How I Use PHOTO AI With Lightroom - NOT AS A PLUGIN!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 พ.ย. 2022
- In this tutorial, I demo how I use Topaz Labs Photo AI with Lightroom. Technically, the way I use it with Lightroom is not considered to be using it as a Lightroom Plugin. My way, I keep the Raw format throughout the editing process.
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In this tutorial, I demo how I use Topaz Labs Photo AI with Lightroom. Technically, the way I use it with Lightroom is not considered to be using it as a Lightroom Plugin. My way, I keep the Raw format throughout the editing process.
You can find more info about Photo AI here:
bit.ly/3cDqa5J
Get my newsletter!
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Here is my list of recommended software:
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Here is a list of my current cameras, lenses, etc.:
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Please help support my TH-cam channel - consider purchasing my Lightroom Presets:
www.anthonymorganti.com/
Help me help others learn photography. You can quickly offer your support here, where I receive 100% of your kind gift:
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Thx, the idea. After this video I change my workflow.....
This is my preferred method. You can also batch process this way as well if you choose. I also created a keyboard shortcut (MacOS) to make it a little faster to send the files over to PhotoAI.
You can always sync the develop settings from the original raw file to the dng that Topaz Photo AI returns.
Your newsletter dated Nov. 28, 2022 is excellent. I really enjoyed the information!
G'day Anthony. Just a heads up.
I found that sending a raw file from my Canon G5xii into Photo Ai like you did in your video the result back into lightroom has a vignette and is cropped. Using a raw image from my Olympus Om1 works fine. Topaz Labs Support told me that the problem I had from my Canon camera is because Photo Ai doesn't recognise the lens profile. It's on there list to fix.
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I'll miss DeNoise AI if it totally disappears (as I think the intention is). This example of denoising and sharpening in Photo AI was very harsh to the fur (high local contrast), but I would be able to avoid that by selecting another model in DeNoise AI, e.g. Low Light. Lowering the sharpening in Photo AI doesn't quite make it.
Agree! With my setup, DeNoise is faster than Photo. When I shoot an event at ISO 6400 I usually run all the keepers thru DeNoise and it is more than good. Photo AI is slower, so when all I need is noise mitigation I think Photo is time-consuming overkill.
@@charleshaacker9568 Yes, Photo AI is still an inferior "replacement" for DeNoise AI. At this time it would be fair to expect the AI machine in Photo AI, the Auto Pilot, to be better than DeNoise AI, but most improvements have more or less been corrections of house keeping, which went bad from the beginning. I have just been reminded of a new due payment for "free" upgrades the next year, but with Photo AI not even at the level of DxO's noise reduction, I am wondering if it's worth the money to wait and wait for an improvement of the actual noise reduction quality. Photo AI produces strange artifacts along all high contrast edges, which is problem I have been writing Topaz about for years now. Further, the new masking tool is a genuine joke preventing exact masking along an edge - in critical cases this makes the masking system useless. Finally it's very hard to get a feeling of how the sliders increase or decrease the noise reduction. Even the lowest noise reduction also sharpens, so the artifacts are unavoidable.
If this sounds impatient - the reason is that I have been using Topaz' products since the beginning and Topaz has been leading until recently. Within the last year Topaz has been passed by DxO. This is an area where loyalty follows the results - so this trial and error experiment through months could be the endgame for Topaz, unless they speed up and deliver the better product - very soon.
Did a great job on a single image. Decided to batch process a recent shoot and found the resulting dng size was consistently larger (10x) than the Canon compressed craw image. Additionally the resulting DNG size for all was 190,843kb for each image as compared to an average of between 14kb to 28kb of the original raw files. Craw size for all file in batch was 4.6GB as compered to the DNG batch file size 47.5 GB When I first used LR in the past to convert raw images (either on Sony or Nikon) resulting DNG file size was usually smaller than original raw file size. Don't know if its the way Topaz does the conversion differs form Adobe. Just a word of caution if storage size is a concern.
Thanks!
Hi Anthony. Thanks for this video. Like you, I prefer to keep my raw files when editing. Can I use a virtual copy of the original to do your process, which would leave the raw file intact?
The RAW file isn’t changed whether you use a VC or not. Photo AI creates a Linear DNG file (demosaiced, RGB data) and sends it back to LrC to be auto imported in the same folder as the original RAW file. You can then process it further in LrC in the exact same way as a RAW file from your camera.
I believe this is the preferred method recommended by Topaz. I just bought Photo AI a short time ago, so I have not been using it long. But the Topaz website gave me a similar process for sending a .dng file from Lightroom. My issue is that when the file comes back into Lightroom, it lost all the information for LR's automatic Lens Correction. The prior comment from Warren Smith prompted me to reach out to Topaz. (I am also using Canon equipment - the R6 with the RF 24-105 f/4 lens.) I am waiting to hear back from Topaz support.
Thanks for the video. Very helpful. I have a question regarding the workflow. If I assume that one of the strengths of Photo AI is that it only needs to be called once from Lightroom to reduce noise, sharpen and enlarge, how would I do that with a raw image that will be cropped, since Photo AI won't recognize the crop? Would I guess how much to enlarge in Photo AI, before cropping?
You can crop afterwards in LrC.
@@colinfieldgate4719 but then I would have to call Photo AI a 2nd time to enlarge it.
@@carlkaplan1611 Indeed you would. That is why I still prefer using DxO PhotoLab and DeepPrime to remove noise. Then edit in LrC and Sharpen / enlarge if needed in Sharpen AI / GigaPixel AI.
When I do this same process, the dng image that is returned to lightroom, has the calibration changed from version 5 to version 1. I can see this not the case here. Wondering what might be the cause.
Is there a way to do this with Denoise and Sharpen AI?
Are you doing the same thing with Denoise AI? Or only with Photo Ai?
Great tutorial, when I use Topaz sharpening sometimes my birds look “crunchy”
How did you get it to save directly back to Lightroom? With my Sony .arw files it creates a .dng file but I have to synch the folder in Lightroom for it to appear.
Help. I used this method on one photo and photo ai sent the dng file back to the lightroom develope model as expected. However subsequent edits in photo ai, i can't find the dng file from topaz photo ai? Why is this? How do i locate the dng file if it doesn't appear in the develope module?
At what point the process do you convert the image to DNG?
I'm kind of confused and frustrated because I don't have Lightroom Classic. I have Lightroom CC and it doesn't accept plugins. So, I still don't understand how to use them separately. I haven't purchased Denoise AI yet because I want to know for sure how to do it before I spend the money on it. I always shoot in RAW, so do I use Denoise AI first, then send it to Lr?
I prefer to use this the way you suggest. Can I do the same thing with Denoise AI or Sharpen AI? Because, though they are added as plugins, I cannot access either plug in this way. If I go to File>Plug In Extras> the only option I see is Photo AI. How do I add either Denoise or Sharpen to that menu? I can see them in the Photo>Edit In menu, just not in the plug in extras. Help! Thank you!
Same :( found a way to fix this yet by any chance? If yes, please let me know :)
Thank you!!! I am toying with the idea of getting Photo AI. I wasn't thrilled with every image converting to Tiff that goes to Auto AI. I shoot in DNG and it looks like if i use your method my image will stay as a DNG, until I send it into Photoshop. Right?
right, but why?
@@andras_ikladi negative. A DNG is Adobe's RAW file VS the camera's RAW file.
But it will be a Linear DNG with RGB data, so about as big as a Tiff would be.
@@colinfieldgate4719 that is a big negative.
@@gosman949 Maybe. To apply noise reduction they have to demosaic the RAW data. It's just a fact.
Hi Anthony, I recently started using this method (the latest incarnation of Photo AI actually prompts you to do so) but found that when the .dng is returned to Lightroom, the file size is massively increased! My (Olympus M4/3) file went from 19.7MB to 115.5MB!
I have queried this in Topaz Labs Community but nobody seems to know why.
(I do not include the ORF raw data in the .dng file, there is no upscaling taking place and enhance resolution is turned off)
Aside from this, I have to say I think it does a superb job on the RAW file, though I typically reduce the detail and clarity default options which I think are too aggressive.
It's because it has been demosaiced by Photo AI into a Linear DNG file with RGB data. So will be roughly 3 times the size. DxO Photolab is the same.
You can still edit it afterwards in LrC just like a RAW file from your camera. White Balance and Profiles work just the same.
@@colinfieldgate4719 thank you, that would explain why it is larger - but this is nearly six times larger (sextupled?)
@@mikebywater2926 I tested an image from my R3. A DxO PhotoLab generated DNG was about 3x larger. A Topaz Photo AI generated DNG was about 5x larger. I can understand 3x due to these DNGs containing RGB data having been demosaiced. But 5x larger needs further explanation.
Can you tell me why after bringing the raw photo into topaz photo ai and making my selections and hitting save I get an error message that says..." An internal error has occurred: assertion failed!" Thank you...
Hi there!
With Panasonic RAW2 Files, it doesn’t work!
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Now my problem is that I have a .dng and a .nef in the folder...so LOTS of space being taken up. Any ideas how to solve that?
is way is actually the Topaz "Preferred" method.
So, seriously, how long do you think it is going to take Adobe to include the AI features of Topaz into LR? Wouldn't they want to grab onto some of these plugins and incorporate them into their product?
That depends. Adobe compatible plug-ins drive sales of LrC and PS. So why would Adobe spend the money incorporating these features that might not increase sales further.
Thanks!
Thank you Richard!