Yeah great analysis. More than anything it shows that to be one of the true greats you've gotta be truly great (if that makes sense). Saying that is to say this, whilst Daniel never won a World Championship, I am sure there is more than a many modern World Champions who Daniel could cover in the right car. But, he hasn't got the adaptibility of a true great like an Alonso or probably most notoriously a Senna - and the timing of his career never worked out. He had Red Bull at his feat in the only modern period where they weren't fighting for titles, and then arguable the greatest young talent of all time came out of nowhere and showed his class. Then, Renault started to fall back right as it looked like they would start to fight for wins, and eventually the McLaren struggles - which I think were compounded by the introduction of even bigger, heavier cars - the likes of which Daniel has never got his head around. In a hypothetical world where his career was brough forward 10 years (lets say 2002-2014), he would've been a champion, of that I have no doubt.
Leaving Red Bull made sense given the context. Red Bull were changing over to Honda power, which at the time were full garbage, had a preference for Max, and he was being offered MUCH more money to drive as number 1 in a works team piling money in to rebuild. It didn't seem particularly risky, especially given Renault's renewed investment in F1 at the time. But they were about to become a shambles behind the scenes so it kind of fell apart.
Thanks. Great analysis. I've subscribed. My $0.02 is great drivers need to adapt to the changes car dynamics that are brought on by the formula changes. Daniel is wonderful person, and an excellent driver, but the inability to adapt driving style means he unfortunately no longer deserves an F1 seat. It's more unfair if the likes of Lawson, Colapinto, Bearman, etc are left off the grid.
There is only word that describes Daniels downfall in F1. It is Verstappen. When Red Bull showed favoritism to Max in 2018, there was no way he could compete on a level playing field there. Eight DNFs that year that were not his fault confirm that something underhand was at play. He really had no alternative but to leave and look for greener pastures. Of course, he could have stayed and accepted number two driver status but no driver worth his salt would do that. As it turned out at Renault and McLaren, he only rubbed salt into his wounded pride. I think Ferrari was his only option to get back to winning ways, but they snubbed him, and l won't say why but it wasn't for his lack of performance. After that it was just a matter of time before he would end up the way he did in Singapore. You can say what you like about coaches, but when a team is not favoring you, you can't win no matter how good you are.
Actually I think he made a mistake leaving RB. He went to the maker of the engine that was failing him all the time. As you said the RB car fit him. It is the drivers job to make himself the team fave. He would have kept his momentum at RB. BTW. I never caught your name. Might be a good idea for us to find you again. Thanks for a very thoughtful video
This is a great question and a strong argument for driver coach vs performance engineer. There are a flood of performance engineers in f1 but very few technical driver coaches. Im hoping to help tackle this area.
Yeah, I dont watch F1 anymore, its sort of like watching a soap opera with some racing. I really dont have time for all the BS, I just want real racingand F1 doesnt even have that anymore with all its DRS and other sh!t. Nah, Ive switched to WorldSBK and MotoGP, where real men really race, not some overpaid prima donnas whigeing about everything.
I have seen other videos critiquing Riccardo driving as they have similar reasons as you. However the way you presented and describe the issues is very good and so much better for a non-technical driver to understand. Thank you.
Leaving RB at the time was the correct decision, DR was going to be #2, if he wasn't going to win he might as well get a pay check (which he did at Renault). His form was getting on top of the Renault & I believe he should've stayed at Renault as he was beginning to get results. I believe once he left Renault, that's when the Stella/Renault issue emerged with the withdrawal of Renault to Alpine (think they knew they payed him too much for the little return they got, especially when he left early) McLaren was a disaster
Renault was starting to break apart with changes in it's top management that Ottmar couldn't fix either. There was a reason why Alonso was so quick to leave as soon as Vettel announced his retirement.
@bobbubevski2719 I think it was Austrian TV Expert and still President of the GPDA, Alex Wurz, who commented DRs announcement to leave Renault, that he is relieved to see DR smiling again. He said he seen the former happy-guy smiling for many months in the Renault team.
The problem with Daniel Ricciardo is that he bought into his own hype; he really believed he could (or worse even: deserved to) be World Champion. Everything stemmed, or unravelled from that. It starts in the mind, the rest, well, follows (up or down - down and out in his case). C'est la vie. Good luck to him.
summary - all ok, McLaren didn't suit his style, impossible for him to look good consistently in the RB as it was a bad car which Yuki was more used to
Not at one with the car was a point made previously with regard to Daniel. Claims were that the car was tailored to suit Lando's driving style. Not sure to what extent that's the case.
The stopwatch and telemetry never lies. Ricciardo never found a solution and gave up. At this point listening to him talk about a WDC was just PR speak. He should head for WEC and Indycar
Daniel was known for his late braking, and the Red Bull was set up for short-corner driving because Max and Daniel had similar driving styles. Lewis predicted the downfall of McLaren when he left for Mercedes and McLaren, a mid-tier car from when Lewis left until mid-2023. Andrea Stella has turned around the McLaren by getting the processes right. In 2023, McLaren focused on improving the car for medium and high-speed corners, only to find a good allrounder for all corners and tracks. The timing for Daniel at McLaren was wrong. The timing for Oscar Piastri has been brilliant. Lando has never known any other F1 car besides the McLaren. He learned to live with a difficult car to drive, which makes him a great qualifier now. Lando now has a preferred driving style based on the McLaren. Oscar has learnt to drive the problematic McLaren car despite having a short-corner driving style like Max and Charles. Fortunately for Oscar, McLaren improved significantly after six months in the seat; thus, he hasn’t been ingrained to drive only one way. Oscar can attack a corner multiple ways, which has improved his overtaking capabilities. Oscar can: - can late brake his competitor - attack on the inside line - attack around the outside line - strategic attack using multiple corners, set the competitor to defend the first and then overtake on the second corner All the while, Oscar reads the grip conditions before arriving at the corner. This is why many F1 experts think Oscar has a higher ceiling than Lando. It is also clear that Oscar has become good at managing tyres, which was previously a problem area, and using this strategically to overtake competitors in the later stages of the race. Oscar is also learning how to minimise losses on bad weekends. Daniel was a bit unlucky as he had a possible GOAT as his teammate, but Lando may start facing the same challenges that Daniel did. If Daniel hadn’t had Max as his teammate, Daniel could have ended up being a WDC winner.
That "lando has never known anything different so he can deal with it" was a BS excuse made by a driver that couldnt cope with a team mate that was more adaptable than him. It is utter tosh. It sums up exactly why i cant stand the guy - no introspection, no acknowledging responsibility. The guy has now been sacked from a second team before the end of the season and fanbois are still repeating this tripe
Yeah look Daniel ultimately failed to adapt to a quickly changing sport. Look at Alonso who used to chuck the car around in the Renault days and has had to completely reinvent himself. This is what Danny failed to do, in my opinion
If Ricciardo couldn't beat Max on an equal machinery, I doubt he could beat Lewis in the prime of Mercedes (2021) which was the only time Red Bull had a chance in championship in the previous regulation era. Remember that Max's 2021 championship was only won by the skin on his teeth with the helped of a very controversial decision by Masi. VCARB's current car was pretty much Red Bull's 2023 car (which was derived from 2022). Considering how Ricciardo struggled right now in VCARB I would say him winning the championship in 2022 against the Ferrari (like what Max did) will also be doubtful if he ended up struggling with RB18. 2023 was the only time where Red Bull has no real competition. But note that's only for Max's case. Sergio almost lost 2nd to Lewis on a struggling car. and RB19 is the template for current VCARB car, (the car that sealed Ricciardo's fate). Though I would say that his real potential competition in 2023 would be whoever his team mate is in Red Bull.
Nice analysis. You mention DR braking deeper in early comparisonthen pointed out Lando braking later in more recent case. Why was Daniel wring and Lando right? People tend to always compare high speed corners, but significant gains can be made in very low speed corners by being just a few kph faster.
@@djholster676 In the first examples, i could see this was technique repeated, for example, in the long corners In the latter, i could see it was a confidence thing - lando just outbroke and everything else on the mid and exit was the same. Does that make sense?
Lets say that I disagree with your take on this. From a different angle you can think see Daniel has always seeking two things: Best contract ($$) he could get and/or Team he enjoyed working with the most (#1 driver). From those you can conclude that Daniel has had a very successful career! Finally the start of your video has a serious flaw. it is not Red Bull-Visa-CashApp team It is Red Bull + Daniel's sponsors (Visa & Cash App). Are Daniel's two sponsors going to stay with RB if Daniel is sacked? Daniel is a HUGE marketing success for the two sponsors so...
@@cobar5342 its an interesting view! I said in the video similar, like, he couldn't see himself winning the championship before Max, but, that's also Max's driving and pure speed intimidating Daniel? What do you think there
I believe that Daniel Ricciardo deserves a seat and Red Bulls top team He’s an excellent F1 driver They should give him the rest of the season, and Sergio Pérez’s car to see what he can do
I really liked the detailed analysis, but as an Aussie I think everyone 'loves' jumping on the band wagon of dissing an F1 driver that isn't always perfect... but that's F1 😮😮 some F1 drivers are nearly always perfect, but not forever, and it's funny (not really) that some of the absolute best....end up dying 😢 So it's a fine line they have to tread. Since we don't get F1 on tv in Australia 🌏 anymore i don't get the joy of watching the, all i get is lots of people talking drivers up or down-no offence to this or any Author 😅 and I subscribed, cause this video was quite different and technical, and I like this cause I am an engineer as well, cheers 😅😅
Came expecting clickbait, stayed for surprisingly detailed technical analysis, subscribed before leaving!
@@vvayoutvvest oh thankyou! Means a lot - appreciate it
@@LowerLaptime me too just subscribed!
@@LowerLaptime ditto :)
Super solid breakdown on why a racer performs the way they do. Thank you for this!!!
I don’t think he’s been sacked - just put on the shelf
Dont think he will take a reserve driver role again.
Yeah great analysis. More than anything it shows that to be one of the true greats you've gotta be truly great (if that makes sense). Saying that is to say this, whilst Daniel never won a World Championship, I am sure there is more than a many modern World Champions who Daniel could cover in the right car. But, he hasn't got the adaptibility of a true great like an Alonso or probably most notoriously a Senna - and the timing of his career never worked out. He had Red Bull at his feat in the only modern period where they weren't fighting for titles, and then arguable the greatest young talent of all time came out of nowhere and showed his class. Then, Renault started to fall back right as it looked like they would start to fight for wins, and eventually the McLaren struggles - which I think were compounded by the introduction of even bigger, heavier cars - the likes of which Daniel has never got his head around. In a hypothetical world where his career was brough forward 10 years (lets say 2002-2014), he would've been a champion, of that I have no doubt.
Max would rather crash than be overtaken by anyone just look at his battles with Hamilton.
Leaving Red Bull made sense given the context. Red Bull were changing over to Honda power, which at the time were full garbage, had a preference for Max, and he was being offered MUCH more money to drive as number 1 in a works team piling money in to rebuild. It didn't seem particularly risky, especially given Renault's renewed investment in F1 at the time. But they were about to become a shambles behind the scenes so it kind of fell apart.
If I was offered 50 million to drive for a worse team I'd take it in a heartbeat.
He hasnt been sacked now, so we can hope for the best 🦘
Thanks. Great analysis. I've subscribed. My $0.02 is great drivers need to adapt to the changes car dynamics that are brought on by the formula changes. Daniel is wonderful person, and an excellent driver, but the inability to adapt driving style means he unfortunately no longer deserves an F1 seat. It's more unfair if the likes of Lawson, Colapinto, Bearman, etc are left off the grid.
Agreed
AWESOME video, love to see the technical breakdown.
Beautifully explained, thanks for sharing
He never seemed to have the emotional strength when things went south... 😢
Great analysis and comments. I would love to see a comparison against Yuki (same car) and against Perez.
Seriously well explained 👍
I enjoyed your analysis and I'm happy that another driver gets his seat ⛳
There is only word that describes Daniels downfall in F1. It is Verstappen. When Red Bull showed favoritism to Max in 2018, there was no way he could compete on a level playing field there. Eight DNFs that year that were not his fault confirm that something underhand was at play. He really had no alternative but to leave and look for greener pastures. Of course, he could have stayed and accepted number two driver status but no driver worth his salt would do that. As it turned out at Renault and McLaren, he only rubbed salt into his wounded pride. I think Ferrari was his only option to get back to winning ways, but they snubbed him, and l won't say why but it wasn't for his lack of performance. After that it was just a matter of time before he would end up the way he did in Singapore. You can say what you like about coaches, but when a team is not favoring you, you can't win no matter how good you are.
Actually I think he made a mistake leaving RB. He went to the maker of the engine that was failing him all the time. As you said the RB car fit him. It is the drivers job to make himself the team fave. He would have kept his momentum at RB. BTW. I never caught your name. Might be a good idea for us to find you again. Thanks for a very thoughtful video
Great video, this channel is going places. Expected a lot more subscribers when i looked under your name!
@@dedeshields 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Ge made the right decision to leave Redbull. Things just didn’t work out for him. Its was not meant to be.
Farwell Danny Ric!!we will miss you.
Congrats on breaking through the TH-cam algorithm.
He had his time and made his millions...age catches up with all of us.
Did he get kicked out or did he just get a job for life
He hasn’t been sacked.. get you facts correct…
great analysysis man
this is chaos 😯
Why has this analysis not been presented to Daniel years ago? If it was presented to Daniel years ago, then why could he not change what he was doing?
Because it was just put together by someone on TH-cam and changing cars and teams without changing himself hurt him.
This is a great question and a strong argument for driver coach vs performance engineer. There are a flood of performance engineers in f1 but very few technical driver coaches. Im hoping to help tackle this area.
@@Leistung.Autohaus That makes it sound as if he was unwilling. I doubt that. Who knows?
@@LowerLaptime I think you've found your first customer! You could use this video quite happily as your letter of introduction...
@@talk2thoran Unable and unwilling are two different things, I didn't mean he didn't try.
Dan leaving was the same issue Webber had with Vettel. dont they like us Aussies?
That is unfair. Daniil Kvyat, Pierre Gasly, Carlos Sainz, Sergio Perez are not Australian.
@@jewulo they all got sacked Perez not yet
"Secret" technical reason: Skill issue
Maaaaaaaate!
I was offered a translation to English. From Strine?
Mate this is chaos
Yeah, I dont watch F1 anymore, its sort of like watching a soap opera with some racing. I really dont have time for all the BS, I just want real racingand F1 doesnt even have that anymore with all its DRS and other sh!t. Nah, Ive switched to WorldSBK and MotoGP, where real men really race, not some overpaid prima donnas whigeing about everything.
I have seen other videos critiquing Riccardo driving as they have similar reasons as you.
However the way you presented and describe the issues is very good and so much better for a non-technical driver to understand.
Thank you.
@@Emperorvalse appreciate that thank you!
Leaving RB at the time was the correct decision, DR was going to be #2, if he wasn't going to win he might as well get a pay check (which he did at Renault). His form was getting on top of the Renault & I believe he should've stayed at Renault as he was beginning to get results.
I believe once he left Renault, that's when the Stella/Renault issue emerged with the withdrawal of Renault to Alpine (think they knew they payed him too much for the little return they got, especially when he left early)
McLaren was a disaster
As I remember he did feel very uncomfortable inside the Renault team. There was quite some fighting in management there, wasn't it?
Renault was starting to break apart with changes in it's top management that Ottmar couldn't fix either.
There was a reason why Alonso was so quick to leave as soon as Vettel announced his retirement.
@@martinoberngruber1893 all happened after DR left (they couldn't justify what they paid him & when he left it boiled over)
@@Emperorvalse yes but all exploded when DR left, they kept quiet till he said he was leaving
@bobbubevski2719 I think it was Austrian TV Expert and still President of the GPDA, Alex Wurz, who commented DRs announcement to leave Renault, that he is relieved to see DR smiling again. He said he seen the former happy-guy smiling for many months in the Renault team.
Leaving a race winning team was a bad move.
The problem with Daniel Ricciardo is that he bought into his own hype; he really believed he could (or worse even: deserved to) be World Champion. Everything stemmed, or unravelled from that. It starts in the mind, the rest, well, follows (up or down - down and out in his case). C'est la vie. Good luck to him.
Thank you, great teaching style.
I reckon he got scared stopped putting his balls on the line and his confidence fell away
summary - all ok, McLaren didn't suit his style, impossible for him to look good consistently in the RB as it was a bad car which Yuki was more used to
Not at one with the car was a point made previously with regard to Daniel. Claims were that the car was tailored to suit Lando's driving style. Not sure to what extent that's the case.
Lando's driving style developed in that car - he'd never been in anything else.
The stopwatch and telemetry never lies. Ricciardo never found a solution and gave up. At this point listening to him talk about a WDC was just PR speak. He should head for WEC and Indycar
RB is not getting rid of the best driver in F1. DR is the Greatest driver of our generation
No statement whatsoever on whether he's leaving or not...
13k views LETS GOO BABY
Daniel was known for his late braking, and the Red Bull was set up for short-corner driving because Max and Daniel had similar driving styles. Lewis predicted the downfall of McLaren when he left for Mercedes and McLaren, a mid-tier car from when Lewis left until mid-2023. Andrea Stella has turned around the McLaren by getting the processes right. In 2023, McLaren focused on improving the car for medium and high-speed corners, only to find a good allrounder for all corners and tracks. The timing for Daniel at McLaren was wrong. The timing for Oscar Piastri has been brilliant.
Lando has never known any other F1 car besides the McLaren. He learned to live with a difficult car to drive, which makes him a great qualifier now. Lando now has a preferred driving style based on the McLaren.
Oscar has learnt to drive the problematic McLaren car despite having a short-corner driving style like Max and Charles. Fortunately for Oscar, McLaren improved significantly after six months in the seat; thus, he hasn’t been ingrained to drive only one way. Oscar can attack a corner multiple ways, which has improved his overtaking capabilities. Oscar can:
- can late brake his competitor
- attack on the inside line
- attack around the outside line
- strategic attack using multiple corners, set the competitor to defend the first and then overtake on the second corner
All the while, Oscar reads the grip conditions before arriving at the corner. This is why many F1 experts think Oscar has a higher ceiling than Lando. It is also clear that Oscar has become good at managing tyres, which was previously a problem area, and using this strategically to overtake competitors in the later stages of the race. Oscar is also learning how to minimise losses on bad weekends.
Daniel was a bit unlucky as he had a possible GOAT as his teammate, but Lando may start facing the same challenges that Daniel did. If Daniel hadn’t had Max as his teammate, Daniel could have ended up being a WDC winner.
That "lando has never known anything different so he can deal with it" was a BS excuse made by a driver that couldnt cope with a team mate that was more adaptable than him. It is utter tosh. It sums up exactly why i cant stand the guy - no introspection, no acknowledging responsibility.
The guy has now been sacked from a second team before the end of the season and fanbois are still repeating this tripe
Yeah look Daniel ultimately failed to adapt to a quickly changing sport. Look at Alonso who used to chuck the car around in the Renault days and has had to completely reinvent himself. This is what Danny failed to do, in my opinion
If Ricciardo couldn't beat Max on an equal machinery,
I doubt he could beat Lewis in the prime of Mercedes (2021) which was the only time Red Bull had a chance in championship in the previous regulation era.
Remember that Max's 2021 championship was only won by the skin on his teeth with the helped of a very controversial decision by Masi.
VCARB's current car was pretty much Red Bull's 2023 car (which was derived from 2022).
Considering how Ricciardo struggled right now in VCARB I would say him winning the championship in 2022 against the Ferrari (like what Max did) will also be doubtful if he ended up struggling with RB18.
2023 was the only time where Red Bull has no real competition.
But note that's only for Max's case.
Sergio almost lost 2nd to Lewis on a struggling car.
and RB19 is the template for current VCARB car, (the car that sealed Ricciardo's fate).
Though I would say that his real potential competition in 2023 would be whoever his team mate is in Red Bull.
Daniel does NOT have a short corner style.
So true. People forget Ricardo beat Vettel.
Lol. It has nothing do with his skill. Its Lawsons contract requiring him to get a seat with 5 races remaining at minimum
@@scottdenny2281 the data suggests otherwise
And you know this because...?
Obviously it's up to Daniel. Some will see it as a mistake to leave RB given they were a top team.
Oh damn this video’s doin numbers, comment for algorithm 🙌🏽😂
"The technical reasons" are simple. He is not competitive anymore. Not much of a "secret."
Nice analysis. You mention DR braking deeper in early comparisonthen pointed out Lando braking later in more recent case. Why was Daniel wring and Lando right? People tend to always compare high speed corners, but significant gains can be made in very low speed corners by being just a few kph faster.
@@djholster676 In the first examples, i could see this was technique repeated, for example, in the long corners
In the latter, i could see it was a confidence thing - lando just outbroke and everything else on the mid and exit was the same. Does that make sense?
Thanks.
Lets say that I disagree with your take on this.
From a different angle you can think see Daniel has always seeking two things: Best contract ($$) he could get and/or Team he enjoyed working with the most (#1 driver). From those you can conclude that Daniel has had a very successful career!
Finally the start of your video has a serious flaw. it is not Red Bull-Visa-CashApp team
It is Red Bull + Daniel's sponsors (Visa & Cash App). Are Daniel's two sponsors going to stay with RB if Daniel is sacked?
Daniel is a HUGE marketing success for the two sponsors so...
Left redbull and failed to perform ; blaming outside sources is just an excuse .
It seems to me that the coming of Verstappen made Danny to see who RB saw their future with.
I think he made the correct choice there
@@cobar5342 its an interesting view! I said in the video similar, like, he couldn't see himself winning the championship before Max, but, that's also Max's driving and pure speed intimidating Daniel? What do you think there
@@LowerLaptime Agreed. And that is how it panned out
He need a psychotherapist to help him.
I believe that Daniel Ricciardo deserves a seat and Red Bulls top team
He’s an excellent F1 driver
They should give him the rest of the season, and Sergio Pérez’s car to see what he can do
I really liked the detailed analysis, but as an Aussie I think everyone 'loves' jumping on the band wagon of dissing an F1 driver that isn't always perfect... but that's F1 😮😮 some F1 drivers are nearly always perfect, but not forever, and it's funny (not really) that some of the absolute best....end up dying 😢 So it's a fine line they have to tread. Since we don't get F1 on tv in Australia 🌏 anymore i don't get the joy of watching the, all i get is lots of people talking drivers up or down-no offence to this or any Author 😅 and I subscribed, cause this video was quite different and technical, and I like this cause I am an engineer as well, cheers 😅😅
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