Looking for a system to pass the time at a crap's table that is COLD. Here is a great one to use and that works very well. It's all in knowing how to bet
there's no greater feeling in craps than having a don't pass and 2 don't comes, all with odds, and seeing that 7 come out and you get to scoop $100 profit while the dealers collect everyone else's chips
i have been playing this system for 20 years and can honestly say it is the most consistent way to walk away a winner. you need to start off with a decent bankroll and be disiplin with money management to weather the storm ..but if you have the time and the $$$. there is no better way to play craps to win...
I have been playing this way for a while and usually end up. If I am feeling very aggressive then I will put 3 against the table and then if a 7 has not come up yet then I will try to get 3 numbers against the table and 3 numbers with the table.
There is no such thing as a winning craps system. Learning all you can merely allows you to lose your money at a slower rate. There is no winning bet on a craps table. Period.
I used a similar strategy and won $175.00 in under 30 minutes and walked away a winner!! Betting the "Dark Side" is the better strategy!! Great video, thank you for the advice and I learned something new!!
I am primarily a don't pass bettor. I don't care whether the shooter is hot or cold. What I care about is whether the 7 will come out within 4 or 5 rolls or if the number or numbers I bet on will hit or the seven will hit. I am guessing as to what the trend is coming or what trend just happened. A hot table usually means the 7 comes out on the come out rolls or after a point is made. A cold table usually means the 7 comes within 3 rolls after a point is made or if all the rolls thrown are craps or 11 before a 7 is thrown. The majority of craps tables are choppy with 4 to 10 rolls with a standard deviation of 4 (on the down side) between 7 coming out again. In the long run there is only a 20% chance at most that a single point number or place bet will hit twice before a 7 hits. You should treat all bets as single separate bets but the total bets on the table as your risk of loss. Bets that can be removed or placed are more valuable than hold bets till an outcome.
I love reading comments about when to bet don't pass or otherwise based on if the shooter is hot or cold. It doesn't matter what the shooters temperature is or how lucky/unlucky they or the "table" has been because every time the dice are picked up the odds are exactly what they would be in an other circumstance.
I agree no matter what the roll chances of getting a 7 is 6 to 1 on every roll. However there are times when shooters go on shots. To continue bet into a shot may cause you to go on tilt because you keep telling yourself they have to eventually 7 out. That is why I prefer to go 2 numbers and off. I either go completely off the table or I wait for the shooter to finish out his shot until he 7 out.
I think full all odds should be taken on all bets. I also go by the "2 and off" method which simply means if the shooter hits to Points don't bet until he 7 outs or pick up your chips and go to another table. Also very important to understand if your having a bad day you should leave the casino will be there tomorrow and you play better with a clear mind. Sometimes when your mind isn't clear you start chasing money and that is an easy way to lose everything you got. This should be considered a job and not for entertainment. These methods are to make your money which I would suggest should be between 15 to 20% of your bankroll. Once you have made your money you leave your work is done. The casinos love their players to put in a lot of time the reason is the more time you play the less likely your going to win.
when i play craps, it is to win, not to have fun or make friends. i bet the dp with 3 dc bets. when i lose one dc, i remove all the odds and place the number where i have a dc bet. you cannot lose and if your dc number is rolled, you make a little profit. the only time i lose, is when i am talking with other players or my ego gets in the way.
I like your strategy when losing one dc. What about the following scenarios: 2 dc bets on then you lose one; or what do you do when you have 2 or 3 dc bets with odds and the point is hit and you lose your DP bet. Do you keep refreshing the DP bet?
Paul I love your videos they have really made my trips to the casino worth while please pay attention guys I have made money from listening carefully to what he is saying and do not stray he is not lying if you lose your don't on that shooter please stop I chased a don't but hit a hard 6 and a hard 8 almost back to back and a high rollar gave me 2 hundred dollars so also remember that if you do good sometimes people throw you a few chips
I rarely play the pass line. Almost always the Don’t. If I lose a point i wait until that shooter 7s put avoiding a hot roll. If a table is hot I don’t play it. I constantly win every time I play. Sometimes a little. Sometimes more. Been playing 3 hours this trip in Vegas. Started with $200. Up $250. Will NOT dip into my initial $200. In other words I can’t lose money now.
The strategy sounds good. Many people are not familiar with the rules on the Darkside. If you are betting the "DC" you can remove a bet anytime from an established number after the come-out roll.
Although I agree with your strategy- I would like to point out that A: you can say "No Action" on the Don't Come, in this case the chips would not move to 6 and B: Let us say the shooter rolls a 6 or 8 on the come out, you can pick up your Don't Pass.
This man is exactly RIGHT about : If someone comes out with a 7 / 11 front-line-winner and you're on the Don't-Pass...... STOP betting and lay off that shooter !! You NEVER want to get on the ass end of a come-out 7 streak shooter !! They will destroy your bankroll in a single turn, better just to take a 1 unit hit and make it back on the next shooter.
WTF are you talking about.... "there's no such thing" ?? I've seen them myself many DOZENS of times !! And the trick for "Don''t Players" is to not try and get caught up in a direct battle with those shooters by continually betting DON'T, and getting fucked by a 7. Is there something called the principle of independent events...... sure, and should dice players understand that..... Yes. But they should also understand that there ARE shooters that come out HOT with repetitive 7 / 11 winners, and to lay off.
It doesn't even need to be a "streak", all it takes is 2 or 3, and you are sure to lose $$ on their roll. If it's a streak, and you get yourself psychologically trapped into thinking that "Oh, the next roll is independent...... this won't happen to my smart ass again....... I'll keep going heads-up with this 7 - 11 shooter......", and before you know it, your walking away from the table with a busted bank-roll !! When all you really had to do is just back the fuck off for 1 or 2 rolls, and pick up the better action AFTER they set a point (from the D.C.). Simple. And watching a particular shooters history that day can (and does) give you some valuable insight. Believe it or not...... YES, it does.
+marby602 2 dollar 7 for every 5 dollar dont pass gets you on the board or a win, double your 7 bet every time it hits and collect winnings until you come out if you're afraid of 7. its a very cheap hedge. same with a dollar crap on the pass line
I'm fully aware of the law of independent occurrences...... I'm also aware of the self-destructive mentality that can fuck up a DON'T player when they try to bump heads with a 7-11 streak shooter !! I was just playing last weekend, and doing well on the DON'T as usual, and the new shooter came out with a 11. As per my rule to Lay Off until they set a point, and then go to the D.C....... I waited, and that shooter proceeded to roll 1 more 11, followed by 4 7's !! I only got hit by the first one, and NONE of the other 5 hits touched me. I waited for him to set his point of SIX, and went to the D.C. and went behind the 5 with 8x-Odds, and won. Random is Random........ but never try to fight a streak shooter on the come-out !!
Try this- stand at the table until the dice go all the way around, making note of who seems to be a better/luckier shooter & who's awful. Then play pass/don't based on what you saw in the previous round. If you're betting right way, do an iron cross with odds on the pass bet. If betting wrong way, wave off if shooter throws 6 or 8. Otherwise lay odds on don't pass when number is 4, 5, 9, 10. Bet don't come & get 2 numbers total working, then wait. Replenish as necessary. Be flexible about betting right/wrong. Get a feel for who's a hot shooter & who's cold. Then bet accordingly. Works for me.
I always hear 1.41% for the Pass bets, but I get different numbers for the Don'ts: Wizard of Odds puts the Don't Pass at 1.36%, J. Edward Allen has them at 1.40% like you. So, I don't get why there is a discrepancy on the dark side.
Paul. good video. Only thing I would have added was to let people know that if they hit a 7 on the come out then they only win their 5 and not the odds stacked behind it.
It is hit or miss. I've been on both sides of it. Play the don't and a guy will roll 7,11,11,7,7 and you are down 25 before a number is even hit, but I do like playing the don't. What I like to do though is not play the don't pass line. I wait for the shooter to hit a number then roll 3 to 5 times and then play a don't come bet. When playing the don't, I don't like getting my money out there to fast.
Never understood why craps players are so polarized. It's the only game where most players consider themselves "pass" players or "don't" players. That's like playing Baccarat and only betting on the player each and every hand. It's like betting on red at the Roulette table on every spin!! It's ok to bet the pass for a few shooters and then switch and play the don't for a few shooters. Heck, you can bet the pass line, establish a point, then bet the don't come and establish a don't point....
This is the Fast Action Play by the one and only Sam Grafstein. You should have talked about the individual betting stakes, the lockup and stop loss moves in this strategy. This is an excellent strategy for the back line billy but difficult to comprehend all the moves.
+Pin High Great to know someone else that has read Sam's book and knows the value of playing the dark side. Sam Grafstein was not only a great teacher and gambler, he had a great sense of humor. If everyone interested in learning the game of craps would read Sam Grafstein's book; 'The Dice Doctor' they would be as good a craps player as they can be. The most challenging thing is choosing a discapline of consistency and proper risk management...A system is easy once you have the proper knowledge. Self control, there is the challenge!!!
DON'T LAY ODDS. You win 100% on your bet when you don't lay odds When you bet $20 to win $10 you are giving back the advantage to the casino. Don't lay odds they have to pay you 100% on your bet not 80% or 50%. You should take a small hard way bet on the 4,6,8, & 10 to get another way to win. You place a small hedge bet to save your LARGE Don't bet. Stop laying odds because when the player does roll his number you lose too much money.
The best way to play the don’t pass line. 1.) $5 dollar table you will need a $300 bank roll 2.) $34 on the don’t pass line 3.) roller rolls YOUR hoping for the ROLLER to hit 2,3 are a point. Great shooter hits a number. 4.) you take $34 and play all the numbers 4,5,6,8,9,10 5.) what you want now is to have a shooter who just rolls numbers so you are getting paid. 6.) shooter rolls 7 you loss your $34 on the numbers 4-10 but you get it back on the don’t pass line
If a don't pass loses on a 7 or 11 on the come out roll. (What about the use of side bets that pay 4 to 1 on a 7 and a single bet on a Yo 11. Example: Place: $10 on dont pass at beginning. Place also $4 on a 4 to 1 pay for "any 7" this mitigates and hedges against 7's in beginning. Place $1.00 on the YO 11 which pays 15 to 1. Hence mitigating risk of an 11. If you roll your needed 2 or 3 bet you are up 5. After losing the one time side bets. If you roll one of the side bets, they hedge the loss onn your dont pass. Finally, if you roll any other number, you only lose 5 dollar side bet (yes commission, casino winning here) but you have the opportunity to recoup the 5 dollar loss through the 2nd phase of the round. Making sure to place an equal amount on the point as your don't pass and odds. Thereafter, can play up to 4 regular numbers so long as you can leverage enough on your odds to prevent a loss if the point is rolled. Hence: you will only need to recoup 5 dollars per shooter round in order to profit slowly. This is the most conservative strategy I have thought of so far.
Playing the don't come is a great strategy but I wouldn't bet the 6's or 8's. I usually only play the don't come when it's a 4, 5, 9, or 10. If you really wanted to be safe just the 4 and the 10. And I usually play the pass line with don't come bets just to balance it out a bit and hedge my bets. The pass isn't a bad bet either. Another interesting way to approach it would be to play both the come and don't come at the same time, and which one you end up playing depends on what's rolled.
Pass Line is what keeps these places open. Once the shooter establishes a number the odds favor the house over the long run. Everyone thinks the pass line is so great, LOL! I will take every single 6 or 8 you end up on as a Don't bettor..over time I will win MOST of them, it just has to be. Unless of course, EVERY shooter pre-sets the dice and is successful over 75% of the time in repeating 6's or 8's which in unrealistic in both counts. I will give you the chips you have on every no 6 or no 8 for an entire night. I will win most of them.
I find I have better success with this system if I don't lay heavy odds against the 4 or 10 early in the rolling cycle(not a lot of on-going rolls). Often, I will lay less than the flat bet amount, if the dice have gone a long time w/ many numbers and multiple passes consecutively I generally will step up the amount of the lay on those 2, otherwise I generally go easy on them. I find losing too many of those 2 for 1 wagers is very difficult to overcome in the course of a few hours in a night. Thoughts? I also would rather lay more on the 5 or 9, the 6 or 8 I usually always lay odds(sometimes both at the same time, sometimes just one of these(usually the one that's the point). The 5 or 9 is superior over time vs the 4 or 10 because of the payout(laying the odds wise).
dontswin I always wait 2 rolls before laying the odds bet behind the 4-or-10, because usually, if they are going to fuck your bet over...... they will do it "right-back".
+dontswin I suggest you get your thinking straightened out by reading The best book on craps is 'The Dice Doctor" by Sam Grafstein. Period. I have read them all.
Does this ^ mean you are a right bettor? I am slowly coming around to the realization that everyone should probably bet right, but that means also being able to survive some serious losses right out of the gate. Either way you bet, you really need serious capital I believe.
+dontswin Read 'The Dice Doctor" by Sam Grafstein. That will answer your questions. He will tell you how to how to bet "right'/do/pass or 'wrong'/ don't or from the dark side. It's been said; "if you think education is expensive, try ignorance".
+dontswin The more Capital you have, The more you will lose in the long run, The best way to bet in craps in the long run is on the Don't Pass with full odds. No system can beat this way of play - 100% Guaranteed
I'll start with 100 on a minimum 10 table. 6 times I'll bet don't come...4 times I bet come.... win 75 percent of the time......if I win 50 I'll bet on a come bet....if I lose I just walk away and try another day
JonBenait06 no need to lie...It also depends whos shooting. are they drinking. what is their chip count...So there are many factors into why I make those bests
wait for new shooter and play again, I play a 3 max dc against house and wait for a 7. Its a slow growth process but have won fairly regularly being patient.
Laying odds against a number is probably the 2nd worst bet on the crap table, with "red" or "skinny" being the worst. When you lay the odds against a point, like a 4 in the video, if you win, you'll get paid $20 for your $30 investment. You'll only get a 66% return off of your investment. If you don't lay any odds against, you'll get a 100% return on your investment. And the more money you lay, the more advantage you're giving back to the house. If I play the don't, I'll just chunk out a couple of hundred and I won't lay any odds against it. And I hear people saying, "That's just $500 you lost on the come out roll playing the don't pass". And I just tell them, "The first rule of gaming is that you don't gamble with money that you can't lose financial, and even more emotionally." I've been a crap dealer for more than 30 years, both in Southern and Northern Nevada. And there's one fact that I always tell people.... the casinos don't stay open by giving away money.
As a craps dealer you should certainly know that the number 4 is a 2/1 proposition not 3/2 as you point out in your comment. When you lay odds against the 4 ( you said $30 to win $20. Correction: it would be $40 to win $20. Any 1st week dealer would know that.
You have a $10 flat. The shooter rolls a 4 or a 10. You LAY $20 with your flat bet. THAT'S A $30 TOTAL INVESTMENT. The shooter then rolls a 7 out. Your flat bet of $10 will pay you $10. Your $20 lay is going to pay $10. So, your TOTAL investment, a $10 flat with a $20 lay($30) is going to pay a total of $20($10 for the flat and $10 for the $20 lay). And that's a perfect example of why casinos stay open. Too many people think they know the odds or have a "system" to beat the house. I said it once and I'll say it again... THE CASINOS DON'T STAY OPEN BY GIVING MONEY AWAY.
Dont pull down a dont. Place a do bet to counter the loss. $100 dont on the 8 and then place the 8 for $90. You cant lose if your taking it down anyway.
bryan guerra I believe winning $650 with 'just' $150 is nearly an impossible feat! Are you sure you didn't bet all kinds of other things? Don't forget you are laying odds on a few points or DC bets, what you did is highly unlikely if not impossible as a wrong bettor! 3 for your 1 says you won't do that again in your lifetime with various small wagers! Good Luck!
dontswin well it wasn't my first rodeo. I'm an avid better, just never took this approach. I nickel and dimed the first two hours then I hit $2 on a high low. Before I left I got real ballsy and put $100 on the field and rolled a 12 😀
To the people who say that they lay off the DONT'S for a hot come out shooter, why don't you just bet "any 7," lay odds against a number, or switch to betting the Passline while they're rolling to capitalize on their so called consistency? Not doing so implies either that your belief in a shooter being "hot" is flimsy even to you, you think it's unethical to make money by not betting the DONT'S, or that you're superstitious/irrational.
You can lay behind the point once it is established. The casino will charge you 5% of what you stand to make if you win. If you lose, the casino might not charge you the vig. That's the way it is down south. But if you play in Northern Nevada, you'll have to pay the vig up front, win or lose.
If it's a 5 dollar table and I bet 5 on don't pass or don't come and the number is five or nine, what is the minimum amount in odds I can put down? I'm confused because most of the videos are 10 dollar bets and they lay 15 dollars on the 5 or 9. So what would the odds amount be for the 5 and 9 on a five dollar bet? One video said an even dollar amount? Is that correct? Thanks so much for your help! Still learning and trust your videos the most! :)
I have never seen a $5 minimum, only $10. However, if the point is a 5 or 9, you would have to put down $6 odds to win $4 on a $5 table but some casinos let you put down less than the table minimum for odds.
Thanks, Bryan! It's a gambling boat, so I called them to ask and they said it's a $5 minimum table. I had never heard of one either. Thanks for your help!
+walter vidal Not a don't pass. If the point is established, you can not put money on the don't pass. You can put on the don't come. However if a point is established, you can still put money on the pass and odds. The reason being is because the 7 has the highest probability of coming up. Casino doesnt care if you put money on pass after point because 7 is most probable and you'll lose. They won't let you don't pass after because theres a high probability of you winning. You need to be on the don't before the point is established because then theres a high probability of losing (aka a 7 on the come out roll)
You may bet on the don't come. It's then a first roll bet for that money. You may LAY the odds on the "dark side" then after that first roll bet is assigned a number.
I really think at a $25 min. game you need way more than $750! I would say somewhere in the neighborhood of $2250, especially if your going up on 3 donts at a time with odds. I would never attempt a $25 table with just $750 for there are no guarantees that you will start winning right away. You will probably start getting grinded right away after which you will generally find yourself trying to get even or thereabouts. To each his own.
I do not believe there is much (or any) value in laying the odds when DON'T betting. To me you are somewhat minimizing the advantage you have once you get a point to bet against. You are getting even money on the original bet but you are getting less than even money on your odds bet (even though it is true odds). You are putting too much money in action when you start laying single, double, or more odds. Get past the come out roll (not so easy as you will only win on 3 of 8 outcomes until you get a point) and then pray for 7. No odds!
The reason a Don't bettor would want to lay odds is the fact that the 7 or 11 will beat him initially(in the Don't Pass or Don't Come box) That will require more and more INITIAL Don't bets which will become more objects that can get hit again with 7 and 11's'. The odds portion which win will recover some of the money that was lost on initial placements of Don't bets. Try it some day, LOL without odds, you will eventually get destroyed.
@@dontswin The odds are paid at true odds, so the wins with odds only pay for the losses with odds. There's no way to "pay" for the failed Don'ts on the come out rolls.
I didn't believe in odds either, but the first night I started laying them I won my first 10k. I've won well into the six figures laying odds, you're an advantage once the point is established and there's no house edge on those odds. It's the only way to overcome the come out roll. Many times I've had a 1k flat bet with 6k behind it. I do not care what the point is I'll always lay max odds and unlike most I prefer the 6 and 8 because it pays more. It doesn't take much to win 10k, 20k, 30k in less than hour when you press the bets up with max odds.
i like this system. lets say you have the 8 and 5 aganist(you played dont comes) I like to then play 2 or 3 times on the come,then you will have 2 comes live and then your still live with 2 dont come numbers. So your still looking for that 7 to come in(like in his example). but if you get some come bets going,its can be a fun scenerio if you can get hot..
The odds on the 5 & 9 are 3/2. If you lay the odds on the 5 & 9 you put up multiples of 3 to win 2. If you are playing the way most folks do on the "do" side, you would take the odds by betting multiples of 2 to win 3. Hope that helps
Karjayk88: In the video above, Paul learned the strategy he shows from the book "The Dice Doctor" by Sam Grafstein. If you want to know everything about craps and the better ways to play, buy the aforementioned book. To have any sort of decent success on the craps table, you must know the game well. That book will provide you what you need to know about betting both sides of the table and staying away from the sucker bets. Good luck to you. By the way, is that a picture of you or some beautiful movie star from the past?
+Nancy Sandoval Not stupid at all…plenty of people do it to be able to lay the odds on the don't pass…the only time you can get hurt is if a 12 is rolled…you would lose the pass line bet and push on the don't pass...
+Dave S There is a slight disadvantage betting this way as the 12 is rolled 2.78% of the time but here is why it's good. when betting on the Don't Pass line, you are at a 13.89% house edge to set the point. Betting this way allows players to play true odds. That being said, It is still better to play the Don't Pass and take full odds in the long run
+Nancy Sandoval That is hedging and basically you are giving the casino money because one side has to lose. If you want to hedge a DP bet of 15 don't put 15 on the pass line. Put $3 hop sevens and a dollar on the 11. Costs you less and accomplishes the same thing..a hedge.
I would much rather play max odds before placing a don't come bet. Why would you risk 8 ways to lose on a don't come bet when you could easily add up to 60 dollars in odds behind your 10 dollar flat bet. If your feeling more adventurous, just bump the flat bet so you can get more odds. I also find it a bit baffling how many people will put 25/50 on the don't pass and barely put any odds. My recommendation to any new don't player is to never lay any more on the flat bet than your willing to put odds behind. The more odds the closer to true zero you get.with this approach I've made many incredible wins, however the house edge still exist and you'll still face the losses over the long run.
I like to play the dark side at my local casino because nobody seems get hot....My question is, when I bet the don't pass, I usually lay the max odds when the point is established, but I just realized that the better bet is to just bet more on the don't pass, and don't lay any odds at all.....right? Risk what I would normally have on the don't pass with odds on just the don't pass.
This issue came up with some friends of mine at a Reno casino the other day. I always laid odds on my don't bets and my friend didn't. We had a small argument and I couldn't, with confidence, give him a good reason why I laid odds on my bets other than reducing the vig. So I googled it and found an old article written by Al Krigman at Casino City Times and he points out that laying odds is good only if you're there for the long haul and care about longevity and profit. If you care more about being a big shot or getting comped often and much then don't lay odds. The law of large numbers comes into it.
It does not reduce the house percentages against you. Nobody has an advantage on odds bets, but the house still has an advantage on the pass line/ don't pass line bet
+bob moore You are risking more money but there is no house edge when laying odds behind your bet. Think of it this way. You are in the most danger of losing on the 1st roll to set a point. now any bet you make behind your bet pays with no house edge. Hope this helps. Check out my " Craps Talk " Channel
This is why I was confused when he was talking about a 3 on the come out roll. Then stack don't rack. He said they rolled a 3-3-2....that rarely ever happens and I would consider any 2 or 3 on the come out roll a gift. Seems like it would be smarter to rack it not stack it.
It is a rare event indeed but I have seen it. Generally, it's my observation after yo's and craps A 7 is right around the corner. When will people ever understand yo's and craps rolls PREVENT other numbers from appearing, there's a bunch of those place numbers that are on the sides of the dice. The yo's and craps rolls kept the place numbers at bay. A huge edge for the wrong bettor after his bets are on the board established.
sureshot556 exactly 7/11 normally stick after a crap come out that’s usually my alert time time hop my 7’s cause it’s so common video didn’t give my any confident edges on the house what so ever
Ok, 2 rolls you get a craps is a nice win on 2 DP bets then 3rd roll BANG SEVEN, there goes the entire thing. Seriously guy how often will you ever see that happen? I might have seen it just a few times in my lifetime someone threw 3 craps in a row, on the Come Out roll, ridiculous! I've seen it more often in the middle of the rolls when someone is trying to get his point made. Very often it's my experience craps comes seven(s). Come on guy give us something more substantial that's more reasonable, which is more valid. Craps, yo's are the Don't bettor's best friend when 3 don't are set up, THEY PREVENT any of the place numbers from being hit. Each roll a wrong bettor survives the closer he becomes to winning that particular short time event, thx.
Another fallacy comment. Hedging will not make you money. You were lucky enough to get past that 7 or 11 that would initially beat you, now you're giving your much bigger edge back to the house by place betting it. It's ok sometimes to Place bet the 6 or 8 when you've been losing overall lately and can't stomach another loss. Hedging will not make you money as a general rule. But say you were on a don't bet with an amount you really didn't want to lose AND you had to leave the casino for the night, you could always hedge it to make a small win or about even to be done with it.
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there's no greater feeling in craps than having a don't pass and 2 don't comes, all with odds, and seeing that 7 come out and you get to scoop $100 profit while the dealers collect everyone else's chips
Haha, but what about all those 7/11s on your come out rolls ;)
@@frankrosenthal3306 You won't get even money that way. You'll be betting true odds and paying commission.
@@frankrosenthal3306 you spell about as well as the REAL Donald lmao
I know that feeling well.
i have been playing this system for 20 years and can honestly say it is the most consistent way to walk away a winner. you need to start off with a decent bankroll and be disiplin with money management to weather the storm ..but if you have the time and the $$$. there is no better way to play craps to win...
I have been playing this way for a while and usually end up. If I am feeling very aggressive then I will put 3 against the table and then if a 7 has not come up yet then I will try to get 3 numbers against the table and 3 numbers with the table.
There is no such thing as a winning craps system. Learning all you can merely allows you to lose your money at a slower rate. There is no winning bet on a craps table. Period.
as i asked up top, what does one do if a shooter knocks off all of your dc bets, including your dp bet?
Scott Martin shut yo "there is no Santa clause ass up"
Robert Jr wait that shooter out and begin again when the dice changes hands
I used a similar strategy and won $175.00 in under 30 minutes and walked away a winner!! Betting the "Dark Side" is the better strategy!! Great video, thank you for the advice and I learned something new!!
I am primarily a don't pass bettor. I don't care whether the shooter is hot or cold. What I care about is whether the 7 will come out within 4 or 5 rolls or if the number or numbers I bet on will hit or the seven will hit. I am guessing as to what the trend is coming or what trend just happened. A hot table usually means the 7 comes out on the come out rolls or after a point is made. A cold table usually means the 7 comes within 3 rolls after a point is made or if all the rolls thrown are craps or 11 before a 7 is thrown. The majority of craps tables are choppy with 4 to 10 rolls with a standard deviation of 4 (on the down side) between 7 coming out again. In the long run there is only a 20% chance at most that a single point number or place bet will hit twice before a 7 hits. You should treat all bets as single separate bets but the total bets on the table as your risk of loss. Bets that can be removed or placed are more valuable than hold bets till an outcome.
I am only a don't pass player would love to have a conversation with you. email: cinray@gmail.com Ray
When I play the Don'ts I like to go very early in the morning on a weekday & u have it all to yourself.
I love reading comments about when to bet don't pass or otherwise based on if the shooter is hot or cold. It doesn't matter what the shooters temperature is or how lucky/unlucky they or the "table" has been because every time the dice are picked up the odds are exactly what they would be in an other circumstance.
To not acknowledge that streaks happen is foolish... Streaks do happen.
Me too Konichi. Most people don't understand randomness. The previous rolls have zero bearing on future rolls.
I agree no matter what the roll chances of getting a 7 is 6 to 1 on every roll. However there are times when shooters go on shots. To continue bet into a shot may cause you to go on tilt because you keep telling yourself they have to eventually 7 out. That is why I prefer to go 2 numbers and off. I either go completely off the table or I wait for the shooter to finish out his shot until he 7 out.
I love when people come up to the table and ask if table is hot or cold. I always say its normal.
NDFOOTBALL. LOL. Guy beside me last week turned his best off every two rolls. I just shook my head and the dealer started laughing
I think full all odds should be taken on all bets. I also go by the "2 and off" method which simply means if the shooter hits to Points don't bet until he 7 outs or pick up your chips and go to another table.
Also very important to understand if your having a bad day you should leave the casino will be there tomorrow and you play better with a clear mind. Sometimes when your mind isn't clear you start chasing money and that is an easy way to lose everything you got.
This should be considered a job and not for entertainment. These methods are to make your money which I would suggest should be between 15 to 20% of your bankroll. Once you have made your money you leave your work is done. The casinos love their players to put in a lot of time the reason is the more time you play the less likely your going to win.
when i play craps, it is to win, not to have fun or make friends. i bet the dp with 3 dc bets. when i lose one dc, i remove all the odds and place the number where i have a dc bet. you cannot lose and if your dc number is rolled, you make a little profit. the only time i lose, is when i am talking with other players or my ego gets in the way.
I like your strategy when losing one dc. What about the following scenarios: 2 dc bets on then you lose one; or what do you do when you have 2 or 3 dc bets with odds and the point is hit and you lose your DP bet. Do you keep refreshing the DP bet?
Paul I love your videos they have really made my trips to the casino worth while please pay attention guys I have made money from listening carefully to what he is saying and do not stray he is not lying if you lose your don't on that shooter please stop I chased a don't but hit a hard 6 and a hard 8 almost back to back and a high rollar gave me 2 hundred dollars so also remember that if you do good sometimes people throw you a few chips
I rarely play the pass line. Almost always the Don’t. If I lose a point i wait until that shooter 7s put avoiding a hot roll. If a table is hot I don’t play it. I constantly win every time I play. Sometimes a little. Sometimes more. Been playing 3 hours this trip in Vegas. Started with $200. Up $250. Will NOT dip into my initial $200. In other words I can’t lose money now.
The strategy sounds good. Many people are not familiar with the rules on the Darkside. If you are betting the "DC" you can remove a bet anytime from an established number after the come-out roll.
Although I agree with your strategy- I would like to point out that A: you can say "No Action" on the Don't Come, in this case the chips would not move to 6 and B: Let us say the shooter rolls a 6 or 8 on the come out, you can pick up your Don't Pass.
This man is exactly RIGHT about : If someone comes out with a 7 / 11 front-line-winner and you're on the Don't-Pass...... STOP betting and lay off that shooter !!
You NEVER want to get on the ass end of a come-out 7 streak shooter !! They will destroy your bankroll in a single turn, better just to take a 1 unit hit and make it back on the next shooter.
WTF are you talking about.... "there's no such thing" ?? I've seen them myself many DOZENS of times !! And the trick for "Don''t Players" is to not try and get caught up in a direct battle with those shooters by continually betting DON'T, and getting fucked by a 7.
Is there something called the principle of independent events...... sure, and should dice players understand that..... Yes. But they should also understand that there ARE shooters that come out HOT with repetitive 7 / 11 winners, and to lay off.
It doesn't even need to be a "streak", all it takes is 2 or 3, and you are sure to lose $$ on their roll. If it's a streak, and you get yourself psychologically trapped into thinking that "Oh, the next roll is independent...... this won't happen to my smart ass again....... I'll keep going heads-up with this 7 - 11 shooter......", and before you know it, your walking away from the table with a busted bank-roll !! When all you really had to do is just back the fuck off for 1 or 2 rolls, and pick up the better action AFTER they set a point (from the D.C.). Simple.
And watching a particular shooters history that day can (and does) give you some valuable insight. Believe it or not...... YES, it does.
+marby602 2 dollar 7 for every 5 dollar dont pass gets you on the board or a win, double your 7 bet every time it hits and collect winnings until you come out if you're afraid of 7. its a very cheap hedge. same with a dollar crap on the pass line
+marby602
Wrong. Every roll is random.
I'm fully aware of the law of independent occurrences...... I'm also aware of the self-destructive mentality that can fuck up a DON'T player when they try to bump heads with a 7-11 streak shooter !!
I was just playing last weekend, and doing well on the DON'T as usual, and the new shooter came out with a 11. As per my rule to Lay Off until they set a point, and then go to the D.C....... I waited, and that shooter proceeded to roll 1 more 11, followed by 4 7's !! I only got hit by the first one, and NONE of the other 5 hits touched me. I waited for him to set his point of SIX, and went to the D.C. and went behind the 5 with 8x-Odds, and won.
Random is Random........ but never try to fight a streak shooter on the come-out !!
He looks like my garden gnome
lol
Nice instructional video. Easy to follow- I'll switch to the "Dark Side" on my next trip to the casino.
Thanks
+Richard Reynolds
Most players will not be able to notice the slight advantage betting the don't Side.
Play to have fun!
one should never play to have fun. one should play to win because winning is fun.
Try this- stand at the table until the dice go all the way around, making note of who seems to be a better/luckier shooter & who's awful. Then play pass/don't based on what you saw in the previous round. If you're betting right way, do an iron cross with odds on the pass bet. If betting wrong way, wave off if shooter throws 6 or 8. Otherwise lay odds on don't pass when number is 4, 5, 9, 10. Bet don't come & get 2 numbers total working, then wait. Replenish as necessary.
Be flexible about betting right/wrong. Get a feel for who's a hot shooter & who's cold. Then bet accordingly. Works for me.
I'm so trying this next time I go, I did dont pass and won, but not don't come. I feel the Don'ts are more fun and a better bet.
I always hear 1.41% for the Pass bets, but I get different numbers for the Don'ts: Wizard of Odds puts the Don't Pass at 1.36%, J. Edward Allen has them at 1.40% like you. So, I don't get why there is a discrepancy on the dark side.
Brian Perez: 1.36% is correct
Word for word copied from Grafstein's method from his book: The Dice Doctor. Buy it, it's one of the best.
Paul. good video. Only thing I would have added was to let people know that if they hit a 7 on the come out then they only win their 5 and not the odds stacked behind it.
Incorrect
I recently played this system and it worked out fine, unluckily for me a hot shooter caused me to lose more than what I would've liked to...
paul, when do begin playing the don't side and when do you leave the table?
It is hit or miss. I've been on both sides of it. Play the don't and a guy will roll 7,11,11,7,7 and you are down 25 before a number is even hit, but I do like playing the don't. What I like to do though is not play the don't pass line. I wait for the shooter to hit a number then roll 3 to 5 times and then play a don't come bet. When playing the don't, I don't like getting my money out there to fast.
if you are on the dp during the come out and a 7 or 11 is rolled, stop betting on the shooter until a 7 out is rolled. do not chase your losers.
Never understood why craps players are so polarized. It's the only game where most players consider themselves "pass" players or "don't" players.
That's like playing Baccarat and only betting on the player each and every hand. It's like betting on red at the Roulette table on every spin!!
It's ok to bet the pass for a few shooters and then switch and play the don't for a few shooters.
Heck, you can bet the pass line, establish a point, then bet the don't come and establish a don't point....
Maybe you should stop High-5 ing the shooter. :-)
I've really enjoyed your videos....Would you mind uploading a video that shows throwing ACES & Double Six?
This is the Fast Action Play by the one and only Sam Grafstein. You should have talked about the individual betting stakes, the lockup and stop loss moves in this strategy. This is an excellent strategy for the back line billy but difficult to comprehend all the moves.
+Pin High Great to know someone else that has read Sam's book and knows the value of playing the dark side. Sam Grafstein was not only a great teacher and gambler, he had a great sense of humor. If everyone interested in learning the game of craps would read Sam Grafstein's book; 'The Dice Doctor' they would be as good a craps player as they can be. The most challenging thing is choosing a discapline of consistency and proper risk management...A system is easy once you have the proper knowledge. Self control, there is the challenge!!!
DON'T LAY ODDS. You win 100% on your bet when you don't lay odds When you bet $20 to win $10 you are giving back the advantage to the casino. Don't lay odds they have to pay you 100% on your bet not 80% or 50%. You should take a small hard way bet on the 4,6,8, & 10 to get another way to win. You place a small hedge bet to save your LARGE Don't bet. Stop laying odds because when the player does roll his number you lose too much money.
Dont come? Sounds like my girlfriend
even better- everyone gets a chance to be the shooter...
This is good stuff Paul! Thanks so much.
The best way to play the don’t pass line.
1.) $5 dollar table you will need a $300 bank roll
2.) $34 on the don’t pass line
3.) roller rolls YOUR hoping for the ROLLER to hit 2,3 are a point. Great shooter hits a number.
4.) you take $34 and play all the numbers 4,5,6,8,9,10
5.) what you want now is to have a shooter who just rolls numbers so you are getting paid.
6.) shooter rolls 7 you loss your $34 on the numbers 4-10 but you get it back on the don’t pass line
If a don't pass loses on a 7 or 11 on the come out roll. (What about the use of side bets that pay 4 to 1 on a 7 and a single bet on a Yo 11.
Example:
Place: $10 on dont pass at beginning.
Place also $4 on a 4 to 1 pay for "any 7" this mitigates and hedges against 7's in beginning.
Place $1.00 on the YO 11 which pays 15 to 1. Hence mitigating risk of an 11.
If you roll your needed 2 or 3 bet you are up 5. After losing the one time side bets.
If you roll one of the side bets, they hedge the loss onn your dont pass.
Finally, if you roll any other number, you only lose 5 dollar side bet (yes commission, casino winning here) but you have the opportunity to recoup the 5 dollar loss through the 2nd phase of the round.
Making sure to place an equal amount on the point as your don't pass and odds.
Thereafter, can play up to 4 regular numbers so long as you can leverage enough on your odds to prevent a loss if the point is rolled.
Hence: you will only need to recoup 5 dollars per shooter round in order to profit slowly.
This is the most conservative strategy I have thought of so far.
Playing the don't come is a great strategy but I wouldn't bet the 6's or 8's. I usually only play the don't come when it's a 4, 5, 9, or 10. If you really wanted to be safe just the 4 and the 10.
And I usually play the pass line with don't come bets just to balance it out a bit and hedge my bets. The pass isn't a bad bet either.
Another interesting way to approach it would be to play both the come and don't come at the same time, and which one you end up playing depends on what's rolled.
+Joel Welden-Smith
You really need to read Sam Grafstein's book; 'The Dice Doctor'
Pass Line is what keeps these places open. Once the shooter establishes a number the odds favor the house over the long run. Everyone thinks the pass line is so great, LOL! I will take every single 6 or 8 you end up on as a Don't bettor..over time I will win MOST of them, it just has to be. Unless of course, EVERY shooter pre-sets the dice and is successful over 75% of the time in repeating 6's or 8's which in unrealistic in both counts. I will give you the chips you have on every no 6 or no 8 for an entire night. I will win most of them.
I find I have better success with this system if I don't lay heavy odds against the 4 or 10 early in the rolling cycle(not a lot of on-going rolls). Often, I will lay less than the flat bet amount, if the dice have gone a long time w/ many numbers and multiple passes consecutively I generally will step up the amount of the lay on those 2, otherwise I generally go easy on them. I find losing too many of those 2 for 1 wagers is very difficult to overcome in the course of a few hours in a night. Thoughts? I also would rather lay more on the 5 or 9, the 6 or 8 I usually always lay odds(sometimes both at the same time, sometimes just one of these(usually the one that's the point). The 5 or 9 is superior over time vs the 4 or 10 because of the payout(laying the odds wise).
dontswin I always wait 2 rolls before laying the odds bet behind the 4-or-10, because usually, if they are going to fuck your bet over...... they will do it "right-back".
+dontswin I suggest you get your thinking straightened out by reading The best book on craps is 'The Dice Doctor" by Sam Grafstein. Period. I have read them all.
Does this ^ mean you are a right bettor? I am slowly coming around to the realization that everyone should probably bet right, but that means also being able to survive some serious losses right out of the gate. Either way you bet, you really need serious capital I believe.
+dontswin Read 'The Dice Doctor" by Sam Grafstein. That will answer your questions. He will tell you how to how to bet "right'/do/pass or 'wrong'/ don't or from the dark side. It's been said; "if you think education is expensive, try ignorance".
+dontswin
The more Capital you have, The more you will lose in the long run,
The best way to bet in craps in the long run is on the Don't Pass with full odds.
No system can beat this way of play - 100% Guaranteed
also, when does one leave a table either when winning or losing?
most players bet big & lose big, unfortunately. they want fast action. dark side play is conservative without losing your shorts.
I'll start with 100 on a minimum 10 table. 6 times I'll bet don't come...4 times I bet come.... win 75 percent of the time......if I win 50 I'll bet on a come bet....if I lose I just walk away and try another day
JonBenait06 no need to lie...It also depends whos shooting. are they drinking. what is their chip count...So there are many factors into why I make those bests
dark side play is not conservative. what does one do if the shooter knocks off all your dc and dp bets?
who is patricia demauro?
wait for new shooter and play again, I play a 3 max dc against house and wait for a 7. Its a slow growth process but have won fairly regularly being patient.
Laying odds against a number is probably the 2nd worst bet on the crap table, with "red" or "skinny" being the worst. When you lay the odds against a point, like a 4 in the video, if you win, you'll get paid $20 for your $30 investment. You'll only get a 66% return off of your investment. If you don't lay any odds against, you'll get a 100% return on your investment. And the more money you lay, the more advantage you're giving back to the house. If I play the don't, I'll just chunk out a couple of hundred and I won't lay any odds against it. And I hear people saying, "That's just $500 you lost on the come out roll playing the don't pass". And I just tell them, "The first rule of gaming is that you don't gamble with money that you can't lose financial, and even more emotionally." I've been a crap dealer for more than 30 years, both in Southern and Northern Nevada. And there's one fact that I always tell people....
the casinos don't stay open by giving away money.
As a craps dealer you should certainly know that the number 4 is a 2/1 proposition not 3/2 as you point out in your comment. When you lay odds against the 4 ( you said $30 to win $20. Correction: it would be $40 to win $20. Any 1st week dealer would know that.
You have a $10 flat. The shooter rolls a 4 or a 10. You LAY $20 with your flat bet. THAT'S A $30 TOTAL INVESTMENT. The shooter then rolls a 7 out. Your flat bet of $10 will pay you $10. Your $20 lay is going to pay $10. So, your TOTAL investment, a $10 flat with a $20 lay($30) is going to pay a total of $20($10 for the flat and $10 for the $20 lay). And that's a perfect example of why casinos stay open. Too many people think they know the odds or have a "system" to beat the house. I said it once and I'll say it again...
THE CASINOS DON'T STAY OPEN BY GIVING MONEY AWAY.
lol Smart Path aint so "Smart"
nryz. Why is that? Please explain your comment.
Why is what? That Smart Path called out Roy but was wrong?
So what numbrs do u pull your your original dont pass on? Jist thr 6 and the 8 im guessing?
Dont pull down a dont. Place a do bet to counter the loss. $100 dont on the 8 and then place the 8 for $90. You cant lose if your taking it down anyway.
Great video man I appreciate it! I'm going to Vegas in February so I'll let you know how it works
BKG How did you do?
cassidy99ful
I won $650 off $150 buy in my first night, after about 4 hours. It was interesting.
bryan guerra Sweet. Keep up the good work.
bryan guerra I believe winning $650 with 'just' $150 is nearly an impossible feat! Are you sure you didn't bet all kinds of other things? Don't forget you are laying odds on a few points or DC bets, what you did is highly unlikely if not impossible as a wrong bettor! 3 for your 1 says you won't do that again in your lifetime with various small wagers! Good Luck!
dontswin well it wasn't my first rodeo. I'm an avid better, just never took this approach. I nickel and dimed the first two hours then I hit $2 on a high low. Before I left I got real ballsy and put $100 on the field and rolled a 12 😀
what does one do if a shooter knocks off all your dc bets?
To the people who say that they lay off the DONT'S for a hot come out shooter, why don't you just bet "any 7," lay odds against a number, or switch to betting the Passline while they're rolling to capitalize on their so called consistency? Not doing so implies either that your belief in a shooter being "hot" is flimsy even to you, you think it's unethical to make money by not betting the DONT'S, or that you're superstitious/irrational.
Can you keep the camera focused on the table
Thx
There are some cruise ships that WON'T allow you to remove your bet from the Don't Pass once the point is made; I have no idea why.
+Gen X Murse
This only hurts them
I would not play on that Cruise ship. Period
Once the point is stab listed , can you make a pass or don't pass bet?
+walter vidal once the point is established, you cannot make a pass or don't pass bet lol
Yes you can. You can make a pass line bet, but not a don't pass bet.
You may make a come or don't come bet after the point is ON.
You can lay behind the point once it is established. The casino will charge you 5% of what you stand to make if you win. If you lose, the casino might not charge you the vig. That's the way it is down south. But if you play in Northern Nevada, you'll have to pay the vig up front, win or lose.
Roy M hold up casino charge me to make a point bet after point made never heard of it
If it's a 5 dollar table and I bet 5 on don't pass or don't come and the number is five or nine, what is the minimum amount in odds I can put down? I'm confused because most of the videos are 10 dollar bets and they lay 15 dollars on the 5 or 9. So what would the odds amount be for the 5 and 9 on a five dollar bet? One video said an even dollar amount? Is that correct? Thanks so much for your help! Still learning and trust your videos the most! :)
I have never seen a $5 minimum, only $10. However, if the point is a 5 or 9, you would have to put down $6 odds to win $4 on a $5 table but some casinos let you put down less than the table minimum for odds.
Thanks, Bryan! It's a gambling boat, so I called them to ask and they said it's a $5 minimum table. I had never heard of one either. Thanks for your help!
karjayk88 Every shooter has RANDOM ROLLS and each are INDEPENDENT of the previous. Never pick up a dont pass or dont come bet
hey buddy, the 5 and 9 do not come up on average 1 out of 9. where did you learn math? you need to print a craps odds page and memorize it.
For a $5 min table, you can lay $9 for a win of $6. For the Don'ts, the table limits are based on what the payout would be.
Sorry I ask again, let me know if, let's say the come out roll is a four, can I then bet on the no pass? And put odds?
+walter vidal Not a don't pass. If the point is established, you can not put money on the don't pass. You can put on the don't come. However if a point is established, you can still put money on the pass and odds. The reason being is because the 7 has the highest probability of coming up. Casino doesnt care if you put money on pass after point because 7 is most probable and you'll lose. They won't let you don't pass after because theres a high probability of you winning. You need to be on the don't before the point is established because then theres a high probability of losing (aka a 7 on the come out roll)
You may bet on the don't come. It's then a first roll bet for that money.
You may LAY the odds on the "dark side" then after that first roll bet is assigned a number.
I really think at a $25 min. game you need way more than $750! I would say somewhere in the neighborhood of $2250, especially if your going up on 3 donts at a time with odds. I would never attempt a $25 table with just $750 for there are no guarantees that you will start winning right away. You will probably start getting grinded right away after which you will generally find yourself trying to get even or thereabouts. To each his own.
I do not believe there is much (or any) value in laying the odds when DON'T betting. To me you are somewhat minimizing the advantage you have once you get a point to bet against. You are getting even money on the original bet but you are getting less than even money on your odds bet (even though it is true odds). You are putting too much money in action when you start laying single, double, or more odds. Get past the come out roll (not so easy as you will only win on 3 of 8 outcomes until you get a point) and then pray for 7. No odds!
The reason a Don't bettor would want to lay odds is the fact that the 7 or 11 will beat him initially(in the Don't Pass or Don't Come box) That will require more and more INITIAL Don't bets which will become more objects that can get hit again with 7 and 11's'. The odds portion which win will recover some of the money that was lost on initial placements of Don't bets. Try it some day, LOL without odds, you will eventually get destroyed.
@@dontswin The odds are paid at true odds, so the wins with odds only pay for the losses with odds. There's no way to "pay" for the failed Don'ts on the come out rolls.
I didn't believe in odds either, but the first night I started laying them I won my first 10k. I've won well into the six figures laying odds, you're an advantage once the point is established and there's no house edge on those odds. It's the only way to overcome the come out roll. Many times I've had a 1k flat bet with 6k behind it. I do not care what the point is I'll always lay max odds and unlike most I prefer the 6 and 8 because it pays more. It doesn't take much to win 10k, 20k, 30k in less than hour when you press the bets up with max odds.
do you offer counselling sessions? I would pay.
i like this system. lets say you have the 8 and 5 aganist(you played dont comes) I like to then play 2 or 3 times on the come,then you will have 2 comes live and then your still live with 2 dont come numbers. So your still looking for that 7 to come in(like in his example). but if you get some come bets going,its can be a fun scenerio if you can get hot..
LOL. Each roll is independent of the previous roll.
Where can I get a 1/2 layout
Can you explain the "don't" single odds for each number on a 5 dollar table for me (especially the 5 & 9)?
The odds on the 5 & 9 are 3/2. If you lay the odds on the 5 & 9 you put up multiples of 3 to win 2. If you are playing the way most folks do on the "do" side, you would take the odds by betting multiples of 2 to win 3. Hope that helps
Smart Path Thanks so much! :)
Karjayk88: In the video above, Paul learned the strategy he shows from the book "The Dice Doctor" by Sam Grafstein. If you want to know everything about craps and the better ways to play, buy the aforementioned book. To have any sort of decent success on the craps table, you must know the game well. That book will provide you what you need to know about betting both sides of the table and staying away from the sucker bets. Good luck to you. By the way, is that a picture of you or some beautiful movie star from the past?
That's the ultimate movie star of the Golden Era and my good luck charm.......Joan Crawford :)
Is one required to lay odds on the don't?
No
If a shooter has a long roll ending with a seven out, play the don't. If they pass, get ready for a 7 on the come out.
Stupid question: can you place a bet on the pass line and don't pass line at the same time?
+Nancy Sandoval Not stupid at all…plenty of people do it to be able to lay the odds on the don't pass…the only time you can get hurt is if a 12 is rolled…you would lose the pass line bet and push on the don't pass...
+Dave S I be going to Vegas in January n I love craps tables but not the best player
+Dave S
There is a slight disadvantage betting this way as the 12 is rolled 2.78% of the time but here is why it's good. when betting on the Don't Pass line, you are at a 13.89% house edge to set the point.
Betting this way allows players to play true odds.
That being said, It is still better to play the Don't Pass and take full odds in the long run
+Nancy Sandoval That is hedging and basically you are giving the casino money because one side has to lose. If you want to hedge a DP bet of 15 don't put 15 on the pass line. Put $3 hop sevens and a dollar on the 11. Costs you less and accomplishes the same thing..a hedge.
Is it not advice to bet other numbers when you are playing don't come bets?
I would much rather play max odds before placing a don't come bet. Why would you risk 8 ways to lose on a don't come bet when you could easily add up to 60 dollars in odds behind your 10 dollar flat bet. If your feeling more adventurous, just bump the flat bet so you can get more odds. I also find it a bit baffling how many people will put 25/50 on the don't pass and barely put any odds. My recommendation to any new don't player is to never lay any more on the flat bet than your willing to put odds behind. The more odds the closer to true zero you get.with this approach I've made many incredible wins, however the house edge still exist and you'll still face the losses over the long run.
I get dizzy watching this , just set the camera so you can see the whole table all that moving just sucks ,,,
I like to play the dark side at my local casino because nobody seems get hot....My question is, when I bet the don't pass, I usually lay the max odds when the point is established, but I just realized that the better bet is to just bet more on the don't pass, and don't lay any odds at all.....right? Risk what I would normally have on the don't pass with odds on just the don't pass.
This issue came up with some friends of mine at a Reno casino the other day. I always laid odds on my don't bets and my friend didn't. We had a small argument and I couldn't, with confidence, give him a good reason why I laid odds on my bets other than reducing the vig. So I googled it and found an old article written by Al Krigman at Casino City Times and he points out that laying odds is good only if you're there for the long haul and care about longevity and profit. If you care more about being a big shot or getting comped often and much then don't lay odds. The law of large numbers comes into it.
true, but you will lose more on the come out roll, betting the dp, and on the dc bets.
Do you have to lay odds on a bet?
NO,but it reduces the house percentages against you if you do take free odds.
It does not reduce the house percentages against you. Nobody has an advantage on odds bets, but the house still has an advantage on the pass line/ don't pass line bet
It is a separate bet
Holy crap jabber jaws get to the point!
Good Job!
i would take those winnings and bet on ice cream in the 5th at aqueduct.
7, great, claps hands. lol. " finally I dont have to make another video"
90% ? No, try 100% of shooters are random shooters.
ALL SHOOTERS ARE RANDOM.SHOOTERS. LOL
1984?
If you want to play craps my advice is *"DONT Pass, and Dont Come"* Its simple math.
Interesting!
Why lay odds? It seems you're risking more$$ to get less$$ back????
+bob moore
You are risking more money but there is no house edge when laying odds behind your bet.
Think of it this way. You are in the most danger of losing on the 1st roll to set a point. now any bet you make behind your bet pays with no house edge. Hope this helps. Check out my " Craps Talk " Channel
This is why I was confused when he was talking about a 3 on the come out roll. Then stack don't rack. He said they rolled a 3-3-2....that rarely ever happens and I would consider any 2 or 3 on the come out roll a gift. Seems like it would be smarter to rack it not stack it.
sureshot556 yeah I only stack on pass line. I never seen crap out rolls 3x in a row
It is a rare event indeed but I have seen it. Generally, it's my observation after yo's and craps A 7 is right around the corner. When will people ever understand yo's and craps rolls PREVENT other numbers from appearing, there's a bunch of those place numbers that are on the sides of the dice. The yo's and craps rolls kept the place numbers at bay. A huge edge for the wrong bettor after his bets are on the board established.
sureshot556 exactly 7/11 normally stick after a crap come out that’s usually my alert time time hop my 7’s cause it’s so common video didn’t give my any confident edges on the house what so ever
Ok, 2 rolls you get a craps is a nice win on 2 DP bets then 3rd roll BANG SEVEN, there goes the entire thing. Seriously guy how often will you ever see that happen? I might have seen it just a few times in my lifetime someone threw 3 craps in a row, on the Come Out roll, ridiculous! I've seen it more often in the middle of the rolls when someone is trying to get his point made. Very often it's my experience craps comes seven(s). Come on guy give us something more substantial that's more reasonable, which is more valid. Craps, yo's are the Don't bettor's best friend when 3 don't are set up, THEY PREVENT any of the place numbers from being hit. Each roll a wrong bettor survives the closer he becomes to winning that particular short time event, thx.
5:34 Uh, no, you picked up $40 on that roll. You lost $30 on that shooter earlier when he made his point, so you only made $10 on that shooter.
thanks for video
Every shooter is RANDOM.
Just bet don't pass and then place the point. If you reach that point, you can;t lose.
Another fallacy comment. Hedging will not make you money. You were lucky enough to get past that 7 or 11 that would initially beat you, now you're giving your much bigger edge back to the house by place betting it. It's ok sometimes to Place bet the 6 or 8 when you've been losing overall lately and can't stomach another loss. Hedging will not make you money as a general rule. But say you were on a don't bet with an amount you really didn't want to lose AND you had to leave the casino for the night, you could always hedge it to make a small win or about even to be done with it.
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Also, you can hedge the 7, even at a loss.
I won 160 dollars
This guys the worst teacher lol