What the Southern Baptist Convention said about women pastors, IVF, and sexual abuse (Livestream)
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- The Southern Baptist Convention held its annual meeting and voted on whether churches with women pastors needed to be kicked out of the club.
They also voted to condemn IVF. And, of course, they did next to nothing to deal with their own sexual abuse crisis.
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The Southern Baptists, let's not forget they were founded to keep their slaves. Enough said!
Don’t forget about that in 2022 sex abuse scandal that went nowhere
@@fefelarue2948 that too!
Pretty much
In fairness, the Republican Party was founded in _opposition_ to slavery, and look what it’s doing now.
You can get tax free status for that?
Sexism is a weak and palatable word for misogyny. "Sexism" gives men permission to pretend they are merely old-fashioned, not bigoted.
No, it is simply not caring which direction the bigotry goes.
Women are being sexist against women in this situation, along with men.
What a brain dead idiotic fucking take, here's an equally dumb one: "Xenophobia is a weak and palatable word for racism. "Xenophobia" gives Americans permission to pretend they are merely old-fashioned, not bigoted."
Problem is conservatives don't use the word misogyny so they hear it and only think "that person is a liberal", calling them sexist would have more impact with them
Or hateful
@@JohnnyHikesSW This is exactly right. I can call out misogyny with my conservative relatives if I use the word sexism. If I actually use the word misogyny, they get angry and stop listening. The connotations are totally different in the conservative circles.
And they all support Trump, which negates their morality completely.
Automatically makes them terrorists.
How they always preach about the antichrist and wolves in sheep’s clothing and fail to relate it to Trump always baffles me.
Amen
TRUMP far more moral than biden, biden became a millionaire as a public servant and trump has awards from blacks for his work with them, he and ali.
When IVF first became popular my late mother (catholic) got somewhat upset about it... she didn't mention the unused fertilized eggs..her objection was, " Those doctors are playing 'god'... After the first few times I heard her say it I replied, "Maybe your god is playing doctor "... She didn't say another word about it within my earshot, ever again..
Her characterization of Him leading up to that point makes Him look horribly possessive.
I've had that with a few of my religious relatives, but then I ask themz- Didn't you say God is in charge and he doesn't MAKE MISTAKES 🤔, he only gives you what you need . 🤐
To Hades with them. I grew up in that messed up Southern Baptist church and it's a big reason why i despise organized religion to this day.
How they expect people to believe in a religion with over four thousand conflicting interpretations is truly insane.
Yep, and that one book is all they have. Miracles in the Iron Age must've been passe? Nobody else wrote anything. 🇦🇺👍
Then you get into the second sentence.
If they try to "harmonize" four thousand conflicting opinions, it's not a religion, it's a political party. Tho there isn't much difference.
For the SBC, losing moderate churches isn't a bug; it's a feature.
Only the Old (Jack Hyles) and New (Steven Lee Anderson) Independent Fundamentalist Baptist movements thought Richard D Land's image of the Southern Baptist Convention wasn't extreme enough.
My guess is that they are not moderate. They are just slightly less conservative in one area.
IVF opposition is mostly about denying any and all of women’s choices regarding their own bodies.
I think they're more concerned about what happens to unused embryos. They consider them a "life".
Maybe if they had more women in charge they’d have less sexual abuse.
Bingo!
religion is abuse.
I would hope for this to be the case, but I feel like that alternate reality would have female abusers saying that god instructed the boy to impregnate them and be fruitful.
@@enteisb1 I did say "less".
Why would any woman choose to be a Southern Baptist?
When they are born into it, it's hard to leave.
Or just about any religion actually. Few religions are equitable to women.
They are a cult. If your born into it it can next to impossible to get out.
Childhood indoctrination. So whether it's a *choice*, is questionable.
I'm grateful I managed to get out but it's not a fun process.
Childhood indoctrination is the only reason anyone is any kind of religious
I'm SO glad I'm an atheist. It's SO much easier.
Isn’t it? Such a relief to not be a christian anymore
Hallelujah !
Easier except around the Church of Apologetica.
@@dominicfucinari1942 what is the Church of apologetica?
@@scottadkinshill2493 The branch of Christianity that "Christian Apologists" worship under, and which "Christian Apologetics" is based on. Most other sects rely on faith, but Apologeticans also believe logic proves the Christian God's existence, and have thus designated atheists as the most logically bankrupt theological declaration in existence.
When issues like IVF come up, you can certainly see the importance of keeping women out of positions of power! After all, what could women possibly know about childbirth?
ex southern baptist/atheist now here.
i graduated as a woman from a southern baptist seminary.
i can attest to the rampant misogyny and the encouragement to take wives.
i faced so much discrimination as the only woman in my program. i was excluded from a writing competition. i was treated like shit.
paige patterson was our seminary president at the time and he has faced a lot of backlash for things he's done against women too.
my supervising prof attested to encouraging women in his congregation to stay with abusive husbands.
none of this influenced me to leave the SBC however.
i eventually left bc i went uni to study for my masters and was educated for real for the first time in my life.
Years ago, before I found my previously "lost mind", I watched as my pastor's wife rolled her eyes when he said rediuculous things about what a man can do and what women must endure. That and some awful things a visiting missionary had to say about who is Christian and who isn't, I left, never looked back. Yes, we're talking Baptist.
I'm glad some people could recognize impending spiritual abuse when they hear it, but I wish more could be done to rescue children and young adults from it.
I hope that pastor’s wife is doing well
So, in the Christian bible, Paul was the one who decided that women should be silent in church and not ask questions or teach. Jesus never said any such thing and Paul never met Jesus and so did not know anything about Jesus. It's so nice to be a secular humanist.
Actually, Paul was in favor of gender equality. Later, misogynistic leaders in the church bastardized Paul’s epistles to make it seem he was misogynistic.
So who do Christian’s follow? Paul or Christ? Or do they use whatever versus support their opinions? 🧐
@@bluetickbeagles116 - In reality, they follow the anonymous authors and later anonymous editors of the various books, mixed in with a huge dollop of tradition from outside the Bible. Much of that they claim about the devil and about hell comes from tradition from over a thousand years ago.
We have no way to know for sure if a singular Jesus and a singular Paul literally existed, let alone the characters from the old testament.
@@bluetickbeagles116 Well, I would think Jesus would be the ultimate authority for Christians, wouldn't you?
call8354: You stole the very words out of my mouth. So true!!! The epistles of Paul were written to very specific congregations during the early years of the church. They are NOT the words of Christ at all!
I grew up SBC. At that time, the SBC supported abortion for certain reasons. Women were not allowed in the pulpit, but could serve in ministry in other ways. Both of my parents taught teenage boys and girls in Sunday School. That was normal. The denomination frowned on drinking alcohol and dancing, but I never heard a sermon or teaching on either of those. In the 80s they began a dramatic shift to the right. My brother, a Baptist minister, left and became an insurance agent. The rest of us left when my sister felt a call to ministry, and you can guess where that went. We're now United Methodists. My childhood in that denomination was generally wonderful and IMHO the SBC deserves whatever negative fallout comes their way.
Wallie Amos Criwsell and Richard D Land made something that was already shady into something full-on malevolent.
It definitely started well before the 80s. The reason Southern Baptists are called "Southern Baptists", split from mainstream Baptists, is that Southern Baptists wanted to keep owning slaves and used their religion to justify it during the Civil War and the rest of the Baptists said "no" to that. I bet they don't teach that bit in the SBC. It has been a regressive institution since it's inception.
"Here come the Nones, here come the Nones! "
Is it any wonder, really? SBC is the worst.
Only the Old Independent Fundamentalist Baptists, as shaped by the Mussolini-esque Jack Hyles, and the New IFB, as shaped by the more Nazi-inspired Steven Lee Anderson, are any worse.
I lived in the south for over a decade. I came away from that experience with the reality that there's no one more unchristian than a member of the Southern Baptist Church, with Church of Christ a close second.
"Why doesn't anyone like us?"
When your head is irrevocably stuck in the Middle Ages, you will never be prepared for the future.
I think you mean bronze ages
Imho, they're stuck in the early bronze age! The middle ages was louder, messier, but just as oppressive for women especially.
They aren't really. What they are stuck on is power. Christianity is declining in the US and so is their power and they are doing whatever they can to cling on to it.
Make sure they credit you when they change their slogan:
"The Southern Baptist Convention - Strategically Idiodic"
The SBC membership of 12.9 million is less than .4% of the American population and even less if you factor in that only 3.8 million members call themselves weekly church goers, but when you look at how much influence this fringe group of Americans has on public policy it's scary.
I know what you mean. On a numerical basis they're losing but it seems like they're more influential and malign about it than ever in the American governmental system.
My family and I left the southern baptist church around 2000. But I always remember that women were the Sunday school teachers for nearly ALL age groups (if not all) and a lady was always in charge of “children’s church” (where all the 12 and under children went during the main service in the sanctuary). But they were “teachers” not “pastors” and, most importantly, VOLUNTEERS (as in they did all that work for ZERO compensation). And lest I forget, the ladies tending to the babies in the nursery were also unpaid!!
When it comes to abortion, I bet they would be a okay with it if it was to get rid of a fetus that would grow up to be a queer person.
They tell themselves it's a choice that some wayward kid makes. They can not comprehend it's a part of biology.
Yep. And all they care about is the kid being born. Then they don't care if they get the things they need to survive. Or they trash the poor unwed mothers, etc etc etc
We know the horrible hypocrisy
I saw a great bumper sticker " I hope the fetus you save grows up to be a gay abortion provider!" 😂🤣💖🏳🌈🏳⚧🥰
They wouldn't be able to square that with some fundamentalists' assertions that humans are naturally born as an all-straight master orientation.
@@starpentato be fair, I think in some cases it is a “choice”. I had a 7th grade student whose mother was abused horribly by the father. When the mother finally got away, she decided to never date another man and has since become a lesbian. It’s anecdotal, so you just have to take my word for it, but that’s my experience.
I think for the most part, it’s not a choice and people are born that way. However, I think there are extenuating circumstances where it is a choice.
Couldn’t we say these Southern Baptist are a reflection of a large segment of America and are a big reason why we can’t ever seem to get beyond this ridiculous mentality that has permeated our country since its inception.
"...the only mass murder they care about." True, but ouch.
This is why separation of church and state was put in our constitution and must survive.
Yup, and it was because of the constant WAR between Christian denominations, Catholics vs Protestants especially that made our ancestors put the separation of church and state IN the Constitution in the first place, AND why many of our ancestors came here.
Not being a Christian has cleared my guilt regarding the abuse of women, children, LGBTQ, non- whites., and the poor.
"... more guns for everybody- cause they're Southern Baptists..." This made me spit out my Chardonnay.
I’m so sick of being saturated with the Christian mythology and hypocrisy!!
Read Psalm 137. Ahem.
Just wish they'd stop SCREAMING that their religious rights are so important and forgetting (conveniently for them I'm sure) that WE have rights too. Like not having them force their beliefs on us.
@@AllDogsAreGoodDogs
After reading Deuteronomy, where the raped girl is sold by her parents to her rapist for 50 pieces of silver to be tortured by him for the rest of her life, I threw my Bible in the burn barrel. So, you can stuff your verses.
I cannot express my appreciation enough for this channel!
I came up Catholic and these mfers are still wild to me. What a sad way to live life
The question of whether or not an embryo is a human being, is a religious question. If you, and your religion, believe this to be to be true, then don't use IVF. But for those that don't have those restrictions, leave them alone.
The first amendment states 'congress shall pass no laws respecting an establishment of religion'.
Well, the Seven Mountain Dominion doesn't care that some people don't have the same theology. All they see is theological enemies standing between them and their delusional ideas about what it takes to invite the Second Coming.
They are incapable of minding their own flipping business
As an ELCA Lutheran, I am appalled at the sinful actions of the SBC in voting for the Law"less" amendment and condemning IVF. They must repent.
I was catechised into Lutheranism, but now I attend an Episcopalian church. I am so happy to be outside SBC madness.
The irony of the "no true Scottsman fallacy"😂😂😂😂
@@SunnySecular Nah, these folks are Christians. Pointing out their anti-Christian actions and words is not a logical fallacy.
I grew up in the Southern Baptist Convention! I am so glad I woke up and left!
Same Here, I was at my church 3-4 days a week!!! Haven't stepped in an SBC church in 25 yrs!!
Growing up in the Atlanta suburbs, being Southern Baptist was basically the default religion. Every church didn't have a creepy youth pastor but enough did that we all knew one and we all told jokes about them. You'd think in the last 40 years, I'm talking about the early 1980's, they would have improved things not let them get worse.
I also grew up in ATL suburbs, but I was a rare in the South Catholic destined for Hell according to SBC.
@@egblund I knew exactly one family that was Catholic. Which was strange as I lived minutes away from a Trappist monastery, which if you are from Atlanta and Catholic presumably tells you exactly where I grew up.
I agree with you 💯.Politicians are really going to have to tap dance around this issue.
Thanks
This is when all the Christians will quote Separation of Church and State. They want to eat their cake and have it, too.
Correct grammar version.
"She's a witch!"
"No, she's a pastor"
"A witch pastor!"
It's always about control...
And having all the sex, all the time, with whoever they want, because "god told me ".
Just a reminder that Mary was possibly only a 12 year old when she was *forced* to conceive jesus(she was a child and children can't consent). No matter what anyone says about it, Mary was very, very young.
Well, it was easier to say that "God did it," than it was, "the rabbi at the convent school did it." They were only going to believe one of those, and it wasn't going to be "the human did it."
Friendly reminder the hymen is viewed as how to judge virginity by many
You can have sex without tearing the hymen
I did not know that.
@@scottadkinshill2493there is a red talk about the myths and the profitablity of the hymen myth.
@@cryochick9044ANAL comes to mind!
You won’t hear me say this often, but Stalin was right about his stance against Christianity.
Hemant, and that last thought, 'just don't know how this works in the long run', lol, let's hope it doesn't!👍🏻💙💙💙🥰✌🏽
They're so confused as to why membership is going down 😂
most of them have been indoctrinated since youth not to acknowledge reality (like evolution and biological science) and now this 'blindness' is catching up to them.
SBC: "nooo don't throw the baby out with the bath water"
The bath water:
Baptist pastors daughter here. What the Bible actually says is exactly what this church that got kicked out said it says- that women can and should be in leadership over other women and children but not men. (I don’t agree w that but that IS what the texts say). So it sounds like they actually were following the biblical text. Sounds like the SBC is actually less informed about the scriptures than they are.
They just literally have hurt fragile egos about the word pastor. The SBC’s position is not biblical, it’s personal & political.
My dad went to a few SBC meetings & promptly withdrew his church from their conference. Said they were ‘vipers’ and ‘not even really saved, just political’. That was in the 1990’s!
I’m not even religious myself, but respect my dad being able to & having the integrity to identify that about the SBC so long ago.
The three Abrahamic religions are extremely patriarchal at their core. This was ingrained into the religions by culture and has been reflected back into the associated cultures through the centuries. Remember that the Jewish identity, in ancient times, was delineated strictly by cultural norms. The people of the region tended to be very similar in appearance and dress. Holding on to and stressing any distinction from their neighbors was crucial for them. There were a few “outside” groups that did allow women to hold positions of authority.
In my area, western NY, Their Catholic diocese of Buffalo is having to close many churches because of a lack of priests. Yet they are persistent in not allowing women in the Catholic priesthood. I suppose they think no churches at all is better than allowing a woman to be in charge?
@@toonman361
I’m ok with them making that choice. 😉
Yeah, Catholicism clamps on pretty tight to the whole "in the house of the lord, a woman is to remain silent, slet her speak not blah blah blah..." bit.
@@toulousegoose1150
Catholicism seems to sway pretty widely between fundamentalism and liberalism over generations.
@@johnhiggs325 It does, and it greatly depends on which parish, which priest, and community culture. However, that doesn't change the fact that the dogma doesn't allow for women to become priests and hold any authority beyond the school/convent environments.
I just wanted to throw out this factoid. The first states in the US that allowed women to vote, hold elected office, own property in their own right when married and initiate divorces, were all western states that had severe shortages of women, relative to men. The men decided that it was in their own interest to encourage more women to migrate out to these states and thought that supporting women's rights would to that.
I value your perspective very much. You have an analytical mind and make really good points in your videos
Don't destroyed embryos go to Heaven? When they get their new bodies do they continue as embryos in Heaven.
Embryos actually never left Heaven - they were never able to process the ‘breath of life’ and were never a viable human being😂😂‼️
By their own logic, no, they don't.
Yes.
The clouds are made of eggy, spermy and embryonic saints.
I believe in God but do not attend any church as an adult. I enjoy this channel to stay informed, thank you 💙
Do you think maybe pedos will flock to these churches because they don't have any accountability?
Many years ago, when I was still in the thick of Southern Baptist Evangelical Christianity, I applied to be a Minister of Music at the church where my father is the pastor. I was told I would not be considered because I was female and I could not be in a position of leadership over men. I was more than qualified since I studied Music Ed in college. And I had grown up in that church. But I was automatically disqualified because I was a woman. I was heartbroken and ended up leaving that church. I left the Church altogether about 2 years ago and I'm glad I did.
When a gentleman who listened to a sermon given by Baptist minister, Reverend Ethel Ruff, he said he said to her, essentially, what a wonderful sermon! “Too bad that you are not a man!” She replied, “God made a mistake?” Rev. Ruff was the first woman ordained a minister in the Baptist General Convention (or Conference) in 1943! Before being ordained, she had served as a traveling evangelist for a number of years!
“…southern Baptist convention”
What did they do this time? 🙄
Jimmy Carter threatened to leave them over the misogyny - he always supported justice for women.
I hope women and the men who love them are paying close attention to the Republicans' and Christian nationalists' plans for them should they retake national power, because what we could lose would be extremely difficult or impossible to get back.
Vote wisely.
The book of spells says, pick your translation
NIV: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."
CEV: "They should be silent and not be allowed to teach or to tell men what to do."
NASB: "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet."
1 Timothy 2:12
Paul had problems with women.
Not taking money from rich ones.
There’s no hate like Christian love
Thanks for joining the dots for me on this one.
SBC kicked out churches just for allowing gay parishioners have their pictures taken with their partners for the church directory. They keep doubling down on their hate
I'm just curious, but how many of these "women of god" are willing to implant all these frozen gifts from god and carry them to term?
First, how are they going to get their hands on them? Are they going to buy them? Would that not count as human trafficking in their book? Are they going to adopt them? They would have to change the legal status to do that which would also open the door for child support from conception which they have already shot down. Are they going to steal them? Would that not be kidnapping? 😂
It took time but after leaving Christianity I became so much more caring toward new groups of people. Their minds are poisoned.
This isexactly why you should not ne affiliated to an "organized" religion!
I grew up Baptist. I’m so glad I’m not anymore!
I saw a documentary or podcast on SO and SBC. They knew who the SO are (recorded) but said they didn't. The same podcast/documentary talked about a girl who was SA by her father. The church told her not to her mom. A few years later, the girl was getting married as an adult and told her mom she did not want her father walking her down the aisle and about the assaults. Her mom told the police and then SBC kicked her out of the church position. The dad did go to prison
Eta it also talked about missionaries that they know are SO that they send in mission fields
Clearly, the men who served on the sexual abuse ‘task force’ either had something to hide personally, or one of their buddies does. Clear example of a cover up
It has to do with reality….women in the churches I’m familiar with do everything except preach from the pulpit. Teach Sunday school, sing in the choir, supervise family activities, clean, cook, organize, raise money, ….and almost all have at least a part time job and kids at home.
All the UNPAID work. They love women's unpaid labor.
When I worked in a medical lab, during that times several former nuns started to work there as well as one former catholic monk. Being the inquiry mind that I'm, had to ask 😳 they did in foreign conflict areas with the probably of rape. They said the did and do take birth control pill although they're given another name.The monk , also hipped us to what goes on in monastery, he informed us he help change the minds of several young women not to become nuns.
Speaking as a woman, I always feel like this push to prevent us from assuming positions either traditionally assigned to men, or considered positions of “leadership” or “power,” is born out of insecurity, at best, and fear, at worst. It just feels like the men who fight this don’t actually believe in what the Bible says about our role in anything as much as they want to be able to have some justification for saying “I can do this but you can’t!”
Which, coming from a book that pretty much was put together to define us a ownable objects, chattel, and property, is farcical to begin with.
The first successful "test tube baby" was born in 1978. It's taken the SBC took this long to take a stance. I get the feeling it's not that much of a priority
One of the weirdest things is that Southern Baptist allowed abortions in the late seventies, after Roe.
10:59. It’s as you were saying earlier. Many churches with more progressive ideals would rather keep the resources offered by the convention and fly under the radar. but removing women from many roles actively fucks up a churches ability to operate. That changes things.
The spectrum is red tinted but there’s still a spectrum of beliefs by churches affiliated with the convention especially smaller churches which are even more likely to be tight lipped about more progressive ideals in exchange for financial support.
66.6 percent?
ROTFL!
The SBC will lower the majority percentage like the GOP did when they had the House to enact their agenda.
Can American religious dogma get any worse?
Riesenberg is also the worst kind of traitor in the book, on top of what he's suspected of. If only the circumstances didn't have to get that bad before the Convention would act in all the other cases.
It's time to organize Atheist Missionaries to go out into these communities and save people from religion.
i once read that until the 1980's the SBC was pro choice, and that life starting at conception was seen as a Catholic thing....Can anyone confirm this?
Let's all remember that just because this resolution didn't pass doesn't mean "Leadership" (men) will not try to make it so. This is an alarm bell for the men here, and they can see their influence is waning. Women are problematic. How can you make rules against them when one of them might be in the room? Besides, wouldn't this be a wonderful way to show that your just following tradition? If the women in the church don't push back on this they become victims who are intertwined with their hypocritical Church. The one that preaches one thing, but does another.
so, the warlocks of sauron guild has its annual meeting. cute if your 8 years old, pathological otherwise.
If it actually was a guild meeting of a fantasy genre, it would be a fun time for all..
As it is, it's just a pathetic meeting of old, mostly white, males trying desperately to hold onto power.
I saw a picture of their meeting hall once... geezus they have a shyt ton of money and have NO ROOM to judge Catholicism for holding on to so much wealth.
If I was computer savvy, I would hack into their accounts and start making donations to different orphanages and charities. Whether or not they caught me, it would be funny as hell watching them try to take the money back, away from orphans and animal shelters when they have such ostentatious and luxurious meeting halls and various public places.
I don’t even have the video to take a good guess at what he said.
Don’t just pick on the Southern Baptists. Almost all of Christian theology is pretty demented. The few bits that are palatable are the bits shared by virtually all ideological attempts at describing good human character. On the other hand the ideas exclusive to the Abrahamic religions are a collection of the worst ideas human kind has ever come up with.
He's not "just picking on SBC."
He's reporting on one story that just happened and it relevant. This is probably the first time he's ever discussed the SBC specifically.
True but they are by far the largest fundamentalist evangelical denomination and the structure is of a strict hierarchy and is very much top down and disciplined. Plus across the South many of members are very wealthy and are big ‘givers’.
So the overall result is that as a church they have huge political influence.
The issue is in Timothy women can teach other women and young children. However what they can teach is the art of the household and expectations of the wife to the husband and men of the church. It can't be biblical however.
@@drinkwater5762, the issue is that it's misogynistic. As an ex-Christian atheist I think it's a harsh reality believers have to come to terms with. And a stupid thing to do given they're so worried about declining membership.
However, I think it's just as well...maybe this will open the eyes of some that are in denial that it's a sexist mythology. As someone who was raised going to a SBC, true indoctrination- I really believed it, it's hard to admit what you don't want to be true.
@@drinkwater5762 You are missing the point, Southern fundamentalist evangelicals believe men are superior to women and indeed that the white race (whatever that means) is superior to all other races. They also believe that ‘Gods will’ is that America is a ‘ Christian nation’ and as such a ‘bright & shining city on a hill’ for all the world to see.
So hundreds of years right up to the early 1900’s and the introduction of voting rights for women and then civil rights reforms of LBJ and then more recently the beginning of the extension of rights to LGBT+ persons, the laws and mores of the US reflected what a white male fundamentalist hegemony thought was ‘Gods will’.
Hence in the US for hundreds of years we had the following:
1) slavery of non whites was legal and in fact considered as ‘Biblical’
2) women were always legal minors and were under the ‘Headship’ of a man be he her father, grandfather, husband, adult son, uncle and a women could not have her own bank account , nor could a woman teach a male in secular education let alone in a leadership in a church.
This was all enshrined in Head & Master Laws in every state and the last remaining ‘Head & Master’ law on the books (in Louisiana) was only overturned by the Supreme Court in 1985, and in my opinion vestiges still exist such as a recently failed attempt to repeal a law in WV whereby a husband cannot be charged with sexual assault of his wife. This failed since fundamentalist Christians say that the ‘Biblical’ doctrine is clear that a wife’s body ‘belongs’ to her husband.
3) racial segregation in all aspects of life was the norm and in particular inter-racial marriage (miscegenation) and the production of ‘mongrel’ children was a felony punishable by life imprisonment.
When in 1967 the then SC overturned a VA law (in Loving vs VA) under which a mixed race married heterosexual couple had been sentenced to life imprisonments - ‘generously’ commuted to a life banishment from VA by the trial judge - who quoted the Bible throughout his ruling, such laws were still in force in 34 states.
It’s estimated that over three quarters of the thousands of lynchings of black males that took place in the US were because he was suspected (or her really was) of being in a mixed race sexual relationship. If it was a white male and s black woman then sex was tolerated as long as there was zero thought of marriage and he would probably lose his job.
4) Divorce was illegal, separation could happen but then neither partner could ever remarry.
All these laws were based on supposed immutable Biblical doctrine.
I wouldn't be shocked it being a predator was a secret precondition of employment in some SBC churches.
1 Timothy 2:15 says that women's salvation comes through childbearing. The bible repeatedly says life begins at birth. Following the bible literally would make ivf by definition a miracle. If women go to hell if they are infertile and ivf saves them, the good believers would help them. These people in these churches want innocent women who want children to be sentenced to hell for a medical problem they were likely born with before they could sin. It is an evil power trip.
Makes me feel uncomfortable because I was born IVF…
The Bible is overtly sexist from page 1. I’ll never understand how this is not obviously wrong to everyone.
I left the Catholic Church at nine after starting to read the Bible on my own, not just what I was told to read and realized that an all powerful, all knowing god would be aware that women are equal in intellectual powers & not deserving to be mere servants of men.
Does anyone else think SBC looks like the name of a bank?
So their goal was to get to 66.6? Interesting!
Curious to know if the delegates were all men. I grew up going to a SBC and some of those people were quite hateful and judgmental.
Nobody hates like the religious ❤
I’m an atheist who tries to think critically. I have a question: how does calling a living entity that is the product of a human male and a human female a ‘human being’ destroy the definition of human being?
Because legally & medically, human beings have to be born alive. Pre-birth POTENTIAL HUMANS are called embryos & fetuses...
13:20 _"..between 1 million and 1.5 million human beings are currently stored.."_
Cue the clip of Walter Masterson serving Cake to the forced birthers
No chicks are allowed in our tree house. They might want to ask why?
I was thinking cult like... Then he mentioned LDS and JWs.
Yes...the main cults.
Personally, I think it's great not allowing women to be pastors: a) it saves women wasting their time on a non-profession and b) it may help women to see through religious misogynistic flummery in general.
Ok are they g98ng to.pay for th9se embryo to be used
Would that count as human trafficking? 🤔🙄
At least the Catholic Chyrch, post - Vatican 2, gave its members more responsibility to decide how to live their lives, while adherring to the basic principles.
An example is birth control .... couples with counseling from their pastor can decide how to honor life and family planning .
My father didnt take communion for 8 years...until my youngest brother was born
Interesting fact. Most churches are owned by the synod not the members. So if they kick you out they can claim their property.
Don’t they check references? Calling previous employer (aka church) should be a no-brainer.
Can’t blame them, it’s in the Bible that woman shall not lead the church
Besides discussing religious issues what else do you talk about as an atheist? Who is your support group?
What about Mary Magdalene? Too late to silence her.