Good video but I would much rather have a Netgate 6100 running Pfsense for half the cost and no licensing payments. Thank you for the video! Always love to see firewall stuff.
I wish they had more budget options for home guys like me trying to gain some experience. $1100 is a serious chunk of change for a firewall to use in a lab environment not to mention that license is probably yearly...
Hi, there are a few options when wanting to try Palo Alto, they offer a trial VM-Series which is valid for 30 Days, and both the cloud firewall and the NGFW for Azure are available as pay-as-you go, it is a shame that they don't try and make hands-on practice more accessible.
Great video, thank you❗ Can you recommend a vendor to buy the lab unit and license from? Palo Alto doesn't seem to make that part easy. Any help or guidance is appreciated. 🙏🏽
Hi Keith, I found this Exo secure provider that sells Palo Alto solutions to natural persons, they have the entire pa-400 series and offer license renewal, but I don't know how reliable it is to make a purchase with them.
Didn't even see the video yet, but I agree 110%. Too bad it's hard to buy one as most PA partners will not sell to you, especially without a VAT (but some rare ones do). To expand a bit, PA is, if not the best, in the top two enterprise firewalls and work great. I manage a whole lot of them at work and compared to anything else I worked on, it's so much better Regarding the 400 series tho, it is a shame that with lot of home internet services (and smb lines too) going in the multi-gig speed (at least here) the lack of sfp+ or multi-gig ports is a bit of a shame. 800 series would be better but the price spikes if you go there, even for lab units last I checked.
I was just replying to a vendor that refused to sell me one unless I had an established BUSINESS account. Not sure how the OP managed this unless he is a reseller himself.
@@zapphoddbubbahbrox5681 If you don't have a business it really depends on the vendor. Usually they don't, but some do. Really helps a lot if you're an employee working in IT in a company that is their client or if you've got a job that could give them good publicity or possible sales. Stuff like Security Engineer, Network Administrator sometimes is enough. If it's anything like CISO, IT Manager or such and you ask for a lab license they will 110% sell it to you if you're unlucky, just give one free if not. Source: Way back when, I used to be an ""IT Manager"" at a SMB, got a PA220 and a Fortigate 200E for free in that period.
PaloAlto considers as HighEnd solution in firewall world, but it's too expensive for home usage as home user firewall. Not hardware, software and licensing is expensive part of this trip.
Beside the price, Palo Alto boot times are horrendous, they sometimes hang, and also during configurations. Open source is starting to become popular, but for me, they also have their downsides. Being an older, impatient guy, I don't want to have to manually incorporate third party IDS/IPS software within a firewall. I want rapid, and smooth sailing with my configurations, and experience at least, IDS incorporations within the firewall, whether physically or virtually. Because of this, my choice is Fortinet.
Joseph, i agree the Palo's have horrendous boot and other times. I do however feel they are top notch from a security perspective however and why I really love them.
Hello everyone, what do you think about this provider - EXO Secure? They sell palo alto solutions including the lab pa-440 and they also sell license renewals.
You commented "for me if security is important, there is not a better firewall than Palo in my honest opinion. Have used many other vendors and Palo is top notch to keep your network protected". Could you please do some comparison video to these "other vendors" you mentioned, with some arguments why you consider Palo Alto "the best".
It's second video I saw from this guy and again he puts "home" word together with stuff for thousands dollars. I mean c'mon ... for people like me looking for some real "home" router its like clickbajt.
@domantlen6231 I appreciate your feedback and comment! In my vids I don't necessarily cover the cheapest solutions, but sometimes the best in my opinion is worth the cost. Palo's are incredible for security.
@@VirtualizationHowtoOffcourse PA is incredible but its enterprise stuff. As long as you’re not some Bill Gates, Elon Musk or any other public person who often are targets of some serious hackers attempts, you dont need that lvl of protection at your home. Its your „inner geek” who buys this stuff. But taggin it as „home” gear is a big overuse. Ubiquiti, Mikrotik, some lower Fortinet, used/refubrished cisco, Aruba etc. - thats the stuff which homeusers and homelabbers mostly use and interested about. All i can say that as some ordinary watcher when i see some reviews about „out of my league” stuff i usually just skip them and ignore the channel in future searches. Only because my curiosity rised now, ive just looked at your channel and saw that you also do some really nice videos about other things arround proxmox and other stuff im interested about so i’ll check them out. But yet, normally i would ignore the channel :)
Can you please make sure your microphone is not picking up music playing on a radio in another room - It ruins the video when you have music at the same level. It's similar to being in a crowded room with a lot of conversations going on.
Jason, thank you for the comment! I understand many may be running more than 1 gig. I am stuck at 1 gig here. However, for me if security is important, there is not a better firewall than Palo in my honest opinion. Have used many other vendors and Palo is top notch to keep your network protected.
iball, thank you for the comment! It is fairly easy to find online resellers that will sell individuals the lab units. I bought mine for $795 USD, so not $1600. However, I am not sure if you are US? Also, i really like Untangle and support a few production instances, but I am a bit unsure of the direction of the product since the Arista buyout. Time will tell.
@VirtualizationHowto people in your comments are not you average home user they are more advanced or interested in IT. If hundreds of them are saying the same thing...
Hey thanks Palo Alto..... not. Who would spend 2k on a lab firewall. They have more headroom on this small device than on the enterprise ones they sell.
Eric, thank you for your comment! I know for some this may be out of the ballpark. However, Palo represents the Cadillac of firewalls IMHO for security.
@thbadmin7751, thank you for your comment! I know better is relative for most. I know netgate and pfSense are great solutions and that is probably what I would be running in the home lab if I wasn't already invested in PA. I do honestly think PA has the best security out of all the vendors out there at this time and is why I run one...even if it isn't the cheapest.
Good video but I would much rather have a Netgate 6100 running Pfsense for half the cost and no licensing payments. Thank you for the video! Always love to see firewall stuff.
I wish they had more budget options for home guys like me trying to gain some experience. $1100 is a serious chunk of change for a firewall to use in a lab environment not to mention that license is probably yearly...
Hi, there are a few options when wanting to try Palo Alto, they offer a trial VM-Series which is valid for 30 Days, and both the cloud firewall and the NGFW for Azure are available as pay-as-you go, it is a shame that they don't try and make hands-on practice more accessible.
What amazing RACK in your home lab! Congras!
Great video, thank you❗
Can you recommend a vendor to buy the lab unit and license from? Palo Alto doesn't seem to make that part easy. Any help or guidance is appreciated. 🙏🏽
Hi Keith, I found this Exo secure provider that sells Palo Alto solutions to natural persons, they have the entire pa-400 series and offer license renewal, but I don't know how reliable it is to make a purchase with them.
@@beslon9101 Thank you for the follow up, I appreciate it.
@@beslon9101 NO THEY DON"T (I tried this week)
thank you for the video, just ordered this model today :)
Pricing isn't bad at all. I've looked at Fortinet as well, but I'll be comparing the two now that I know the pricing. Currently using OPNsense.
Thats what i run to :) along with Zenarmor installed.
Excellent video LOVE finding fellow content creators who love to to teach IT 😊
Didn't even see the video yet, but I agree 110%. Too bad it's hard to buy one as most PA partners will not sell to you, especially without a VAT (but some rare ones do).
To expand a bit, PA is, if not the best, in the top two enterprise firewalls and work great. I manage a whole lot of them at work and compared to anything else I worked on, it's so much better
Regarding the 400 series tho, it is a shame that with lot of home internet services (and smb lines too) going in the multi-gig speed (at least here) the lack of sfp+ or multi-gig ports is a bit of a shame. 800 series would be better but the price spikes if you go there, even for lab units last I checked.
I was just replying to a vendor that refused to sell me one unless I had an established BUSINESS account. Not sure how the OP managed this unless he is a reseller himself.
@@zapphoddbubbahbrox5681 If you don't have a business it really depends on the vendor. Usually they don't, but some do. Really helps a lot if you're an employee working in IT in a company that is their client or if you've got a job that could give them good publicity or possible sales. Stuff like Security Engineer, Network Administrator sometimes is enough. If it's anything like CISO, IT Manager or such and you ask for a lab license they will 110% sell it to you if you're unlucky, just give one free if not. Source: Way back when, I used to be an ""IT Manager"" at a SMB, got a PA220 and a Fortigate 200E for free in that period.
@@tbard Yes, I've been working with them for 8 years. I want to buy one.... not our purchasing sub.
@@zapphoddbubbahbrox5681 That's rough :\
I don't even have to watch the video to agree lol. I have a 440 at home too and it's awesome.
PaloAlto considers as HighEnd solution in firewall world, but it's too expensive for home usage as home user firewall. Not hardware, software and licensing is expensive part of this trip.
Agreed, at almost 2000 USD the 440 or about 1000 for the 410, a bit stiff for home. A Netgate 2100 for example, is much more appropriate.
Seems like everyone commenting on cost is told it’s “half the price” but is never given answer when asked where he purchased as an individual.
good video I am also a big fan of Palo Alto. But it's so expensive...
Where can i buy a lab unit with the subscription as you indicated in your video?
the best home enterprise grade firewall is ufw :D
Great one! + gufw ;-)
Beside the price, Palo Alto boot times are horrendous, they sometimes hang, and also during configurations. Open source is starting to become popular, but for me, they also have their downsides. Being an older, impatient guy, I don't want to have to manually incorporate third party IDS/IPS software within a firewall. I want rapid, and smooth sailing with my configurations, and experience at least, IDS incorporations within the firewall, whether physically or virtually. Because of this, my choice is Fortinet.
Joseph, i agree the Palo's have horrendous boot and other times. I do however feel they are top notch from a security perspective however and why I really love them.
supposed to be seconds vs the 15 minutes for a PA220 at current PANOS rev.
Thank you great video. If possible could you share the url where you purchased this from.
Hello everyone, what do you think about this provider - EXO Secure? They sell palo alto solutions including the lab pa-440 and they also sell license renewals.
They won't sell to individuals
VAR told me that PAN won't ship to a residential address. Short of renting a PO box and setting up an LLC how can I buy one?
If PA did a home version that didn’t cost the earth that would be mega.
This thing cost 1.400. Here in Greece. Good but to expensive for a home network
You commented "for me if security is important, there is not a better firewall than Palo in my honest opinion. Have used many other vendors and Palo is top notch to keep your network protected". Could you please do some comparison video to these "other vendors" you mentioned, with some arguments why you consider Palo Alto "the best".
How much does the FW and a licence for home cost?
It's second video I saw from this guy and again he puts "home" word together with stuff for thousands dollars. I mean c'mon ... for people like me looking for some real "home" router its like clickbajt.
@domantlen6231 I appreciate your feedback and comment! In my vids I don't necessarily cover the cheapest solutions, but sometimes the best in my opinion is worth the cost. Palo's are incredible for security.
@@VirtualizationHowtoOffcourse PA is incredible but its enterprise stuff. As long as you’re not some Bill Gates, Elon Musk or any other public person who often are targets of some serious hackers attempts, you dont need that lvl of protection at your home. Its your „inner geek” who buys this stuff. But taggin it as „home” gear is a big overuse. Ubiquiti, Mikrotik, some lower Fortinet, used/refubrished cisco, Aruba etc. - thats the stuff which homeusers and homelabbers mostly use and interested about.
All i can say that as some ordinary watcher when i see some reviews about „out of my league” stuff i usually just skip them and ignore the channel in future searches. Only because my curiosity rised now, ive just looked at your channel and saw that you also do some really nice videos about other things arround proxmox and other stuff im interested about so i’ll check them out. But yet, normally i would ignore the channel :)
I'm good with my VyOS zone based firewall ;)
Don't really think any IPS/IDS is a good security system. So most firewalls are not for me...
Can you please make sure your microphone is not picking up music playing on a radio in another room - It ruins the video when you have music at the same level. It's similar to being in a crowded room with a lot of conversations going on.
Listed at $1500 US. A bit much for home use, even if you can find a way to buy one.
Roy look for a lab unit...these are half price 👍
Cable ISP's provide >1Gbps service these days and motherboards ship with 2.5GbE, so it's a big fat NOPE if it doesn't have 2.5 or 10GbE ports.
Jason, thank you for the comment! I understand many may be running more than 1 gig. I am stuck at 1 gig here. However, for me if security is important, there is not a better firewall than Palo in my honest opinion. Have used many other vendors and Palo is top notch to keep your network protected.
$1600 for a box that no one can really buy unless they find a PA partner that will sell to you. Nah. I'm good with a Protectli running Untangle.
iball, thank you for the comment! It is fairly easy to find online resellers that will sell individuals the lab units. I bought mine for $795 USD, so not $1600. However, I am not sure if you are US? Also, i really like Untangle and support a few production instances, but I am a bit unsure of the direction of the product since the Arista buyout. Time will tell.
@VirtualizationHowto people in your comments are not you average home user they are more advanced or interested in IT. If hundreds of them are saying the same thing...
extremly expensive
Hey thanks Palo Alto..... not. Who would spend 2k on a lab firewall. They have more headroom on this small device than on the enterprise ones they sell.
Not at $1600
Viking Cat, thanks for the comment! These are $795 for lab unit.
Can you please share where I can get this ?
Way too expensive for home use.
Eric, thank you for your comment! I know for some this may be out of the ballpark. However, Palo represents the Cadillac of firewalls IMHO for security.
Netgate is a better home option...
@thbadmin7751, thank you for your comment! I know better is relative for most. I know netgate and pfSense are great solutions and that is probably what I would be running in the home lab if I wasn't already invested in PA. I do honestly think PA has the best security out of all the vendors out there at this time and is why I run one...even if it isn't the cheapest.
lol