Yeah good thing he clarified it, I bought one and have been wondering forever what was the use of all those metal hexagon little rods in my LTT fidget spinner 😂
I was honestly really hoping it would literally only be 20 minutes straight of benchmarking it as a fidget spinner and only mentioning it "can be used as a screwdriver" at the end and purely reviewing it based on it as a fidget spinner.
Your delivery of the joke on the full video was so deadpan most of the time, that I started questioning my own sanity for thinking it was a joke. I had to read one of your comment replies to restore my sanity. 😅
As someone that watches a lot of LTT, I've seen how much Linus emphasizes the fidget spinner aspect for fun. I think for people like me familiar with that context, the joke is more obvious than for someone that doesn't watch the LTT content that hits on that aspect
I haven't watched LTT in about a year, and I had no idea he'd even made a second screwdriver, but even then it was super clear from Jeff's context. The problem (IMO) is that Jeff's wit is dryer than 2012 Missouri, and a lot of people just don't pick up on that.
@@GSBarlev So you are telling me that the entire joke is only an issue to tourists? Aight, got it. I say that because even though I struggle to catch onto cues, being a fan of LTT myself made me very aware that the fidget spinner joke was, well, a joke. Linus literally runs it on a stopwatch, live on WAN Show, plus Jeff's humor has lots to be expected, including its dryness. So anyone willing to comment against the joke either arrived at the video to defend Linus without ever watching Linus, or arrived to attack Jeff without ever watching Jeff.
@@NothingXemnas I wouldn't say that, no. I think plenty of people were commenting in good faith, the joke either went over their heads or they just didn't find it funny. Humor is subjective, after all.
I don't watch LTT but I thought the joke was obvious. It did run a bit too long for my tastes so I had to skip it over but at no point I thought it was serious.
I mean, I'm not offended by the original video or anything, but I honestly watched it and thought it was serious. I don't think that's unreasonable for people to do so. There was no indicator to an outsider that it wasn't serious.
No, it’s just that it was odd how a large part of the video was about it being a fidget spinner. It’s like we get it but it’s most of the video Saying it’s a fidget spinner is just a one time joke, but no now the ifixit one has a fidget spinner, now we’re looking at the gyroscopic stabilisation, but not actually just using it The problem was the joke got old with minutes left of the fidget spinner jokes left. It felt like an April fools type of video Just because you disagree it doesn’t mean they’re dense I’m not going to say it was outright bad, Jeff can do what he wants in his videos, but it was a situation where I ended up in the comments to see if other people were confused with the emphasis on fidget spinners
I still like to change things when it causes confusion, at least. I think pulling a couple minutes out of the intro fidget spinner part would've helped get people past that hurdle into the more serious overview of the different drivers. But what's done is done, I don't *not* like the video, but I do think I can integrate dry sarcasm a bit better.
@@Level2Jeff Your personality comes through and it makes your content a joy to watch. I learn something new on each video - and gain a smile too. Just don't spend too much time looking in the rear view. Keep making great content. And I'll see you on the next video. Blessings, Denny
@@dennyklaver6398i 100% agree with this. i know typically they say that the responsibility falls on the communicator but sometimes that really just is not true. can’t please everyone bro. you’re better than just fine
😰 I definitely messed up here. A bunch of my friends and co-workers refer to the spinning tops on screwdrivers, precision or standard, as fidget spinners. So I made the mistake of thinking that you meant that between the LTT and the iFixIt drivers that the iFixIt didn't have a rotating top. It probably didn't help that I listened to the video while doing house work instead of watching it so I may have missed some visual cues. That's on me. Thank you for clearing this up so a dense person like me. Seriously, I'm grateful for this follow up video.
That makes sense, actually! Sometimes I forget context a bit-I follow LTT here and there, so I know how Linus joked about the top being a fidget spinner... but not everyone has that context!
Ha! I still like comments though, I even maintain a comment section on the ol' blog. It just gets painful sometimes-especially those rare moments when I say something that I had no idea would spark some fierce debate over something I didn't even know was debatable! Like how you install an OS on a new computer!
I feel like having a comment section is better than not, if only so people have a chance to clarify - I would imagine that's better than thinking you did nothing and have people disliking you for it, no?
The comment section isn't the problem.. it's the people who lack the attention span to watch a whole video or the cognitive ability and or education to read sarcasm and jokes
It's not the comment sections that were a mistake but the underfunding and mismanagement of public schools that seriously degraded communication everywhere, especially where keyboards are involved, which is weird, because that's where one has the most opportunity to contemplate their responses.
Perhaps I'm a weird south paw, but I don't use these precision drivers as you've demonstrated: 1: insert driver bit into screw head. 2: rest palm on the 'spinner' to keep the bit from falling out, which frees the fingers for turning the driver in small increments, like a ratchet. 3: voila'! I've finished screwing, using only one hand, while holding the part in the other. I've always thought that was the whole point for having a spinning top on the driver. 🤷♂ Love your informative channels.😎
Some precision drivers are designed to push down with your palm, some are designed to push down with your thumb, but they're often designed to be usable with one hand.
@@TheOleHermit I usually use the palm on the spinner then turn the screwdriver with my thumb, index and middle finger. I'm assuming he considered the thumb as one of the fingers when he typed the message.
When the first few minutes of the video were just about fidget spinners, I half expected the rest of the video to be exclusively about that as well. I would have respected the dedication to the bit 😂
I was just confused about the vibe of the video. I did not comment, because I recognized the joke of it eventually, but I was confused for a good couple of minutes.
@@Level2Jeffthis was my takeaway as well, felt more like making fun of the ltt screwdriver for the first few minutes which didn’t line up with the “it’s good but maybe not worth the extra money” takeaway from the end of the video.
Jeff, I think the big difference for the precision is supposed to be the "longer" shaved down bits to get into recessed holes that are a little deeper. That is why the hex end is a bit shorter. They still wanted other bits to fit though and have theirs fit others.
The joke absolutely landed, and I for one really appreciated your commitment to the bit (pun entirely intended, obviously). I'm guessing spending as much time as you did on a jokey deep-dive into the various aspects of this free-spinning top might have been a bit too much for some, but IMO it also takes a bit of a stretch of the imagination to believe that you don't know why precision screwdrivers have spinning tops, so.... yeah. This one isn't on you.
If you had said "it doubles as a fidget spinner" then I'd have 100% agreed, because it does serve multiple purposes, among them as fidget spinner, but in the video you made it sound like the top was meant *only* as a fidget spinner
Found that video pretty funny, it also got to the point about what actually matter so thanks for making it ! Keep the good work jeff (also i hold my drivers with my teeth, the only superior way 🧠)
I thoroughly enjoyed the OG video - and I was kinda expecting people reacting like they did. Taking things too literal is becoming a thing it seems. You had a great idea, and executed it well. Those who got it - got it! :D
IYKYK… After 10 minutes of fidget spinner comparos, it was clear you were aiming for troll level 100. Yes, I got it. But it was overplayed in such dry way that confused others into thinking you were serious (or seriously dumb). In comedy, as they say, timing is everything. For future videos, maybe crank up the sarcasm a little along with some creative camera closeups or captions to drive it home. Both Mehdi (ElectroBoom) and Alex (Technology Connections) have this down to a subtle art and the jokes land perfectly.
It's a good video. Your commentary was funny and informative. It sounds like some people have personal feelings that they're projecting onto you. Keep up the great videos, Jeff. Thanks for everything!
man, videos like this make me glad I'm not a TH-cam creator, having to put up with angry reactions from people who do not comprehend the words coming out of your mouth. you do good work and I'd never assume you were a dummy if I didn't understand something you said.
@@Level2Jeffhumor is also cultural, it doesn't always translate well. British humor is vastly different from American humor which is different from, insert country here, humor.
You communicated it just fine! The innovation is the fidget spinner can also be used as a screwdriver! The people who got the joke (like myself) were just too busy laughing to leave a comment.
I actually really liked your delivery, I found it quite funny and entertaining. But I guess you just can't satisfy everyone if someone thinks that it somehow missed the mark.
I do appreciate a great and unexpected bearing. At my gym, they have a manual treadmill and at the back, they have hooks to attach bungie cords that go to a belt or vest to give you some resistance. For something that will maybe rotate 30 degrees in its full range of motions, they have the smoothest bearings that will spin for a minute+. I go out of my way to walk by them just to spin these big chunks of metal.
I think the innovation in the spinning top is that it also has tool storage in the handle and a ridiculously overkill spinning ability to entertain the user and drive everyone else around completely insane. LOL Also, the joke was plenty well communicated! Loved it!
Given how often you mentioned it, how you mentioned it, and the 'glueing a fidget spinner on top of the ifixit', if people didn't get it, then... euhhh.. well... I guess Sheldon from TBBT also needed a sarcasm sign....🤷♀
The thing I'm most interested in is the magnetic bits. It's really hard to screw T3 screws back in, that want to fall of the bit and ticket to the side.
haha, I was expecting this video after the screwdriver test! I find it funny that some people think someone like Jeff wouldn’t know how a precision screwdriver works and still went on to explain how to use the palm rest.
Of course Linus is going to do a reaction to this. And I am eagerly looking forward to that. And maybe we can have some back and forth video battles between the two channels just for fun. Would love that.
I'm just glad enough time has now passed since the fidget spinner fad that it needs to be demonstrated to a youtube audience what an actual fidget spinner is...
oh man, i commented on another comment thinking you had missed the aluminium version. i needed a spinoff of the aluminium ifixit driver and the ltt driver. i guess some dreams will have to go unfullfilled :P
Linus made a big point about the fidget feature, because a ton of people love to fidget with the larger LTT driver and its ratcheting mechanism. They very much had making it a fidget toy and a screwdriver in mind from the start. This is something the LTT audiance seems to really be into, and I am too. But unlike the LTT screwdriver, the bit driver is more of a fun gimmick for their audiance than something you would recommend as "the best precision driver" or anything like that. It's good, but the price is high for what it does. It's not too high for what it IS, but it's high for what utility it brings. That said, I think the full kit for $50 is high but not crazy, considering that the LTT bits and case are actually a lot more innovative than the driver itself.
I didn't read any comments on the other video. It was entertaining. I'm not planning to replace my iFixit kit I bought in 2018. Still works for my tech stuff
I thought the video was perfect and it's absurd you had to make this follow up. Still glad the original video is exactly how you made it. Don't change a thing, Jeff!
heh, I thought the first part of the video was hilarious! :D Its merch. Like 90% of Amazon isnt full of the same stuff someone already came out with...
The thing that might make it worth $10 that I saw in the comments of the original is the stronger magnets: I know that Linus is obsessed with making the magnets the right strength, and at least one person mentioned how not having to unrack and shake a server to get the dropped screw out was worth way more than $10.
I don't have my magnetometer (my Dad has it and I wasn't able to get it from him), but I would've liked to include that test as well. Though by feel, the iFixit seems to be pretty decent still, magnet-wise.
In the end it's another creative stab in the dark, some work better than others! On to the next video though, something I've been working on for weeks!
Jeff, I believe the problem wasn't the jokes, I think the problem was how long you stretched the joke. You spent several minutes there, I found myself wondering if it was a joke or if you were serious. But I liked the video and the conclusion.
your jokes landed perfectly. no other spiny screwdriver has ever had a fidget spinner, would not buy it for that either even if I have ADHD. i think the captive bit system would be the selling point for me. I hope iFixit copies that cos I can get it here with amazon and not LTT's (lol)
The big kit from iFixit is called the Manta. I happen to have one and love it. When I first saw the LTT screwdriver kit, I thought it was actually an iFixit kit with LTT branding that iFixit made in collaboration with LTT for promotional purposes. Living in Europe, LTT is not really an option for me. Taxes and shipping for something like this kit add up to about $40-50.
Your communication was fine Jeff, fidget spinner was a JOKE, I think most of us got that. (I was one of the people who pointed out the Mako had a different driver since you didn't, but that's also fine.) The issue is that there is Internet Drama because this is LTT.
I rather enjoyed it, even if it took me a moment or two to realise the tongue-in-cheek nature of some of the comparisons 😊 Let’s face it, there’s only so much you can say about screwdrivers otherwise 😊
WANShow,... let's spin the top and depending on how long it sins there is a discount... I feel like at that point it should be mocked a little at this point...
I admit I was confused. It felt like a very elaborate, very sarcastic takedown. Which felt out of character. But then after some agonisingly long fidget spinner details, it wasn't the sarcastic takedown. But it sorta was.
My harbor freight Quinn brand 87 pc 'professional electronics repair kit' has an all metal driver with a free spinning bearing on the bottom, similar to LMG's. It weighs about 3g more than my Mako driver and slightly longer, which my gorilla hands actually prefer. It's usually $35 but I got it on sale. Quality is suspiciously good and includes tools similar to iFixit's Jimmy, spudgers, etc. The bit set is basically a 64 piece clone of the Mako. I highly recommend it above these for the price.
i'm not sure why this particular joke or comment required a whole video… Jeff you're one of the most genuine people on TH-cam… But this only reinforces my distaste for anything having to do with Linus tech tips… I'm not sure why you are associated with them… But please keep doing what you're doing. You're doing great work
Do you know how hard I tried to open the top of my Mako kit precision driver because of your video? I finally stopped when you started talking about the rubberized handle.
I think I'm in the camp of "got the joke, but found it disingenuous due to missing context/after you kept going." It *could* have been funny, had it fallen into either "joke in a serious review" or "parody review" territory, but for me it landed in "I'm pushing one over the other so I'm going to harp on this one detail even if it's silly" territory. For instance, it didn't seem communicated at all that any of the other precision drivers *had* a spinny top? So it seemed like you were going "spinny top vs no spinny top." With that context of "everything has a spinny top," it makes more sense. What I gleaned from the summary of the end of the video was "The only thing that the LTT precision driver adds is a fidget spinner, and that isn't worth $10." which rubbed me the wrong way as well, and solidified the "disingenuous" feeling i was getting.
Why did it rub you the wrong way? Can't handle criticism of Linus and his tool xerox? The bearing is useless, except as a children's toy. A simple spinning top is cheaper and works just as well. You can't screw at the spinner speed, fiction alone would prevent that.
@@bzuidgeest The og video was definitely disingenuous and seemed half baked at best. It was a huge misstep on Jeff's part and not posting this on his main channel with the og video doesn't restore much confidence in his content. Almost half the video is spent just trying to make a (very bad) joke of a feature that many people find very useful while masquerading as a genuine comparison of two competing products. On top of that Jeff compares LTT's driver against the cheaper plastic cap iFixit driver instead of the aluminum version which also has the metal bearing type endcap. Although both drivers compete in the same space, its not exactly an apples to apples comparison and it just makes it feel like that version of the iFixit driver was intentionally ignored just so this ridiculous joke could be included. Yes, many drivers have caps that spin but moving from a plastic on plastic spinner to one that uses a bearing is a night and day difference. The bearing version doesn't bind up under pressure like the plastic ones and it can last years longer than a plastic one under heavy use, I've owned and used the same iFixit Aluminum Precision Bit driver for over 8 years now and would not hesitate for a single second to replace it with the exact same one even if it cost $40 for the driver alone with how much easier it has made my job over those eight years. The bearing version with the heavier metal body also spins much easier and freely even when removing or installing screws allowing most of the screws to be installed or removed with a single flick of the handle while just resting your palm on the end cap. If you really want to see how much of a difference that metal bearing makes. Get a plastic spinning version and a bearing version, Find a laptop where screws need to be removed to take off the bottom, then spend 8 hours with each screw driver just removing and reinstalling that bottom plate over and over again. You'll never want to use a plastic driver ever again. Calling the feature a children's toy or making a 6+ minute long video calling it a joke just shows how ignorant you are of the feature and how it improves the usefulness and ease of use of the tool.
@@stevecole90099 another one of you, get over yourself. It's a screwdriver. If you really worked with the ifixit version for eight years, that only proves that the LTT version is a useless upgrade that can spin faster then friction will let screws turn. Therefore it's over engineered for its purpose. It's something for Linus to squeeze money out of his group of sycophants of which you seem a member.
@@stevecole90099 Id argue that depends on the person, though. I've used plastic cheap precision screwdrivers and much nicer precision drivers with bearings and for me the difference is negligible. Even when using them for hours at a time unscrewing and rescrewing screws on hardware. For me, the increased cost of the LTT driver isnt worth it.
@@mitchk7655 That's kind of the problem though. Jeff clearly comes from the same camp on these, cheap is fine. But he didn't make that clear from the start, and instead did a half-baked comparison and a bunch of jokes about the gimmick being a gimmick while discounting a bunch of real improvements on the case, bit storage, bit design, and other things. Not to mention the egregious error of not even bothering to compare to the actually comparable product. And this is all after doing a proper review of the previous product. It's fine to be a "they are all basically the same so just buy the cheap one" person. But it came off in his main vid, as more of an extended insult to people who expected a real review and genuinely care about quality tools and actually do see a difference with them. For 10USD, I'd happily pay for 1% efficiency increase for a tool I might use 5 hours per week for the next 10 years, just for the sake of reducing hand fatigue. Jeff said a light driver is better for him whereas I prefer a better grip and smooth spinning top (which ifixit's better driver offers), but none of that made it to his main video. I doubt it was intended but Jeff came off really bad in that video. I think bad enough that it's worth him buying the correct comparison kit and doing a proper review. I think he missed the mark badly and treated people who respect his opinion like fools and wasted their time, when going hard in either direction to serious review or parody/funny joke video would have been preferable. I'm kind of disappointed because this is the only review of these that I've bothered to click on, because I value Jeff's insights normally. All to watch him be unable to focus on anything useful and just obsess with a feature that was always a gimmick and likely wasn't a major factor in the higher cost in the first place. An actual review of the benefits, downsides and cost differences would really be desirable at this point. He doesn't have to like it, but at least tell us why, don't announce that you're paying $10 for a fidget spinner top when it clearly goes to many cumulative differences.
With the original review, I get wanting to make some jokes here and there - my main gripe wash ow much time you spent on the joke. Sticking a fidget spinner on top of the iFixit screwdriver? Genuinely hilarious But going on with the joke to benchmark the "spin-iness" of it was where I was over it
I found the video low-key hilarious. Fantastic deadpan humour, and I thought it was in good taste though I haven't been particularly privy to the drama. Shame the jokes didn't land.
I didn't doubt you know what the spinning cap is used for, but it was not clear to me that the others also had one. If I had to choose between the 2 the spinning top and the slightly different bits would be the main points, so it's good to know that it doesn't really matter
i guess i've been watching you're channel too long? the deadpan delivery is what i subscribe for lol. maybe we needed red shirt jeff to get medieval on it to really hammer things home? maybe what started out as a joke video segued too hard into somewhat of an actual review with the ltt/noname/ifixit comparisons, the macbook repair and then whatever "controversy" is going on?
you spent 5 minutes on the fidget spinner bit, basically the first half of the video was introducing the tools and fidget spinner; it's not a surprise that the joke didn't land
I bought a precision screw driver set in a hardware store on about 2018. it had a fidget spinning top and was great, too bad that the shaft was stretched wide over time
When you beat a horse to death in ... not one ... but ... two videos, do NOT be surprised that you have a dead horse or two left over and PETA wanting to do bodily harm to you.
I got the joke, but it was kind of like some SNL skits that go too long, and you just put way more time into telling the joke instead of getting back to the review. Like the guy that goes, "Get it? It's a fidget spinner! Fidget spinners are toys. And this screwdriver has one. Fidget. Spinner." But hey, we all still love you anyway. Also, I'm pretty sure you just showed every way but the correct way to hold a precision screwdriver. I'll just assume that was a joke within the explanation of another joke.
I also realize, I have a bit of dry humor, and it's usually limited to one or two quick snips in a video. This time I let it play out a little more (and I didn't fully script the video-I usually don't do that on the main channel!). Heh, maybe I'll try to keep it a little more muted when I deal with LTT stuff next time!
ok so like,, as someone who's currently waiting for the ltt precision to arrive who already has an ifixit kit with the plastic screwdriver and has tried the metal version: i never found myself seriously using the bit storage on the plastic ifixit driver bc it's just too fiddly and not smooth enough. i also have a magnet implanted between my right index and thumb where i hold bits i'm very excited about being able to transfer between my hand and the internal storage. i also find that the plastic just isn't sturdy enough and the rubber is much less grippy than metal ifixit ones i've used, especially since i frequently work on devices with dozens of screws. additionally i frequently find that the magnet just isn't strong enough to pull screws out of holes sometimes and am hoping the ltt to be better at that. lastly i just deeply care about smooth operation without any scratchyness, i'm the type of person who designs and builds my own mechanical keyboards just so i can have it feel exactly right. therefore i don't think any other precision screwdriver would cut it for me and i'm very excited for the upgrade to my kit to arrive. i feel like you're just not very discerning when it comes to precision screwdriver design and should have just not reviewed it if you don't really care about the details.
Wait. I watched the original video three times. Are you telling me that the LTT Fidget Spinner is also a precision screwdriver?
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That is correct.
Yeah good thing he clarified it, I bought one and have been wondering forever what was the use of all those metal hexagon little rods in my LTT fidget spinner 😂
anythings a screwdriver if you push and twist hard enough, even fidget spinners.
I was honestly really hoping it would literally only be 20 minutes straight of benchmarking it as a fidget spinner and only mentioning it "can be used as a screwdriver" at the end and purely reviewing it based on it as a fidget spinner.
Haha leaning in 1000%
Your delivery of the joke on the full video was so deadpan most of the time, that I started questioning my own sanity for thinking it was a joke. I had to read one of your comment replies to restore my sanity. 😅
As someone that watches a lot of LTT, I've seen how much Linus emphasizes the fidget spinner aspect for fun. I think for people like me familiar with that context, the joke is more obvious than for someone that doesn't watch the LTT content that hits on that aspect
I haven't watched LTT in about a year, and I had no idea he'd even made a second screwdriver, but even then it was super clear from Jeff's context. The problem (IMO) is that Jeff's wit is dryer than 2012 Missouri, and a lot of people just don't pick up on that.
@@GSBarlev So you are telling me that the entire joke is only an issue to tourists? Aight, got it.
I say that because even though I struggle to catch onto cues, being a fan of LTT myself made me very aware that the fidget spinner joke was, well, a joke. Linus literally runs it on a stopwatch, live on WAN Show, plus Jeff's humor has lots to be expected, including its dryness.
So anyone willing to comment against the joke either arrived at the video to defend Linus without ever watching Linus, or arrived to attack Jeff without ever watching Jeff.
@@NothingXemnas I wouldn't say that, no. I think plenty of people were commenting in good faith, the joke either went over their heads or they just didn't find it funny. Humor is subjective, after all.
I don't watch LTT but I thought the joke was obvious. It did run a bit too long for my tastes so I had to skip it over but at no point I thought it was serious.
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Oh it landed. Some people are just dense. Or trolls. Don't feed the trolls Jeff.
yep the "ackchyually" bros out in full force
Never apologize. lol!
Precisely!
I mean, I'm not offended by the original video or anything, but I honestly watched it and thought it was serious. I don't think that's unreasonable for people to do so. There was no indicator to an outsider that it wasn't serious.
No, it’s just that it was odd how a large part of the video was about it being a fidget spinner. It’s like we get it but it’s most of the video
Saying it’s a fidget spinner is just a one time joke, but no now the ifixit one has a fidget spinner, now we’re looking at the gyroscopic stabilisation, but not actually just using it
The problem was the joke got old with minutes left of the fidget spinner jokes left. It felt like an April fools type of video
Just because you disagree it doesn’t mean they’re dense
I’m not going to say it was outright bad, Jeff can do what he wants in his videos, but it was a situation where I ended up in the comments to see if other people were confused with the emphasis on fidget spinners
You did just fine Jeff. Enjoy your sense of humor. And all your content. Don't be tempted to change anything.
I still like to change things when it causes confusion, at least. I think pulling a couple minutes out of the intro fidget spinner part would've helped get people past that hurdle into the more serious overview of the different drivers.
But what's done is done, I don't *not* like the video, but I do think I can integrate dry sarcasm a bit better.
@@Level2Jeff Your personality comes through and it makes your content a joy to watch. I learn something new on each video - and gain a smile too. Just don't spend too much time looking in the rear view. Keep making great content. And I'll see you on the next video. Blessings, Denny
@@dennyklaver6398i 100% agree with this. i know typically they say that the responsibility falls on the communicator but sometimes that really just is not true. can’t please everyone bro. you’re better than just fine
😰 I definitely messed up here. A bunch of my friends and co-workers refer to the spinning tops on screwdrivers, precision or standard, as fidget spinners. So I made the mistake of thinking that you meant that between the LTT and the iFixIt drivers that the iFixIt didn't have a rotating top. It probably didn't help that I listened to the video while doing house work instead of watching it so I may have missed some visual cues. That's on me. Thank you for clearing this up so a dense person like me. Seriously, I'm grateful for this follow up video.
That makes sense, actually! Sometimes I forget context a bit-I follow LTT here and there, so I know how Linus joked about the top being a fidget spinner... but not everyone has that context!
That was a very good segment. Props to you, there is no need to explain a joke.
The fact that this video needs to exist is more evidence that internet comment sections were a mistake.
Ha! I still like comments though, I even maintain a comment section on the ol' blog. It just gets painful sometimes-especially those rare moments when I say something that I had no idea would spark some fierce debate over something I didn't even know was debatable! Like how you install an OS on a new computer!
I feel like having a comment section is better than not, if only so people have a chance to clarify - I would imagine that's better than thinking you did nothing and have people disliking you for it, no?
@@Level2Jeff At least you get engagement! I am sure the majority of your audience understood that the LTT fidget spinner was also a screwdriver!
The comment section isn't the problem.. it's the people who lack the attention span to watch a whole video or the cognitive ability and or education to read sarcasm and jokes
It's not the comment sections that were a mistake but the underfunding and mismanagement of public schools that seriously degraded communication everywhere, especially where keyboards are involved, which is weird, because that's where one has the most opportunity to contemplate their responses.
Perhaps I'm a weird south paw, but I don't use these precision drivers as you've demonstrated:
1: insert driver bit into screw head.
2: rest palm on the 'spinner' to keep the bit from falling out, which frees the fingers for turning the driver in small increments, like a ratchet.
3: voila'! I've finished screwing, using only one hand, while holding the part in the other.
I've always thought that was the whole point for having a spinning top on the driver. 🤷♂
Love your informative channels.😎
Some precision drivers are designed to push down with your palm, some are designed to push down with your thumb, but they're often designed to be usable with one hand.
@@SnakebitSTI How does one turn the driver, while holding the part in the other hand, without using the thumb?🤔
@ Whoops, I meant index finger.
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I usually use the palm on the spinner then turn the screwdriver with my thumb, index and middle finger. I'm assuming he considered the thumb as one of the fingers when he typed the message.
When the first few minutes of the video were just about fidget spinners, I half expected the rest of the video to be exclusively about that as well. I would have respected the dedication to the bit 😂
I thought it was hilarious but what made it a little bit ambiguous to me was how long the segment was. I started to second guess myself
I was just confused about the vibe of the video. I did not comment, because I recognized the joke of it eventually, but I was confused for a good couple of minutes.
Yeah, I probably need to work on integrating the joke better next time! Live and learn!
@@Level2Jeffthis was my takeaway as well, felt more like making fun of the ltt screwdriver for the first few minutes which didn’t line up with the “it’s good but maybe not worth the extra money” takeaway from the end of the video.
Jeff, I think the big difference for the precision is supposed to be the "longer" shaved down bits to get into recessed holes that are a little deeper. That is why the hex end is a bit shorter. They still wanted other bits to fit though and have theirs fit others.
Oh, and I had no issues with your video. People are just being petty because they don't like it when peoples opinions don't match their own.
The joke absolutely landed, and I for one really appreciated your commitment to the bit (pun entirely intended, obviously). I'm guessing spending as much time as you did on a jokey deep-dive into the various aspects of this free-spinning top might have been a bit too much for some, but IMO it also takes a bit of a stretch of the imagination to believe that you don't know why precision screwdrivers have spinning tops, so.... yeah. This one isn't on you.
If you had said "it doubles as a fidget spinner" then I'd have 100% agreed, because it does serve multiple purposes, among them as fidget spinner, but in the video you made it sound like the top was meant *only* as a fidget spinner
Found that video pretty funny, it also got to the point about what actually matter so thanks for making it ! Keep the good work jeff (also i hold my drivers with my teeth, the only superior way 🧠)
You can hear the vibrations so much better that way!
I thoroughly enjoyed the OG video - and I was kinda expecting people reacting like they did. Taking things too literal is becoming a thing it seems. You had a great idea, and executed it well. Those who got it - got it! :D
I feel your pain, most of my jokes are like Helium, they never land.
IYKYK… After 10 minutes of fidget spinner comparos, it was clear you were aiming for troll level 100. Yes, I got it. But it was overplayed in such dry way that confused others into thinking you were serious (or seriously dumb). In comedy, as they say, timing is everything. For future videos, maybe crank up the sarcasm a little along with some creative camera closeups or captions to drive it home. Both Mehdi (ElectroBoom) and Alex (Technology Connections) have this down to a subtle art and the jokes land perfectly.
It's a good video. Your commentary was funny and informative. It sounds like some people have personal feelings that they're projecting onto you. Keep up the great videos, Jeff. Thanks for everything!
man, videos like this make me glad I'm not a TH-cam creator, having to put up with angry reactions from people who do not comprehend the words coming out of your mouth. you do good work and I'd never assume you were a dummy if I didn't understand something you said.
It landed well with me, but I already own a lot of precision screw driver kits. Felt no need to comment about how funny you are lol
Saavik : Humor. It is a difficult concept. It is not logical.
Kirk : We learn by doing.
-- ST-II, The Wrath of Khan
Haha excellent.
@@Level2Jeffhumor is also cultural, it doesn't always translate well. British humor is vastly different from American humor which is different from, insert country here, humor.
Don’t normally comment, but just want to say I enjoyed your og video. Trolls will troll, I always look forward to your content.
You communicated it just fine! The innovation is the fidget spinner can also be used as a screwdriver! The people who got the joke (like myself) were just too busy laughing to leave a comment.
I actually really liked your delivery, I found it quite funny and entertaining. But I guess you just can't satisfy everyone if someone thinks that it somehow missed the mark.
I do appreciate a great and unexpected bearing. At my gym, they have a manual treadmill and at the back, they have hooks to attach bungie cords that go to a belt or vest to give you some resistance. For something that will maybe rotate 30 degrees in its full range of motions, they have the smoothest bearings that will spin for a minute+. I go out of my way to walk by them just to spin these big chunks of metal.
I think the innovation in the spinning top is that it also has tool storage in the handle and a ridiculously overkill spinning ability to entertain the user and drive everyone else around completely insane. LOL
Also, the joke was plenty well communicated! Loved it!
Given how often you mentioned it, how you mentioned it, and the 'glueing a fidget spinner on top of the ifixit', if people didn't get it, then... euhhh.. well... I guess Sheldon from TBBT also needed a sarcasm sign....🤷♀
The thing I'm most interested in is the magnetic bits. It's really hard to screw T3 screws back in, that want to fall of the bit and ticket to the side.
haha, I was expecting this video after the screwdriver test! I find it funny that some people think someone like Jeff wouldn’t know how a precision screwdriver works and still went on to explain how to use the palm rest.
Of course Linus is going to do a reaction to this. And I am eagerly looking forward to that. And maybe we can have some back and forth video battles between the two channels just for fun. Would love that.
I got it. Your joke landed just fine, but I was still waiting for this video.
Jeff don't feed the trolls. You provide the most clear and honest information on the internet. Keep the amazing work going.
My only issue is that there wasn’t much emphasis put onto the magnetic lid case. That’s a great feature that deserves more attention.
I'm just glad enough time has now passed since the fidget spinner fad that it needs to be demonstrated to a youtube audience what an actual fidget spinner is...
Heh, the pop bubble fad seems like it followed the fidget spinner fad. Not sure what the current one is-maybe squishy things?
We can see it was fun making but some people are just too precious! Don't backtrack Jeff just set Red Shirt on them!
oh man, i commented on another comment thinking you had missed the aluminium version. i needed a spinoff of the aluminium ifixit driver and the ltt driver. i guess some dreams will have to go unfullfilled :P
Linus made a big point about the fidget feature, because a ton of people love to fidget with the larger LTT driver and its ratcheting mechanism. They very much had making it a fidget toy and a screwdriver in mind from the start. This is something the LTT audiance seems to really be into, and I am too. But unlike the LTT screwdriver, the bit driver is more of a fun gimmick for their audiance than something you would recommend as "the best precision driver" or anything like that. It's good, but the price is high for what it does. It's not too high for what it IS, but it's high for what utility it brings. That said, I think the full kit for $50 is high but not crazy, considering that the LTT bits and case are actually a lot more innovative than the driver itself.
I didn't read any comments on the other video. It was entertaining.
I'm not planning to replace my iFixit kit I bought in 2018. Still works for my tech stuff
Happy 🎃, Jeff. I thought it was a fine vid.
Happy halloween!
I'm not native English and it landed perfectly. Don't change anything. This is even more funny that you have to do a video to explain the joke.😂
I like this follow up video reflecting on the feedback you received. Happy Halloween Jeff!
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You mean that the fidget spinner actually serves a purpose? Damn it all, you just spoiled all my fidgeting fun Jeff!
I thought it was a joke/fun video. It was great Jeff!
I thought the video was perfect and it's absurd you had to make this follow up. Still glad the original video is exactly how you made it. Don't change a thing, Jeff!
heh, I thought the first part of the video was hilarious! :D Its merch. Like 90% of Amazon isnt full of the same stuff someone already came out with...
Have a great weekend too!
Thanks!
Love you Jeff! Don't worry about it. Getting angry at stuff is basically the #1 thing on the Internet. At least it's great for the algorithm.
I got what you wanted to say. Can't really understand how one could misunderstand.
I'm annoyed for you that you had to make this video. The video was perfect, Jeff!
There is no reason you should have had to make this followup video but kudos to you for making sure those people are addressed.
All in fun but only for those that get it. Thanks for the content.
The thing that might make it worth $10 that I saw in the comments of the original is the stronger magnets: I know that Linus is obsessed with making the magnets the right strength, and at least one person mentioned how not having to unrack and shake a server to get the dropped screw out was worth way more than $10.
I don't have my magnetometer (my Dad has it and I wasn't able to get it from him), but I would've liked to include that test as well. Though by feel, the iFixit seems to be pretty decent still, magnet-wise.
@@Level2Jeff Maybe see if your phone has one (magnetometer). Some phones do. It might not be calibrated but still good enough just for comparing.
You get to have fun, even if some people don't get it.
In the end it's another creative stab in the dark, some work better than others! On to the next video though, something I've been working on for weeks!
Title of Video: Its More than Just a Fidget Spinner ! It slices it dices and you can use it in thousands of ways.
Jeff, I believe the problem wasn't the jokes, I think the problem was how long you stretched the joke.
You spent several minutes there, I found myself wondering if it was a joke or if you were serious.
But I liked the video and the conclusion.
your jokes landed perfectly. no other spiny screwdriver has ever had a fidget spinner, would not buy it for that either even if I have ADHD. i think the captive bit system would be the selling point for me. I hope iFixit copies that cos I can get it here with amazon and not LTT's (lol)
The joke was lil long but still it was a perfect video by you.
The big kit from iFixit is called the Manta. I happen to have one and love it. When I first saw the LTT screwdriver kit, I thought it was actually an iFixit kit with LTT branding that iFixit made in collaboration with LTT for promotional purposes.
Living in Europe, LTT is not really an option for me. Taxes and shipping for something like this kit add up to about $40-50.
Lots of fidget spinners in my household. We got the joke just fine. :)
Good lord, they're just screw drivers, everyone needs to relax
Your communication was fine Jeff, fidget spinner was a JOKE, I think most of us got that. (I was one of the people who pointed out the Mako had a different driver since you didn't, but that's also fine.) The issue is that there is Internet Drama because this is LTT.
Index finger, not palming nor pinching it. It's for one-handed operations.
I rather enjoyed it, even if it took me a moment or two to realise the tongue-in-cheek nature of some of the comparisons 😊 Let’s face it, there’s only so much you can say about screwdrivers otherwise 😊
Props for calling a spade a spade.
But it's a screwdriver!!
@ lol yes!
WANShow,... let's spin the top and depending on how long it sins there is a discount...
I feel like at that point it should be mocked a little at this point...
Hehe, the people who are like "that's *not* a fidget spinner!" I think haven't followed any coverage of the thing from LMG.
I admit I was confused. It felt like a very elaborate, very sarcastic takedown. Which felt out of character. But then after some agonisingly long fidget spinner details, it wasn't the sarcastic takedown. But it sorta was.
i like ifixit's mission
I immediately got the joke, so checked the comments just to see if there are people whondid not. And of course there were.
My harbor freight Quinn brand 87 pc 'professional electronics repair kit' has an all metal driver with a free spinning bearing on the bottom, similar to LMG's. It weighs about 3g more than my Mako driver and slightly longer, which my gorilla hands actually prefer.
It's usually $35 but I got it on sale. Quality is suspiciously good and includes tools similar to iFixit's Jimmy, spudgers, etc. The bit set is basically a 64 piece clone of the Mako. I highly recommend it above these for the price.
i'm not sure why this particular joke or comment required a whole video… Jeff you're one of the most genuine people on TH-cam… But this only reinforces my distaste for anything having to do with Linus tech tips… I'm not sure why you are associated with them… But please keep doing what you're doing. You're doing great work
"Sometimes a screwdriver is just a screwdriver." -Sigmund Freud...maybe?
Do you know how hard I tried to open the top of my Mako kit precision driver because of your video? I finally stopped when you started talking about the rubberized handle.
Oops, sorry about that!
honestly i was just confused about the vibe because it didnt feel like your normal videos i watch
I liked the fidget spinner comparison. It was a nice nod.
I think I'm in the camp of "got the joke, but found it disingenuous due to missing context/after you kept going." It *could* have been funny, had it fallen into either "joke in a serious review" or "parody review" territory, but for me it landed in "I'm pushing one over the other so I'm going to harp on this one detail even if it's silly" territory.
For instance, it didn't seem communicated at all that any of the other precision drivers *had* a spinny top? So it seemed like you were going "spinny top vs no spinny top." With that context of "everything has a spinny top," it makes more sense.
What I gleaned from the summary of the end of the video was "The only thing that the LTT precision driver adds is a fidget spinner, and that isn't worth $10." which rubbed me the wrong way as well, and solidified the "disingenuous" feeling i was getting.
Why did it rub you the wrong way? Can't handle criticism of Linus and his tool xerox?
The bearing is useless, except as a children's toy. A simple spinning top is cheaper and works just as well.
You can't screw at the spinner speed, fiction alone would prevent that.
@@bzuidgeest The og video was definitely disingenuous and seemed half baked at best. It was a huge misstep on Jeff's part and not posting this on his main channel with the og video doesn't restore much confidence in his content. Almost half the video is spent just trying to make a (very bad) joke of a feature that many people find very useful while masquerading as a genuine comparison of two competing products. On top of that Jeff compares LTT's driver against the cheaper plastic cap iFixit driver instead of the aluminum version which also has the metal bearing type endcap. Although both drivers compete in the same space, its not exactly an apples to apples comparison and it just makes it feel like that version of the iFixit driver was intentionally ignored just so this ridiculous joke could be included. Yes, many drivers have caps that spin but moving from a plastic on plastic spinner to one that uses a bearing is a night and day difference. The bearing version doesn't bind up under pressure like the plastic ones and it can last years longer than a plastic one under heavy use, I've owned and used the same iFixit Aluminum Precision Bit driver for over 8 years now and would not hesitate for a single second to replace it with the exact same one even if it cost $40 for the driver alone with how much easier it has made my job over those eight years. The bearing version with the heavier metal body also spins much easier and freely even when removing or installing screws allowing most of the screws to be installed or removed with a single flick of the handle while just resting your palm on the end cap. If you really want to see how much of a difference that metal bearing makes. Get a plastic spinning version and a bearing version, Find a laptop where screws need to be removed to take off the bottom, then spend 8 hours with each screw driver just removing and reinstalling that bottom plate over and over again. You'll never want to use a plastic driver ever again. Calling the feature a children's toy or making a 6+ minute long video calling it a joke just shows how ignorant you are of the feature and how it improves the usefulness and ease of use of the tool.
@@stevecole90099 another one of you, get over yourself. It's a screwdriver. If you really worked with the ifixit version for eight years, that only proves that the LTT version is a useless upgrade that can spin faster then friction will let screws turn. Therefore it's over engineered for its purpose. It's something for Linus to squeeze money out of his group of sycophants of which you seem a member.
@@stevecole90099 Id argue that depends on the person, though. I've used plastic cheap precision screwdrivers and much nicer precision drivers with bearings and for me the difference is negligible. Even when using them for hours at a time unscrewing and rescrewing screws on hardware. For me, the increased cost of the LTT driver isnt worth it.
@@mitchk7655 That's kind of the problem though. Jeff clearly comes from the same camp on these, cheap is fine. But he didn't make that clear from the start, and instead did a half-baked comparison and a bunch of jokes about the gimmick being a gimmick while discounting a bunch of real improvements on the case, bit storage, bit design, and other things. Not to mention the egregious error of not even bothering to compare to the actually comparable product. And this is all after doing a proper review of the previous product.
It's fine to be a "they are all basically the same so just buy the cheap one" person. But it came off in his main vid, as more of an extended insult to people who expected a real review and genuinely care about quality tools and actually do see a difference with them. For 10USD, I'd happily pay for 1% efficiency increase for a tool I might use 5 hours per week for the next 10 years, just for the sake of reducing hand fatigue. Jeff said a light driver is better for him whereas I prefer a better grip and smooth spinning top (which ifixit's better driver offers), but none of that made it to his main video.
I doubt it was intended but Jeff came off really bad in that video. I think bad enough that it's worth him buying the correct comparison kit and doing a proper review. I think he missed the mark badly and treated people who respect his opinion like fools and wasted their time, when going hard in either direction to serious review or parody/funny joke video would have been preferable.
I'm kind of disappointed because this is the only review of these that I've bothered to click on, because I value Jeff's insights normally. All to watch him be unable to focus on anything useful and just obsess with a feature that was always a gimmick and likely wasn't a major factor in the higher cost in the first place. An actual review of the benefits, downsides and cost differences would really be desirable at this point. He doesn't have to like it, but at least tell us why, don't announce that you're paying $10 for a fidget spinner top when it clearly goes to many cumulative differences.
Oh no, unexpected engagement!
Someone's jeal---ous!... Jeff's Mom--"STOP playing with your screwdriver, Jeff!! Why didn't you think of that!"
"Have a great w.." WHAT?! Who's gonna be Jeff Geerling until next time?!
My cheapest spinner was £1.68 including postage, handle only. It works I have several others at varying prices scattered about the universe.
At first I did genuinely did think you where confused but watching the rest of the video it became evident
With the original review, I get wanting to make some jokes here and there - my main gripe wash ow much time you spent on the joke.
Sticking a fidget spinner on top of the iFixit screwdriver? Genuinely hilarious
But going on with the joke to benchmark the "spin-iness" of it was where I was over it
I found the video low-key hilarious. Fantastic deadpan humour, and I thought it was in good taste though I haven't been particularly privy to the drama. Shame the jokes didn't land.
I didn't doubt you know what the spinning cap is used for, but it was not clear to me that the others also had one. If I had to choose between the 2 the spinning top and the slightly different bits would be the main points, so it's good to know that it doesn't really matter
i guess i've been watching you're channel too long? the deadpan delivery is what i subscribe for lol. maybe we needed red shirt jeff to get medieval on it to really hammer things home? maybe what started out as a joke video segued too hard into somewhat of an actual review with the ltt/noname/ifixit comparisons, the macbook repair and then whatever "controversy" is going on?
So the vid went off on a different bearing than intended ...
Ooh. I skipped over it because I don't care for screwdriver reviews. Now I know it's funny, it's totally going in the watch later list.
It's all good. I liked that the review was different!!
you spent 5 minutes on the fidget spinner bit, basically the first half of the video was introducing the tools and fidget spinner; it's not a surprise that the joke didn't land
I bought a precision screw driver set in a hardware store on about 2018. it had a fidget spinning top and was great, too bad that the shaft was stretched wide over time
When you beat a horse to death in ... not one ... but ... two videos, do NOT be surprised that you have a dead horse or two left over and PETA wanting to do bodily harm to you.
"There is not one way you use your screwdriver" reminds me that everything can be a hammer xD
I got the joke, but it was kind of like some SNL skits that go too long, and you just put way more time into telling the joke instead of getting back to the review. Like the guy that goes, "Get it? It's a fidget spinner! Fidget spinners are toys. And this screwdriver has one. Fidget. Spinner." But hey, we all still love you anyway.
Also, I'm pretty sure you just showed every way but the correct way to hold a precision screwdriver. I'll just assume that was a joke within the explanation of another joke.
All of my Jeweler's screwdrivers have a piece that spins. They've been made that way for many decades.
It made me giggle on my journey home from work. Don't worry.
loved the humor, it landed
It sucks people don't get that you were being silly with the first half-ish of the main channel video.
I also realize, I have a bit of dry humor, and it's usually limited to one or two quick snips in a video. This time I let it play out a little more (and I didn't fully script the video-I usually don't do that on the main channel!). Heh, maybe I'll try to keep it a little more muted when I deal with LTT stuff next time!
@Level2Jeff I think the inter-channel thing and the ifixit drama just blended with your dry wit to make a powdery shake that needed more water.
@@Level2Jeff I'm British. Dry humour, dead-pan delivery - it's recognised and appreciated as an art form. Don't change!
ok so like,, as someone who's currently waiting for the ltt precision to arrive who already has an ifixit kit with the plastic screwdriver and has tried the metal version: i never found myself seriously using the bit storage on the plastic ifixit driver bc it's just too fiddly and not smooth enough. i also have a magnet implanted between my right index and thumb where i hold bits i'm very excited about being able to transfer between my hand and the internal storage. i also find that the plastic just isn't sturdy enough and the rubber is much less grippy than metal ifixit ones i've used, especially since i frequently work on devices with dozens of screws. additionally i frequently find that the magnet just isn't strong enough to pull screws out of holes sometimes and am hoping the ltt to be better at that. lastly i just deeply care about smooth operation without any scratchyness, i'm the type of person who designs and builds my own mechanical keyboards just so i can have it feel exactly right. therefore i don't think any other precision screwdriver would cut it for me and i'm very excited for the upgrade to my kit to arrive. i feel like you're just not very discerning when it comes to precision screwdriver design and should have just not reviewed it if you don't really care about the details.