One pedantic comment and one (hopefully) helpful one... The "tuning" you refer to is not the tuning slide, it is actually the Bb/A switch slide. With the adjustable nut setting your tuning position to A. The lower slide in the "S" bend is in fact the main tuning slide. As for the leaky second valve, I have had very good luck with old horns by experimenting with valve oil viscosity, sometimes extremely. Most synthetic brass lubricants (especially if they are of the same brand) will mix. If you need a viscosity between two synthetic lubricants, you can mix them and come out with the average. My rule is (even for instruments not completely worn out) to use the thickest oil that won't slow down the valve. In cases of extreme wear (or irresponsible lapping), I've often had success using a vintage valve oil combined with a thicker slide oil... or even a thin slide gel thinned further with slide oil or valve oil! Using this method I have gotten instruments with valves that move visibly from side to side under a finger to not only move smoothly without hanging up but to seal well enough to be played for enjoyment.
You make this oddity sound SO SWEET. Thanks for revealing so much about unusual instruments. I see you have what I think is a Wagner tuba. I will look to see if you have reviewed it.
I've always loved the Buescher Epoch as a concept, especially looking at the original patent for it. While the version that went into production is relatively traditional in terms of valve design (still just 3 pistons), the patent also shows an alternate design using two pistons per valve (one for inlet, one for outlet, connected together) that I'm really curious about. I've never seen evidence of the design actually being built, though I'd assume that roughly one example was built for patent/testing purposes. Too bad making pistons is so hard, that'd be a cool design to experiment with.
@@TomPls Not particularly, though I realized as I was typing that the phrase could imply a relation to vienna valves. It's been some time since I looked at it, but I think each piston has three ports at the same level (so no air flow upwards like a vienna valve), so perhaps you could draw parallels between that and a piston change valve, as seen on Schmidt-wrap double horns.
As a fellow collector of brass instruments (though my collection is currently at a measly 15), I now have another horn on my list to eventually own. This thing is absolutely fascinating
It's interesting how many variations there have been on the pronunciation, in the 1950s they had sales flyers and such using the catchphrase "say Busher". I personally tend to go with something kinda closer to the original pronunciation of "Büscher" ("Booscher"), but I know it's far from settled and Buescher himself preferred "Bisher".
I had a Buescher student model back in the 70's. very durable, basic and quite well made. I never had any issues in 15 years I had it. Fine company, I'd enjoy to have another of their instruments
Indeed a very special instrument... I got a custom built Benge trumpet made for me in 1969, leadpipe on the left side, being a left-handed tpt-player :) the rest of my trumpets are normal ones, but I do play the all lefthanded... cheers, thanks for the video and take care!
An interesting curiosity. I was wondering if the slop on the leaking valve is too severe for a different potentially more viscous oil to be used, just as a workaround. I recall you discussing a similar approach in another vintage cornet video some time ago. I'd also be curious about how these different length valves feel under the fingers. Does the extra material make for a heavier action on some valves than others and, if so, are the springs of different tensions to help offset that?
I'm not sure whether it's just my fingers not being sensitive enough, or because I've played such a wide range of instruments with heavier valves (like my eupho), but I don't really notice the difference between the valves. Even using my thickest valve oil there is still too much of a gap. It doesn't help that the ports on the valves are very close together.
@@TrentHamilton mix a small amount of motor oil with some valve oil to make a thicker oil for that leaking valve. I did this with an old cornet just to test it and it worked very well :)
Yo Trent, its Pete Kartu from across the pond. I know a guy in Adelaide South Australia who is a wizz at rebuilding valves...$350$A..each if you want to go there....that is one heck of a piece of history you have there....Cheers Pete
Are coronet designs historically less regimented than valve trumpet designs, or have I just not seen enough old trumpets? Trumpets seem more standardized. Great video-appreciate the longer length.
what you did not mention was this model was playable in B flat and A this is what you had the second tuning slide. you tuned the main slide with the stp nut tuned to Bb and then pulled the main slide out to the stop nut and tuned the hoen to A the first and third valves have tuning stops as well..note this era concert pitch was A - 432hz whil somewhere in the mid 30s the change to A=440hz occured.i bought a beascher cshepards crokk cornet model 400 which looked like new and played like a dream. it had a warn dixieland tone and great projection.
They want to avoid disturbance in the air flow so much that they reverse the lead pipe, but the little hollow created by the spit reservoir, at an angle so on a critical part of the air flow, is fine?
Do you approach playing a cornet differently to a trombone/euho? As a trombonist, if I play a smaller bore instrument I always feel like my head is going to explode. Probably means more practice. 😕
Can you a do a review on the lm-12 a tuba mouth piece witha. Ridiculously shallow cup and a very wide rim designed to play loud it’s really interesting
I have a Buescher Super Aristocrat trumpet from 1959 or 1960, I think from the time when Conn owned the brand. It was designed by the man who traveled in the area to supervise trumpet lessons. Strange little beast, nickel bell, tiny bore, horrible pistons, extremely short stroke. It's very pretty, though.
Buescher Instruments were acquired by Conn in 1984. Until the 1950s, Buescher Saxophones were considered the best of the American-made Saxophones (though Conn ran a close second). I have a 1926 Buescher Alto Sax that has a very nice tone, though the mechanics are not up to par, as compared to modern Saxophones. Most of Buescher's instruments were pretty good, even their Student Model horns.
Pretty entertaining that Buescher left Conn, made his own company, sold it so Selmer, and then Conn and Selmer ended up merging so his work ended up right back where it started.
You can tell the unusual Conn influences on this. Too bad about the air leak. It sounds like it would produce a very nice tone with no leaks. Buescher is actually pronounced Bisher. Back in the day (I am not exactly sure when) in advertising for some of their instruments, they even wrote that Buescher is pronounced Bisher so that people wouldn't be pronouncing the name wrong.
If it's German, then ue is another way of spelling ü, which is pronounced [y] (you say ee but shape your lips as if you were saying oo). Of course it could be Americanized in any way that they chose.
Re "...he died, which is what happens to most people...": Well, yes... unless one drinks the blood of a real live vampire. 🙂 However, those are somewhat hard to find, and reputedly even harder to convince to give up some of their blood. So, yes, we're all gonna die. 😢 It's then just a matter of getting used to that, and finding ways to use one's limited time on Earth in interesting ways, without doing anything monstrous to one's fellow Earth creatures.
I can't believe what you're holding in your hand is considered "rare and unique". I owned a cornet practically identical to the one you're holding back in 1963 when I was 14. It was silver like yours, came with two slides (an extra one that changed the key), 2 mouth pieces, a mouthpiece extension, had a lot of beautiful engravings on the bell, had green felt valve tampers and the inside of the bell wasn't silver but gold (brass). The tops of the valves were not made with inlaid pearl or ivory as they were simply highly polished. There were water keys for the main slide, and the 3rd vlve slide. Both first valve and 3rd valve slides had extension rings so both slides could be extended while playing with the thumb and fourth finger of the left hand. On the bell was engraved the name of the company which I belive was "Adams" and the name of New York City. The carrying case though pretty worn out was lined with that same green felt as the valve tampers, an oval bronze plate (saying the brand name, New York City and the date 1907) that was riveted to the top of the little inner box which held the extra mouth pieces, valve oil, slide grease and a chamois cloth. I bought this cornet at a Church sale for $14.00 dollars with my paper route money so that I could return my neighbor's trumpet that I'd borrowed when I joined the School Band. I was the butt of many jokes by classmates when I showed up with my new (old) "clunker cornet".
Man your cornet playing has come along nicely over the past couple of years.
One pedantic comment and one (hopefully) helpful one...
The "tuning" you refer to is not the tuning slide, it is actually the Bb/A switch slide. With the adjustable nut setting your tuning position to A. The lower slide in the "S" bend is in fact the main tuning slide.
As for the leaky second valve, I have had very good luck with old horns by experimenting with valve oil viscosity, sometimes extremely. Most synthetic brass lubricants (especially if they are of the same brand) will mix. If you need a viscosity between two synthetic lubricants, you can mix them and come out with the average.
My rule is (even for instruments not completely worn out) to use the thickest oil that won't slow down the valve. In cases of extreme wear (or irresponsible lapping), I've often had success using a vintage valve oil combined with a thicker slide oil... or even a thin slide gel thinned further with slide oil or valve oil! Using this method I have gotten instruments with valves that move visibly from side to side under a finger to not only move smoothly without hanging up but to seal well enough to be played for enjoyment.
these horns are beautiful and you make them even better
You make this oddity sound SO SWEET. Thanks for revealing so much about unusual instruments. I see you have what I think is a Wagner tuba. I will look to see if you have reviewed it.
I've always loved the Buescher Epoch as a concept, especially looking at the original patent for it. While the version that went into production is relatively traditional in terms of valve design (still just 3 pistons), the patent also shows an alternate design using two pistons per valve (one for inlet, one for outlet, connected together) that I'm really curious about. I've never seen evidence of the design actually being built, though I'd assume that roughly one example was built for patent/testing purposes. Too bad making pistons is so hard, that'd be a cool design to experiment with.
Is that maybe akin to a Vienna valve? I haven't looked at the patent, but that's one of the earlier valve designs for brass instruments.
@@TomPls Not particularly, though I realized as I was typing that the phrase could imply a relation to vienna valves. It's been some time since I looked at it, but I think each piston has three ports at the same level (so no air flow upwards like a vienna valve), so perhaps you could draw parallels between that and a piston change valve, as seen on Schmidt-wrap double horns.
That Pie Jesu duet at the end was lovely!
As a fellow collector of brass instruments (though my collection is currently at a measly 15), I now have another horn on my list to eventually own. This thing is absolutely fascinating
Just FYI, the pronunciation is "Bisher". Beautiful instrument and playing! Thank you!
It's interesting how many variations there have been on the pronunciation, in the 1950s they had sales flyers and such using the catchphrase "say Busher". I personally tend to go with something kinda closer to the original pronunciation of "Büscher" ("Booscher"), but I know it's far from settled and Buescher himself preferred "Bisher".
@@jeremypeplinski5098 How ü is pronounced varies some by location in Germany, which is why you'll hear it different ways.
I had a Buescher student model back in the 70's. very durable, basic and quite well made. I never had any issues in 15 years I had it. Fine company, I'd enjoy to have another of their instruments
Beautiful playing. Good tone.
Still looking wonderful! Thanks for another interesting video!
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I'm a strings player but I love nerding out watching this channel 😁
Sounds lovely!
Indeed a very special instrument... I got a custom built Benge trumpet made for me in 1969, leadpipe on the left side, being a left-handed tpt-player :) the rest of my trumpets are normal ones, but I do play the all lefthanded... cheers, thanks for the video and take care!
The sound is sweet
Personally, I thik the water key "trough" is a great idea. Ugly? Well, beauty is in the eye of the CORnet player.
An interesting curiosity. I was wondering if the slop on the leaking valve is too severe for a different potentially more viscous oil to be used, just as a workaround. I recall you discussing a similar approach in another vintage cornet video some time ago. I'd also be curious about how these different length valves feel under the fingers. Does the extra material make for a heavier action on some valves than others and, if so, are the springs of different tensions to help offset that?
I'm not sure whether it's just my fingers not being sensitive enough, or because I've played such a wide range of instruments with heavier valves (like my eupho), but I don't really notice the difference between the valves. Even using my thickest valve oil there is still too much of a gap. It doesn't help that the ports on the valves are very close together.
@@TrentHamilton mix a small amount of motor oil with some valve oil to make a thicker oil for that leaking valve. I did this with an old cornet just to test it and it worked very well :)
@@stevanewald106 I'm one of Trent's Patreons. We get to see his videos ahead of their general release.
@@MikeSpeakman You might instead consider Hetman tuning slide oil.
I have a 1908 Buescher that is pretty standard other than the bell connects to the second valve instead of the first.
Yo Trent, its Pete Kartu from across the pond. I know a guy in Adelaide South Australia who is a wizz at rebuilding valves...$350$A..each if you want to go there....that is one heck of a piece of history you have there....Cheers Pete
$350 AUD per valve??
@@TrentHamilton yep each valve, not cheap but he's the only guy on the island who can...
Are coronet designs historically less regimented than valve trumpet designs, or have I just not seen enough old trumpets? Trumpets seem more standardized. Great video-appreciate the longer length.
Legend has done it again!
We're do you get all of your strange instruments from?
Have you had any exposure to the Andalucia trumpets? I recently came into possession of one, but have little information about them.
I have a buescher tru tone trombone with the offset slide & angled bell braces. Can be quite a talking point!
You sure make it sound good.
what you did not mention was this model was playable in B flat and A this is what you had the second tuning slide. you tuned the main slide with the stp nut tuned to Bb and then pulled the main slide out to the stop nut and tuned the hoen to A the first and third valves have tuning stops as well..note this era concert pitch was A - 432hz whil somewhere in the mid 30s the change to A=440hz occured.i bought a beascher cshepards crokk cornet model 400 which looked like new and played like a dream. it had a warn dixieland tone and great projection.
They want to avoid disturbance in the air flow so much that they reverse the lead pipe, but the little hollow created by the spit reservoir, at an angle so on a critical part of the air flow, is fine?
you should check out the conn perfected wonder mellophone. most insane valve ive ever seen on that thing...
Do you approach playing a cornet differently to a trombone/euho? As a trombonist, if I play a smaller bore instrument I always feel like my head is going to explode. Probably means more practice. 😕
already the first result when looking for buecher epoch
Did you buy this? If so, how expensive was it?
It was pretty expensive - one of the more expensive instruments I’ve purchased, but I’ve had it for quite a while now, just never done a video on it.
Can you a do a review on the lm-12 a tuba mouth piece witha. Ridiculously shallow cup and a very wide rim designed to play loud it’s really interesting
Love it!
There's something so interesting about just a simple 2 Cornet duet. It's not loud, has no bass, simple yet rich
At 1:29 you said 1984 which was the year I was born so I perked up then realized you meant 1884.
Yes indeed, I meant 1884.
@@TrentHamilton the “good ol’ days!”
I have a Buescher Super Aristocrat trumpet from 1959 or 1960, I think from the time when Conn owned the brand. It was designed by the man who traveled in the area to supervise trumpet lessons. Strange little beast, nickel bell, tiny bore, horrible pistons, extremely short stroke. It's very pretty, though.
Buescher Instruments were acquired by Conn in 1984. Until the 1950s, Buescher Saxophones were considered the best of the American-made Saxophones (though Conn ran a close second). I have a 1926 Buescher Alto Sax that has a very nice tone, though the mechanics are not up to par, as compared to modern Saxophones. Most of Buescher's instruments were pretty good, even their Student Model horns.
Pretty entertaining that Buescher left Conn, made his own company, sold it so Selmer, and then Conn and Selmer ended up merging so his work ended up right back where it started.
Nice
You can tell the unusual Conn influences on this. Too bad about the air leak. It sounds like it would produce a very nice tone with no leaks. Buescher is actually pronounced Bisher. Back in the day (I am not exactly sure when) in advertising for some of their instruments, they even wrote that Buescher is pronounced Bisher so that people wouldn't be pronouncing the name wrong.
If it's German, then ue is another way of spelling ü, which is pronounced [y] (you say ee but shape your lips as if you were saying oo). Of course it could be Americanized in any way that they chose.
Great vid. You look so thin now man!!
That cornet does sound sweet dude....
This one deserves a valve job...
Seems intersting
Crazy how Buescher founded the company in 1984, and Selmer bought it in the 1960s
Interesting sound from this horn. Sounds like two instruments playing.
I think there's another cornet playing in the background.
Re "...he died, which is what happens to most people...": Well, yes... unless one drinks the blood of a real live vampire. 🙂 However, those are somewhat hard to find, and reputedly even harder to convince to give up some of their blood. So, yes, we're all gonna die. 😢 It's then just a matter of getting used to that, and finding ways to use one's limited time on Earth in interesting ways, without doing anything monstrous to one's fellow Earth creatures.
Trent you lost weight? You look fantastic!
I’ve actually put on weight - I used to be 8lbs.
@@TrentHamilton You should put that in your descriptions to avoid the spamming of these comments on every video.
0:00 Since when did your ROM turn into a concert hall Trent?
I don't understand your question
Is that a Denis wick heritage mouthpiece?
Yes
1:30 1984?
Why is this unlisted? Good video though.
It's unlisted so Patreon and youtube channel members can enjoy early access before it goes public.
To me, it has a nicer sound than the slightly edgy Carol Brass cornet. But I'm just a flutist, so what do I know?!
When he said bisher died what happens to most people I laughed
Its a shame its worn. If you could I know you would restore it.
Trevor, are you okay? You're looking a bit pastey. I can't look at your videos lately without being a bit worried.
I can't believe what you're holding in your hand is considered "rare and unique". I owned a cornet practically identical to the one you're holding back in 1963 when I was 14. It was silver like yours, came with two slides (an extra one that changed the key), 2 mouth pieces, a mouthpiece extension, had a lot of beautiful engravings on the bell, had green felt valve tampers and the inside of the bell wasn't silver but gold (brass). The tops of the valves were not made with inlaid pearl or ivory as they were simply highly polished. There were water keys for the main slide, and the 3rd vlve slide. Both first valve and 3rd valve slides had extension rings so both slides could be extended while playing with the thumb and fourth finger of the left hand. On the bell was engraved the name of the company which I belive was "Adams" and the name of New York City. The carrying case though pretty worn out was lined with that same green felt as the valve tampers, an oval bronze plate (saying the brand name, New York City and the date 1907) that was riveted to the top of the little inner box which held the extra mouth pieces, valve oil, slide grease and a chamois cloth. I bought this cornet at a Church sale for $14.00 dollars with my paper route money so that I could return my neighbor's trumpet that I'd borrowed when I joined the School Band. I was the butt of many jokes by classmates when I showed up with my new (old) "clunker cornet".
60 years ago this cornet would have been less rare and unique than it is now.
If you spend that much on an instrument, you want to be able to play it surely? Have to admit, if I had the cash to buy it, I'd sort the valves out.
Modern instruments are boring. Who cares if they work well, this weird stuff is more appealing.
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