Private equity heavyweight pushing employee ownership | 60 Minutes
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- Private equity executive Pete Stavros has emerged as an unlikely employee ownership advocate. He says giving the rank and file a stake in their companies is good for workers, and good for business.
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Private equity sounds like a mechanism that extracts the most amount of value from a business, and transfers that wealth to the few general partners.
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I had the privilege of working for publix supermarkets for about 5 years and not only are they a fantastic company but they are employee owned. From the guys who scrub the toilets and bag the groceries on all the way up to the CEO I think everybody can take a little bit of pride when the ownership is set up that way.
That's awesome. Thanks for sharing some positive news
How much more does the CEO get paid then the toilet cleaner? Do they share equally or is ceo making 20 times the cleaner's pay? Beware of wolf of wall street in sheep's skin.
My company has been 100% employee owned for 10 years. It is a wonderful concept and works great.
This is how capitalism should work. Workers getting their fair share will alleviate any concerns of poor productivity. A productive worker is a happy one. But they can't be unless they're rich if not wealthy.
The ESOP is hybrid capitalism/socialism economic model that I believe if we embraced more, would see more overall economic prosperity in America.
Capitalism does not work! That has been proven. Beware capitalists pretending to socialize just to get their hands on the money and company. Evil is sneaky and will use good will to back door its capitalism in to any organization.
As was mentioned, 60 Minutes did a piece on employee ownership back in 1975. You can view it on YT. The piece was optimistically talking about closing the (much smaller) wealth gap with employee stock ownership plans (ESOPs). The question becomes why hasn't the concept of employee ownership spread throughout the economy in the half century since then?
That would force capitalist to admit that socialism works.
IF everyone owns a piece and nets after sale say a quarter million - then the now diluted concentrated ownership stakes earn say 2M instead of 20M or 200M.
Yea, I was about to say this employee ownership model should have been pushed in the 1980s instead of trickle down. Now? It's a bit too late. There won't be many employees left when A.I. goes into full force.
Corporate/wealthy class greed, that's why. The short term loss of profit would be more than offset by future growth, but the wealthy class wants their money now.
Power. Giving ownership of the company to the employees is giving up power.
He gives me hope.
I think it's too little, too late with kkr. This story is the rare exception, not the norm with them...
I remember when I worked for Amazon and they told me, "This is your company". Hahahaahah, then proceeds to layoff about 90% of our team without notice or apology. I no longer strive to work for American companies. I aim for companies in countries where Unions exist or that don't allow firing without good reason. Job security is key!
It's called at will employment. Similarly, you can quit at any time.
CEOs and executive VPs are the nobles and we are the serfs.😞
Excellent Reporting!
Great report. Good to see someone in PE world gets it you get more from your employees when they have skin in the game.
Smart guy. I'm in Australia and a few of our bigger businesses here do the same thing.
Private equity is a cancer of this country
BEAUTIFUL!!!
Amazing.
I enjoyed this watch yet, this makes light of the situation for the whole economy. This is yet one company there are millions of multi billion corporations that do not give good salaries to employees. They're minimum wage pay check to pay check jobs and many have to have 2 pt jobs just to make ends meet.
Illegals will not help this situation as they will work for much less.
Love this!
I was involved in an employee ownership company and retired in 2018 with almost six million dollars. It’s odd they didn’t talk about the tax code name . It’s either a partial or full ownership via an ESOP. The one they highlighted here isn’t that great .The company still has highly compensated bosses who are making 10 to 20 times the average worker is making. They have no say in operational decisions or health insurance plans . It’s a really good way for the ownership to cash out tax free as long as the money is reinvested in certain assets.
Sounds like you work today. Employee ownership-ish company.
They said they were employee owned, but if you don't have any decision capacity in the company, do you really own it?
I agree this is NOT the best model of Employee Ownership. He didn't explain where that original "pool" of money given to each employee came from. And the idea of selling the company to make profit for the workers seems counter productive. In my expierence with an ESOP Company we gain shares every year based on a% of salary. ALL employees are on salary and recieve a dividend each year based on performance and the number of shares you have acquired. All employees have voting rights to elect a board of directors. You can maintain ownership of shares after retiring from the Co.
Bottom line is no unless you’re one the highly compensated employees you’re basically a worker who’s stock awards are pretty much based on how much money you earn. Fortunately I was a vice president of my division .
Your response is thoughtful and for the most part accurate. If you’re a public ESOP which most aren’t board of directors are usually not voted on by rank and file . At my company it was the least independent imaginable mostly made up of f former retired officers and very close business associates. We had 1 or 2 maximum outsiders at any given time.
@@everythingisfine9988Why, exactly, should an employee with zero experience in running a company have any say in the operations?
My hope is that this ownership percentage doesn't become a substitute for actual wage growth
It will be a substitute. They are hoping to retain employees until the company is flipped, but watch closely as wages stagnate in the meantime.
I've often thought of this concept, but never had the kind of money that Stavros has. This should work under just about all business models, and I hope the this movement takes root.
60 Minutes. Please investigate Employee Ownership further. There are several varitions for ESOPs. Your example is NOT one of the better ones. But thanks for getting the topic out once again in the public eye.
I would love for you to explain a better one . I’m a chi employee. Everything in this was true.
@@truckingmoney485 I posted a reply yesterday but looks like it was taken down perhaps because I mentioned the Co. I worked and retired from. In 1980 we purchased a family owned business with money from a "retirement plan" the family had set up and borrowed the balance. We gain shares based on a % of wages Everyone is on salary and nobody owned more that 4% . We all have voting rights based on # of shares. Twice a year the board approves a dividend from the profits that go into your account unless you want to take them in cash. Our Co. is considerd a "model ESOP my many in the ESOP community.
BTW- In practice he's not advocating for employee *ownership*, just an employee *share*. Typically~10% of the gains from any private equity turnaround go to the employees, 90% goes to equity holders. Essentially the workers are getting the (relatively large for them) crumbs while owners take the cake. Some will argue that this is major progress, but we should be clear who really benefits here. He's featured on a recent Freakonomics podcast about this that has a bit more balance and background.
It is tough to throughly explore this topic in under 20 minutes.
When you do a 10 minute search of this firm you begin to see there is more to it than what is presented here.
When you ask questions and take the time to think...you get a much fuller understanding of what is going on.
Very cool
KKR is a good operator.
If you’re not getting raises within the 5 years before they sell, you’ll know it was a scam. Also, make sure you don’t quit before the payout because you don’t actually own anything once you’re not an employer
Its not a "wealth canyon" either. You need to think in terms of space-time and light years.
I am an immigrant and I see that on the individual level Americans have a very hard time of saving money. I go into stores sometimes and see people buying nice looking things that they do not necessarily need. And then they have the nerve to cry that "oh, we don't have any money left..." And want the Government to fix things.
Now, any and every dollar that was unnecessarily spent could have been invested and return 5-10% on average. It does not feel much in the first few years but after 5-7 years you really feel it. I know this because I practice these good habits.
Now, that being said, I think that there needs to be some Government regulation to ease income inequality. But it will need to be done intelligently and without hurry and emotion. Perhaps employee ownership is a model to aim for as well. Maybe tax structures can be amended to reward employee ownership and dividends instead of stock buybacks.
It’s more about keeping employees. The employees can’t sell shares they must stay
Kkr didn't mention private ownership at all when they bought my company in the mid 2000's... I'd fact check how often this really happens with them.
Doing well just for myself is nothing compared to doing well with others who share a common goal....To be a millionaire while watching others fight for scraps... What's the point of life if you are only in it for your own benefit?
Not every worker is begging to own stock. Some will prefer to invest in a new home or put their money in a savings account.
This is part of what is missing in the US today. This is a part of what is needed to reduce some of the wealth gap inequity. If this gap is not reduced, things will only get worse.
Employee ownership -great idea. Too many CEOs are happy to sell the company or move abroad and cast aside the workers.
I’m still skeptical
We need more executives like him! I am not against Leo's making a lot, but they make waaaay too much and the regular guys make waaaay to little
The issue is there is only one of those guys for literally every hedge fund operator. And even then these folks simply got lucky. A needle in a haystack. 99.9% of hedgers would’ve laid off everyone, foistered the debt of the company thereby crippling its ability to function & bankrupt them then sold the husk. That’s the truth.
The misunderstanding of statistics
Does an ESPP count?
Skin in the game is the way.
The Tesla worker-shareholder model comes to fruition.
I love the concept. Too bad greed gets in the way of making it commonplace.
It’s a beautiful concept ! Happy employees are highly productive. They actually make the profits happen. May this movement wave thru our culture !!!
CEO salary should be no more that 5- 10x of the combined average salary of all the employees. Nothing more.
What ever happened to Saturn, the employee owned car company?
Needs to be more prominent
If this helps people move closer to being able to afford a decent life in America then I am all for it…we need larger and larger companies doing this but that requires less and less billionaires
Employees should always control 51 percent of their company stock. It should be a law that makes it illegal to sell a controlling stake in any company to an outside investor, so the investors can never force decisions that are not in the best interest of the company employees. Stock holders and CEO’s should not be able to ruin a company and then move on to the next victim company after stealing all of the hard earned equity that the employees have built up.
Socializing the workforce to get all the benefits of bullying, harassment, snitching and cannibalism of the acquisition with none of the economic consequences. You can see him almost smile every time you ask a question that has nothing to do with the real concern here.
Yea, but what about the new employees, how does the equation hold up?
Read the book Barbarians at the Gate. It’s describes KKR’s nefarious tactics in taking over RJR Nabisco. I wouldn’t trust this guy as far as I could throw him.
This all sounds good until the down time comes and companies start losing money. Many people could only get by with a steady paycheck.
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Lol if we were plundering than how could we keep being able to plunder. That clown just doesn't care.
This is hilarious. They say it’s not socialist for employees to own the company that they work at. I don’t think they know what socialism is. So either the employees own the assets of the business and have say as to how the business is run or they don’t
They don’t. This isn’t really any different than tech companies who pay employees in stock options. It’s tax-advantaged for KKR and, because the $ is coming from the sale of the company, they aren’t even the ones funding it.
The wealth gap is SICKENING In our country 🇺🇲. We're suppose too be the #1 best country? Wealthy people just can't settle making a 100 to 1,000 times the regular employee.
I can see this working for companies that produce products like the company featured in this story. Definitely not the service industry - not healthcare, not veterinary medicine, not assisted living, not construction. I can see these companies and their employees, under private equity, recommending expensive services that aren't needed, or even false diagnoses, just to boost profit margins. I can see them using faulty building materials in a home, or recommending deceptive investment tools. While some hardcore capitalists aren't intentionally evil, they sure do have blinders on that can lead to evil.
1 CEO vs an entire staff… numbers are not the same
Gonna go enron. Do employee ownders get daily reports on the company financial disclosures
If not daily, definitely monthly should be accessible to all employees.
Lately this ESOP is being dialed back. Seems some owners don’t see the value
That's because they don't want to share the wealth, and they also don't want to share the losses.
The host seems very skeptical with Pete After all,this is a damn private equity firm. Their main objective is profit,money,profit and again,money. Sure,employee ownership is good but seems like there's few catches in the contract for it. Private equity wont ever offer it with no string attached.
Why does gaining market share negate pe from helping too much of the rich? WTF
Huuuuuge wealth inequality in the U.S. We need a National Wealth Tax with redistribution for all.
Even though they 10x the return the workers only made a 0.5x-6.5x return. Real champions of the greater good
zzzzz start your own business then
A lot of tech companies and startups already do this, as types of stock options. Also, more traditional companies have bonus plans based on the financial performance of the company.
Not sure what is so special here
Because it is a private equity firm, buying a company that is not employee owned. They then switch it over to employee owned, this will always bring up quality and quantity. Then some other company recognizes that this company is now very profitable, it gets bought up. The employees get huge payouts linked to tenure. The private equity firm gets a very large return on their initial investment.
All of this will bring up a new middle to upper middle class out of lower class jobs.
You are right it is not a new concept , but look the smiling face of the couple. They work at factory and get a chance to earn it from their investment because a company has shown them a way.
@@sekousekou8838If the whole point of this news piece is a couple is happy bc they got a bunch of money from their company, it is a very superficial story.
I think the real difference is the way the private equity company sold the fact that the workers now own a part of the company to the workers. It is one thing to mention it in some news note article that no one ever reads, but it is a totally different thing to announce like results to a lottery. Personally, I find it overly materialistic and off putting the way the announced the results, but maybe the lower class like it
This guy might be on to something....
Who has read his research paper?
Wonder if the turnover rate is lower?
Commies!
Good luck trying to decipher employee ownership structure buried in fine prints.
This guy still makes to most money and works the least. It's just another sociopath who learned to say the right things.
This PE as others tries to make a company profitable and marketable to other investors. The PE can sell a company to make more profits to its investors. Thus, the PE can use any form or a tool possible to increase profits of a lousy company. So, in this case the PE believes that employee's ownership is the best way for making the company very profitable. Employee's ownership is different from workers ownership because employees may capitalists, managers, and the like. Essentially, a company has to make high profits to survive. Otherwise, the unprofitable company or the unit will die.
Make the employees the 100% owner, loans backed by the government.
I don't trust it
How much of total ownership goes to employees? Kkr worst experience to work with. They will squeeze you anyway
Workers profiting from the shares of the means of production, there’s nothing wrong with a little socialism.
Back when they were KKR, it was a much different story...
Said ' Shameless of those who is saying we are the currency owner has no problem at all but so many years goes in same situations conditions is going to worst to worst day by day even those has no plan how to manage basic right's of humanity's since beginning Experiment of each others' 😁
Why are they all dressed in black jackets?
Tell that crap to the mindless generation. Pvt Equity companies see the writing on the wall. And are cashing out. They are taking the last boat out. His own words give the people part of the company. Then it will close. And the people are stuck with out a job. Remember 1980. Same thing. They get rich and the workers are left holding the bag. And the taxes 😅
Yup A.I is about to decimate majority of jobs & shut down so many such companies by the end of this or the next decade. These opportunistic guys in PE understand this & are gonna make a fortune, it's actually brilliant, if not completely sociopathic.
Pete Stavros: "this is not socialism."
Socialism: "workers owning the means of production."
Government owned is socialism, worked owned is Marxism, a small few chosen owned is capitalism
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Turns out, putting all your equity offering on CEOs (one person) wasn’t that bright of an idea. Lol. Turns out they will just milk the company for fast money. Lol.
Who is worse is the people that were forced to build the pyramids or now the civilization we live in now the people do the same thing but in the compassion way to the poor people you figure it out all species is the worst in the universe 🇺🇸⚖️👈🤔
Well dude Private Equity does plunder, on the backs of the working class. Whether or not they cut jobs they make progress at the expense of the poor.
So… socialism/communism?
This will never change human beings will come worse somebody will come along a little smarter a little worse because I will hold species is like that figure it out 👉🧠👈🤔
Evangelist, because it sounds nice, but what has he done with his power? Bah.
Modern day slavery
Dude, it’s over your head. Don’t even try.
This is a variation of 'Marxism'. I'm a Millennial and would love to try something other than Western capitalism. I just don't think Boomers, Wall St., The Elites and Greedy FED would love this idea all that much.
Employees aren't business execs nor have the training or knowledge of what's being told to them in business jargon terms. Horrible Idea, the guy obviously has no idea about unionization.
In the reporting - they say employees will have input in day to day operations which makes alot of sense. FYI - CEO's are usually not charged with that task. It makes alot of sense. You want to keep employees and this may be a way to do it. It's a win - win.
@@VegetaThoughts But they're being sold a pipe dream. The company will stay with the money and they'll not be paid. Read the contract word for word. Private equity for you
The employees know more about how the business works than the CEOs. The only difference is they lack POWER. Because the CEO’s hoard it all.
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Tell ya what... when I've got a billion dollars sitting in a bank...? I'll be interested in "employee ownership" too.
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Disingenuous to the core.
But nice attempt. 👌 😉
How so ? There are many billionaires who couldn't care less about employee ownership. Not saying he is a saint but if he is doing something that helps employees, why do you care about the reasons ?
@@codegeek-il5fm Never said anything about his reasons. Was simply stating the point of the piece was disingenuous. Not the man himself. The story about him and the reasons for doing it.
But I very much appreciate your take on my comment. Thank you 😊
Would love to see a part 2 story about the new owners @thenucorchannel @60minutes
Yes. Instead of bailing out banks with handouts.
Better for all, but much more for rich still
Why are there no jobs for smart educated people? All these new job search engines don't work.