Sorry man, we have to disagree on this one. They're lovely to drive, but the software in the user-facing displays is a dumpster fire. It's dog-slow, unresponsive, badly organised, poorly implemented, the hardware is underpowered. My wife owns a Velar - currently maybe 10K ahead of yours - and it's got the same internals as your Sport. The software lets it down so badly, she only ever uses Apple Carplay. Even the remote app starting is patchy and doesn't work half the time. Also - you've only done 25,000 miles. If you've had an engine light already, I mean... FFS. Your car has actually been *less* reliable than hers has, in terms of core engine reliability. RRs are lovely cars, but they're only for people who want to spend a lot of cash fixing small issues all the time. Comparing that car to a diesel golf is disingenuous as well. You should be comparing like for like with - e.g. - a big luxury car... ;plus, you could apparently buy this outright, most people would need some kind of finance, so it's not £5000 odd, is it...? I get you love the car, who wouldn't, but this is 13 mins of "I love my car and I'm ignoring the inconvenient truths"... ps - glad you have a good RR dealer. We don't, they suck balls - terrible customer service, no callbacks on service requests, just awful. :-D
@@HighPeakAutos that’s a fair reply, but you said you’d rather be in that car than a diesel golf… I’m glad you love the car, but what you’re describing as mischaracterisation of range rovers does in fact have a ring of truth to it. Reliability surveys don’t lie: RRs are costly to maintain and it does lie in component failure a lot of the time, as you have experienced yourself: it’s another incorrect comparison, but a nearly new Honda doesn’t actually *need* an expensive warranty - it just works.
I think you´re completely missing the point, I live in an 18th century farm, it costs a lot more to run than an average apartment or house, things break, i`m currently spending a small fortune on upgrading the heat system, the place needs more maintaining but it´s beautiful, classy, luxurious and makes us feel good. It´s a similar thing to driving a Range Rover. I´m looking to switch from our Touareg to a supercharged L405 next year and I cannot wait. And I know there will be some issues with at along the way. @@Basexperience
With all your said, doesn’t sound very reliable to me. I get it, it’s comfortable and feels great being in it but still for a car this price the door should close in cold weather!!! But what do I know? I’m a poor peasant :(
I know that you like Range Rover a lot, mate, but saying that "I haven't been left stranded" when your driver door is not closing... That's not serious, I am sorry. Of course that you are left stranded. You needed to call emergency service to help you sort out the problem. What if you were on a motorway or out of town? Moreover, it happened twice. I am not saying that it is an unreliable car, it actually looks like the perfect car. I am saying that you are not being honest about this situation.
Hmmm . If you consider yourself stranded and call out the Emergency services because your drivers door isn’t fully closing then you have a very limited ability to resolve situations my friend …. What do you think a bungee cord is for ?just get it tied around the door handle and loop it onto something fixed … I had to do this with a Volvo XC in winter ………easy when you have some skills man ! You want to watch Matts channel through and realise how much he puts into his cars …..
I don’t think the more things you have the more you can expect to go wrong is a justification. A £100k car shouldn’t have multiple issues in a year. My Merc doesn’t, I’m not saying Mercs are reliable btw as I’ve had numerous issues with them previously. Manufacturers really need to improve quality of their products
I disagree. Land Rover, especially in the Range Rover, are pioneers in so many areas. Air suspension being case in point. I agree with HPA - there's a price that comes with a highly luxurious, highly technical, fully loaded car. The argument is no different when applied to Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, et al. Even Porsche have their problems with rear engine seals etc..... Remember, over 80% of Range Rovers ever built are still registered and on the road.
Having the engine light coming on is not ok, having this happening on a new car is not acceptable. My 10 year old 100k miles BMW X5 has never had such an issue
The soft close motor not working is a CATASTROPHIC FAILURE! These type of cars like the Full Size Range Rover are luxurious grand touring, mile munchers. You could be in a different country or a some far away place and not being able to close your door is a safety concern both if you want to drive or if you want to take shelter in the winter time. The fact that an assistance technician was close in your case is a favorable circumstance. If you were in a ski resort in your OFF ROAD SUV !!! in a village in the alps and you arrive at Friday night and it is snowing - you have to leave your door not fully closed. Since Range Rover pride themselves on off road capabilities the door SHOULD work in Siberia without a problem. This one part where the should over engineer it. I am happy you are OK but this is unacceptable.
Enjoyed your video but I'm not a fan of anything JLR, and that's based on personal experience. Their dreadful reputation for poor build quality and woeful reliability is still at the bottom of the pile. A stat they've proudly retained over 20 years. (Source JD Power) I would rather anything but a Landrover.
I own a 2018 Range Rover D300 Velar with 38,000, under warranty and it’s been in the garage 5 times in the last 6 months. Came from a BMW 4 Series Coupe, not one issue in 4 years of ownership. I’m loosing my patience with it now and thinking about selling. Toying with going back to a BMW.
Great vid, as always. But I’m confused because of logic, and this thread’s typical: there’re always many devotees and defenders of the faith saying “owned mine for 15 years - never had a problem, etc…” So, why are there also legions of disgruntled owners on FFRR forums? And why are FFRRs always bottom of the table in reliability surveys, worldwide? It’s illogical. Sure, FFRRs are complex, but so are Land Cruisers and Lexus GXs…
I have never owned a JLR car, but I have read many reliability surveys ( Warrenty Wise Extended ,ect )over the years, they always seem to be at the bottom or very near it. If you have to drive back to the dealer for anything its a pain.
Beautiful car, among the best in the world in terms of luxury, comfort and the feel-good driving experience. But let's be honest, they are terrible for reliability. You'll get better reliability and arguably equal luxury in a GLE AMG Merc or Porsche Cayenne GTS
Great cars, but NOT dependable. I’ve owned and have had 3. I like to buy and hold onto my cars. Now I just buy a seven year extended warranty and get rid of it before it ends. All started having problems from 13k - 20k miles, Fuel pump failed, ac compressor, etc. this does not include gremlins, which disappear when you show the dealer or restart. After 40k miles - it’s 4-8k a year in service and repairs - why I get rid of them before extended warranty is over. Wonderful design, very capable, but I think I’m a sucker for punishment - having said that my friends Mercedes are not great either - I suppose that’s why everybody leases.
I don’t think people think of “being left stranded” as the same as reliability causing inconveniences, image the door not closing whilst in the city or carpark as you’re there for a meeting, or an airport carpark as you’re about to take a flight, that’s a reliability issue and especially not on a vehicle with little mileage or of age… (not yours but anyone’s)
EXACTLY ! My Lexus had a CO2 sensor problem after 15 years. It needed a new alternator after 17 years. And that was it 😂 (I've subsequently bought a Lexus NX). His annual problems exceeded the cumulative problems of a 17yo Lexus. I love land rover. But this video only cemented my resolve never to buy one.
Lol my friend traded his brand new 2023 Range Rover L. It was already giving him problems with the RWS actuator causing clunky noises, stability problems, the door handles keep getting stuck and one wouldn’t come out at all. Also RWS is a very old technology and there’s a reason they stop implementing it in to cars and now that crap is coming back.
I've only had 2 cars actually let me down in the last 30+ years. Both JLR products. My 3.0 Velar stranded me in Devon with 2 passengers (one disabled). It was 18 months old. Personally, if I had this RR it would be gone by now. 3 visits in 10K miles is a pain in the arse. You're an enthusiast Matt, and absolutely nothing wrong with that. Some that are harsh on the marque are so because of experience.
JD Power - quantitative proof that Land Rover is one of the most unreliable brands you can have the misfortune to own. But yes, if you don’t mind the inconvenience of regularly sharing your car with a mechanic and paying handsomely for that pleasure, by all means buy one. Just don’t be that guy who claims Land Rovers are completely faultless because he has owned two of them and never had any problems. That’s called ‘statistical nonsense’.
To be fair profession car reviewers and insurance companies world wide all say that the RangeRover is not very reliable. It’s not just the man on the street who has never had one.
Don't get me wrong they are nice and comfortable cars, but those problems on a 100k car is unacceptable. If you want to make excuses for those inconveniences because you like it that's fine but God knows what else will be a problem down the line. I appreciate your honesty tho.
In short, he knows the Land Rover receptionist by first name. My sister had a RR 10 years ago and experienced the same issues, clearly reliability hasn’t improved. It’s still no1 most unreliable car in the UK 💀 I had a 2013 Defender, experienced a similar lock issue when it got nippy and had to climb through the boot, my window wiper motor also failed yearly and the whole dashboard had to come out to replace it. I can confidently say I’ll think twice before getting any form of Land Rover product again ☺️.
The need for a warranty does not support the argument for getting one of these cars. For that to work, your statement should be 'I paid for a warranty, but it was wasted money as it wasn't needed'
@@HighPeakAutos I remember in one of your videos you said you bought a warranty for £1000 pound or something for a year. You said the warranty more than paid for itself. That's what I was referring to. That warranty should have been a waste of money. And by that I mean it shouldn't have been needed for a luxury car, but was, on multiple occasions.
I have just switched to Mercedes after owning LR products for almost 30 years. My last full size Range finally broke it for me. The engineering is poor. The LR service is a disaster (always has been). It’s a $100K +++ car designed to last 3 years. There are no quality standards, either in manufacturing or in service. Again, that is after almost 30 years of owning LR products. Enough of giving them another chance.
@@HighPeakAutos FACT opinions are like aresholes, everyone's got one. Your video would be really interesting if you actually laid out why you thought the cat was perfect. I've had both a Landcruiser Amazon v8 and a ffrr supercharged, the range rover was better at some things, but definitely not at everything. The ffrr is not materially more complex than the Landcruiser (which has far cleverer hydropneumatic suspension for example), but did break down WAY more often. Neither left me stranded, but I never had any gremlins with the cruiser, but like many owners has them frequently with the range rover (it's favourite party trick was the dashboard intermittently dying, fixed by restarting the car....). It's a hard claim to justify that it's the best car on the world when it's consistently one if the most unreliable by all independent metrics.
@@jamespugh3729 this should’ve been your first comment and then we wouldn’t have had this little exchange. Fair enough. Each to their own. All the best.
I love RRs, and I have had two, but reliability are the very things you mention. Things they go wrong than shouldn’t. To be honest like for like, you’ll end up dropping your RR at the garage way more than your German equivalent.
I guess it is about your level of tolerance. If I had one morning where I woke up and the door on my car wouldn't work properly I would never want to see that car again. The idea that in 2023 that your car door wouldn't work but you'd say it was sufficient explanation that it was a bit of a nippy morning - no thanks. Getting a bit of WD40 and giving it a spray... Jesus. How much did you pay for this car again? You called it a 'false alarm' after you sat for 20 minutes to warm the car up and then another hour for a recovery vehicle to come and find you. I'd love to explain to my boss that me being 1 hour 20 minutes late for work was a false alarm. I think Range Rovers look incredible, and I have never driven one, but I bet I'd feel like a King if I did, but I could never accept that level of entirely predictable unreliability.
Again it’s because they’re complex. The door didn’t fault, it was the soft close motor which pulls the door in. I agree it shouldn’t fail but I’m easy going enough to just move on and get on with it
@@HighPeakAutos Fair play. I think maybe because you work in the trade you're more knowledgable and more forgiving. I'd just be sitting on my drive with a door that wouldn't close thinking, 'why did I buy this again?' Maybe part of owning an expensive car is also having the lifestyle where you can be master of your own fate, and if it takes an extra hour one morning, that is okay. Should say though - car looks amazing.
I'm sure it's a great car but at that price I would be expecting JLR to collect it on a trailer leaving me a similar or improved spec model with a full tank to use while they fixed it and returned it cleaned and polished, on a trailer.. I'd be disappointed if my car have those faults within 10,000 miles. And it has just about been to the moon already.
Big fan of yours Matt, but that's a very charitable assessment of reliability over a year with a low mileage, pampered car which had two check engine lights requiring a trip to the dealer and a door problem which essentially meant you couldn't use the car until it was fixed, twice. I'm not entirely convinced a similarly spec'ed similar age Mercedes GLS63 or BMW X5M would be less reliable than your L405.
I had a range rover sport HSE ... Needed an engine replacement after 20,000 miles... Thankfully under warranty, until the electrical issues developed... This is when I got rid of it. Now drive BMW's. Had 3 in the last 5 years, and over 150,000 miles covered. Not one issue in any of them.
@@marshmellow377 wait till it becomes 6 to 7 years old. Then its all downhill. I bought mine used with full bmw service history and only 44000 miles on it. It now has 55000 miles but had issues from rear air suspension (on this touring model) failing, radar failing and now the headlights leaking which is a common design fault that has resulted in such a shortage of headlights that it costs £1300 per headlight to replace.
@@WayToManyAssassins the headlights need to be replaced as internal components are short circuited. Each light is £650 as they are dynamic bi xenon with led drls.
Had my 2017 4.4 diesel exactly three years last week . Still under LR extended warranty and zero issues , not so much as a dust cap replaced just like my previous 2015 model. As you say Matt , best car in the world !
@@HighPeakAutos The thing you have to take into account when calculating depreciation: Inflation. While your car hasn't lost money on paper, the real value of that money has gone a lot down. Especially if you compare to the value of the stock market and real estate market.
Well I've had 7 mates over the years who've bought into Range Rovers. All have had significant issues all cases have cost them a LOT of money. Unless you can afford a new one or a very comprehensive warranty they're a serious liability that could bankrupt you very easily. I'd love one, but no way worth the risk IMO
Nice spec. Two engine lights, a drivers door wouldn’t close. 1 roadside call-out as stranded, 3 dealer drop offs, 3 pickups, 3 non scheduled days without the car, £1k without a warranty. This is low level reliability.
I drive around the country a lot. I see loads of land rovers / range rovers and their stablemates at the side of the road awaiting rescue. Lots more than any other manufacturer.
@@HighPeakAutos I am thinking of actually noting down all the broken down cars I pass. But believe me, I see more range rovers than anything else. I only have to walk 100yards up the road to count the first. My neighbours autobiography has been off the road for 3 weeks now. Lol
@@HighPeakAutos Nonsense? Facts? So what are you're outlandish facts based on?. "Best car in the world" you say. Don't you realise how ridiculous that sounds! The facts are in print, across mostly every motoring magazine in the UK. JLR ( from owner) public consensus, have been acknowledged as one of most unreliable vehicles on these shores. Gotta give you credit though. You are one hell of a snake oil salesman lol. You certainly know how to stir the pot for gaining views/ comments and profit. 👍
Great video Matt but, as tempted as I am by a Range Rover, these reports keep putting me off. Do you think your view of what’s ‘normal’ for big expensive complex cars might be being skewed by the fact that you’ve got used to driving land rovers? I’ve done nearly 30k miles in my 2019 X5 and have had no problems at all. My only opportunity to test the dealer’s coffee has been when it’s been serviced…
Look for reasons/problems and you'll find them. People love to moan when things break. We've owned our Discovery 4 for a few years now and clocked up 170k miles. Its about to hit ¼ million any day now and still going strong. Only a few niggles over the years. Not even a light on the dash as it stands today!
Funny, I've owned an L494 diesel for two years and 10,000 miles, and it's been nothing but trouble. I won't own another diesel as a result. It hasn't been expensive because I do all my own work, but the engine light is on more than it is off. There is very little information on how to repair things, because most Range Rover owners just take them to a dealer to sort out, and finding parts is tricky because of the lack of information as well. Just recently the car was a no start, and after hours of searching for the problem, I found water in the ECU, which destroyed it. I can't even imagine what that would have cost to sort at a dealership. Oh, mine's a 2017 with only 42,000 miles. Again, constant problems (clogged DPFs due to either a bad throttle or a small EVAP leak), Oxygen Sensors, bad solenoids, etc. I love the way the car drives but I'm done with the diesels.
I hear only horror stories about the unreliability of land/range rover ! I personally would not risk my money on one! It's a pity cause they look great. Apart from the very iritating advert demo, i appreciate the terrific review 👍
People just love to moan. We've put 170k on our Discovery 4 and its still going strong about to turn ¼ million miles. Few niggles in the years we've owned it but nothing that made me fall out of love with it
Land Rover Basingstoke said it’s shocking how many cars including brand new ones fail and some are off the road for several months. Even brand new range rovers are returned due to serious failures. Some brand new ones have been painted before the customer collects them due to knocks and dinks. This why they are voted the most unreliable car. But to be fair my brand new £65k Touareg broke down in the handover bay at West London VW and was beyond any repairs due to software issues, took 6 months to get my money back! It’s a fact the more complicated the car the more chance of issues.
You ask any dealer and they'll say the same, thats because the ones that break all go there. It’s confirmation bias. And new cars get hit and repaired at every dealership, whats that got to do with reliability?
@@JonnyD3ath you are correct it’s got nothing to do with reliability, however, it’s not a few cars damaged it’s a huge amount of damage and some have excessive damage add this to the appalling reliability it’s truly shocking for something so expensive, nice motor though. I wouldn’t entertain a new one
Love the channel Matt but unfortunately I can’t agree. I’ve owned four discoveries and one Range Rover sport, all have been totally sh/t and unreliable. The main dealers are utterly arrogant and think they are doing you a favour for turning up with your broken heap of sh/t that’s broken down yet again. I’ve covered more miles in the Land Rover courtesy vehicles than my own. You will obviously get far better service than most. JLR are always at the bottom of the customer satisfaction lists and more importantly the reliability rating, utter poorly built sh|t vehicles. Buy new, fine just make sure it’s offloaded before the poor three year warranty runs out. Keep up the good work though. 💪
For the price of them, I would expect them to be super reliable. I think you're seeing it from a professional viewpoint rather than from the normal buyers viewpoint. Just taking time off to go to the main dealers is a hastle. Mix that with running a business, organising family life etc, a car that has been in the garage three times in only 10,000mikes, ie once every 16 weeks is, I would have thought, considered unreliable.
You are not seeing it from a Range Rover buyer’s perspective..As Matt says, the reality is that all complex luxury cars are more likely to be unreliable..If reliability is your No1 priority don’t buy one! A Toyota whatever will be fine. Just like living on bread & potatoes is fine if you don’t want to risk anything better.
@@nikstoun9478I had a 2019 Lexus is 350 f sport brand new, tons of issues. Had it in the shop 3 Times to get the brakes fixed, the door panel leather separated and the whole door panel needed to be replaced.
It’s a gorgeous car Matt and I’m glad you went with that supercharged V8, that whine sounds phenomenal! I’ve got to say I’m impressed with the fuel economy too. I’ve had two Lexus ISF’s with the 416bhp 5.0 V8 NA and I was getting 23 round town and 28 on a run, although 30 was possible but that wasn’t any fun.
My best mate bought one 18 months old with 16k on the clock, 2 months in, engine seized, was given a bmw for 6 months whilst they wrangled over who should fix it as it was not a customer error.
Glad your year with the Range Rover has gone relatively well. As a Cheshire resident myself I must say though that it’s quite common to drive past Knutsford Range Rover and see an AA transporter outside
This reminds me of the analogy of a chap dating the most beautiful girl in the world gracious sophisticated and when she speaks sounds like Sylvester Stallone. Regarding the car 7,000 miles is hardly a long term test and considering the size of the engine some might say after a total of 24,000 miles it's just outside its running in period, yet requires the pampered attention of a mechanic 3 times albeit under warranty. I'm still researching why such a beautiful, capable, luxurious comfortable car is not a first choice as opposed to a land cruiser as a daily in remote parts of the world like the Sahara desert.
Hi Matt I’ve had my 2008 L322 for over seven years now and apart from routine servicing it’s been absolutely faultless I do think it’s how you look after them if you neglect them they are going to break down and leave you stranded but if you look after them like I have with mine it’s been faultless great video Mat and yes you are definitely correct about being the best car.................In the world as Jeremy Clarkson would put it hope you are well best wishes ian
Looking after them helps, but even if you do they are more likely to fail. The stats that produce the reliability scale that JLR spend most of their time at the bottom of are based on new vehicles.
@@dobrien757 to be fair, those diesel ingenium engines are made of chocolate. Terrible motor, Jag XE/XF’s with them are forever seeing engine failure. Bit of a scandal really. I drive an XF but it’s a 2015 model with the 3.0 V6 diesel and it’s been bulletproof. No way I’ll be going for an ingenium next.
@@liamsullivan4486 agreed! The third engine was a real struggle to get replaced under warranty. She ordered a Skoda Kodiaq Laurin and Klement. Wise move me thinks, by the way, I love those Jags, had one as a rental in Lanzarote in 2016, I hope you like it as much as I did!
Beautiful car. Especially petrol ones. And it has been designed for people who have money. And if it is to be a bit unreliable and breaks down every now and again, you can always have two so you can drive one while the other one's being fixed. I can't see any problem for people who really can afford cars like this. And if you are a guy like me and you can't really afford a car like that, there's always Fiat Panda out there somewhere on the market 😉 Brilliant video, Matt 👍.
Agreed, the more complicated the car the more moving parts etc to go wrong. Still, how come Toyota, Honda and most other makes are all statistically more reliable than the Rover?
Traded my trusted 2021 Lexus LX570 (5.7 L V8 engine) for a 2023 RR SE (3.0 I6), and couldn't be happier. I have only had the car for a few weeks now and paid $23k over MSRP, and absolutely love it. Lexus, Honda, and Toyota are reliable because they run 7-10 year cycle before complete redesigns. And simplicity in suspension, and engine designs, and tech is how they keep things reliable.
Because Toyota and Honda are not complicated vehicles. They are not performance oriented vehicle either. For example, they don't have Turbos which is a common point of failure. Toyota and Honda know their customers want reliable cheap to run and cheap to maintain vehicle to go from point A to point B and keep their vehicle for many years. Bmw, merc, Audi, range Rover and so on they know their customers don't keep their cars more than several years because they want latest techs, best performance figures and a car that is fun to drive. This is why Toyota Honda dont changes their models often, provides small incremental change over many years and eventually more reliable.
Toyotas and Hondas (both of which I like quite a bit) are not complicated cars nor are they loaded with loads of the latest tech. Luxury cars have all sorts of things that can break, but that’s the nature of the beast.
Best to judge things on first hand experience rather than my brother's friend's neighbour's dog etc. I'm 200k over 3 Range Rovers with no issues that other cars wouldn't have occasionally.
@@malcolmlane-ley2044 based on factual findings from 2 different mobile mechanics who work for the UKs leading breakdown services. I was informed that Land Rover products are the least reliable and receive the highest number of call outs. Not to mention the number I often see stranded on the hard shoulder with their come get me lights flashing ! 😂
You have 4x O2 sensors , two before the catalytic converters "Up Stream" one per bank of the V8, and two after the Cats "Downstream". The upstream are there to control engine fuelling, the downstream are primarily there to ensure the Cats are doing their job.
As an ex roadside recovery truck driver, I can say the unreliable reputation is well deserved. Not only are they unreliable they are a pain in the arse to get on the bed of a truck, especially the automatics. When they won't start, to get them in emergency neutral you have to remove the air intake box to move a leaver on the autobox and keep it in place with a screwdriver. They are fantastic when they are working, I absolutely love driving them. But they will leave you stranded when you need them most.
Buy a Land Cruiser and you'll never have a problem. If it's not available where you live, you can always import one. Don't waste your money on a RR or a German SUV.
To have 3 malfunctions within 10000m and 24000 miles total is actually a lot, but, if you feel that the car is the best car in the world and you are enjoying it.. 3 malfunctions is nothing. Keep enjoying Matt, all the best.
So you say that Range is better car than Lexus in its class,Lexus are more reliable,comftorbale,luxurius,and fast as that Range ,and say it's relible count on 24000miles is really unprofessional,couse on 100k-150k miles its show is it reliable.but its your opinion you like this brand but for most people it shows less reliable.
You have been lucky with your RR. Here is my experience and not someones third hand tale. Mine, despite carefully driven, 5 years old, 30,000 miles, with genuine JLR dealership servicing and at the correct intervals. Whilst having its MOT in the dealership, the engine seized, and the engine was written off. £23,000 to fix and took 3 months to complete the work. Had to buy a second car whilst this one was off the road (Mercedes) that cost £20,000. JLR agreed to pay a huge chunk of the bill, which was helpful. Have now got it back, and cannot wait to sell it. Will l buy another? Definitely not.
@High Peak Autos Range Rover Sport. Have to say JLR were very supportive, better than the dealership that had the car in for repair. Look, it was a lovely car to drive, and l know it now has a brand new engine, with a warranty, but l can no longer trust it.
Hi Matt. I drive a 2011 v8 diesel Range Rover . Every time we have a frost I have to open the drivers door from inside through the passengers side. For some reason when you pull the door handle from out side the components stay open stopping the catch catching when you close it or you will be driving around holding the door until it throws out.. When you pull the door handle when it’s frosty you can normally feel when it will fail. All other doors work fine, only happens on the drivers side door. Completely baffles me🤔. They are brilliant vehicles, just a money pit.
That's all well and good in the UK where there are lots of LR dealers. But in Australia they are thin on the ground, and you might have to drive hundreds or even thousands of KMs to get the car back to a dealer. I do love LRs, and I have had more than 10 Range Rovers/Discoveries/Defenders in the past, so I have a special place in my heart for these cars. I also know very well the service department of my local LR dealer, and how they can ream you. Still - I loved driving those cars. But as I get older, I've gone back to reliability and dependability and more economic motoring and in Australia, for outback driving, that means Toyota Land Cruiser or Toyota Prado.
@@MrSparklespring TBH they are not made for outback touring. Those 21" rims are the first stumbling block. You can't air them down, and they get 'pinched' in rocks and puncture. Way too complicated for long term reliability. Great if you live in one of our 10 or so big cities, but not worth much once you get into the outback and corrugations and deep sand and so on.
My boss had a Discovery 5, it had to have a new engine and was in and out of the dealer. So he bought a second hand Range Rover 3L D, he drove it out of the dealer on Friday, it broke down on Sunday, new turbo and EGR valve required. He then found out it had a new engine fitted under warranty. I cannot comment on its age, except it was covered under LR warranty.
Back in 2011 my sister-in-law ordered a brand new Discovery 4 HSE. In its first week is broke down with a major electrical fault that took Land Rover several weeks to resolve. The car was kept for 6 years covering over 80k miles and never had any problems after that first week. At the same time I ran a Lexus GS300 SE-L that was nothing but trouble.
Our Disco 4 is about to hit ¼ million miles any day now. We have put the last 170k of those miles on it and it's been great! A few niggles along the way but nothing thats ever made me fall out of love with it. Great machine!
I have a few colleagues that work at JLR, some in management some on the production line. Some stories of what goes on on the production line I cannot genuinely repeat on here, needless to say none of them own land rovers or would own one. Read into that what you will. They did say that Jags had slightly better reliability and care whilst in production. Regardless of that, one thing I can’t argue with is the styling of the Range Rover, simply the best and to this day I still have the urge to buy one.
I have had an L322, D4 and currently a D5. Apart from the normal wear and tyre items never had any issues. Yes when something does go wrong it can be expensive but that's what the warranty is for. No matter what I'll always go RR or LR cannot beat these cars!! Another great video @highpeakauto, I just love your honesty plus the fact you love a RR/LR!!
If Range Rovers aren't depreciating, will you give me £30k for the 64plate RRS I bought 2 years ago that I've done 9000 miles in? 😜 my experience is that Range Rovers have dropped rapidly in the past year, especially as many insurance companies are now massively increasing premiums or refusing to insure. Market selling as a private seller is terrible 😢
"My nans, sons, sisters, cousins kitten had a range rover very unreliable always in the garage" In all seriousness. Great car, looks classy, drives very well and everyone wants one
I know loads of people with L322 and L405’s and they range from telling me defensively that they’ve never had a problem to getting the full horror show. What’s interesting is hearing you explain away 2 sensors and a soft close not working on a 2018! I’ve had 4x 7 series full to the rafters with tech and I’ve never had any of the issues you’ve had with your Range. There is simply no excuse whatsoever for the issues those things have, none. BMW can do it so why not LR.
But then on the other side of the coin I’ve had loads of BMWs over the years with issues ranging from trivial but annoying to serious and expensive so there is no right answer really 🤷🏼♂️
I guess it’s personal experience. Don’t get me wrong I have a serious ‘want’ for a Range but the experience of my friends just puts me off every time. Im certain I’ll give in eventually.
A truly stunning motor matt sounds amazing you work hard and deserve the fruits of a fine motor so hopefully another decent 12 months motoring before you move it on for your next range rover keep the videos and updates coming matt love em 👍
The plural of anecdote is not data. (Matt) You can subjectively say you like or dislike a car. (Matt) You can objectively state whether the cars you have own have been reliable. But if you extrapolate your experience, it doesn't become fact. The (macro) reliability data is known for mass produced cars. Land Rover is supremely unreliable. This is not opinion. The fact that you owned one and has been reliable is statistically irrelevant.
@@HighPeakAutos I know, I get it - people put a lot of weight on personal experience - but they shouldn't when it comes to the truth about something that can be measured objectively on a scale that dwarfs an individual's experience. I enjoy your videos but, and its a minor point I guess, not the bits when you claim your subjective experience to be objective truth
Matt, I used to drive Glasgow to Bournemouth and back once a week for a year. On the way I’d play a game where I kept a tally of car brands broken down. Over 45,000 miles there was an undoubted trend between: 1. J Land Rovers 2. Mercedes
Had a 2008 Toyota Rav4 Diesel and drove it hard up to 153k with no engine lights ever no break downs and the most expensive thing that went wrong was a alternator £210. Never had an issue with the engine or electric's and was even on its original clutch and I don't do al lot motorway miles either . I now have a 2016 Honda CRV diesel with 75k and so far only had pads + discs and oil and filters. I would hope anything should be reliable with 24k on the clock but would you want to own it at 80k+ if so you might need very deep pockets.
@Simon P I agree. Any car of this mileage/age that's been maintained should be reliable. A true assessment of quality and reliability on a vehicle for me is when it hits at least 10 years old and has about 80-100k plus miles on the clock. Then let's see what's gone wrong! Fact is if I was spending my own cash on a car to last a long time I wouldnt be going for a RR. That's just my opinion.
My brother is senior executive at the AA so he can actually confirm they are one of the worse reliability vehicles on the road according to the rescue facts!!! (based on number of vehicles sold to breakdown ratio. so unfortunately you are mistaken about the reliability.
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You need to rethink your gauge 😂…. 10,000 miles and talking about reliability…..Seriously 😂😂😂😂😂
Rubbish on wheels, but yours is faultless of course.
If your wealthy enough to buy one, then your wealthy enough to fix/ repair one..... But they are still glorified shit heaps.
Always in JD report of unreliable cars that says it all normally top 5 worst every single year so talk what you like the report says it all
Sorry man, we have to disagree on this one. They're lovely to drive, but the software in the user-facing displays is a dumpster fire. It's dog-slow, unresponsive, badly organised, poorly implemented, the hardware is underpowered. My wife owns a Velar - currently maybe 10K ahead of yours - and it's got the same internals as your Sport. The software lets it down so badly, she only ever uses Apple Carplay. Even the remote app starting is patchy and doesn't work half the time. Also - you've only done 25,000 miles. If you've had an engine light already, I mean... FFS. Your car has actually been *less* reliable than hers has, in terms of core engine reliability. RRs are lovely cars, but they're only for people who want to spend a lot of cash fixing small issues all the time. Comparing that car to a diesel golf is disingenuous as well. You should be comparing like for like with - e.g. - a big luxury car... ;plus, you could apparently buy this outright, most people would need some kind of finance, so it's not £5000 odd, is it...? I get you love the car, who wouldn't, but this is 13 mins of "I love my car and I'm ignoring the inconvenient truths"... ps - glad you have a good RR dealer. We don't, they suck balls - terrible customer service, no callbacks on service requests, just awful. :-D
I wasn’t directly comparing the car to a diesel golf, I was just talking about my fuel spend
@@HighPeakAutos that’s a fair reply, but you said you’d rather be in that car than a diesel golf… I’m glad you love the car, but what you’re describing as mischaracterisation of range rovers does in fact have a ring of truth to it. Reliability surveys don’t lie: RRs are costly to maintain and it does lie in component failure a lot of the time, as you have experienced yourself: it’s another incorrect comparison, but a nearly new Honda doesn’t actually *need* an expensive warranty - it just works.
I think you´re completely missing the point, I live in an 18th century farm, it costs a lot more to run than an average apartment or house, things break, i`m currently spending a small fortune on upgrading the heat system, the place needs more maintaining but it´s beautiful, classy, luxurious and makes us feel good. It´s a similar thing to driving a Range Rover. I´m looking to switch from our Touareg to a supercharged L405 next year and I cannot wait. And I know there will be some issues with at along the way. @@Basexperience
10k miles is nothing! 3 times in the shop in 10k miles is horrible.
True.
Love how you belittle all the evidence of it's unreliability..😅
I have watched dozens of High Peak’s videos. What a great presenter! He should have so many more views! Love this channel!
With all your said, doesn’t sound very reliable to me. I get it, it’s comfortable and feels great being in it but still for a car this price the door should close in cold weather!!! But what do I know? I’m a poor peasant :(
I know that you like Range Rover a lot, mate, but saying that "I haven't been left stranded" when your driver door is not closing... That's not serious, I am sorry. Of course that you are left stranded. You needed to call emergency service to help you sort out the problem. What if you were on a motorway or out of town? Moreover, it happened twice. I am not saying that it is an unreliable car, it actually looks like the perfect car. I am saying that you are not being honest about this situation.
Thank you for calling out this guys biases.
Hmmm . If you consider yourself stranded and call out the Emergency services because your drivers door isn’t fully closing then you have a very limited ability to resolve situations my friend …. What do you think a bungee cord is for ?just get it tied around the door handle and loop it onto something fixed … I had to do this with a Volvo XC in winter ………easy when you have some skills man !
You want to watch Matts channel through and realise how much he puts into his cars …..
Engine light on a almost new low mileage range rover yep it's unreliable
I don’t think the more things you have the more you can expect to go wrong is a justification. A £100k car shouldn’t have multiple issues in a year. My Merc doesn’t, I’m not saying Mercs are reliable btw as I’ve had numerous issues with them previously. Manufacturers really need to improve quality of their products
I agree with you. It’s unacceptable really
I disagree. Land Rover, especially in the Range Rover, are pioneers in so many areas. Air suspension being case in point. I agree with HPA - there's a price that comes with a highly luxurious, highly technical, fully loaded car. The argument is no different when applied to Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, et al. Even Porsche have their problems with rear engine seals etc..... Remember, over 80% of Range Rovers ever built are still registered and on the road.
nice video, BUT, I'd go for for a Toyota, every time!
The trouble is the don’t make a car on par with the Range Rover
@@HighPeakAutos NOOOO, they make it better
But it’s a Toyota….. no matter how reliable , it’s still a Toyota
Having the engine light coming on is not ok, having this happening on a new car is not acceptable. My 10 year old 100k miles BMW X5 has never had such an issue
How does your X5 drive compared to the range rover?
@@aaron___6014Range Rover and jaguar easy to break down because I own Range Rover and I know
The soft close motor not working is a CATASTROPHIC FAILURE!
These type of cars like the Full Size Range Rover are luxurious grand touring, mile munchers.
You could be in a different country or a some far away place and not being able to close your door is a safety concern both if you want to drive or if you want to take shelter in the winter time.
The fact that an assistance technician was close in your case is a favorable circumstance.
If you were in a ski resort in your OFF ROAD SUV !!! in a village in the alps and you arrive at Friday night and it is snowing - you have to leave your door not fully closed.
Since Range Rover pride themselves on off road capabilities the door SHOULD work in Siberia without a problem.
This one part where the should over engineer it.
I am happy you are OK but this is unacceptable.
So it did leave you stranded. The door wouldn’t close so you couldn’t drive away?
I didn’t mention in the video but I have a spare Range Rover for such an occasion
In fairness I had an X5 did that constantly when it was cold. Open door get in and try to shut the thing……Nope, wait till spring!
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I've had two Range Rovers. They were both shit. I now drive a Lexus😃
I’m going to allow the excuses for the RR niggles. Not sure there are any valid excuses for the ripped jeans?
90% of all landfovers are still on the road,,,,,,,,,The other 10% made it home
I'm in the market for a new car and every time I go towards a range rover I end up going towards a landcruiser amazon.
Enjoyed your video but I'm not a fan of anything JLR, and that's based on personal experience.
Their dreadful reputation for poor build quality and woeful reliability is still at the bottom of the pile.
A stat they've proudly retained over 20 years. (Source JD Power)
I would rather anything but a Landrover.
I own a 2018 Range Rover D300 Velar with 38,000, under warranty and it’s been in the garage 5 times in the last 6 months.
Came from a BMW 4 Series Coupe, not one issue in 4 years of ownership.
I’m loosing my patience with it now and thinking about selling.
Toying with going back to a BMW.
I've heard some absolute horror stories on this model, I would not even consider one.
Interesting…Now go watch a Toyota Aygo review…
Great vid, as always.
But I’m confused because of logic, and this thread’s typical: there’re always many devotees and defenders of the faith saying “owned mine for 15 years - never had a problem, etc…”
So, why are there also legions of disgruntled owners on FFRR forums?
And why are FFRRs always bottom of the table in reliability surveys, worldwide?
It’s illogical.
Sure, FFRRs are complex, but so are Land Cruisers and Lexus GXs…
I have never owned a JLR car, but I have read many reliability surveys ( Warrenty Wise Extended ,ect )over the years, they always seem to be at the bottom or very near it. If you have to drive back to the dealer for anything its a pain.
Beautiful car, among the best in the world in terms of luxury, comfort and the feel-good driving experience. But let's be honest, they are terrible for reliability. You'll get better reliability and arguably equal luxury in a GLE AMG Merc or Porsche Cayenne GTS
Shouldn't have mentioned GLE as a reliable car. Those are poor build quality.
Great cars, but NOT dependable. I’ve owned and have had 3. I like to buy and hold onto my cars. Now I just buy a seven year extended warranty and get rid of it before it ends. All started having problems from 13k - 20k miles, Fuel pump failed, ac compressor, etc. this does not include gremlins, which disappear when you show the dealer or restart. After 40k miles - it’s 4-8k a year in service and repairs - why I get rid of them before extended warranty is over. Wonderful design, very capable, but I think I’m a sucker for punishment - having said that my friends Mercedes are not great either - I suppose that’s why everybody leases.
I don’t think people think of “being left stranded” as the same as reliability causing inconveniences, image the door not closing whilst in the city or carpark as you’re there for a meeting, or an airport carpark as you’re about to take a flight, that’s a reliability issue and especially not on a vehicle with little mileage or of age… (not yours but anyone’s)
Thanks...
well it happens with my VW Passat too. That's common failure over all manufacturers when it's freezing
@@v12-s65
Mozel Tav…. Then buy Japanese’s or Korean, not VAG..!
EXACTLY !
My Lexus had a CO2 sensor problem after 15 years.
It needed a new alternator after 17 years.
And that was it 😂 (I've subsequently bought a Lexus NX).
His annual problems exceeded the cumulative problems of a 17yo Lexus.
I love land rover. But this video only cemented my resolve never to buy one.
It's a posh, oversized status car. Noghting exciting there.
Wow, bet you’re a fun guy at parties
Have you driven a car powered by that engine? If not you have no idea how good they are
Ripped-knee jeans? Really?
Do we have to start a fundraiser for you to buy new trousers? 😂😉
Lol.
Lol my friend traded his brand new 2023 Range Rover L. It was already giving him problems with the RWS actuator causing clunky noises, stability problems, the door handles keep getting stuck and one wouldn’t come out at all. Also RWS is a very old technology and there’s a reason they stop implementing it in to cars and now that crap is coming back.
I've only had 2 cars actually let me down in the last 30+ years. Both JLR products. My 3.0 Velar stranded me in Devon with 2 passengers (one disabled). It was 18 months old. Personally, if I had this RR it would be gone by now. 3 visits in 10K miles is a pain in the arse. You're an enthusiast Matt, and absolutely nothing wrong with that. Some that are harsh on the marque are so because of experience.
If I spent 70k odd on a car I would be pissed off if ANYTHING went wrong with it in the first year of owning it. Ridiculous.
Ok simon
@@rapidvtec OK doke
Buy one that is a good example or new. The problems will not be yours
It isn't 1 year old.
Tell me youve never owned a brand new car without telling me
Make a reliability test after 100k miles 😅 . The result will be completely different
Imagine replacing the air suspension or supercharger on this thing 😬
@@WayToManyAssassinsair suspension is pretty basic and easy to replace actually. Just sounds fancy!
Go out in the outback in one come back in a landcruiser😊
JD Power - quantitative proof that Land Rover is one of the most unreliable brands you can have the misfortune to own. But yes, if you don’t mind the inconvenience of regularly sharing your car with a mechanic and paying handsomely for that pleasure, by all means buy one.
Just don’t be that guy who claims Land Rovers are completely faultless because he has owned two of them and never had any problems. That’s called ‘statistical nonsense’.
He's owned way more than two, though...
To be fair profession car reviewers and insurance companies world wide all say that the RangeRover is not very reliable. It’s not just the man on the street who has never had one.
Don't get me wrong they are nice and comfortable cars, but those problems on a 100k car is unacceptable. If you want to make excuses for those inconveniences because you like it that's fine but God knows what else will be a problem down the line. I appreciate your honesty tho.
In short, he knows the Land Rover receptionist by first name.
My sister had a RR 10 years ago and experienced the same issues, clearly reliability hasn’t improved. It’s still no1 most unreliable car in the UK 💀
I had a 2013 Defender, experienced a similar lock issue when it got nippy and had to climb through the boot, my window wiper motor also failed yearly and the whole dashboard had to come out to replace it. I can confidently say I’ll think twice before getting any form of Land Rover product again ☺️.
I suspect that level of reliability is simply unacceptable to anyone with less job/time flexibility than you enjoy.
The only good land Rover is the one that had a Toyota land cruiser POWERTRAIN swapped
My Disco 4 with ¼ million miles on the original engine/box would like to talk to you lol
The need for a warranty does not support the argument for getting one of these cars. For that to work, your statement should be 'I paid for a warranty, but it was wasted money as it wasn't needed'
I didnt pay for a warranty. I bought it from LR and it came with a warranty FOC
@@HighPeakAutos I remember in one of your videos you said you bought a warranty for £1000 pound or something for a year. You said the warranty more than paid for itself. That's what I was referring to. That warranty should have been a waste of money. And by that I mean it shouldn't have been needed for a luxury car, but was, on multiple occasions.
I have just switched to Mercedes after owning LR products for almost 30 years. My last full size Range finally broke it for me. The engineering is poor. The LR service is a disaster (always has been). It’s a $100K +++ car designed to last 3 years. There are no quality standards, either in manufacturing or in service. Again, that is after almost 30 years of owning LR products. Enough of giving them another chance.
@Ricky Anthony I am stupidly vain. Driving an LR used to convey an image. Sometimes that image can kill your brain cells.
The most recent Landcruiser Amazon is at least as complex as the range rover, but doesn't break down.
Yeah but it’s not as good. Fact
@@HighPeakAutos well Chris Harris doesn't agree with you.... FACT
@@jamespugh3729 ah yes, Chris Harris. The font of all knowledge. So it wasn’t even your own opinion or experience? It was Chris Harris’s? 😂😂😂
@@HighPeakAutos FACT opinions are like aresholes, everyone's got one. Your video would be really interesting if you actually laid out why you thought the cat was perfect. I've had both a Landcruiser Amazon v8 and a ffrr supercharged, the range rover was better at some things, but definitely not at everything. The ffrr is not materially more complex than the Landcruiser (which has far cleverer hydropneumatic suspension for example), but did break down WAY more often. Neither left me stranded, but I never had any gremlins with the cruiser, but like many owners has them frequently with the range rover (it's favourite party trick was the dashboard intermittently dying, fixed by restarting the car....). It's a hard claim to justify that it's the best car on the world when it's consistently one if the most unreliable by all independent metrics.
@@jamespugh3729 this should’ve been your first comment and then we wouldn’t have had this little exchange. Fair enough. Each to their own. All the best.
I love RRs, and I have had two, but reliability are the very things you mention. Things they go wrong than shouldn’t. To be honest like for like, you’ll end up dropping your RR at the garage way more than your German equivalent.
I guess it is about your level of tolerance. If I had one morning where I woke up and the door on my car wouldn't work properly I would never want to see that car again. The idea that in 2023 that your car door wouldn't work but you'd say it was sufficient explanation that it was a bit of a nippy morning - no thanks. Getting a bit of WD40 and giving it a spray... Jesus. How much did you pay for this car again? You called it a 'false alarm' after you sat for 20 minutes to warm the car up and then another hour for a recovery vehicle to come and find you. I'd love to explain to my boss that me being 1 hour 20 minutes late for work was a false alarm. I think Range Rovers look incredible, and I have never driven one, but I bet I'd feel like a King if I did, but I could never accept that level of entirely predictable unreliability.
Again it’s because they’re complex. The door didn’t fault, it was the soft close motor which pulls the door in. I agree it shouldn’t fail but I’m easy going enough to just move on and get on with it
@@HighPeakAutos Fair play. I think maybe because you work in the trade you're more knowledgable and more forgiving. I'd just be sitting on my drive with a door that wouldn't close thinking, 'why did I buy this again?' Maybe part of owning an expensive car is also having the lifestyle where you can be master of your own fate, and if it takes an extra hour one morning, that is okay. Should say though - car looks amazing.
@@Jerichocassini yeah that’s true. Because I do this as a job I’m used to things breaking so maybe I don’t get so worked up about it
I'm sure it's a great car but at that price I would be expecting JLR to collect it on a trailer leaving me a similar or improved spec model with a full tank to use while they fixed it and returned it cleaned and polished, on a trailer.. I'd be disappointed if my car have those faults within 10,000 miles. And it has just about been to the moon already.
My fact not statement is that the
LEXUS LS430 is the BEST car in the world and it has that reputation
😂 a toyota? Enjoy it sir, enjoy it. Leave the expensive, temperamental toys for those with deep pockets for toys
Big fan of yours Matt, but that's a very charitable assessment of reliability over a year with a low mileage, pampered car which had two check engine lights requiring a trip to the dealer and a door problem which essentially meant you couldn't use the car until it was fixed, twice. I'm not entirely convinced a similarly spec'ed similar age Mercedes GLS63 or BMW X5M would be less reliable than your L405.
The most reliable LR is a Toyota 4 runner!
I had a range rover sport HSE ... Needed an engine replacement after 20,000 miles... Thankfully under warranty, until the electrical issues developed... This is when I got rid of it.
Now drive BMW's. Had 3 in the last 5 years, and over 150,000 miles covered. Not one issue in any of them.
I have had a BMW 5 series for 3 years and there have been significant issues every year.. the latest is leaky headlights… cost is £2600 to replace…
@@jay_b.. my current 5 series is 2018, and so far no issues (48,000 miles)
@@marshmellow377 wait till it becomes 6 to 7 years old. Then its all downhill. I bought mine used with full bmw service history and only 44000 miles on it. It now has 55000 miles but had issues from rear air suspension (on this touring model) failing, radar failing and now the headlights leaking which is a common design fault that has resulted in such a shortage of headlights that it costs £1300 per headlight to replace.
@Jay B why would you ever pay that much to fix a leak.
@@WayToManyAssassins the headlights need to be replaced as internal components are short circuited. Each light is £650 as they are dynamic bi xenon with led drls.
Had my 2017 4.4 diesel exactly three years last week . Still under LR extended warranty and zero issues , not so much as a dust cap replaced just like my previous 2015 model. As you say Matt , best car in the world !
Very nice
@@HighPeakAutos The thing you have to take into account when calculating depreciation: Inflation. While your car hasn't lost money on paper, the real value of that money has gone a lot down. Especially if you compare to the value of the stock market and real estate market.
If you can afford to buy and run a vehicle like this you don´t worry about things like that@@jimj2683
@@jimj2683well thats the same for every car. Thats not depreciation, that's inflation - completely different subjects
187k miles on my 4.4 SDV8 FFRR. One of the most reliable cars I've ever had.
Well I've had 7 mates over the years who've bought into Range Rovers. All have had significant issues all cases have cost them a LOT of money.
Unless you can afford a new one or a very comprehensive warranty they're a serious liability that could bankrupt you very easily.
I'd love one, but no way worth the risk IMO
Nice spec. Two engine lights, a drivers door wouldn’t close. 1 roadside call-out as stranded, 3 dealer drop offs, 3 pickups, 3 non scheduled days without the car, £1k without a warranty. This is low level reliability.
And saying FACT, doesn't actually make something a fact.... It just sounds silly....
I drive around the country a lot. I see loads of land rovers / range rovers and their stablemates at the side of the road awaiting rescue. Lots more than any other manufacturer.
That’s the sort of nonsense I’m talking about hearing - where are the facts?
@@HighPeakAutos I am thinking of actually noting down all the broken down cars I pass. But believe me, I see more range rovers than anything else. I only have to walk 100yards up the road to count the first. My neighbours autobiography has been off the road for 3 weeks now. Lol
@@HighPeakAutos Nonsense? Facts? So what are you're outlandish facts based on?. "Best car in the world" you say. Don't you realise how ridiculous that sounds!
The facts are in print, across mostly every motoring magazine in the UK.
JLR ( from owner) public consensus, have been acknowledged as one of most unreliable vehicles on these shores. Gotta give you credit though. You are one hell of a snake oil salesman lol. You certainly know how to stir the pot for gaining views/ comments and profit. 👍
Great video Matt but, as tempted as I am by a Range Rover, these reports keep putting me off. Do you think your view of what’s ‘normal’ for big expensive complex cars might be being skewed by the fact that you’ve got used to driving land rovers? I’ve done nearly 30k miles in my 2019 X5 and have had no problems at all. My only opportunity to test the dealer’s coffee has been when it’s been serviced…
Look for reasons/problems and you'll find them. People love to moan when things break. We've owned our Discovery 4 for a few years now and clocked up 170k miles. Its about to hit ¼ million any day now and still going strong. Only a few niggles over the years. Not even a light on the dash as it stands today!
Funny, I've owned an L494 diesel for two years and 10,000 miles, and it's been nothing but trouble. I won't own another diesel as a result. It hasn't been expensive because I do all my own work, but the engine light is on more than it is off. There is very little information on how to repair things, because most Range Rover owners just take them to a dealer to sort out, and finding parts is tricky because of the lack of information as well. Just recently the car was a no start, and after hours of searching for the problem, I found water in the ECU, which destroyed it. I can't even imagine what that would have cost to sort at a dealership. Oh, mine's a 2017 with only 42,000 miles. Again, constant problems (clogged DPFs due to either a bad throttle or a small EVAP leak), Oxygen Sensors, bad solenoids, etc. I love the way the car drives but I'm done with the diesels.
I hear only horror stories about the unreliability of land/range rover ! I personally would not risk my money on one! It's a pity cause they look great. Apart from the very iritating advert demo, i appreciate the terrific review 👍
People just love to moan. We've put 170k on our Discovery 4 and its still going strong about to turn ¼ million miles. Few niggles in the years we've owned it but nothing that made me fall out of love with it
Land Rover Basingstoke said it’s shocking how many cars including brand new ones fail and some are off the road for several months. Even brand new range rovers are returned due to serious failures. Some brand new ones have been painted before the customer collects them due to knocks and dinks. This why they are voted the most unreliable car. But to be fair my brand new £65k Touareg broke down in the handover bay at West London VW and was beyond any repairs due to software issues, took 6 months to get my money back! It’s a fact the more complicated the car the more chance of issues.
You ask any dealer and they'll say the same, thats because the ones that break all go there. It’s confirmation bias.
And new cars get hit and repaired at every dealership, whats that got to do with reliability?
@@JonnyD3ath you are correct it’s got nothing to do with reliability, however, it’s not a few cars damaged it’s a huge amount of damage and some have excessive damage add this to the appalling reliability it’s truly shocking for something so expensive, nice motor though. I wouldn’t entertain a new one
The ripped jeans need to go...
😂
I think they are horrible cars. Nothing but trouble. Fact.
I like how you matched the colour of the wood to your hair.
Blonde?
@@HighPeakAutos Try Ginger 😉
The jeans would be better suited to the Sport….
Love the channel Matt but unfortunately I can’t agree. I’ve owned four discoveries and one Range Rover sport, all have been totally sh/t and unreliable. The main dealers are utterly arrogant and think they are doing you a favour for turning up with your broken heap of sh/t that’s broken down yet again. I’ve covered more miles in the Land Rover courtesy vehicles than my own.
You will obviously get far better service than most.
JLR are always at the bottom of the customer satisfaction lists and more importantly the reliability rating, utter poorly built sh|t vehicles.
Buy new, fine just make sure it’s offloaded before the poor three year warranty runs out.
Keep up the good work though. 💪
I feel like you’re dating super model who’s a right cow and you’re saying she’s ok really!!!
For the price of them, I would expect them to be super reliable. I think you're seeing it from a professional viewpoint rather than from the normal buyers viewpoint. Just taking time off to go to the main dealers is a hastle. Mix that with running a business, organising family life etc, a car that has been in the garage three times in only 10,000mikes, ie once every 16 weeks is, I would have thought, considered unreliable.
You are not seeing it from a Range Rover buyer’s perspective..As Matt says, the reality is that all complex luxury cars are more likely to be unreliable..If reliability is your No1 priority don’t buy one! A Toyota whatever will be fine. Just like living on bread & potatoes is fine if you don’t want to risk anything better.
@@brownfamily67go buy a Lexus suv equivalent to this vehicle and do the same reliability test on 24k miles and compare with the range rover.
@@nikstoun9478I had a 2019 Lexus is 350 f sport brand new, tons of issues. Had it in the shop 3 Times to get the brakes fixed, the door panel leather separated and the whole door panel needed to be replaced.
but they are dull as dishwater@@nikstoun9478
It’s a gorgeous car Matt and I’m glad you went with that supercharged V8, that whine sounds phenomenal! I’ve got to say I’m impressed with the fuel economy too. I’ve had two Lexus ISF’s with the 416bhp 5.0 V8 NA and I was getting 23 round town and 28 on a run, although 30 was possible but that wasn’t any fun.
Couldn't agree more!
I drive conservatively and my 2014 L405 V8SC only gets 16mpg/avg
@@hagakuru imperial gallons or US Gallons
@@HighPeakAutos That would be US
@@hagakuru ah ok. An imperial gallon is bigger so naturally you’ll get more miles from each one
My best mate bought one 18 months old with 16k on the clock, 2 months in, engine seized, was given a bmw for 6 months whilst they wrangled over who should fix it as it was not a customer error.
Glad your year with the Range Rover has gone relatively well. As a Cheshire resident myself I must say though that it’s quite common to drive past Knutsford Range Rover and see an AA transporter outside
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This reminds me of the analogy of a chap dating the most beautiful girl in the world gracious sophisticated and when she speaks sounds like Sylvester Stallone. Regarding the car 7,000 miles is hardly a long term test and considering the size of the engine some might say after a total of 24,000 miles it's just outside its running in period, yet requires the pampered attention of a mechanic 3 times albeit under warranty. I'm still researching why such a beautiful, capable, luxurious comfortable car is not a first choice as opposed to a land cruiser as a daily in remote parts of the world like the Sahara desert.
Hi Matt I’ve had my 2008 L322 for over seven years now and apart from routine servicing it’s been absolutely faultless I do think it’s how you look after them if you neglect them they are going to break down and leave you stranded but if you look after them like I have with mine it’s been faultless great video Mat and yes you are definitely correct about being the best car.................In the world as Jeremy Clarkson would put it hope you are well best wishes ian
What engine does it have?
Looking after them helps, but even if you do they are more likely to fail. The stats that produce the reliability scale that JLR spend most of their time at the bottom of are based on new vehicles.
My aunt serviced her 2.0 diesel ingenium discovery 68 plate every 6k miles, now on 72k and on it's THIRD engine...
@@dobrien757 to be fair, those diesel ingenium engines are made of chocolate. Terrible motor, Jag XE/XF’s with them are forever seeing engine failure. Bit of a scandal really. I drive an XF but it’s a 2015 model with the 3.0 V6 diesel and it’s been bulletproof. No way I’ll be going for an ingenium next.
@@liamsullivan4486 agreed! The third engine was a real struggle to get replaced under warranty. She ordered a Skoda Kodiaq Laurin and Klement. Wise move me thinks, by the way, I love those Jags, had one as a rental in Lanzarote in 2016, I hope you like it as much as I did!
If it was that reliable you'd be able to buy new jeans 👖 matt 😆 🤣 😂
A Green Flag break down guy, without any hesitation exclaimed that the most break downs he has attended was Land Rovers or similar.
Jealous breakdown guy earning fuck all driving a banger.
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And what car do you drive to make that conversation possible 😂
What did he mean by similar, any big 4x4?
@@user-fn1rb9ze6p could be a simple question.. what cars do you see a lot of call outs for?
Beautiful car. Especially petrol ones. And it has been designed for people who have money. And if it is to be a bit unreliable and breaks down every now and again, you can always have two so you can drive one while the other one's being fixed. I can't see any problem for people who really can afford cars like this. And if you are a guy like me and you can't really afford a car like that, there's always Fiat Panda out there somewhere on the market 😉 Brilliant video, Matt 👍.
Like John Prescott with his Jags 😂
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Agreed, the more complicated the car the more moving parts etc to go wrong. Still, how come Toyota, Honda and most other makes are all statistically more reliable than the Rover?
Interesting point
Because. They. Have. Nothing. In. Them.
Traded my trusted 2021 Lexus LX570 (5.7 L V8 engine) for a 2023 RR SE (3.0 I6), and couldn't be happier. I have only had the car for a few weeks now and paid $23k over MSRP, and absolutely love it. Lexus, Honda, and Toyota are reliable because they run 7-10 year cycle before complete redesigns. And simplicity in suspension, and engine designs, and tech is how they keep things reliable.
Because Toyota and Honda are not complicated vehicles. They are not performance oriented vehicle either. For example, they don't have Turbos which is a common point of failure.
Toyota and Honda know their customers want reliable cheap to run and cheap to maintain vehicle to go from point A to point B and keep their vehicle for many years. Bmw, merc, Audi, range Rover and so on they know their customers don't keep their cars more than several years because they want latest techs, best performance figures and a car that is fun to drive.
This is why Toyota Honda dont changes their models often, provides small incremental change over many years and eventually more reliable.
Toyotas and Hondas (both of which I like quite a bit) are not complicated cars nor are they loaded with loads of the latest tech. Luxury cars have all sorts of things that can break, but that’s the nature of the beast.
Before I even watch this im going to say it’s probably about as reliable as boris Johnson 😂
Best to judge things on first hand experience rather than my brother's friend's neighbour's dog etc. I'm 200k over 3 Range Rovers with no issues that other cars wouldn't have occasionally.
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@@malcolmlane-ley2044 based on factual findings from 2 different mobile mechanics who work for the UKs leading breakdown services. I was informed that Land Rover products are the least reliable and receive the highest number of call outs. Not to mention the number I often see stranded on the hard shoulder with their come get me lights flashing ! 😂
Or his father Geppetto 😂
You have 4x O2 sensors , two before the catalytic converters "Up Stream" one per bank of the V8, and two after the Cats "Downstream". The upstream are there to control engine fuelling, the downstream are primarily there to ensure the Cats are doing their job.
The fact that you are talking about it's reliability after just 24000 miles is proof enough of JLR's quality.
It's all anyone asks you when you own a LR followed by laughing to make themselves feel better.
As an ex roadside recovery truck driver, I can say the unreliable reputation is well deserved.
Not only are they unreliable they are a pain in the arse to get on the bed of a truck, especially the automatics. When they won't start, to get them in emergency neutral you have to remove the air intake box to move a leaver on the autobox and keep it in place with a screwdriver.
They are fantastic when they are working, I absolutely love driving them. But they will leave you stranded when you need them most.
Oh&some!! You can hotwire them from under the hood my x5 same problem
Honestly...does any other luxury 100k car keep breaking down like this after 5 years? I own a landrover disco...but not for long.
Buy a Land Cruiser and you'll never have a problem. If it's not available where you live, you can always import one. Don't waste your money on a RR or a German SUV.
To have 3 malfunctions within 10000m and 24000 miles total is actually a lot, but, if you feel that the car is the best car in the world and you are enjoying it.. 3 malfunctions is nothing. Keep enjoying Matt, all the best.
3 too many
@@paulmcgee1867 he was just lucky
So you say that Range is better car than Lexus in its class,Lexus are more reliable,comftorbale,luxurius,and fast as that Range ,and say it's relible count on 24000miles is really unprofessional,couse on 100k-150k miles its show is it reliable.but its your opinion you like this brand but for most people it shows less reliable.
Horses for courses really. I love Lexus but they’re not the same
You have been lucky with your RR. Here is my experience and not someones third hand tale. Mine, despite carefully driven, 5 years old, 30,000 miles, with genuine JLR dealership servicing and at the correct intervals. Whilst having its MOT in the dealership, the engine seized, and the engine was written off. £23,000 to fix and took 3 months to complete the work. Had to buy a second car whilst this one was off the road (Mercedes) that cost £20,000. JLR agreed to pay a huge chunk of the bill, which was helpful. Have now got it back, and cannot wait to sell it. Will l buy another? Definitely not.
Oh wow. Which model?
@High Peak Autos Range Rover Sport. Have to say JLR were very supportive, better than the dealership that had the car in for repair. Look, it was a lovely car to drive, and l know it now has a brand new engine, with a warranty, but l can no longer trust it.
@@davidmartin6265 no I wouldn’t trust it now either. Which engine?
@High Peak Autos 3 litre TD. The whole engine went, together with the twin turbos.
@@davidmartin6265 that’s shocking. SdV6?
Hi Matt. I drive a 2011 v8 diesel Range Rover . Every time we have a frost I have to open the drivers door from inside through the passengers side. For some reason when you pull the door handle from out side the components stay open stopping the catch catching when you close it or you will be driving around holding the door until it throws out.. When you pull the door handle when it’s frosty you can normally feel when it will fail. All other doors work fine, only happens on the drivers side door. Completely baffles me🤔. They are brilliant vehicles, just a money pit.
That's all well and good in the UK where there are lots of LR dealers. But in Australia they are thin on the ground, and you might have to drive hundreds or even thousands of KMs to get the car back to a dealer. I do love LRs, and I have had more than 10 Range Rovers/Discoveries/Defenders in the past, so I have a special place in my heart for these cars. I also know very well the service department of my local LR dealer, and how they can ream you. Still - I loved driving those cars. But as I get older, I've gone back to reliability and dependability and more economic motoring and in Australia, for outback driving, that means Toyota Land Cruiser or Toyota Prado.
Wise decision man. I wouldn't trust a range rover in the outback either. Lol.
@@MrSparklespring TBH they are not made for outback touring. Those 21" rims are the first stumbling block. You can't air them down, and they get 'pinched' in rocks and puncture. Way too complicated for long term reliability. Great if you live in one of our 10 or so big cities, but not worth much once you get into the outback and corrugations and deep sand and so on.
My boss had a Discovery 5, it had to have a new engine and was in and out of the dealer. So he bought a second hand Range Rover 3L D, he drove it out of the dealer on Friday, it broke down on Sunday, new turbo and EGR valve required. He then found out it had a new engine fitted under warranty. I cannot comment on its age, except it was covered under LR warranty.
Back in 2011 my sister-in-law ordered a brand new Discovery 4 HSE. In its first week is broke down with a major electrical fault that took Land Rover several weeks to resolve. The car was kept for 6 years covering over 80k miles and never had any problems after that first week. At the same time I ran a Lexus GS300 SE-L that was nothing but trouble.
Our Disco 4 is about to hit ¼ million miles any day now. We have put the last 170k of those miles on it and it's been great!
A few niggles along the way but nothing thats ever made me fall out of love with it. Great machine!
I have a few colleagues that work at JLR, some in management some on the production line. Some stories of what goes on on the production line I cannot genuinely repeat on here, needless to say none of them own land rovers or would own one. Read into that what you will. They did say that Jags had slightly better reliability and care whilst in production. Regardless of that, one thing I can’t argue with is the styling of the Range Rover, simply the best and to this day I still have the urge to buy one.
I have had an L322, D4 and currently a D5. Apart from the normal wear and tyre items never had any issues. Yes when something does go wrong it can be expensive but that's what the warranty is for. No matter what I'll always go RR or LR cannot beat these cars!! Another great video @highpeakauto, I just love your honesty plus the fact you love a RR/LR!!
Thanks!
If Range Rovers aren't depreciating, will you give me £30k for the 64plate RRS I bought 2 years ago that I've done 9000 miles in? 😜 my experience is that Range Rovers have dropped rapidly in the past year, especially as many insurance companies are now massively increasing premiums or refusing to insure. Market selling as a private seller is terrible 😢
"My nans, sons, sisters, cousins kitten had a range rover very unreliable always in the garage"
In all seriousness. Great car, looks classy, drives very well and everyone wants one
I know loads of people with L322 and L405’s and they range from telling me defensively that they’ve never had a problem to getting the full horror show. What’s interesting is hearing you explain away 2 sensors and a soft close not working on a 2018! I’ve had 4x 7 series full to the rafters with tech and I’ve never had any of the issues you’ve had with your Range. There is simply no excuse whatsoever for the issues those things have, none. BMW can do it so why not LR.
But then on the other side of the coin I’ve had loads of BMWs over the years with issues ranging from trivial but annoying to serious and expensive so there is no right answer really 🤷🏼♂️
I guess it’s personal experience. Don’t get me wrong I have a serious ‘want’ for a Range but the experience of my friends just puts me off every time. Im certain I’ll give in eventually.
A truly stunning motor matt sounds amazing you work hard and deserve the fruits of a fine motor so hopefully another decent 12 months motoring before you move it on for your next range rover keep the videos and updates coming matt love em 👍
The plural of anecdote is not data. (Matt) You can subjectively say you like or dislike a car. (Matt) You can objectively state whether the cars you have own have been reliable. But if you extrapolate your experience, it doesn't become fact. The (macro) reliability data is known for mass produced cars. Land Rover is supremely unreliable. This is not opinion. The fact that you owned one and has been reliable is statistically irrelevant.
It’s relevant to me if that’s been my experience with every one I’ve owned
@@HighPeakAutos I know, I get it - people put a lot of weight on personal experience - but they shouldn't when it comes to the truth about something that can be measured objectively on a scale that dwarfs an individual's experience. I enjoy your videos but, and its a minor point I guess, not the bits when you claim your subjective experience to be objective truth
Matt, I used to drive Glasgow to Bournemouth and back once a week for a year. On the way I’d play a game where I kept a tally of car brands broken down. Over 45,000 miles there was an undoubted trend between:
1. J Land Rovers
2. Mercedes
Never seen the attraction. Still, it is big. And white.
Had a 2008 Toyota Rav4 Diesel and drove it hard up to 153k with no engine lights ever no break downs and the most expensive thing that went wrong was a alternator £210. Never had an issue with the engine or electric's and was even on its original clutch and I don't do al lot motorway miles either . I now have a 2016 Honda CRV diesel with 75k and so far only had pads + discs and oil and filters. I would hope anything should be reliable with 24k on the clock but would you want to own it at 80k+ if so you might need very deep pockets.
I did 100k in a 4.4D with no problems because I maintained it properly. Don't get a lift in one or you'll know what you're missing.
@Simon P I agree. Any car of this mileage/age that's been maintained should be reliable. A true assessment of quality and reliability on a vehicle for me is when it hits at least 10 years old and has about 80-100k plus miles on the clock. Then let's see what's gone wrong! Fact is if I was spending my own cash on a car to last a long time I wouldnt be going for a RR. That's just my opinion.
My brother is senior executive at the AA so he can actually confirm they are one of the worse reliability vehicles on the road according to the rescue facts!!! (based on number of vehicles sold to breakdown ratio. so unfortunately you are mistaken about the reliability.
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