What is the Best MTB Suspension Design? | Shop Talk | The Pro’s Closet
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ส.ค. 2024
- Time to argue about MTB suspension … VPP suspension, four-bar suspension. Which is best? Is there a best?
Can Bruce and Spencer find common ground when it comes to full-suspension mountain bikes? In this episode, we debate the merits of VPP, Horst Link, Switch Infinity, and even single-pivot suspension designs. Plus, we trot out one of the wildest full-suspension bikes in our museum. You won’t wanna miss this Kamikaze killer!
Hit the Highlights
0:00 The Best Suspension Design
1:20 VPP
1:51 Horst Link
2:40 Ask the Mechanics
4:04 What is Clint Doing?
5:21 Kurt Stockton's Kamikaze Kestrel
7:59 Outro
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shout out to tantrum cycles "missing link" thingy, I really hope I can buy one eventually
Maybe im bias because I work at trek but comparing servicing most u link frames and crazy integrated pivots to servicing a Trek bike is a wild difference. Sure some companies do similar stuff to Trek, but im not a fan of the crazy looking stuff its not easy to service and has more points of failure imo.
Paul Turner's 'Monolink' is the best, most elegant performance suspension ever designed.
I'm also a fan of the looks I'd like to find one to try locally, idk if it's nostalgia it reminds me of my LTS, which was pretty fragile and I had a ton of issues with it but it's still one of my favorite bikes of all time...
4 bars, 4 pivots Horst link. There was tons of testing done on this at great cost by both Canyon and Cannondale. Just because it’s old technology doesn’t mean it can’t be refined. That’s like saying the Porsche 911 is bad because of its design. The VPP is great but that doesn’t mean it’s the best. Guys like this don’t normally appreciate mechanics.
As a Maestro rider for almost a decade, it’s hard to go wrong with Horst Link.
agree, VPP is the best for me, I have used almost all system, anothing like Santa Cruz VPP.
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Also no Trek floating virtual pivot they had in the fuel ex's and full stache
Highpivot with idler ,pulley wheel . rearward axle path.
After riding many full sus MTB's I'd say Honda pro link is the best 😂
So...
For me well tuned 4+ links are always more compliant and progressive without relying on the shock itself, assuming it's a well tuned design...
The Horst link does everything okay and companies are using this design that was adopted from 1980’s dirt bike engineering till this day. With todays technology companies are able to refine this so called archaic technology that just works well. The paten ran out and some bicycle manufacturers are jumping on the band wagon. I wish Kona would put the pivot on the chain stay instead of the seat stay and swallow their pride. I have purchased many Kona’s and I think they suck. Salsa’s split pivot works better hands down.
moots ybb soft tail is pretty cool. Unfortunately moots titanium bikes are a lot out of my price range.
DW link bikes are the best reviewed bikes by fkkkknnnnnnn farrrr
Hardtails and Evil DELTA suspension for the win.
if you like getting donkey kicked the moment your feet aren't actually perfectly level, yeah delta isn't bad. otherwise fuck that unforgiving race linkage...not a fan
VPP🎉
i feel like there was some sort of inside joke when Clint said horst link is the best suspension design
"WHaut. Is Clint. Doing!?!???!"
LOL! This video is nerdy bike comedy gold! But I will say VPP is for people who still think they like Santa Cruz bikes because of the name and originated from California! 🤣
Maestro fan.
Im riding a propain wich has the floating shock nad i love it. So i am no 4 Bar link guy
Propain is a 4-bar setup. Has a co-rotating link just like Santa Cruz
DW-LINK
The bars on a 4-bar don't actually include the shock. In a 4 bar linkage, the bars are the fixed length members that connect 4 points that determine what path the link will travel. In the Horst they go 1) from the lower seat tube pivot to the chain stay pivot, 2) to the pivot at the top of the seat stay, 3) to the upper seat tube pivot (not the shock), and 4) back to the lower seat tub pivot. These 4 bars set the path the wheel will travel in relation to the frame. Even if the shock wasn't there, that wheel would still only be ably to travel this fixed path (albeit loosely with no resistance). The shock is a part of a secondary system connected to the 4-bar that resists movement of the bars by extending a lever arm off of the linkage, the end of which grows and shrinks in relation to another pivot point on the frame.
I liked. Haha
Maestro Suspension / Giant Bicicles
Wasn't that stolen from DW Link?
Only if they didn't overpriced it
You're asking mechanics about bike questions I mean, these people sit all day & get to ride on Sundays. Of course they're going to be biased towards what system is easier for them to service.
You should be talking to pros on race day or at least semi-pros on the trail who love to shred a lot.
Dw link
Maestro???
🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Knuckle link what???
Hard tail obviously
Giant Mastero is the best if they made a stronger frame.
I lololol lol ed
I’m down with Vpp….
Fat bikes rule - chumps.