This session was so impressive. There is something to the body language aspect. My dog used to do this and once even did the game out of our yard and into the neighborhood. She would not come to me, but the second my husband showed up, she sat down and knew the game was over.
Its the opposite for me and my husband. My dog doesnt mind him quite as much. My husband says I have a voice I use with my girl sometimes when shes not minding thats "the dog equivelent of when your mom calls you by your full name when youre a misbehaving kid". I dont use it very often, normally I ask my dog to do things, and she does. But sometimes she finds whatever shes doing more interesting than what I need her to do, and then I bring out "annoyed mom voice" and my girl knows its time to listen.
I call that the Terminator. Just walk directly at then without any obvious shortcuts, no turning back around an obstacle. It goes from the best game they always win to an alarmed yet strangely inevitable surrender. Pointing your shoulders at them repeatedly is noticed across the board.
@@BDTraining in my defense I only have to do this now because I have kids. I know I'm a broken record on this but it's another farm thing. If you regularly use food you get charged at the gate (no bueno long term), so best practice is to approach direct. How you angle your shoulders, dangle your arms and breath totally determines if the young and frisky get reved by the approach and bolt. That's the opposite vibe from the Terminator. If you screw it up you get to do the Terminator...for so much longer than a dog would ever want to.
My 8 month old lab/pointer rescue got off his leash in a field the third day I had him so he hasn’t gotten very used to me. I just walked straight at her calling her to come. Within 5 minutes she stopped and saw I was not playing. Not yet a week with her, she has gotten used to my environment quicker than I thought. Tonight, my wife opened the door and she bolted out, I walked outside and sat on the bench called her name and come. The game was being played with her and my wife, she came right up to me when I called her name and come. A lot of behavior adjustment I have to go through as she was a kennel dog from birth and had only been with two huskies for a few weeks. I have been watching a few of your videos and will subscribe
I can speak from exp that there is a part of this where the Owners feels guilty bc they want the dog to be having a good time. Once I got over that it was day and night. My dog used to love to steal my work glove and I would chase him to get it. He loved...LOVED running away. Once I changed my approach and it was no longer fun, he all but stopped taking it. Now when he does its all about me calling for him to return it and he LOVES returning it.
My dogs bring me my shoes and socks, gardening gloves all day long because they know they will get 'something nice!' = cheese / roast beef / a chicken neck. They have never destroyed anything in the house or any of my belongings. My GSD loves it when I roll the gloves together and throw them. She will fetch them and shake them apart for the next throw lol
@@noblejennette2101 I grew up in 1970s Australia. No fences, no leads / leashes, hardly even a collar on most dogs. Table scraps were the norm and believe it or not our pet poodle slept outside all year long and lived to 15yrs of age. My mother worked waitressing at a bunch of local bistros and restaurants, and would bring home lots of leftovers, which supplemented our many pets, including mice, rabbits, chickens, cats and the dog. None were any worse off for it, nor do I recall any of them being at the vet.
Dogs, back then, were not 'trained' in the way we think of training today. We would come home fromschool to the dog waiting out on the footpath. Our neighbour's dog would be doing the same - it was a Dingo! When we ran inside to get changed out of school uniform, the dog never even tried to come inside. He knew his place was outside and those lines were never blurred like they are today. We would all jump on our bikes and the dogs would follow us to the local shops where, once again, they waited outside. Never a command was given. Amazing days! Great dogs!
@@noblejennette2101 I was mainly responding to the human food issue you raised. The remainder of my story was to show how drastically things have changed for dogs in such a short time. Why do we take dogs to vets today vs back-in-the-day? We took our dog to the vet when another dog attcked it one Saturday morning. My father actually assisted the vet as he was working alone that morning.. The only other reason to see the vet was for desexing, or the rabies / distemper shot. Most people don't see how they've been conned into the whole commercial pet food / vet visit indu$try lifestyle. You can fool all the ppl all of the time, thankfully. My grandfather raised and raced winning greyhounds on home cooked food made by my grandmother.
THANK YOU! This is the #1 issue I deal with at the no kill animal rescue I volunteer at. I was pretty much doing the right thing, but seeing you explain it gives me more confidence and thinking about how you did it will probably improve my impact on the dogs as well. I have a feeling that this is the biggest and one of the most annoying issues dog owners deal with. I think you should consider pinning this video for others to find easily.
I mean, I do use leads, but I don't like to let them run with a lead on because I'm always scared they will get it caught on something. Either way, I want to train better behavior whether on or off the leash so they become more adoptable. One of the struggles is also that you have so many different volunteers all doing things differently.@@DaveWells300
When he was a puppy, I regularly told my boy sternly "It's NOT a game!!!" coupled with a stern neutral/unimpressed (not angry) face everytime single time he ran away from me in the house or garden. I then followed up with Joel's 'Go Get Method' every single time. It works! The chase me game is no fun if you're the only one playing it. He's 2 years old now and has great recall on both voice and whistle commands. Also, I never ever played games where I chase him - I always made him chase me..... that's the game we play around here - that and hide and seek. Works perfectly for reinforcing recall if I run off in the opposite direction he will always follow me - indoors or outdoors, it has huge value to him because he wants to be with me and doesn't want to lose me. I still hide and run from him loads just to reinforce what he has learned. I also try not to repeat my commands - I will go from voice to whistle if needed but then I will either go get him or run off!
@@pretzeltwisttwist7740 maybe introduce a toy when chasing ?! I've heard contradicting thoughts about playing chase with your dog, but those who did play chase said to reverse the roles often so that it's not always the human chasing the dog. I think knowing commands is also important, you can have a command for play time, or "break" or when you let your dog loose to sniff and play and one command for when it's done and/or they have to come back and stay next to you. A toy might help them differentiate between play time and "normal" time
same with joel's recall method my boy got decent / pretty good recall , thanks to joel's recall method , now 1 thing i really wanna work on is teaching my boy to relax in the car so when i open the door he knows not to bolt out the door at the dog park or park before i put the leash on him
Oh, the "go nuts" he understood very clearly. :D Love videos like this one, and seeing the whole process and how much patience it takes to give them structure.
It reminds me of a time I was watching my neighbours' golden retriever. My neighbours were both quite old and not that mobile, so when they got a new pup they never really had the strength or energy to discipline her. Fast forward two years, and I had an incredibly sweet but totally disobedient dog bouncing around in my yard. She got hold of something she shouldn't and I tried to take it away, but she turned it into a game of "come chase me". Of course there was no way I could catch her, but it wasn't a very big yard so instead I just steadily followed and cornered her. It took a solid 15 minutes to wear her down, but eventually I got the outcome I wanted. During the whole time she looked incredibly confused, I think it was the first time she ever experienced a human not just letting her do whatever she wanted.
In my experience, a long leash is a great way to start with recall/getting rid of the game. Get a long enough long leash, like a few meters and just let it drag behind your dog. Then call him. The moment he ignores you or tries to run away, stand on the line. You have to be quick but it's a great way for DIRECT feedback to the dog. Do it enough times so he gets it. Then you can start with longer distances and go back to the long leash if that doesn't work. It has helped me a lot. Maybe this will help people here.
Same train, if the dog refuses to listen and we're still out the rest of the walk will be on a tight leash, he got it after a few days and with positive reinforcement was always wanting to see the body harness leash for a good walk.
I bought a 70 ft. 3/8" think orange rope at Home Depot. Attached a proper clip so it was more cost effective than buying item called " lines' "lunge ropes" I probably saved $100.00
@ZaBuZaMoMoChi86 No, that is way too much government. However, I agree that every country needs knowledgeable people training pet owners how to teach their animals correctly. I just don't want it going through the government!
@@JayMaverick in First world countries pets have state owned free (or with mitigated prices) health care. Public welfare is s symptom of civilization but I understand that in the US there's a complete lack of political and economical culture that leads to mere slogans, propaganda and shallow rhetorics when it comes to political and economical matters.
Bro, you have been integral in transforming my lunatic Aussie puppy. She's 5 months old and is more obedient and confident than every dog I meet. People just don't put effort into learning and training their animals. Thanks so much!
jericho i agree , with you cause my dog's trigger set off is any time somebody is on my propperty that he dont know then in his mind *Translates to intruder alert intruder alert kevin: this is my house i must protect it* if its somebody he does know and has been exsposed to such as my family then he remains calm and get excited to see my brother and sister in law or friends of ours and their black labrador* otherwise anybody outside of our pack he sees as a threat to his house and me
I really loved how you caught him the first time, firmly but not painful. Until very recently we lived in a house right next to the woods and every person who came to walk their dog thought it was a good idea to let them "say hi to their friend" aka our guard dog through the fence. It was impossible to have a dog who didn't bark because they were doing their job and many people would linger and (un)knowingly taunted our dogs in place of ignoring them and walking on. I tried to work with our current big dog on toning the barking down as it was really loud and constant, but it's complicated when all the family members are not on the same length. When our big dog barked excessively I would call him to me and reward his coming to me, but my brother said I was rewarding the barking. Another time, our dog was barking excessively again and my brother called him, the dog stopped barking and came to my brother who hit him "for barking". From that day on, my brother could not call that dog to come to him and if he went after the dog it would walk away and stay a good distance away from my brother. Dogs aren't stupid, but they're also not all-knowing, so people have to be careful and thoughtful about reward and punishment (I don't condone hitting, whether it be an animal or a person). I am always baffled when people don't understand that when a dog stops what it is doing and comes to you when called, that means the dog is listening to you and that is what you are rewarding, not the thing they were doing before you called them 🤦🏽♀️
And THAT'S the BIG problem - not all family/people following your instructions (being on the 'same wavelength) To me, especially when you know that what you're asking is best practice, it upsets me greatly. ( and in my case, I have a wonderful GSD yr old now who my adult sons would come in and "get really excited" so NOW I am working on getting my friendly dog to stop jumping and nipping other people - everywhere. What a nightmare! And all because I told them to 'come in the house quietly and calmly" and they disrespected ONE request.) Sorry about your sweetheart - YOU ARE CORRECT!!!!!!!!!
I've always used a stern voice and intense body language for "no"s. It works, because i inturrupt the behaviour with the "NO", then i soften up and call them over and reward the obedience. My last dog was a choco lab stray we picked up from under the local old folks home. In 25 days he learned his name, to stay, come, leave it even if i wasn't there, and also fetch. It actually came easily imo bc that dog was smart as heck, but dogs also want to please you and be part of the pack. You get far more response from rewarding a good thing than punishing a bad thing. Only thing i have trouble with so far is a friends dog has a bad habit of jumping on people. You can tell her to stop by telling her to go to bed (that's their households "no") but it only stops that behaviour for the person who said that. She continues this behaviour with other people instead. This is tricky, because she doesn't seem to understand why she's getting told no and i've yet to figure out how to bridge that connection.
@@oceanbytez847 I have the same problem with our small dog, a Shih Tzu we sort of inherited when my uncle passed away three years ago. I have always been strict about dogs not jumping on people, but my family found it cute in the beginning. It's the typical "no way" for big dogs but "aw he's so cute" for small dogs. When children are around it's actually the small dog you have to be more careful of, which took some time for my parents to realise. So of course now they see the jumping as an unwanted behaviour, not just for children but for everyone, but it's difficult to implement the rule since he's been given so much leeway in the beginning 🤦🏽♀️
@@truecynic1270 it is very annoying when people do not respect the rules of interaction you've set up with your animals. Not the same thing, but I just remembered an event some weeks ago where we had family members over for dinner, my 18 year old cat came out to eat some kibble and one family member kept asking if she lets people hold her. I told him no, that we go to her to pet her and she doesn't come to us, especially now that she's older and doesn't jump anymore, but he kept asking if he could hold her and then if I could pick her up and put her on his lap. I just said no, but internally I was getting annoyed at his insistence. My cat is 18 years old, was eating her food, is not a cat that you pick up and hold in your arms (anymore, and it was always on her terms), and was sensitive in her lower back (I have since gone to our vet who's also a physiotherapist to get it treated). I get it, I love animals, I also want to go and pet them, but if the animal doesn't want to or their owner, who knows their pet, says no then it's no, period. 😤
@@oceanbytez847what has started to work on my big dog is to reduce the excitement and reinforcement that jumping gives. When we walk in and he’s super excited and jumps, we quickly walk into him, (entering his space and gently pushing him off) and then block our faces reducing his excitement. Another thing we did is when he goes to jump throw treats on the ground around him, which reinforces the ground as the rewarding place to be. He now almost never jumps where he used to a ton.
Yep! That's one fun looking dog, for sure. You just can't mingle obedience commands with this kind of game/ playtime. I had a dog like this and I trained him to get my attention and point to my work gloves to ask me to play. He used to get so excited when I put on my long sleeve shirt and gloves and we'd go out in the yard and chase each other and wrestle around. I would wear him out. We both loved it. But he knew his commands and even if we were in the middle of playtime, if I gave a command, he knew playtime was over. He loved to be obedient because he was "the best boy in the whole world" (before Prince was born) 😂
Your videos never fail to come up in the exact moments when i have questions about that specific certain behaviour and how to train the dog! I thank you for these videos !! they are really informative aswell!
All true. However, as a trainer myself, I constantly struggle with how to convey this concept to the OWNERS, not the dogs. Yes, I can get the dogs to stop unwanted behavior, but what pays my rent is that people keep coming to me to do it for them. Some learn, certainly, but most come to me to correct a certain behavior only to have it pop up again in another area because they can't wrap their minds around the idea of gaining/earning/expecting/requiring respect from their animals. It's really basic and it consistently amazes me how people (possibly Americans more than others??) treat their pets as special needs children. Dogs LIKE leadership and were bred to serve, not the other way around. You are already personal chef, chauffeur and masseuse. This is a sweet deal for them, and there is nothing wrong with providing ground rules and guidelines that need to be adhered to in exchange for these benefits. And remember, trained dogs don't end up having to be euthanized or rehomed. Everybody wins.
It is a huge deal for owners to firstly seek and pay for help, then see that change is at least possible with their dog. Some catch on, most improve a bit, some never will. The 'humans must serve the dog' attitude is like a cancer that's spread. To me that's why I can't take my well behaved dogs somewhere on a train for example (like you can in a lot of places in Europe), why we can't get a rental, why dogs are banned from so many public places. It saddens me that folks can't see how that attitude restricts the lives of all the dogs and does nothing to enrich the lives of their own dogs. 'Spoiling rotten' is seen as a good thing, a kindness :(
The funny part is, I think you SHOULD treat your dogs and children similar. They all need leadership and boundaries while growing up, while also having their food, grooming, education, love, and medical needs taken care of by us. I think people who are already good dog trainers end up making excellent parents, and vice versa.
@@indigowulfI completely agree. Kids shouldn’t get away with that behaviour no more than dogs, and vice versa. Why is “treating your dog like your kid” always portrayed as a bad thing? I think it all depends on how you raise that kid/dog. My dog IS my kid, nothing wrong with that, so long as you don’t raise your kid to behave like a maniac, which, sadly, I see all too often with human children- maybe that’s where the notion that raising your dog as your child is a bad thing came from in the first place?
@@indigowulf okay- I have a slightly different take on it as I have a fair bit to do with working dogs and livestock. Most people wouldn't send their kids into a muddy yard to bring in cows etc-it is dangerous- or to stay out in a storm to guard a flock from predators. To me they are workmates, deserving of praise and respect and certainly leadership and clear communication like children, but also they are animals and their role and status is accordingly very different.
This is my dog. Stealing anything from shoes to napkins was a game. She's the 4th Rough Collie that's blessed me. She turned 2 today and I turned 68 last month. She has learned when I'm playing and not playing. In the beginning it took body positioning and a firm voice. Now she complies with calm tone and even calmer "please" which seems to fascinate my wife. Generally, collies respond better to a firm but gentle approach, if that makes any sense.
My German Shepherd did this as a pup when we called him to come back into the house (we had this huge green area right outside our backdoor that we let him out to play in several times a day), after he had done it a few times we simply decided not to entertain him on the "chase me" game and instead turned in the direction of the house, ran inside and closed the door with him still outside. Not one minute later he was outside the door, desperate to get in. Not only did he not try the "chase me" game again, but a new game was born, the "race me to get inside". Other than that he was always very good when called.
4:11 😂😂😂 omg cracked me up. He’s really good at the “go nuts!” Part lol. What a silly goose lol. Its hard to stay annoyed when they’re that cute lol 😝😂
This is vital dog training materials. Great stuff 👍 i have both my dogs trained off leash but they were both pretty well behaved dogs from start. I did the "firm but fair" approach lol
@synfiguring Good Luck! My dog failed about 4 times but each time I let him know I was disappointed. I got lucky tho, some dogs are tough to have off leash and that's when I leave it up to the experts
"Firm but fair". Yep. I always jokingly comment: "I always got beats, but seldom treats" :p Treats are great for capturing behaviors. But for maintenance training is best to use other forms of reward .Less you want a zeppelin for a pet.
I remember a highly intelligent Chocotate Lab named Dolly. She was rescued from living down by the train tracks by my grandmother. This dog would act differently when it was with different people. With my grandmother it would not run. It was a bit protective of her. With me, the dog knew when I wanted to walk with her and when I wanted to let the dog run along side of me. I was in fair shape back then, so jogging was not a big deal for me. My brother knew how to handle the dog. Other people in my family who were older knew how to handle the dog. My cousin who is only a few years younger than me had no control. He did not know how to communicate with the animal. Hyperactive energy with a small build. This dog practically dragged my cousin when he had the leash. I was there to make sure my cousin was trained to handle the dog. Because, the dog was better trained than he was. Dolly passed away at 15 years. Still the best dog I have ever met in my life, a shame she is gone, rest in peace.
This is exactly why i couldn't be a dog owner, or any animal owner to be fair, shit like this would irritate and infuriate me to NO end! I'd get so mad at this kind of thing, not being respected or taken seriously is super maddening to me, and I'd probably take that out on the animal. Good thing that i know this though, now i know I'm unfit for the responsibility of an animal
It’s all about the attitude of the human. I work with dogs for a living as well and this is an easy fix. But the difficult part is teaching the owner about attitude.
That's why I used leashes & tie out cords to train them to come & worked up to no restraints before ever trusting them off-lead. I do structured play with them & wear them out first & then let them wander around the yard with me. Once they decided to chase a deer, that popped up unexpectedly but came back after several calls so that was high excitement for them. After that I went back to the long leads & exposed them to more deer moving through the yard (I just took them out to potty early in the morning when the deer were out) until their recall was good with the deer. Vehicles were never an issue because they were introduced to walks around towns & cities early on as well & they could see for themselves how scary vehicles were at speed & they were smart enough to realize that they wanted none of that.
2:59 "good boy, he is not great but his not great boy" I can relate to this statement so much.😂😅 Im happy to witness this training, this how trained my dogs as well. It takes time omg.. "to get rid of the game". I learned so much trying to "catch my dog" when getting loose. I learnt energy matters (My energy matters) and reward with care. And getting upset at myself and my environment won't help me or my dog. To be honest this how I improved my recall as well. With treats and with out (honestly it was because I forgot the treats) but then I learned the moment of giving the treat was que. OMG so many memories (good and bad) but it made me an "OK" dog pack leader.. Thank you for sharing
I love your videos please keep making them and can we have the longer ones back please ? I find it useful to watch it over and over especially when you show the dogs behaving in a certain way and the slow motion stops are so helpful and help me to notice more that I hadn't seen before thank you
Haha, reminds me of my malti-poo that passed... If he got out of the backyard he would rip and play... I always got him back by rattling car keys and he thought he would go for a ride. He was a free spirit and cool dog.
This is vital dog training materials. Great stuff i have both my dogs trained off leash but they were both pretty well behaved dogs from start. I did the "firm but fair" approach lol
Great video!!!! And yes, I laughed although I apologize because it it NOT funny. You're so good "pure joy!!" Yes!!! Because I have experienced this personally................and it IS a dilemma. We worked really hard - every day - on recall and I followed excellent advice by admitting it was MY fault for not being clear enough or consistent enough. Now, at 14 months old, my dog "gets" that he has to 'listen" to my directions or " back on the leash" or "end of game - time out" . Huge rewards for "recall" and it's really improved.
Definitely saw the energy shift. To me seemed like he had some energy to burn off at first (super springy jumping around) and he definitely wanted to play. Surely some consistency will sort out this smart boy. As usual likely need to train the owners as much as the dog.
Hi Joel!! Amazing video!!! My dog Lilly only comes back to me once every other day! I’m getting the gentle leader and a muzzle this weekend! It’s a game to her of hide and seek! Thanks for helping me get through to my dog that the leash and recall is not a game anymore but a serious learning process.😎❤️🐶🐕🦺🦅🦋🐠💝🐳❤️
I have a husky and when I first got him... I had to chase him multiple times but we've been working off leash lately and he's doing incredible. He stays within 10 feet of me and if I stop and tell him to stop he will stop. He'll turn around and look at me and take a few more steps. And I'll repeat, stop when he will stop and then I say come and he will come, so he is doing incredibly well...way better than I have ever expected. On one of those "chases" I blew out both of my hamstrings and was laid up for quite a while. So this is important that he understands when it's time to play and when it isn't.
Great video Joel. You mention in this one about " giving him somewhere to come to" with the hand down for the "come". I watched one of your old videos the other day that covers the come command, and making it more specific, like the nose touching the hand. My come command was way too vague, I questioned where exactly was I asking him to come to and it varied depending on the situation, which was no good at all. Now a "come" means come and touch my hand with your nose! It took no more than a day to train up and it makes a world of difference. Thanks again! Please keep sharing the wisdom 👍🐶♥️
hey Joel , i wanna say thank you , cause 1 day there were 2 guys to deliver apliances to my house and so my black lab was in my mom's bedroom wit the door shut so he made 1 bark imediately remembered your training method so knocked on the door after that never made a sound til the guys left then i let him out fast forward to this past saturday and i started to train him that if somebody knocks on my door to relax siting with a flat tail then let them in then his reward is their affection and almost imediately after couple minutes he understood then i demonstrated the method to his grandma and it felt rewarding to train him to relax calm when he hears a knock on the door , Mr.Beckman i realize that my place in the world is to train my dog and *if or when i can , help other owners and their dog* to be respectable*
I've got a goldendoodle who is very eager to please and also very playful- pretty breed standard I'd say? He also can be really stubborn and likes to test what he can get away with sometimes. He deff knows which person he can get away with doing certain things with in the family. If he doesn't come the first time, I lower my voice the second time and usually that works. When he doesn't come when he's called and I have to go and get him, I make him sit at certain "checkpoints" and walk away before steadily letting him into the house. I see it as reminding him I'm the authority and if he wants to be welcome in the "den" then he has to listen to my commands. If he tries to run past me into the house, I take him back outside and make him start over. Once he's gotten in the house, I have him sit down and I give him some pets and tell him he did good. Sometimes I give him ice cubes to crunch after all that so he can get the frustration out if he ended up having to listen to a lot of commands. It's not a treat but it helps him get all that tension out I think. So far this works for us. Out of everyone in the family, I'm the one he minds the most and we've got a lot of trust between us. I think the strategy works well for his temperament and because he already knows those commands and mistakes playtime for serious time. Being consistant helps too. I don't let him get away with deciding when he wants to come when I call, so when I call he knows to come. I'm not a trainer, but so far this works pretty well? Not sure if there's something I should be doing different. I think it must be a good method bc our relationship is good and it's gotten the behavior I need from him for there to be trust between us. I've worked really hard on making sure he minds me after seeing a video of a poor dog that wasn't trained and ran after a croc and got eaten. He's tried to run after a large animal in the woods but immediately ran back when I called for him, so I'm really glad he trusts me. I think he heard the urgency in my voice and because of how i've trained him he knew it wasn't a game. A huge relief for sure to know he'll mind me when it matters most. Losing my best buddy that way wouldn't be something I'd ever be able to get past. Great video and instruction! Thanks for sharing :))
Dealing with this with my dog. He runs off and runs into streets and just plays. I had to get a remote training collar because he was so stubborn with it. He tried once and just the vibrations on it got his attention
I have a pit-point mix. He sometimes gets out when he’s overly excited or anxious for walkies. However I’ve trained him through marking so he can follow his scent home, and now he knows the whole area by heart. He also no longer runs off too far from my view. He always stays now and listens to me. When I tell him to stay, he stays. When I call him and whistle, he runs over. Self training dog owner here and it worked.
My rescue English Pointer does this...I learned to turn my back on him and do your "come" like a loud cough. It helped. I live in a busy neighborhood near busy streets, so I can't take chances anymore....he's on a 20 ft. tether all the time because he laughs at the 6' fence. Hunting dogs are often unadopted and killed after a long wait...but I was raised with pointers and love him very much.
Thank you for doing this video. It’s reassuring to see a trainer not use treats to superficially procure temporary behavior adjustments, and instead focus on the relationship dynamics, in pursuit of lasting change.
This video is very helpful. However, some people, the elderly or those with physical disabilities, cannot chase their dog down. One method I've learned some 20 years ago and while It might not take the 'game' out of it - at least it's helped me get my dog to come to me.....is... After calling your dog,, don't play the chase game if you are physically not able too....but instead...turn and walk away...and act like you are ignoring them. I've found this will often trigger a dog to stop their game and go to you....because they do not want to be left behind. Don't keep calling the dog. When the dog comes up to you ...then without saying anything once it's close enough, reach down and get hold of the the collar, have the dog sit, then put the leash on. Say "good boy' and pet the dog. but not go overboard with it - go on without too much further ado about it. This has worked for me in the past. I do love the advice in this video... I will be showing it to a few nieces of mine who got high energy dogs but they lack dog understanding/training skills. As I said, the walking away has worked for me, but it's not a quick fix. Eventually my dogs learned when I walked away the fun and games were over....but when you NEED you dog to come to you, because there is a danger or whatever ...the dog Should obey.
I'm so grateful for this video and your advice. My dog is almost 3 and recently started this game when she doesn't feel like coming back in the house so I want to fix this before it becomes a more serious problem. I'd like to believe she is like 80% recallable, we are just working through that last 20% now and it seems to be whenever I haven't wore her out enough and she wants more stimulation from me. the training never ends lol but I like the learning. glad my dog is patient with me
I have an eight month old standard poodle that has gotten to be unbelievably strong and so so sweet but very defiant just like this dog. I’m hoping to learn a lot here.
Great video!!! I have a really naughty Aussie! I’ve had aussies previously and they were not so naughty and very easily trained. But I have to do the sit and give her a quiet stare down so she knows I’m not rewarding her for sitting. She gets it. Fun breed but you have to be ready to work with them.
My dog wants to go on an adventure and will if i attempt to follow and catch him. If i remajn in the yard until he returns, he comes back much sooner. I have found rewarding him with walks and pets is the best way to build a positive training experience. He is oriented towards politeness, instead of food. Saying thank you after he obeys a command gives him positive feedback as well.
@@gaileverett I use to think consistency is the easiest part but then I noticed my wife has difficulty maintaining consistency. Our personas differ in that way. I also spent years in the military so thats certainly a factor
@@Beyonder369I think one major factor people don't usually point out is that they don't want to feel like an authority figure to their pet. They want to be perceived as a loving and caring person the pet can trust, not mindlessly obey. Can't say I agree or disagree with that sentiment to be honest...
@@DankSouls37 I see no problem with being an authoritive figure in the form of a loving leader. My dogs well being depends on me setting her up with success in my world. She need to understand the boundaries, rules and limitations. We have a great relationship which I never abuse. I provide her with food, shelter and protection and in exchange she follows the guidelines that I set. I am always fair and she is always willing. I honestly believe I demand a lot of obedience from my dog but I also give her all the time she needs to just be a dog. Were both very happy with this arrangement.
We have only taken in rescues, and they commonly do this very behavior. Eventually they stopped playing the game after a few times of going to get them. We just got a bulldog mix a couple of months ago that loves this game. Recently, I had to follow her for several miles back into cow pastures (on family property). She was so worn out - and so was I, quite frankly - but she eventually realized that, dang, this dude is willing to do all of that…game over I guess.
I really like watching you as a trainer. M2c-But I can’t help to think that having him run around and get out that energy, tiring himself a bit helped him listen and recall a little bit better.
Glad this video randomly popped up on my feed. This game is exactly why I stopped taking my dog to the dog park! I let him play for 45 minutes then spent another trying to catch him and treats weren’t working. I’ll try this!
I love watching you in action Joel! I gotta say i was prepared to crack up if you had to go after Jet "all day" 🤪 I love reading the comments for the collective experience and it helps reinforce the goal in my mind - to have a great dog. Your sharing of this particular problem will likely help save lives! I have trouble at times when the dog is showing so much JOY making myself follow through - i must remind myself that dog has all the other 90 some percent of the time to be joyful or goofy and this listen to me and do as i ask is important! Watching your videos helps me to do the right thing by my dog! Thank you so much, i know it takes a lot of time to make these clips, i really appreciate being able to watch them!
I had to condition my outdoor dog to come because he would get loose and wander our semi-rural area and carry off neighbors' chickens or hunt wildlife (he came home proudly with a deer spine one day). So I decided to SUPER reward him when he came if I shrieked his name really happily. Then I would give him a hole piece of lunch meat. Worked like a charm. He'd be trotting down the lane happy as a clam when we accidentally left the gate open one day. I shrieked his name so he could hear me and he spun around and tore back up the hill. I had to dash inside the house and grab some lunch meat before he could meet me at the door. Then it REALLY came in handy when a dumb mother deer jumped into our yard one early morning. Our dog came across them (my kids were little). The mom fled over the fence but the baby kept bouncing back from it. Jake tackled it and it started screaming, my kids started screaming. I shrieked 'JAKE!' And his head popped up, he ignored the fawn and came tearing up to me. I brought him in and gave him lunch meat while the kids ushered the fawn back around the house and through the gate. Getting mad at him when coming back would've just reinforced him staying away.
I found this especially difficult with pets of owners who treat them like an emotional napkin. Structure does not exist in that relationship. It's an extension of that person's escapist mindset and that person views discipline as constrictive They dont mind the birds leave feathers everywhere or if cats drag things in from the yard. What's the big deal, guests complaining about scratched arms as my dog jumps all over them. But leave your scarf on the couch and recieve a passive aggressive remark about it He's not lying when he says that its not bad to have expectations on your children. Pets are a joy to have and be around but you have to remember that they play a role in your household dynamic. An employee doesn't bear the same merit as a partner. While they may be an asset, they also happen to be a subordinate and will pick up on your regiment _fast_ A leader or mommy
My dog is one and I adopted him when he was about 9 mo's old from a large rescue. He thinks everything is a game but we've been working on his training and he's getting better on some things. I keep him on a leash when outdoors as his recall isn't there yet. When he's inside there are times when he gets the zoomies and at that point he is all about the game. He knows I can't catch him and he races around on the couch, run's over to me play crouches and then pounces on/at me and nips at my feet, hands etc. When I first got him he had the zoomies and I was closing the blinds and he raced behind me, nipped me in the butt and just kept running before I could even turn around. If he's in that zoomie mode and I'm holding the leash he grabs it and wants to play tug. The only thing I've been able to do is try to block him in with a baby gate if he races into the hall way or hold the baby gate in front of me to stop him nipping me. When he's more confined in the hallway most of that nonsense stops. He wants to play but I won't until he calms down . He will also occasionally get the zoomies if he really needs to go outside to potty and I try to put the leash on him, then it's keep away and nip at me. If he comes in from going potty, I make him sit so I can take the leash off and then sometimes he goes from calm to the zoomies in a few seconds. I did a DNA test and he is a PomChi mixed with Pit Bull, mini Australian Shepherd, Pekingese, supermutt, Am Staffordshire mix. He looks like a taller PomChi. Would breed have any influence on his behavior? I haven't found any videos with suggestions on how to deal with this yet.
I have my clients' dogs drag a lightweight rope...(5ft-7ft, no knot at the end so it can slip around furniture snag-free) when he's in the house & you're teaching him about the "it's not a game" concept. You can grab it/step on it and hold him accountable. As he gets more obedient, the rope gets shorter & shorter. Remove rope when he's in crate or if you're not supervising. Yes, you may have to add the concept that chewing said rope is not a game either. Good luck.
I started out the first 3 months I had him with a house line. He never got used to it and chewed his way through about 7 lines even though he had a half dozen chew toys. We tried several methods to try to teach him not to chew the rope but nothing worked. The other is that my BF and I are 70 yrs old and the dog would find a way to wrap it around our ankles and it was becoming dangerous for us. My BF has nephropathy and is not steady on his feet and while I am usually more agile I've been dealing with a severe issue with my knee and could barely walk. I have started to corner him so I can put the leash on him or leash him up in the more confined space of the hallway which has helped some. But when he gets the zoomies his brain shuts down. @@ltpdogtraining6325
My lab mix likes that game/keep away. However, he received a lesson on running away and now he reads me. When it's fun & games, it's fine. But when I change my demeanor he comes immediately. However, the pit mix puppy hasn't figured it out and is now catching the keep away part, she's deaf so it's quite the learning process for all of us. So working on recall in the backyard
Our golden of almost 2 years old recently started doing this. Her recall was amazing but now she just chooses to ignore us and runs away all of the sudden. I hope she'll go back to how it was with enough training..
This was me last Sunday the day after I got a new 1yo beagle and she escaped from my yard 😂 took 90 minutes to lure her into a small park and lock the gates. Been working on building trust and recall all week.
Great video Joel !! so basically teach your dog when you call their name firmly to come ….games are over, and your not playing around!! So many times Iv heard a crap recall that is not going to happen, so Iv stopped going to the parks, because I’m going to tell them like it is!! And that’s when it kicks off!! I don’t want a strange dog off leash I don’t know by my well behaved dog.
I thought Joel was even more intense than usual… then I realised I had the player set on 1.25 speed 😅
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I sped mine up so I could see what you were talking about and it's definitely more intense lol
That is hilarious! 😂
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@@CrackerBarrelkid as long as you don’t forget about it apparently 😅
This session was so impressive. There is something to the body language aspect. My dog used to do this and once even did the game out of our yard and into the neighborhood. She would not come to me, but the second my husband showed up, she sat down and knew the game was over.
Dogs have brilliant perception when it comes to body language.
Its the opposite for me and my husband. My dog doesnt mind him quite as much.
My husband says I have a voice I use with my girl sometimes when shes not minding thats "the dog equivelent of when your mom calls you by your full name when youre a misbehaving kid".
I dont use it very often, normally I ask my dog to do things, and she does. But sometimes she finds whatever shes doing more interesting than what I need her to do, and then I bring out "annoyed mom voice" and my girl knows its time to listen.
Dog: "I'll be happy to come, as soon as hell freezes over."
Sounds like a kid in my class
How did you fail to understand this short video?
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Exactly, I’ve literally spent 30mins doing this same thing and it hasn’t worked… ever… Huskies are just different!
I call that the Terminator. Just walk directly at then without any obvious shortcuts, no turning back around an obstacle. It goes from the best game they always win to an alarmed yet strangely inevitable surrender. Pointing your shoulders at them repeatedly is noticed across the board.
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@@BDTraining in my defense I only have to do this now because I have kids.
I know I'm a broken record on this but it's another farm thing. If you regularly use food you get charged at the gate (no bueno long term), so best practice is to approach direct. How you angle your shoulders, dangle your arms and breath totally determines if the young and frisky get reved by the approach and bolt. That's the opposite vibe from the Terminator. If you screw it up you get to do the Terminator...for so much longer than a dog would ever want to.
My 8 month old lab/pointer rescue got off his leash in a field the third day I had him so he hasn’t gotten very used to me. I just walked straight at her calling her to come. Within 5 minutes she stopped and saw I was not playing. Not yet a week with her, she has gotten used to my environment quicker than I thought. Tonight, my wife opened the door and she bolted out, I walked outside and sat on the bench called her name and come. The game was being played with her and my wife, she came right up to me when I called her name and come. A lot of behavior adjustment I have to go through as she was a kennel dog from birth and had only been with two huskies for a few weeks. I have been watching a few of your videos and will subscribe
I can speak from exp that there is a part of this where the Owners feels guilty bc they want the dog to be having a good time. Once I got over that it was day and night. My dog used to love to steal my work glove and I would chase him to get it. He loved...LOVED running away. Once I changed my approach and it was no longer fun, he all but stopped taking it. Now when he does its all about me calling for him to return it and he LOVES returning it.
My dogs bring me my shoes and socks, gardening gloves all day long because they know they will get 'something nice!' = cheese / roast beef / a chicken neck. They have never destroyed anything in the house or any of my belongings. My GSD loves it when I roll the gloves together and throw them. She will fetch them and shake them apart for the next throw lol
@@noblejennette2101 "awful human foods" WTF you talking about?
@@noblejennette2101 I grew up in 1970s Australia. No fences, no leads / leashes, hardly even a collar on most dogs. Table scraps were the norm and believe it or not our pet poodle slept outside all year long and lived to 15yrs of age. My mother worked waitressing at a bunch of local bistros and restaurants, and would bring home lots of leftovers, which supplemented our many pets, including mice, rabbits, chickens, cats and the dog. None were any worse off for it, nor do I recall any of them being at the vet.
Dogs, back then, were not 'trained' in the way we think of training today. We would come home fromschool to the dog waiting out on the footpath. Our neighbour's dog would be doing the same - it was a Dingo! When we ran inside to get changed out of school uniform, the dog never even tried to come inside. He knew his place was outside and those lines were never blurred like they are today. We would all jump on our bikes and the dogs would follow us to the local shops where, once again, they waited outside. Never a command was given. Amazing days! Great dogs!
@@noblejennette2101 I was mainly responding to the human food issue you raised. The remainder of my story was to show how drastically things have changed for dogs in such a short time. Why do we take dogs to vets today vs back-in-the-day? We took our dog to the vet when another dog attcked it one Saturday morning. My father actually assisted the vet as he was working alone that morning.. The only other reason to see the vet was for desexing, or the rabies / distemper shot. Most people don't see how they've been conned into the whole commercial pet food / vet visit indu$try lifestyle. You can fool all the ppl all of the time, thankfully. My grandfather raised and raced winning greyhounds on home cooked food made by my grandmother.
THANK YOU! This is the #1 issue I deal with at the no kill animal rescue I volunteer at. I was pretty much doing the right thing, but seeing you explain it gives me more confidence and thinking about how you did it will probably improve my impact on the dogs as well. I have a feeling that this is the biggest and one of the most annoying issues dog owners deal with. I think you should consider pinning this video for others to find easily.
Did you try using a long leash? that way they'd have no choice but to come back to you. Seems like the most logical thing to do.
I mean, I do use leads, but I don't like to let them run with a lead on because I'm always scared they will get it caught on something. Either way, I want to train better behavior whether on or off the leash so they become more adoptable. One of the struggles is also that you have so many different volunteers all doing things differently.@@DaveWells300
You want your dog to listen without a leash kinda like your kids following the rules at home when you are at work
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@@DaveWells300 Off leash with a clear distinction in manner/attitude is much better for the long term obedience.
When he was a puppy, I regularly told my boy sternly "It's NOT a game!!!" coupled with a stern neutral/unimpressed (not angry) face everytime single time he ran away from me in the house or garden. I then followed up with Joel's 'Go Get Method' every single time. It works!
The chase me game is no fun if you're the only one playing it. He's 2 years old now and has great recall on both voice and whistle commands.
Also, I never ever played games where I chase him - I always made him chase me..... that's the game we play around here - that and hide and seek. Works perfectly for reinforcing recall if I run off in the opposite direction he will always follow me - indoors or outdoors, it has huge value to him because he wants to be with me and doesn't want to lose me. I still hide and run from him loads just to reinforce what he has learned. I also try not to repeat my commands - I will go from voice to whistle if needed but then I will either go get him or run off!
Really great points! I play chase with my 5 month old pup and I am the chaser. I need to stop.
My dog and I fart together!
@@pretzeltwisttwist7740 maybe introduce a toy when chasing ?! I've heard contradicting thoughts about playing chase with your dog, but those who did play chase said to reverse the roles often so that it's not always the human chasing the dog. I think knowing commands is also important, you can have a command for play time, or "break" or when you let your dog loose to sniff and play and one command for when it's done and/or they have to come back and stay next to you. A toy might help them differentiate between play time and "normal" time
same with joel's recall method my boy got decent / pretty good recall , thanks to joel's recall method , now 1 thing i really wanna work on is teaching my boy to relax in the car so when i open the door he knows not to bolt out the door at the dog park or park before i put the leash on him
@@KRDP I think you have to train the "stay" command to get you dog to wait until he's leashed and you give him your "go" command.
Oh, the "go nuts" he understood very clearly. :D
Love videos like this one, and seeing the whole process and how much patience it takes to give them structure.
It reminds me of a time I was watching my neighbours' golden retriever. My neighbours were both quite old and not that mobile, so when they got a new pup they never really had the strength or energy to discipline her. Fast forward two years, and I had an incredibly sweet but totally disobedient dog bouncing around in my yard. She got hold of something she shouldn't and I tried to take it away, but she turned it into a game of "come chase me". Of course there was no way I could catch her, but it wasn't a very big yard so instead I just steadily followed and cornered her. It took a solid 15 minutes to wear her down, but eventually I got the outcome I wanted. During the whole time she looked incredibly confused, I think it was the first time she ever experienced a human not just letting her do whatever she wanted.
In my experience, a long leash is a great way to start with recall/getting rid of the game. Get a long enough long leash, like a few meters and just let it drag behind your dog. Then call him. The moment he ignores you or tries to run away, stand on the line. You have to be quick but it's a great way for DIRECT feedback to the dog. Do it enough times so he gets it. Then you can start with longer distances and go back to the long leash if that doesn't work. It has helped me a lot. Maybe this will help people here.
That's what Joel has done in other videos so I was kind of surprised he didn't mention it here.
Same train, if the dog refuses to listen and we're still out the rest of the walk will be on a tight leash, he got it after a few days and with positive reinforcement was always wanting to see the body harness leash for a good walk.
I bought a 70 ft. 3/8" think orange rope at Home Depot. Attached a proper clip so it was more cost effective than buying item called " lines' "lunge ropes" I probably saved $100.00
@@truecynic1270nice!
Every country needs a minister of pet handling and education like you and i mean it.
Just had that reaction of lol haha -> hmm -> that's actually a brilliant idea and I support it.
@ZaBuZaMoMoChi86 No, that is way too much government. However, I agree that every country needs knowledgeable people training pet owners how to teach their animals correctly. I just don't want it going through the government!
@@JayMaverick in First world countries pets have state owned free (or with mitigated prices) health care.
Public welfare is s symptom of civilization but I understand that in the US there's a complete lack of political and economical culture that leads to mere slogans, propaganda and shallow rhetorics when it comes to political and economical matters.
This is so my 1 year old golden retriever boy. He lives to play that's it and everything on this Earth is meant for him to play with.
Bro, you have been integral in transforming my lunatic Aussie puppy. She's 5 months old and is more obedient and confident than every dog I meet. People just don't put effort into learning and training their animals. Thanks so much!
jericho i agree , with you cause my dog's trigger set off is any time somebody is on my propperty that he dont know then in his mind *Translates to intruder alert intruder alert kevin: this is my house i must protect it* if its somebody he does know and has been exsposed to such as my family then he remains calm and get excited to see my brother and sister in law or friends of ours and their black labrador* otherwise anybody outside of our pack he sees as a threat to his house and me
Dang! The dog caved too easily. I was hoping to watch Joel chase him all day lol
Haha! I thought the same thing 😂
I think it's inspirational that you manage to change the dog's behaviour in a few minutes
Super informative video . But also so much fun to see a playful dog. Joel does it all ❤!!!
I really loved how you caught him the first time, firmly but not painful. Until very recently we lived in a house right next to the woods and every person who came to walk their dog thought it was a good idea to let them "say hi to their friend" aka our guard dog through the fence. It was impossible to have a dog who didn't bark because they were doing their job and many people would linger and (un)knowingly taunted our dogs in place of ignoring them and walking on. I tried to work with our current big dog on toning the barking down as it was really loud and constant, but it's complicated when all the family members are not on the same length. When our big dog barked excessively I would call him to me and reward his coming to me, but my brother said I was rewarding the barking. Another time, our dog was barking excessively again and my brother called him, the dog stopped barking and came to my brother who hit him "for barking". From that day on, my brother could not call that dog to come to him and if he went after the dog it would walk away and stay a good distance away from my brother. Dogs aren't stupid, but they're also not all-knowing, so people have to be careful and thoughtful about reward and punishment (I don't condone hitting, whether it be an animal or a person). I am always baffled when people don't understand that when a dog stops what it is doing and comes to you when called, that means the dog is listening to you and that is what you are rewarding, not the thing they were doing before you called them 🤦🏽♀️
And THAT'S the BIG problem - not all family/people following your instructions (being on the 'same wavelength) To me, especially when you know that what you're asking is best practice, it upsets me greatly. ( and in my case, I have a wonderful GSD yr old now who my adult sons would come in and "get really excited" so NOW I am working on getting my friendly dog to stop jumping and nipping other people - everywhere. What a nightmare! And all because I told them to 'come in the house quietly and calmly" and they disrespected ONE request.) Sorry about your sweetheart - YOU ARE CORRECT!!!!!!!!!
I've always used a stern voice and intense body language for "no"s. It works, because i inturrupt the behaviour with the "NO", then i soften up and call them over and reward the obedience.
My last dog was a choco lab stray we picked up from under the local old folks home. In 25 days he learned his name, to stay, come, leave it even if i wasn't there, and also fetch. It actually came easily imo bc that dog was smart as heck, but dogs also want to please you and be part of the pack. You get far more response from rewarding a good thing than punishing a bad thing.
Only thing i have trouble with so far is a friends dog has a bad habit of jumping on people. You can tell her to stop by telling her to go to bed (that's their households "no") but it only stops that behaviour for the person who said that. She continues this behaviour with other people instead. This is tricky, because she doesn't seem to understand why she's getting told no and i've yet to figure out how to bridge that connection.
@@oceanbytez847 I have the same problem with our small dog, a Shih Tzu we sort of inherited when my uncle passed away three years ago. I have always been strict about dogs not jumping on people, but my family found it cute in the beginning. It's the typical "no way" for big dogs but "aw he's so cute" for small dogs. When children are around it's actually the small dog you have to be more careful of, which took some time for my parents to realise. So of course now they see the jumping as an unwanted behaviour, not just for children but for everyone, but it's difficult to implement the rule since he's been given so much leeway in the beginning 🤦🏽♀️
@@truecynic1270 it is very annoying when people do not respect the rules of interaction you've set up with your animals. Not the same thing, but I just remembered an event some weeks ago where we had family members over for dinner, my 18 year old cat came out to eat some kibble and one family member kept asking if she lets people hold her. I told him no, that we go to her to pet her and she doesn't come to us, especially now that she's older and doesn't jump anymore, but he kept asking if he could hold her and then if I could pick her up and put her on his lap. I just said no, but internally I was getting annoyed at his insistence. My cat is 18 years old, was eating her food, is not a cat that you pick up and hold in your arms (anymore, and it was always on her terms), and was sensitive in her lower back (I have since gone to our vet who's also a physiotherapist to get it treated). I get it, I love animals, I also want to go and pet them, but if the animal doesn't want to or their owner, who knows their pet, says no then it's no, period. 😤
@@oceanbytez847what has started to work on my big dog is to reduce the excitement and reinforcement that jumping gives. When we walk in and he’s super excited and jumps, we quickly walk into him, (entering his space and gently pushing him off) and then block our faces reducing his excitement. Another thing we did is when he goes to jump throw treats on the ground around him, which reinforces the ground as the rewarding place to be. He now almost never jumps where he used to a ton.
I couldn't be that focused!
I would play with this Golden every day :D
Yep! That's one fun looking dog, for sure. You just can't mingle obedience commands with this kind of game/ playtime.
I had a dog like this and I trained him to get my attention and point to my work gloves to ask me to play.
He used to get so excited when I put on my long sleeve shirt and gloves and we'd go out in the yard and chase each other and wrestle around. I would wear him out. We both loved it.
But he knew his commands and even if we were in the middle of playtime, if I gave a command, he knew playtime was over. He loved to be obedient because he was "the best boy in the whole world" (before Prince was born) 😂
That's why you are the problem.
Your videos never fail to come up in the exact moments when i have questions about that specific certain behaviour and how to train the dog! I thank you for these videos !! they are really informative aswell!
All true. However, as a trainer myself, I constantly struggle with how to convey this concept to the OWNERS, not the dogs. Yes, I can get the dogs to stop unwanted behavior, but what pays my rent is that people keep coming to me to do it for them. Some learn, certainly, but most come to me to correct a certain behavior only to have it pop up again in another area because they can't wrap their minds around the idea of gaining/earning/expecting/requiring respect from their animals. It's really basic and it consistently amazes me how people (possibly Americans more than others??) treat their pets as special needs children. Dogs LIKE leadership and were bred to serve, not the other way around. You are already personal chef, chauffeur and masseuse. This is a sweet deal for them, and there is nothing wrong with providing ground rules and guidelines that need to be adhered to in exchange for these benefits. And remember, trained dogs don't end up having to be euthanized or rehomed. Everybody wins.
It is a huge deal for owners to firstly seek and pay for help, then see that change is at least possible with their dog. Some catch on, most improve a bit, some never will. The 'humans must serve the dog' attitude is like a cancer that's spread. To me that's why I can't take my well behaved dogs somewhere on a train for example (like you can in a lot of places in Europe), why we can't get a rental, why dogs are banned from so many public places. It saddens me that folks can't see how that attitude restricts the lives of all the dogs and does nothing to enrich the lives of their own dogs. 'Spoiling rotten' is seen as a good thing, a kindness :(
The funny part is, I think you SHOULD treat your dogs and children similar. They all need leadership and boundaries while growing up, while also having their food, grooming, education, love, and medical needs taken care of by us. I think people who are already good dog trainers end up making excellent parents, and vice versa.
@@indigowulfI completely agree. Kids shouldn’t get away with that behaviour no more than dogs, and vice versa. Why is “treating your dog like your kid” always portrayed as a bad thing? I think it all depends on how you raise that kid/dog. My dog IS my kid, nothing wrong with that, so long as you don’t raise your kid to behave like a maniac, which, sadly, I see all too often with human children- maybe that’s where the notion that raising your dog as your child is a bad thing came from in the first place?
@@indigowulf okay- I have a slightly different take on it as I have a fair bit to do with working dogs and livestock. Most people wouldn't send their kids into a muddy yard to bring in cows etc-it is dangerous- or to stay out in a storm to guard a flock from predators. To me they are workmates, deserving of praise and respect and certainly leadership and clear communication like children, but also they are animals and their role and status is accordingly very different.
Thank you. I like that. I never meant to indicate the withholding of love. @@indigowulf
This is my dog. Stealing anything from shoes to napkins was a game. She's the 4th Rough Collie that's blessed me. She turned 2 today and I turned 68 last month. She has learned when I'm playing and not playing. In the beginning it took body positioning and a firm voice. Now she complies with calm tone and even calmer "please" which seems to fascinate my wife. Generally, collies respond better to a firm but gentle approach, if that makes any sense.
It’s always weird to me how strongly people try to use treats when the behaviour is so obviously more reinforcing than the treat
thats why my treats are just whatever the dog wants thats reasonable in the moment.
Treats are only for teaching new tricks/commands and spoiling the pup after they turn 10.
My German Shepherd did this as a pup when we called him to come back into the house (we had this huge green area right outside our backdoor that we let him out to play in several times a day), after he had done it a few times we simply decided not to entertain him on the "chase me" game and instead turned in the direction of the house, ran inside and closed the door with him still outside. Not one minute later he was outside the door, desperate to get in. Not only did he not try the "chase me" game again, but a new game was born, the "race me to get inside". Other than that he was always very good when called.
4:11 😂😂😂 omg cracked me up. He’s really good at the “go nuts!” Part lol. What a silly goose lol. Its hard to stay annoyed when they’re that cute lol 😝😂
This is vital dog training materials. Great stuff 👍
i have both my dogs trained off leash but they were both pretty well behaved dogs from start. I did the "firm but fair" approach lol
This is exactly the material I need right now.
@synfiguring Good Luck! My dog failed about 4 times but each time I let him know I was disappointed. I got lucky tho, some dogs are tough to have off leash and that's when I leave it up to the experts
@@synfiguring What kind of dog is it?
"Firm but fair". Yep. I always jokingly comment: "I always got beats, but seldom treats" :p
Treats are great for capturing behaviors. But for maintenance training is best to use other forms of reward .Less you want a zeppelin for a pet.
I remember a highly intelligent Chocotate Lab named Dolly. She was rescued from living down by the train tracks by my grandmother. This dog would act differently when it was with different people. With my grandmother it would not run. It was a bit protective of her. With me, the dog knew when I wanted to walk with her and when I wanted to let the dog run along side of me. I was in fair shape back then, so jogging was not a big deal for me. My brother knew how to handle the dog. Other people in my family who were older knew how to handle the dog. My cousin who is only a few years younger than me had no control. He did not know how to communicate with the animal. Hyperactive energy with a small build. This dog practically dragged my cousin when he had the leash. I was there to make sure my cousin was trained to handle the dog. Because, the dog was better trained than he was. Dolly passed away at 15 years. Still the best dog I have ever met in my life, a shame she is gone, rest in peace.
"Im not gonna give into the game"
*proceeds to chase dog*
Chase isn't the right word. Chase continues the game. He walked in a calm, confident manner towards the dog, never turning it back into the chase.
This is exactly why i couldn't be a dog owner, or any animal owner to be fair, shit like this would irritate and infuriate me to NO end! I'd get so mad at this kind of thing, not being respected or taken seriously is super maddening to me, and I'd probably take that out on the animal. Good thing that i know this though, now i know I'm unfit for the responsibility of an animal
I really appreciate that you have that awareness.
3:56 the way he was sprawled out is so cute 😅😅😅 thanks for another informative video Joel!
YES!! This is exactly what I needed to see! Not some dopey yellow lab that you can walk right up to and grab when he doesn't come to you. THANKS!!
Love your stuff man
I like your yard! It is amazing ✨
It’s all about the attitude of the human. I work with dogs for a living as well and this is an easy fix. But the difficult part is teaching the owner about attitude.
My dog knows it’s serious when I use our Welsh command. 😂
AWESOME thank you Joel!
Jett was out there living his best life!
Follow through. Every. Single. Time.
That's why I used leashes & tie out cords to train them to come & worked up to no restraints before ever trusting them off-lead.
I do structured play with them & wear them out first & then let them wander around the yard with me.
Once they decided to chase a deer, that popped up unexpectedly but came back after several calls so that was high excitement for them.
After that I went back to the long leads & exposed them to more deer moving through the yard (I just took them out to potty early in the morning when the deer were out) until their recall was good with the deer.
Vehicles were never an issue because they were introduced to walks around towns & cities early on as well & they could see for themselves how scary vehicles were at speed & they were smart enough to realize that they wanted none of that.
2:59 "good boy, he is not great but his not great boy" I can relate to this statement so much.😂😅
Im happy to witness this training, this how trained my dogs as well. It takes time omg.. "to get rid of the game". I learned so much trying to "catch my dog" when getting loose. I learnt energy matters (My energy matters) and reward with care. And getting upset at myself and my environment won't help me or my dog.
To be honest this how I improved my recall as well. With treats and with out (honestly it was because I forgot the treats) but then I learned the moment of giving the treat was que.
OMG so many memories (good and bad) but it made me an "OK" dog pack leader..
Thank you for sharing
I love your videos please keep making them and can we have the longer ones back please ? I find it useful to watch it over and over especially when you show the dogs behaving in a certain way and the slow motion stops are so helpful and help me to notice more that I hadn't seen before thank you
Haha, reminds me of my malti-poo that passed... If he got out of the backyard he would rip and play... I always got him back by rattling car keys and he thought he would go for a ride. He was a free spirit and cool dog.
This is vital dog training materials. Great stuff
i have both my dogs trained off leash but they were both pretty well behaved dogs from start. I did the "firm but fair" approach lol
Thank you now I know which part to give it a hard pat at.
Great video!!!! And yes, I laughed although I apologize because it it NOT funny. You're so good "pure joy!!" Yes!!! Because I have experienced this personally................and it IS a dilemma. We worked really hard - every day - on recall and I followed excellent advice by admitting it was MY fault for not being clear enough or consistent enough. Now, at 14 months old, my dog "gets" that he has to 'listen" to my directions or " back on the leash" or "end of game - time out" . Huge rewards for "recall" and it's really improved.
Beautiful explanation sir, you nailed it 😀
Very well done by you. Patience patience patience
Definitely saw the energy shift. To me seemed like he had some energy to burn off at first (super springy jumping around) and he definitely wanted to play. Surely some consistency will sort out this smart boy. As usual likely need to train the owners as much as the dog.
Hi Joel!! Amazing video!!! My dog Lilly only comes back to me once every other day! I’m getting the gentle leader and a muzzle this weekend! It’s a game to her of hide and seek! Thanks for helping me get through to my dog that the leash and recall is not a game anymore but a serious learning process.😎❤️🐶🐕🦺🦅🦋🐠💝🐳❤️
I have a husky and when I first got him... I had to chase him multiple times but we've been working off leash lately and he's doing incredible. He stays within 10 feet of me and if I stop and tell him to stop he will stop. He'll turn around and look at me and take a few more steps. And I'll repeat, stop when he will stop and then I say come and he will come, so he is doing incredibly well...way better than I have ever expected. On one of those "chases" I blew out both of my hamstrings and was laid up for quite a while. So this is important that he understands when it's time to play and when it isn't.
Thank you. I needed this. Comment for algorithm.
Great video Joel. You mention in this one about " giving him somewhere to come to" with the hand down for the "come". I watched one of your old videos the other day that covers the come command, and making it more specific, like the nose touching the hand. My come command was way too vague, I questioned where exactly was I asking him to come to and it varied depending on the situation, which was no good at all. Now a "come" means come and touch my hand with your nose! It took no more than a day to train up and it makes a world of difference.
Thanks again! Please keep sharing the wisdom 👍🐶♥️
Exactly, most peoples recall is to vague.
Well done sir
Zach could have never done this. Good job Joel!
Exactly what i needed
hey Joel , i wanna say thank you , cause 1 day there were 2 guys to deliver apliances to my house and so my black lab was in my mom's bedroom wit the door shut so he made 1 bark imediately remembered your training method so knocked on the door after that never made a sound til the guys left then i let him out fast forward to this past saturday and i started to train him that if somebody knocks on my door to relax siting with a flat tail then let them in then his reward is their affection and almost imediately after couple minutes he understood then i demonstrated the method to his grandma and it felt rewarding to train him to relax calm when he hears a knock on the door , Mr.Beckman i realize that my place in the world is to train my dog and *if or when i can , help other owners and their dog* to be respectable*
Soooo helpful!!
What a great video ! 😊
Thank you!
I've got a goldendoodle who is very eager to please and also very playful- pretty breed standard I'd say? He also can be really stubborn and likes to test what he can get away with sometimes. He deff knows which person he can get away with doing certain things with in the family.
If he doesn't come the first time, I lower my voice the second time and usually that works. When he doesn't come when he's called and I have to go and get him, I make him sit at certain "checkpoints" and walk away before steadily letting him into the house. I see it as reminding him I'm the authority and if he wants to be welcome in the "den" then he has to listen to my commands. If he tries to run past me into the house, I take him back outside and make him start over. Once he's gotten in the house, I have him sit down and I give him some pets and tell him he did good. Sometimes I give him ice cubes to crunch after all that so he can get the frustration out if he ended up having to listen to a lot of commands. It's not a treat but it helps him get all that tension out I think.
So far this works for us. Out of everyone in the family, I'm the one he minds the most and we've got a lot of trust between us. I think the strategy works well for his temperament and because he already knows those commands and mistakes playtime for serious time. Being consistant helps too. I don't let him get away with deciding when he wants to come when I call, so when I call he knows to come.
I'm not a trainer, but so far this works pretty well? Not sure if there's something I should be doing different. I think it must be a good method bc our relationship is good and it's gotten the behavior I need from him for there to be trust between us.
I've worked really hard on making sure he minds me after seeing a video of a poor dog that wasn't trained and ran after a croc and got eaten. He's tried to run after a large animal in the woods but immediately ran back when I called for him, so I'm really glad he trusts me. I think he heard the urgency in my voice and because of how i've trained him he knew it wasn't a game. A huge relief for sure to know he'll mind me when it matters most. Losing my best buddy that way wouldn't be something I'd ever be able to get past.
Great video and instruction! Thanks for sharing :))
Wow! Yes! Great video! Success!
Those dog/owner interactions are so entertaining to watch at the dog park
Dealing with this with my dog. He runs off and runs into streets and just plays. I had to get a remote training collar because he was so stubborn with it. He tried once and just the vibrations on it got his attention
I have a pit-point mix. He sometimes gets out when he’s overly excited or anxious for walkies. However I’ve trained him through marking so he can follow his scent home, and now he knows the whole area by heart. He also no longer runs off too far from my view. He always stays now and listens to me. When I tell him to stay, he stays. When I call him and whistle, he runs over. Self training dog owner here and it worked.
So good. I know 'that' dog so well. Great demonstration and breakdown. Had me laughing out loud....thanks for the video.
I got a puppy. I know hes going be this type of dog. Thank you for your time and information
I have a 7 month old goldie whos just as hyper, thanks for this :)
Let's review: Put on your best dad voice and pursue with your most intimidating Jason walk
My rescue English Pointer does this...I learned to turn my back on him and do your "come" like a loud cough. It helped. I live in a busy neighborhood near busy streets, so I can't take chances anymore....he's on a 20 ft. tether all the time because he laughs at the 6' fence. Hunting dogs are often unadopted and killed after a long wait...but I was raised with pointers and love him very much.
Thank you for doing this video. It’s reassuring to see a trainer not use treats to superficially procure temporary behavior adjustments, and instead focus on the relationship dynamics, in pursuit of lasting change.
"This guy is a joke"
-Jet
This video is very helpful. However, some people, the elderly or those with physical disabilities, cannot chase their dog down. One method I've learned some 20 years ago and while It might not take the 'game' out of it - at least it's helped me get my dog to come to me.....is...
After calling your dog,, don't play the chase game if you are physically not able too....but instead...turn and walk away...and act like you are ignoring them. I've found this will often trigger a dog to stop their game and go to you....because they do not want to be left behind.
Don't keep calling the dog.
When the dog comes up to you ...then without saying anything once it's close enough, reach down and get hold of the the collar, have the dog sit, then put the leash on. Say "good boy' and pet the dog. but not go overboard with it - go on without too much further ado about it. This has worked for me in the past.
I do love the advice in this video... I will be showing it to a few nieces of mine who got high energy dogs but they lack dog understanding/training skills. As I said, the walking away has worked for me, but it's not a quick fix. Eventually my dogs learned when I walked away the fun and games were over....but when you NEED you dog to come to you, because there is a danger or whatever ...the dog Should obey.
I'm so grateful for this video and your advice. My dog is almost 3 and recently started this game when she doesn't feel like coming back in the house so I want to fix this before it becomes a more serious problem. I'd like to believe she is like 80% recallable, we are just working through that last 20% now and it seems to be whenever I haven't wore her out enough and she wants more stimulation from me. the training never ends lol but I like the learning. glad my dog is patient with me
I have an eight month old standard poodle that has gotten to be unbelievably strong and so so sweet but very defiant just like this dog. I’m hoping to learn a lot here.
Great video!!! I have a really naughty Aussie! I’ve had aussies previously and they were not so naughty and very easily trained. But I have to do the sit and give her a quiet stare down so she knows I’m not rewarding her for sitting. She gets it. Fun breed but you have to be ready to work with them.
My dog wants to go on an adventure and will if i attempt to follow and catch him. If i remajn in the yard until he returns, he comes back much sooner.
I have found rewarding him with walks and pets is the best way to build a positive training experience. He is oriented towards politeness, instead of food. Saying thank you after he obeys a command gives him positive feedback as well.
Great video.
This was so subtle it seemed like pure Joel-magic😂. Hugs to all you guys & Princey.🐾🙏🏽
I have a 'Golden' exactly like this one, and he does the exact same thing! Really pisses me off!
My dog loves to run away when I try to grab him (when outside) so this was the video I needed.
I swear the hardest thing to do as a trainer is not to grab the collar with frustration when the dog is playing and you aint 😂❤
I think the hardest thing is to be consistent EVERY TIME. It's so easy to make excuses for them or for yourself.
@@gaileverett I use to think consistency is the easiest part but then I noticed my wife has difficulty maintaining consistency. Our personas differ in that way. I also spent years in the military so thats certainly a factor
@@Beyonder369I think one major factor people don't usually point out is that they don't want to feel like an authority figure to their pet. They want to be perceived as a loving and caring person the pet can trust, not mindlessly obey. Can't say I agree or disagree with that sentiment to be honest...
@@DankSouls37 I see no problem with being an authoritive figure in the form of a loving leader. My dogs well being depends on me setting her up with success in my world. She need to understand the boundaries, rules and limitations. We have a great relationship which I never abuse. I provide her with food, shelter and protection and in exchange she follows the guidelines that I set. I am always fair and she is always willing. I honestly believe I demand a lot of obedience from my dog but I also give her all the time she needs to just be a dog. Were both very happy with this arrangement.
@@DankSouls37 The best way is to be the loving and caring person that the pet always wants to obey. It is not mindless obedience, it is a choice.
We have only taken in rescues, and they commonly do this very behavior. Eventually they stopped playing the game after a few times of going to get them. We just got a bulldog mix a couple of months ago that loves this game. Recently, I had to follow her for several miles back into cow pastures (on family property). She was so worn out - and so was I, quite frankly - but she eventually realized that, dang, this dude is willing to do all of that…game over I guess.
We are still working on the correction, but have a GPS tracking collar to take away the fear of losing sight of her.
I really like watching you as a trainer. M2c-But I can’t help to think that having him run around and get out that energy, tiring himself a bit helped him listen and recall a little bit better.
Glad this video randomly popped up on my feed. This game is exactly why I stopped taking my dog to the dog park! I let him play for 45 minutes then spent another trying to catch him and treats weren’t working. I’ll try this!
I thought he was super cute and happy dog :) ❤
Why is it so cute when the dogs love this naughty game 😂😂😂 it makes it so difficult to get it out of my little Jack Russel. But she is improving.
I love watching you in action Joel! I gotta say i was prepared to crack up if you had to go after Jet "all day" 🤪 I love reading the comments for the collective experience and it helps reinforce the goal in my mind - to have a great dog. Your sharing of this particular problem will likely help save lives! I have trouble at times when the dog is showing so much JOY making myself follow through - i must remind myself that dog has all the other 90 some percent of the time to be joyful or goofy and this listen to me and do as i ask is important!
Watching your videos helps me to do the right thing by my dog!
Thank you so much, i know it takes a lot of time to make these clips, i really appreciate being able to watch them!
I had to condition my outdoor dog to come because he would get loose and wander our semi-rural area and carry off neighbors' chickens or hunt wildlife (he came home proudly with a deer spine one day). So I decided to SUPER reward him when he came if I shrieked his name really happily. Then I would give him a hole piece of lunch meat. Worked like a charm. He'd be trotting down the lane happy as a clam when we accidentally left the gate open one day. I shrieked his name so he could hear me and he spun around and tore back up the hill. I had to dash inside the house and grab some lunch meat before he could meet me at the door. Then it REALLY came in handy when a dumb mother deer jumped into our yard one early morning. Our dog came across them (my kids were little). The mom fled over the fence but the baby kept bouncing back from it. Jake tackled it and it started screaming, my kids started screaming. I shrieked 'JAKE!' And his head popped up, he ignored the fawn and came tearing up to me. I brought him in and gave him lunch meat while the kids ushered the fawn back around the house and through the gate. Getting mad at him when coming back would've just reinforced him staying away.
My best trick for getting the dog to run for me is do all the body language of crouching down excitedly for hugs and belly rubs. Works. Every. Time.
Amazing!
I found this especially difficult with pets of owners who treat them like an emotional napkin. Structure does not exist in that relationship. It's an extension of that person's escapist mindset and that person views discipline as constrictive
They dont mind the birds leave feathers everywhere or if cats drag things in from the yard. What's the big deal, guests complaining about scratched arms as my dog jumps all over them. But leave your scarf on the couch and recieve a passive aggressive remark about it
He's not lying when he says that its not bad to have expectations on your children. Pets are a joy to have and be around but you have to remember that they play a role in your household dynamic. An employee doesn't bear the same merit as a partner. While they may be an asset, they also happen to be a subordinate and will pick up on your regiment _fast_
A leader or mommy
My dog is one and I adopted him when he was about 9 mo's old from a large rescue. He thinks everything is a game but we've been working on his training and he's getting better on some things. I keep him on a leash when outdoors as his recall isn't there yet. When he's inside there are times when he gets the zoomies and at that point he is all about the game. He knows I can't catch him and he races around on the couch, run's over to me play crouches and then pounces on/at me and nips at my feet, hands etc. When I first got him he had the zoomies and I was closing the blinds and he raced behind me, nipped me in the butt and just kept running before I could even turn around. If he's in that zoomie mode and I'm holding the leash he grabs it and wants to play tug. The only thing I've been able to do is try to block him in with a baby gate if he races into the hall way or hold the baby gate in front of me to stop him nipping me. When he's more confined in the hallway most of that nonsense stops. He wants to play but I won't until he calms down . He will also occasionally get the zoomies if he really needs to go outside to potty and I try to put the leash on him, then it's keep away and nip at me. If he comes in from going potty, I make him sit so I can take the leash off and then sometimes he goes from calm to the zoomies in a few seconds. I did a DNA test and he is a PomChi mixed with Pit Bull, mini Australian Shepherd, Pekingese, supermutt, Am Staffordshire mix. He looks like a taller PomChi. Would breed have any influence on his behavior? I haven't found any videos with suggestions on how to deal with this yet.
I have my clients' dogs drag a lightweight rope...(5ft-7ft, no knot at the end so it can slip around furniture snag-free) when he's in the house & you're teaching him about the "it's not a game" concept. You can grab it/step on it and hold him accountable. As he gets more obedient, the rope gets shorter & shorter. Remove rope when he's in crate or if you're not supervising. Yes, you may have to add the concept that chewing said rope is not a game either.
Good luck.
I started out the first 3 months I had him with a house line. He never got used to it and chewed his way through about 7 lines even though he had a half dozen chew toys. We tried several methods to try to teach him not to chew the rope but nothing worked. The other is that my BF and I are 70 yrs old and the dog would find a way to wrap it around our ankles and it was becoming dangerous for us. My BF has nephropathy and is not steady on his feet and while I am usually more agile I've been dealing with a severe issue with my knee and could barely walk. I have started to corner him so I can put the leash on him or leash him up in the more confined space of the hallway which has helped some. But when he gets the zoomies his brain shuts down. @@ltpdogtraining6325
Oh I see! Do what's works for you. Your health & safety are paramount. Best of luck.
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❤ wish this was a longer video.
I love this video as I see this as a real video.
My lab mix likes that game/keep away. However, he received a lesson on running away and now he reads me. When it's fun & games, it's fine. But when I change my demeanor he comes immediately. However, the pit mix puppy hasn't figured it out and is now catching the keep away part, she's deaf so it's quite the learning process for all of us. So working on recall in the backyard
Our golden of almost 2 years old recently started doing this. Her recall was amazing but now she just chooses to ignore us and runs away all of the sudden. I hope she'll go back to how it was with enough training..
This was me last Sunday the day after I got a new 1yo beagle and she escaped from my yard 😂 took 90 minutes to lure her into a small park and lock the gates. Been working on building trust and recall all week.
great work beck
Great video Joel !! so basically teach your dog when you call their name firmly to come ….games are over, and your not playing around!!
So many times Iv heard a crap recall that is not going to happen, so Iv stopped going to the parks, because I’m going to tell them like it is!! And that’s when it kicks off!!
I don’t want a strange dog off leash I don’t know by my well behaved dog.
Lmaoooo funniest video yet
Ah yes, the top gun fly-by, I know that all too well 😂. I've found running in the other direction, and having a stick changes that tone real quick.