Professor, make the design taper to a small end and surround the whole thing with a cone with open top and bottom. Then turn it small side down and let the water fill the cone up. This way, the small end picks up moment as the screw tightens and all you need to do is ensure it has water. You can even extend the big side of the cone and pill it with more water before releasing the bottom. The cone shape also will taurally form a whirlpool further increasing power. I can draw you a diagram on Elon place if you want. ♥️
Like it but should actually be other way round in a venturi a colecter cone into a expanding cone for the turbine. Dont forget water dont compress So you concentrate the weight and speed of flow .
After learning today, that light bulbs could last a lifetime, but on count of greed and way outdating thinking, we aren't allowed! Who knew how evil corporations are. Free power should be a human right, like clean water and fresh food! Love the project! That is super cool! Anything that moves humanity forward! Even a simple little idea like this, could lead to a practical solution. This would be great for camping trips! A simple charging station. Don't get a lot of sun for solar charging in the woods.
"Planned obsolescence." It's why cellphones only last a few years, and why Apple got in trouble for pushing updates that killed the battery, in order to force more purchases.
This is such an attractive idea! I wonder if folks in rainy areas can channel the rain falling on their roofs through Archimedes screws and power their homes. "Monsoon Season" would have a more lovely and positive connotation than it might otherwise have.
nice work and good luck with the scale up ...we are in France also ......LOt (46). always watch your uap episodes . In 97 we witnessed a massive black triangle near sheffield go over us.
In my younger years, I was a millwright. Also have a very strong background in automotive technology; therefore, very familiar with automotive alternators... Don't use an auger. You would need to extend the flighting to at least double the diameter in order to get usable rotational torque. And the 500 rpm minimum necessary for an automotive alternator means you'll always be struggling with torque--as well as replacing bearing blocks. I recommend a traditional water wheel. Achieve much higher torque at lower rpms, which can be geared up to meet the demands of a loaded alternator.
Those proposed improvements should be good. I assume you will eventually place a cover over the top of the screw converting the trough into a pipe, so a larger volume of water will push against the full area of the screw under more pressure . You might wish to have a conical piece of hardware cloth over the intake to shed floating debris from entering the screw.
I like the way you think. I have no formal engineering background whatsoever, but spent years out on an offgrid property in the middle of nowhere. Living out there forced me to learn plumbing/electric, and I was always trying some new adaptation to increase water pressure, power efficiency etc. Had to learn basic layperson physics/engineering principles just out of necessity. I always enjoy listening to likeminded people try to troubleshoot/improve homebrewed mechanical devices. Cheers!
My thoughts, too. Plus, if the gear is at the bottom end. Open the channel to drop the water out before it hits the sprocket. Once the water is past the last screw it serves no purpose.
Good afternoon Professor, I hope you are well. I confess, I'm no engineer, just a fan of your videos however a great friend of mine is and suggested the following; Put it in a tube, capture all the water and tighten the gap around the thread. Have a sloped exit downstream positioned past the thread. You could also use a waterwheel, filling buckets. The energy captured is very small. Energy=massxgravityxheight. Therefore having a larger drop may also help. Hope it helps 👍👍
Energy always follows the path of least resistance. Your clearance gaps in this case, will help a lot. Your 'water mass' flow rate through the device will determine how much energy/force you can convert from this. So either force all the stream through the device as the only channel, or creating a funnel in the stream that redirects the flow into the device, might be a cheaper option.
This is off subject for this video. But, you need to check out Ashton Forbes. You might also listen to Pat Gray unleashed podcast of April 26, 2024. It's right the podcast begins by talking about Malaysia 370, the plane that went missing in 2014. However, you'll like the ending of this podcast the best. down your alley -plasma orbs, teleportation, etc.
I really shouldn't comment as I have no engineering xp but I feel if you can place a diamond shaped cone up higher, mesh on 2 sides then feed it in a larger diameter tube than what you're using to the main tube ( keep that totally enclosed including the drive shaft tube so prevent debrit and maintain pressure flow if that's a thing ) should make you some decent torque. All the best mate.
Put a 90 deg elbow at each end at apposing directions and put the screw axle through them thus having the bearings outside the water flow as well as the drive mechanism. Run the screw in a fully enclosed pipe this way.
Few fundimental mistakes there Force all the flow of that channel thro a full tube thro the screw with a end plate in the channel any excess can flow over end dam plate take the drive with a toothed belt ...chain in water....errrr NO , i would use a plastic bush berings set up not sealed berings as they wont last very long in water , you want a large pully on the screw and small on the alternator...use a alternator permintant magnet 1 if you can as well tested and all the bits available from wind turbine world then charge a battery bank as they are widely available and may be some one will send for free test advertising 4u the screw wants to be plastic and as long as you can make it for tourqe from the weight of water and flow think about a 3d printer as also a great tool and also makes great you tube content , you doo good stuff my man!! After my own hart !
You need a large body of water that is elevated above the screw with a cone shaped feeder pipe going to the screw, wider end from the body of water narrower end at the screw ie: gravity + flow = force on the screw = high speed flow = higher revolutions = more power generation
To make the Archimedes screw work you need to create a reservoir by building a dam then then feed a pipe with same diameter as the screw from the bottom of the dam and into the screw. If you had a dam you could arrange a few of them side by side. An array of pelton turbines would also work well using the similar approach only for PTs you want to create high pressure water jets.
Would enclosing the screw in a tube rather than an open channel give the water a greater contact with the screw blades, and transfer more energy from water to the shaft.
It is possible, with enough flow, to get over 1,500 watts of AC power from a shallow well centrifugal pump and its mechanically connected inductive AC motor "run backwards'. The water spins the pump's impeller which spins the single phase motor. They say at least 6 feet of fall is needed but flow is also critical. The inductive motor's windings need to be rewired to be an alternator. The Frequency of the AC power (Hertz), depends on the speed of the motor's rotation, so powering devices that only run on 60 or 59 Hz could be an issue. The power can be converted to DC to charge batteries then inverted again, or if the flow is steady, the RPM can be "tuned" to get 60 or 50 Hz (tricky because this F can vary under electrical load). Note synchronous motors won't work as the alternator. A series wound DC motor can also be used with re-wiring as the alternator/generator (like from a treadmill), but the beauty of the AC concept is the fairly cheap "Off the Shelf" aspect requiring only the re-wiring of the pump/motor set as they come already mated together and ready for plumbing. There are several examples on the web.
Like it i think its not about speed with that sort of turbine but the size of the blades and the weight of water on the blades, but what about a vortex water turbine,
My personal opinion is that you should buy a small one for play or get serious. By serious, I mean that you should dam, sandbag or pipe water for a generator. Because generators don't like water, it would be beneficial to had that in a separate area.
put the screw into a closed pipe with 45 degree entrance and exit With a mini dam funnelling the water in the input pipe I think would really push the revs and torque up
Is there way to measure the point on water decline that strongest .....you go screw right top then water goes down screw ....if you have way to measure what point strongest flow ..... Is it better have it right at top ..or half way down or bottom .. what if had small screws ...three them ...then dug out 2foot drop then put screws right on edge like water falls almost vertical ...the end would erode so have to build end out with some rocks
A lighter screw would help. the larger mass of the metal is working against the pressure of the water flow and its not heavy enough act as a flywheel. The small diameter of the screw blades means it has to travel a lot faster than a traditional waterwheel and this means its ideal use is in high volume, high speed water flow. Its not the best for your situation, a traditional wheel with the water entering from the top will maximise the potential. Saying all that if its an experiment rather than real life use then your funnel idea is good, drop the mass of the screw, reduce as much friction on the moving parts and keep the drive system as small/short as possible.
Suspend the end of the discharge with a lattice like a suspension bridge theoretically reusing captured water and pumping it back up you wouldn't even need a large amount of water making it applicable everywhere
Paddlewheels are much more efficient. Use a V belt and not mechanical chain.. Don't mount\locate it on a corner. Dump water in from the top. Keep both ends out of the water. Divert exiting water away asap.
you may know that it is impossible to make a Tiny screw-type hydroturbine that is efficient. the type is best-suited for use with flow rates greater than point-three cubic meters per second. d
Your putting it in the water upside down.... Notice, in your own video intro, how the generator is on the high side of the machine. Extend the cog shaft, to exit the water's path completely, leaving your genny high and dry. This is the best position, as water always goes to earth. The next issue, is clearance, your pipe is allowing a lot of energy to bypass your screw. The final issue, is size. The reason the genny in the original video, is so small, but connected to such a large screw, is by inherent design limitations, size=torque. The inspirational screw you show us, has a multiplication gearbox, that also raises the genny out of the water. While it is a whimsical device, only half of it is doing work at any given time, meaning, the other half is unpowered mass. This is a necc evil as the water must have a path to work on, vs being just an obstructed pipe. Speaking of pipes, if you have an appreciable elevation change, it may be more productive to harness the energy of pressure, instead of purely relying on flow.
Ummm... Turbines work better. I'm not actually sure why we're still pimping lesser tech a hundred years later. Just build a sluice gate to the turbine. They cost less than big screws.EDIT: also this has been completely illegal in Ontario Canada since the 1980's. So a sneaky penstock to your turbine is the way to stay under the radar
Why not use gravity and heavey stone or metal balls to create a hydro pump that forces the water through a nozzle to create high pressure that can force a extremely fast generator to produce energy....just use the gravity to keep the balls on a complete circuit that continues its recycling movement over and over again until its manually turned off
Professor, make the design taper to a small end and surround the whole thing with a cone with open top and bottom. Then turn it small side down and let the water fill the cone up. This way, the small end picks up moment as the screw tightens and all you need to do is ensure it has water. You can even extend the big side of the cone and pill it with more water before releasing the bottom. The cone shape also will taurally form a whirlpool further increasing power. I can draw you a diagram on Elon place if you want. ♥️
Like it but should actually be other way round in a venturi a colecter cone into a expanding cone for the turbine. Dont forget water dont compress
So you concentrate the weight and speed of flow .
@@billschwandt1 sounds interesting!
After learning today, that light bulbs could last a lifetime, but on count of greed and way outdating thinking, we aren't allowed! Who knew how evil corporations are. Free power should be a human right, like clean water and fresh food! Love the project! That is super cool! Anything that moves humanity forward! Even a simple little idea like this, could lead to a practical solution. This would be great for camping trips! A simple charging station. Don't get a lot of sun for solar charging in the woods.
"Planned obsolescence." It's why cellphones only last a few years, and why Apple got in trouble for pushing updates that killed the battery, in order to force more purchases.
This is such an attractive idea! I wonder if folks in rainy areas can channel the rain falling on their roofs through Archimedes screws and power their homes. "Monsoon Season" would have a more lovely and positive connotation than it might otherwise have.
nice work and good luck with the scale up ...we are in France also ......LOt (46). always watch your uap episodes . In 97 we witnessed a massive black triangle near sheffield go over us.
In my younger years, I was a millwright. Also have a very strong background in automotive technology; therefore, very familiar with automotive alternators...
Don't use an auger. You would need to extend the flighting to at least double the diameter in order to get usable rotational torque. And the 500 rpm minimum necessary for an automotive alternator means you'll always be struggling with torque--as well as replacing bearing blocks.
I recommend a traditional water wheel. Achieve much higher torque at lower rpms, which can be geared up to meet the demands of a loaded alternator.
Is an Archimedes screw turbine so much more efficient than a traditional style water mill wheel?
Love this. Have ideas, want to see if madmen think alike, so I’ll see what you do with this next!
Those proposed improvements should be good. I assume you will eventually place a cover over the top of the screw converting the trough into a pipe, so a larger volume of water will push against the full area of the screw under more pressure . You might wish to have a conical piece of hardware cloth over the intake to shed floating debris from entering the screw.
I like the way you think. I have no formal engineering background whatsoever, but spent years out on an offgrid property in the middle of nowhere. Living out there forced me to learn plumbing/electric, and I was always trying some new adaptation to increase water pressure, power efficiency etc. Had to learn basic layperson physics/engineering principles just out of necessity. I always enjoy listening to likeminded people try to troubleshoot/improve homebrewed mechanical devices. Cheers!
Maybe a universal joint to angle the geared end up out of the way? Just spit ballin' here.
My thoughts, too.
Plus, if the gear is at the bottom end. Open the channel to drop the water out before it hits the sprocket. Once the water is past the last screw it serves no purpose.
Great idea!
I think keep the scoop.
a longer shaft raising the motor and gears way out of the water. Maybe a full enclosed screw?
Good afternoon Professor, I hope you are well. I confess, I'm no engineer, just a fan of your videos however a great friend of mine is and suggested the following;
Put it in a tube, capture all the water and tighten the gap around the thread. Have a sloped exit downstream positioned past the thread. You could also use a waterwheel, filling buckets. The energy captured is very small. Energy=massxgravityxheight. Therefore having a larger drop may also help.
Hope it helps 👍👍
Energy always follows the path of least resistance.
Your clearance gaps in this case, will help a lot.
Your 'water mass' flow rate through the device will determine how much energy/force you can convert from this.
So either force all the stream through the device as the only channel, or creating a funnel in the stream that redirects the flow into the device, might be a cheaper option.
This is off subject for this video. But, you need to check out Ashton Forbes. You might also listen to Pat Gray unleashed podcast of April 26, 2024. It's right the podcast begins by talking about Malaysia 370, the plane that went missing in 2014. However, you'll like the ending of this podcast the best. down your alley
-plasma orbs, teleportation, etc.
UFO Confirmation - Prof Simon
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Make them small enough to go into down pipes of guttering. Every little helps.
I really shouldn't comment as I have no engineering xp but I feel if you can place a diamond shaped cone up higher, mesh on 2 sides then feed it in a larger diameter tube than what you're using to the main tube ( keep that totally enclosed including the drive shaft tube so prevent debrit and maintain pressure flow if that's a thing ) should make you some decent torque. All the best mate.
Thread rate is critical as is slope angle, try some Schauberger/Fibonacci application to condense the water as it flows to generate more torque 🙂
Put a 90 deg elbow at each end at apposing directions and put the screw axle through them thus having the bearings outside the water flow as well as the drive mechanism. Run the screw in a fully enclosed pipe this way.
Few fundimental mistakes there
Force all the flow of that channel thro a full tube thro the screw with a end plate in the channel any excess can flow over end dam plate take the drive with a toothed belt ...chain in water....errrr NO , i would use a plastic bush berings set up not sealed berings as they wont last very long in water , you want a large pully on the screw and small on the alternator...use a alternator permintant magnet 1 if you can as well tested and all the bits available from wind turbine world then charge a battery bank as they are widely available and may be some one will send for free test advertising 4u the screw wants to be plastic and as long as you can make it for tourqe from the weight of water and flow think about a 3d printer as also a great tool and also makes great you tube content , you doo good stuff my man!!
After my own hart !
Might sap some power, but what about worm/miter/bevel gears to take that vertically out of the flow path?
Awesome Simon!!
Actually, I went ahead and drew it up and tagged you. Hope it helps!
Its a nice design. How do you keep the bearings from rusting?
I don't
You need a large body of water that is elevated above the screw with a cone shaped feeder pipe going to the screw, wider end from the body of water narrower end at the screw ie: gravity + flow = force on the screw = high speed flow = higher revolutions = more power generation
For a small channel with fast flowing water like that I think you'd do better using pelton turbines.
To make the Archimedes screw work you need to create a reservoir by building a dam then then feed a pipe with same diameter as the screw from the bottom of the dam and into the screw. If you had a dam you could arrange a few of them side by side. An array of pelton turbines would also work well using the similar approach only for PTs you want to create high pressure water jets.
Couldn't you turn it the other way around so the cog is at the top end, then flare out the channel at that end to allow more water in?
Would enclosing the screw in a tube rather than an open channel give the water a greater contact with the screw blades, and transfer more energy from water to the shaft.
It is possible, with enough flow, to get over 1,500 watts of AC power from a shallow well centrifugal pump and its mechanically connected inductive AC motor "run backwards'. The water spins the pump's impeller which spins the single phase motor. They say at least 6 feet of fall is needed but flow is also critical. The inductive motor's windings need to be rewired to be an alternator. The Frequency of the AC power (Hertz), depends on the speed of the motor's rotation, so powering devices that only run on 60 or 59 Hz could be an issue. The power can be converted to DC to charge batteries then inverted again, or if the flow is steady, the RPM can be "tuned" to get 60 or 50 Hz (tricky because this F can vary under electrical load). Note synchronous motors won't work as the alternator.
A series wound DC motor can also be used with re-wiring as the alternator/generator (like from a treadmill), but the beauty of the AC concept is the fairly cheap "Off the Shelf" aspect requiring only the re-wiring of the pump/motor set as they come already mated together and ready for plumbing. There are several examples on the web.
Like it i think its not about speed with that sort of turbine but the size of the blades and the weight of water on the blades, but what about a vortex water turbine,
Need to create a vertical archimedes spiral and tell the kids its a new slide. ;)
Helter Skelter 2.0
Respected sir Love from Pakistan 🇵🇰
at the egress make the shaft longer so the cog is further away from the exit flow.
yep...working on that as i type....ha
Hi Professor 🧑🏫 😃
My personal opinion is that you should buy a small one for play or get serious. By serious, I mean that you should dam, sandbag or pipe water for a generator. Because generators don't like water, it would be beneficial to had that in a separate area.
If you cut the end off an Archimedes screw you get a propeller.👍 I think you need a bigger drop I think it's 1 bar per 10 metres drop.
Put universal shaft joint before the cog so it can be located out of the water
What about a water wheel?
put the screw into a closed pipe with 45 degree entrance and exit With a mini dam funnelling the water in the input pipe I think would really push the revs and torque up
good idea....a closed pipe might work better.
@@SimonHollandfilms Forgot to say the input pipe should be several yards long to give it some head pressure.
Is there way to measure the point on water decline that strongest .....you go screw right top then water goes down screw ....if you have way to measure what point strongest flow .....
Is it better have it right at top ..or half way down or bottom ..
what if had small screws ...three them ...then dug out 2foot drop then put screws right on edge like water falls almost vertical ...the end would erode so have to build end out with some rocks
Did NICOLA TESLA actually take a Peirce Arrow car and convert it too an electric car with no batteries = just an ANTENNA too run it ? ? ?
You could surely make one of these that are dragged behind a Boat ⛵ 🚢 with a funnel at the intake
A lighter screw would help. the larger mass of the metal is working against the pressure of the water flow and its not heavy enough act as a flywheel.
The small diameter of the screw blades means it has to travel a lot faster than a traditional waterwheel and this means its ideal use is in high volume, high speed water flow.
Its not the best for your situation, a traditional wheel with the water entering from the top will maximise the potential.
Saying all that if its an experiment rather than real life use then your funnel idea is good, drop the mass of the screw, reduce as much friction on the moving parts and keep the drive system as small/short as possible.
put a funnel on top????
Suspend the end of the discharge with a lattice like a suspension bridge theoretically reusing captured water and pumping it back up you wouldn't even need a large amount of water making it applicable everywhere
Kris Harbour makes water powered gennies for domestic use. The regular type though.
Paddlewheels are much more efficient. Use a V belt and not mechanical chain.. Don't mount\locate it on a corner. Dump water in from the top. Keep both ends out of the water. Divert exiting water away asap.
cover the top of the screw
If the screw were in a water channel wider it would probably work better
you may know that it is impossible to make a Tiny screw-type hydroturbine that is efficient. the type is best-suited for use with flow rates greater than point-three cubic meters per second. d
I don't have water near my house, but I'm working on something that is very interesting
Sounds great!
@@SimonHollandfilms I'll let you know when I've finished the video I make about it
use a turbine, seems a good steady flow
Shouldn't be too hard to incorporate a constant-velocity joint 🙂
Free ⚡⚡Yes Please... Gearing!!
Personally I would start by using one of Tesla's water wheels as a basis instead of a screw .
Look up “Saith electric motor” is it real?
Try a chain, Professor Simon.
Your putting it in the water upside down.... Notice, in your own video intro, how the generator is on the high side of the machine. Extend the cog shaft, to exit the water's path completely, leaving your genny high and dry. This is the best position, as water always goes to earth. The next issue, is clearance, your pipe is allowing a lot of energy to bypass your screw. The final issue, is size. The reason the genny in the original video, is so small, but connected to such a large screw, is by inherent design limitations, size=torque. The inspirational screw you show us, has a multiplication gearbox, that also raises the genny out of the water. While it is a whimsical device, only half of it is doing work at any given time, meaning, the other half is unpowered mass. This is a necc evil as the water must have a path to work on, vs being just an obstructed pipe.
Speaking of pipes, if you have an appreciable elevation change, it may be more productive to harness the energy of pressure, instead of purely relying on flow.
Also....Tesla turbine ?
fish 🐟
Ummm... Turbines work better. I'm not actually sure why we're still pimping lesser tech a hundred years later. Just build a sluice gate to the turbine. They cost less than big screws.EDIT: also this has been completely illegal in Ontario Canada since the 1980's. So a sneaky penstock to your turbine is the way to stay under the radar
First you need a river
X=m (cx c)
What you mean you haven’t already done this to your water mill, first thing I’d have done. Come on we are Scottish we are better than this.
yea....ive tried various things....this is the new project.
Why not use gravity and heavey stone or metal balls to create a hydro pump that forces the water through a nozzle to create high pressure that can force a extremely fast generator to produce energy....just use the gravity to keep the balls on a complete circuit that continues its recycling movement over and over again until its manually turned off
Free power said allowed brings the gov a Knockin! The guy wi the car that ran on water springs to mind
I wondered about that. They don't like being screwed out of money....
He left the UK because of Brexit one of very many who said they would leave. We waiting for the rest of them to go.
just buy some grain auger flighting, save you a shit ton of time
i will look for one in the scrap yard.