Out of curiosity, what made you go with the strap version over DD? I’m on the fence between those options; all I’ve ever played were chain drives and felt like my consistent limit was around 230BPM
The belt drive has a feeling similar to the chain drive, softer at the beginning and progressively harder as you get closer to the drumhead. The direct drive is the opposite, hard at the beginning and softer as you get closer to the drumhead (that's some drummers describe it like if you go through the head). Being used to my old Pearl Eliminators, I preferred to buy something with a similar feeling. Plus the belt drive gives you more power than direct drive pedals and is way more precise than chain drive pedals since you have less parts to move in order to make the stroke (similar to the direct drive concept).🙂
@@NormanCeriotti Awesome, thank you! Took the Iron Cobras apart for fun and my bearings were seized up all around, so that might explain the low BPM limit. Still going to replace them once my new ones arrive.
@@VertigoGTI You are very welcome!! Yes, the ruined bearings could make things harder to play but 230 BPM is already a great tempo, congratulations!!😁😁 Keep up the hard work!!
So putting the swivel aside for a moment, is the key to the intermediate speed ankle technique forward pivoting? Is the ankle technique really a pivot technique?
I changed my techniques during the last years honestly to find an approach that's more natural and efficient for me. Now I play differently compared to the video. First of all, I don't use swivel anymore because I had some problems in my legs muscles because of overpracticing and lack of rest. I use pressure ankle motion instead from around 220/240 bpm on. For mid tempos (140 to 200 bpm or so), I used to play with a lot of ankles back in the days, but I found really hard to control the motion and be tight. Now I use a mix of full leg motion and ankle motion from 150/160 bpm up to 200 bpm, then I switch to ankles only up to 220/240 bpm. Up to 140/150 bpm it's full leg motion.🙂
@@NormanCeriottiThank you, I'll have to research pressure ankle -- never heard of it! I have been using two-notes-per-side swivel for many years, and I've only just now started to understand ankle technique.
@@johnknight9150 You are very welcome! Pressure ankle technique is what drummers like Kevin Paradis use. He is a real master at that and I tried to follow his approach and found it really good for me as well. In my recent videos and playthroughs you can see my approach with it, I've been using it since late 2019 but am still working on it. Swivel with two strokes per side sounds like ankle motion swivel like the one George Kollias uses, the one I used here was pressure swivel similar to the one Eugene Ryabchenko uses/used before doubles. Basically ankle motion swivel still rely on up and down motions of the foot while pressure swivel is basically just side motion, so you can't play with more than one stroke per side using the pressure one.🙂
@@NormanCeriottiTwo-per-side-swivel is a single-stroke technique I use across almost all tempos, except for stuff that's _really_ slow, such as sub-100 BPM. You can use it with heel-up, heel-down, flat foot, heel-toe -- anything you like. You just play a down and and up stroke on one side, and then play both strokes on the other. I recommend trying it first with something really primitive, like mid-tempo stomping: you'll find it really helps ease muscle burn and helps keep track of where you are in the stream of notes. If you want to play it efficiently, you play the up stroke while you're swivelling from one side to the other. I don't know why more people don't use it, it's so easy and so useful!
@johnknight9150 Thank you! Yes, that way you use different parts of the muscles switching from one side to the other, it should improve the stamina and relaxation while playing🙂
How much audible "punch" do these pedals emit without triggers? I love having chain pedals for the impact in practice and in a live setting, but I'm looking for a direct drive setup that is a good balance between fluidity and impact without the need for triggers.
It depends from the tempo you are playing at and from how long the double bass sections are. Up to 180/200 BPM i think it's audible, long rolls above those tempos get tough to be heard but short one could be powerful enough to cut through. This is a belt drive pedal by the way, it's in between chain drive and direct drive in my opinion.🙂
Thank you!!! It really depends in my opinion, if it fits the music then it is perfectly fine to use extreme fast stuff like this one. If you force it inside a track just to show you can do it, it just doesn't make sense to me. :)
Wow man so much control! It doesn't even look like your tension is very high. As someone who has used a bunch of different pedals including Eliminator Red Lines, Speed Cobras, DW4000/5000, and Trick Big Foot Black Widows, I find that the really expensive pedals are very heavy. Are the Darwins heavy at all? I really want to save up and get some for myself. They look incredible but I want to hear your opinion. I've gotten one from my friend Bryce Butler already.
Thank you so much man!!! I really appreciate!!! The springs tension is medium (with the heavy springs), ACD Darwins are glued to your feet already at low tension, so you don't need to tight the springs too much (unless you prefer that kind of feeling). These pedals are quick and reactive (not heavy at all, at least with the factory settings) but also really precise and easy to control. Anyway you can work on their settings and make them feel heavier or whatever you want, literally these pedals offer so many possibility you can find your perfect set up for sure!!! Mine is the belt drive version while Bryce owns the direct drive one. I've never tried the direct drive Darwins but I am really happy with mine, best pedals I've ever used!!! They are very powerful, precise and fast!!! If you have other questions, I'll be happy to answer!!! :D :D
@@NormanCeriotti Amazing man. Do you think that the belt drive would stretch over time? I've heard that the ones on Eliminators do. I really like the idea of belt drives though because it's not quite as loose as a chain and not quite as tight as a direct. Chains are harder to go fast with and directs are harder to control at slower tempos I have found... lol
I had the same idea at first but I've been using this pedal for almost a whole year and the belts are still perfect. You are correct, the belt drive combines power and control similar to a chain drive pedal with a fast response similar to a direct drive pedal, without feeling "weird" as sometimes direct drive pedals do.
How many years of active practising has this taken? I have been doing like 2-3 years really casually but im not getting nowhere xD left weaker leg is the problem. Right has superb power and control tough!
Hey man! When I shoot the video I had been playing for 8 years but seriously and working on the swivel technique just for 1 year or so. I think that "serious" year with focused practice and a goal in mind made me improve more than 7 "casual" years. In my opinion that's the key, having a precise goal in mind and making a routine of exercises to make it happen🙂
Starting to put a drum set together after not being able to play for a few years. As you are easily a god at double bass, what would you recommend as a great pedal for deathcore?
Thank you so much man, you are so kind!! It depends from your budget in my opinion. My pedals are ACD Unlimited Darwin and they are amazing to me but pretty expensive. I think Pearl Eliminators and Tama Iron Cobra are great pedals too and a lot more affordable.🙂
@@NormanCeriotti I'm really thankful for your help man, I have always been confused about what to buy. I just don't wanna spend money on something only to regret it later, you know? I was looking at the Iron Cobra a while back. Thinking I may try both the Eliminators and Iron Cobra out and put them head to head and see which I like more.
Hey man! That's brutal! Really impressed. Anyway, I'm kinda struggling to speed my ankle motion up. Any tips? I can do it from 150 to 160 BPM, and that's it hahaha
Thank you so much, I really appreciate! Speeding up your feet is a really long process, so be patient and stay motivated and you'll do it! Tempos from 140 BPM to 180 BPM are not so easy to control with ankle motion, I've been stuck there until two years ago. What helped me was trying to play for 10 minutes straight at 180 BPM for three times everyday (first time 8th notes with my strong foot only, second time 8th notes with my weak foot only and third time 16th notes with both feet). Obviously at first it won't be precise but the aim is to push yourself and do as many hits as you can with ankle motion everyday to build your muscle memory. I found really helpful also James Payne's Stone Killer exercise, you can find it on his channel. Start from 130/140 BPM and increase the tempo by 5/10 BPM at every repetition you do until you can. With that exercise you can work on controlling the ankle motion and applying it on grid. Anyway I'd highly recommend you Marthyn Jovanovic's Bass Drum Mastery, it really helped me lately! If you have any other questions, feel free to write me!
Hey, man. Did the darwins help you increase your tempo, or were you already able to play at these speeds on the eliminators? I have the eliminators now with the spring geometry upgrade, but I'm kinda stuck in the 200-210 area...
Hey man! I was able to reach around 310 BPM with swivel on the Eliminators, I have some videos about that on Facebook.🙂 Anyway with the Darwin pedals it was easier to maintain the motion and to save energy.🙂 When I recorded this video, I was already struggling with a leg muscles injury, so I couldn't go faster than 280 BPM with swivel. Because of this injury I had to change technique and started to work on the pressure ankle motion.🙂
It depends from the kind of music you play. For metal, especially extreme metal, it is a must. For other genres a double pedal isn't necessary, but working on it you could find some interesting patterns that fit well in every musical situation and it could be a cool feature of your playing.🙂
Norman Ceriotti sick! Yeah they certainly look it. A bit price prohibitive but ultimately seems worth it. I’ve owned multiple Axis pedals, both Trick versions, and just about everything else...the Darwin seems to be all the best bits from all those! 🔥 👟 👟 🔥
I actually got a set of Darwin FTW’s and they are pretty f’n sick! I’m still dialing them in but I’m pretty sure I found my setting! Direct drive cams, direct drive setting one down from top, footboard all the way forward, beater throw and peda height stock, maxed springs!
@@bdubzdrumz Great!! Mine are Gen 1 so are a little bit different. Anyway belt drive, 55/60 degrees beater angle, heavy beaters all the way out with wooden surface and additional weight, pedal board a little bit higher than standard and mid-high heavy springs tension.😁
Thank you so much!!! Anyway with practice and dedication everything is possible!!! Believe in yourself and stay humble and motivated, these are the keys!!! :D :D
@@NormanCeriotti man, I bought Iron Cobra Rolling Glide pedals and can't play more than 180 bpm already for two years... I tried all the technics and until now practising every day for 40 min(only legs) but it doesn't works for me, it works only for others
A trigger is needed if you play above 220 BPM or so. The bass drum is too big to produce a well defined sound at those tempos, it's just physics. Without a trigger the hits would be really muddy and hard to distinguish. It's not a problem of volume as most think but one of definition. Anyway it doesn't give you more speed or precision, you hear what I played, just with more attack in order to make it clearer. Believe me, playing with a trigger is way harder than playing without it. With triggers you can't make any mistake or it will be heard loud and clear. I used to think the same as you 4/5 years ago, before searching for information about triggers and their use. Starting to use triggers last year I noticed how harder it is, especially at first. Anyway in my opinion triggers are really helpful to improve bass drum technique so I highly recommend them even just for practice purpose. :) If you want to hear something without a trigger, check my drum covers and playthroughs before Pitagoras Audio started to help me mixing drums. Those older videos are all natural while the ones mixed by Pitagoras are just a mix of natural drums and samples.
Ahhhh the uneducated trigger nazis, think that triggers enhance your abilities but In Reality you have to play much tighter with triggers, you’ll here every mistake, without triggers it all blends together.
Norman Ceriotti You don’t need to justify, argue, defend, or explain yourself to ignorant people. Your work speaks for itself. Keep on rocking, you’re on the right path!!👍🙂
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I'm in the process of ordering a set of these pedals , nice work
Thank you very much!!! These pedals are great, I highly suggest them :D
Amazing! Great technique, man!
Thank you very much man!🙏
Reminds me of “Dawn of the Angry” from Morbid Angel
That song is amazing man!!!😄😄
Out of curiosity, what made you go with the strap version over DD? I’m on the fence between those options; all I’ve ever played were chain drives and felt like my consistent limit was around 230BPM
The belt drive has a feeling similar to the chain drive, softer at the beginning and progressively harder as you get closer to the drumhead. The direct drive is the opposite, hard at the beginning and softer as you get closer to the drumhead (that's some drummers describe it like if you go through the head). Being used to my old Pearl Eliminators, I preferred to buy something with a similar feeling. Plus the belt drive gives you more power than direct drive pedals and is way more precise than chain drive pedals since you have less parts to move in order to make the stroke (similar to the direct drive concept).🙂
@@NormanCeriotti Awesome, thank you! Took the Iron Cobras apart for fun and my bearings were seized up all around, so that might explain the low BPM limit. Still going to replace them once my new ones arrive.
@@VertigoGTI You are very welcome!! Yes, the ruined bearings could make things harder to play but 230 BPM is already a great tempo, congratulations!!😁😁 Keep up the hard work!!
Nice
Very clean
Thank you so much man, I appreciate!!!😁😁
Nice gear and nice work!👏🏻👍😀
Thank you so much man, I really appreciate!!!!
good sauce
Ahahah thank you!!!!
So putting the swivel aside for a moment, is the key to the intermediate speed ankle technique forward pivoting? Is the ankle technique really a pivot technique?
I changed my techniques during the last years honestly to find an approach that's more natural and efficient for me. Now I play differently compared to the video. First of all, I don't use swivel anymore because I had some problems in my legs muscles because of overpracticing and lack of rest. I use pressure ankle motion instead from around 220/240 bpm on. For mid tempos (140 to 200 bpm or so), I used to play with a lot of ankles back in the days, but I found really hard to control the motion and be tight. Now I use a mix of full leg motion and ankle motion from 150/160 bpm up to 200 bpm, then I switch to ankles only up to 220/240 bpm. Up to 140/150 bpm it's full leg motion.🙂
@@NormanCeriottiThank you, I'll have to research pressure ankle -- never heard of it! I have been using two-notes-per-side swivel for many years, and I've only just now started to understand ankle technique.
@@johnknight9150 You are very welcome! Pressure ankle technique is what drummers like Kevin Paradis use. He is a real master at that and I tried to follow his approach and found it really good for me as well. In my recent videos and playthroughs you can see my approach with it, I've been using it since late 2019 but am still working on it. Swivel with two strokes per side sounds like ankle motion swivel like the one George Kollias uses, the one I used here was pressure swivel similar to the one Eugene Ryabchenko uses/used before doubles. Basically ankle motion swivel still rely on up and down motions of the foot while pressure swivel is basically just side motion, so you can't play with more than one stroke per side using the pressure one.🙂
@@NormanCeriottiTwo-per-side-swivel is a single-stroke technique I use across almost all tempos, except for stuff that's _really_ slow, such as sub-100 BPM. You can use it with heel-up, heel-down, flat foot, heel-toe -- anything you like. You just play a down and and up stroke on one side, and then play both strokes on the other. I recommend trying it first with something really primitive, like mid-tempo stomping: you'll find it really helps ease muscle burn and helps keep track of where you are in the stream of notes. If you want to play it efficiently, you play the up stroke while you're swivelling from one side to the other. I don't know why more people don't use it, it's so easy and so useful!
@johnknight9150 Thank you! Yes, that way you use different parts of the muscles switching from one side to the other, it should improve the stamina and relaxation while playing🙂
Great work man!!!!
Thank you so much!!! I really appreciate!!!
How much audible "punch" do these pedals emit without triggers? I love having chain pedals for the impact in practice and in a live setting, but I'm looking for a direct drive setup that is a good balance between fluidity and impact without the need for triggers.
It depends from the tempo you are playing at and from how long the double bass sections are. Up to 180/200 BPM i think it's audible, long rolls above those tempos get tough to be heard but short one could be powerful enough to cut through. This is a belt drive pedal by the way, it's in between chain drive and direct drive in my opinion.🙂
Juste une question c'est possible d'aller au dessus de 280 BPM
Hello! Yes, of course! :)
Hey man :)
Great and smooth controlo with punch even at high tempos but please guys, don t play up to 230, it just sound crappy :D
Thank you!!! It really depends in my opinion, if it fits the music then it is perfectly fine to use extreme fast stuff like this one. If you force it inside a track just to show you can do it, it just doesn't make sense to me. :)
Are these also the Darwin triggers or just the Darwin pedals? Fair question.
Darwin pedals and On Trigger triggers
holy shit
Ahahahah thank you man, I appreciate!!!
Wow man so much control! It doesn't even look like your tension is very high. As someone who has used a bunch of different pedals including Eliminator Red Lines, Speed Cobras, DW4000/5000, and Trick Big Foot Black Widows, I find that the really expensive pedals are very heavy. Are the Darwins heavy at all? I really want to save up and get some for myself. They look incredible but I want to hear your opinion. I've gotten one from my friend Bryce Butler already.
Thank you so much man!!! I really appreciate!!! The springs tension is medium (with the heavy springs), ACD Darwins are glued to your feet already at low tension, so you don't need to tight the springs too much (unless you prefer that kind of feeling). These pedals are quick and reactive (not heavy at all, at least with the factory settings) but also really precise and easy to control. Anyway you can work on their settings and make them feel heavier or whatever you want, literally these pedals offer so many possibility you can find your perfect set up for sure!!! Mine is the belt drive version while Bryce owns the direct drive one. I've never tried the direct drive Darwins but I am really happy with mine, best pedals I've ever used!!! They are very powerful, precise and fast!!! If you have other questions, I'll be happy to answer!!! :D :D
@@NormanCeriotti Amazing man. Do you think that the belt drive would stretch over time? I've heard that the ones on Eliminators do. I really like the idea of belt drives though because it's not quite as loose as a chain and not quite as tight as a direct. Chains are harder to go fast with and directs are harder to control at slower tempos I have found... lol
I had the same idea at first but I've been using this pedal for almost a whole year and the belts are still perfect. You are correct, the belt drive combines power and control similar to a chain drive pedal with a fast response similar to a direct drive pedal, without feeling "weird" as sometimes direct drive pedals do.
@@NormanCeriotti Sweet man thank you so much for the info! I'm going to order them asap.
You are very welcome man!!! Enjoy them!!!
How many years of active practising has this taken? I have been doing like 2-3 years really casually but im not getting nowhere xD left weaker leg is the problem. Right has superb power and control tough!
Hey man! When I shoot the video I had been playing for 8 years but seriously and working on the swivel technique just for 1 year or so. I think that "serious" year with focused practice and a goal in mind made me improve more than 7 "casual" years. In my opinion that's the key, having a precise goal in mind and making a routine of exercises to make it happen🙂
@@NormanCeriotti thats sick!! Thanks for the answer!
@@juusoleino6631 You are very welcome man!😁
😮😮😮😮😮
Thank you very much!
Starting to put a drum set together after not being able to play for a few years. As you are easily a god at double bass, what would you recommend as a great pedal for deathcore?
Thank you so much man, you are so kind!! It depends from your budget in my opinion. My pedals are ACD Unlimited Darwin and they are amazing to me but pretty expensive. I think Pearl Eliminators and Tama Iron Cobra are great pedals too and a lot more affordable.🙂
@@NormanCeriotti I'm really thankful for your help man, I have always been confused about what to buy. I just don't wanna spend money on something only to regret it later, you know? I was looking at the Iron Cobra a while back. Thinking I may try both the Eliminators and Iron Cobra out and put them head to head and see which I like more.
@@kazukihiratani No problem at all man!!🙂 That sounds like a great idea!!
Hey man! That's brutal! Really impressed. Anyway, I'm kinda struggling to speed my ankle motion up. Any tips? I can do it from 150 to 160 BPM, and that's it hahaha
Thank you so much, I really appreciate! Speeding up your feet is a really long process, so be patient and stay motivated and you'll do it! Tempos from 140 BPM to 180 BPM are not so easy to control with ankle motion, I've been stuck there until two years ago. What helped me was trying to play for 10 minutes straight at 180 BPM for three times everyday (first time 8th notes with my strong foot only, second time 8th notes with my weak foot only and third time 16th notes with both feet). Obviously at first it won't be precise but the aim is to push yourself and do as many hits as you can with ankle motion everyday to build your muscle memory. I found really helpful also James Payne's Stone Killer exercise, you can find it on his channel. Start from 130/140 BPM and increase the tempo by 5/10 BPM at every repetition you do until you can. With that exercise you can work on controlling the ankle motion and applying it on grid. Anyway I'd highly recommend you Marthyn Jovanovic's Bass Drum Mastery, it really helped me lately! If you have any other questions, feel free to write me!
@@NormanCeriotti thanks a lot for answering man!
@@samuelbassani1845 You are very welcome, hope you'll find that useful!!!
Hey, man. Did the darwins help you increase your tempo, or were you already able to play at these speeds on the eliminators? I have the eliminators now with the spring geometry upgrade, but I'm kinda stuck in the 200-210 area...
Hey man! I was able to reach around 310 BPM with swivel on the Eliminators, I have some videos about that on Facebook.🙂 Anyway with the Darwin pedals it was easier to maintain the motion and to save energy.🙂 When I recorded this video, I was already struggling with a leg muscles injury, so I couldn't go faster than 280 BPM with swivel. Because of this injury I had to change technique and started to work on the pressure ankle motion.🙂
@@NormanCeriotti Gotcha! Thanks :)
@@AugustinasBeksta You are very welcome!🙂
unfortuntely too short! would like to hear more!
Thank you very much!! Yeah, I wanted to show two bars at each tempo for this video but I see for faster tempos it's a really short amount of time🙂
Is a double bass pedal worth it?
It depends from the kind of music you play. For metal, especially extreme metal, it is a must. For other genres a double pedal isn't necessary, but working on it you could find some interesting patterns that fit well in every musical situation and it could be a cool feature of your playing.🙂
Sick!
I’ve gotten some of the ACD upgrades for my other pedals but I’ve been strongly considering getting the Darwin.
Great man!!! The Darwins are amazing, I highly recommend them!!!
Norman Ceriotti sick! Yeah they certainly look it. A bit price prohibitive but ultimately seems worth it. I’ve owned multiple Axis pedals, both Trick versions, and just about everything else...the Darwin seems to be all the best bits from all those! 🔥 👟 👟 🔥
@@bdubzdrumz I've been playing Darwins since April 2018 or so and never had any problem with them, great products and super solid.😁
I actually got a set of Darwin FTW’s and they are pretty f’n sick! I’m still dialing them in but I’m pretty sure I found my setting! Direct drive cams, direct drive setting one down from top, footboard all the way forward, beater throw and peda height stock, maxed springs!
@@bdubzdrumz Great!! Mine are Gen 1 so are a little bit different. Anyway belt drive, 55/60 degrees beater angle, heavy beaters all the way out with wooden surface and additional weight, pedal board a little bit higher than standard and mid-high heavy springs tension.😁
so you like dis pedal?
Yeah man, it is a great tool!!! :D
Damn that's fast, no way i'll be able to reach that 280 bpm speed oO
Thank you so much!!! Anyway with practice and dedication everything is possible!!! Believe in yourself and stay humble and motivated, these are the keys!!! :D :D
@@NormanCeriotti I new it :D
@@AndriiMykhailovVPR :D
@@NormanCeriotti what about spring tension? ))
@@GridedNecroButcher I use it at medium :D
do you dig the iron cobra pedal?
Yeah! They are good pedals and easy to control🙂
@@NormanCeriotti man, I bought Iron Cobra Rolling Glide pedals and can't play more than 180 bpm already for two years... I tried all the technics and until now practising every day for 40 min(only legs) but it doesn't works for me, it works only for others
@@mattgarstkasfan8602 Maybe it is a settings issue or technique issue🙂 Write me on Facebook or Instagram if you want, maybe I can help🙂
@@NormanCeriotti thank you! Maybe I'll write you
@@mattgarstkasfan8602 No problem!🙂
Let's try to 560bpm
I can do 8th notes at that tempo 😁😁😁
Umm.....
?🙂
Now without triggers
A trigger is needed if you play above 220 BPM or so. The bass drum is too big to produce a well defined sound at those tempos, it's just physics. Without a trigger the hits would be really muddy and hard to distinguish. It's not a problem of volume as most think but one of definition. Anyway it doesn't give you more speed or precision, you hear what I played, just with more attack in order to make it clearer. Believe me, playing with a trigger is way harder than playing without it. With triggers you can't make any mistake or it will be heard loud and clear. I used to think the same as you 4/5 years ago, before searching for information about triggers and their use. Starting to use triggers last year I noticed how harder it is, especially at first. Anyway in my opinion triggers are really helpful to improve bass drum technique so I highly recommend them even just for practice purpose. :) If you want to hear something without a trigger, check my drum covers and playthroughs before Pitagoras Audio started to help me mixing drums. Those older videos are all natural while the ones mixed by Pitagoras are just a mix of natural drums and samples.
Ahhhh the uneducated trigger nazis, think that triggers enhance your abilities but In Reality you have to play much tighter with triggers, you’ll here every mistake, without triggers it all blends together.
@@coltonkramer2472 That's really true!!! :)
Norman Ceriotti You don’t need to justify, argue, defend, or explain yourself to ignorant people. Your work speaks for itself. Keep on rocking, you’re on the right path!!👍🙂
@@alstrange6055 Thank you very much man, these words mean a lot to me!!!! :) :)
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@@NormanCeriotti i get it that u can play fast but last one was too far bro😭