8:35 I remember being a little Mormon kid and learning about this story in church, they said that when he lost the translations, Joseph claimed "God was mad so he took away his ability to translate." I remember being like 7 and thinking...what bs
He mentioned in the video that there was some kind of lost treasure that Joseph Smith talked about. Isn't that supposed to mean the Holy grail that's allegedly buried on Oak island?
I only first heard about it in that South Park episode. And then didn't he supposedly get a different set of golden plates to translate, or some such nonsense?
I think the idea is that the Book of Mormon is written by the lost tribe of Isreal that came to the Americas and their language became "reformed Egyptian." Of course their is no other evidence of this language anywhere...
Jake I agree. It’s like if I made a shorthand for Russian, but didn’t use the Cyrillic alphabet. Then after I did this, some random guy in Moscow says that “reformed Russian” isn’t a thing
One minor correction: He put the seer stone in a hat, the plates were not in the hat, maybe not even near him. He never looked at the plates to translate. Only looked into the hat and old English text glowed in the hat. Why have the plates when he never even looked at them? This would not be called a translation. Logic says FRAUD.
@@gracchus7782 yes, but why would supposed people who lived in 600bc write in 16th century English. Joseph Smith just wanted it to sound scripture like. Lol.
You know what else there isn't credible evidence of? A fucking angel giving him a stack of golden plates that magically can't be read by anyone but him.
Telltale how do you tag someone without clicking on their name? lol anyway in case u didn't see my comment. I wanted to know if those were your drawings. Squall is badass :)
Please make more videos about the LDS church. Im exmormon, and while your JW videos entertain me, the 3 or 4 mormon videos you have up hit close to home.
Don't forget that seven of the eight witnesses shared a surname with either Joseph Smith or another witness. The potential for bias is too great to ignore. XD
When I was twelve, a Mormon friend was telling me about the plates and I remember being really impressed, until I asked him where they were kept. Even at 12, my BS detector was set off when he told me that they had disappeared.
I'm absolutely THRILLED to see you making videos about mormonism. Being someone who grew up in the religion and got out, it's about time they are called out for their shit! Their lack of evidence, and lies are only some of the reasons I left. Great video, man! Keep it up.
I live in Utah, aka, the Mormon state. There are temples everywhere, some very close to my house. My cousin came back from his mission yesterday, and I hate how just because I say my cousins are Mormon and I live in Utah, they assume I’m a Mormon and... it’s hurtful.
Seriously!! It’s even worse when 4-7 generations back are 2 prophets (Joseph F. Smith and Joseph Fielding Smith) and one of the 8 witnesses (Hyrum Smith)
*Goes on TH-cam and sees that Telltale has posted a new video* Me: Ooh! A new video! *Looks at the video more closely* Me: YES ANOTHER VIDEO ON MORMONS!! (I used to be a Mormon btw)
Yuriduck, The signatures of the wittnesses matched. I saw this on 444age youtube channel. He showed the signatures of the wittnesses. Whoever signed them...Lol, was the same person.
Great video as a former Mormon I have to deal with people like this all the time. They throw away any sense of logic when questioning the church and it infuriates me.
Telltale! Love your videos, thank you for your enlightening knowledge! I am a PIMO (physically in, mentally out) Mormon and thanks to you I see that I'm not the only one who struggles with toxic organizations ruining lives. I'd be totally thrilled if you could do more Mormon stuff in the future, I feel that the whole world could use some great education on how truly deceitful and twisted the LDS church really is, if not that's okay, just wanted to let you know there ARE indeed people who like videos on Mormons. Thank you for your contributions to truth, and I wish you a happy holiday season!
@@melodycaroline4520 the only thing I ever felt guilty for was beating off all the time lmao. I hated that guy wrenching feeling in an interview when they asked about masturbation. I always lied about it. But now I am free to nut guilt free
Okay, but can we talk about how incredibly stupid it would be to make a book out of solid gold? A very heavy, very soft, and very rare metal. The book would be a nightmare to lug around, and by the time you got done writing it, the beginning text would be completely crushed under its own weight. Not to mention how it sounds from early Americans that the natives wrote in a book made of solid gold, something few native Americans had or even cared about, but that Europeans thought they did.
"In a court of law, eye witness testimony is viewed as most reliable" In a court case, all that matters is what the Jury or, more rarely, Judge thinks. Public opinion on eye witness testimony has dropped dramatically, and so has its relevance in a court case. But u probably sort of know about that as expressed later in the video.
Just found your channel recently and I'm slowly working my way through the Mormon videos. As someone who grew up Mormon and is still in the process of disentangling themselves from the LDS Church, I find it your work wonderful and incredibly uncomfortable. So... thank you. As far as the plates, honestly I think the saddest possibility -- though, yeah, not the most likely -- is that they did exist in some form. Because like you said, the mere existence of the plates doesn't denote that they were divinely given. Instead it would probably mean there's a priceless historical artifact somewhere out there with who knows what lost history or literature inscribed on them, only they were hidden away because Smith couldn't risk someone who actually knew the language getting the chance to translate it correctly.
i grew up Mormon and i left when i was around 14, much to my moms dismay, thank you for making these videos to show how bullshit this cult is, my best friend is still deep in this and i plan on showing him these vids to help try to pull him out (btw from what i can tell, you getting all your info right on the nail head, keep it up)
Awesome stuff as always, however I feel compelled to mention you got a thing or two wrong about Mormon beliefs (nothing major) firstly, their version of the trinity has God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit as three separate entities, and it wasn't an angel who buried the plates, but a guy named Mormon, it was an angel that told him where to find it, but then again I have been taught contradictory things by different people in the church before so who really knows.
Fun additions: the plates came with "seer stones" but he didn't use them. Also, the signatures of the eight witnesses are all in Oliver Cowdery's handwriting. As another commenter said, half the time he didn't even have the plates. But most members are not told this, so they either get told by family who then explain it away, or find out online and feel betrayed.
my friend, Adarra...Adara, ok anyway shes told me that shes mormon and will be going on her mission at some point in the future. shes as crazy as i am which is why we are friends. now im (kinda sorta trying) to find more info about mormons. and now seeing that you (who i watch alot, lots of interesting content here. i like) made this. im thankful. dude. you are awesome.
Yes. Take the points of the anti-religion TH-camr from miles away. He knows more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints than any of the members do. :P
The Cello Guy he straight up does though 😂 at least more than the majority of members, as a member until 17 I think I speak from experience, they don’t tell you everything and some of it’s pretty messed up, guess god just didn’t like black people until 1978, do some critical thinking friend
i've seen the replica of the golden plates at the Temple in Salt Lake City. There is no way the amount of text in the Book of Mormon matches those plates.
they knew it was BS that is why they incorporated more and more stuff from the regular bible to try and ' tie ' it all together..next time you go there.if you do..leave a sticky note that says ' who actually buys this BS? ' and tape it to the window or w/e..LOL
TH-cam Ad algorithm sees "mormon" in title. Sticks mormon ad before video. Demonitizes 60-80% of the videos of good people trying to make a living. *slow clap*
I have a friend in the Mormon Church and I really wonder how he can believe this bullshit. I don't even know if he knows why he isn't allowed to have soda. And when I asked him why he was drinking Sprite one day at lunch, he said, "I can have soda as long as it isn't addictive." Boi, no soda means no soda period. No if, ands, or buts about it.
On mormonthink.com under the page on the word of wisdom, Jim Whitefield gives a piece of insight to the mormon position on soda. He finishes his introduction with this, " ... In later years, some years after I joined the Church, all forms of ‘cola' drinks were ‘advised' against. No specific reason was officially given. As chocolate also contains caffeine, I always thought it may be the phosphoric acid that was most harmful in cola drinks but then later, articles started to appear in Church youth magazines that referred to caffeine. I never did understand this idea, but when ‘revealed', my family and I faithfully abstained from cola drinks. The Word of Wisdom was after all, a “law of obedience” so we dutifully obeyed." This seems to correspond with my own experience in the church. Our family originally avoided any soda that included caffeine, but these days even my sister (who is currently on a mission) drinks dr. pepper, which contains caffeine, and chalks up the family ban to my father's lack of understanding. I believe that the "hot drinks" passage in the word of wisdom originally referred to tea and coffee, as explained by Joseph Smith, yet the more contemporary and outreaching interpretation into simply "caffeine" has eroded somewhat in the members' perceptions of what is and isn't banned. Especially considering that even chocolate contains caffeine, and who the hell is going to give up chocolate? The 'advisement' against anything containing caffeine was too ridiculously strict and since then, the mormons have become much more lenient, if only in regards to the drinking of soda. Or maybe some parents just use their church as a reason to keep their kids from drinking soda...because, you know, it's not exactly the healthiest drink for kids.
Until this point I didn’t really understand the Mormon’s teaching but the way you put it makes it very clear... Eerily similar to that of the JW teachings we had to deal with as children and young adults!
Correction and fun fact for you, with the 116 lost pages it was Martin Harris (same as the supposed 3 witnesses mentioned) and it was his wife Lucy that did not believe him. She asked for proof, and Joseph Smith refused Harris request to let him show his wife what they were working on a few times then finally conceded. Harris took the pages to show his wife, and she hid them and challenged her husband to have Joseph Smith reproduce them. That's when Joseph came up with his embarrassing excuse. (South Park taught this more accurately than the LDS church ever did. They tend to not go over this part in Sunday School.) Harris was the primary financier for Smith's "translation" project, which is why Lucy wanted some evidence since he was risking their home and livelihood on this religious venture. Also with the 8 witnesses mentioned, in the signed form/paper of their testimony, all of their signatures are provided in one mans handwriting. Oliver Cowdery. Another fun fact: Joseph's account of recovering the golden plates relays him being chased by would be thieves. In this account he is chased by pursuers for miles, which means he would have had to carry these plates (which would have weighed around 50 lbs by Joseph Smith's account) while outrunning, and fighting off people chasing him. Miles. To my knowledge, he wasn't built like The Rock, and there are even tall tale stories within Mormonism about how he had a bum leg when he was a boy that required surgery.
I love the "inspirational music" in the background of this guy's video... It's like, "look everyone, this must be true. We're even playing music to prove it!" Great video as always Telltale.
Ergotamine Can be found in moldy bread and in lsd which causes hallucinations. It is entirely possible that they were tripping when the angel showed up and created this religion. Never mind the possible use of magic mushrooms in religious ceremonies to enhance the experience.
@Telltale, I was a faithful Mormon for over 30 years and thoroughly studied church history before leaving the cult. You never hear much about it but many of the do called witnesses later stated they only say the gold plates with an "eye of faith!" Which means they saw it in a vision but not physically. Also remember, Joseph Smith wrote their testimony for them and then persuaded them to sign it, eventhough some of them had some problems with the pre-canned testimony. All of this is well documented if you want to go down that rabbit hole like I did!!!
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof! Iffy backed eyewitness testimony of a few people experiencing religious delusions doesn't even approach the mountain of proof required to substantiate the Book of Mormon's outlandish statements!
Telltale hey man did you draw those pictures in the video? The one of Squall is pretty awesome as are the rest. You should definitely make a sketch tutorial video. Would love to see the rest of the FF8 cast sketched out fighting or something.
Anyone else looking for his magic t-shirt? Every time he waves his hands I can't help but look at his armpit. I've been watching way too many "about the Mormons" vids.
The witness testimonies can, rather than being dismussed, be easily proven wrong. Read the section in the CES letter talking about them, it is extremely telling to the characters, situations, and psyches of all the so-called golden plate "witnesses."
I thank god my dad used to tell me stories about when he Grifted as a kid and the tricks he used to pull before getting hauled into the navy. Made me a lot more aware of this shit.
Eye witness testimony is shaky even in courts. Part of PI Training was to learn what needs to be documented, how it needs to be documented and time stamped and how it's tied with photos and video. This video does remind me I should find some of the old teachings I'm sure are floating around from the Missionaries though. Family tried so hard for years to get me to go get baptized.
just for some clarification, there is not a single piece of paper with any of the signatures of the 8 witnesses anywhere, their names and the paragraph that went with it, prosed by Joseph were merely told to Cowdery as his personal scribe to write them down for the printer. Another report is that Joseph had the Whitmer brothers on a separate occasion in their own home and coerced them into praying to see visions of the plates, after showing them an empty wooden box, (a report by Governor Ford from former LDS ) and the story is that J. Smith had them praying on their knees. But seeing how three of these of the 8 witnesses were merely members of his own family, including Joseph Smith sen, who was also a money digger, here is where I suspect that the four Whitmers were perhaps already psychologically conditioned to follow along with the other part of joseph's plan, that in collusion with the family gang, and with Hyrum Page joining in on the party...also part of the whitmer family next of kin married to a Whitmer daughter, what may have been collusion, may have come from those of his own family members, the 3, while the other brothers, (and Page) were going along with the method of feeling metal shingles through a gummy sack with tin or steel sheets, again Joseph Smith simply asking them to "spiritually" see the plates through the gummy sack. Doc and Cov 17 also points out that it "was only because they had enough faith, that they could see the plates. but this begs why would you need enough faith to see something that was physically right there in front of them? Since there is no such language as reformed Egyptian in existence anywhere, I don't believe that anyone saw plate engravings of such a language. nor could Joseph Smith merely placing with his face in his hat was able to translate anything esp at this instance looking at a mud rock, he borrowed from Willard Chase twice once in the fall of 1822, and later in 1826, the rock belong to Chase' because it came from his own well. here Joseph Smith in a personal letter thanked Willard for lending him that rock, because without it he would not have been able to find the stone box with the plates and reading stones. Which brings us to another important note, and that is where is the stone box that Joseph Smith claimed to have found now? it was not in the hill else someone would have dug it up by now, but what is sad is that no one really bothered to take a shovel and visit the hill in Manchester themselves to check out Smith's story. Surely if the plates of such importance came about from such a box, it would be a great keeps sake, and we would at least have something tangible to examine it being made famous in a museum. And doesn't anyone find it rather odd that no one even bothered to, including Joseph Smith jr. count the number leaflets this golden book had? Surely that would be the first thing I would do and jot down if I had found such an ancient artifact. but however one can see how that if these plates were merely a figment of Joseph Smith's own imagination, you cannot very well count what was never there to begin with. The conclusion is that there is a complete lack of any physical evidence about there being any such thing as anciently inscribe plates of gold, what appears thinly laid on the wavering hear say and superstitious beliefs of others, the whole affair seems manipulated by Joseph Smith and the collusion of others sympathetic to his cause... if not simply religiously coerced. Finally the whole affair rests upon a couple of printed paragraphs, post written from Joseph Smith by his own scribe to jot down 8 names for the printer to print. And what about a rock in a hat? a gimmick Joseph Smith would often use years prior to his book making saga during his treasure seeking days? became the same technique when claiming to translating what didn't exist? Sorry but all this about finding and translating a golden book simply doesn't jive with reality.
Ugh, did you have to watch the light the world video today? "We're so giving! We spend most if our tithing money on building temples! Not feeding the poor! You do it for us!" I hate seminary. Let's get through it together.
Yes!!! My teacher can't get enough of those. So loves all this super positive church videos, and then once she's done she moves on to the "negativity" of the world. The worst part is that she's the type of mormon that only watches videos on the lds site, I mean there's got to be a couple more sites you can trust. Every time we watch a video that I exactly semi enjoy (because it focuses on love, instead of god), it always ends with the stupid "Church of Jesus Christ" logo with that awful blue screen.
Good video. Minor correction though. The King James Bible is an example of Early Modern English, not Old English (which is the language in which Beowulf was originally written).
This is well times because many Mormons now think that this position is unassailable because if a recent speech one of the apostle of the LDS church gave denouncing people against the book of Mormon and attempting to put it beyond question. Very difficult topic now.
Two years ago I would've found these kinds of videos funny. I could get a laugh at how blind to reason these people are. But I'm close friends with a Mormon and the religion has done nothing but confuse her and stress her out. But because her parents threaten to disown her and it's all she's known her whole life her reasoning is clouded in these areas. She's not allowed to date her non Mormon boyfriend, she can't go out of the house most days as her parents would rather her study religious texts and of course they threaten disowning her if she has any questions. Just in short these videos sadden me and remind me of the mutual stress I feel out of empathy for her. But I keep watching them. I wish she'd watch things like this and just cut ties with the church but even I can see there's too many risks right now.
I knew only a little bit about the Mormon "Church". But thanks to you, I now understand why these people keep showing up at my house. I wonder if they knew that my late grandfather was a full Cherokee Native, if that would disgust their twisted mind's and keep them from coming back?
Notice that the Mormon apologist never went into the backgrounds and character reputations of the men involved. They were pretty wacky and gullible and known to be so by the local folk.
Of the 11 guys who "saw" these gold tablets, 5 of them are Whitmers and 3 are Smiths. I'm pretty sure they had some sort of thing happening there in those families.
Here's a couple of tidbits I read somewhere. The source of these I cannot remember, but I believe I was reading a study done on the translation of the BOM. The study aggregated hundreds of journal entries from the witnesses and Joseph's family and friends. Firstly, Joseph Smith actually wrote the witnesses' testimonies and had to do some minor butt kissing to convince a few of them to sign. Secondly, all of the witnesses were connected with Joseph either through distant family ties (blood or marriage), were friends of his, or had something to gain (I think one of them had a stake in the publishing company or something like that). I'm having trouble relocating the source of this info. It was almost two years ago that I found it. I thought you would find it interesting though. Hopefully you have better luck than I at finding more complete information.
You didn’t even mention that all of the eight witnesses were related to Joseph by either blood or marriage. And Martin Harris had mortgaged his farm to pay for the publication of the BOM before he signed the document. I was a seventh generation Mormon and it’s baffling looking at these things that I took for granted growing up from a new perspective.
I love your videos so much because your points are so much better than of those who are trying so hard to prove a false point about the real world. (totally not Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses)
YEET I’m so excited to see you covering a Mormon topic- I just (officially) left the Mormon church two days ago (although really I haven’t believed it for almost three years now, I never officially removed my name from the records cause they make leaving the religion a total bitch)
As for the story of the missing pages, there are currently no trustworthy recorded texts which describe the events in the way you described them. Could yiu give me a source? Its always possible I missed something in my research before leaving the normon church.
i found it on the mormon website. i made assumptions about why he couldn't reproduce them. they claim he couldn't translate them because god didnt give him the power or some nonsense. i claim he never had something divinely inspired in the first place
It is in the History of the church, the Journal of discourses, Mormon doctrine and the sundays school manual (church history in the fullness of times) It is also the story of why the book of Lehi is not in the Book of Mormon.
For the lost pages the excuse I grew up with was, "The man's wife had the pages and could alter them, so if it got retranslated it would be very different, and look fake." The wife was put under the bus.
My ancestors heard Martin Harris and Oliver Cowdery testify of the golden plates when they were old. Should I doubt my own ancestors and what they wrote in their life histories?
so I feel like I have to clear something up about the 116 pages. I was taught that the people who stole them decided to change the wording around. the idea was that if he retranslated that section, it would be different, and that would prove that he wasn't really translating it at all, but making it up. I'm not Mormon anymore, and I don't know how true this story is, but this is what i learned in sunday school.
Beyond local city ordinances (mostly targeting Chinese immigrants who smoked Opium, rather than taking it orally as White people tended to do), there were no drug laws in the United States at that time, yeah. The modern War on Drugs started in the 1960s and 70s.
8:35 I remember being a little Mormon kid and learning about this story in church, they said that when he lost the translations, Joseph claimed "God was mad so he took away his ability to translate." I remember being like 7 and thinking...what bs
He mentioned in the video that there was some kind of lost treasure that Joseph Smith talked about. Isn't that supposed to mean the Holy grail that's allegedly buried on Oak island?
I only first heard about it in that South Park episode. And then didn't he supposedly get a different set of golden plates to translate, or some such nonsense?
@@dx1450 Re this cult, South Park is a valid resource.
At 10, I asked where the gold plates were, and my mother said an angel took them back. How convenient.
As an Egyptian, I can confirm that "reformed Egyptian" (the supposed language of the plates) is not a language.
lol awesome
No one claims that it is a language. It may simply be a system of writing, similar to shorthand.
I think the idea is that the Book of Mormon is written by the lost tribe of Isreal that came to the Americas and their language became "reformed Egyptian." Of course their is no other evidence of this language anywhere...
Jake I agree. It’s like if I made a shorthand for Russian, but didn’t use the Cyrillic alphabet. Then after I did this, some random guy in Moscow says that “reformed Russian” isn’t a thing
but when you run "reformed Egyptian" through the rosetta matrix it makes perfect sense, Most of the passages can be found in the book of the dead
One minor correction: He put the seer stone in a hat, the plates were not in the hat, maybe not even near him. He never looked at the plates to translate. Only looked into the hat and old English text glowed in the hat. Why have the plates when he never even looked at them? This would not be called a translation. Logic says FRAUD.
very interesting. i didnt realize. it's a very crazy story
@@gracchus7782 yes, but why would supposed people who lived in 600bc write in 16th century English. Joseph Smith just wanted it to sound scripture like. Lol.
Logic. Ha ha ha!
Wasn't Smith a convicted conman? So mormons literally sell their souls to a confirmed fraud?
HA! "There is no credible evidence that he faked the plates" says the guy trying to show that the plates were real by PROCESS OF ELIMINATION.
lol right
You know what else there isn't credible evidence of? A fucking angel giving him a stack of golden plates that magically can't be read by anyone but him.
Telltale how do you tag someone without clicking on their name? lol anyway in case u didn't see my comment. I wanted to know if those were your drawings. Squall is badass :)
Telltale damn lol
Albert Nave yup
Please make more videos about the LDS church. Im exmormon, and while your JW videos entertain me, the 3 or 4 mormon videos you have up hit close to home.
i intend to. thanks for watching
Love the new drawings. You should draw yourself doing various emotions/poses and use them in videos.
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Don't forget that seven of the eight witnesses shared a surname with either Joseph Smith or another witness. The potential for bias is too great to ignore. XD
When I was twelve, a Mormon friend was telling me about the plates and I remember being really impressed, until I asked him where they were kept. Even at 12, my BS detector was set off when he told me that they had disappeared.
Anyone else miss alpha force zero????
Everyone.
Bring her back for the next video
shes in my livestream from a month or so ago
ill bring her back soon
69 likes hehehe the 12 year old in all of us is laughing right not don't lie
I'm absolutely THRILLED to see you making videos about mormonism. Being someone who grew up in the religion and got out, it's about time they are called out for their shit! Their lack of evidence, and lies are only some of the reasons I left. Great video, man! Keep it up.
Yeah! I agree!
So a snake liked to some woman about sin being sinful and then sin happened that god didn't create.
Clear as mud.
Rev JR yup and I don’t believe it
Severus Snape Didn't you kill some old grey beard though?
Rev JR yup and I regret nothing
Cherry Vanilla 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Rev JR here's what happened. I got bored, so I created conflict and sin so that I could get entertainment. So DO NOT STOP SINNING.
I live in Utah, aka, the Mormon state. There are temples everywhere, some very close to my house. My cousin came back from his mission yesterday, and I hate how just because I say my cousins are Mormon and I live in Utah, they assume I’m a Mormon and... it’s hurtful.
Serachina I feel ya
MINERALS Did you know about 80% of the Utah legislative body is Mormon. I’m only sharing that because it pisses me off having to live here
Seriously!! It’s even worse when 4-7 generations back are 2 prophets (Joseph F. Smith and Joseph Fielding Smith) and one of the 8 witnesses (Hyrum Smith)
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Oh gawd...why would you suggest Cali?! Come on over to Texas ;) more atheist friendly than you would expect!
...considering you're a non theist. Lol
Serachina well you knew i was a snake when you took me home.
*Goes on TH-cam and sees that Telltale has posted a new video*
Me: Ooh! A new video!
*Looks at the video more closely*
Me: YES ANOTHER VIDEO ON MORMONS!!
(I used to be a Mormon btw)
expect more of them
Hello fellow ex mo
I wholeheartedly agree
Fellow ex mormon here
Fellow ex mormon reporting
Ex mormon potluck anyone?
Also, several of the eight witnesses were related to Joseph Smith.
big surprise right
Yuriduck, The signatures of the wittnesses matched. I saw this on 444age youtube channel. He showed the signatures of the wittnesses. Whoever signed them...Lol, was the same person.
Peter and Andrew in the New Testament were brothers. So were James and John.
You need to get a new microphone. Yours has this strange feedback sound whenever words like "shit" or "fuck" are said.
Very odd.
BionicDance Well, it may be the censoring that he’s putting over profanities, but I may be wrong.
Ikr like f**k! S**t it's happening to me!!!!
There was 69 likes. Sorry i had to ruin it
happyrainbow sheep i unlike it. 69 AGAIN BITCH!
More petty than i am XD
Great video as a former Mormon I have to deal with people like this all the time. They throw away any sense of logic when questioning the church and it infuriates me.
disappointing to see
Telltale! Love your videos, thank you for your enlightening knowledge! I am a PIMO (physically in, mentally out) Mormon and thanks to you I see that I'm not the only one who struggles with toxic organizations ruining lives. I'd be totally thrilled if you could do more Mormon stuff in the future, I feel that the whole world could use some great education on how truly deceitful and twisted the LDS church really is, if not that's okay, just wanted to let you know there ARE indeed people who like videos on Mormons. Thank you for your contributions to truth, and I wish you a happy holiday season!
Cole Thomas I grew up Mormon until I was 14. I have so many stories about their guilt tactics
thanks. merry christmas. and stay strong
@@melodycaroline4520 the only thing I ever felt guilty for was beating off all the time lmao. I hated that guy wrenching feeling in an interview when they asked about masturbation. I always lied about it. But now I am free to nut guilt free
Dumb dumb dumb dumb (South Park reference, that episode is awesome)
They do good job of explaining it lol
Lmao, it's great
I love that episode, also.
Its a valid resource.
Oh really that was south park I had no idea tfucking idjot
Okay, but can we talk about how incredibly stupid it would be to make a book out of solid gold? A very heavy, very soft, and very rare metal. The book would be a nightmare to lug around, and by the time you got done writing it, the beginning text would be completely crushed under its own weight.
Not to mention how it sounds from early Americans that the natives wrote in a book made of solid gold, something few native Americans had or even cared about, but that Europeans thought they did.
Joseph Smith supposedly ran quite a distance carrying this 200 lb gold book. Note I said "ran"? Why do mormons believe this?
Jane Berghaus Brainwashing
You are not supposed to think to deeply into the practicalities.
Nice as always mate 😉
Maybe you could talk about the Westbro babtist church next?
Anne HH that would be awesome!!
Anne HH did you mean westburough ??? Idk I mean idk really
Flyin' high westbro is a shortening of it
King Of Cowards ok thanks
Flyin' high welcome! :)
A friend of my Mum's recently left the Mormon religion. I BE PLEASED.
"In a court of law, eye witness testimony is viewed as most reliable"
In a court case, all that matters is what the Jury or, more rarely, Judge thinks.
Public opinion on eye witness testimony has dropped dramatically, and so has its relevance in a court case.
But u probably sort of know about that as expressed later in the video.
I'm doing a project on creating my own religion complete with a book and all and watching your videos while I do it is quite fitting
ColorfulShadows this sounds like a great project
McPeeperson Smith thank you very much
ColorfulShadows I checked out your channel and I saw that you had heathers and Steven universe covers.
FRIENDSHIP!
It's so easy to start your own religion because people can so easily be conned.
A former Mormon here, absolutely love this video. Thanks so much. I would love to see more content like this.
Just found your channel recently and I'm slowly working my way through the Mormon videos. As someone who grew up Mormon and is still in the process of disentangling themselves from the LDS Church, I find it your work wonderful and incredibly uncomfortable. So... thank you.
As far as the plates, honestly I think the saddest possibility -- though, yeah, not the most likely -- is that they did exist in some form. Because like you said, the mere existence of the plates doesn't denote that they were divinely given. Instead it would probably mean there's a priceless historical artifact somewhere out there with who knows what lost history or literature inscribed on them, only they were hidden away because Smith couldn't risk someone who actually knew the language getting the chance to translate it correctly.
i grew up Mormon and i left when i was around 14, much to my moms dismay, thank you for making these videos to show how bullshit this cult is, my best friend is still deep in this and i plan on showing him these vids to help try to pull him out (btw from what i can tell, you getting all your info right on the nail head, keep it up)
good. thanks, i appreciate it. good luck
Awesome stuff as always, however I feel compelled to mention you got a thing or two wrong about Mormon beliefs (nothing major) firstly, their version of the trinity has God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit as three separate entities, and it wasn't an angel who buried the plates, but a guy named Mormon, it was an angel that told him where to find it, but then again I have been taught contradictory things by different people in the church before so who really knows.
Gotta love how TH-cam decided that this, *this* video in particular needed an advertisement about accepting religion!
Fun additions: the plates came with "seer stones" but he didn't use them. Also, the signatures of the eight witnesses are all in Oliver Cowdery's handwriting. As another commenter said, half the time he didn't even have the plates. But most members are not told this, so they either get told by family who then explain it away, or find out online and feel betrayed.
my friend, Adarra...Adara, ok anyway shes told me that shes mormon and will be going on her mission at some point in the future. shes as crazy as i am which is why we are friends. now im (kinda sorta trying) to find more info about mormons. and now seeing that you (who i watch alot, lots of interesting content here. i like) made this. im thankful. dude. you are awesome.
Yes. Take the points of the anti-religion TH-camr from miles away. He knows more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints than any of the members do. :P
The Cello Guy he straight up does though 😂 at least more than the majority of members, as a member until 17 I think I speak from experience, they don’t tell you everything and some of it’s pretty messed up, guess god just didn’t like black people until 1978, do some critical thinking friend
Joseph Smith was a well known conman before finding the plates
Southpark made such a great job on the retelling of this 😂😂😂
I have shit to do but this is more important.
Little Death unrelated, but is that your snake in your picture?
Let's be realistic, he probably just melted the plates for the gold.
Lol
Aw snap a new vid *happy dance*
i've seen the replica of the golden plates at the Temple in Salt Lake City. There is no way the amount of text in the Book of Mormon matches those plates.
they knew it was BS that is why they incorporated more and more stuff from the regular bible to try and ' tie ' it all together..next time you go there.if you do..leave a sticky note that says ' who actually buys this BS? ' and tape it to the window or w/e..LOL
Yay! Not first! Now I have the freedom to type whatever I want
The ad on this atheist video was a Christian commercial (living scriptures streaming) lol
That's a Mormon thing. Even more fitting.
TH-cam Ad algorithm sees "mormon" in title. Sticks mormon ad before video. Demonitizes 60-80% of the videos of good people trying to make a living. *slow clap*
Mormons baptizing the dead for me
I have a friend in the Mormon Church and I really wonder how he can believe this bullshit. I don't even know if he knows why he isn't allowed to have soda. And when I asked him why he was drinking Sprite one day at lunch, he said, "I can have soda as long as it isn't addictive." Boi, no soda means no soda period. No if, ands, or buts about it.
ZachPlayz that's a common misconception, we are allowed to drink soda, Dr pepper is the best
ZachPlayz that's a common misconception, we are allowed to drink soda, Dr pepper is the best
On mormonthink.com under the page on the word of wisdom, Jim Whitefield gives a piece of insight to the mormon position on soda. He finishes his introduction with this,
" ... In later years, some years after I joined the Church, all forms of ‘cola' drinks were ‘advised' against. No specific reason was officially given. As chocolate also contains caffeine, I always thought it may be the phosphoric acid that was most harmful in cola drinks but then later, articles started to appear in Church youth magazines that referred to caffeine. I never did understand this idea, but when ‘revealed', my family and I faithfully abstained from cola drinks. The Word of Wisdom was after all, a “law of obedience” so we dutifully obeyed."
This seems to correspond with my own experience in the church. Our family originally avoided any soda that included caffeine, but these days even my sister (who is currently on a mission) drinks dr. pepper, which contains caffeine, and chalks up the family ban to my father's lack of understanding. I believe that the "hot drinks" passage in the word of wisdom originally referred to tea and coffee, as explained by Joseph Smith, yet the more contemporary and outreaching interpretation into simply "caffeine" has eroded somewhat in the members' perceptions of what is and isn't banned. Especially considering that even chocolate contains caffeine, and who the hell is going to give up chocolate? The 'advisement' against anything containing caffeine was too ridiculously strict and since then, the mormons have become much more lenient, if only in regards to the drinking of soda. Or maybe some parents just use their church as a reason to keep their kids from drinking soda...because, you know, it's not exactly the healthiest drink for kids.
zachplayz, he can't have soda with caffeine. that's what he meant by addictive. Sprite and 7Up, and some others have no caffeine.
Hi I'm Mormon and I what to say that we are actually allowed to have soda even if it does have caffine. So know you know we can have soda.
I like your commentary and drawings they're good keep it up
thanks
Until this point I didn’t really understand the Mormon’s teaching but the way you put it makes it very clear... Eerily similar to that of the JW teachings we had to deal with as children and young adults!
Ps. YAY!!! New drawings! x
Correction and fun fact for you, with the 116 lost pages it was Martin Harris (same as the supposed 3 witnesses mentioned) and it was his wife Lucy that did not believe him. She asked for proof, and Joseph Smith refused Harris request to let him show his wife what they were working on a few times then finally conceded. Harris took the pages to show his wife, and she hid them and challenged her husband to have Joseph Smith reproduce them. That's when Joseph came up with his embarrassing excuse. (South Park taught this more accurately than the LDS church ever did. They tend to not go over this part in Sunday School.) Harris was the primary financier for Smith's "translation" project, which is why Lucy wanted some evidence since he was risking their home and livelihood on this religious venture.
Also with the 8 witnesses mentioned, in the signed form/paper of their testimony, all of their signatures are provided in one mans handwriting. Oliver Cowdery.
Another fun fact: Joseph's account of recovering the golden plates relays him being chased by would be thieves. In this account he is chased by pursuers for miles, which means he would have had to carry these plates (which would have weighed around 50 lbs by Joseph Smith's account) while outrunning, and fighting off people chasing him. Miles. To my knowledge, he wasn't built like The Rock, and there are even tall tale stories within Mormonism about how he had a bum leg when he was a boy that required surgery.
acronen "South Park taught this more accurately than my LDS teacher ever did"
Much like the Scientology episode, I seriously thought they were joking!
I hear ya. Religion is a strange beast when it turns South Park into an educational program.
According to Sandra Tanner, they would've weighed closer to 200 lbs. Impossible to run with at all.
I love the "inspirational music" in the background of this guy's video... It's like, "look everyone, this must be true. We're even playing music to prove it!" Great video as always Telltale.
Ergotamine
Can be found in moldy bread and in lsd which causes hallucinations. It is entirely possible that they were tripping when the angel showed up and created this religion. Never mind the possible use of magic mushrooms in religious ceremonies to enhance the experience.
This is amazing, i always look forward to your videos, keep up the good work. ☺😊
gracias
@Telltale, I was a faithful Mormon for over 30 years and thoroughly studied church history before leaving the cult.
You never hear much about it but many of the do called witnesses later stated they only say the gold plates with an "eye of faith!" Which means they saw it in a vision but not physically. Also remember, Joseph Smith wrote their testimony for them and then persuaded them to sign it, eventhough some of them had some problems with the pre-canned testimony. All of this is well documented if you want to go down that rabbit hole like I did!!!
I don't understand how that guy says things that make no sense with such confidence
Dude I love your videos. I like to keep them playing when I need background noise. And I try to watch new uploads
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof! Iffy backed eyewitness testimony of a few people experiencing religious delusions doesn't even approach the mountain of proof required to substantiate the Book of Mormon's outlandish statements!
New drawings yay!
My iPad is gold. Does that mean I found another religion?
my dick is gold..ladies...prepare to be baptized ;) LOL
with what piss? that’s sick mate
I’m obviously joking
Telltale hey man did you draw those pictures in the video? The one of Squall is pretty awesome as are the rest. You should definitely make a sketch tutorial video. Would love to see the rest of the FF8 cast sketched out fighting or something.
Anyone else looking for his magic t-shirt? Every time he waves his hands I can't help but look at his armpit. I've been watching way too many "about the Mormons" vids.
Every mormon explanation looks like a blind man called a deaf as a witness.
Dude I absolutely love your videos I am a Ex JW and your videos really helped me to determine the real truth of lies and deception.
The witness testimonies can, rather than being dismussed, be easily proven wrong. Read the section in the CES letter talking about them, it is extremely telling to the characters, situations, and psyches of all the so-called golden plate "witnesses."
Love the logical dissection...and the wonderful Picard face palm!
I thank god my dad used to tell me stories about when he Grifted as a kid and the tricks he used to pull before getting hauled into the navy. Made me a lot more aware of this shit.
Eye witness testimony is shaky even in courts. Part of PI Training was to learn what needs to be documented, how it needs to be documented and time stamped and how it's tied with photos and video. This video does remind me I should find some of the old teachings I'm sure are floating around from the Missionaries though. Family tried so hard for years to get me to go get baptized.
just for some clarification, there is not a single piece of paper with any of the signatures of the 8 witnesses anywhere, their names and the paragraph that went with it, prosed by Joseph were merely told to Cowdery as his personal scribe to write them down for the printer.
Another report is that Joseph had the Whitmer brothers on a separate occasion in their own home and coerced them into praying to see visions of the plates, after showing them an empty wooden box, (a report by Governor Ford from former LDS ) and the story is that J. Smith had them praying on their knees. But seeing how three of these of the 8 witnesses were merely members of his own family, including Joseph Smith sen, who was also a money digger, here is where I suspect that the four Whitmers were perhaps already psychologically conditioned to follow along with the other part of joseph's plan, that in collusion with the family gang, and with Hyrum Page joining in on the party...also part of the whitmer family next of kin married to a Whitmer daughter, what may have been collusion, may have come from those of his own family members, the 3, while the other brothers, (and Page) were going along with the method of feeling metal shingles through a gummy sack with tin or steel sheets, again Joseph Smith simply asking them to "spiritually" see the plates through the gummy sack. Doc and Cov 17 also points out that it "was only because they had enough faith, that they could see the plates. but this begs why would you need enough faith to see something that was physically right there in front of them?
Since there is no such language as reformed Egyptian in existence anywhere, I don't believe that anyone saw plate engravings of such a language. nor could Joseph Smith merely placing with his face in his hat was able to translate anything esp at this instance looking at a mud rock, he borrowed from Willard Chase twice once in the fall of 1822, and later in 1826, the rock belong to Chase' because it came from his own well. here Joseph Smith in a personal letter thanked Willard for lending him that rock, because without it he would not have been able to find the stone box with the plates and reading stones.
Which brings us to another important note, and that is where is the stone box that Joseph Smith claimed to have found now? it was not in the hill else someone would have dug it up by now, but what is sad is that no one really bothered to take a shovel and visit the hill in Manchester themselves to check out Smith's story. Surely if the plates of such importance came about from such a box, it would be a great keeps sake, and we would at least have something tangible to examine it being made famous in a museum.
And doesn't anyone find it rather odd that no one even bothered to, including Joseph Smith jr. count the number leaflets this golden book had? Surely that would be the first thing I would do and jot down if I had found such an ancient artifact. but however one can see how that if these plates were merely a figment of Joseph Smith's own imagination, you cannot very well count what was never there to begin with.
The conclusion is that there is a complete lack of any physical evidence about there being any such thing as anciently inscribe plates of gold, what appears thinly laid on the wavering hear say and superstitious beliefs of others, the whole affair seems manipulated by Joseph Smith and the collusion of others sympathetic to his cause... if not simply religiously coerced. Finally the whole affair rests upon a couple of printed paragraphs, post written from Joseph Smith by his own scribe to jot down 8 names for the printer to print. And what about a rock in a hat? a gimmick Joseph Smith would often use years prior to his book making saga during his treasure seeking days? became the same technique when claiming to translating what didn't exist? Sorry but all this about finding and translating a golden book simply doesn't jive with reality.
Thank you for doing some new drawings! Loved them
I died when you said "God sacrificed himself, to himself, to appease himself".
BIG SKD dose is God emo?
That dramatic table lantern next to the books?
Those books are going to STINK so bad because that is a mosquito lamp!
I have the same one on my porch.
Great video. 1. Question do u do the drawings either way they're pretty cool
Imagine watching these everyday before you go to school, that's what I have to deal with.
The mormon videos, not Telltale, that would be awesome!
Ugh, did you have to watch the light the world video today? "We're so giving! We spend most if our tithing money on building temples! Not feeding the poor! You do it for us!" I hate seminary. Let's get through it together.
Yes!!! My teacher can't get enough of those. So loves all this super positive church videos, and then once she's done she moves on to the "negativity" of the world.
The worst part is that she's the type of mormon that only watches videos on the lds site, I mean there's got to be a couple more sites you can trust. Every time we watch a video that I exactly semi enjoy (because it focuses on love, instead of god), it always ends with the stupid "Church of Jesus Christ" logo with that awful blue screen.
stay strong. itll be over soon
Thanks Telltale
Hey dude, thanks for the talk we had :)
Good video.
Minor correction though. The King James Bible is an example of Early Modern English, not Old English (which is the language in which Beowulf was originally written).
Why is there an ad about "Baptism of the dead" in the "up next" playlist
"Since when can someone die in place of a murderer so that the murderer can go free"
Only in 13 reasons why
This is well times because many Mormons now think that this position is unassailable because if a recent speech one of the apostle of the LDS church gave denouncing people against the book of Mormon and attempting to put it beyond question. Very difficult topic now.
Do you have a source for that lost pages story? I read about it on Wikipedia, but nowhere does it say it was a test by a skeptic.
Dude you're spot on and hysterical I love the "oh Jesus Christ !" In your voice
Love the way you tear apart their nonsense!! You are hilarious and your videos are amazing 😊😂
Two years ago I would've found these kinds of videos funny. I could get a laugh at how blind to reason these people are. But I'm close friends with a Mormon and the religion has done nothing but confuse her and stress her out. But because her parents threaten to disown her and it's all she's known her whole life her reasoning is clouded in these areas. She's not allowed to date her non Mormon boyfriend, she can't go out of the house most days as her parents would rather her study religious texts and of course they threaten disowning her if she has any questions. Just in short these videos sadden me and remind me of the mutual stress I feel out of empathy for her. But I keep watching them. I wish she'd watch things like this and just cut ties with the church but even I can see there's too many risks right now.
Ugh sometimes I can't stand religion -_-
Cactus I'm Methodist and this is pretty looney tunes to me.
dum dum dum dum dum
Came to the comments to find this, was not disappointed! 😂
I knew only a little bit about the Mormon "Church". But thanks to you, I now understand why these people keep showing up at my house. I wonder if they knew that my late grandfather was a full Cherokee Native, if that would disgust their twisted mind's and keep them from coming back?
Notice that the Mormon apologist never went into the backgrounds and character reputations of the men involved.
They were pretty wacky and gullible and known to be so by the local folk.
Of the 11 guys who "saw" these gold tablets, 5 of them are Whitmers and 3 are Smiths.
I'm pretty sure they had some sort of thing happening there in those families.
Here's a couple of tidbits I read somewhere. The source of these I cannot remember, but I believe I was reading a study done on the translation of the BOM. The study aggregated hundreds of journal entries from the witnesses and Joseph's family and friends.
Firstly, Joseph Smith actually wrote the witnesses' testimonies and had to do some minor butt kissing to convince a few of them to sign.
Secondly, all of the witnesses were connected with Joseph either through distant family ties (blood or marriage), were friends of his, or had something to gain (I think one of them had a stake in the publishing company or something like that).
I'm having trouble relocating the source of this info. It was almost two years ago that I found it. I thought you would find it interesting though. Hopefully you have better luck than I at finding more complete information.
You didn’t even mention that all of the eight witnesses were related to Joseph by either blood or marriage. And Martin Harris had mortgaged his farm to pay for the publication of the BOM before he signed the document.
I was a seventh generation Mormon and it’s baffling looking at these things that I took for granted growing up from a new perspective.
I got an ad and I’m actually excited
“He was not hallucinating because he ‘saw it with these eyes’.”
So… a visual hallucination?
Adding a comment to boost. Keep up the good work.
I got an ad for the Mormons before this
you can't wake them up, you need to make them wake themselves up.
Isnt it ironic that a Mormon ad played before this
I love your videos so much because your points are so much better than of those who are trying so hard to prove a false point about the real world. (totally not Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses)
lol thanks
YEET I’m so excited to see you covering a Mormon topic- I just (officially) left the Mormon church two days ago (although really I haven’t believed it for almost three years now, I never officially removed my name from the records cause they make leaving the religion a total bitch)
Brianna Belle Hello! Congrats on leaving that religion! It's hard at the beginning but soon you will find yourself feeling so much more liberated.
As for the story of the missing pages, there are currently no trustworthy recorded texts which describe the events in the way you described them. Could yiu give me a source? Its always possible I missed something in my research before leaving the normon church.
i found it on the mormon website. i made assumptions about why he couldn't reproduce them. they claim he couldn't translate them because god didnt give him the power or some nonsense. i claim he never had something divinely inspired in the first place
It is in the History of the church, the Journal of discourses, Mormon doctrine and the sundays school manual (church history in the fullness of times) It is also the story of why the book of Lehi is not in the Book of Mormon.
Awesome video
Keep up the good work
Opiates were highly used back in those days, so I wonder just how stoned they were to see those magical plates
For the lost pages the excuse I grew up with was, "The man's wife had the pages and could alter them, so if it got retranslated it would be very different, and look fake."
The wife was put under the bus.
South Park did a great job with telling the story of Joseph Smith. It’s crazy how people believe in that guy’s stories.
Jamie Flor, I couldn't agree with you more.
My ancestors heard
Martin Harris and Oliver Cowdery testify of the golden plates when they were old. Should I doubt my own ancestors and what they wrote in their life histories?
Curious why do people always write first?
so I feel like I have to clear something up about the 116 pages. I was taught that the people who stole them decided to change the wording around. the idea was that if he retranslated that section, it would be different, and that would prove that he wasn't really translating it at all, but making it up. I'm not Mormon anymore, and I don't know how true this story is, but this is what i learned in sunday school.
No evidence, just assertions. This cult fails on so many levels that it'd be funny if it didn't harm so many people.
This is waaay better than a Cheech & Chong movie 🚬😤😃 Aahhhhh...
I feel so much better now.
Come sail away, dude.
Wasn't cocaine legal in those times?
Beyond local city ordinances (mostly targeting Chinese immigrants who smoked Opium, rather than taking it orally as White people tended to do), there were no drug laws in the United States at that time, yeah.
The modern War on Drugs started in the 1960s and 70s.