Why Does The TikTok Art Community Have A Problem With This Artstyle?
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*_if you draw with chicken scratch comment here_*
Womp womp
Right here, Especially on paper!
I do its looks so cool :)
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The problem isn’t people chicken scratching. It’s the fact people are policing artists from trying to learn how to draw or even using chicken scratch as an art style which shouldn’t affect anyone
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Yes! I actually really like the chicken scratch style. I really love art that’s loose and fluid and scratchy. It’s not good to use “art style” as an excuse not to grow and improve, but I really enjoy when artists get it right.
I use the chicken scratch to start my sketch before polishing the scratches to look like lines I did perfectly and with one stroke
tiktok art community trying not to start drama challenge (impossible 99% fail)
TODAY WE ARE DOING THE DONT START DRAMA OVER DRAWINGS THAT ARE IUST NORMAL CHALLENGE LETS SEE HOW LONG WE CAN LAST!!!!
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lmaooooo this one gon be hard!
correction: 99.99%(lol)
Tbf I've seen this fight going on for years. A Japanese artist got bullied off Twitter a few years ago for making a tutorial on how to learn line confidence and control.
"POV you're trying to learn to draw for the first time"
If you read this with the TikTok Text-to-Speech voice playing in your head, congrats, you are probably hate that voice
I have shaky hands, I physically cannot create a straight line in one stroke, I can, however, create the illusion of a straight line using multiple smaller lines
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Oh yeah I sometimes do that as well! But sometimes I also just give up and use the chicken scratches overal lol
@@applesugarlol i sometimes just prefer how they look
@@RexMiseriaeSameee! It looks way better with my personal artstyle tbh (talkin about it, I should probably change my pfp to something more accurate lol)
oml same
As a person who refuses to ever touch TikTok, I watch these videos like I watch a Nature documentary about seals living in the deep cold sea
I watch with horror, go 😟 and feel thankful for how I'm not part of the ecosystem
Same
Agreed
Mood
My thoughts exactly!
Same tbh
Using chicken scratch is neat when drawing horror or intense sketches in my eyes not sure chicken scratch is problematic but its tiktok people so it makes sense
manga artists do this alot and everyone is cool with it tooo!
That's my thing, I use this style because I draw horror
If I'm drawing, idk, like an orc decapitating a minotaur, who is going to tell me to go more clean lines with that? Only a crazy person. That's a messy concept, literally. Wouldn't if fit that the lines were also rough and intense real nice? I'm going to use that technique where ever we'd expect to see mess. A messy, drama girl? Messy lines. A messy room? Messy lines. A mess of unknowable features gnawing on your soul? Messy. Lines. People hear one piece of highly-specific advise and think it's gospel, that's not how art works. This is art's version of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
@@MohammedAgbadiIt's used a lot in preliminary western animation drawings as well.
@@MohammedAgbadiFr!!! It’s a cool style.
Remember, most of people on TikTok you are arguing are like 13-15 year olds.. that explains all unreasonable art drama
Yeah, kids not raised too well by their parents, with too much free time and no school...
Some adults act the same way, specifically non-artist. But not all
8-15 at least
age isnt a factor when it comes to unreasonable drama though but i agree most of the artists in tiktok are probably still in kindergarten or in middle school which is why they're too headstrong with their opinions, literally ride or dying for chicken scratching of all things lmfao.
Although I personally feel that 13-15 is quite far enough over & past the age(s) that i find excuses this type of ignorance and behavior,
I pray to GOD that they are, so that I can at least somewhat accept and excuse it to a certain degree...
Otherwise my brain will like, overheat with the inability to comprehend how SO many people could be so confidently ignorant, to the point where they're nearly proud of their stupidity.
(Difference between ignorance & stupidity for me: ignorant doesn't know any better in order to act/believe in any other way; stupid nows better, full and well, yet still refuses to bend or change to adapt or adjust to those well known better sensibilities. )
I don't have a tiktok and watching these feels like watching a zoo documentary
exactly bruh. I wouldn’t *DARE* touch TikTok even if it costs me missing out on the new “trends”
Bruh the zoo😂
@@squibz333 same, i've used tiktok for months before due to the very first reason of having to watch edits of my favorite characters, but looking at the comments of any video is like the equivalent of poking your eyes with a syringe. I hope they add a feature where you can disable the comment section with any video (like youtube).
People with no sense of style love to call everything a style. If somebody likes to draw with messy scratching - go ahead, I've seen some good and pretty examples of it. Slay the princess is a full game done with that technique. But ultimately it is just a technique. Not a style. Style is much more than just a way you do strokes with your pencil, although it can be a part of it. But just a part, not something that stands on its own.
SLAY THE PRINCESS MENTIONED!!!!
Literally 😭😭 it's like saying something is drawn in a "pencil art style" because it was drawn with a pencil LNAO
@@Lazzuuu Did you mean ‘LMAO’?
@ ye lol,, I don't usually care if I misspell "LMAO" cause at least to me it's still clear what it's supposed to mean😧
@@Lazzuuu Not really. With most abbreviations, if not all of them, being one letter off means a different abbreviation entirely.
WE LITERALLY JUST STOPPED HATING ON THE JELLY ART STYLE
Did we?
TikTok has to find a new art style to hate on, apparently.
Tim Tok officially just hates artsyles i guess
@@sarahcicle8592 chicken scratch isn't even an artstyle
@@Toaster_Draws but it isn't an artstyle, it's literally a technique for sketching 😭
People on TikTok be acting like this way of drawing is recent 💀I did that shiz since I was 12 💀 Do these people not know what storyboards, speedpaints, or rough sketches are?
I did that all the time, especially in my sketch phases. Sure it can make a drawing look messy af, but not “bad” and can help. What also helps in digital art is making a rough, messy sketch layer, then making a more refined version to show what lines you want to draw in the mess. Some people like their art rough. Artists tend to work and build on the messiness and clean up in the process, making it look more refined.
Also *AHH- DA- BIRTHDAAAAAAY!*
I do this all the time when drawing in my sketch book. Usually once I get the basic shapes and ideas out with the chicken scratch lines I start erasing to refine everything. Its literally one of the most basic of techniques that have been used in art for ages
As a digital artist can confirm this is true- I do a chicken scratch sketch layer and then make a better refined one on top-
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People on tiktok always feel that the way tehy do smoething is best and everything else is inferior, to make their sad lives better.
If any parents that downloaded Tiktok on their kids phone.. man god bless their innocent souls.
1:43 thats a sketch, they're describing a sketch LMAO
EXACTLY???
I feel like the "chicken scratch artsyle" is kinda just "sketchy artsyle" or "messy artstyle"??
don't attack me 💀
@@ThawBerry*NOT TRYING TO ATTACK YOU!*
it's not really an art-style though, just something people use as an art style but it's really just meant to be used for practice/idea sketches.
@@starPh0bia- I was referring to like, final products that have a kinda messiness to it - but yeah! I do it too 😅
art is subjective. what is a sketch for you is line art for someone else.
> talks about “chicken scratching”
> uses angry birds music at the start of the video
Amazing, I love your content
I absolutely love the chicken scratch/messy atrstyle, it's the reason I started drawing myself and I often use those kinds of drawings as insperation and references
u guys should just do what you like but dont use tiktok or stop using it lmao
its what got me into this too 😊saw an artist named Pen&Papers doing mspaint stuff and that got me in as well lol
I can draw realism but I still love the look of messy, unfinished art styles I’m actually trying to learn to have a more free and ‘messy’ art style now 😅 my art style has gotten way too polished and soft imo.. I need some scrunkle
My rule of thumb is "it's only a mistake if that's not how you wanted it to look" so if chicken scratching is a deliberate stylistic choice then it's not a mistake👍
@@PandabreadieExactly!
Imma do it, here I go lmao
"BACK IN MY DAAAAAY" 🤣 it's called "movement" in art. We had a whole two weeks sesh in college art and a lot of my fellow classmates couldn't grasp the concept which is ok.
Edit to add: we used a lot of vine charcoals for it but you make art that makes you happy. Eff the rules, eff the haters.
lmfaoooooo
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I feel like the definition of chicken scratch is beginning to change. Because according to how a lot of these people are defining it, I have chicken scratch lines, but they're actually quite clean and controlled. It's an aesthetic choice that I often have to force by padding my lines or intentionally reducing control of the pencil to make my lines messier because it gives the piece character and charm.
Chicken scratch is also often used to describe ILLEGIBLE handwriting. Not slightly messy. Unreadably bad. Like "I can't read my own writing" bad.
To me, chicken scratch, by definition, must mean you lack the fine, finessed hand-eye coordination to control the placement of your line. You can only make it go where you want to by inching across the paper in noticably jagged strokes.
I've been in the art community long enough to remember when a popular Japanese art tutorial page deleted itself because they made a mini tutorial about how to increase line control and people got OFFENDED because they felt their "style" was being attacked!!
Chicken scratch is not a "style." I wouldn't even call a horror artist with intentionally scratchy lines to create the effect of a visual blur a chicken scratch artist unless it was, again, something they literally couldn't control even if they wanted to.
I think people need to stop bullying artists for drawing in chicken scratch lines because its simply part of learning and growing as an artist, but artists who draw in chicken scratch need to stop being offended by well-meaning tutorials about how to control your lines. At the very least, I think every artist should at least ATTEMPT to learn this stuff because artists who draw in chicken scratch tend to bear down much harder on their pencil, leading to a much higher risk of developing carpal tunnel or any other form of muscle & joint damage to their hands. It's not about controlling how others draw. It's about the long term health of the artist and about allowing the artist themselves to control their OWN drawings and draw exactly what they want and how they want.
Anyone on either side of the argument deviating from that is missing the point.
Draw as messy or as clean as you want, but ffs, please learn line control and don't hold the pencil too tight. Its not normal for your hand to be throbbing in pain after drawing. If I didn't learn line control, I'd have carpal tunnel, but now I can draw for hours without pain.
exactly your definition is spot on, everyone arguing on either side is missing the point entirely tbh… i think chicken scratch isn’t a style simply because you can’t really do it on purpose once you know what you’re doing? it comes from a lack of skill and you naturally grow out of it at some point even if you don’t notice, all the artists defending this “style” to the death barely even do it in their examples! someone tell them that going over their lines multiple times is a different thing pls 😭😭
Yes even I find it js a lil better haha!❤
i don't understand tiktoks addiction to hating ( usually ) beginner art, like, they're literally learning, you're just discouraging then to become an incredible artist in the future ( also happy birthday!! )
i feel like its similar to the 'no shading with black rule'. in many cases, yes it can look ugly however it really depends on the style. it's another case where people take advice and turn it into a definitive art rule where if you do this it's bad. if you want cleaner lines you should work towards that, however, if you're fine with chicken scratch, who cares it's your art
I think "don't shade with black" IS a very solid rule for _realism_ specifically. Pure black and pure white are only ever found in shadow or light reflections in the real world. You can test this by taking photos of things and using the eye dropper tool to see the colors.
Most real world objects are not pure white or black unless that object is covered in the brightest white or darkest black paint.
In a realistic painting, you need to be able to add shadows to black colored objects, and highlights to white colored objects. This means when painting a black object you need to use very dark greys or other colors depending on the surrounding light. Then you can use black for the shadows on black objects and the end result is it "looks" black despite the main color being dark grays, blues, purple, etc. Same white objects are light creams, yellows, blue, etc and then pure white is used for highlights from light reflection.
So this rule is actually kind of essential for photorealism or other more realistic styles, but art doesn't need to be realistic. I do however think learning this rule helps you break it in artistically effective ways much better than not learning how to draw with the rule.
Plenty of art rules are useful as long as someone explains WHY the "rule" exists and doesn't use the rule to gatekeep art or tear down other people. ❤
I shade in black (my medium is paper, inking pens, and colouring pencil), and it looks gorgeous! Also my linework is slightly scratchy because my pens sometimes give up the goat, meaning I have to etch over the same point over and over. And it looks good.
I've never understood why people hate shading in black, cos whenever I shade in colours for anything but pixel art, it looks bad!
Not really a rule a but good art technique if you’re aiming for a realistic or classical painting style. You’d be surprised all those dark Rembrandts or Caravaggio never uses pure black or pure white in all their paintings
If your style is more Abstract/Stylized or Illustrative style, then using all extreme colors is in the table.
Chicken Scratch is much of an "art style" as much as cel shading is an "Art Style"
Friendly reminder that in the world of art, there truly aren't any rules. A good way to think about learning art is that it's like exercising; the more you learn naturally the more you'll grow, but the less you learn the more you simply cheat yourself. In the end it's about asking yourself what and who you're creating art for.
The thing about veteran artists who advice against chicken scratching and recommend shoulder-drawing kind of forget this makes sense when you are talking about a big canvas, or when you have a high grade large drawing tablet. Someone using a shoddy old Bamboo is gonna have a bad time trying to do that due to the small working space. Also, Squigglevision was a technique specifically developed to make clean lines look jankier, so there is some precedent to intentionally mess with your lineart to make it look "bad".
Me with my foldable laptop 😅 I try to do the arm thing but it’s tricky
Just because the space is small doesn't mean you have to use chicken scratching either tho! Like, I only use my wrist to draw, but I still usually only make a few long lines, instead of a ton of small ones:3
And also, making long lines on smaller tablets is easier anyway, since you don't have to move your pen nearly as much as if you had one of those giant screen tablets lol
My thought on this is that it would kill the stamina, because it would make the arm hurt being suspended like that for extended periods, especially if one is a slower artist or puts in a lot of detail.
Besides, most art programs have stabilizers, so you can just crank that up and pretty much fix the problem.
Though I don't see an issue with the whole "chicken scratch" thing anyway, since it can still add energy to a piece and art is subjective anyway .>
Is not about the tools. Beginners just don’t know how to differentiate between rough lines and chicken scratch. Veteran artist know the difference, that’s why they advice against the latter.
@@Ith.977 i mean, tools do play a decent part in the equation. there are other components and u can certainly-circumvent the "issue" wo purchasing in-affordable supplies, but to deny the role your art equipment plays in your ability to adopt "veteran" techniques is just outright-ignorant.
i do wonder what most people's definition of a "veteran" artist actually is though - that's such a broad term that's constantly thrown around to strong-arm beginner artists, but most of u fail to paint a decent portrait of what actually entails being a vet. im a pretty experienced artist and (yet) i can say w confidence that none of the quick-fixes people offer to drop "chicken scratching" as a technique would ever work for me. u know why? i have a literal tremor in both my hands (a hereditary disorder; for context) that prevents me from having full control over my movements. plenty of other people suffer from similarly-debilitating issues: i.e, tourettes or anxiety disorders. then there's the fact that some people just *enjoy* the technique. some people just like the appearance of it, or like the ease of it.
for so-called "veterans" to disclude all of these elements from the equation and immediately jump to "no i dont like it so u have to fix it! here's how i draw - it might not work for u but u can *make* it work because i find it unappealing!"... i find it difficult to consider them vets or experienced artists in any capacity. surely an experienced artist would understand all of the unique-variables that come w creating art and know not to immediately-enforce such rigid rules and expectations on beginners w no forethought or respect?
to understand art is to understand that it's a subjective medium - arguably *the* most subjective, personalised medium of human creation out there. no genuine veteran would discount an art technique entirely, purely because it's one that they do not enjoy. no good artist would take a look at another artist's work and tell them "this looks bad, do it like this!" - we should be teaching beginners how to make the techniques they employ work for them; teaching them *how* to make "chicken scratching" work as a technique, not telling them to drop it entirely.
this entire trend is stupid. it feels like it was made up by beginners to put down other beginners and make them feel better about their own art. being a beginner artist does not mean youre someone w an unestablished art style, or unappealing art style... it literally just means youre new to creating art. so, by proxy; having a beautiful, established and unique art style w great anatomy, colour theory or line control does *not* make u a veteran artist. a veteran artist, is literally just somebody who's been creating art for a long time. tiktok has created all of these new buzzwords to refer to literal academic techniques just so that people have an excuse to bully other artists
I think some issues people have with learning confident lines is that perhaps their stuff looks "lifeless" because of a completely seperate issue. Alot of the time this comes from anatomy, perspective and shapes. So they're using chicken scratch to get around it.
If you're trying to use confident lines and you feel like your character is "lifeless" you might need to re-evaluate one of your basics. It's something I struggled with too when I was doing art. I couldn't STAND lineart because it always looked so "flat" or "lifeless" until I realized it was my sketch itself being flat in the first place. I do all my sketches in chicken scratch. Now I do all my sketches in chicken scratch but have a second clear lined sketch (so like some chicken scratch mixed with clearer lines) and it showed me how flat my perspective and anatomy was. Which led me to re evaluate all that and now my confident lineart looks so much better. Beginning artists tend to use chicken scratch as a crutch because they haven't mastered all the other techniques just yet. That's probably why people hate the chicken scratch style, alot of people will say "it's my style" when in actuality it's just that they haven't learned how to fix the problems they're having with their art.
But I have no issue with chicken scratch as an art style. I actually mimic sketch styles with my finished pieces by using textured lineart brushes not smooth line brushes. There's a certain sketch style I always loved but I can't seem to figure out how to do it for myself so I kinda made a "middle of the road" style until I figure it out lol.
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Also, if your sketch is fine but your line work loses that dimension, check your line work itself. You can add weight and thickness to it too. If you use the same thickness of line across an entire piece, it will feel flat. One of my life drawing classes spent an entire week focusing on your line work itself. And this was after we'd spent the previous week focusing on drawing form by hatching and crosshatching. Our teacher basically pointed out there's several ways to vary your line: doing it by distance from the main form (usually getting thinner and lighter as you move away so the main form is the darkest), using shadow/weight (basically, where the most weight is, you thicken. Usually this is also where the shadows end up being but you can also use same principle for just shadows instead), and calligraphic (not necessarily following these previous methods but more just focusing on how the line naturally comes out/what you think looks good). But all of these also started with lectures of "Loosen up your grip, use your whole arm to draw" and more advice. If you genuinely like the look, then fine. And I won't get into why but there are actual reasons to why longer, confident strokes are the "Professional" thing. (TLDR: they are clean and easy to read so you aren't a snag in production lines.)
To say that sketching isn't professional tells you a lot about these people.
chicken scratch art style is great for conveying visceral, negative emotions like rage, dizzyness, fear, etc. i see this in some anime scenes and manga and people don’t even say anything negative about it.
oh yeah, and it’s difficult for people to exactly draw with smooth lines first try when sketching, unless if you’ve mastered drawing this pose or this character to a tee.
Here’s a solution sense toxic artists don’t listen. Let’s all collectively ignore them!
Yes I’m aware it can be difficult but just remember what our lad says. All art is valid art. We all progress at different levels and learn in different ways. Don’t give the toxic artists the time of day!
Keep drawing everyone! Let’s make the art community great again XD
I'm... more skeptical about that. I've seen some people doxing people before.
I use chicken-scratch as a way to build up my sketches, but I do try my best at cleaner lines during lineart. When I sketch, I find myself using lots of layers: using very loose shapes at first, building up details with chicken scratch, and finishing with more refined (but still loose) details. No layers are deleted, nor erased. I just lower opacity of previous layer and merge with new one. Sometimes, when there are a lot of details, I use different colors during process, to easily guide myself. I find that building up my sketches in this way helps me a lot with anatomy and shapes, even though it slows down the process
I use about 5 (sometimes more) layers for building sketches. The harder the drawing, the more layers and refinement I do before moving to lineart
I do a similar process. Multiple chicken scratch layers and eventually a more refined last sketch with confident lines before finished lineart.
I'm not sure how long you guys have been drawing , but I have been drawing for over 2 years now and it's very comforting to see other people have a similar process. I always felt my use of multiple layers and chicken scratches in the sketching process made me somewhat inept. You guys genuinely made me feel a little less bad about my process and art as a whole ❤
@@roadrunneruntd yeah I also felt I was lacking because this sketch process takes much more time than other artists do. Which means I need to factor that in when I do commissions. I always saw the videos of artists doing their full pieces in only 6 hours. I'm like damn... I cannot do that lol.
But I think my art comes out way better taking time on the sketch, otherwise it won't look how I envisioned on the final lineart.
I've been drawing for about 7+ years
I sometimes end up with 5-10 layers of just the sketch before I'm satisfied.
"Chicken scratching" certainly has its place in terms of stylistic expression. That being said, I couldn't image using it for laying down the structural shapes and broad gestures for drawings. Using your fingers and wrists for those things and not your whole arm seems like a fast root to give yourself a repetitive strain injury.
Art has been used for fun, to bare your soul, to help with trauma, for stress, for pain, for mental health, for creativity - and then these people come along and start sucking the joy out of everything and pretending they know better, when really, art is subjective and they know nothing. They especially don’t know how to loosen up and not ruin everything for everyone.
I'll be honest, I have a personal love for the Chicken Scratch style. For me, I think I prefer it over a great many others, because of its sporadic in-the-moment qualities. While I won't turn my nose up at refined and well-polished pieces, there's something that's just elegant about the simplicity of Chicken Scratch that draws me in, no pun intended.
The rougher look gives it a more lively feel. The best comparisons that come to mind for me is like how Titian was snubbed by his contemporaries for his use of rougher and visible brush strokes, which ironically enough gave his paintings a fantastic sense of lighting and texture, and raw intensity that no one else could really pull off in the same way.
While I love Hieronymus Bosch's Garden of Earthly Delights for its polished and refined quality, there's also something charming about the rugged, honest and simple rough pencil/charcoal sketches done by Rembrandt that captured an instant of day-to-day life - always moving, never still or posing for him. I have a few framed sketches and rough drafts done during wartime by soldiers in the field - and there's an honest rawness to them that I adore.
Chicken Scratch is definitely not on the same level as the sketches of a genuine Master - but I think it still possesses the same core principles in that both are more spontaneous reflections of what the artist wants to present, with little to no touching up or significant refinement. For beginners, it's a great tool, and in the hands of an experienced artist, it becomes a fantastic style.
I won't diss people who don't like the style, but at the same time they really aught to know why they don't like it - and don't snub one of the mediums used by nearly every single artist since time immemorial, that's just punching above your weight class.
I think chicken scratch line art can be a stylistic choice when done actually intentionally for a particular aesthetic.
BUT with beginners, they do not really get how to do it. They lean into it because they don't understand how to actually move. They draw with their wrist rather than with their whole arm. But it isn't something to hate on.. it's something to either embrace like some artists have or to learn past. Plus it's very common in concept art and storyboarding where you need to get the loose general idea out quickly before it gets refined later in the process. Or in thumbnailing for illustration.
Edit: honestly the only reason I'm anti- chicken scratch is because usually it's usually accompanied by improperly holding your pen/pencil and improper posture, which can increase your risk of conditions like carpal tunnel.
I used to be an artist who said chicken scratch was part of my style. I still have loose, sketchy lines now, but they are actually CONTROLLED now and go exactly where I want them to.
I'm still kinda skeptical about saying chicken scratch is okay because, at least to me, chicken scratch by definition means you don't know how to control your lines. Not only is it harder to draw what you want when you can't control your lines, but like you said, it actually does cause quite a lot of hand pain that could lead to carpal tunnel!
@@LilChuunosuke I think it's ok as a stepping stone if that makes sense. Like it's a step towards what you mentioned, controlled sketchy lines. Everyone starts somewhere so I don't think they should be made fun of for it or anything like that. But I do think they should learn proper sketching methods and posture to avoid future medical complications.
It's something to be refined and improved upon rather than to rely on as a crutch so to speak. But vilifying it like tiktok does isn't gonna help anybody either. Going to such extremes is unnecessary lol
@LatulaArts 100% agree. Its a stepping stone. I could ONLY draw in chicken scratch up until a few years ago! Its been a gradual process of learning line control over multiple decades for me. I dont think I deserved to be shamed for it like tiktok is doing to other artists. I am thankful I was able to learn line control from kinder, more mature artists who simply wanted to help me improve and eliminate my drawing hand pain. Shaming artists doesn't help anyone and I fear will only make some artists double down on behaviors that are doing long term damage to their drawing hands.
I agree! Chicken scratch, at least for me, is doing very messy lines due to lack of skill and hand coordination. There is a big distinction between knowing how to draw in a clean way, but choosing to make a looser sketch to make it appear more alive, rather than doing a messy sketch due to the inability to draw in any other way.
Honestly, I don't see the point of calling any looser, but intentional way of drawing 'chicken scratch'. It's not the same thing
For me, I think it's a passage that new beginners usually do and there comes a time where they realize it's not helping their artstyle in the way they want it to be. They either lean into the chicken scratch thing and make it better or they try to do more confident strokes to lean away from it.
The only issue with chicken scratch is when you use it as a crutch to ignore gaps in your knowledge using “style” or it as an excuse to not improve. (Chicken scratch also can cause less confidence since it’s a “but it looks so much better” when the issue isn’t the lines but the foundation)
Still policing others ain’t it some people just want to draw for fun, it’s meant as unpolished or it is genuinely just the style with the good foundation
This is sad, and it makes me happy that I'm not engaged with these types of childish social media art communities. Seems to be a mess of half-teachings from young artists who don't have a good foundation or proper context for the things they say.
It's a shame too because it seems like this kind of childish social media banter is probably stifling younger artists and turning them away from art instead of encouraging them on their own art journeys.
Hol up,this again? Oh hell nah I’m out I’m becoming a music artist I can’t deal with this
i'm switching to stream fortnite
You're trying to escape discourse by switching to music production? lmao.
"Autotune is cheating!" "VST presets are cheating!" "Drum loops are cheating!" "Sampling is cheating!" "Never quantize your rhythms!" "Analog is better than digital!" "Digital is better than analog!" "Music theory is essential!" "Music theory hampers your creativity!" "When EQing, cut narrow, boost wide!" "Never EQ the master bus!" "Over-compression is ruining your music!"
@@aspthewyvern3622 damn bruh can I do anything
@aspthewyvern3622 ah, this makes me feel better
First, I agree with some people here - problem isn't people doing xx, problem is people trying to police what other people should and shouldn't do. Ultimatelly, its on them, everyone has their lines and dislikes and thats okay!
Second, I do agree with that one TT video you featured that said "chicken scratching isn't art style, its a bad habit". Mark put it nicely like you mentioned soon after - its about drawing from the wrist, that makes your lines lack confidence (which connects to your lineart looking like begginer tracing lineart from other more experienced artists). It isn't bad habit because it looks unprofessional or whatever the subjective reason for person's hate is. It is bad habit because drawing from wrist can cause vast majority of health problems artists commonly suffer with.
Sure, if you are edgy 14 year old, world feels invincible, if you are sore, you just walk it off or sleep it off and its hard to imagine it will ever be different. But it really doesn't work that way with body closer to 30. It just doesn't. Drawing from wrist puts huge tension on the wrist itself and its best way to develop carpal tunnel syndrome. Or even ulnar tunnel syndrom which is on same principe as carpal, but the nerve got stuck in the elbow, not in the wrist. It greatly impacts your ability to draw and fastest way to develop it is leaning on your elbow for support for long periods of time, which is what chicken scratching people usually do. Yea, maybe it can be good tool if you are begginer (even if I don't think so, because habits you build early on are HECKING hard to break as we all know), but the fastest you learn how to use your hand properly when drawing, the faster you adapt healthy habits and you save your body from hurting in a long run. So there is that.
And lastly, while I agree that what brings the energy into lines is that they are loose, but chicken scratching often lacks form and that just kills any energy vibe drawing could have had, at least for me personally. If you want loose, energetic drawings, holding your hand correctly when drawing gives that certain looseness to a drawing, which you will never get with chicken scratching. But thats my personal opinion.
In the end it is like my mama always said: "Your freedom ends, where freedom of another person starts". I, nor anybody else, has any right to prohibit people from liking something or doing something just because I personally don't like it. If you want to continue chicken scratching, be my guest. If you like it, great! If you have fun doing it, even better! Go nuts! Art is about having fun and loving what you are doing.
But please, do try and make sure you made informed decision, so you don't get caught off guard with consequences of your own actions. And that goes from my concern for you as another human being, not from me trying to tell you what to do or not to do. In the end, its your body, your choice and I can only respect that, even if I personally think that voluntarily drawing from the wrist is stupid decision.
Obligatory disclaimer: that is, if you have a choice - obviously disabled people often do not have that choice. But in that case, I assume that disabled people are already in contact with some kind of rehabilitation centre and that they are working with a specialist to make sure they are improving/stabilized their condition and that they won't hurt themseves further. But really, thats my european brain working with available health care, I have no idea how it works in different countries and if it is even a possibility in the US, but thats not the point of the video nor my comment :)
Otherwise, great video! Thank you!
My lineart nowadays is just cleaned up roughs lol. I find this process way more satisfying than having to redraw lines all over again and more cleanly. The aesthetic result is nice too imo
I also used to draw with pens a lot when I was younger, I loved hatching and crosshatching, so chickenscratching just feels natural to me
Edit: might also be worth mentioning that I use an Intuos, so there's way more human error when it comes to strokes, compared to drawing on an iPad or a display tablet
Beginner artists: *breath*
TikTok art community: “so you have chosen…death!”
Yey new video
Also i like Mohammed's shirt
yayyy!!! thankyou so much!!
Sheesh tik tok is toxic. chicken scratching allows you to explore the line and figure out what you want to draw and how you want to draw it. you can even refine the "Scratch" and make it look way cleaner if you want or turn it into clean line art later. Sometimes you want to be relaxed especially in the exploratory phase
People keep forgetting that art technically has no definition, since art is made by different people thus they have different styles. I love the chicken scratch art style anyways because i mean i can smooth it out, but if i keep making it so smooth, it looks bad. not my style basically.
Tldr, you shouldnt force yourself to have another persons artstyle! You art is truly unique to you, and what matters is if it looks good to you, not what other people will think!
I feel like the difference between bad chicken scratching and good chicken scratching is that we slowly size up the length between lines using tapered strokes
bro get this guy to milloin already he deserves more subs (AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY MAN HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!)
soon soon! hahah thankyou
@@MohammedAgbadi yw have a great day your my favorite!!!
As an artist myself i understand and view it as anything can be an art style, u just need to understand what u using, master it in ur own way, and use it in ur work to create an specific effect
Reminder to the fellow artists:
There is no "right" way to draw. Chicken scratching can actually look fucking awesome. Just have fun.
The whole Chicken scratch is very situational, sometimes it is a learning curb but I'll purposely chicken scratch certain parts of my drawings because I like the look of it (Like how i also color with primarily crayons/colored pencils bc I like the vibe of texurted coloring). Overalll most "bad" techniques can work for certain people. Art is COMPLETELY subjective and the tiktok art community (Most prominently,aside from twitter/X) doesnt seem to understand that not everyone wants smooth anime or hyper-realistic artstyles.
Personally, I see it as a tool. Both CS and CL need to be known and mastered, I personally use it for humans and organic beings, while I use more confident lines for anything mechanical, and I quite like how it looks!
PS: Happy birthday!
One of my favorite videogame box covers is the Mario Strikers box art. It's messy, it's chaotic, and I love it. It stands out compare to the other Mario Box styles since it has a personality of it's own due to the use of the chicken scratch art style. The art style isn't bad you just need to know when to use it.
OMG YES!!
I love this artstyle so bad, I’ve been trying to incorporate it in my drawing. Funny thing is, it’s not as easy as people would think, because you still need to know where the scratches needs to go in order to give the impression of movement. And yeah, it doesn’t look as good when the characters aren’t moving, so it’s really a question of use
I think people are confusing with Sketchy or Messy Sketch style vs Chicken scratch technique.
Being Sketchy style means trying to be dynamic and loose, trying to get that confident gestures and messy construction lines, as a personal look. It’s also done by artist to be creative and exploring new things, letting their hands go wild.
Chicken scratch technique is what beginner artist does in order to compensate with their lack of skills in order to imitate a "Clean straight line." done by professional artist. It’s OK if you’re just starting out, but later on you must learn to be versatile and be confident with yourself and must learn how to draw clean simple stokes. It’s the only way to grow as an artist.
Basically. Sketchy style is done purposely and with confidence. Chicken scratch technique show your lacks of confidence and sense of standard for your art.
@@inisipisTV Look, I do agree with you with the difference between the Chicken Scratch and just having a sketchy style (which is what the video is about : how TikTok doesn’t seem to make the difference), and although I’m pretty sure that’s not your intention, the last part of your message sound quite...condescending ?
Not everyone seeks to ”improve” and become a master. Some pick up drawing as a hobby, others as a way to vent or to keep themselves busy, and won’t go further than that. There’s nothing wrong with being happy about your art even if it’s not ”that” good, and/or if it lacks technique or whatever. Drawing should be fun first of all...
(Also, lack of ”standard of your art” is still not a reason to bully artists, beginners or not, which is also a main topic of the video)
when i was young i would get so frustrated on drawing the PERFECT line for a drawing that so many of my ideas have been scrapped because i couldn’t get the right angle on a line. a year or two ago i began this “chicken scratch” technique and it’s made me enjoy art so much more. it was more fun that way
As someone who tend to sketch in chicken scratch sometimes still, for me it comes due to my uncertainty of drawing specific parts of my base-sketch. However, I was taught that instead of scratching, simple, clean, loose and soft lines that can be easily erased if mistaken. I was also taught that chicken scratching is unprofessional.
I also started out in drawing back in April 2006. The only way that I could get down with chicken scratching is practicing simple lines and drawing not from wrist but with arm - just like Marc Brunet said and my teacher as well.
I don't think of the scratching as a style - more like a technique- but then again, some master it and looks cool!
Overall, I think everyone has their own techniques and style - and we should respect them instead of giving a lecture why it's bad. :)
Also, happy birthday! :D Keep it up man, I love your tips and channel!
Chicken scratch can be considered an art style if you know how to use it efficiently. If you master the traditional art then you can try to do some chick scratch art to see how it could be good.
But if you use Chicken scratch mindlessly and don’t really care about how to put it forward and make it look good, then yeah you can consider it not an art style.
It’s kinda disappointing the art community is like that because it covers most of the hidden gems.
And Tik Tok is not alone, the blue bird app does as well.
Also happy birthday man, you’re awesome and I can’t thank you enough for how based you are in this messed up community. Thank you for staying mostly neutral when showing what’s kickin in the dramas.
Have a nice day/night if you read all of this. You’re cool
*sits here with a tremor in my hand*
Yea hold on tiktok, let me just overcome this literal motion disability i can do pissall about to please you and be able to even make long continous strokes
Must also say, for the same reason i do not like mark very much as a teacher. He brings over this attitude of "anything other than i do is just plain wrong". Like that teacher that gives you minus points in math, because you got to the right solution with a different method than they taught and literally my first expeirnce with him was "Turn off stabilisation!" ... yea.... too generalized
The art community's obsession with "style" and "finding your style" exhausts me. It's at the point where lack of skill and random unconventional techniques are seen as an art style 😭 just draw what and how you like and thats your style. Stop obsessing over it i cryyyy
Also happy birthday
Honestly I'm just gonna start drawing in styles that TikTok hates just to piss them off 😂
Honestly, the second definition of chicken scratch that you mentioned with it being a technique is the best way to describe it for me (even tho I don't have tiktok or a single piece of social media and I'm just now learning about it today LMAO). And not just the styling that people like it's also the most comfortable way to make art, for me at least. I personally like the way my second or third sketch looks vs how a final draw with smoother lines would look cause to me it just LOOKS BETTER. Not everyone needs to draw with smooth lines and not everyone needs their sketches to look like rough sketch or whatever. If you wanna branch out and switch between the style of how your art looks or even blend smooth line art with chicken scratch, that's cool too! But you also don't have to nor does either version make your art look bad. It's fucking art at the end of the day lmaooo
I also appreciate these videos of yous and applaud you for dealing with the nonsense that spirals from that damn app, or IG or twt :v AND HAPPY BELATED BDAY GOOD SIR
Happy Birthday dude! I chicken scratch and tbh hate it when people go "B-but it's bad draw only straight lines!" Like I'm not a tattoo artist lol
thankyou!
Chicken scratching is a simple drawing technique, I mostly use it for sketching but it can be incorporated in different art pieces if it is better suiting than just clean strokes to give the illusion of texture or the portray of something etc..
I automatically let out a 'yay!' seeing that you uploaded a new video!! I love your content so much, your art aswell, you're one of my absolute favorite art youtubers!!! Wish you the best!!!!
I think we should encourage artists to be more confident in their lines even with their sketches because it will result in general improvement in the construction of their art as a whole. But i dont think we should be putting down artists who arent ready to step out of that comfort zone yet. We all know art is a process and improving your art consists of a lot of little baby steps. Your art is constantly improving and if dropping the chicken scratch will improve an artists work they'll figure it out eventually. Let people improve at their own pace.
Chicken scratch is just another artstyle; it's messy but sometimes that messiness can contribute to something like movement, and give more interest to something simple. Art is meant for experimentation and trying new things. These people need to get over themselves, climb off their high horse, and let people live.
Not to mention, that as many people said - it still could be cleaned later...
Of course, the artists just starting might have problems with cleaning lines, because they might only know chicken scratch, and have problem with more clean lineart - But if someone draws for years, this might be just a comfortable thing to start with more messy sketch, then clean it...
For example - I started some years ago, drawing with a chicken scratches, which led me to being heavily criticized on polish (and international, english speaking) art servers...
So for the last few years i tried to draw "cleaner sketches", with fewer lines... But in last few weeks, i returned to drawing more messy lines - but i don't use it as a crutch or final product, but basically as a sketch that i'm able to clean with more clean line later.
I've always used the chicken scratch "artstyle" because I feel it gives my drawings more personality, plus, if I want to clean it up later I always can
I absolutely love a scratchy messy style, but I’ve actually recently started working on making longer strokes and improving line confidence. It’s only been a couple of days but it’s going well!
From what I know, and from what I've heard, 'Chicken Scratch' is when you aren't confident in your lines, and so you do quick little strokes, almost afraid to commit to actually doing a line. Usually you can get rid of it by just doing some simple lines on a page to get used to drawing them. I have heard people say its a bad thing, due to how it looks, and honestly? I sorta agree? Its a beginners thing, in my experience.
yeah exactly. i feel like people on tiktok are also confusing the chicken scratch artstyle with just any drawing that looks very sketchy and loose even when the lines look solid and are confident
im not a beginner but i still do it because i find it better w my style (i have shaky hands too so i like doing it)
Chicken scratch is basically just poor line confidence, yeah. It's not chicken scratch if its controlled and intentional. Many artists simply outgrow it as they get more skilled with holding a pencil while others rely on it to draw at all due to a lack of fine motor control. The fact there's drama and fighting around it is ridiculous. TikTok is addicted to bullying beginners.
Okay people are just finding ANYTHING to hate on, I’ve been doing the ‘chicken scratch art style’ for as long as I can remember and never found a problem with it. People are just bored and want to find something to hate
(Also you look amazing man)
I love seeing new artist, as they're trying something new and I hope they continue. Plus I use chicken scratch a lot in my art when sketching
i genuinely love your content so much! i know this is your message in all your videos but i love that you understand people can draw however they want and people should never make fun of them for that, beginner or not! i love that you defend every innocent person in the art community that gets immense amounts of hate for virtually 0 reason besides people being @ssholes... even if they think their helping, if a person doesn't want criticism dont give it to them! art is meant to be fun, and i can easily see the art community dying down from the insane amount of negativity in it... so youre really what the art community needs right now, thank you!
I only use chicken scratch only in gesture drawing and it looks more like dinosaur scratch
LMAOOOO
Personally I like drawing with the "chicken scratch" manner mainly because I used to draw with pencil constantly. I like the look of it, and as someone who has the issue of shaky hands, it's easier for me to draw that way. (I mainly use it for a basic sketch then clean up the lines)
i watched this video at like 12 am then proceeded to use it to fall asleep to because you're voice was lowkey soothing
Man looking fresh on this vid, happy birthday. Yeah, I just assume Tik Tok doesn´t have anything to complain about, so they make things to complain about. The technique should be a choice from the artist, be it clean or messy.
These ppls heads would explode if they took an art class and had to learn gesturing
Seems like much of the TikTok community doesn't really know what "art" actually is.
I studied under professional animators and character designers and usually everyone roughed out sketches first, then drew clean lines on top. Nobody gave a shit how you drew your roughs. Nobody said a goddamn thing about chicken scratch, because it never mattered. All that mattered was the results, not what you did to get there.
I mean-
I only use chicken scratch for form the body base's and once im done, im slightly rubbing it in then redrawing the base in clean lines.
1:35 - this comment here really helps me encapsulate the tension I have about this topic. I sketch like this with just pencil and paper, and I never DO make more polished drawings; I'm just a hobbyist! Explaining it as a sketching or rough-draft technique really helps calm my anxiety about 'not doing it right' since professional artists can use this style, too, AND THEN they go further and make a polished drawing. That's the difference between me and the pros, I stop earlier, I don't put in as many hours per piece, and I don't have to, either! So thank you for doing this intro section that gives background on the topic so we're all on the same page
Wait....
TikTok is mad about [checks list] SKETCHES now???
lmfaoooo!!! there's a checklist now?! dayum!
@@MohammedAgbadi Better to be prepared and know what you might be up against than walking in blind, right? LOL
Tiktok is cancer 👍
Thanks for bringing up the disability part of things!
I have poor motor control due to many things, so I cannot draw with confident one shot lines even after years of practice. If something works for me, I'm using it !!
Unfortunately I cannot be a surgeon either like I wanted, so if I find a technique which allows me to do something I love, I'm gonna continue doing it
Thank you so much for the his video.
My art teacher is against chicken scratching and It always bugged me.
I feel I can draw like ME now with confidence.😌
ngl, a sketchy artstyle with lines exactly like described here is what I'd say is perfection for me
it's interesting, it has a lot of character and places for expression.
It's a learning point or a way to sketch out. I think it's ok if you don't have the confidence in line art yet, hell i still do that when getting the gesture and then try to "ink in" the lines to look nicer.
Bless you. I first saw this chicken scratch dissing on 4chan, years ago, and was really confused.
Happy belated birthday! As a chicken scratcher (who genuinely didn’t even know this was a discourse) I would just like to say thank you for constantly doing God’s work with this art videos, love ❤️
Happy Belated Birthday Man, you lookin sharp in that video
I use chicken art style in all my sketches, because I can't hold my hand stadily enough to make long strokes without a prepared sketch. I've done it on paper and I do it on digital. It's just easier. Plus I can clean up the sketch later and it still looks good :)
chicken scratch reminds me of the current jujutsu kaisen artstyle
I personally like keeping the scratchy sketch in my art, especially digital art. I lower the opacity a lot but you can still see the short "chicken scratch" sketch lines under the smooth, clean lineart. I think it gives the art a character and humanity that is sort of lost if you just see the final product and not the process. not saying it's bad to delete the sketch layer, im just saying this is what I do and artists should feel free to do whatever style they want
Bro HAPPY BIRTHDAY ❤ you look so good in this vid
As someone who posts regularly on TikTok, I caught NOTHING of all the drama😳 there was so much tea I missed? This is exactly why I follow you♡
You do look good Mohammed, happy birthday!
I never knew there was a name for this style, but this is how I start all my drawings. I think I do this because I have Aphantasia- the inability to visualize. It sucks, having a specific idea, but not being able to see how it looks. The only way I can SEE how something looks is to sketch it out, and I always tend for quick and messy, because I can refine the shape once I get the basics.
I take it Leji Matsumoto did nothing but "unprofessional chicken scratch" in that case? What a nonsense complaint for people to have. Excellent video.
From eldritch chicken scratch my art is born (though after a year of practicing lineart it’s all I can do now lol)
I've got a bit of aphantasia going on, which makes it quite difficult for me to even imagine what my drawing will actually look like before I've started drawing. Typically my drawings start with a layer of pretty incoherent looking scribbles that I use to kinda mould the proportions and figure of what I'm drawing. Even on paper I tend to use multiple sheets of thinner paper that I trace over when I want a clean sketch. The results of my drawing process is a bit chicken scratchy I guess. I've gotten better with practice, and for simpler poses I rarely even need this extra nonsense layer. But for anything dynamic, it's a must for me.
Great video, good points. I don't have tiktok so this sort of art-community stuff usually passes right by me.
I loooove sketchy lineart styles sm it gives so character and life. I love being able to see the brush strokes and almost makes the art look more detailed and complex? I don't do it much myself in digital art since i've always been a perfectionist; which is annoying because I always try to over-render to the point where it doesn't even look like the sketch anymore. I love doing traditionally because I can do more sketchy art styles but always find it kinda difficult to emulate it in digital without it looking overly clean.
I have to use it as well, because tremors and tics can't be corrected by stabilizer settings. Nothing makes you realize how much hate people have like being different.
Happy birthday fella! I used to draw with chicken scratch when i was newbie. I think it doesn't matter on sketching process.
LMAO 2 weeks late, happy very very belated birthday!! i recently subbed ever since i saw your channel and you're a very cool guy, who is passive or neutral about his opinions, well.. let's just say you're rather very patient and understanding about certain topics, and you stay calm about it. you have a good moral compass as well.
I wanna try chicken scratching now. I love messy drawings, i always thought that clean perfect lines were too boring but didnt know what to do about it 😭
I have been using it a lot and it helps me make my drawings look more "flowy" -- i use long flowy lines later in the art process after sketching
I literally have trouble doing thin, clean lines because I have dysgraphia, which essentially means my brain and hands do not cooperate when I'm trying to draw or write. I have very poor penmanship to the point where I can't even read what I write sometimes. Traditional art is pretty much impossible for me due to this as well - I'm worthless without stabilizers and transform tools ;P
I chicken-scratch when I'm sketching because that's simply how I can get the pose and composition down in the fastest way I can. For rendering, I purposely use chalkier brushes, and sometimes I even do painterly art that's mostly lineless. The gnarlier the brush, the more fun I have working with it. I don't force myself do something I don't like. It helps that I really love nostalgic storybook-esque art and I want my art to have that nice vintage + handmade look. I love "clean" art too, but I'm not going to sour-grape my way into justifying what I do - I just simply prefer art with a bit more texture to it
Same! Sometimes my hand just does whatever tf it wants, it's wild.
When I draw letters, it helps to do short loose sketching too, otherwise it looks terrible!
In my sketchbook I found that like 1 or 2 drawings there have been cleaned up a lot, the rest all have a handful of ultra sketchy lines and I'm happy with it that way
I love the look of Sketching, it looks so nice and traditional looking. Plus, I lean my pencil on my pinkie, which is not necessarily the right way to write, although, that's how my hand works.