Overheating a Train Engine in Reverse to Beat the Bonus Timer in Derail Valley!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- Hey everyone and welcome to Derail Valley Overhauled! In this episode we are continuing with a load but unfortunately due to the orientation of the train we have to run this entire load in reverse! This engine is a front radiator locomotive which means running in reverse runs the engine extremely hot and to attempt to beat the bonus timer we have to run it HOT and at the overheat limit!
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Everyone: "Hey kAN, don't put your hand on a Stove Burner while it's on."
kAN: Makes a video of him placing his hand on a hot stove to see what happens.
Edit: By the way, you can literally use a Triangle intersection to move your loco to the other end of the cars so it's facing the right way.
Stop the whole train before the intersection. Decouple. Run Loco across the intersection. Flip the switch to the other line, back up past that switch and the next one. Flip that switch. Bingo bango you are now facing the cars in the opposite direction. That's how we do it in the real world without turn tables and why Triangle intersections exist.
He really should know this, just not using his noggin
Tip 1: Now you've got the long license get used to using the train brake. If your pulling and have to slow down in a curve and you use the independent, the cars will just push the engine right off the track.
Tip 2: No need to slam on the train brake fully. Most of the slowing down can be done using the first couple of notches of the train brake and the pressure to release builds back up faster than full brake.
I suggest when arriving near the destination of the job, slide the brake lever into Initial reduction notches. (Notch 1-3) Notch 4-7 is Service (efficient braking, recharges reasonably fast.) and 7-Max is Emergency. (Fastest speed reduction but slowest brake valve recharge.)
in each major station is a shop. each of the shops has an unique item. one of them is a stopwatch. you can gauge your remaining time with it. one of the other stations has a remote control for the diesel locos. have fun with that.
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Got some more Tips:
-The main hotkeys for stuff you'll need to remember are the ones for the Train Brake (N & M) and the Independent Brake (K & L).
-To not damage anything, you'll want to couple up at 10kph or less.
-As far as I remember, the fan is useless currently.
F1 through F8 operates all the engine controls as well, feels pretty convenient to have them all in a row. :)
@@AlexanderBurgers same thoughts exactly, F1+F2 Throttle , F3+F4 Train Brake, F5+F6 Reverser, F7+F8 Independent Brake
Tho i definately need to go into the config file they list on the controls booklet to swap the Train Brake and Reverser keys around
Yes fan is usless but when simulator drops soon it will be working
kAN in 2021: Railroads online!
kAN in 2022: Derail valley
kAN in 2031: Canada Pacific Conductor
Tips: there is a turntable at almost every station, some stations are huge like the port so you need to look for it, also on the station map the table is a circle connected to the line
Steel Mill, Food Factory, City Southwest, Harbor, Machine Factory, Iron Ore Mine West, Forest South, Sawmill, Oil Well Central, and Military Base all have turntables.
Goods Factory, Coal Mine, Iron Ore Mine East, Forest Central, and Oil Well North, each have a reversing loop around the perimeter of the facility.
Farm is the only location without a method of reversing the direction of a locomotive, but it is between the Steel Mill Wye and Oil Well Central, so reversing here is only mildly inconvenient.
As you get more licenses the time bonus time becomes less and less. You are going to have to hook up the train before you take the job eventually. If you are ever planning on taking multiple jobs the _only way_ to get the time bonus is to hook up the cars first.
Some other tips:
Cars have their job ID on them this makes them much easier to identify before you take a job.
Go through all of the jobs on tables before making a decision on which one to take. Some are objectively better than others.
Car, cargo, loco, and environmental (hazmat) damage will bankrupt you later on if you are not careful.
Do not take any licenses that raise the insurance copay more than you can comfortably make.
If you hear a car derail, full stop. Rerail. Start back up. The most likely cars to derail are those at the front.
A stop watch is available for purchase at one of the shops (I think the harbor) for 5k. It is extremely useful for keeping track of time left.
Station offices always have an antenna with a green light on the top of them.
A locomotive remote(25k) for the diesel locos is available at one of the shops.
A hand car(5k) and a caboose(25k I think) are available for purchase at 2 of the shops. Their are 2 sheds on the map that need to be unlocked.
The caboose has a range extender and quick charger for the locomotive remote, and a service/license terminal.
I have only played in VR so some of my experiences my differ.
The speed limits are more of a speed in which you should not exceed to avoid losing control of your train. I would suggest keeping your speed at least 10 km/h under the posted speed so you can have a better chance at being able to brake.
In the event of major damage and fees I recommend get a mod that allows you to get yourself out of debt
Ah where's the fun in that
When you get the steamer license you should get the Realistic Steamer Overhaul mod. It makes the steamer perform like it should and fixes the weirdness it has in the vanilla game.
I read that as streamer license
@@Ericshadowblade Which is what he actually gets... All streamers out there have to get Derail valley and buy that license to be allowed to stream.
Does that fix the water consumption? I just did a loop steel mill to goods factory and back and that took every ounce of my water which is just absurd.
@@Dude13450 It does reduce the water consumption especially when climbing hills.
In the vanilla game the steamer uses up a lot of steam and thus water even if the train is stationary but the regulator is open. This should not happen.
In reality the steam consumption should depend on the speed of the train, as steam is only consumed when the piston's valve opens when the train moves. This means that steam consumption increases with speed and is (almost) zero when stationary with full regulator.
@@joonahuikuri6662 oh thx for the tip im playing the game and im almost at the steam engines and didnt even notice mods lol
Just a warnimg, the steam engine is more of a handful, but well worth the work load!
Hey Kan, you can operate all the controls with just the mouse wheel - just point you camera at something and once it's highlighted scroll up/down with the wheel to operate it. When doing this on the brakes, scrolling down will always release the them, scrolling up will always apply them.
kAN, you can turn around at any of the Y junctions... Including the one you travelled through after leaving the port. IRL many places use a wye instead of a turntable, it allows to turn around entire consists. We mainly use them to turn electric suburban trains around, so the wheels on each side wear evenly.
yeah except in the harbor you need to be careful to not slam against the invisible wall thats there because you don't have the military or hazardous license... i can't recall witch one it was
@@De_Lus it's the military that puts the wall there
@@De_Lus There's two Y junctions in the harbor though. One before the roundhouse( with turntable) and one after. Only one of the Y's approaches an offlimit's zone, the other is freely traversable
A Lot Of Peoples: "Running In Reverse Is Dangerous!"
kAN: "I think it'll be fine."
11:55 kAN: "Let's just see what happens, eh?"
12:10: Engine Shuts Off Due To Protective Mechanism
kAN: "Oh. So it does overheat."
Me: "I saw this coming a mile down the line."
Every time kAN and Dapper play this, I feel like they're getting a lot of knowledge about how the railroad works. Props to everyone involved for giving him pointers.
Little tip when talking about tracks at 2:06 for exemple D3O means D3 Outbound and I2I is I2 inbound (correct me if i made a mistake there)
Yup. Also if I remember right, L is for (Un)Loading, and S is for either Staging or Storage.
:Edit: Haha, yeah later in the ep he read it from the manual. This is what comments are for - telling people stuff they already know! :D
@@norbby42 I like to think S is sidings but I don't really use them that much as I don't do shunting untill I get the remote
D30 would be 3 Outbound in the D section
I2I doesn't exist (afaik) as no train station has an I section, but D2I would be 2 Indbound in the D section
@@ValentineC137 I am no train expert just heard Dapper explaining it in his videos but thanks for the info !
Tip that I use: Drop your map in the train, so you can view it at all times while in the train without messing with your inventory. Same with the job paperwork.
Also, right-click zooms
EDIT: Didn't watch long enough to see you do it! Was going based on last video.
Or you can play the game so much that you memorise all the tracks without needing the map ;)
@@brijekavervix7340 also a great tip!
Hi Kan. as you progress you'll notice time bonuses have a % knocked off making the goal harder. You can move the consists around in the yard when you have concurrent job license >1 and you need to shunt them around. DON'T leave the yard with the consist without accepting the job. The job will despawn. Other turnaround options include the triple point "Y" junctions, I'm sure you'll work out how. Also, when you have followed a route you'll find the points are left as set. Checkout the different shops too. All sell different stuff and situated near / opposite passenger platforms.
Iv been playing this for awhile now and just unlocked the steam engine. Wait till you get that thing... instruction overload!
You can save time by looking for and coupling to the train formations before accepting the actual contracts. Makes it easier to get the time bonus.
hes trying to pull up the map when theres a huge map on the wall in front of him
Ah the DE2 - A modern Betsy.
i love the train engine sounds!!!!! it makes em feel so powerful!!!
Got some things to help 1. If you hit esc in the menu there is a button that says station scamatics it provides you with a basic map of each station and where things are
2.trains have low friction so cruise as much as possible to save fuel
3.the dynamic brake is only good for anything but your locomotive it is powerful but takes long time to come into effect
4.wheel slip there is a red light turn your throttle down when it goes on or use the sander
5.go below 5 kph when hooking up to prevent damage and repair cost
6.your train can only haul 400 tons but with multi unit liscense you can stack them
7.please read the manuals
8.must stations have a turntable or a place you can turn your train around
i can't wait for you to drive the steam locomotive. The first time its super hard, but its tremendously fun.
Instead of using a turn table or a "Y" junction, you can also just go through the shunting yard on a clear line. As long as you can get out at the other end this will place you in your direction of travel at the end of the cars
You can even use a single Y intersection to turn the train around. Move 1 wheel over the junction, switch it. Give a small bit of throttle and the train magically goes 2 directions and flips around. Physics does not exist in the game
OK, you made me buy this. Thanks for your excellent channel.
Remembers me of in the 2011 The little engine that could movie, when Little Engine (yes, that's her name) overheats and rollls downhill for a while.
21:45 the only ticked you get for speeding are the damage bills
Remaining bonus time can be measured and calculated by the pocket stop-watch item. It is purchasable at station shops.
Cool bit of info thanks
Tip: NEVER EVER use the shunter backwards. The vents in the front of the shunter helps to cool the engine. Use the turntable to flip the locomotive.
Tip 2: I suggest when arriving near the destination of the job, slide the brake lever into Initial reduction or service notches. Notch 1-3 is Initial reduction. (Small reduction in speed for a comfortable stop, making no damage to the cars and locomotive) Notch 4-7 is Service (efficient braking, recharges reasonably fast.) and 7-Max is Emergency. (Fastest speed reduction but slowest brake valve recharge.)
You could use the triangle intersection to turn around. Drop your load before the intersection. Go through the first switch, the second. Stop, flip second switch, go back through the second and through the third. Stop, flip switch, go back through the third. Go through the first switch, reattach load. Go through intersection and continue as normal. It is basically a 3 point turn but with a train.
to save time you can hook up the cars before you accept the mission - the mission code is on the cars
So when you talk about air brakes - Im a truck driver IRL and big rigs use exactly the same system for braking. The air pressure actually releases the brakes, therefore creating a built-in safety system where if you blow an air line and pressure is lost, rather than having a runaway truck that could smash through cars and kill people, instead the brakes will lock up and force the truck to stop. However this can also cause crashes. There has been unlucky moments where air lines leading to the trailer on a big rig broke, so the trailer locked up brakes at highway speeds and caused a jack-knife. Its still safer than a runaway system, but its not perfect.
Just starting the video, but: There is a roundhouse in town if you want to turn around. There are at least 2 "Y"s in town you can turn around there too. And, especially in the harbor, one can usually get behind your load on those dead ends by going up a clear siding and getting behind it...works well with a switcher....one can usually fit two switchers in there...this would mean you'd push the load out instead of pulling and then you'd need to turn around if you intend to head out of town to the west (which works well, cause the two "Y"s are near the west side of town)...or...head out of town east to get to your destination. You can turn around anywhere there is a "Y"...even out on the "mainline".
Oi...train length before multi units?? Ah well...good luck. And I'm really looking forward to you having a go at the steam engine. Oh! And thanks for going through the manual...I learned something.
Kan: speed limits and a train are like speed limits for a car
Physics: No
Nice! That locomotive looks really hot. Heat wise. Also here's a tip for horn/whistle signals for railroading games. These are just general signals.
2 Short blasts - Moving forward
3 Short blasts - Moving backward
1 Short blast - Stopped/stopping
2 long blasts, 1 short blast, 1 long blast - Clearing a crossing (Moving through a crossing)
Not sure how up-to-date these are (Or how far back in time they apply to for Railroads Online!) but these are what I've learned over the years.
Axehandle here... for long haul jobs pick one of the engines in the roundhouse and turn it around on the turntable to face outward before coupling.
one thing that i've started doing is using multiple shunting locos tied together to better handle heavy loads and getting that extra torque. there is a license that you can get to utilize this feature.
if you having trouble pulling load with the shunter loc try getting the license to run multiple loco's.
i was able to do 4 jobs at the same time from steel mill to the harbor with 5 shunters coupled together pulling 41 cars with a tot of 1480 tons.
Even with light loads having atleast 2 is gear for better acceleration with less wheel slip, you can still turn them on the turn table 2 at the same time but if there is a T intersection nearby it's eazyer to turn the loc's around using it instead.
Really enjoyed it. I am finding myself enjoying all your train series at the moment. Although the other day I did find myself missing scrap coop survival. Keep it up though man, thanks for the great video.
Please make a series on this game
There IS a turntable at the harbor where you started. It's in front of the building with the locomotives in it near the west entrance. You passed it around 9:14, it's right in view for a split second as you turn the camera around.
As well as 11:25 he goes through a wye. could have turned his engine around there
Not sure if you will be able to do a Long train with the shunter. You may need 2 of them, or a DE6.
There is a remote at one of the shops, it's very handy for yard switching. (Expensive though)
As someone else mentioned, there is a stopwatch (I believe at the harbor) that will help you with timing. I think it was either $2500 or $5000 I forget which
Enjoy your insurance while you can, more licenses equals less insurance and more out of pocket for fees and maintenance (unless you do manual maintenance... But that can get tedious.)
It's a great game with a lot of potential, and I am enjoying it!
you couuuuld make your FoV a little higher to see a bit more and not feel cramped in the trains, helps reduce stress or something idk
I think KAN forgot that there is a turntable at the round house where he saw all those locomotives parked and he can back up to the load and leave going forward.
TIP for jobs-- the code on the job info (HB-FH-24) is also mentioned on the cargo rakes this will save time and increase time bonus
The first license you should aim for is concurrent jobs-1 it helps a lot for early cash (but be careful as the starter train can pull only 390 tons correct me if I'm wrong)
manual service license will save you some money but will take up your time
keep at least 20k on you at all times or maybe more
don't go after not so important early on like hazmat and logistic haul
the multiple unit license along with concurrent job one will help out a lot
I know your insurance company is currently being very generous, but they're going to _raise_ your copays as you take on licenses for bigger trains and bigger, riskier jobs, so here's a couple money-saving tips for the future:
If you print out your itemized bill after a job, you'll notice a big part of it is maintenance and refueling. If you just pay your fees outright as soon as you get into town, the Derail Valley Railroad Company will happily handle maintenance and fuel _for_ you... for a _surcharge_ on top of the cost of the actual repairs and resources. Again, right now your insurance provider is eating most of that, so it's actually more cost-effective to let the Company do its thing, but as your copays go up and you're paying more and more of your own bills, you'll want to buy the maintenance license so you can use the service sheds yourself. You'll start paying for _your own_ fuel, sand, and repairs, but you won't be paying the surcharges anymore.
On the topic of maintenance and fuel, you can save on these by just remembering one thing: Trains only actually touch a _tiny_ part of the tracks. That means less friction, which means trains can coast _really, really far._ Consequently, you can actually go pretty far by getting up to speed and then bringing the accelerator back down to idle, only using it to maintain your speed, like on uphill grades. Idling and coasting saves fuel, and also gives the engine a chance to cool down after acceleration, meaning less wear on the engine.
Wear on your brakes, similarly, can be slowed by _nudging_ your brake handles, or by flicking them on and off. What you've basically been doing is throwing the emergency brake whenever you just want to lose a few kph, and that aggressive stopping wears down the brakes _and_ loses you the time spent waiting for the system to re-pressurize. More gentle braking slows you down without bringing the train to a halt.
This is a series to keep for sure.
Oddly very enjoyable even though mostly the same.
Speed sign: You should not exceed this limit. It's not safe.
kAN: Hold my beer!
Since steam locos use steam to move when you reverse they don't overheat diesels overheat because of the fact that they have diesel engines also love your vids especially the steam locomotive videos
The station map should show you where the turntables are (at locations that have them). The Harbor & Town's turntable is at the engine shed near the downhill entrance that you left via.
Also, on the goods factory & town station you can turn around by going from B through the line in the middle (that with the service), and coming back through C - you effectively do a loop around the station
Please more Derail Valley
You can find you load by looking at the code of the delivery, for example HB-FH-74, this mean Harbor, Freight Haul, randomly generated number 74, if you were at the Steel Mill, it would be SM-FH-02
In real life you would care about the speed limit since otherwise (in most places, especially stations etc.) the emergency brakes would activate automatically. ;D
You're going to be surprised as soon as you figure out how fast the steam engine is in this game, i've had it upto 120kph. with a 700 ton train.
5:37 You can right-click to zoom
I like how he's like "I heard driving backward is bad because your engine overheats"
*DRIVES IN REVERSE ANYWAY*
"ugh, why is my engine overheating!?!"
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just saying. You crossed over several wyes. You can park your load (apply handbrake) at the switch. Back up the right side, flip the switch. Go right again, then you turn yourself around. Use the Wyes to your advantage
To turn the train around you can use one of the round houses, or just use one of the triangle shaped junctions (works like a 3 point turn)
You were at on @9:30
As soon as you said you gonna go backwards I knew you were in for a bad bad time 🤣
Just wanted to say lovin derail valley keep it up
I'm pretty sure the station map also has sections for the individual yard areas, with maps of each track. Might be helpful in the future.
love that kan doesnt use the fan
If you want to save time for the bonus, might I suggest when sightly far away but approaching the station, go to the station and flip the switches for the siding so you can get the cars into it and unload the quickly as it saves time having to move fairly slow so you can flip the switches
Kan, the reason why Betsy derailed on a straight track is because the design of the wheel. Check out Mustard’s video on the hover train to learn more bc it’s quite a topic and I think you’ll love it.
There is a turntable at the harbor, but never used it. I use the 3point turn right before the turntable to turn the locomotive.
20:38 that’s because for the time being, it runs on a narrow gauge track. Once the devs had updated to allow modding in the game you’ll be able to go at high speed with standard gauge.
6 months without an update, kinda seems a dead game
@@jagerfly2231 seriously... 6 months? That's.. nothing tbh.
@@abbycottontail 6 moths with absolutely no community interaction as far as I've seen (no hot fixes or events) is not that long, but still something that may be concerning
@@jagerfly2231 there's an update set to come out in March this year
one of the trains that you can use is a steam train and you even get to shovel the coal you should check that train out kAN!
I like how you talk about turning the train around and never do it. You could literally use any y to teyn the train around..... lol great video!
You can use any train you want that's in the game because all the trains are free
Hey kan, love the vid!
Anyway, the track numbers are not 30 or 51, but instead 3-O for "Output track number 3", or 5-I for "Input track number 5"
Alt while holding an item allows you to look around
You can flick switches without the radio if you are close and clicking on it
Kan: "Speed limits are suggestions"
I watch all your videos
I liked this game so much i bought it right after watching ur vid
i would like to see more of this game looks awsome also their is a multiplaer mod and would be funny to see you play multiplayer with someone else like dapper
There are turntables at every major location apart from oil well north iirc, but you can also use wye junctions to turn around
You should make a mega train. The D6 is good at hauling trains longer than just 8 cars. (I dare say it’s better than the 282).
there is a turntable at every station, usually where the roundhouse is. will be useful for when you might need ot connect 2 shunters together
The game has a pocket watch you can buy for $5,000 in the store at Harbor. The store is a small blue with a yellow stripe building on the other side of the concrete wall on the south side of the E yard in Harbor.
Aaaaaand the rerail discount is gone :D
9:24 You're about to pass the switch that leads to the turntable and roundhouse.
D3O is D3 outgoing, D5I is D5 Incoming and if it was D2S its D2 storage, you can use these as clues to where cars are.
kan maybe you have to take other free rail to get to other side of the load so you can hook it up in forward
There is a watch you can buy at the harbor (I think) but I don't bother.
Longer video 😀 and maby Kan maby you could look around to see the different trains or maby look into some of the licenses what they require to obtain?
For a game called "Derail Valley" it's kind of funny that you don't derail when you reverse back over a switch you've just run through.
In many cases modern railroad switches are spring-loaded to allow a train to pass back the wrong way
@@Travelinmatt1976 No they're not. If anything, spring switches are far LESS common than once they were.
I really like this game great vid
As has been mentioned if you don't have a turntable look for a wye to turn your train or locomotive
man im buying this game as soon as it gets multiplayer.
Wonderful Contend! Keep up the great work that once earned my subscription!
And i again spelled something wrong. I am sorry.
Hi Kan Idk if you saw but now in railroads online resurces production has changed now for 1 beam and 2 lumber now you will get 5 iron
Great content man.
No Turnaround? Look for a 3-way intersection. For example, the entrance to C.
Step one, Enter C.
Step two, Exit in the opposite direction.
Step three, go back to where you came from, but now you're facing the other direction. 🎉🎉
About your statement on steam locomotive speed, many of them were quite fast. For example, the Union Pacific FEF 4-8-4s had a top speed of 120 MPH, and the New York Central 4-6-4 Hudsons had a top speed of 123 MPH.
And there was a few British steam trains that easily outran their Diesel Electrics as well in races pulling equal weight.
@@daveb.4383 Very true!
Like I mean I kinda like the railroad’s online series much more so could we have more of that
Love this content man keep the ridiculousness going
Thoughts on me suggesting to scrapman to do a pro ( himself ) vs 3 noobs at all the races on race Island in trailmakers.?
This is amazing! Definitely going to buy this game on sale!!!
same
VR Trains will definetively be nice
Hey mate, you should definatepy try vr if you have the opportunity, it is a completpy different experience
Usually, you couple the wagon on the loco. Not the loco on the wagon.
However, it doesn't matter in DRV.
Yeah because if the couple breaks, it's stupid when it is the couple of the loco. It renders that end practically useless