Pretty nerdy stuff. Very interesting, really. Another side of cycling, which is nothing for me. This again proves why cycling is so versatile: everyone can have it the way he wants it - competitive, fixed gear, touring, bike packing etc... Thanks for showing these different sides.
Xavier, thoughts on the Tempor? Must be better for broader shoulders right? It went out of fashion but a small team from Derbados is bringing it back...
Super interesting, thank you for sharing this! I bought the chainring from AeroCoach last week for my own upcoming TT build. Love to see the devotion to find things to improve. Maybe removing the bento box from the Trinity might help as well? Or do you plan using it?
Did aerocoach consider the impact of holding that aero position on the power transfer efficiency towards the latter parts of a 24hr ride? Have no doubt Chris could hold that position for 24 hours but I’d be interested to understand how much power deficiency he sacrifices to hold that position during major fatigue? Fine balance between aero efficiency and power transfer :)
Maybe you missed it but he actually mentioned this when Chris expressed concern over compressing his chest/airflow too much. I think they made mention of this in terms of helmet selection as well. I'm guessing, like any of us would, Chris will need to have a "1-hour" fit and a "24-hour" fit as the demands for each are so different.
It’s very very minor tweaks to my existing 24 hour position. I’ve raced in it for a long time now and it’s sustainable. Admittedly not everyone can sustain these kind of positions too. I’m very lucky that I am overly flexible so that helps
@@Lukas-zd3sn I should have posted my comment a bit differently. Marginal tweaks make for some significant gains, but interesting none the less. It still amazing how much you gain by what would seem minor position changes.
I'd love it if you would equate these aero changes into tangible time savings for a 10 mile or 25 mile Time Trial. What do you think the time savings would be? I need to improve my times.
Yeah, on the way up we were joking about how angry James would be about the changes, but in reality, the changes are so small he probably wouldn't be fussed!
Spesh 'wintunnel' videos tested this as well as some other weird stuff. Beards are typically drag neutral. Though Wiggo shaved pre-Hour record so there's that..
I am a USAC coach and my clients are not wealthy and not all of my athletes are elite. What do you consider to be too expensive? The average USAC coach charges 125.00 per month for coaching services. I also consult with aerodynamicists and I can tell you that it's not expensive. We have new tech on the horizon that will let cyclists test their own CDA in real time. Just like we can with power meters. Also when you say "Americans will never again amount to anything in cycling" I have to ask, are you an American, who races?
Jess looked thoroughly enthralled by the whole process!!!!!!!!
6:19 ‘Honey! Where’s my super suit!?’
Leo Barrett great minds ✨👌✨
That was awesome, crazy how such small changes can make such a big difference
Pretty nerdy stuff. Very interesting, really. Another side of cycling, which is nothing for me. This again proves why cycling is so versatile: everyone can have it the way he wants it - competitive, fixed gear, touring, bike packing etc...
Thanks for showing these different sides.
Very interesting video. And great filming as always
Really bloody interesting subject. I'm always amazed at the little tricks companies discover to improve airflow.
Great video again Francis.
Can you do one on winter base & build up. Involving Chris, Lawarence, Coach Ken and yourself.
keen for this
its a good day when Francis uploads a 16 minute video
A Fantastic insight into the world of aero gains. Thank you Cade.
This was a really interesting video today, even for a layman I learnt tons.
The only thing George says is "Yeah". Very good video again
Gwion Llewelyn yeah
I wasn’t feeling well... forgot my other key words - that’s my excuse
The science is wonderful and the conversation is stimulating.
“Yeah.” - George
MadCityCrew - ah man, I died watching that bit back
Great insight from the AeroCoach folks on tweaking a riders kit and position to net a 5 to 6% power gain. Looking forward to part II !
BikeFitJames doesn't like this
Loved it Francis,
Fascinating
Wow, all that sunlight makes it really awesome!
Great Content, like it.
Now that was a good video! ticks all the bike set up geekery boxes in me.
Damn... nice vid!
The Coach seems like a super nice guy and very knowledgeable as well. Be interested in the wind tunnel results to learn what can be improved.
Interesting tech, nice one Francis
wow I simply love the science involved there :)
Xavier, thoughts on the Tempor? Must be better for broader shoulders right? It went out of fashion but a small team from Derbados is bringing it back...
Wooooooosssshhh #GAINS!!
Cool, never thought to tape up the vents on my Bell Javelin. Learn something new every day :-)
Free speed!
Thanks Francis. As someone who's going to give TT's a proper go next season, I found that really interesting.
Super interesting, thank you for sharing this! I bought the chainring from AeroCoach last week for my own upcoming TT build. Love to see the devotion to find things to improve. Maybe removing the bento box from the Trinity might help as well? Or do you plan using it?
Jerome Anker for 24hrs that little bugger is HYPER useful
@@ChrisHallRides Haha, for 24hrs I can imagine, yeah. Good luck, looking forward to seeing more of this!
Jerome Anker thank you! Francis has done a few videos of my 24hr exploits. Make sure you go back and have a watch
Very informative video, but makes me glad I never had a desire to race.interesting to see all the technical things they have now.
Nice to see Richard Bussell on the case 14.40.
Freaking great video.
Where’s my super suit?
6 watts from just the arms!!!!! #freewatts
Did aerocoach consider the impact of holding that aero position on the power transfer efficiency towards the latter parts of a 24hr ride? Have no doubt Chris could hold that position for 24 hours but I’d be interested to understand how much power deficiency he sacrifices to hold that position during major fatigue? Fine balance between aero efficiency and power transfer :)
Maybe you missed it but he actually mentioned this when Chris expressed concern over compressing his chest/airflow too much. I think they made mention of this in terms of helmet selection as well. I'm guessing, like any of us would, Chris will need to have a "1-hour" fit and a "24-hour" fit as the demands for each are so different.
It’s very very minor tweaks to my existing 24 hour position. I’ve raced in it for a long time now and it’s sustainable. Admittedly not everyone can sustain these kind of positions too. I’m very lucky that I am overly flexible so that helps
"Got to improve the surface of the rider". Best you start sanding Chris down ASAP! ;)
Can you tell me what brand his elbow pads are? With the backing to rest elbows on in the praying mantis position. I’ve never seen those.
did he say Halesowen if so 5 minutes from my front door didn't know it was there
Just amazing the thought process that goes into marginal gains, but overall very interesting.
not that marginal when lower head gains 15 freakin watts! just amazing for sure.
@@Lukas-zd3sn I should have posted my comment a bit differently. Marginal tweaks make for some significant gains, but interesting none the less. It still amazing how much you gain by what would seem minor position changes.
Did George steal Chris' socks?
I'd love it if you would equate these aero changes into tangible time savings for a 10 mile or 25 mile Time Trial.
What do you think the time savings would be? I need to improve my times.
Yeah
what aero bar angle and final angle of the risers under that bar?
Awesome video as always.
what bars and arm pads are on this trinity?
Serious question, how many watts would a facial shave save?
How could so steepy TT extensions be faster than ones in horizontal plane? Thanx a lot
Terrific
Why not just wear long padded pants/lite leg warmers?
Or is there a stupid UCI rule that your legs can't be warm.......
Science 👍
Tic-Tac. That's a funny comment Francis...
Yeah yeah yeah 😎
Maybe you could do some more videos featuring Felix’s sister? Thanks in advance.
Spaceballs with Rick Moranis. Canadian content, it’s required by law.
spermtail helmet makes a comeback
Good video but I wonder does aerocoach consider bikefit or they do bikefit after?
Cervelo R5 Xavier is a biomechanics expert and very small things are tweaked from my original fit. Small changes make drastic gains
Yeah, on the way up we were joking about how angry James would be about the changes, but in reality, the changes are so small he probably wouldn't be fussed!
Fascinating stuff - aero rider gains are much bigger than riding an aero bike, n'est pas?
Yep, the rider accounts for more than the bike
How many Watts to sport a hipster beard then?
If you think they're hipsters, you gotta go to Shoreditch.
How about deep section wheels, where do they stand in the equation? Bigger aero impact than frame?
FIRST
OK Second
And the bear face?????
YAP
Just need to shave the beards now ;)
Leo Barrett nope actually. Watch part 2
Arms and legs make time when shaved, but unless you have a full zztop going on, beards are OK to stay!
Fascinating......marginal gains and all that.
cliff hanger who will have the best cda find out tomorrow
I thought leg shaving had no aero gain?
Depends how hairy your legs are, but it's quite a big gain. As is shaving arms!
Francis Cade well I guess I need to shave😊
I DON'T WANNA WASTE MY TIME!!!!!!
Much more than marginal gains.
Big gains for sure!
Aero beards ?
Aero gains ?? All I hear is my parents yelling about who spent all the money on bike stuff.
There needs to be studies held oh how beards help you go faster
Has already been done by Specialized.
Shaving the beard could save them 50 watts easy ! :)
We actually asked this, in next video... And the answer is not what you think!
What Francis said
Spesh 'wintunnel' videos tested this as well as some other weird stuff. Beards are typically drag neutral. Though Wiggo shaved pre-Hour record so there's that..
How aero is that bearded look? Time to sacrifice the hairy boyz fashion for speeeeddd! 🚴🏾♂️📸🚴🏻♀️👍🏻 🐻
Nope, we cover this in next episode!
Francis Cade look forward to some beard science then!
lose the beard bro easiest 15W ever
We cover this in next vid
You’d be surprised on the answer to that
Looking forward to part two remembering Wiggins' shaved face on his hour record ride...
This is why Americans will never again amount to anything in cycling. Nothing even remotely like this is even possible here.
Based on what? There are excellent coaches and aero testing available in the US!
rgrissomky Based on the fact that those things are only available to the wealthy elite. The common people have no access to it.
I am a USAC coach and my clients are not wealthy and not all of my athletes are elite. What do you consider to be too expensive? The average USAC coach charges 125.00 per month for coaching services. I also consult with aerodynamicists and I can tell you that it's not expensive. We have new tech on the horizon that will let cyclists test their own CDA in real time. Just like we can with power meters. Also when you say "Americans will never again amount to anything in cycling" I have to ask, are you an American, who races?
so wiggins murdered everybody while wearing a shitty helmet?
No, the sky bambinos are not the consumer bambinos. Same with most pro kit.
shape looked very similar to the regular.