Who Was Shabbetai Tsvi? False Messiah of the 17th century Jewish History Lecture Dr. Henry Abramson
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- Lecture on Shabbatai Tsvi (Sabbetai Sevi, Zevi), a major figure in 17th-century Jewish History. Lecture delivered by Dr. Henry Abramson at the Young Israel of Bal Harbour as part of the Jewish Biography as History series. More lectures available at www.henryabramson.com.
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To understand our present we must learn about history. I love this thank you.
It would explain some things that are happening to our culture today
Also, in reverse, to better understand the past, it helps to have clarity on what is happening today.
I just want to say that it's lovely in this day and age of oversharing on social media to see a parent clip out the anecdote about his daughter at 44:35. That shows a wealth of love and respect right there, and provides a model for handling that sort of thing with my own daughter.
The people need to intelligently demand that their government
use debt free money. USA 1846-1913 Larry
He didn't just have a "huge following". He had over one million followers - a full HALF of the world's Jews.
yah but then they drop it when they discovered how fake he was and the Jews fast to atone their sins in believing in him
@@messianic_scam riiiiiight. Zero atonement for murdering the Messiah but tons for accidentally practicing hedonism
@@wafflesmcgallagher934
there was no messiah came for the Jews only the fake ones as we can see that's why they keep coming
@@messianic_scam youtube is making responses difficult. There's a reason nobody likes "the chosen" and your response is a big reason why.
@@wafflesmcgallagher934 a real christian messiah couldn't be murdered.
Redemption through doing evil was his great doing to Judaism....
He was all about inversions
Basically making other people responsible for cleaning up his mess. Fits perfectly with big socialist government tyranny.
Quite a story! Thank you! I listened to the short version, but this story was definitely worth listening to in its expanded version!!!!
Thank you!
It would great if you could discuss the controversies over Sabbatean influence on later rabbinic scholarship.
Fascinating lecture. Thank you.
Thank you for the free lecture!
Maybe the Balfour Declaration did influence later German policy, notably the Transfer Agreement
Shhh!
*whispers
We're not allowed to talk about that. Lol
John McGuire interesting point which leads me to an open question, in hope any one more knowledges ‘knows’: was eightyeight a pure psycho, in on it all the way; or, trying to ‘defend homeland and had movement highjacked’ ; or, that he Tried honouring the Origin by installing the path to the Way but Forgot (or had dimlitted insight ) that the Goths/Sveas/Wendels we’re pure in heart and saw good in good and fear in wicked- thus only wanting reunion of memory?
Thanks for the video, you really present this rather dark topic in a lovely and authentic way.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very amusing presentation.
Fantastic lecture! Thanks a lot !!! 👍
You are welcome!
Great lecture. Hitting another one out of the park.
I learned a lot in this lecture, one thing that jumped out at me was thinking about living in a time where if you were to put yourself in the shoes of some of those people in that time, there was so much humiliation going on for so many people. It must be very embarrassing for other people to know all your business because any type of news spread so fast in the towns that before you knew it you were what everyone was talking about.
Amazing presentation by a a brilliant and hilarious fellow. Glad I found your Channel!
Welcome!
May I recommend Gershwin Scholem’s magisterial work “Sabbatai Sevi the Mystical Messiah”. Quite old but still packed full of references to primary sources. There are pages of dense description of the struggles between the believers and the unbelievers in Smyrna etc which are quite taxing but exemplify a traditional scholarly approach - there is no attempt to maknarrative accessible or to put it another way to dumb it down.
Fascinating lecture.
Dear Dr Abramson can you please consider making a lecture on Oskar Goldberg ?
There's very little material in English on this intriguing figure. Thank you
Very nice I love the way you talk tank you
and now we find ourselves here Zevi's dream 1 step away from fulfillment
Not sure what you mean.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD the communism takeover, one world system. Are you living under a rock?
Inversion
@@dblake5193 wonder why no follow up by Henry
@@growthsavage scared
Was Jacob Frank a follower of Zevi?
Yes
@Anthony Emrick you wouldnt happen to be able to point me in the direction of this info?
@@DybbukDEpstein this book has a lot of the info! it was written by a Rabbi www.indiebound.org/book/9781717749512
Anthony Emrick
on a side note, Jacob Frank & any/all of his Jewish followers were officially & permanently excommunicated from the Jewish religion for following him. So whoever went on to create whatever cult were no longer recognized as Jews among the greater worldwide Jewish diaspora.
Yes, zevi converted to Islam , and Frank converted to Christianity
A fascinating lecturer on a fascinating subject! I should love to have heard the "sweet thing" about the Dr's second daughter at 44.35.
I'd love to have been there but there's a certain ocean between us.
Insightful lecture.
A pretty neat account on Shabbetai Zvi, Prof Abrahamson
My paternal great grandparents were immigrants from Thessaloniki to turkey. My father told me that we are descendants of one of the followers of sabetai tsvi. According to my father’s memories, my paternal grandmother light a single chandle on fridays and she said that this lighting chandle is for the soul of her ancestors. This was the only tradition she had kept throughout her life unlike other Muslim traditions. I think this custom has a relation with shabat custom. Otherwise, my whole family idetifies themselves as muslim. My paternal grandparents read quran regularly, pray 5 times in a day and fast in ramadans and they did not want to talk about this conversion of their families
Do you have any other traditions? Different from other Muslims I wonder what my Jewish family did in Poland.
So nice to see a scholarly video on this subject rather than the weird conspiracy theories a google search will usually turn up. Some day I would love to see a follow-up video on the Doenmeh and some of Sevi's would-be messianic successors in this movement such as Baruchai (sp?)Russo/Osman Baba.
I'm really interested in the topic of Sabatianism,Zwi, Baruchai, Jakob Frank. But 99,9% that comes up in a Google search are ridiculous and dangerous antisemitic conspiracy theory.
And I study Kaballa and especially Lurianic and practical Kaballa overall .
I know how most Jews view Zwi as a false messiah, but I myself as a spiritual searcher am very interested in his teachings and do not condemn him or Jakob Frank for their conversations and think that they were sincere and not just apostates, neither false prophets, nor frauds or opportunists.
The only source, outside Gershom Scholem, where I get information about Sabbatianism from their foundations, beginning with the teachings, Zwi's live, believes and teachings, are the Neo-Sabbatians.
They are kabbalist Jews, that take Sabbatianism serious and to a new and modern level.
Orthodox and liberal jews in the USA aswell as in Israel argue about if this Neosabbatians are a legit part of the Jewish tradition.
It's very hard to get information between condemnation by Jewish scholars and antisemitic conspiracy theories.
Well, I am a modern day sabbatian, if you have any questions please ask!
@@shemuelthesabbatian1254 Have you been born a jew?
Where you born into a modern day sabbatian family or how did you get involved?
If you don't have a problem, with giving me an answer to this question. Where do you live!
Are you a Sabbatian in private or do you have a group, that shares your beliefs to a certain degree?
How important is the Kabbala to you and to the sabbatian movement, that you are a part of?
What do you think about Jakob Frank!
If we could start there, I would be very pleased to ask you more and more specific questions.
Please excuse my English and how badly i express myself today. I'm very tired.
Thank you for your nice offer. Have a blessed day!
@@maxmeggeneder8935 hello and shalom! I was born a christian with ancestry in eastern europe, I discovered Kabbalah by my interest in judaism, and I discovered frankism by exploring polish history. Kabbalah is very important in Sabbatianism and frankism. I know some people who share my belief, but I tend to keep quiet about it in public. I will refrain from sharing my location.
A lot of jacobs franks more *questionable* actions are refuted by us, as a lot of them come from biased, and faulty sources.
Excellent lecturer
Any possibility of you making these slides available?
Thank you for making me believe that you speak sincere truth and that I can trust you.
One am I in my part of Me, as any One Being formed. I was created for Me to make You; just like any pairs of us, One is One and Once One is counted, as One of all in All Ones Being
Seems like he was basically the Jewish version of Crowley.
lol. Nice and Accurate?
Not sure that would be accurate.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD Crowley is a fictional character in "Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophesies of Agnes Nutter, Witch" -- a comedy novel by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Omens --- My comment to Winston was winking at the title. The link between Crowley and Shabtai Tzvi though is humorous but (as you say) not accurate.
@@naomizaslow2728 Oh. I was thinking Alastair Crowley, the occultist at the turn of the 20th c.
There alot of comparisons to crowley
He was the messiah. In the kaliyuga the truth is turned to false and the false is elevated as reality.
Hmm
I love that joke, my rabbi told me that one a long time ago.
Don Cherry lost his job for saying "you people"
I don’t really get it, would you please explain the joke?
Excellent presentation, obviously a skewed Hasbara version but very good.. Thank you
TY
another prejudice the mitnagdim had against the Baal Shem Tov and the Chassidi was their sacramental use kaneh-bosm and that the Baal Shem amulet dealers or doktors were also shamanic herbalists who made and sold sacred roots and herbs as medicine and so had large grass-roots influence (hmm) and great potential heal and expand minds in a very pastoral manner. I'm learning about this fascinating topic in Cannabis Chassidi book, but have known about the five cannabis references in the Tanakh for many years, G-d bless Sara Benetowa for blessing us with this glorious revelation, and all the Israeli institutions that confirmed it and Raphael Mechoulam for pioneering cannabinoid and endocannabinoid chemistry necessary for the mitzvah of forgetting well while awake and asleep and medicating thousands of emotional, social, physical and spiritual afflictions. among all the Yemeni Sabean Jews who didn't migrate north to influence Mohammed when the great Marib damn broke ; even though the Marib damn collapse was a huge blow to their agricultural and hemp industry which has been in days past powerful enough to threaten Rome and caused them the lay waste to their goods; I wonder if that spice/drug merchant tradition endured at all after the Marib dam collapse. it seems like jews forget and remember over and over what an important sacred plant cannabis is; fitting that the endo/cannabinoids helps you to forget well, so crucial to learning and preventing obsessiveness and panic and doubt and boredom and ennui and Zinn I zombification from conventional antipsychotics which are actually prospychotic poisons.
thank you
So interesting
Good historical talk Dr Abramson I listened to it from Melbourne Australia (Down Under!)
Didn't Shabbetai Tzvi diverge from SHulkan ARuch, The Code of Jewish Law, and didn't he say "I am matir assurim", he is reported to have said "I now give myself a dispensation to go against Halacha"?
Isn't this a key ingredient of being a likely 'candidate' to be chosen by G-d , a potential Moshiach through strict keeping and adhering to SHulkan ARuch The Code of Jewish Law something Shabbatei Tzvi didn't do?
Very informative
35:47 Is a glorious piece of Jewish comedy --- the old guy on the left is great!
Excellent lecture!
Question: Is the Ashkenazi tribe descendant from Gomer? Not really Semites in that case, having not come from Shem. If that's the case, they wouldn't be descendents of Israel and Judah, correct? So, would these people still fall under the category of Jew?
@ ... no. not only is there no historical evidence, but genetic evidence shows less than 5% of ashkenazim have turkic genetic markers, which would be were the khazar kingdom would have been. stop spreading this bullshit, for fuck's sake
@ Satanists believe the Christian bible is fake news. Genesis 10 (Table of Nations) about Noah's family after the flood refers to Noah's three sons, Shem, Japheth and Ham. It says Ashkenaz comes from Japheth and they are Gentiles. Today Ashkenaz call themselves bloodline Jews from Shem (Shemites/Semites). See Revelations for comments Jesus made against fake Jews he called the "synagogue of Satan".
@@Brandon-a-writer but they married their own so no ties to people's of certain areas would show up in DNA?
Truth hurts
Lol that misunderstanding when Jews say between themselves Ashkenazi,Sefradim,Mizrakhi that is all diaspora cummunities of the same Jewish people,Ashkenaz is region(Holy Roman Empire/Germany/Austria)therefore the Jews of the region were called Jews of Ashkenaz or Ashkenazi Jews...
The man David icke talks about!
Well, there you go.
Icke presented Shabbetai Tsvi as if he was the beginning of anything evil within rabbinic Judaism.
Henry: I Pray that this opens your eyes!
Ezekiel 33:10-11
“Now as regards you, O son of man, say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus YOU people have said: “Because our revolts and our sins are upon us and in them we are rotting away, how, then, shall we keep living?”’ Say to them, ‘“As I am alive,” is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, “I take delight, not in the death of the wicked one, but in that someone wicked turns back from his way and actually keeps living. Turn back, turn back from YOUR bad ways, for why is it that YOU should die, O house of Israel?”
The 17th century’s Jewish hiding through conversion to Islam and later Christianity reflect Esther the 17th book.
Apparently Shabbatai Zevi himself when he felt the absence of God said "Esther Panim" in other words that God has hid his face from him.
Zevi has married and divorced several women who later complained to their parents that the marriage wasn’t consummated and therefore had a divorce of which among them one, Sarah later remarried him.
After gaining many followers Zevi was brought back to Constantinople from Jerusalem bound and put in prison and forced by the Sultan to convert to Islam along with his followers. Upon his conversion, his followers later took on the name Deunmeh. They became influential in the Young Turk Revolution.
The books of the 17th Spoke in the Biblewheel are Esther/Malachi/2Peter. While Malachi writes that God hates divorce, Esther mentions that the King Ahaswerus divorced Vashti because of her lack of respect to him. And he selected Esther to be the next queen.
Esther also mentions that many Gentiles later converted to Judaism. So there was a theme of conversion in common with the Sultan’s attempt to convert Zevi and his followers.
Thank you for sharing your lectures Dr. Abramson. I'm curious as to why Istanbul is referred to as Constantinople. I noticed this on maps made by Europeans in the 16-1800's as well as in this lecture. Hasn't the city been called Istanbul since 1453?
Constantinople Greek: Κωνσταντινούπολη (city of Constantine) was the center of the roman empire founded in 395 by Constantine the Great which established the Christian faith as being legal and converted himself. It was later the capital of the Byzantine empire. In 1453 it was overtaken by the Turks and later became a part of the Ottoman empire. Istanbul = In Stin Poli (Greek for In The City).
I seem to remember that the Turks saw themselves as the inheritors of the Roman/Byzantine Empire and thus kept the name. Istanbul or Stambul was just a part of the city, a neighborhood, if you will. The Russians also saw themselves as having inherited the Byzantine mantle by marriage connexion to the Byzantine imperial family at the fall of that empire, leading Russians to believe that they were the 3rd Rome. These two then came into conflict until modern times when the former Ottoman Empire chose nationalism and changed the name of the city.
Damnit. I watched for 55 minutes just to hear the humorous story about your second daughter just to have you pause the recording.
Sabetai,Sabetai,Esperamos A Ti
It was late, and I fell asleep listening to this and had the most amazing dream. You were my professor in college. Everything you were saying on this video, I could hear as you lecturing in my dream. "You" transformed into my first love from school at one point, then into another young professor. Only myself and one other student were in the class.
The dream incorporated my recurring nightmare of being at the university and on the verge of failing my algebra class because I had simply forgotten I had taken algebra.
I was fascinated with your lecture and so happy I now knew someone I could ask all my burning questions concerning Jews. I felt sorry hearing about this lady you met who was into whoredom and to whom you became betrothed. However, you seemed happy enough about it and felt connected to biblical Hosea, and that was sufficient.
I will now listen to this awake. I'm sure it will be as interesting as the dream from which I didn't want to awaken!
The fuck
@@wethepeople8280 what should be obvious after all of this discussion is that humans are ultimately very predictable animals, as are their beliefs and political struggles. But under various traditions of social oppression we fail on the detail and honesty parts in all of our conversations, such that the subtext becomes more interesting than the reality of our collective delusions, overall gullibility and lack of authentic moral direction we suffer beneath.
What is "extinguishing the lights"? You didn't mention it and I was curious.
Orgies and wife-swapping for Sabbateans during a certain period of the year I believe.
@@mingng937 wonder why he didn't mention it. Kinda important don't you think? This guy was screwing his own daughter and letting others screw his wife . Sounds like an evil pos to me!
@@tp8077 yes during the solstice and equinoxes.
There is alot here that was glossed over. ALOT
Tsvi was a demonic force and for whatever reason it's not overtly called out by "lecturers" that are still defensive over the man himself.
He started a sect called Donmeh and a term called Crypto Jews
The low estimate for Sabbateanism was 500k not 10k or 50k.... up to 1 million in terms of estimates.
Romaniots (Bene Romania)
The term Romaniot stems from the self-identification of the Greek-speaking Orthodox Christian population of the Balkans as Rhomaioi (Romans), that is, descendants of the citizens of the Roman Empire, which continued in itsByzantine incarnation until 1453. As citizens of the empire, the Jews were also Rhomaioi (Greek) or Romani(Latin), hence Romaniot (Heb. romaniotim). As a minority in a hostile Christian environment, the Romaniot Jews were subject to restrictive laws and constant harassment by the Orthodox Church, which treated them as a foil to the triumphalism of Christianity. Nonetheless, Judaism remained a permitted religion in the empire, and successive attempts by emperors to forcibly baptize Jews during the Middle Byzantine period were countered by the church on the grounds that baptism must be voluntary. In this regard the Orthodox Church differs significantly from the Roman Catholic Church, which treats baptism as an indelible act and allows persecution and punishment of “Judaizers.”
The vicissitudes of the Jews under Orthodox rule can be briefly summarized as follows: Under the Christian Roman Empire (from Constantine through Justinian and his successors), they were prohibited by law, with occasional exemptions, from participating in government, the courts, the army, and the universities, from holding and converting slaves, and from building new synagogues. During the Middle Byzantine period (Herakleios to Romanos Lekapenos), they were subjected to four attempts at forced baptism, a state tactic apparently repeated by Ioannes Vatazes in the rump empire of Nicaea in the thirteenth century. In the wake of the tenth-century Byzantine Crusades, Jews migrated into the empire, and by the twelfth century flourishing communities of Rabbanite and Karaite Jews were to be found throughout the Balkans and Anatolia. The Late Byzantine period (Michael Palaeologos to Constantine Palaeologos) saw further improvement in the political position of the Jews, who, along with the Armenians, provided economic resources for the weakened imperial government.
After his conquest of Constantinople in 1453, Mehmed II appointed Gennadeios Scholarios as patriarch over the entire Roman population. By 1455 the Romaniots, now formally zimmis (dhimmis) (see dhimma ), had succeeded in establishing their own autonomous community (later millet) under the leadership of Moses Capsali, appointed chief rabbi (rav manhig) of the Romaniot communities forcibly relocated to the capital, now called Istanbul, as part of the sultan’s efforts to repopulate the devastated city. In the cadastral register of 1477, the transplanted Romaniot communities numbered about fifteen hundred households and constituted some 10 percent of the city’s denizens. They were to hold the status of sürgün (forced migration) throughout most of the Ottoman period. This restrictive status, which deprived them of freedom of movement, placed the Romaniots at a distinct disadvantage compared to the Sephardi Jews, who enjoyed the more liberal status of kendi gelen (voluntary migration to the sultanate) granted them by Sultan Bayezid II.
According to later Sephardi memory (considered doubtful by some modern scholars) Bayezid invited the banished Jews of the newly united kingdom of Catholic Spain to his realm. In any case, they arrived shortly after 1500, and within a generation had supplanted the structure established for the Romaniots in the first seventy years after the conquest. Moses Capsali (d. ca. 1498) was succeeded by Elijah Mizraḥi (d. 1526) as rav manhig. Successive rabbis continued the institution for another generation until it fell into abeyance. In 1835 the office of haham başı(Heb./Turk. Hakham Bashi - chief rabbi) was established as part of the tanzimat reforms.
The Romaniot population of Istanbul consisted of both Rabbanite and Karaite Jews, who alternated between cordial and hostile relations. The twelfth-century Itinerary of Benjamin of Tudela informs us that a fence separated the two communities to prevent communal strife. In the fifteenth century, Karaites studied with Rabbanite teachers. In the sixteenth century, conservative Romaniots prohibited teaching Karaites, while Karaites nearly split their community over internal rivalries. The Greek-speaking Romaniot congregations numbered forty-seven in 1540, each with its own synagogue named for its city or area of provenance; they were still listed as sürgün, as were the Karaites, in late seventeenth-century Ottoman documents and numbered some fifty-two hundred of the eighteen thousand Jews in Istanbul. Ottoman sources record a decline in the Romaniot population of the capital between 1535 and 1688, most likely due to the better legal status of the Sephardim as well as the mingling of the congregations and intermarriage between the two groups. The vicissitudes of urban life in the Ottoman capital, in particular fire and plague, also contributed to the decline.
Outside the capital Romaniot communities flourished in Epirus and the Peloponnese. The Romaniot communities in the Ionian islands, the Archipelago, Crete, and the Dodekanisoi (Dodecanese) came under the control of Venice; Genoa controlled Chios; and later the Angevins took the Ionian islands. The Romaniots in these areas became Italian-speaking until they were rejoined to the Greek kingdom in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. During the Ottoman period (Grk. Turkokratia) the Romaniots were under Turkish protection and usually lived within the walls of the kastro that controlled each city and town. The Jewish communities of the Peloponnese (also calledMorea, which later included Boeotia and Attica) were destroyed in 1821 during the initial stage of the Greek Revolution. During the Holocaust the Jewish inhabitants of the main Romaniot centers of Ioannina (Yanina) and Corfu were deported to their deaths in Auschwitz. Over ten thousand Romaniots (and over fifty thousand Sephardim) were sent to Nazi concentration camps. About eight thousand members of the Greek-speaking communities of the mainland either served with the resistance or hid in the mountains, many under the protection of the resistance.
The question of a neo-Romaniot identity among contemporary Greek Jews, who are primarily Greek-speaking even if of Sephardi origin, is in a state of flux among locals and scholars. Romaniot Jewry is characterized by its use ofJudeo-Greek, which preserves archaic elements (especially among Ioannina Jews) from its development over the past two millennia. Their synagogue rite is also unique to the regions from Corfu to the Black Sea (e.g., MaḥzorRomania, Maḥzor Korfu) and is characterized by the use of Greek and a highly developed liturgical poetry ( piyyuṭim) that derives from Byzantine Palestine in Late Antiquity. Romaniot culture also further developed the midrashic tradition inherited from the Hellenistic period and from later Palestinian Jewish scholars. Kabbala and philosophy were particularly studied during the late Byzantine and early Ottoman periods along with medicine, astronomy, and Bible commentary. In addition, their customs present a mix of Late Antiquity Palestinian Jewry and contemporary Byzantine and post-Byzantine customs (primarily marriage, as in the medieval use of stephanomata [wreaths], and dowry arrangements), many of which are discussed by Joseph Caro in his Bet Yosef. This ancient Jewry, once numbering in the millions in Roman and Byzantine times, comprises only a few hundreds in modern Greece and perhaps a myriad of identifying descendants in its diaspora.
Steven Bowman
Bibliography
The Bulletin of Judeo-Greek Studies has an ongoing bibliography on the topic.
Bowman, Steven. Jews of Byzantium, 1204-1453 (Tuscaloosa: University of Alabama Press, 1985).
Goldschmidt, Daniel. “On the Mahzor Romania,” Sefunot 8 (1964): 205-236. Heyd, Uriel. “The Jewish Communities of Istanbul in the Seventeenth Century,” Oriens 4 (1953): 299-314.
Rosanes, Solomon. History of the Jews in the Ottoman Empire, vol. 1 (Tel Aviv: Dvir, 1930) [Hebrew].
Rozen, Minna. A History of the Jewish Community in Istanbul: The Formative Years, 1453-1566 (Leiden: Brill, 2002).
Weinberger, Leon. Anthology of Hebrew Poetry in Greece, Anatolia and the Balkans (Cincinnati: Hebrew Union College Press, 1975).
---. Rabbanite and Karaite Liturgical Poetry in South-Eastern Europe (Tuscaloosa: University of Alabama Press, 1991).
Citation
Steven Bowman. " Romaniots (Bene Romania)." Encyclopedia of Jews in the Islamic World. Executive Editor Norman A. Stillman. Brill Online , 2012. Reference. National Library of Israel. 24 December 2012
Thanks for sharing this. It was very informative.
why are you writing too much next time make it shorter
what 18C rabbi was influenced by him, what is the source please ?
Jacob Frank
@@ibnyahud LoL No. And Jacob Frank was the furthest thing from a rabbi
@@tylermcquien8393 says you,
Lots thought he was the messiah
He was just this guy
I am a Muslim and loved the joke!
Quite funny 😄
Glad to hear it!
Actually the year was 1666 not 1665 he proclaimed he was messiah you only said that to hide the truth.
Or maybe I made a mistake? If I wanted to hide the truth I'm sure I could think of more important things.
''mistake''@@HenryAbramsonPhD
What would you respond to the assertion that Hasidic tradition took many ideas from the Sabbateans ?
What was the joke at 29:00 minutes Rabbi?
Henry, how accurate is Robbert Sephyr’s book 1666: Redemption through Sin. It seems to be the only popularly available book on the topic (and it’s popular). Being written by an avid advocate of Nazi spirituality, I think any inaccuracies should be addressed.
@45:00 : "They sold their possessions and converted them to liquid acid"....that would make sense...
Shabbetai Tsvi wrote the following Kabbalistic mantra, which was chanted during sacrifices:
"Parajdi sót hintsetek a sebemre!
Kaktusz növényt dugjatok a shégembe!
Parjdi só megcsípi a sebemet,kaktusznövény böködi a shégemet"
16:30 Can someone spell the two Hebrew/Jiddisch references that the lecturer provides here?
first was "Tzfat" circle - i.e. the city in Israel known as Safed in english, at that time it was the center of mystical Jewish study...i.e Kabbalah...Jewish mysticism has a heavy focus on messianism
the second was "Gezierat Ta"ch V'Ta"t" which is a reference to the Chmelnitsky pogroms
Tikkun?
How did some of the great sages of the generation believe him? The talmud bring several conditions of which the Messiah must meet such as wealth etc?
Tough times after the 1648-49.
The non-Jewish don't like you wherever you end up. Then, at the time of 1665 there's this really handsome, really smart Talmudic scholar and teacher, who is also a divinely great singer, totally looking the part as "King of the Jews," and "High Pries" (as Messiah means), and just as would be expected, he's located in Jerusalem, where he also has a fore-runner, just like Elijah (Nathan of Gaza), with a beautiful wife who had a divine vision that she would be married to Messiah.
Many people sold all of their belongings to be part of the Kingdom of Heaven. Finally, after all of these painful and sorrowful years, H-d come to redeem Israel from all of the non-sense and barbarism in the hands of the Nations.
But no, Sabbetai Tvi was not the Messiah, he was just a crazy guy with enough audacity to call himself G-d, Messiah, and to not only get away with it, with zero miracle or divine sign, be rewarded for it.
Much damage has happened to the children of Israel because of this man.
not all believed him a d the ones who did they stopped and kept fasting to atone their sins for believing him after he converted to Islam they knew he was imposter but he had a post followers
Dear Prof. Abramson. I have recently begun to listen to your wonderful lectures and have enjoyed them thoroughly. However I must make several comments on this one:
1. You characterize Sevi as 'an ashkenazy' when in fact Sevi was neither Sephardic nor Ashkenazic but rather from the little-known Romaniote community. The Romaniotes are Jews who can be considered indigenous to Southern Europe. They are often referred to as Titus' Jews. I've been researching them and more information can be found at romaniote dot blogspot dot com
Sevi was from a family of Romaniote Jews who were thoroughly assimilated within the Judeo-Espagnol culture; he studied under Sephardic scholars, spoke Ladino etc.
Thanks for hearing me out.
Joel Davidi
My grandfather was from Lita he moved to Istanbul c-1914 as a young lad and he learned and spoke Ladino, he fully assimilated to the Judeo-Spanish ways. Funny that Spanish greats like Nachmanides are now claimed as Ashkenazic (because of birth under Christian rule) and flaky Ashkenazim dudes are rejected as not Ashkenazim. Nice cherry picking try.
where did you get you're sources from that say Zevi was a Romaniote? where might you recommend I look to read more about the Romaniote? In your understanding why do so many sources say Zevi was Ashkenzic ? thx
Sir, do you believe Ataturk was a Donmeh??
The sources I've read are somewhat disorganized but sound very convincing.
It's become apparent from my studies that the Donmeh played a major role in Ottoman Politics. Their influence was unquestionable at times.
I find great interest studying the History of the Balkans, Anatolia, Caucuses, and Levant, as the area plays such an important role in my family's history and in modern day GeoPolitcs.
+Henry Abrasion Sure he was !
Christian God's Chosen show proof for this. I'm a Jew, I don't want this! What drugs are you doing?
Christian God's Chosen Well Show Proof
He was an Albanian muslim from city of Manstir today (Bitola) in Macedonia...
it is interesting to note that Shabbatai died in my home town of Ulqin( today Montengro)
Gradually, however, the Turks tired of Sabbatai's double game. He was deprived of his salary and banished from Adrianople to Istanbul. In a village near the latter city he was one day discovered singing psalms in a tent with Jews, whereupon the grand vizier ordered his banishment to Dulcigno (today called Ulcinj), a small place in Montenegro, where he died in solitude in 1676.
52:04 the date shown is actually 666, as the first character is either an I or a J meaning...
Huh
You don't understand this man because you haven't decoded the writings yet. I would love to come to your library to help you.
What is the relationship between Sabbatian Dönmeh, the Saudi royal family, and Wahabi Islam?
The House of Saud IS Donmeh. This is why they get along with Israel so well.
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they're not donmeh they're wahhabis worse
TATOOS I grew up in a neighborhood where shirt and blouse sleves rode up arms exposing tatoos and smiling faces held anguished eyes. The only shiksa within miles, I may be the one and only such member in BBG history ( 1963+ and know it is now a defunct name). always volunteered to play Hayman at Purim and fought with my friend Rachel for it !! A bubbe pointing, so now its you, so next vun its "Rockill" and so enuffvitchyou...oy... so I should die flom disk !! I enjoy your lectures, Dr. Abramson, and thank you. Next year in Jerusalem. Patricia
Thank you for posting this historical events; nevertheless God"s Word is the ultimate truth. Peter a Jewish believer wrote this for you and me back in 100 AD
1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
2Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;
3and in [their] greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
The Kabbalah had been distorted from a Holy study, system, into a magical tool. Very dark, pure arrogance.
Thank you to the fekramt alter yid, who had to use the lecture as an opportunity for grandstanding and create further sinat chinam
Gradually, however, the Turks tired of Sabbatai's double game. He was deprived of his salary and banished from Adrianople to Istanbul. In a village near the latter city he was one day discovered singing psalms in a tent with Jews, whereupon the grand vizier ordered his banishment to Dulcigno (today called Ulcinj), a small place in Montenegro, where he died in solitude in 1676.
Sabbataism did not die off. It was reincarneted centuries later as the Islamist-interfaith dialouge Fetö movement which also arose from İzmir in the 1970's.
@James Gordon indeed!
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What is his connection with the Saudi royal family? And didn't he team up with someone known Kent?
You still dont get it mission of this man.He save Yews from elimination.
So there is some kind of Christian pastor , an Imam and a Rabbi . Every Tuesday these guys have lunch together and talk about their jobs and stuff....So one day they are talking about how they individually get their income to live on . The pastor says "Well I have this bucket and after praying I toss all the money in the air, whatever lands in the bucket is God's gift to me ...the God gets the rest ....works out fine" the Iman says " Yes I do something so similar! Except I have a circle painted on the floor and so I pray , then throw all the money in the air and whatever lands in the circle is God's whatever lands outside of the circle is mine ....Mostly works fine btw" And they look to the Rabbi "So Yakov how about you?" Yakov says "I do something so similar as you guys! Main difference I pray then throw all the money into the air....what God wants he keeps ..."
You not say nothing about Abraham Miguel Cardoso, and Fernando Cardoso who help this event? In the Frankist case it was a way of survive of been neutralized by the catholics, so the females took the risk of some freedom to procreate in these very horrible situation.I see it clear but I do not know why or how it is possible.
Too brief a format to discuss everything.
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this is the 9th generation since Tsvi and tribe were excommunicated.
Hi Abramson,
I would like to correct you on "150 gold coins stipend/monthly paid to be Muslim" is simply not true. The truth is that kind of stipend was paid to anybody whom was expelled from his hometown. It was an Ottoman way of dealing with expelled ones.
Fascinating guy with even fascinating life. There should be movie made about him like the life of Brian?
"Who was expelled" not whom.
How many false Messiahs have the Rabbis crowned since Christ?
none of them were "crowned"!
the one that came the closest to rabbinic approval was Bar Kokhba who initially defeated the Romans and ruled autonomously for 2 years until Hadrian had them crushed. However even though his biggest patron was Rabbi Akiva initially, it became apparent later to the rabbis he was a false messiah and they referred to him henceforth as Bar Kosiva = "Son of deceit"
Ruvain & Shimon!
Did he go too deep in the Kabbalah that it probably messed up his mind?
They did drugs not kabbalah
kabbalah=magic☠
He is the catalyst for our times attrocities
Making Jews tax collectors creates a class division
Blame everything on the Jewish tax collectors
It was either that or work.....Which do you think they wanted to do?
@@johnholmes2397 Exactly like they didn't have a choice hey.. 👍 Most will have volunteered.
Katatonic is absolutely not bipolar
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Obsessive compulsive disorder
Join orthodox Judaism
"Jews tend to be very patriotic wherever they are"... yeah right, they are patriotic towards Israel wherever they are.
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Daniel
No, ignorance does.
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Troll. Nobody but an idiot would believe you’re a Jew.
What military service have you done for the USA.
Maybe you whites should do the same
Nicki Minaj has 500k followers she must be God too
mustafa kemal ataturk was one of them..
Few centuries difference.
Love this life. Will you worship me or watch everything crumble?
I think the joke at the beginning should be: two jews walk by a religious institution of another faith. The end. Get it? Cuz all of the faiths are my property? Ha
Oh poor, poor, Jews... soooo misunderstood throughout history... how can a people that is soooo good, and sooo honest have been kicked out by sooo many European nations... poor, poor Jews...the world is sooo unjust to the Jews....There, I saved you one hour of lecture... in fact, I might have saved you an entire semester...
One of our best was crucified, what do you expect? And the Churches keep reminding us of that with a depiction of the poor Jewish boy, bleeding, nailed to the cross, the crown of thorns on his head and so skinny, the sooo poor mama's god-like boychick. Very gevaltish.
@@robertmitchell8630 facts
Why you speaking the bad talk about the Jew
papi3d Unnecessary rudeness.
papi3d sure! That’s why you’re spending your free time enthralled by us.
one of thousands,........hahahahaha
He was creative, good looking and Gay. The true Messiah, Lord, King of Kings. Yeshua, Jesust Christ.
Like Muhammad? Why would you try to even make that comparison in any context? I guess that little comment alone shows a lot about your character.
Coloca em português para que EU, venha saber arespeito desse rabino aí chamado sabbatai stvi falam que esse safado inverteu todo que o Criador falou na bíblia.
Era a unica maneira de sobrevivencia, por isso foi criado a palavra Safado para sefardita, e como se a comunidade tivese na ultima fase do dominio dos q’anon ate os filhos eram tomados para ser padres e freiras, as maes judias escondiam as crianças dentro de poços, no desespero que acabavam morrendo afogadas.
Funny joke...good one ..
It is Sabbetai that is the false prophet mentioned in The Bible, and not Muhammad ( not that he is a true one, but the wrath of God could be rather with this 'prophet'.
He fulfilled a prophecy from the REAL Messiah. Yeshua said that a false Messiah would come and the Jews would believe in this false Messiah because they had refused the truth.