Thank you so much for these interviews. Jungian analysts have what we call "the gift of the gab". I could listen to you and your interviewees for hours. I find John Beebe's reflection on his relationship with his father quite moving. I hope you'll be able to interview Dr Anthony Stevens one of these days. I watched his film '"The Life and Work of Dr Anthony Stevens" on here. He's a fascinating man and Jungian analyst.
I would say that Jung's superior conscious, differentiated functions are both intuition and thinking. Differentiated means he could express both extroverted in introverted intuition and thinking. The evidence is in Jun'g huge volume of writings in his 18 volumes of the collected works. There is a difference between a persons type and a function. The four functions are archetypes, the elements in astrology and alchemy. pages. 203, 205, 208, 210, Mysterium Coniuncionis.. vol. 14, collected works. Jung could determine a persons type by reading their writing. Jung's idea of the intuition was multivalenced. What Jung meant about the intuition function is the animus, the archetypal masculine which is the Prometheus archetype and the wise old man, the archetype of meaning. The intuition encompasses ANY type of system including general systems theory and those of science.. Jungian theory is a psychological system of principles and ideas. Jung writes that the intuition is the animus archetype, the minds production of ideas and how those fit into a system. "Abstract intuition perceptions of ideational connections." Jung, P. 453, intuition, psychological types, vol. 6. The intuition organizes ideas and images in an unconscious way can only be detected afterwards. Jung, p. 231, Structure and Dynamics of the Unconscious. vol 8. I think it is a big mistake to assume that the Jung's idea of the intuition function is the imagination so Jung was not a thinker because he was a introverted intuitive type which means his worldview was too imaginary.. What about the idea of epiphany, All of the ideas in physics and quantum physics came from the production of ideas from the scientific intuition. Also there can be a science of projected, abstract meaning which is just as mind independent and objective as the physical sciences, but one has to know myth, archetype, and symbolism. This is the theoretical foundation of Jung's psychological types that is not known unless one reads every page of psychological types, vol six, and all of Jung's collected works. If one does not know what one's inferior function is, then one cannot judge another person including Jung accurately. Jung wrote that it is one's type that limits and determines one's judgment, which is " conditioned by personality type so every point of view is necessarily relative." MDR 207/198 By understanding the inferior function, one could get beyond one's type and bias which is why Jung wrote that to have a viewpoint with the least amount of bias, it must include all four functions, feeling, thinking, sensation and intuition.
Both the animus and anima according to Jung have an impersonal aspect to them. The animus includes a theory of knowledge which had to be developed and discovered. There is an a priori aspect to the idea and archetype. Jung, 75, 79, Archetypes of the collective unconscious, vol 9. Consequently, the idea and archetype must be the indispensable building blocks of knowledge.
This is a great interview/lecture on Jungian psychology. When it finally gets to the topic in the title of this video "homosexuality" and non-binary it doesn't impress me a bit. When asked about non-binary Beebe responds in terms of binary genders. One of the issues regarding Anima/Animus is that in Jung's time non-hetrosexual people were taboo, there was no opportunity to speak or write of them so that architype was constructed consisting only of them. Mitch Walker deals with that by introducing an additional architype although his only deals with gayness not any other gender. See th-cam.com/video/O3TEN2n_4w4/w-d-xo.html
He's based in the factual. Also, he emphasises a very important thing - namely, the sexualisation of archetypes which is an extremely limiting view. Maybe you should listen once again. Archetypes have no gender as such as they're not persons or figures.
I haven't listened to this lecture yet but from what I have across regarding jung and the anima. Is that if a male is over identified or takes part in a religion that worships anima figures then they are often homosexual. I don't find this true with myself as a person who takes part in shaktism the tantric worship of the feminine. I find with myself the energy that is represented in the anima figures of my religion such as Kali are a good representation of how energy manifests within myself. I also do find anima figures of dark goddesses represented in women to be highly attractive. Jung of course had somethings right but when it comes to some of the precipices of his ideas like integration of the anima, the shadow and destruction of the ego to an extent. That takes part in eastern cultures such as Hinduism. It reaches a point where you have to step out of the sphere of Jung and indulge in new ideas that disagree with him.
It is very important to have a thorough knowledge of the system one examines and judges, since it cannot be corroborated unless the subject has a knowledge of it. Intuition is the way the mind sees how ideas fit into a system or organized body of knowledge. It tells where something came from and where it is going in the future. The intuition a universal or general view and how an idea fits into a larger whole, a broad viewpoint. Therefore, it involves general principles like those in science which can predict observations accurately.
There is a definition section in the back of Jung's book Psychological Types, vol 6, C.W., that includes concrete thinking and abstract thinking. I am assuming concrete thinking is the orientation to the object like extroversion and abstract thinking is the orientation to the inner idea of the subject. Also to be more precise, Jung called an unbiased judgment a conscious whole judgment which involves thinking feeling sensation and intuition. Vol 11 c.w. The shadow in dreams represents the same sex identity. The self is both animus and anima so the psyche is androgynous. The animus and anima can always be projected no mater what a person's sexual preference is since there is an impersonal, invisible aspect to these archetypes. They don't only represent the concrete, physical man and woman, but the world parents. There can also be animus and anima possession through identification of the opposite sex
Jungian theory and typology is supported by a broad viewpoint of knowledge, philosophy, alchemy, religion, the occult, etc Jung also got an honorary doctorate degree in the physical sciences which he also studied. He has a medical degree. I think anyone who reads deeply into Jung's collected works will find him to be a deep thinker, and will conclude he must have developed his thinking function.
Geoffrey Hillend I’m not particularly educated, however I’ve made my way through all his published work and just have the Alchemy and Red book left. I do have to re read pages and passages all the time , bot to look up words and fully absorb it all. I suspect I’ll have to re read all of it in a few years
Geoffrey Hillend I’m not particularly educated, however I’ve made my way through all his published work and just have the Alchemy and Red book left. I do have to re read pages and passages all the time , bot to look up words and fully absorb it all. I suspect I’ll have to re read all of it in a few years
I think all archetypes are really non-binary. They present themselves as binary only because they are experienced in opposition to consciousness and one's ego identification. Which makes the phenomenon experienced more often than not symbolized in a binary way. But behind whatever image that emerges in the individual is an autonomous force that is itself non-binary. Is male the opposite of female? A human male has more in common with a human female than a rock. How then are male and female opposites? It would be more logical to call them different rather than opposites. But through identification with male or identification with female the psyche constellates the experience of opposites, the cognition of opposition. So then the psyche eventually experiences a contrary or rejected identity thought previously to be "not I". To further illustrate this when encountering the shadow which is often a same gender figure it is still experienced as opposite even though the same gender. The opposites are hero-villain protagonist-antagonist etc. When I read Jung's ideas of the opposites what he is referring to is the fact that we can gain knowledge by differentiating one thing from another (Logos) but the opposites themselves are interconnected halves of a whole (Eros). But the whole process of working with the opposites is that of gaining understanding of the differentiating and interconnecting functions as a psychic functions as a phenomena in and of themselves. My suspicion is that people who have a dominant rational functioning will likely insist on maintaining the binary of true and untrue, right and wrong, male and female, good and evil. While those with a dominant irrational function will see or sends the non binary whole and yet struggle to differentiate phenomena. One last note, a while ago I met a transgender woman who saw her self as non-binary and needed others to reflect back that sense of self back to her (or them). But what was striking was she also told me she had mastered a rare form of mathematics enough so to get a professorship at an Austrian University. She then went onto say that her gender dysphoria was expressed in an obsessive compulsion with mathematics. There was an uncontrollable drive of making fine precise mathematical differentiations, but underneath that a necessity of being recognized by themselves and others as being whole and undivided.
A view limited to reason and logic DOES NOT unite the opposites. It picks one as good and rejects the other as bad. The rational functions. The opposites do not exist without one another According to C. G. Jung, reason is always one sided. Alchemical studies. "The union of the opposites is a feat possible only by the superior intellect." Jung P. 148, Psychology and Alchemy. "There is no discrimination and cognition without a recognition of the opposites. Consequently, not anyone has all the opposites differentiated, The symbol of the self is a union of all opposites. Without opposites is either a one sided view of reason, or the infinite since all opposites can only be united by the self, Reason does not know how to unite the opposites. Only the intuition can do that. Without opposites can also be total unconsciousness as in non being and non existence.
@@matthewkopp2391 Good. To quote Jung word for word, "without duality, there is no discrimination and cognition." I think this quote is from volume 18 of the collected works of C. G Jung, the Symbolic life.. I agree with the idea that Eros represents unity with the vessel, vase and crater symbolism, the great round, wholeness etc. Logos would have to represent separation, but these can be reversed which is tricky. Concrete material things can be separate and the idea of the self can represent unity, so that the archetype of meaning would be a reverse and comparison to the whole. The self is similar to TAO philsophy the yang and yin, etc. The self would unite unity and separation.
??? Jung's mainstream popularity began in the 1960s. He was a countercultural icon. The essence of Jungian psychology is the constant transformation and evolution of the psyche. Plus it centers on the ambiguity of dreams. All of that is threatening to conservatives.
@@publiusovidius7386 - Yes, but it is rooted in culture and religion which are despised by the liberal left nowadays. It looks very one-sided. One way to think about it is to say Jung attracts only liberal people. Another way is to ask Why after reading Jung for most of your life are you still so one-sided ?!!
@@c.g.jungvideoarchive1148 Your premise is wrong. The left doesn't despise culture or spirituality. It despises narrow nationalism and organized doctrinal religions which tend to be patriarchal. So did Jung. Jung was a harsh critic of any religion that claims to have "the truth". Jung was especially harsh on Christianity, which he said was not ultimately psychologically viable because it undervalues the feminine, the chthonic, the body, and wholeness. Too much light and spirit. It would have to include the feminine in a quaternity and have a god that doesn't split off his own shadow onto an exterior figure, the devil. Interesting how he foreshadowed the accelerating collapse of Christianity in the industrialized West, because the flawed Jesus myth no longer speaks to people. The essence of Jungianism is individuation, or establishing the individual person's relation to his own unconscious, both its individual and its collect features. Not being sucked into narrow nationalism or organized religion. It looks like you have might have the same misinterpretation of Jung as Jordan Peterson who misuses the notion of the archetypes to try to impose rigid traditional gender roles.
@@publiusovidius7386 - I don't see why I shouldn't consider the pathology of the left to be as dangerous as the pathology of the right. For example Jung would be appalled by the exploits of so called Feminism. How about you people on the left sort out that nonsense and then lecture us about the undervalued feminine ?!
He is so incredibly eloquent and so wonderfully fluent in his typological theory. What a privilege to listen to!
I could listen to J. Beebe forever! Thank you
It is something of a cozy irony that Jungians shine best in the second half of life.
Life begins at 40
Great video ,please keep this series up ,great value to all interested in Jung
wow, thanks. great lecture/dialogue
Using the subtitles, at 56:56: "I loved Obama" becomes "I loved a bomber"...
synchronicity
Thank you so much for these interviews. Jungian analysts have what we call "the gift of the gab". I could listen to you and your interviewees for hours. I find John Beebe's reflection on his relationship with his father quite moving. I hope you'll be able to interview Dr Anthony Stevens one of these days. I watched his film '"The Life and Work of Dr Anthony Stevens" on here. He's a fascinating man and Jungian analyst.
I would say that Jung's superior conscious, differentiated functions are both intuition and thinking. Differentiated means he could express both extroverted in introverted intuition and thinking. The evidence is in Jun'g huge volume of writings in his 18 volumes of the collected works. There is a difference between a persons type and a function. The four functions are archetypes, the elements in astrology and alchemy. pages. 203, 205, 208, 210, Mysterium Coniuncionis.. vol. 14, collected works. Jung could determine a persons type by reading their writing. Jung's idea of the intuition was multivalenced. What Jung meant about the intuition function is the animus, the archetypal masculine which is the Prometheus archetype and the wise old man, the archetype of meaning. The intuition encompasses ANY type of system including general systems theory and those of science.. Jungian theory is a psychological system of principles and ideas. Jung writes that the intuition is the animus archetype, the minds production of ideas and how those fit into a system. "Abstract intuition perceptions of ideational connections." Jung, P. 453, intuition, psychological types, vol. 6. The intuition organizes ideas and images in an unconscious way can only be detected afterwards. Jung, p. 231, Structure and Dynamics of the Unconscious. vol 8. I think it is a big mistake to assume that the Jung's idea of the intuition function is the imagination so Jung was not a thinker because he was a introverted intuitive type which means his worldview was too imaginary.. What about the idea of epiphany, All of the ideas in physics and quantum physics came from the production of ideas from the scientific intuition. Also there can be a science of projected, abstract meaning which is just as mind independent and objective as the physical sciences, but one has to know myth, archetype, and symbolism. This is the theoretical foundation of Jung's psychological types that is not known unless one reads every page of psychological types, vol six, and all of Jung's collected works. If one does not know what one's inferior function is, then one cannot judge another person including Jung accurately. Jung wrote that it is one's type that limits and determines one's judgment, which is " conditioned by personality type so every point of view is necessarily relative." MDR 207/198 By understanding the inferior function, one could get beyond one's type and bias which is why Jung wrote that to have a viewpoint with the least amount of bias, it must include all four functions, feeling, thinking, sensation and intuition.
Both the animus and anima according to Jung have an impersonal aspect to them. The animus includes a theory of knowledge which had to be developed and discovered. There is an a priori aspect to the idea and archetype. Jung, 75, 79, Archetypes of the collective unconscious, vol 9. Consequently, the idea and archetype must be the indispensable building blocks of knowledge.
This is a great interview/lecture on Jungian psychology. When it finally gets to the topic in the title of this video "homosexuality" and non-binary it doesn't impress me a bit. When asked about non-binary Beebe responds in terms of binary genders. One of the issues regarding Anima/Animus is that in Jung's time non-hetrosexual people were taboo, there was no opportunity to speak or write of them so that architype was constructed consisting only of them. Mitch Walker deals with that by introducing an additional architype although his only deals with gayness not any other gender. See th-cam.com/video/O3TEN2n_4w4/w-d-xo.html
He's based in the factual. Also, he emphasises a very important thing - namely, the sexualisation of archetypes which is an extremely limiting view. Maybe you should listen once again. Archetypes have no gender as such as they're not persons or figures.
@@kamilarosinska5404 talk about someone who should listen. He said that
I haven't listened to this lecture yet but from what I have across regarding jung and the anima. Is that if a male is over identified or takes part in a religion that worships anima figures then they are often homosexual. I don't find this true with myself as a person who takes part in shaktism the tantric worship of the feminine. I find with myself the energy that is represented in the anima figures of my religion such as Kali are a good representation of how energy manifests within myself. I also do find anima figures of dark goddesses represented in women to be highly attractive. Jung of course had somethings right but when it comes to some of the precipices of his ideas like integration of the anima, the shadow and destruction of the ego to an extent. That takes part in eastern cultures such as Hinduism. It reaches a point where you have to step out of the sphere of Jung and indulge in new ideas that disagree with him.
It is very important to have a thorough knowledge of the system one examines and judges, since it cannot be corroborated unless the subject has a knowledge of it. Intuition is the way the mind sees how ideas fit into a system or organized body of knowledge. It tells where something came from and where it is going in the future. The intuition a universal or general view and how an idea fits into a larger whole, a broad viewpoint. Therefore, it involves general principles like those in science which can predict observations accurately.
There is a definition section in the back of Jung's book Psychological Types, vol 6, C.W., that includes concrete thinking and abstract thinking. I am assuming concrete thinking is the orientation to the object like extroversion and abstract thinking is the orientation to the inner idea of the subject. Also to be more precise, Jung called an unbiased judgment a conscious whole judgment which involves thinking feeling sensation and intuition. Vol 11 c.w. The shadow in dreams represents the same sex identity. The self is both animus and anima so the psyche is androgynous. The animus and anima can always be projected no mater what a person's sexual preference is since there is an impersonal, invisible aspect to these archetypes. They don't only represent the concrete, physical man and woman, but the world parents. There can also be animus and anima possession through identification of the opposite sex
Jungian theory and typology is supported by a broad viewpoint of knowledge, philosophy, alchemy, religion, the occult, etc Jung also got an honorary doctorate degree in the physical sciences which he also studied. He has a medical degree. I think anyone who reads deeply into Jung's collected works will find him to be a deep thinker, and will conclude he must have developed his thinking function.
Geoffrey Hillend I’m not particularly educated, however I’ve made my way through all his published work and just have the Alchemy and Red book left. I do have to re read pages and passages all the time , bot to look up words and fully absorb it all. I suspect I’ll have to re read all of it in a few years
Geoffrey Hillend I’m not particularly educated, however I’ve made my way through all his published work and just have the Alchemy and Red book left. I do have to re read pages and passages all the time , bot to look up words and fully absorb it all. I suspect I’ll have to re read all of it in a few years
It’s difficult to type anyone experiencing Pluto transits. And most of Jung’s insights were those astrological events.
What is the iPad recording by the window?
I think all archetypes are really non-binary.
They present themselves as binary only because they are experienced in opposition to consciousness and one's ego identification. Which makes the phenomenon experienced more often than not symbolized in a binary way.
But behind whatever image that emerges in the individual is an autonomous force that is itself non-binary.
Is male the opposite of female? A human male has more in common with a human female than a rock. How then are male and female opposites? It would be more logical to call them different rather than opposites.
But through identification with male or identification with female the psyche constellates the experience of opposites, the cognition of opposition. So then the psyche eventually experiences a contrary or rejected identity thought previously to be "not I".
To further illustrate this when encountering the shadow which is often a same gender figure it is still experienced as opposite even though the same gender. The opposites are hero-villain protagonist-antagonist etc.
When I read Jung's ideas of the opposites what he is referring to is the fact that we can gain knowledge by differentiating one thing from another (Logos) but the opposites themselves are interconnected halves of a whole (Eros). But the whole process of working with the opposites is that of gaining understanding of the differentiating and interconnecting functions as a psychic functions as a phenomena in and of themselves.
My suspicion is that people who have a dominant rational functioning will likely insist on maintaining the binary of true and untrue, right and wrong, male and female, good and evil. While those with a dominant irrational function will see or sends the non binary whole and yet struggle to differentiate phenomena.
One last note, a while ago I met a transgender woman who saw her self as non-binary and needed others to reflect back that sense of self back to her (or them).
But what was striking was she also told me she had mastered a rare form of mathematics enough so to get a professorship at an Austrian University.
She then went onto say that her gender dysphoria was expressed in an obsessive compulsion with mathematics.
There was an uncontrollable drive of making fine precise mathematical differentiations, but underneath that a necessity of being recognized by themselves and others as being whole and undivided.
A view limited to reason and logic DOES NOT unite the opposites. It picks one as good and rejects the other as bad. The rational functions. The opposites do not exist without one another According to C. G. Jung, reason is always one sided. Alchemical studies. "The union of the opposites is a feat possible only by the superior intellect." Jung P. 148, Psychology and Alchemy. "There is no discrimination and cognition without a recognition of the opposites. Consequently, not anyone has all the opposites differentiated, The symbol of the self is a union of all opposites. Without opposites is either a one sided view of reason, or the infinite since all opposites can only be united by the self, Reason does not know how to unite the opposites. Only the intuition can do that. Without opposites can also be total unconsciousness as in non being and non existence.
The self is both animus and anima, Logos and Eros. The whole cannot be only Eros
Geoffrey Hillend I believe we have a similar understanding of this but we are stating it differently. I concur with everything you wrote.
@@matthewkopp2391 Good. To quote Jung word for word, "without duality, there is no discrimination and cognition." I think this quote is from volume 18 of the collected works of C. G Jung, the Symbolic life.. I agree with the idea that Eros represents unity with the vessel, vase and crater symbolism, the great round, wholeness etc. Logos would have to represent separation, but these can be reversed which is tricky. Concrete material things can be separate and the idea of the self can represent unity, so that the archetype of meaning would be a reverse and comparison to the whole. The self is similar to TAO philsophy the yang and yin, etc. The self would unite unity and separation.
Isn't it strange that all so-called Jungians are really left-leaning nowadays?
are they?
???
Jung's mainstream popularity began in the 1960s. He was a countercultural icon. The essence of Jungian psychology is the constant transformation and evolution of the psyche. Plus it centers on the ambiguity of dreams. All of that is threatening to conservatives.
@@publiusovidius7386 - Yes, but it is rooted in culture and religion which are despised by the liberal left nowadays. It looks very one-sided. One way to think about it is to say Jung attracts only liberal people. Another way is to ask Why after reading Jung for most of your life are you still so one-sided ?!!
@@c.g.jungvideoarchive1148 Your premise is wrong. The left doesn't despise culture or spirituality. It despises narrow nationalism and organized doctrinal religions which tend to be patriarchal. So did Jung. Jung was a harsh critic of any religion that claims to have "the truth".
Jung was especially harsh on Christianity, which he said was not ultimately psychologically viable because it undervalues the feminine, the chthonic, the body, and wholeness. Too much light and spirit. It would have to include the feminine in a quaternity and have a god that doesn't split off his own shadow onto an exterior figure, the devil. Interesting how he foreshadowed the accelerating collapse of Christianity in the industrialized West, because the flawed Jesus myth no longer speaks to people.
The essence of Jungianism is individuation, or establishing the individual person's relation to his own unconscious, both its individual and its collect features. Not being sucked into narrow nationalism or organized religion.
It looks like you have might have the same misinterpretation of Jung as Jordan Peterson who misuses the notion of the archetypes to try to impose rigid traditional gender roles.
@@publiusovidius7386 - I don't see why I shouldn't consider the pathology of the left to be as dangerous as the pathology of the right. For example Jung would be appalled by the exploits of so called Feminism. How about you people on the left sort out that nonsense and then lecture us about the undervalued feminine ?!
Obviously internalized the Bush era complex and became politically traumatized.