :)
I remember the parents being controlled by singular emotions: The mother had multiple sadness homonculi controlling her and the father was all anger people. She is not ruled by those emotions like her parents so Joy is not a tyrant, just the dominant one (big difference). If Joy is the antagonist, which is reaching big time because she is the only emotion with an arc; then who is the protagonist? Discuss...
+Frank Dantuono Riley, of course. :)
But the parents each had the full range of emotional entities
Wisecrack
But Lucy is part of Riley. That is like saying Travis Bickle is the main antagonist in Taxi Driver and the main protagonist is NYC :)
+Frank Dantuono The parents were controlled by multiple emotions, but like Riley, the emotions let one particular lead. It's natural that a father dealing with work and having a daughter he loves would be lead by anger, a creature who wants to make sure life is fair. And it makes sense that a mother, who is constantly trying to feel sympathy for her daughter and support her working husband, would have sadness leading the charge.
As to your question, if Joy were to be the antagonist (which I don't think she is because the story is more about her than it is Riley) than Riley or Sadness would be the protagonist. In order for Joy to be the antagonist, she must be the acting force against the protagonist. The protagonists are limited to Joy, Sadness and Riley, seeing how much of the story is dedicated to them. Joy is constantly acting against Sadness's actions which we later find out are what exactly what Riley needs. Of the two, due to her direct and constant interactivity with Joy, Sadness would therefore be the protagonist.
The parents each had all 5 emotions, they just all dressed/looked like Anger or Sadness.
And Riley was the only person to have mixed-gender emotions when everyone else had single gender emotions. I read that this *might* have implied she's gender fluid... but it's a bit of a stretch. If it's true, cool Easter egg by Disney for putting that in.
I thought the same thing about Joy when I saw the movie. She reminded me of "that person" at work that often works in HR; she's overly cheerful, but that happy facade reveals someone that's overly controlling and egotistical. Everyone finds her annoying, but they don't dare say it to her face.
Oh god, I know exactly what you mean. The college I go to has at least 5 administrators like this. Also one of my classmates and our Professor is like this. I can't communicate any concerns with my administrators because anything that doesn't sound like a rainbow unicorn shitting gumdrops everywhere, is tuned out of their minds. While they force optimism down my throat and condemn my realistic view on life. Crazy thing is, I live in Washington DC. DC, a place where the stereotype America has given us is that we are all pompous and condescending sociopaths. Egotistical optimists isn't even something we're known for having. I'm so glad I'm transferring after this semester.
Absolutely love this type of video!
Also joy tires to control everything and doesn't even bother finding out why sadness is there
maisey 2000 yeah i was wondering why everyone liked joy in the movie. she was the one that kinda screwed up in the beginning because of her own selfish gain
there are some parts where I thought she was rude but calm your ass, she didn't kill sadness or what, she even handed the control thing over. Jegus.
She also attempted to have her thrown out; in the first few minutes of the movie, she states, "I've checked; there's no place for her to go."
As an antagonist, Joy isn't necessarily a _villain_, but more of a tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WellIntentionedExtremist
Thank you, sir, for linking TvTropes. You have made my day,
LordAstro
Heh, just be careful, or this might happen: xkcd.com/609/
Down the rabbit hole I go...
TV Tropes is addicting
NO! NO NO NO NO! NO! I WILL NOT DO IT! I WILL NOT KLIK THE SHINY BECKONING LINK TO HAPPY FUN LAND! NO!
...but thanks for bringing that up, mirrors my thoughts exactly.
You nailed it! :D
We need sadness in our lives, otherwise happiness is just a blank meaningless feeling to have. You have nothing to be happy about.
You're hungry, you're sad. Or pissed depending on who you are
You eat, you're happy because you overcome sadness
It's like video games or movies. You ain't gonna be happy automatically beating it or seeing the ending or you just won't get it
Exactly. That was some good analogy.
Without negativity, there can't be positivity, and vise versa.
@Retro Mammoth Would you be able to really say that?
happycentrist
This video turned out to be way deeper than I expected. A very useful watch.
Great video, loved it.
3:05 This is a common misconception. It's believed that people seek therapy and go on medication because they're just not "happy". While many people often seek therapy because they are unsatisfied with their lives, just about every mental health professional would tell you that it is unrealistic to expect to be happy all of the time. Therapists help us rationalize and cope with both negative and positive emotions, and medication stabilizes the fluctuation of mood in those that need it. Drugs are not prescribed arbitrarily to keep us from experiencing sadness. They are not prescribed to numb the population or stifle creativity. They are for people with unstable neurochemistry. While I do agree that there is a huge societal pressure "just be happy" and a negative stigma on mental illness, blaming the mental health field is simply inaccurate.
I agree but you should do some research to check if what you said is correct actually isn't
Just like that medication part you said that they are just given to those who need it. Not saying that it isn't true, just reminding you to evaluate your opinions or facts witch might be outdated or without base
You don't talk about fight club!!
+Shaun Taylor dude shush...
wait... if everyone followed this rule, then wouldn't nobody know about it and wither away???
+Andre Bruwer FINALLY! A GENUIS ON THE INTERNET
+Cute Pikachu2 Thank you( If you are referring to me that is)
+Andre Bruwer Your welcome
Man I love your videos wisecrack, I love your philosophy all the knowledge and how you make me enjoy it all , to awesome!!!!
Not every movie has to have a villain. One of the reasons people loved inside out is that it can just be a story there doesn't have a villain
That cinnamon toast crunch thing scared the sh#t out of me..
true
EXACTLY! THEY LOOKED LIKE CRAZY LUNATICKS!!!!😲😲
YEAH NO JOKE
fuck you
IKR? I get the feeling they were trying to eat my soul as part of a balances breakfast
Matpat from Game Theory sent me, told me to let you know
Same
same
same
+00toucan Sorry film theory
+00toucan Eh might've said it on both channels
the Joy in my mind laughs maniacally especially when misfortune befalls my enemy's... I my self am a tad manic as well.
This was probably your best video yet almost on the concept alone
If anything, Joy just kind of annoyed me. I went to high school with girls like her, and it was absolutely obnoxious.
Same here,it drives me bonkers
SonicDDRFreak when I first saw this, I thought Joy was a jerk.
SonicDDRFreak i still do
SonicDDRFreak like you?
Joy is Technically Riley
I felt that Joy is a misguided aspect of Riley's own personality. and Riley is an impressionable young child who's going through the troubles of growing up and learning to understand her emotions. All children must learn that it's okay to be sad, angry, disgusted or fearful or else they won't really be free to experience joy.
I don't hate Joy, despite of her being ambitious, ignorant, greedy, addicted, and selfish, she is a true friend you can listen to, Just like Sadness. Joy and Sadness are the two powerful emotions that connects us into making new memories and solving our conflicts.
Beautifully done, team!
The problem with casting Joy as the accidental villain because of the "happiness industry" is that Riley wasn't told "you need to be happy". She was told "thank you for trying to stay positive despite our week being crappy". She internalized the idea that she needed to put on a happy facade, but it wasn't beaten into her head every other scene. At the end of the film when Riley finally let her sadness take over, she cried because she missed what in her mind was her true home, not their material possesions.
Additionally, the film was obviously a metaphor for the onset of puberty, a time in our lives when our emotions grow and become more complex. To a child, happiness is the only emotion that's worth feeling, but as her mother and father's minds demonstrate, sadness (empathy) and anger (justice) can lead the mind in cooperation with the other emotions to create stability.
Also, idk if you noticed, but the metaphor was deconstructed even more by the fucking "puberty" button.
Although, I do agree with the idea that Joy was an obsessive and selfish control freak.
am I the only one who always hated Joy?
I hate her too😡😤
i hated her to she's always so bossy 😧
ugh same when she drawed that circle I go craaaaazy mad I mean why is she so bossy
I actually think that Sadness is the villain. its actually Sadness's fault. she's the one who made Riley cry about her memories in class, which made a Sad Core Memory, and Joy didn't approve of this, since she didn't want Riley to grow up to be some crazy emotional person, and took the Core Memory into Long Term Memory, Sadness didn't understand and tried to stop Joy, they argued with the Core Memory a bit, and then they eventually got lost. "Can I say that curse word now?" -Anger :3
I think one of the main points of the movie was that pathologizing negative emotions (e.g., "some crazy emotional person") is a harmful stance to take, because it denies the reactions that we could very understandably have to our life circumstances, and deprives us of the useful functions that those emotions serve (such as prompting social support or providing us with important information about our needs).
Therapists see this in their work a lot; in many circumstances, an intense desire to avoid experiencing or expressing negative emotions can lead to behaviors (e.g., alcohol abuse, social isolation) that exacerbate the problem. Largely because we are afraid of being "some crazy emotional person." It's totally understandable to want to be happy all of the time (since it feels good), but given the way the world works, it's rarely feasible.
This was just simply wonderful!
Please recommend more books on your future videos like this, because I find it really fascinating to read after watching a good video from Wisecrack!
Joy didn't kill bing bong.
he sacrificed himself.
To help fix something that she caused
Bing Bong was doomed to die anyways, imaginary friends leave us when we lose our childish innocence. Joy's and Sadness's journey was arguably necessary for Riley to come to terms with her situation. As a privileged child with great parents, friends and neighborhood Riley has simply never had much reason to be unhappy. Joy and Sadness not being in headquarters let Riley go through her other emotions which all culminated in sadness (the last part being essential as it prevented her from sinking into depression as a self-defense mechanism from her internal pain).
Exactly
Yeah.....
He would not have needed to sacrifice himself for anything if Joy hadn't started the horrible chain of events that got them to that point.
Alternative Inside Out ending: Sadness and Joy don't make it in time, and Riley starts living out on the streets doing drugs
would scare kids for years
Great vid, made me think about things in life as well as the film
Excellent work, Wisecrack. Opened my eyes to a fascinating interpretation of a Disney flick. Wow. That's novel.
Joy is not the villain from Inside Out, Jangles the Clown is.
i fucking hated joy when I watched it
gol_d_universe
Same
gol_d_universe same
gol_d_universe you guys are dum so dum
The Bella and Luke Show why are they dumb?
SAMESAMESAMESAMESAME
Great video!!
I love your videos, and I think this one was really well done! I wasn't so crazy about the reference to having psychiatric drugs pushed on us when we don't manage to maintain unfailing facades of happiness because those drugs actually are life-changing and wholly positive for a lot of people, but this video does otherwise highlight an important message that went largely unacknowledged in this movie.
She's not the "villain", she's simply a representation of the fact that society expects us to be happy all the time, which you also touch upon. In the end of the movie (if I remember correctly), she realises that it's okay to have other emotions. She's not evil, she's just ignorant at the beginning of the movie when Riley is still young, but gets more mature as Riley grows up.
+Archê Nyx
I don't think it's evil. Ignorance is just lack of knowledge which can be fixed by knowledge and cognitive maturity. It has nothing to do with how good you are. As Riley grew up, Joy became more aware of the fact that other emotions are just as important for Riley, so she became less of a control freak, and started to be okay with involving other emotions.
+Yousif Alwatani exactly, I didn't like how they said that joy was the villain because Joy is the only going through a character ark, she starts out in one place and ends in another
Nailed it
At about 3:10 I thought about EVERY DAY. If I don't laugh or look or act haapy my classmates and teachers think there's something wrong with me. Once I even had to see a school psychiatrist because someone HIT me and I hit him back. because I didn't start laughing or just letting it be I had to see someone. I was 8 btw. That boy didn't even get punished. I just wanted to say that
OMG You don't know how many times that's happened to me so far. And I'm only in 9th grade so you can imagine.
+Emma Falconer damn that sucks,I was bullied in the 5th grade
Yeah, if someone is being a d*ckhead in school or other situations, you should be the one solving the problem in whatever way you see fit, with some limited rules (not including superficial violence), as solving the social problems of others artificially is not doing said people any favours, they will not learn from the experience to effectively manage it. A personal example being when there was a pair of people being intolerably annoying, so i kicked them on several occasions, but we, naturally, at a later date decided to stay polite, and otherwise limit contact with each other to not let it out of hand.
0:55 OMG A FIDGET SPINNER IN RILEY'S HEAD!!!! 😂😂😂
Absolutely love this! Sp profound!
One time (on my birthday) I was sad cause I hate celebrating it, but my mum and grandma were already coming so I was fine then. Then my uncle auntie cousins and siblings came over. I was crying and hid in my room. My mum came in and told me it was my birthday so I should be grateful and I was making everyone else feel miserable and that I should at least look like I'm having fun. This just made me mad because they should feel miserable, if it wasn't for them I wouldn't have been crying. I don't like my family much or socialising, celebrating my birthday and surprises. It was my worst birthday ever.
***** everyone has to the right to their own opinion but I think I shouldn't have to fake being happy just for someone (whom I don't like) so they don't feel bad.
***** Also I get what you're saying about being grateful but it would have saved them time and money not to celebrate my birthday. Plus none of my other family would have come if my grandma didn't tell them about it.
***** that's fine and stuff I'm just VERY socially awkward and HATE surprises, so when most of my family came in I was in no state to act normal. I know I was dramatic but I also know at that time I was in no way able to control my emotions.
+Neku's Headphones The way I see it, if its HER birthday, it should be up to her whether she enjoys the party or not. For what innate reason makes birthday parties a luxury to be grateful for? If she doesn't enjoy it, her family should get over it. It was their error in expecting that she would.
Social Anxiety?
Anyone wondering during the film why they couldn't just put all the memories in a recall tube?
yep
That's a pretty good question. lol
I know right!
Apparently writers said that Joy doesn't trust other people to touch the memories or something
+EclipseReaper that's exactly the case
They think Joy is a hero because she's happy and positive, but sometimes heroes can be jerks. Sadness must be the true heroes, she is like me, she is wise and nice. She knows more intelligence, but lacks a bit of common sense. Joy has common sense in making things joyful as she is. But she realizes that everything isn't all about happiness, she also realizes that empathy can be helpful as in making the sadness into happiness, that's the true nature of joyness. Seriously Joy don't be a jerk and listen to Sadness next time. Sadness was making the sadness so she can help Riley focus on new things rather th as n the old memories, that's life of this world we live in. It's how our brains work. But Joy persistently stops Sadness to create that feeling.
I like that way. I freakin hate it when I make a comment about somthing, and when it is not a happy comment, but rather a very cynical one I get hated on, that I am just a sad person who should get help. In my opinion this whole world is pretty sad, and pretty much has a huge absense of happiness, where it actually is a luxuary. I hate it when everything gets sugarcoated, and put in a light of pure happiness, when in fact you have to close your eyes from so much to see that happiness.
Don't get me wrong. I do not seek to be sad or cynical, but I just hate to lie to myself, and when things are sad or I am too I will not make it look happy so the mood does not fall apart.
actually what you _seen_ to lack is *genuine* hapiness
and that is to be expected by most even if agreed by little
Even within the logic of the film, without considering the external causes of "unhappiness " and the "happiness industry," Joy essentially wants the girl to remain emotionally stunted. I always saw the film's basic message as being, growing up brings with it much more emotional complexity and it's healthy to be sad or angry or afraid sometimes.
Very excellent analysis! I personally hate how so many people around me just can't let me feel a certain way because I simply must brush absolutely everything off and keep on going. However I'm aware that there is a need to feel things like sadness and anger. I'll completely destroy myself if I just put on a smile for everything that comes my way, I'll end up having a complete mental breakdown later on down the road.
Exactly. My Family Bitches At Me For Being Angry Or Doesn't Know How To Respond When I'm Sad, Other Than Waiting For Me To Stop Crying My Eyes Out Because They Don't Know What Else To Do Anymore..
You'll grow up and you'll get it. That shit don't fly in the world. Put on the face at work then enjoy your hobbies, family, and friends. It's not that hard.
It's not that hard until it is...
I'm sorry you feel that way man.
This video is my favorite analysis on Inside Out :)
This is one of the very few videos on TH-cam that refutes Positive Psychology, and I love it.