I like the way you guys broke it down into a few categories, I would put myself in the working class category and even tho I would probably prefer to ride the Kawi I would still buy the Yamaha for its reliability reasons
It's funny to read the negative comments about the MXA yearly shootouts, they are the only ones that actually give you a good broad view of the bikes. They do this by riding the bikes for months and putting different guys from Pro's to everyday weekend racers on the bikes, I can vouch for this because I see them doing this all the time if you have a question about a particular bike they pretty much will have the answer.
@@KylerRobinson I would say Vital is not doing what MXA is doing if they are no one has seen them racing and riding these bikes week after week like I see MXA
Reverb even gave short comparisons for the Gibson Les Pauls, mentioning that it will take long to understand the differences between the models, especially by year and construction. No problem.
Wait. So the KX weighs 234 and the CRF is at 233, yet the KX is 4 pounds lighter than the YZ and the CRF? Isn’t 233-234 equal 1 pound HEAVIER? Then later it is mentioned that the KTM (or husky) is like 14 pounds lighter yet the they weight 224 and CRF is 233, 224-233 appears to be 9 pounds, NOT 14 pounds. Are you guys looking at a data sheet from 2020 yet showing numbers on screen from 2021 or WTF is up with all the mistakes?
Its a GREAT bike really. Ride it! Its sweet. U prob can't use all the tech of the bikes anyhow. I can't. Im good but I'm a vet rider now. I have much more $ than skill. Lol. I have a '21 YZF450 & '21 Raptor 700R-SE! Good? Ride!
Thanks for posting, interesting to watch the current bikes. I'll keep my zero hour CR500R in the shed and keep riding my from new '04 KX500 when I can.
@@EarthSurferUSA i too have an engineering degree tho have been into MX bikes & ATVs since 11yrs old. Things have changed but mostly for the better in all ways. Plastic has gotten thinner i agree. 2 reasons only. Save weight & $. Get can Maxima MC1 spray wax detailer & buff her up. Otherwise enjoy prob the best running 250cc 2-stroke dirtbike ever made & a wide purchase i think. As an engineer very surprised you didn't go w/much higher tech 250 or 450 4-stroke!? Must be a nostalgia thing. Im into 4 strokes an enjoy keeping my machines in top order. Litely modifying & analyzing components & choosing the best engine oils (Maxima/Belray/Mobil1 4T). Fuels. Riding techniques etc. Get a NEW 4-Stroke u will appreciate the updated....everything. LOL
@@EarthSurferUSA Yamaha plastic is the worst! I had a Yamaha and in no time it looks like crap. Yeah you can use all kinds of products on the plastic but it still doesn't excuse how absolutely horrible the plastic is. The bike itself was bulletproof reliable and amazing suspension but dang that plastic.
I don't know how much of this applies to today but I remember on the Hondas I owned 20 years ago, I was always amazed by the way the front fender could bend and twist and never break or lose it's shape. Didn't even get scratched very much. On the other hand the trails where I liked to ride were littered with green plastic.
I’ve had a Yamaha - extremely reliable and great suspension but a tank. I have a Kawasaki - solid performer but large and not the highest end parts. I have had KTM’s and they are reliable, great parts and light. I currently have the 2021 ktm 350xcf and the suspension is surprisingly good. Love how stable the bike is too.
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Awesome reviews!! Love the specific and very detailed feedback (whether folks agree with it or not), very thoughtful and seems genuine. Also, incredibly helpful! My only reco would be for next time, not only to mention why win versus why not, might be to further elaborate on your opinions on what type of rider or rider purposes each bike may excel or be hindrance. For example, I own ‘21 YZ450F - bike is def big/tall, wide, loud, etc., but I’m 6’ 4” and 220 lbs and the bike was my prefered given size and I know everyone mentions noise from airbox...I must be deaf, because it doesn’t bother me a bit. Actually kind of helps in some ways hear wear engine is at in rev/powerband.
Take the blinders off and ride the 2021 FC450....... No mods, just set the sag adjust the levers and ride it. Way different than last years bike. Never thought I say any air fork is good out of the box but WP keeps making them better. This bike just plains handles.......
Good eval as usual with lengthy testing. Strengths/weaknesses well explained. That said, 99% of the riders(except the pros) can't use all the horses that these bikes put out so a lot of it comes down to what YOU feel the most comfortable on.
Kawasaki has one and half horsepower less than the other brands so this is a reason to " not win" the shootout" HONDA had 60 horsepower the last couple of years. It was too powerful and that was a reason " not to win". MXA can always find the "reason" for the Japanese to lose or for the Austrian bikes to win. If Austria was making the shootout it would be less bias
The Austrian bike's always win because THEY'RE BETTER ! Backward engine's (yzf) , dual exaust (crf) , outdated everything (rmz). Thank God Honda ditched the dual exaust but how long did it take for Honda to put the map switch on the handlebars? Hydraulic clutch? The weight of the bike's is huge too , none of the Japanese bike's are even close to how lightweight the Austrian bike's. Let's not forget the CNC machined triple clamps , CNC machined hubs , Brembo brakes , push button on the fly traction control , air box that requires zero tools to take off & the WP air fork that gives you way more adjustability than the spring forks. The Japanese need to step their game up , Honda is the only brand out of all of them that I see going in the right direction.
@@pauldayton5285 don't get me wrong. I never said that the Austrians bikes are not good. On the contrary i dont criticize ktm, i criticize MXA. If you see other magazines shootouts ( and i bet you do) you will see a huge difference on the results. MXA is soooo biased to ktm. This is going on for so many years, it became predictable and ridiculous at the same time.
I laughed when you guys said that the green plastics on the kx lose their shine . I own a 2021 husky 350 and one ride and the white plastics look TERRIBLE and you don’t mention that at all ...lol
@@KingShadows23 yeah for sure . It’s not ideal . Looks cool when clean but hard to keep that way . Orange and green are thee best colors for looking good long term . Blue is no good . Shows white scratches . Just though tis was funny that they randomly picked out one bike . The shootout is a joke really
You have a lot of errors in the video. For example at 9:00 you say kawasaki is lighter than honda, but on the screen you put the hondda weight at 233lbs and the kawasaki weight at 234lbs. Since when is 234 less than 233? LOL!
Questions... Will a KTM or GasGas subframe bolt directly onto the Husky? I've read and heard reports about the composite subframe on the Husky being somewhat brittle and damaged in crashes and tip overs. If what I've just typed is completely unfounded and garbage, let me know.... Did you eventually get the 2021 RMZ and try the ECU tuner? If you did, just wanted to know your impression(s) and if it could change to RMZ power characteristic (ie. add some more top end) without destroying the low to mid power that Suzuki is known for. I realize the Suzuki is dated is so many ways and it's age and lack of innovation may make the tuner completely irrelevant. I'm just curious. Thanks for the review. As always, it is excellent and well worth the wait. Looking forward to your next one.
@@seuvagem1950 I don't remember anyone complaining about those things. But if there's 11 different maps and you can't tell which map you're in from any indicator or they make little difference on the track between each other then that's confusing
I just bought a 2022 te300i husqvarna and now I kind of want to ad this one but not replace my 2014 kx450f because I love it and I already sourced out a 2022 FE-501s Love the husqvarna product I still love Kawasaki over the others but damn did husky do a great job on everything
Takeaway.... all of these bikes are more then 99.9% of us can handle in any scenario and any of us could buy any bike in the shootout and never tap its full potential. That’s right I said it, everyone was thinking it and now it’s out there, can’t be taken back 🤷♂️ lol
I have a 2020 450. The brake pedal, where the clevis gets attached to, you can grind/cut off a MM or 2 of the threads.(9:43) I added 30cc of oil to each fork.(9:45)(Michael Lindsay recommended it in his video of the 2020) I went down to a 240mm rear rotor(order 2018 450 OEM caliper mount and a 240mm rotor, that's all you need).(9:53) I never had the engine overheat with regular radiator fluid in it, but after the first few hours, I did go to Engine Ice cause I'm sponsored by them.(9:55) After the allen head bolts rounded off in the fork guards, I switched them to the traditional 8mm bolts like the 18 & earlier models. the air filter is a bit of a PITA. and it gets dirt/mud caught behind the case saver for the chain(with or without the black plastic protector.) for the slide and guide, I don't feel they wear out to quick. I'm only on my second set with 56 hours on it. Order the Acerbis replacements, they're less than half the price of OEM.
That's what everyone say about Honda way back in the day.You must be young. MXA is completely 100% unbiased and there is NO ONE out there more qualified to bring you this shootout. You are free to buy or like whatever flavor you like. Thank you MXA for all your hard work as usual. The best bike always wins. This big 4 have been playing catch up for years now and they just can't get there... yet. If they would learn nd ditch the aluminum frame maybe they could touch KTM, GAsGas or Husky. Buyers are so brainwashed into aluminum. It's the cool factor and that's all some care about.
Ya because they are the best in the biz right now lol. Why are some so scared to admit that. I love honda and yamaha but KTM by far has the best bikes, ita not even close really. The amount of time and effort they put in to each one of their models is unmatched. The are CURRENTLY the best brand out there by a country mile
@@-PlayMaker- not even close plz a fast person can be fast on whatever not to mention most get the bike and change it for them anyways. i have a 2018 honda and love it vital mx said it was there best bike that year at the end of the day its all opinions from test riders tbh. if they really wanted to see what the best is no bias period get 30 random people at the track to test. with that being said i want a 2020.5 ktm factory edition best looking bike period just not a fan or air forks
@@garrett3234 no shit I never said that wtf... for the average person KTM is the best bike and like I said it isn't close lol at all. KTM has so many different models for the consumer to chose from so they get exactly what they want and its always perfect from factory. None of the ECU issues, no over complicated mapping and control systems, great power and fantastic reliability as well and excellent parts availability if something does go wrong. The R&D KTM puts in IS unmatched and that is a fact not opinion.
@@-PlayMaker- Bro Ktm is not leaps and bounds better for the price they are 1k more. i would like one for the track but come on i would like to see number of sales cause i doubt it is even the best seller tbh. Aer forks are ass and the avg person will hate those regardless of how they upgrade them they will always feel worse than spring. Air forks arent new but Ktm dont want to swallow there pride like Honda and drop the
I'm still at a loss as to why the bike prices between countries are so different. In Australia these are the prices in AUD... FC450- $13550 YZ450F- $13499 450SXF- $13345 CRF450R- $13098 MC450F- $12540 KX450- $12348 RMZ450- $11690 Why ktm's are $800USD more than the others over there is quite odd
@trav3510 trav3510 maybe over there but in Aus I'd say Yamaha is massively overpriced, the yz250 is only $200AUD cheaper than the 250sx and the damn thing is almost 15 years old!!!
Wouldn't the Gas Gas be the best bargain? They said it in the shootout that the Austrian bikes are all extremely close. The Gas Gas is almost $1000 cheaper than the winner of the shootout and it's less than $1000 more than the Suzuki... Cheaper doesn't always mean the best bargain. It's what you're getting for your money.
And you don’t have to kick start the gas gas ... you’re 100% right I thought the same thing . I think they trying to keep all of the manufactures happy and giving them Free bikes ...
You guys don’t mention the Austrian bikes weakest point, it’s engine braking. On the works edition test, you note how much better the bikes are thanks to the new app. So it’s strange that you don’t talk about it, regarding the stock version. Or could it just be that you have been bias on KTM for years?...
Can someone explain me the difference between the 2017-2020 and 2021 rear wheel on the crf450r please. I have 3 set of the 2017+, and i just purchase the 2022 450r Thank you guy's
Not necessarily, same amount of leg room from the foot pegs to the seat. Husky sits a little lower to the ground, so would technically be better for a shorter rider being able to put their feet on the ground but wouldn’t really be better or worse for a taller rider
Looks to me like you guys are trying to keep in the good graces of as many manufactures as you can by giving out trophies to everyone . So the crf is the best pro bike but only if you change exhaust , suspension , ecu and basically everything else about it ? Wtf? And RMZ best value for money ? Nearly the same price as the rest of the bikes and you gotta kick the thing to start it ?? Once again . Wtf?
I would buy a Suzuki if their bikes were up to date with the rest of modern bikes, but I can buy a used 2019 Honda 450 for a cheaper price and it’s still a better bike.
Yeah ok nice but what if I want the best bike that starts with K and looks green?!? That’s something that no KTM, Husqvarna, Honda, Yamaha, Gas Gas, etc. can beat!!!
because so far the concept has not proven to be an improvement in anyway, YZF450 has never once been picked as the best handling (or even in the top three best handling) since the backwards engine was introduced
@@Sleepy.Time. it's weird how they tried centralising the weight by dropping the fuel tank down and putting the airbox up but the yz is still the most top heavy bike!!! Imagine if they didn't how heavy it would feel!!!
@@Sleepy.Time. bro the Yamaha has by far the most stable chassis especially in straight lines, you either have a bike designed for stablility or cornering, Yamaha chose stability, ktm chose cornering
@@marcusbevz6500 I have not owned one so im just going off what others have said. The Yzf250 is amazing but for some reason a lot of riders struggled to get the 450 to work for them (Stewart, Millsaps and Webb come to mind).
Love the shootouts but do have one small nitpick. When he says to change the shock on the RMZ 450 and not touch anything else, why say that? People should do whatever they want to a bike and they make it abundantly clear that it's not keeping up with other bikes in terms of power. I get the guy is a pro (he tells us a lot) but he used the same line last year on the rmz 450 and just seemed unnecessary. I don't own a rmz 450 but after hearing him it makes me want to get one and trick it out. Was it his plan all along??? Suzuki spy??
Who cares that the bike has no major changes to this year's model? Seems irrelevant to me. What is relevant is how good it is compared to other bikes, updates or not. Still worth mentioning ofcourse, but should not be a factor in the ranking.
Their GP (road) bikes are dialed. The off-road game needs a MAJOR boost. Suzuki make moeny in other markets apparently, such as commuter bikes in India.
@@jaysmokey I just hate to see them not even trying to compete with the other brands. Go back to the chrome olly frame, add electric start, maybe tweak the frame design a little, lighten it up and they could be right up there with Honda, and Husky.
lol this video clowned honda's entire bike and at the end says the pros would use the honda over them all? & basically said that the austrian bikes are superior in almost every way. i'm confused...
Finally.. someone figured out how to make a big with a little less travel and a little shorter... the perfect recipe. Thank you Husky:-)
I like the way you guys broke it down into a few categories, I would put myself in the working class category and even tho I would probably prefer to ride the Kawi I would still buy the Yamaha for its reliability reasons
It's funny to read the negative comments about the MXA yearly shootouts, they are the only ones that actually give you a good broad view of the bikes. They do this by riding the bikes for months and putting different guys from Pro's to everyday weekend racers on the bikes, I can vouch for this because I see them doing this all the time if you have a question about a particular bike they pretty much will have the answer.
facts
What about vital mx
@@KylerRobinson I would say Vital is not doing what MXA is doing if they are no one has seen them racing and riding these bikes week after week like I see MXA
@@KylerRobinson I only trust MXA
Reverb even gave short comparisons for the Gibson Les Pauls, mentioning that it will take long to understand the differences between the models, especially by year and construction. No problem.
Damn, sad to see the prices on the bikes are so high now.
there the same its just your dollar is worth no more than a turd in the toilet
it's cute that everyone got a participation trophy....
I hate 2021
@@jimmyjones3680 what
All but kawi
Suzuki & kawi should have gotten certificates of acknowledgment.
Rey D_fr I’d gladly take a suzuki for 8k brand new I’m not racing I just do free riding
Some one didn’t wash that gasgas to well😂
Wait. So the KX weighs 234 and the CRF is at 233, yet the KX is 4 pounds lighter than the YZ and the CRF? Isn’t 233-234 equal 1 pound HEAVIER? Then later it is mentioned that the KTM (or husky) is like 14 pounds lighter yet the they weight 224 and CRF is 233, 224-233 appears to be 9 pounds, NOT 14 pounds. Are you guys looking at a data sheet from 2020 yet showing numbers on screen from 2021 or WTF is up with all the mistakes?
Apparently I made the right choice with my yamaha lol
Never go wrong with a Yamaha 👍
Most reliable ready to race bike out there.
Yamaha BARKS
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Won't ride anything but yamaha. Blu cru for life.
Idc if Suzuki has the worst specs. They always look the best IMO and they’re cheap af
They are still great bikes, for us average joes the brand really doesn’t matter and I’m a Honda man
“first and foremost the 2020 rmz 450 isn’t gonna win any shootouts”😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 had me dying haha sick vid
Bro I know 🤣😂🤣😂
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I can remember when KTM sucked and Suzuki was ass kickin'....... but , I also have watched a few 45min motos
Its a GREAT bike really. Ride it! Its sweet. U prob can't use all the tech of the bikes anyhow. I can't. Im good but I'm a vet rider now. I have much more $ than skill. Lol. I have a '21 YZF450 & '21 Raptor 700R-SE! Good? Ride!
Thanks for posting, interesting to watch the current bikes. I'll keep my zero hour CR500R in the shed and keep riding my from new '04 KX500 when I can.
What a garage😍 always dreamed of having a Cr 500. I have a crf 450 for now
When are you guys going to do the 250s
The reasons they have for not liking these bikes are ridiculous 😂 “the plastic loses its shine”
I mean it does matter and that is something to mention
Yea, that's how good they all ARE! Get a Suzuki if get good deal or good dealer nearby. I went new '21 Yamaha & very happy!
@@EarthSurferUSA i too have an engineering degree tho have been into MX bikes & ATVs since 11yrs old. Things have changed but mostly for the better in all ways. Plastic has gotten thinner i agree. 2 reasons only. Save weight & $. Get can Maxima MC1 spray wax detailer & buff her up. Otherwise enjoy prob the best running 250cc 2-stroke dirtbike ever made & a wide purchase i think. As an engineer very surprised you didn't go w/much higher tech 250 or 450 4-stroke!? Must be a nostalgia thing. Im into 4 strokes an enjoy keeping my machines in top order. Litely modifying & analyzing components & choosing the best engine oils (Maxima/Belray/Mobil1 4T). Fuels. Riding techniques etc. Get a NEW 4-Stroke u will appreciate the updated....everything. LOL
@@EarthSurferUSA Yamaha plastic is the worst! I had a Yamaha and in no time it looks like crap. Yeah you can use all kinds of products on the plastic but it still doesn't excuse how absolutely horrible the plastic is. The bike itself was bulletproof reliable and amazing suspension but dang that plastic.
I don't know how much of this applies to today but I remember on the Hondas I owned 20 years ago, I was always amazed by the way the front fender could bend and twist and never break or lose it's shape. Didn't even get scratched very much. On the other hand the trails where I liked to ride were littered with green plastic.
I’ve had a Yamaha - extremely reliable and great suspension but a tank. I have a Kawasaki - solid performer but large and not the highest end parts. I have had KTM’s and they are reliable, great parts and light. I currently have the 2021 ktm 350xcf and the suspension is surprisingly good. Love how stable the bike is too.
KTM & Yamaha in my garage right now all newer. Can't go wrong! Love em. My garage is a veritable bike shop /showroom lol. My bikes are ultra well maintained & shine/look like new. #Ride4life #Fox #Ford #Ohioracing
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I’m a Honda guy all day but Honda has a lot of work to do for that top spot but you can’t beat the way they ride I love a Honda
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The only shoot out that can be trusted.........
yup
I think the RM Suzuki 450 should win the shootout because it has a kickstarter. 🇨🇦🇺🇸🇲🇽4ever!
Suzuki's a piece of sh!T
Andrew, don’t say that to bubba! 🇨🇦🇺🇸🇲🇽4ever
@@andymilkos3164 hahaha damn
@@andymilkos3164 I guess you've never heard of KTM...🤣
@@andymilkos3164 Are you too weak to kick a bike?
I love the look and color of the Suzuki. If they updated their motor they would get so many more sales
Super review of the 450 cc bikes mxa good job👍
as far as the 2020 and 2021 RMZ 450 being the same, for 2021 they have introduced plug and play mapping which can be done from a phone.
Totally disagree with what you said about yamaha air filter and intake its absolutely brilliant soooo easy to maintain.
Awesome reviews!! Love the specific and very detailed feedback (whether folks agree with it or not), very thoughtful and seems genuine. Also, incredibly helpful! My only reco would be for next time, not only to mention why win versus why not, might be to further elaborate on your opinions on what type of rider or rider purposes each bike may excel or be hindrance. For example, I own ‘21 YZ450F - bike is def big/tall, wide, loud, etc., but I’m 6’ 4” and 220 lbs and the bike was my prefered given size and I know everyone mentions noise from airbox...I must be deaf, because it doesn’t bother me a bit. Actually kind of helps in some ways hear wear engine is at in rev/powerband.
Take the blinders off and ride the 2021 FC450....... No mods, just set the sag adjust the levers and ride it. Way different than last years bike. Never thought I say any air fork is good out of the box but WP keeps making them better. This bike just plains handles.......
Good eval as usual with lengthy testing. Strengths/weaknesses well explained. That said, 99% of the riders(except the pros) can't use all the horses that these bikes put out so a lot of it comes down to what YOU feel the most comfortable on.
Kawasaki has one and half horsepower less than the other brands so this is a reason to " not win" the shootout" HONDA had 60 horsepower the last couple of years. It was too powerful and that was a reason " not to win".
MXA can always find the "reason" for the Japanese to lose or for the Austrian bikes to win.
If Austria was making the shootout it would be less bias
The Austrian bike's always win because THEY'RE BETTER ! Backward engine's (yzf) , dual exaust (crf) , outdated everything (rmz). Thank God Honda ditched the dual exaust but how long did it take for Honda to put the map switch on the handlebars? Hydraulic clutch? The weight of the bike's is huge too , none of the Japanese bike's are even close to how lightweight the Austrian bike's. Let's not forget the CNC machined triple clamps , CNC machined hubs , Brembo brakes , push button on the fly traction control , air box that requires zero tools to take off & the WP air fork that gives you way more adjustability than the spring forks. The Japanese need to step their game up , Honda is the only brand out of all of them that I see going in the right direction.
@@pauldayton5285 don't get me wrong.
I never said that the Austrians bikes are not good. On the contrary i dont criticize ktm, i criticize MXA. If you see other magazines shootouts ( and i bet you do) you will see a huge difference on the results.
MXA is soooo biased to ktm. This is going on for so many years, it became predictable and ridiculous at the same time.
@@andreasstefanou5898 I'm just talking Shit bro , I'm laid up injured right now & bored as Hell. I get what you're saying.
@@pauldayton5285 Ktm isn’t better 😂😂
@@chazzgonzalez1356 Ok Chazz😂
Which one did the riders like the most?
And which one got the most consistently fast lap times?
Great shootout. Appreciate the hard work you guys put into evaluating these bikes.
Please turn down the gain on those mics. Your audio is peaking so badly.
You can always gain it a bit in post without getting too much noise.
I really like the fact that the Vet racers got to choose over a two month time.
Wouldn't the last years new crf450 be the best bargain?
And a better bike too lol
@@StrykerV8 better lookin too
@@dalefitzgerald4369 no way
Good POINT
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YESSSSSSS!!! Best lunch break entertainment ever!
Same here!
I got a honda but I'm itching on if i should buy the hus 350 or ktm 350
I laughed when you guys said that the green plastics on the kx lose their shine . I own a 2021 husky 350 and one ride and the white plastics look TERRIBLE and you don’t mention that at all ...lol
They all do it, Thought that was funny too lol.
that would go against the Husky love, only applies to others
i just think white on dirt bikes dont go very well.. just my opinion though
@@KingShadows23 yeah for sure . It’s not ideal . Looks cool when clean but hard to keep that way . Orange and green are thee best colors for looking good long term . Blue is no good . Shows white scratches . Just though tis was funny that they randomly picked out one bike . The shootout is a joke really
when you will test beta and tm?
When they become relevant
Great job MXA ! You make me want a new bike every year. Haha
You have a lot of errors in the video. For example at 9:00 you say kawasaki is lighter than honda, but on the screen you put the hondda weight at 233lbs and the kawasaki weight at 234lbs. Since when is 234 less than 233? LOL!
Yeah deckard 👌👆
Pretty sure they were looking at the numbers from 2020 half the time. That's why 4 of the bikes have EXACTLY the same dyno results from last year
You also have an error in your comment.
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the Husky is like a surgical blade
About time the Suzuki won.
They always win for the heaviest slowest bike
@@NickW90 are they heavyer than Kawasaki?
@@MDaDonLegacy Suzuki need to get their shit together with the mx bikes. Their road GP bikes are on point.
@@Team_Banchamek did you even watch the video they are by far the heaviest bike with the lowest peak hp
Hahaha
Questions... Will a KTM or GasGas subframe bolt directly onto the Husky? I've read and heard reports about the composite subframe on the Husky being somewhat brittle and damaged in crashes and tip overs. If what I've just typed is completely unfounded and garbage, let me know.... Did you eventually get the 2021 RMZ and try the ECU tuner? If you did, just wanted to know your impression(s) and if it could change to RMZ power characteristic (ie. add some more top end) without destroying the low to mid power that Suzuki is known for. I realize the Suzuki is dated is so many ways and it's age and lack of innovation may make the tuner completely irrelevant. I'm just curious. Thanks for the review. As always, it is excellent and well worth the wait. Looking forward to your next one.
It won’t bolt directly. You will have to fit ktm/gasgas tank, seat, airbox and plastics aswell
@@GeniusEnis
Thanks man. Just something g I was curious about. Appreciate the response.
a friend of mine put a ktm subframe on a husky frame and all ktm plastics.
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You guys should test ride the Chinese el Cheapo's SSR and GPX their selling for just over $5000
Nah... just put them in the dumpster
You hop on one of those you risk dying lmao
Good information. What older year would yall reccomend then for all around bike..?
What about availability of OEM parts. Honda 1-3 day shipping for everything.
Disappointed in honda. They were onto something with the 17-20 platform
Yep if I was buying a new Honda tomorrow I’d be tracking down a 2020 those things were amazing to ride
Honda is trash these days.
5:53 this is what I call impartial journalism. The bike is bad for having 11 maps of ignition, launch control and traction control.
It's not bad journalism, they are right. Its is a confusing mechanism.
@@caydenthompson126 I bet people said the same thing, when they started doing 4 strokes for MX. Or when they introduced electronic injection ...
@@seuvagem1950 I don't remember anyone complaining about those things. But if there's 11 different maps and you can't tell which map you're in from any indicator or they make little difference on the track between each other then that's confusing
@@jaysmokey it would be nice to know which maps are there and which one you're in on the fly. That's the whole point of the map switch
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Why are the dyno numbers for 4 of the bikes THE EXACT SAME as the 2020 numbers? Was this a mistake or did you not dyno them?
How do I ride the 21 factory edition and everything said about the suspension is the exact opposite 😂
I just bought a 2022 te300i husqvarna and now I kind of want to ad this one but not replace my 2014 kx450f because I love it and I already sourced out a 2022 FE-501s
Love the husqvarna product
I still love Kawasaki over the others but damn did husky do a great job on everything
Now I am up in the air on getting a husky or ktm ......
Takeaway.... all of these bikes are more then 99.9% of us can handle in any scenario and any of us could buy any bike in the shootout and never tap its full potential.
That’s right I said it, everyone was thinking it and now it’s out there, can’t be taken back 🤷♂️ lol
im not a fanboy for any company , i buy bikes based on what color seems right for me at the moment . I bought the 2021 kx 450 6 months ago , love it .
I have a 2020 450.
The brake pedal, where the clevis gets attached to, you can grind/cut off a MM or 2 of the threads.(9:43)
I added 30cc of oil to each fork.(9:45)(Michael Lindsay recommended it in his video of the 2020)
I went down to a 240mm rear rotor(order 2018 450 OEM caliper mount and a 240mm rotor, that's all you need).(9:53)
I never had the engine overheat with regular radiator fluid in it, but after the first few hours, I did go to Engine Ice cause I'm sponsored by them.(9:55)
After the allen head bolts rounded off in the fork guards, I switched them to the traditional 8mm bolts like the 18 & earlier models.
the air filter is a bit of a PITA.
and it gets dirt/mud caught behind the case saver for the chain(with or without the black plastic protector.)
for the slide and guide, I don't feel they wear out to quick. I'm only on my second set with 56 hours on it. Order the Acerbis replacements, they're less than half the price of OEM.
it took months to tell me We still love Ktm and wont ever change are minds😂
That's what everyone say about Honda way back in the day.You must be young. MXA is completely 100% unbiased and there is NO ONE out there more qualified to bring you this shootout. You are free to buy or like whatever flavor you like. Thank you MXA for all your hard work as usual. The best bike always wins. This big 4 have been playing catch up for years now and they just can't get there... yet. If they would learn nd ditch the aluminum frame maybe they could touch KTM, GAsGas or Husky. Buyers are so brainwashed into aluminum. It's the cool factor and that's all some care about.
Ya because they are the best in the biz right now lol. Why are some so scared to admit that. I love honda and yamaha but KTM by far has the best bikes, ita not even close really. The amount of time and effort they put in to each one of their models is unmatched. The are CURRENTLY the best brand out there by a country mile
@@-PlayMaker- not even close plz a fast person can be fast on whatever not to mention most get the bike and change it for them anyways. i have a 2018 honda and love it vital mx said it was there best bike that year at the end of the day its all opinions from test riders tbh. if they really wanted to see what the best is no bias period get 30 random people at the track to test. with that being said i want a 2020.5 ktm factory edition best looking bike period just not a fan or air forks
@@garrett3234 no shit I never said that wtf... for the average person KTM is the best bike and like I said it isn't close lol at all. KTM has so many different models for the consumer to chose from so they get exactly what they want and its always perfect from factory. None of the ECU issues, no over complicated mapping and control systems, great power and fantastic reliability as well and excellent parts availability if something does go wrong. The R&D KTM puts in IS unmatched and that is a fact not opinion.
@@-PlayMaker- Bro Ktm is not leaps and bounds better for the price they are 1k more. i would like one for the track but come on i would like to see number of sales cause i doubt it is even the best seller tbh. Aer forks are ass and the avg person will hate those regardless of how they upgrade them they will always feel worse than spring. Air forks arent new but Ktm dont want to swallow there pride like Honda and drop the
All great bikes 👍
I'm still at a loss as to why the bike prices between countries are so different. In Australia these are the prices in AUD...
FC450- $13550
YZ450F- $13499
450SXF- $13345
CRF450R- $13098
MC450F- $12540
KX450- $12348
RMZ450- $11690
Why ktm's are $800USD more than the others over there is quite odd
I know right! Here in U.S for example the CRF450R's MSRP is $9599, and the CRF450RWE is $12,380
@@jessiej3991 KTM are premium
The $800 is the the electric start 😂
Real
@trav3510 trav3510 maybe over there but in Aus I'd say Yamaha is massively overpriced, the yz250 is only $200AUD cheaper than the 250sx and the damn thing is almost 15 years old!!!
Seems like the Honda really got bashed it’s an absolute beast and smokes any Ktm or Yamaha
You could hear the test rider give a " WOOOWHOOO on the CRF at 16:30 when he whipped it over that jump to flat bottom. 😂👍
Buy the Yamaha it's 10 pounds heavier than Honda has great suspension and it's bullet proof
I did. Love Yamaha dirtbikes & ATVs.
Gasgas MC 450 is my dream bike,,
It’s odd that about a decade ago if you rode a ktm you were considered the laughingstock of the track
Kawasaki best bike ever and bad ass color
Does the Husky positive attributes for handling transfer to the 350, but maybe even more so?
Wouldn't the Gas Gas be the best bargain? They said it in the shootout that the Austrian bikes are all extremely close. The Gas Gas is almost $1000 cheaper than the winner of the shootout and it's less than $1000 more than the Suzuki... Cheaper doesn't always mean the best bargain. It's what you're getting for your money.
And you don’t have to kick start the gas gas ... you’re 100% right I thought the same thing . I think they trying to keep all of the manufactures happy and giving them Free bikes ...
You guys don’t mention the Austrian bikes weakest point, it’s engine braking. On the works edition test, you note how much better the bikes are thanks to the new app. So it’s strange that you don’t talk about it, regarding the stock version.
Or could it just be that you have been bias on KTM for years?...
They mention whatever is good for their narrative.
Engine brake is less important than "no tools air box filter"😂😂
Engine braking is great with my 2021.5 sx-f450, now even better with tuning on the ktm App.
KTM isn't perfect but nothing is! Best new bikes in my opinion KTM & Yamaha. Period. I bought one. Next yr will buy another/other brand. Ride!!
Why did you skip past the RMZ450 dyno?
Motocross action 👍😁
Not sure if they mis-spoke but they said the YZ has the most HP in the class at 58, but the 2021 KTM SX-F 450 has 63.
In their video the ktm has 58.3hp
1:53 those grips are sooooo good Odi V2 Pro Emig
Can someone explain me the difference between the 2017-2020 and 2021 rear wheel on the crf450r please.
I have 3 set of the 2017+, and i just purchase the 2022 450r
Thank you guy's
Do TM still produce 450's? If so why isn't it in the test 😬
Nobodys buy em anyway..
Like them all plus the beta’s
TM too! Go KTM or Yamaha period.
so if you were a taller rider, go for the ktm instead of the husqvarna?
Not necessarily, same amount of leg room from the foot pegs to the seat. Husky sits a little lower to the ground, so would technically be better for a shorter rider being able to put their feet on the ground but wouldn’t really be better or worse for a taller rider
Looks to me like you guys are trying to keep in the good graces of as many manufactures as you can by giving out trophies to everyone . So the crf is the best pro bike but only if you change exhaust , suspension , ecu and basically everything else about it ? Wtf? And RMZ best value for money ? Nearly the same price as the rest of the bikes and you gotta kick the thing to start it ?? Once again . Wtf?
Kx450 all day 😩🙏🏿🥵
Black and decker offers a vented airbox for all of em.
why is there a bung welded to the pipe?
They must be running a wide band O2 sensor to see what the air fuel mixture is on dyno
I would buy a Suzuki if their bikes were up to date with the rest of modern bikes, but I can buy a used 2019 Honda 450 for a cheaper price and it’s still a better bike.
Once and for ALL: "husk" + "varna" .... not HUSK-A-VARNA !!! For the love of GOOOOOD people .... ;o)
If that’s the case with gas gas then why did Justin Barcia move to them? they obviously let his bike be able to beat the KTM right
Hahahahahahahahahahhah Justin barcias bike only resembles the stock bike by name alone . His bike is probably worth $100,000 😅😅😅😅😅
Because they can take all the restrictions off his bike and do motor work...
So wait .... everybody gets a trophy then ?! ;o)
Why don’t you make a 85cc shootout?
Yeah ok nice but what if I want the best bike that starts with K and looks green?!? That’s something that no KTM, Husqvarna, Honda, Yamaha, Gas Gas, etc. can beat!!!
Anybody notice a brand new Honda with a scabby old seat on it 🧐🤔
I did
Whats weird is I've found a 2021 for sale here in Australia second hand with inly 20hrs with a flogged out seat aswell
@@tcmx712 they have got the engine reliability down to a tee but need to find some better leather
@@bradmarshall8363 my old 2014 crf450r got over 200hrs out of the original seat and still looked better haha
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15:45 ”Yamaha’s 11 years old backwards engine concept”
The concept is newer than all the other bikes so why making it sound like it’s outdated?
because so far the concept has not proven to be an improvement in anyway, YZF450 has never once been picked as the best handling (or even in the top three best handling) since the backwards engine was introduced
@@Sleepy.Time. I would say it has both advantages and disadvantages
@@Sleepy.Time. it's weird how they tried centralising the weight by dropping the fuel tank down and putting the airbox up but the yz is still the most top heavy bike!!! Imagine if they didn't how heavy it would feel!!!
@@Sleepy.Time. bro the Yamaha has by far the most stable chassis especially in straight lines, you either have a bike designed for stablility or cornering, Yamaha chose stability, ktm chose cornering
@@marcusbevz6500 I have not owned one so im just going off what others have said. The Yzf250 is amazing but for some reason a lot of riders struggled to get the 450 to work for them (Stewart, Millsaps and Webb come to mind).
Love the shootouts but do have one small nitpick. When he says to change the shock on the RMZ 450 and not touch anything else, why say that? People should do whatever they want to a bike and they make it abundantly clear that it's not keeping up with other bikes in terms of power. I get the guy is a pro (he tells us a lot) but he used the same line last year on the rmz 450 and just seemed unnecessary. I don't own a rmz 450 but after hearing him it makes me want to get one and trick it out. Was it his plan all along??? Suzuki spy??
Suzuki is a great bike! Buy a new one an love it. Maintain well. Modify smart. It last forever bro! Looks awesome too .
Wish they would make a 350 ... 450 is a bit much for my riding ability..
Why doesn’t Yamaha cut a bunch of weight and make the exhaust go straight back
ohhh maaa gaaawd!! ive been waiting for this :DDD
That HONDA
Who cares that the bike has no major changes to this year's model? Seems irrelevant to me. What is relevant is how good it is compared to other bikes, updates or not. Still worth mentioning ofcourse, but should not be a factor in the ranking.
Great video
Listening to Josh mosiman reading the mxa editorial word-for-word from the magazine is an assault on my hearing...
Shame Suzuki let their dirt bike program go to shit. They were great bikes back in the 90's.
As well as the 08' design, which isn't that far off of the current set up🤦
Their GP (road) bikes are dialed. The off-road game needs a MAJOR boost. Suzuki make moeny in other markets apparently, such as commuter bikes in India.
@@jaysmokey I just hate to see them not even trying to compete with the other brands. Go back to the chrome olly frame, add electric start, maybe tweak the frame design a little, lighten it up and they could be right up there with Honda, and Husky.
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Is there a reason you guys exclude the 350's?
Because it’s a 450 shootout...
Holy shit the Kawasaki sounds as bad as it gets
Bad as in bad!? Why? I love the new Yamaha sound & power.
They really shitted on the green machine
Gas Gas is a sleeper? Everybody knows it's a KTM. Not much of a secret.
Maybe a sleeper as in it seems slow but it isn't.
@@caydenthompson126, yeah but that's my point. Everybody knows it's not gonna be that far off the KTM.
Where are yalls fourwheeliers posted
Top KTM SX 450 🇧🇷⭐🏅
lol this video clowned honda's entire bike and at the end says the pros would use the honda over them all? & basically said that the austrian bikes are superior in almost every way. i'm confused...