I hate OW2 but to say OW1 in its infancy was better than Rivals is not an outlandish take. Everyone has their own opinion and sure we’re scorned from blizzard but peak OW was just as fun as we’re having rn. I am not a shill I haven’t played OW in almost a year don’t you start lol
@ I agree. Overwatch 1 at its peak was probably better than marvel rivals is at the moment. The thing is overwatch 1 doesn’t exist and the overwatch we have now is nowhere near as good as marvel rivals so to still say that overwatch is the better game is just a massive cope and objectively wrong
The more i listen to Shroud speak, the more i realize that his gun skill doesn't transfer to his opinion or hot takes. The overwatch he is describing hasn't been a thing since 2018. If a game and its company constantly spit in the face and betray its fanbase on a regular basis, can you really call it a GOAT.
OW cooked itself. That isn’t the shining standard to beat this type of game anymore. I think Rivals was a slightly more hyped game than OW ever was. It will either replace it as the main game in this genre, or it will fade out like The Finals. (Which is still a great supported game but referring to launch popularity). I can see this game having a scene for a little bit if the devs keep up the support.
@@thegamerupdateif you like smite give predecessor a try. SO MUCH POTENTIAL and already a very pretty game to look at just needs some attention from someone with an audience to grow.
Marvel arrivals ain’t catering to nobody with their skins. They are all comic accurate costumes. They just have a great game with a huge franchise behind it.
Lmao shroud was saying MR was better when he was he winning but the moment he get hard stuck all of the sudden the matchmaking is bad. Bro is 3-6 stacking every stream and yet hes still hard stuck
Fun fact: in the game if u wanna quit so many times, u cant...u will be penalized for quitting out the game so much. That's what COD doesn't have. I was playing wit randoms & the talk was about people quitting in mid game matches. "Why doesn't COD penalize people for quitting?" .. good answer but they haven't done it yet.
I think that currently Marvel Rivals does everything right, it launched with 33 character and by the end of season 1 we'll have 37 characters, they're not afraid to make attractive charactrs because they know it sells, they make the characters' gameplay match their comic book counterpart, they show you the actual stats of characters (play rate and win rate across all ranks and both on pc and console) and they make great balance changes. So yes these devs are very aware of what the community wants and while I am sure the game's popularity will wane down a bit (happenes with all games) I'm sure it'll retain a strong player base. Another thing to note is that once we get more Marvel based media like tv shows and movies it can benefit MR since they can add a certain character or give existing characters a skin to match that.
Ow is definitely a GOAT but it’s THE GOAT anymore. It’s just outdated and not consumer friendly for Modern Gaming audience. You can talk about 10 years ago all you want but for the market that it’s in, it’s not good. We wanna bring up how big OW was but do you know they crossed 100 Million Players in 8 years of being online, yet Rivals passed 20 Million in 2 weeks. Marvel Rivals is just shaping up to being at the Top of not just the Genre but PVP Gaming in general. It’s Free, Skins are enticing, you can actually see the skins bc of Third Person, New Playable Characters is something more of Value than even Fortnite in terms of revisiting the game, Battle Pass doesn’t disappear once bought, Upcoming Character will be more of a draw and hype compared to OW or Valorant or any other game where you play as a Hero/Champion. The game hasn’t hit its peak yet and it’s the new staple of Multiplayer.
Overwatch was just the first and biggest one to do it like this. Of course everyone was flipping out in 2016 when a new 6v6 "hero" shooter was announced. I mean shit, "PLAY OF THE GAME" was hype, great graphics, gameplay flow etc. The game was huge for several years, but I don't see why people think this game has any less staying power. In Shroud's statement, he compared CS to Valorant, fair. How is Valorant doing right now? What about CS? Both just fine. The difference is that those games aren't making screw up after screw up for the last several years like Overwatch has. This was a different kind of hype, people wanted a new game but they wanted out of this overwatch fiesta. Throw in the Marvel IP, surprisingly good gameplay/designed characters, Overwatch was already on hospice, new CoD was a bit of a flop...of course people flock to the new FREE hero shooter that is also cross platform. They also have virtually infinite content to add to the game, fantastic 4 is a perfect example and they're just getting started. Anyone saying this will die, dont realize that it only will if the devs kill it like what happened to Overwatch, but luckily the devs in this game actually play and are good at their game.
Gamers always do this with new games. “It’s the best thing in the world til it gets boring or the devs piss them off. Gamers are like a toxic partner, they are not willing to grow and change but expect you to be exactly what they envision, which is so immature. Without all the lessons we learned from OW there would be no Marvel Rivals, even the devs admit that. We’ll kill OW and lose the chance for having 2 games competing getting better cause gamers can’t get over OW not being every thing they wanted. It gave us good years and inspired a great game in Marvel Rivals.our community is so ungrateful. MR will get the same treatment in a few years cause we never learn. Gamers are goldfish.
I have an interesting question, if a man likes and enjoys what he sees if its a woman, its a male gaze bad thing....if a woman looks and also enjoys what she sees, is that also a female gaze and is it also a bad thing? Because it's the same thing, but when a man does it, it's bad, but a female is safe? Even if it's a fictional character
There's no debate. OW is DITW (Dead in the Water) they are on their Titanic arc. They are beyond done. And Cod is bleeding out because of this too! Cod will survive this era but OW is just waiting for the casket door to drop
I've never been really into skins whether it's FPS or fighting games. I usually just use the default. I'm not saying they aren't cool but the novelty quickly wears off. Same with graphics I guess, all the shiny stuff with new tech like RT looks great for the first hour or so then it's all about the story and gameplay for the rest.
Still not understanding how people are farming this content about the debate. Overwatch has been dead for years… just annoying to compare. Shroud is washed
Jake Rivals is a more speed momentum responsive game compared to Smite not saying the game isn't great in itself and performs well but having Marvel and all the endless characters and abilities will be superior and retain more players.
Ow WAS better at a certain point. Started to decline after brig’s release. OW2 isn’t half of what MR is right now. MR is the better game point blank PERIOD! The mean reason that is, is because MR development team actually took what Ow was great at and enhanced it by x10. Also they’re listening to community rather than ignoring it. There’s so many thing wrong with OW2 that is doesn’t take a genius to understand why it’s failing. Never thought I’d make the jump to MR from OW, since I’ve been playing OW since early access. Haven’t even touched the new season OW2. MR feels like Ow1 in the beginning that’s why I’m staying at this game, it’s definitely my main game now.
OW was great because it was the first of its kind to hit all platforms. Now that it has its direct competitor, you can't call it better because you want to compare year 1 OW to Rivals, foh. Be honest, compare OW and Rivals how they are now, then say what game is better.
Shroud has been wrong plenty of times. I've enjoyed watching him for many years but he is dead wrong! The goat is on goat shish kabob watch. He can stop it right there
Shroud with the bad takes as per usual.. You don't compare peak vs something that literally just started 2 month's ago. That's just plain stupid. When all things are said and done. When both games are dead. It will be 100% Marvel Rivals to be the better game. It's already better than peak overwatch and it just started.
As someone who kept giving COD many chances to change, im glad i quit playing and moved on to marvel rivals. Most refreshing feeling i have ever felt in a while for a new game.
I don’t think that the Marvel Rivals hype will last. Shroud is 100% right…Overwatch was on a whole different level as far as hype. People would play it all day exclusively, day after day for like the first 2-3 years it was out. It still plays and looks good 8+ years after launch. Marvel Rivals gives me Palworld type vibes. People were talking about Palworld like it was going to be world-changing and only a year later there is maybe 5% of that peak player base still even playing that game and it has 0% hype. Marvel Rivals will go that same route IMO when people have more time to start to see the flaws and the devs have to start milking the same heroes with new skins.
@@KriticullCTRL Also, do you not see the hypocrisy in resorting to name-calling while calling someone else a kid? What does that make you then? A toddler?
Palworld is a completely different game from rival’s and most people stopped playing because nothing was being added to the game until a year later same thing with Xdefiant and the finals, rivals is what ow should be and as long as the devs cater towards the fans and keep the game filled with content i can see it forming a solid player base, as with flaws idk what you’re implying with that because every game has flaws, apex has had flaws for years now and the playerbase still seem to love and keep coming back to the game
@@Valkyrae123 I didn’t mean to imply they are similar games…only that they both have that “flash in the pan” type feel rather than anything sustainable. I’d ask you to consider…what is innovative about Rivals? It’s IMO like someone said “we’re going to mix Fortnite’s POV and movement techs with OW’s gameplay and slap a third-party aesthetic onto it.” Where is the spirit and originality that even comes close to what OW or Fortnite had on launch? Rivals is totally derivative of better and more successful games that came before it IMO. Also, the art and effects for Rivals are way behind OW or even Fortnite which came out years before it…and they’re already resorting to the spicy skins to keep interest up too. Just red flags all over. Not even trying to be a hater, that’s just my honest opinion on it.
Than why didn’t Shroud put 1000+ hours into over watch? It’s looking like he’ll be playing marvel for quite some time bet he puts more hours on this game then he did OW.
I watch Tim and Nade a lot, so seeing them actually have fun is refreshing. COD has been a drain on gaming for a while now
Shroud has SO many bad takes
Shroud is lame. Don't really care for the dweeb with his awful takes.
It's a talent tbh
Never heard a good shroud take. Guy should keep his mouth shut and aim. That’s the only thing he’s good at anyways
I hate OW2 but to say OW1 in its infancy was better than Rivals is not an outlandish take. Everyone has their own opinion and sure we’re scorned from blizzard but peak OW was just as fun as we’re having rn. I am not a shill I haven’t played OW in almost a year don’t you start lol
@ I agree. Overwatch 1 at its peak was probably better than marvel rivals is at the moment. The thing is overwatch 1 doesn’t exist and the overwatch we have now is nowhere near as good as marvel rivals so to still say that overwatch is the better game is just a massive cope and objectively wrong
It’s not even debatable. Marvel Rivals is the best game out right now and it’s not even close
Cod is way better
@@zuzd4502As someone who hasn’t played Cod in years let me give you a thumbs up.
Not remotely lol @@zuzd4502
@zuzd4502 cod is trash
@@zuzd4502 lmao
This is what happens when you make a solid game and listen to your audience
Facts
I think people tend to forget that OW 1 was not free you had to buy it.
The more i listen to Shroud speak, the more i realize that his gun skill doesn't transfer to his opinion or hot takes. The overwatch he is describing hasn't been a thing since 2018. If a game and its company constantly spit in the face and betray its fanbase on a regular basis, can you really call it a GOAT.
Let's not mention the game he made that was dead on release
OW cooked itself. That isn’t the shining standard to beat this type of game anymore. I think Rivals was a slightly more hyped game than OW ever was. It will either replace it as the main game in this genre, or it will fade out like The Finals. (Which is still a great supported game but referring to launch popularity). I can see this game having a scene for a little bit if the devs keep up the support.
I'm a Smite guy so this whole thing has depressed me with the timing of it all haha
@@thegamerupdateyou would play smite
@@thegamerupdateif you like smite give predecessor a try. SO MUCH POTENTIAL and already a very pretty game to look at just needs some attention from someone with an audience to grow.
Rivals will be around for several years
A month later.. well this last??.. I thinks it's here to stay for awhile
Marvel arrivals ain’t catering to nobody with their skins. They are all comic accurate costumes. They just have a great game with a huge franchise behind it.
Notice how shroud says “was” and “took” instead of “is” and “still has”.
Lmao shroud was saying MR was better when he was he winning but the moment he get hard stuck all of the sudden the matchmaking is bad. Bro is 3-6 stacking every stream and yet hes still hard stuck
I have uninstalled the Overwatch.
Idk how people will be able to play invisible woman with one hand 😂
Nadeshot "Bro that's two gallons of ice cream " 😂😂😂 one of the best internet personalities / streamers we have
buddy that skin is from the comic
Shroud said its Overwatch OG version, not overwatch 2. Overwatch 2 is trash. And Overwatch doesn't exist anymore.
2:49 everything he is saying is past tense.. we can only go on current climate
Yeah I think it's a pretty brain dead take..did shroud even play OW like that?
Overwatch 2 tried to please everyone, from the casuals to the pros, which was a recipe for disaster.
Let's be real, Overwatch cooked Overwatch.
Marvel Rivals > Overwatch Fortnite > todays Cods
comic book accurate skins :)
It's not comic accurate
@@CrystalMang0 yuh uh
Fun fact: in the game if u wanna quit so many times, u cant...u will be penalized for quitting out the game so much. That's what COD doesn't have. I was playing wit randoms & the talk was about people quitting in mid game matches. "Why doesn't COD penalize people for quitting?" .. good answer but they haven't done it yet.
Shroud? He never played OW competitively. His opinion means nothing.
I think that currently Marvel Rivals does everything right, it launched with 33 character and by the end of season 1 we'll have 37 characters, they're not afraid to make attractive charactrs because they know it sells, they make the characters' gameplay match their comic book counterpart, they show you the actual stats of characters (play rate and win rate across all ranks and both on pc and console) and they make great balance changes.
So yes these devs are very aware of what the community wants and while I am sure the game's popularity will wane down a bit (happenes with all games) I'm sure it'll retain a strong player base.
Another thing to note is that once we get more Marvel based media like tv shows and movies it can benefit MR since they can add a certain character or give existing characters a skin to match that.
Yes, what the fuck?? Overwatch has like 5k viewers on twitch now and the majority of streamers went to Rivals.
And Concord cries in the corner
Ow is definitely a GOAT but it’s THE GOAT anymore.
It’s just outdated and not consumer friendly for Modern Gaming audience. You can talk about 10 years ago all you want but for the market that it’s in, it’s not good.
We wanna bring up how big OW was but do you know they crossed 100 Million Players in 8 years of being online, yet Rivals passed 20 Million in 2 weeks.
Marvel Rivals is just shaping up to being at the Top of not just the Genre but PVP Gaming in general. It’s Free, Skins are enticing, you can actually see the skins bc of Third Person, New Playable Characters is something more of Value than even Fortnite in terms of revisiting the game, Battle Pass doesn’t disappear once bought, Upcoming Character will be more of a draw and hype compared to OW or Valorant or any other game where you play as a Hero/Champion. The game hasn’t hit its peak yet and it’s the new staple of Multiplayer.
Tbh Overwatch did this to itself. It’s been a long time coming for them
Nah g Smite 2 is poppin rn, aspects going crazy
Overwatch was just the first and biggest one to do it like this. Of course everyone was flipping out in 2016 when a new 6v6 "hero" shooter was announced. I mean shit, "PLAY OF THE GAME" was hype, great graphics, gameplay flow etc. The game was huge for several years, but I don't see why people think this game has any less staying power. In Shroud's statement, he compared CS to Valorant, fair. How is Valorant doing right now? What about CS? Both just fine. The difference is that those games aren't making screw up after screw up for the last several years like Overwatch has. This was a different kind of hype, people wanted a new game but they wanted out of this overwatch fiesta. Throw in the Marvel IP, surprisingly good gameplay/designed characters, Overwatch was already on hospice, new CoD was a bit of a flop...of course people flock to the new FREE hero shooter that is also cross platform. They also have virtually infinite content to add to the game, fantastic 4 is a perfect example and they're just getting started.
Anyone saying this will die, dont realize that it only will if the devs kill it like what happened to Overwatch, but luckily the devs in this game actually play and are good at their game.
Gamers always do this with new games. “It’s the best thing in the world til it gets boring or the devs piss them off. Gamers are like a toxic partner, they are not willing to grow and change but expect you to be exactly what they envision, which is so immature. Without all the lessons we learned from OW there would be no Marvel Rivals, even the devs admit that. We’ll kill OW and lose the chance for having 2 games competing getting better cause gamers can’t get over OW not being every thing they wanted. It gave us good years and inspired a great game in Marvel Rivals.our community is so ungrateful. MR will get the same treatment in a few years cause we never learn. Gamers are goldfish.
Marvel is taking over video games now . LFG
I have an interesting question, if a man likes and enjoys what he sees if its a woman, its a male gaze bad thing....if a woman looks and also enjoys what she sees, is that also a female gaze and is it also a bad thing?
Because it's the same thing, but when a man does it, it's bad, but a female is safe? Even if it's a fictional character
HOW HAVE U NOT SEEN A GAME LIKE THIS BEFORE ITS A OW CLONE LOL
Yeah when it came out... Now is just not even the shadow of what it was. Very bad take from Shroud wtf
There's no debate. OW is DITW (Dead in the Water) they are on their Titanic arc. They are beyond done. And Cod is bleeding out because of this too! Cod will survive this era but OW is just waiting for the casket door to drop
I've never been really into skins whether it's FPS or fighting games. I usually just use the default. I'm not saying they aren't cool but the novelty quickly wears off. Same with graphics I guess, all the shiny stuff with new tech like RT looks great for the first hour or so then it's all about the story and gameplay for the rest.
Still not understanding how people are farming this content about the debate. Overwatch has been dead for years… just annoying to compare. Shroud is washed
rival devs with the malice and psylocke skins: what?? die out>??? our hype??? where???? when???? 💅 im a bi woman i am 100% buying both skins ASAP
Jake Rivals is a more speed momentum responsive game compared to Smite not saying the game isn't great in itself and performs well but having Marvel and all the endless characters and abilities will be superior and retain more players.
Ow WAS better at a certain point. Started to decline after brig’s release. OW2 isn’t half of what MR is right now. MR is the better game point blank PERIOD! The mean reason that is, is because MR development team actually took what Ow was great at and enhanced it by x10. Also they’re listening to community rather than ignoring it. There’s so many thing wrong with OW2 that is doesn’t take a genius to understand why it’s failing. Never thought I’d make the jump to MR from OW, since I’ve been playing OW since early access. Haven’t even touched the new season OW2. MR feels like Ow1 in the beginning that’s why I’m staying at this game, it’s definitely my main game now.
I've never played Overwatch.
Easy way to get people to play strategist also I'm a Smite enjoyer as well
This isn’t even close to peak rivals dude…. It’s been a month 😅😅😅
Tim, nadeshot and others are doing non stop ads for this game 😂 and your using them as examples ?
OW was great because it was the first of its kind to hit all platforms. Now that it has its direct competitor, you can't call it better because you want to compare year 1 OW to Rivals, foh. Be honest, compare OW and Rivals how they are now, then say what game is better.
They will play this and say how good it is until they aren't making money off of it any longer like they do to every game.
TF2 at launch is the goat
Shroud has been wrong plenty of times. I've enjoyed watching him for many years but he is dead wrong! The goat is on goat shish kabob watch. He can stop it right there
Shroud is great at shooting, but his takes might be some of the worst in the scene.
Im hooked to this game ❤
overwatch is a woke mess
overwatch is too gay.
Shroud with the bad takes as per usual..
You don't compare peak vs something that literally just started 2 month's ago. That's just plain stupid. When all things are said and done. When both games are dead. It will be 100% Marvel Rivals to be the better game. It's already better than peak overwatch and it just started.
Bro who tf cares😂😂😂 over watch has been dead… Nothin can fk with this hero shooter rn and it’s in the MARVEL universe sheeeesssshhh
Isnt this the dude who was defending COD warzone cheaters????
Fortnite ballistics cuh
As someone who kept giving COD many chances to change, im glad i quit playing and moved on to marvel rivals. Most refreshing feeling i have ever felt in a while for a new game.
“Im a Smite guy” should never be mentioned in public
Rivals is balls trash clunky game
I am soo tired of this stupid ass debate. Overwatch 1 is way better, Blizzard cooked Overwatch. Discussion over.
Nope
I don’t think that the Marvel Rivals hype will last. Shroud is 100% right…Overwatch was on a whole different level as far as hype. People would play it all day exclusively, day after day for like the first 2-3 years it was out. It still plays and looks good 8+ years after launch.
Marvel Rivals gives me Palworld type vibes. People were talking about Palworld like it was going to be world-changing and only a year later there is maybe 5% of that peak player base still even playing that game and it has 0% hype.
Marvel Rivals will go that same route IMO when people have more time to start to see the flaws and the devs have to start milking the same heroes with new skins.
Wrong, kid. That was the lamest take on this game, so far.
@ I appreciate your nuanced reply. There was really a lot that I could gain from all the counterpoints you presented in a respectful manner.
@@KriticullCTRL Also, do you not see the hypocrisy in resorting to name-calling while calling someone else a kid? What does that make you then? A toddler?
Palworld is a completely different game from rival’s and most people stopped playing because nothing was being added to the game until a year later same thing with Xdefiant and the finals, rivals is what ow should be and as long as the devs cater towards the fans and keep the game filled with content i can see it forming a solid player base, as with flaws idk what you’re implying with that because every game has flaws, apex has had flaws for years now and the playerbase still seem to love and keep coming back to the game
@@Valkyrae123 I didn’t mean to imply they are similar games…only that they both have that “flash in the pan” type feel rather than anything sustainable.
I’d ask you to consider…what is innovative about Rivals? It’s IMO like someone said “we’re going to mix Fortnite’s POV and movement techs with OW’s gameplay and slap a third-party aesthetic onto it.” Where is the spirit and originality that even comes close to what OW or Fortnite had on launch? Rivals is totally derivative of better and more successful games that came before it IMO.
Also, the art and effects for Rivals are way behind OW or even Fortnite which came out years before it…and they’re already resorting to the spicy skins to keep interest up too. Just red flags all over. Not even trying to be a hater, that’s just my honest opinion on it.
Shroud best take
Worst
Game won’t last
lol bro what
It’s been a month and it’s still averaging 300-400k on pc alone.
Y’all said the game would be dead in a month and it’s still growing in numbers 😂😂
Same people saying give it a 2weeks. 😂😂😂 Its being almost two months now.
It has been keeping its player count since release, just broke its all time player count and it’s not even the weekend.
Rivals is just getting warmed up 🤌🏼
Than why didn’t Shroud put 1000+ hours into over watch? It’s looking like he’ll be playing marvel for quite some time bet he puts more hours on this game then he did OW.
They need more servers!!!
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