Your's has quickly become one of my favorite channels. I suffered from a heart attack in July 2022. Part of my "rehab" is learning to enjoy life and get back to my roots. I always find peace and the Holy Spirit on the trail.
I last truly backpacked in the mid 90s, mostly AT section hikes.....the main thing I truly loved was being free of outside media. Now as I retire and begin again it seems everyone has some device in their ears. I try to get away from everyday stimuli, not take it with me. In a world where you continually vie with the device it seems too intrusive. For me personally outside media doesnt allow my brain to rest, to commune with nature or God. I always felt that after a few days of no more stimuli than where to get water or where to sleep I was then "clear" enough to allow deeper better thoughts to surface. Thanks For your insights.
Pretty good run down of trail etiquette. One time I was hiking in the Huachuca Mountains of southern Arizona along a mountain side trail when a group of horse riders came up behind me. After a few minutes of following me the lead guy suggested I step off and let them pass. I chuckled because there wasn't a place to step off the trail: just the mountain on one side and nothing on the other. He chuckled back and said well, when you get a chance to. Soon there was a rock cropping I could get on. But, it was what he said before I stepped off that I remember most. He said, Try to get on the down side of the slope because horses get spooked when something is above them. That was what I did. There were about 5 riders and all passed with a nod and without any skittish horses. One think I might would add to your list is about hikers with dogs. If a dog is not trained to respond to verbal commands from it's owner, then that dog needs to be on a leash. It may be the friendliest dog in the world, but I don't know that. If your dog comes running up, I'm certainly not going to pet it. I'm going to defend myself. So please, control your dog.
I don't think dogs should be unleashed even with amazing recall training. There is no way to know if a dog has recall training, and people like me get a sudden rush of anxiety and fear when seeing an unleashed dog going towards our direction
@@sadcat520 I alway hike in the backcountry with my dog unleashed as do everyone I have ever seen doing 18 to 25 miles a day. My dog comes running back to me without saying a word. In my 47 years of backpacking I have never had an issue with any dog on the trail. Probably because dogs are extremely happy out on the trail. I carry a leash and when my dog comes back I do put her in the leash until people pass. Often people say don’t bother, they are dog people. That said I do respect that some people do have dog fears and I respect that. I am certainly not going to walk my dog for 20 miles a day on leash when I often only see a couple of people all day.
@@mtadams2009 dogs should be on a leash unless they are guard dogs for sheep or cattle. Your dog might be listen to you but that's not the point. I recently had a dog out of nowhere showing up behind me on a trail approx. 15 inch wide, right side a wall, left side 900ft straight down. Some people may get scared and fall to death. It is just not responsible towards other hikers
I'm a trail runner, which means I do a lot of hiking as well out there. Thank you for telling hikers to wear only one earphone. When I pass hikers on my runs, I will always say "hi or "on your left" to let them know I'm there. I always know if they're listening to music too loudly if they don't respond. Also, when hiking, don't hike in a row, hike single file. Lots of people out on an afternoon hike will walk three or four in a row on a fire road. It makes it difficult to get around them. I'm very much enjoying your channel and can't wait to catch up!
I'm a mountain biker myself and I always try to let someone on foot go by it really just seem like good old common sense ..I know it's a super power and we can't expect everyone to have super powers.
I am a mountain biker and a hiker and I always stop when I am riding and have verbal communication with the hiker. They alway tell me to go ahead and pass them. When I have hiking I always clear the trail and let the biker go by.
As a hiker, mountain biker, and horse person, I appreciate your tips. To expand a little, it actually makes sense, and is common courtesy, to make way for a mountain biker who is slogging away on a climb. It is far easier for a hiker to step off to the side, rather than insist, "Hey, bikers defer to hikers." It sucks being on a ride, tackling a technical uphill, and having a walker or hiker insist that you need to stay behind them and give them the right of way. You end up having to get off the bike and push -- just let them climb, please. If it is a multi-use trail and a mountain biker is coming fast downhill, they should announce themselves of course, and they need to stay in control. Hopefully hikers aren't on those downhill courses. But, if possible, let a biker enjoy the downhill they likely worked hard (climbing) to access. It is SO easy, in most instances, to take a simple step off the trail and let a mountain biker pass you. Why not just do it, rather than insist on a rule that ranks who has right of way? Horses -- of course! Huge safety issue. Bikers and hikers -- a little different, most of the time.
Agreed, mostly. I like the whole be an ambassador thing(same when traveling overseas). Support the locals (very important). What it all boils down to, in my humble opinion, is being respectful, not only to others but towards everything in life, and it's like you said treat people how you would like to be treated. Great video!
Thanks. I only mailed myself a few boxes for resupply. I wanted to support the local communities who were hit hard by fewer hikers on the Trail last year.
Thank you Rev! People have to be reminded about the rules, we often are a little bit wild out there in the fields. In addition to being oblivious about our faults.
One thing I have encountered when coming in to a group camping situation, or even a common picnic area, is people just staring at newcomers, no greeting, nothing. It can be very off putting. I experienced this at Red's Meadows on the JMT, and at several of the camping areas on the Chilkoot Trail. I'm sure people were just tired but even just a quick wave or something - since we'll all be sharing the space and resources, makes for a more hospitable situation.Otherwise you feel like an invader, but it isn't their personally owned space, so friendly sharing is helpful.
I'm a hobby mountain bike4.. I have a bell... ding ding.. it does so much.. it introduces me from far away, and it also prevents me from startling hikers and horses.
Excellent choice of etiquette tips. Someone already commented this, but I'll follow up on it. Whenever I'm going up hill I always let the people going down hill go. It gives me a good reason to rest. When I'm going down hill I always try to move out of the way of the uphill hikers for proper etiquette. When I'm on my bike going up hill. I really like for hikers to move out of the way. There is nothing worst than climbing up a hill on a bike and have to stop because some jerk is not moving out of the way and I lose my momentum and have to get off my bike. It's exhausting, more than hiking. I once camped by others and had my neolite air mattress and heard them saying, "that guy is so loud." I got rid of it and got a Nemo tensor.
@@TheHikingRev no mountain biker wants to run over anyone. It sucks having to do hike a bike on technical climbs just because a hiker thinks they should have right of way. Most hikers I know who don't mountain bike have NO idea how hard it is. Much easier to just step aside -- if we could ride around you, we surely would.
I always move off the trail for bikers. But, bikers can help themselves and others by attaching bike bells, especially when going downhill and at speed so that hikers have time to get out of the way.
Thank you brother! I believe you may need to be the guy that writes "The Hiker's Etiquette Handbook"! And I appreciate how you get the message across also! Blessings!
I’m a bit of a newby at 57, so still working on this,; one thing I will say is that when I am struggling on an uphill and folks far away from me step aside, as good hikers do and wait, I am so embarrassed because many of those times I’ll need to stop 1-3 times making them wait. I’ve learned to yell ahead to ask them to “come on down, I need the break anyway.” That has worked far better than embarrassment on my end and frustration on theirs.
I was just thinking about hiking etiquette today! Something that often bugs me more than music volume is phone call volume. I’m not sure why but out on trails I find people think that 1. their phone needs to be on speaker and 2. they need to shout into their phone. It’s disturbed quite a few of my hikes :(
I see you met Fish Tank giving trail magic in California! I've loved his videos and watched them several times. I've been binge watching your videos the past day or two, and I've enjoyed them very much. Thanks for taking the time to post them.
You’re welcome Gary. As long as folks like you enjoy them, then I’ll keep recording them. Fish Tank is my hero! He inspired me to hike the PCT and gave me great advice along the way.
How about leaving home the perfumes, hairsprays, and clothing washed in heavily scented laundry products? Nothing like hiking along enjoying fresh air and pine trees and suddenly getting hit with chemical fragrances from 1/4 mile off! And I so agree about the music, podcasts, etc. I want the silence of the hills. Music blasting from little speakers is worse than TP flowers to me! Thanks for your videos!
In UK, walkers (children>adults) have priority over cyclists and they in turn have priority over equestrians. All the same, courtesy and consideration trumps all that and your comments on making way for faster travellers holds true as does the need to understand the 'flappability' of some horses.
Thank you! Learned a lot! I’m a day-hiker so far and have had a few instances of someone’s loud music on Bluetooth speaker ruining the magical moments for me. Music is pretty personal-taste wise so it’s best to keep it in an earbud.
That’s a great way to start. Start off with an overnighter. Then work up to two and three nights. Then work up to a five-nighter. The longest section between Trail Towns on my PCT Hike was six days. All a Thruhike is, is several Section Hikes put together.
Excellent tips. Can't tell you the times I've seen hikers with earphones in both ears and I would just shake my head as I live in grizzly country and wondered how they would expect to hear one with those things in their ears, let along moose, elk, etc. Besides, for me going out hiking is to get away from all the racket in our daily lives. Though I can imagine after five days of seeing no one you might want to hear a human voice singing or teaching. I've never gone on that long if a hike though. The PCT sounds awesome but not sure I'll ever be able to do it. Thanks Rev for this really informative video. Shalom
@@TheHikingRev yes sir, I did take note of what you said you do with earphones. I do hope and pray you are feeling better after that heart attack and subsequent diagnosis. Dr. Berg is on TH-cam and has great videos on how to clear arteries without dangerous drugs. Will keep 🙏
What a practical and gracious list, Rev! In regards to the PCT, bikes shouldn't be on the trail in the first place. So, when encountering these inconsiderate interlopers, every fiber in my being says to hold my ground. Then I remember a defensive driving principle, 'you might be in the right, but dead'. So I get out of the way, show no emotion, and continue on my journey unscathed whilst I comfort myself with another mantra of mine 'can't fix stupid'. Re: hitching. Sometimes I don't know what to say and it makes me anxious, so I've memorized lines for various situations. For bringing up compensation for a hitch, I say this: "Would you like some gas money for your generosity?" I have chosen 'would' 'like' 'some' 'generosity' very much on purpose. Also a good idea to have a little stash of money on your person (not backpack) for times like these. GK
Great advice. I meant to clarify my statement. Bikes or motorized vehicles are not allowed on the PCT. But on the trails near my home (Palm Desert, CA) bikes are allowed and they have the right of way over hikers. Besides, I’d hate to get ran over so I just move out of the way. 😂
God bless you! Funny how most these etiquette points are linked to good common sense manners. I can see the biblical verses flowing from "don't take the best spot - leave that one for someone else". And it's nice knowing there is someone else that enjoys listening to the Bible app while hiking - amazing how the same verse can lend to a different personal interpretation based on the version you are listening to. Hope to see you on the east coast some year - we have a pretty famous trail as well :).
Very welcome my friend…thank you for sharing your experiences…learned a whole lot….like your approach to hiking…very natural and very cool…thank you friend!!!
Hi Rev, I know this is a late response to an earlier post of yours. I'm catching up with your helpful content. Thank you for passing on your experience. I really appreciate the sound advice & find it very helpful. I cherish my time on trail & always enjoy learning from others.
When your day hiking and you know you're going to be done for the day and you do not need no more bottle ice water that in your pack offer it to someone especially those on the top of a Mountain coming up it was done to me After a 14 mile Day hike I really appreciate it an I've already returned the favor and will continue to not just water it could be a snack or something else.
I learned a lot about being a better human being, thank-you Rev!...I have witnessed everything you mentioned, so it is time we go out and make a difference. Cheers!
Great video Rev! I just completed a section of the Grampians Peaks Trail here in Australia and made some new friends along the way. I agree with all of your comments.
I'd also include: don't ask personal questions. Keep questions general. Several ladies have expressed to me the don't like being asked their age, and their marital status.
Nice job. You included some things I already knew, but several things that I didn't. The only other thing I could think of was hiking with dogs (or other animals). Not everyone likes dogs, or just not interfering in their hike. I have dogs and always keep mine on a leash when hiking, and off the trail when others pass.
Hey Rev...thanks for this! Just an FYI...with the proliferation of mountain biking and multiuse trails, the proper etiquette in order of right-of-way is horses, hikers, bikers. Bikers sometimes think they have the right of way but at least in Los Angles County they are #3. Of course if you, as a hiker, can step aside, do so...but you also don't have to tolerate being run off a single track trail. Like you said...treat others like you would like to be treated.
Well done--I loved seeing bits of my "area" in the video! Great topic. My husband and I aren't thru hikers [just day hikers] but most all [except camping] pertains on our hikes. My biggest gripe is seeing toilet paper along the trail--ugh. Also, not a fan of bicyclists- we either almost get run over or get a heart attack as they don't give any warning. Since we always hike with our dog my pet peeve are hikers that allow their dogs to run ahead [ off leash] [ours is always on leash] ...we worry that some dogs may start a fight with ours. Not fun. We love "friendly" hikers. We always say "hello" when we pass them. No need for a long conversation but feel bad when someone ignores our greeting. As an avid photographer, I am mindful not to take pictures with strangers in them without asking first--so that was a good point you made. Thanks for a fun [and informative] video.
That is strange concerning the line-throughs. Yea...I meant to mention trail etiquette and dogs. I love to interact with dogs on the trail but some people don’t control their dogs which makes for uncomfortable situations. While I was doing this video, I had to catch a dog who had run off from it’s master. Echo looks like a very well-behaved dog. BTW...while I was doing this video, I met a lady on trail who had an Australian Cattle dog who looked just like Echo.
@@TheHikingRev Actually if the dog has excellent "recall" and stays close to their people, I don't get all bunched up about a dog being loose...but I do appreciate it when hikers hook up their dogs when they see people/ dogs coming their way or up ahead. I keep Echo on leash for her own safety as we hike early in the morning when it's more likely we'll encounter wildlife. Plus I never know if someone else's dog is friendly....so, having her on leash is one less thing to worry about. How fun you met a hiker and her ACD while filming your video. :)
I don't have it any longer, sadly, but I had a Sierra Club copy of "Walking Softly in the Wilderness," as well as Colin Fletcher's "The Complete Walker," which I read to smitherines!! Those were very low tech, pre wag-bag days for sure. A fine instructional vblog!
Followers hear these tidbits mixed in throughout other content; daily posts, gear reviews, rant sessions and so forth. It is very nice to have a focused video for those who are beginners and just don't know better. Thank you for doing this, long overdue. God Bless & Happy Trails😉🥾👉
I have always learned it the other way. Maybe that's why there's confusion on this etiquette. The reasoning was, downhillers get in a groove, and it's harder on the body to stop. Now I don't really know.
@@helmkaj no it’s easier to stop and get started down hill because of your momentum. The driving laws are the same if it’s a narrow road. Look it up. It’s much harder to be laboring up a steep hill and have to stop and wait and then get started again
Here is one: If you know you snore offer clean new earplugs to those around you. They will usually decline or maybe have their own. Even when they decline I leave some out for the taking. I have had fellow campers change their mind and express gratitude for the gift in the morning.
I liked this Trail Etiquette video. Great job on vlogging your PCT journey. My wife and I really enjoyed them. We are planning a PCT pilgrimage in 2025, so we are always interested when people our age tackle such an adventure. Hope you can do a video(s) on physical hurtles band the mental ones as well. How you adjusted or overcame.
I wonder if etiquette varies by state/region. In Idaho, mountain bikes yield to hikers, runners, and horses. Well they are supposed to, many do not and often all you hear is a quick "on your right" as they zoom past.
Well done in content and style. I would add one element, don’t set camp right on the trail unless it is an emergency. And emergencies and bad situations do occur. We have a real surge or folks on the trail from 2020 events and the explosion of interest in thru hiking since 2015. There is a lot of education and sharing of respect to be done.
When yielding to horses, one should always step to the lower (down hill) side of the trail. Up hill makes one look larger and could spook the horses. 200 feet off the trail is a good minimum rule of thumb for watering in the wilderness. Don't pee on the trees and plants, use rocks or dirt, the salts from your pee encourage animals to chew on the bark, hurting the tree.
My pet peeve is “shelter claimers “ ....more than once I’ve been met shortly before a shelter by someone letting me know “shelter’s taken”- usually close to road crossings but sometimes not. Spring breakers,scout groups and families with some kids.
Great video 👊🏻 I've read that hikers should stand off trail for equestrians and to stand on the down hill side if possible. Something about a fear of something jumping on them. Food for thought.
@@TheHikingRev you may like this app while hiking (verse by verse ministry). Its an in-depth Bible study of multiple books in the Bible. I love to pass this invaluable resource to people😁👍🏼.
People not giving the right away to me going uphill is one of my biggest pet peeves. I can't tell you how many times people come barreling downhill act like I'm not even there, and if I didn't step aside they literally almost ran me over.
I'm going to disagree with you on this one. Sometimes when you are coming down hill - jogging / running if it is steep - if makes a lot more sense for the uphill person, who is typically going very slow to yield. In fact, often it can be quite difficult for the person going downhill to stop. It is not universal, depends on the situation and often depends on which person can easily step off trail. But, it really does not make a lot of sense for someone coming down hill with a lot of momentum to stop for someone coming up hill who is barely moving.
What is the trail etiquette regarding paying trail angels who give you a ride in their car to and from town from the trailhead? Do you ask them if they want money or do you let them bring it up? Or is no money expected?
That’s a great question! When they were about to drop me off, I’d say, “Can I give you some money for gas?” I’d let them tell me how much because I didn’t want to offend them by giving them too little. Most of the time they would refuse to take any money. One of the things that amazed me on the Trail was “the kindness of strangers.”
You can't go wrong with the Golden Rule, courtesy and kindness but some times you just have to walk away. My wife reminds me quite often "you can't fix stupid", sometimes I think she is talking about me 🤣.
I was always taught to yield the right of way to the person who had summited the mountain, or the person coming downhill, as a sign of respect for their accomplishment.
I don’t think it’s a matter of respect or not. From all of my research and experience I’ve learned that the person going uphill has a harder time stopping and then regaining momentum than the one going down hill. Again, I believe the reason behind that “rule of etiquette” is giving preference to the other person.
@@TheHikingRev It is much easier for the person going up hill to stop. They usually have very little momentum and often, the person going down hill can be really cruising.
@@christopherhaak9824 it’s very easy to regain momentum going downhill. Going uphill our hiking pace and breathing rhythm are synced. This makes it more disruptive and more difficult to regain momentum. The Rev is correct.
Have watched a lot of videos where thru hikers document their own hikes, but you hit several points here that I haven't run across before. Really helpful. I've got my PCT permit for 2021, can't wait to get out there. Thanks for great info!
Another great video Rev, thanks. Are there any etiquette guidelines regarding how close is too close to pitch your tent to others already setup, especially if you are coming into an area with limited spots to pitch a tent?
I always tried to pitch my tent as far from others as I could. I didn’t want to keep them up with my snoring. 😂 If there wasn’t enough room, I’d go to the next campsite down the trail.
@@TheHikingRev i have been hiking 60 years. So many more people on the trails, and good for them, they have the same right as me to enjoy them. But, by George, learn the LNT principles and trail rules. Almost every example you stated has frustrated me on the trail. I, kindly try to express the rules, mostly without any acknowledgement. But, I try.
If hiking with a dog make sure to clean up after it. Also keep it under control. Not everyone likes dogs (I love them). I had someone's dog come lay down in the pool in the stream I was collecting water in turning up all the sediment. Not the dog's fault.
I recently had an encounter with a hiker while i was biking they were going uphill but i was biking down it was a pretty tough trail to pull off to the side for bikes(i even crashed into a tree on it im not hurt tho) but im wondering who wouldve had the right of way?
Your's has quickly become one of my favorite channels. I suffered from a heart attack in July 2022. Part of my "rehab" is learning to enjoy life and get back to my roots. I always find peace and the Holy Spirit on the trail.
Thank you Joey. The best rehab is to get back out there and get alone with God.
I last truly backpacked in the mid 90s, mostly AT section hikes.....the main thing I truly loved was being free of outside media. Now as I retire and begin again it seems everyone has some device in their ears. I try to get away from everyday stimuli, not take it with me. In a world where you continually vie with the device it seems too intrusive. For me personally outside media doesnt allow my brain to rest, to commune with nature or God. I always felt that after a few days of no more stimuli than where to get water or where to sleep I was then "clear" enough to allow deeper better thoughts to surface. Thanks For your insights.
So true Mark.
Pretty good run down of trail etiquette. One time I was hiking in the Huachuca Mountains of southern Arizona along a mountain side trail when a group of horse riders came up behind me. After a few minutes of following me the lead guy suggested I step off and let them pass. I chuckled because there wasn't a place to step off the trail: just the mountain on one side and nothing on the other. He chuckled back and said well, when you get a chance to. Soon there was a rock cropping I could get on. But, it was what he said before I stepped off that I remember most. He said, Try to get on the down side of the slope because horses get spooked when something is above them. That was what I did. There were about 5 riders and all passed with a nod and without any skittish horses.
One think I might would add to your list is about hikers with dogs. If a dog is not trained to respond to verbal commands from it's owner, then that dog needs to be on a leash. It may be the friendliest dog in the world, but I don't know that. If your dog comes running up, I'm certainly not going to pet it. I'm going to defend myself. So please, control your dog.
That’s a great story and great advice about dogs. I meant to mention that but it got left out of my video.
I don't think dogs should be unleashed even with amazing recall training. There is no way to know if a dog has recall training, and people like me get a sudden rush of anxiety and fear when seeing an unleashed dog going towards our direction
@@sadcat520 I alway hike in the backcountry with my dog unleashed as do everyone I have ever seen doing 18 to 25 miles a day. My dog comes running back to me without saying a word. In my 47 years of backpacking I have never had an issue with any dog on the trail. Probably because dogs are extremely happy out on the trail. I carry a leash and when my dog comes back I do put her in the leash until people pass. Often people say don’t bother, they are dog people. That said I do respect that some people do have dog fears and I respect that. I am certainly not going to walk my dog for 20 miles a day on leash when I often only see a couple of people all day.
@@mtadams2009 dogs should be on a leash unless they are guard dogs for sheep or cattle. Your dog might be listen to you but that's not the point. I recently had a dog out of nowhere showing up behind me on a trail approx. 15 inch wide, right side a wall, left side 900ft straight down. Some people may get scared and fall to death. It is just not responsible towards other hikers
I'm a trail runner, which means I do a lot of hiking as well out there. Thank you for telling hikers to wear only one earphone. When I pass hikers on my runs, I will always say "hi or "on your left" to let them know I'm there. I always know if they're listening to music too loudly if they don't respond. Also, when hiking, don't hike in a row, hike single file. Lots of people out on an afternoon hike will walk three or four in a row on a fire road. It makes it difficult to get around them. I'm very much enjoying your channel and can't wait to catch up!
Martha…you are right! It’s just called, “being considerate.” 😁
@@TheHikingRev So true!!!
👌🏼 mountain bikers are to yield to hikers and horses yet they rarely do. I find it easier to let them go by.
Better than getting ran over. 😂
I'm a mountain biker myself and I always try to let someone on foot go by it really just seem like good old common sense ..I know it's a super power and we can't expect everyone to have super powers.
I am a mountain biker and a hiker and I always stop when I am riding and have verbal communication with the hiker. They alway tell me to go ahead and pass them. When I have hiking I always clear the trail and let the biker go by.
As a hiker, mountain biker, and horse person, I appreciate your tips. To expand a little, it actually makes sense, and is common courtesy, to make way for a mountain biker who is slogging away on a climb. It is far easier for a hiker to step off to the side, rather than insist, "Hey, bikers defer to hikers." It sucks being on a ride, tackling a technical uphill, and having a walker or hiker insist that you need to stay behind them and give them the right of way. You end up having to get off the bike and push -- just let them climb, please. If it is a multi-use trail and a mountain biker is coming fast downhill, they should announce themselves of course, and they need to stay in control. Hopefully hikers aren't on those downhill courses. But, if possible, let a biker enjoy the downhill they likely worked hard (climbing) to access. It is SO easy, in most instances, to take a simple step off the trail and let a mountain biker pass you. Why not just do it, rather than insist on a rule that ranks who has right of way? Horses -- of course! Huge safety issue. Bikers and hikers -- a little different, most of the time.
Thanks Kelly. It’s basically treating people the way you’d like to be treated. “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.”
Agreed, mostly. I like the whole be an ambassador thing(same when traveling overseas). Support the locals (very important). What it all boils down to, in my humble opinion, is being respectful, not only to others but towards everything in life, and it's like you said treat people how you would like to be treated. Great video!
Thanks. I only mailed myself a few boxes for resupply. I wanted to support the local communities who were hit hard by fewer hikers on the Trail last year.
Thank you Rev! People have to be reminded about the rules, we often are a little bit wild out there in the fields. In addition to being oblivious about our faults.
So true Alex. I feel like repetition is the key to learning. Just keep repeating it and perhaps maybe it will stick for some. 👍😁❤️
One thing I have encountered when coming in to a group camping situation, or even a common picnic area, is people just staring at newcomers, no greeting, nothing. It can be very off putting. I experienced this at Red's Meadows on the JMT, and at several of the camping areas on the Chilkoot Trail. I'm sure people were just tired but even just a quick wave or something - since we'll all be sharing the space and resources, makes for a more hospitable situation.Otherwise you feel like an invader, but it isn't their personally owned space, so friendly sharing is helpful.
Agreed!
yeah, I got that at Crabtree Meadow. Weird.
I'm a hobby mountain bike4.. I have a bell... ding ding.. it does so much.. it introduces me from far away, and it also prevents me from startling hikers and horses.
I wish all mountain bikers were like you. 😁
Surprise the Golden Rule of Hiking/Life. Love it Rev!
Yes. “Do unto others…”
Excellent choice of etiquette tips. Someone already commented this, but I'll follow up on it. Whenever I'm going up hill I always let the people going down hill go. It gives me a good reason to rest. When I'm going down hill I always try to move out of the way of the uphill hikers for proper etiquette. When I'm on my bike going up hill. I really like for hikers to move out of the way. There is nothing worst than climbing up a hill on a bike and have to stop because some jerk is not moving out of the way and I lose my momentum and have to get off my bike. It's exhausting, more than hiking. I once camped by others and had my neolite air mattress and heard them saying, "that guy is so loud." I got rid of it and got a Nemo tensor.
I agree. I’d rather get out of the way of bikers than get run over. I did the same with my Neolite. I love my Nemo Tensor.
@@TheHikingRev no mountain biker wants to run over anyone. It sucks having to do hike a bike on technical climbs just because a hiker thinks they should have right of way. Most hikers I know who don't mountain bike have NO idea how hard it is. Much easier to just step aside -- if we could ride around you, we surely would.
I always move off the trail for bikers. But, bikers can help themselves and others by attaching bike bells, especially when going downhill and at speed so that hikers have time to get out of the way.
Thank you brother! I believe you may need to be the guy that writes "The Hiker's Etiquette Handbook"! And I appreciate how you get the message across also! Blessings!
Thanks Wade. But that sounds like too much work to me. I’m retired! Perhaps you can be my Ghost Writer. 😂
I’m a bit of a newby at 57, so still working on this,; one thing I will say is that when I am struggling on an uphill and folks far away from me step aside, as good hikers do and wait, I am so embarrassed because many of those times I’ll need to stop 1-3 times making them wait. I’ve learned to yell ahead to ask them to “come on down, I need the break anyway.” That has worked far better than embarrassment on my end and frustration on theirs.
That’s a good response. That’s what I say. “Come on. I need to take a break anyway.”
I was just thinking about hiking etiquette today! Something that often bugs me more than music volume is phone call volume. I’m not sure why but out on trails I find people think that 1. their phone needs to be on speaker and 2. they need to shout into their phone. It’s disturbed quite a few of my hikes :(
Most of the time I have my phone on “Airplane Mode” thus no phone calls. But yes, I feel ya!
I can add one...when camping next to a river, go downstream to wash/bath. You don't want to 'pollute' the water your fellow hikers must drink from.
That is great advice Linda.😁❤️👍
Good common sense mostly, nice job pointing these things out.
Thanks Mike. It seems that common sense is not very common.
I see you met Fish Tank giving trail magic in California! I've loved his videos and watched them several times. I've been binge watching your videos the past day or two, and I've enjoyed them very much. Thanks for taking the time to post them.
You’re welcome Gary. As long as folks like you enjoy them, then I’ll keep recording them.
Fish Tank is my hero! He inspired me to hike the PCT and gave me great advice along the way.
How about leaving home the perfumes, hairsprays, and clothing washed in heavily scented laundry products? Nothing like hiking along enjoying fresh air and pine trees and suddenly getting hit with chemical fragrances from 1/4 mile off!
And I so agree about the music, podcasts, etc. I want the silence of the hills. Music blasting from little speakers is worse than TP flowers to me!
Thanks for your videos!
You’re welcome Josephine. You are so right.
Beautiful advice. Hiking is part of the human experience. Let’s be good and kind out there.
Yes. I agree. 👍
Love your "rules" and your sense of humor.
👍. Thanks Juanita.
In UK, walkers (children>adults) have priority over cyclists and they in turn have priority over equestrians. All the same, courtesy and consideration trumps all that and your comments on making way for faster travellers holds true as does the need to understand the 'flappability' of some horses.
So true John. So true.
Great advice. Another one to consider is to avoid blinding people with your head lamp.
👍That’s why they make the “red” beam.
Thank you! Learned a lot! I’m a day-hiker so far and have had a few instances of someone’s loud music on Bluetooth speaker ruining the magical moments for me. Music is pretty personal-taste wise so it’s best to keep it in an earbud.
Thanks. We definitely need to get the word out.
I’m a new backpacker ... and by new, I mean I haven’t even done it yet (only day hikes). “Gearing” up for some overnights soon. This was great!!!
That’s a great way to start. Start off with an overnighter. Then work up to two and three nights. Then work up to a five-nighter. The longest section between Trail Towns on my PCT Hike was six days. All a Thruhike is, is several Section Hikes put together.
Awesome. Amen to that!
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Excellent tips. Can't tell you the times I've seen hikers with earphones in both ears and I would just shake my head as I live in grizzly country and wondered how they would expect to hear one with those things in their ears, let along moose, elk, etc. Besides, for me going out hiking is to get away from all the racket in our daily lives. Though I can imagine after five days of seeing no one you might want to hear a human voice singing or teaching. I've never gone on that long if a hike though. The PCT sounds awesome but not sure I'll ever be able to do it. Thanks Rev for this really informative video. Shalom
Shalom Wanda. Thanks. I cut off one of my earphones so I could hear the rattle of the snakes tail.
@@TheHikingRev yes sir, I did take note of what you said you do with earphones. I do hope and pray you are feeling better after that heart attack and subsequent diagnosis. Dr. Berg is on TH-cam and has great videos on how to clear arteries without dangerous drugs. Will keep 🙏
@@wandacraig8286 Thanks Wanda. I watch Dr. Berg religiously. (No pun intended).
What a practical and gracious list, Rev! In regards to the PCT, bikes shouldn't be on the trail in the first place. So, when encountering these inconsiderate interlopers, every fiber in my being says to hold my ground. Then I remember a defensive driving principle, 'you might be in the right, but dead'. So I get out of the way, show no emotion, and continue on my journey unscathed whilst I comfort myself with another mantra of mine 'can't fix stupid'. Re: hitching. Sometimes I don't know what to say and it makes me anxious, so I've memorized lines for various situations. For bringing up compensation for a hitch, I say this: "Would you like some gas money for your generosity?" I have chosen 'would' 'like' 'some' 'generosity' very much on purpose. Also a good idea to have a little stash of money on your person (not backpack) for times like these. GK
Great advice. I meant to clarify my statement. Bikes or motorized vehicles are not allowed on the PCT. But on the trails near my home (Palm Desert, CA) bikes are allowed and they have the right of way over hikers. Besides, I’d hate to get ran over so I just move out of the way. 😂
God bless you! Funny how most these etiquette points are linked to good common sense manners. I can see the biblical verses flowing from "don't take the best spot - leave that one for someone else". And it's nice knowing there is someone else that enjoys listening to the Bible app while hiking - amazing how the same verse can lend to a different personal interpretation based on the version you are listening to. Hope to see you on the east coast some year - we have a pretty famous trail as well :).
Thank you Stephen. I am Hiking the Pinhoti Trail in April of this year. Also the AT is on my bucket list.
Good stuff….I like what you’ve got to say…that’s awesome!!!
Thanks Glenn.
Very welcome my friend…thank you for sharing your experiences…learned a whole lot….like your approach to hiking…very natural and very cool…thank you friend!!!
Evidently you filled a gap with this one when I see the number of comments and likes. Thumbs up!
Thanks Micheal. I’m hoping it’s helpful.
Hi Rev, I know this is a late response to an earlier post of yours. I'm catching up with your helpful content. Thank you for passing on your experience. I really appreciate the sound advice & find it very helpful. I cherish my time on trail & always enjoy learning from others.
Thanks Bob. I’m so glad that it is helpful. 😁
Gr8 job! Especially like the end!
Thanks Teresa.
When your day hiking and you know you're going to be done for the day and you do not need no more bottle ice water that in your pack offer it to someone especially those on the top of a Mountain coming up it was done to me After a 14 mile Day hike I really appreciate it an I've already returned the favor and will continue to not just water it could be a snack or something else.
That’s great! “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
Great stuff Rev! If you happened to see someone doing the wrong thing like leaving litter, would you say something or perhaps just let it go?
Personally, I’d politely (non-threateningly) say something to them. “Hey, I think you lost this.” (Handing them their trash). 😁
You sir are a gentleman. I am grateful I stumbled across this pleasantry.
Thank you. We all need more pleasantry in this crazy world. And where better to find it than in nature and the backcountry.
Thanks Rev!
You’re quite welcome Tony.
Rev. You need to be at every trail head and teaching all of this..thank you for this vid I'm goin to share this a ton. Hopefully people will listen .
Thanks Matt. I hope we all listen and heed. It will make the Outdoors and our Trail experience so much more enjoyable.
Yeah it would...but these kids that are out there won't listen. They literally just don't care.
I learned a lot about being a better human being, thank-you Rev!...I have witnessed everything you mentioned, so it is time we go out and make a difference. Cheers!
Thanks Joe. Hopefully it’ll be a great year for being outdoors.
Great video! Should be required listening for anyone starting hiking, backpacking, trailrunning, etc. ❤
Thank you Bridgette. And I agree wholeheartedly with you.😁👍❤️
Great content thanks
Thanks Butch.
REV! You touch my heart Brother!
Thanks. It came from my heart.
one thing i did if i wanted to make a phone call was to walk a few minutes away from camp and then make a phone call if there was some sort of signal.
Great idea, Ben.
Thank you for sharing
You’re welcome Clyde. I hope it was helpful.
Great video Rev! I just completed a section of the Grampians Peaks Trail here in Australia and made some new friends along the way. I agree with all of your comments.
Thanks Tanya. Good for you.
I'd also include: don't ask personal questions. Keep questions general. Several ladies have expressed to me the don't like being asked their age, and their marital status.
Sounds like good advice.
Dudes are so funny. God forbid a woman be a few years "older' than you -- how awful!
Good info! Thanks.
You’re welcome Cheryl.
Nice job. You included some things I already knew, but several things that I didn't. The only other thing I could think of was hiking with dogs (or other animals). Not everyone likes dogs, or just not interfering in their hike. I have dogs and always keep mine on a leash when hiking, and off the trail when others pass.
Yea...I meant to mention that in my video but I forgot.
Hello Rev. Thanks a lot for the tips and now thanks for educate me. I just discovered your channel it’s amazing. Thank you.
You’re welcome. I hope you enjoy the entire journey.😁
Hey Rev...thanks for this! Just an FYI...with the proliferation of mountain biking and multiuse trails, the proper etiquette in order of right-of-way is horses, hikers, bikers. Bikers sometimes think they have the right of way but at least in Los Angles County they are #3. Of course if you, as a hiker, can step aside, do so...but you also don't have to tolerate being run off a single track trail. Like you said...treat others like you would like to be treated.
John...great stuff!
Well said. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Jeff.
As a thru hiker myself, this video makes me smile. Thank you.
Thank you. 😃
Well done--I loved seeing bits of my "area" in the video! Great topic. My husband and I aren't thru hikers [just day hikers] but most all [except camping] pertains on our hikes. My biggest gripe is seeing toilet paper along the trail--ugh. Also, not a fan of bicyclists- we either almost get run over or get a heart attack as they don't give any warning. Since we always hike with our dog my pet peeve are hikers that allow their dogs to run ahead [ off leash] [ours is always on leash] ...we worry that some dogs may start a fight with ours. Not fun. We love "friendly" hikers. We always say "hello" when we pass them. No need for a long conversation but feel bad when someone ignores our greeting. As an avid photographer, I am mindful not to take pictures with strangers in them without asking first--so that was a good point you made. Thanks for a fun [and informative] video.
That is strange concerning the line-throughs. Yea...I meant to mention trail etiquette and dogs. I love to interact with dogs on the trail but some people don’t control their dogs which makes for uncomfortable situations. While I was doing this video, I had to catch a dog who had run off from it’s master. Echo looks like a very well-behaved dog. BTW...while I was doing this video, I met a lady on trail who had an Australian Cattle dog who looked just like Echo.
@@TheHikingRev Actually if the dog has excellent "recall" and stays close to their people, I don't get all bunched up about a dog being loose...but I do appreciate it when hikers hook up their dogs when they see people/ dogs coming their way or up ahead. I keep Echo on leash for her own safety as we hike early in the morning when it's more likely we'll encounter wildlife. Plus I never know if someone else's dog is friendly....so, having her on leash is one less thing to worry about. How fun you met a hiker and her ACD while filming your video. :)
Excellent sage advice.
Thanks.
I don't have it any longer, sadly, but I had a Sierra Club copy of "Walking Softly in the Wilderness," as well as Colin Fletcher's "The Complete Walker," which I read to smitherines!! Those were very low tech, pre wag-bag days for sure. A fine instructional vblog!
I’ll have to check those out. Sounds interesting.
I enjoy your videos, you have a soothing voice, and you present good common sense topics. Thanks for sharing your trail wisdom.
You’re quite welcome Mark.
I love your videos Rev! You were very thorough in this one. It would be Really cool run across you on the trail someday. May God richly bless you!
Thank you. I’d love to meet you on the trail also.😁👍❤️
All good points, Rev. It's good we all be reminded from time to time. 👍
Thanks Edward. Yes. Reminders are good.
Thank you for the video. Bless you!
You’re welcome. I hope it was helpful.
Followers hear these tidbits mixed in throughout other content; daily posts, gear reviews, rant sessions and so forth. It is very nice to have a focused video for those who are beginners and just don't know better. Thank you for doing this, long overdue. God Bless & Happy Trails😉🥾👉
That’s why I did this video. I’m just paying-it-forward from things I’ve learned from other hikers.
Great job my friend, downhillers not giving us hikers going up the mountain the right away chaos my buttocks! Very well done!
Mine too. Hopefully they’ll watch my video. Thanks for your friendship.
I have always learned it the other way. Maybe that's why there's confusion on this etiquette. The reasoning was, downhillers get in a groove, and it's harder on the body to stop. Now I don't really know.
@@helmkaj no it’s easier to stop and get started down hill because of your momentum. The driving laws are the same if it’s a narrow road. Look it up. It’s much harder to be laboring up a steep hill and have to stop and wait and then get started again
@@MarmaladeOutdoors Thanks for the feedback! I did look it up on NPS site too.
Good subject to cover. Thanks
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Great Job!!
Thanks Bobby!
Here is one: If you know you snore offer clean new earplugs to those around you. They will usually decline or maybe have their own. Even when they decline I leave some out for the taking. I have had fellow campers change their mind and express gratitude for the gift in the morning.
That’s good advice.
great video
Thanks Eric. I’m glad you enjoyed it and I hope it was helpful.
I liked this Trail Etiquette video. Great job on vlogging your PCT journey. My wife and I really enjoyed them. We are planning a PCT pilgrimage in 2025, so we are always interested when people our age tackle such an adventure. Hope you can do a video(s) on physical hurtles band the mental ones as well. How you adjusted or overcame.
That’s a great subject! I’ll get working on it. Thanks.
Great idea!
Super helpful
Thanks. That makes my day!
Thanks, Rev, for that video. I am introducing my teenage grandson the ins and outs of backpacking, and this is a great list!
I am so glad you enjoyed it and I hope your grandson gets bit with the “hiking bug.” A lot of times kids think I’m either Santa Claus or Papa Smurf. 😂
Great advice. All hikers should see this vid. God bless ya brother. 👍
Thanks. I hope I’ve reminded folks how to have a more enjoyable outdoor experience.
I wonder if etiquette varies by state/region. In Idaho, mountain bikes yield to hikers, runners, and horses. Well they are supposed to, many do not and often all you hear is a quick "on your right" as they zoom past.
The only people allowed on the PCT are hikers and equestrians. But most regional parks and trails in California allow Mountain bikers as well.
Thanks Rev.
You’re welcome. 😁
Wonderful things that you have learned. Thanks for passing those things on to us!
I learned so much from my 2,653.1 mile journey on the Pacific Crest Trail. I’m just trying to “pay it forward.”
Well done in content and style. I would add one element, don’t set camp right on the trail unless it is an emergency. And emergencies and bad situations do occur. We have a real surge or folks on the trail from 2020 events and the explosion of interest in thru hiking since 2015. There is a lot of education and sharing of respect to be done.
That is the truth Rob.👍
When yielding to horses, one should always step to the lower (down hill) side of the trail. Up hill makes one look larger and could spook the horses.
200 feet off the trail is a good minimum rule of thumb for watering in the wilderness. Don't pee on the trees and plants, use rocks or dirt, the salts from your pee encourage animals to chew on the bark, hurting the tree.
Great ideas and advice Phil.
I'm so excited to see you pop up on my suggested videos. Loved meeting you in Oregon
-Angus
Likewise...it was great getting to chat.
Just found your channel. Great tips on etiquette. I appreciate your humility in sharing this information.
Thanks Anthony. I’m glad you enjoyed it.
My pet peeve is “shelter claimers “ ....more than once I’ve been met shortly before a shelter by someone letting me know “shelter’s taken”- usually close to road crossings but sometimes not. Spring breakers,scout groups and families with some kids.
I don’t know if I’d want to stay there if there were that many people. Let’m have it! 😂
Great video 👊🏻 I've read that hikers should stand off trail for equestrians and to stand on the down hill side if possible. Something about a fear of something jumping on them. Food for thought.
You’re right. I’ve heard to stay lower than the horse.
Thanx rev..
You’re welcome Arnel.
You’re an inspiration kind sir😁... I’m on board 👍🏼
Thanks Matt.
@@TheHikingRev you may like this app while hiking (verse by verse ministry). Its an in-depth Bible study of multiple books in the Bible. I love to pass this invaluable resource to people😁👍🏼.
I will check it out...thanks.
@@TheHikingRev I love to pass it on... it’s helped in my walk tremendously 😁
Great reminders for us all. Good job.
Thanks Mike.
Ty
You’re welcome.
People not giving the right away to me going uphill is one of my biggest pet peeves. I can't tell you how many times people come barreling downhill act like I'm not even there, and if I didn't step aside they literally almost ran me over.
Hopefully they’ll watch my video. 😃
I'm going to disagree with you on this one. Sometimes when you are coming down hill - jogging / running if it is steep - if makes a lot more sense for the uphill person, who is typically going very slow to yield. In fact, often it can be quite difficult for the person going downhill to stop. It is not universal, depends on the situation and often depends on which person can easily step off trail. But, it really does not make a lot of sense for someone coming down hill with a lot of momentum to stop for someone coming up hill who is barely moving.
These are really good tips. Thank you. I' m heading out for a thru hike of the AT starting 4/15/21. Very nice job.
Thanks. I started the PCT April 15. Good luck on the AT.
What is the trail etiquette regarding paying trail angels who give you a ride in their car to and from town from the trailhead? Do you ask them if they want money or do you let them bring it up? Or is no money expected?
That’s a great question! When they were about to drop me off, I’d say, “Can I give you some money for gas?” I’d let them tell me how much because I didn’t want to offend them by giving them too little. Most of the time they would refuse to take any money. One of the things that amazed me on the Trail was “the kindness of strangers.”
We got to catch up when you’re back in the Bay Area 👌🏼
Yes...this is the way!
You can't go wrong with the Golden Rule, courtesy and kindness but some times you just have to walk away. My wife reminds me quite often "you can't fix stupid", sometimes I think she is talking about me 🤣.
That’s great Robert. Your wife is a very wise woman.
I was always taught to yield the right of way to the person who had summited the mountain, or the person coming downhill, as a sign of respect for their accomplishment.
I don’t think it’s a matter of respect or not. From all of my research and experience I’ve learned that the person going uphill has a harder time stopping and then regaining momentum than the one going down hill. Again, I believe the reason behind that “rule of etiquette” is giving preference to the other person.
@@TheHikingRev It is much easier for the person going up hill to stop. They usually have very little momentum and often, the person going down hill can be really cruising.
@@christopherhaak9824 it’s very easy to regain momentum going downhill. Going uphill our hiking pace and breathing rhythm are synced. This makes it more disruptive and more difficult to regain momentum. The Rev is correct.
Wonderful advice. Thank you for posting,
Thanks Jerry.
Just discovered your channel. Very glad I did. Look forward to following you on your journeys. Blessings brother!
Thank you Joseph. I’m just “paying forward” what others have taught me and have inspired me to accomplish.
Have watched a lot of videos where thru hikers document their own hikes, but you hit several points here that I haven't run across before. Really helpful. I've got my PCT permit for 2021, can't wait to get out there. Thanks for great info!
Thanks Pat. I’m glad I could help. You’re going to have a great time on the PCT.
Good stuff, thanks Rev :)
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Excellent info, Rev! Well done
Thanks.
Another great video Rev, thanks. Are there any etiquette guidelines regarding how close is too close to pitch your tent to others already setup, especially if you are coming into an area with limited spots to pitch a tent?
I always tried to pitch my tent as far from others as I could. I didn’t want to keep them up with my snoring. 😂 If there wasn’t enough room, I’d go to the next campsite down the trail.
Thanks 😊 🙏
You’re welcome.
@@TheHikingRev i have been hiking 60 years. So many more people on the trails, and good for them, they have the same right as me to enjoy them. But, by George, learn the LNT principles and trail rules. Almost every example you stated has frustrated me on the trail. I, kindly try to express the rules, mostly without any acknowledgement. But, I try.
Sometimes I wish potential hikers had to take a test for a Hikers License like a Drivers License before they could get on the trail. 🤪
@@TheHikingRev AGREED 👍
Always give a word or sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, or even a stranger, if in a lonely place.
- Tecumseh
Tecumseh was very wise.
Hi rev!!!
Great tips thank you!
Thanks Chris. 👍
This is great! Haha that ending 😂
Thanks. You know...you gotta do whatever you can to breakup the monotony. 😜
If hiking with a dog make sure to clean up after it. Also keep it under control. Not everyone likes dogs (I love them). I had someone's dog come lay down in the pool in the stream I was collecting water in turning up all the sediment. Not the dog's fault.
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I recently had an encounter with a hiker while i was biking they were going uphill but i was biking down it was a pretty tough trail to pull off to the side for bikes(i even crashed into a tree on it im not hurt tho) but im wondering who wouldve had the right of way?
I believe the hiker has the right of way. 🤷 But it’s easier for the hiker to yield to the biker.
@@TheHikingRev thx man!