... the Pennsylvania after Pearl Harbor ... she earned the nick-name ... "The Angry Sister" ... she fired more shells in support of landing operations in the Pacific then any other battle ship ... she was famous for having to re-load ammunition more then any other ship ... several times she expended all of her 16" shells ...
Battleships that were built in the 30's and 40's weren't really what you would consider super dreadnaughts. They're fast battleships. And the USS North Carolina is the first generation of fast battleships in the US Navy. Super dreadnaughts have slower speeds and have more of an emphasis on armor protection coupled together with great offensive capabilities. Fast battleships, by comparison, have higher speeds, great offensive capabilities, but DON'T compromise too much on armor protection unlike the older battlecruisers of World War 1, and to an extent, the Interwar Period. Also, I wouldn't put North Carolina over the South Dakota. During North Carolina's construction, the original design was to be armed with a brand new 14-inch gun. But because of rising tensions in Europe, the escalator clause happened, giving the North Carolina-class the more powerful 16-inch/45cal mk6 gun. However, their armor protection was only effective against its own original 14-inch guns and not the new 16-inch gun. Unlike the South Dakota-class and Iowa-class. Plus, you failed to mention the Colorado-class. They were the pinnacle of American standard-type battleships in the world, like how the Iowa-class is the pinnacle of the fast battleships.
The 4 Iowa Class ships were the ultimate evolution of the battleship concept. Fast, well protected, and, the 16"/50 Mk 7s were the BEST naval rifles ever mounted on a ship.
The USS New Jersey BB-62, is actually the most highly decorated battleship to ever serve in the U.S. Navy, having won more battle stars than any other battleship.
I got to visit USS Massachusetts in Fall River, MA back when I went to boarding school in Boston. When you walk on her deck and stand next to her guns, you understand why her crew nicknamed her "Big Mamie".
The Texas was a formidable battleship . She should be on this list. Surviving TWO World Wars and still afloat. Don’t get me wrong, my hats off to ALL the Battle ships . THEY were the true workhorses. I wish we still had them today.
The Colorado-class were probably the best of the 16" gun battleships in the world until treaty restrictions were relaxed in the later 1930s. Compared to the Japanese Nagato-class, the Colorados were much better armored, if slower. Overall they proved to be a much better balanced and effective 16" design than pretty much anything else produced until the North Carolina class. I would not classify the Nelsons as better ships overall due to their awkward design and the fact that they literally damaged themselves when their guns fired and could not remain on-station for fire support for very long as a result; it's not good when all the plumbing fixtures in the entire front half of the ship are broken from the guns' shockwave.
You didn't mention the Colorado class. These were the first class to use 16 inch guns, although only 8, 2 in each of the 4 turrets, and were the ultimate evolution of the U.S. "standard battleships" begun with the Nevada class.
The Colorado class is actually a super dreadnought. Colorado, Maryland and West Virginia were the last class before the Washington Naval Treaty. They were the most powerful ships we had until the North Carolina class.
The 12.1" armor on the South Dakota class ships wasn't as thick as the finest British treaty battleships, the King George V class, had. Theirs was up to 14.7".
@@michaelpielorz9283 Not at all - a SoDak would've eaten Bismarck for breakfast. They were armored against their own guns, which were more powerful than Bismarck's. The Hun's only advantage was speed, so running would have been the only winning move for them.
@@michaelpielorz9283 When comparing belt armor thickness and effectiveness, one must differentiate between vertical armor, as on the King George V class, and inclined armor, as on HMS Hood, the NelRods, the SoDaks and the Iowas. Given the 19° inclination of the armor on the SoDaks and Iowas and the ~19° fall of Bismarck's shells at the ~20,000 yard range the Battle of the Denmark Strait was fought at, those 15" shells, given their average armor penetration, would have been hard pressed to penetrate South Dakota's armor, given hitting at ~38°. Now, the 16"/45 guns of the American ship would have hit at more than 19° because of the Mark 8 Superheavy shell's ballistic profile, but Bismarck's armor was vertical or close to vertical, and the Mark 8 had better penetration capabilities than Krup's finest. Battleship design was a story of options and compromises. Bismarck was the finest example of WW I thinking ever to float, which is why a Treaty battleship designed to more modern standards could be a better, more capable ship... Even though they displaced 18,000 tons less.
Not sure why this couldn't have been a top 8; the Colorados were basically the Tennessee but better. They were unbelievably tanky for non-fast battleships. The Maryland herself survived punishment from aircraft.
Why these Old US BB looks like two Different ships between the 1941 and 1945 I like the USS Pennsylvania BB-38 1945 vision I hope the WOWS and Warthunder can develop this ship in 2024
The Nevada class BBs came out the same year as the Pennsylvania class BBs and not in 1910. That was the South Carolina class. The first super dreadnaught class BBs was the Texas class BBs. LOL 😝 on the last one.
You botched the profiles between New Mexico and Tennessee.....among other mistakes. Interesting vid, but better research, and attention to detail is warranted
they did not say pennslyania is sunk in pearl. if you are saying in 2:34 That is a model of pennsylvania class arizona. And arizona indeed sunk during the pearl harbour attack.
... the Pennsylvania after Pearl Harbor ... she earned the nick-name ... "The Angry Sister" ... she fired more shells in support of landing operations in the Pacific then any other battle ship ... she was famous for having to re-load ammunition more then any other ship ... several times she expended all of her 16" shells ...
14" guns on Pennsylvania.
Girl was also firing salvos for her sister, Arizona.
Battleships that were built in the 30's and 40's weren't really what you would consider super dreadnaughts. They're fast battleships. And the USS North Carolina is the first generation of fast battleships in the US Navy. Super dreadnaughts have slower speeds and have more of an emphasis on armor protection coupled together with great offensive capabilities. Fast battleships, by comparison, have higher speeds, great offensive capabilities, but DON'T compromise too much on armor protection unlike the older battlecruisers of World War 1, and to an extent, the Interwar Period. Also, I wouldn't put North Carolina over the South Dakota. During North Carolina's construction, the original design was to be armed with a brand new 14-inch gun. But because of rising tensions in Europe, the escalator clause happened, giving the North Carolina-class the more powerful 16-inch/45cal mk6 gun. However, their armor protection was only effective against its own original 14-inch guns and not the new 16-inch gun. Unlike the South Dakota-class and Iowa-class. Plus, you failed to mention the Colorado-class. They were the pinnacle of American standard-type battleships in the world, like how the Iowa-class is the pinnacle of the fast battleships.
The 4 Iowa Class ships were the ultimate evolution of the battleship concept. Fast, well protected, and, the 16"/50 Mk 7s were the BEST naval rifles ever mounted on a ship.
The USS New Jersey BB-62, is actually the most highly decorated battleship to ever serve in the U.S. Navy, having won more battle stars than any other battleship.
The Montana class would have been the ultimate expression of a battleship, trading five knots of speed for twelve 16"/50 guns and thicker armor.
Designed but never built. A what if moment@johngregory4801
@@patrickmccrann991 True. Sucks that Montana had her keel laid, then they decided not to continue building her.
I got to visit USS Massachusetts in Fall River, MA back when I went to boarding school in Boston. When you walk on her deck and stand next to her guns, you understand why her crew nicknamed her "Big Mamie".
Same for Alabama.
The Texas was a formidable battleship . She should be on this list. Surviving TWO World Wars and still afloat. Don’t get me wrong, my hats off to ALL the Battle ships . THEY were the true workhorses. I wish we still had them today.
One small error the NC Class was launched before the South Dakotas.
And debuted the 16"/45 guns that were also used on the SoDaks.
USS Pennsylvania was not sunk at Pearl Harbor it was in dry dock.
The Colorado-class were probably the best of the 16" gun battleships in the world until treaty restrictions were relaxed in the later 1930s. Compared to the Japanese Nagato-class, the Colorados were much better armored, if slower. Overall they proved to be a much better balanced and effective 16" design than pretty much anything else produced until the North Carolina class. I would not classify the Nelsons as better ships overall due to their awkward design and the fact that they literally damaged themselves when their guns fired and could not remain on-station for fire support for very long as a result; it's not good when all the plumbing fixtures in the entire front half of the ship are broken from the guns' shockwave.
You didn't mention the Colorado class. These were the first class to use 16 inch guns, although only 8, 2 in each of the 4 turrets, and were the ultimate evolution of the U.S. "standard battleships" begun with the Nevada class.
The Colorado class is actually a super dreadnought. Colorado, Maryland and West Virginia were the last class before the Washington Naval Treaty. They were the most powerful ships we had until the North Carolina class.
Nevada,and Pennsylvania classes over the Colorado class?
I love the abrupt mid sentence ending.
I think they missed the Colorado class. While they only had 8 16" guns they were the pinnacle of the Standard Type battleship concept of the WWI era.
Why not included the colorado class buzz
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You are impressed by this error filled video?
And #8 The Montana Class. It's Would Had Been Glorious. (smile)
The 12.1" armor on the South Dakota class ships wasn't as thick as the finest British treaty battleships, the King George V class, had. Theirs was up to 14.7".
so those Ships could be called Bismarck fodder(:_)
@@michaelpielorz9283 Not at all - a SoDak would've eaten Bismarck for breakfast. They were armored against their own guns, which were more powerful than Bismarck's. The Hun's only advantage was speed, so running would have been the only winning move for them.
@@michaelpielorz9283 When comparing belt armor thickness and effectiveness, one must differentiate between vertical armor, as on the King George V class, and inclined armor, as on HMS Hood, the NelRods, the SoDaks and the Iowas. Given the 19° inclination of the armor on the SoDaks and Iowas and the ~19° fall of Bismarck's shells at the ~20,000 yard range the Battle of the Denmark Strait was fought at, those 15" shells, given their average armor penetration, would have been hard pressed to penetrate South Dakota's armor, given hitting at ~38°. Now, the 16"/45 guns of the American ship would have hit at more than 19° because of the Mark 8 Superheavy shell's ballistic profile, but Bismarck's armor was vertical or close to vertical, and the Mark 8 had better penetration capabilities than Krup's finest.
Battleship design was a story of options and compromises. Bismarck was the finest example of WW I thinking ever to float, which is why a Treaty battleship designed to more modern standards could be a better, more capable ship...
Even though they displaced 18,000 tons less.
Not sure why this couldn't have been a top 8; the Colorados were basically the Tennessee but better. They were unbelievably tanky for non-fast battleships. The Maryland herself survived punishment from aircraft.
Why these Old US BB looks like two Different ships between the 1941 and 1945
I like the USS Pennsylvania BB-38 1945 vision
I hope the WOWS and Warthunder can develop this ship in 2024
You're wrong about the Pennsylvania. She was in drydock during the at Pearl Harbor and sustained minimal damage.🙄
I guess the Colorado class didn't make the cut!
The Nevada class BBs came out the same year as the Pennsylvania class BBs and not in 1910. That was the South Carolina class. The first super dreadnaught class BBs was the Texas class BBs. LOL 😝 on the last one.
In decisive battle I would still prefer battleships over aircraft carriers.
the USS Texas the last super dreadnought in the world, i like the 1880-1930 BS/BC designes, welcome to the video game "ultimate admiral dreadnought"
You botched the profiles between New Mexico and Tennessee.....among other mistakes.
Interesting vid, but better research, and attention to detail is warranted
The Pennsylvania was NOT sunk at Pearl...She was in a dry dock.
they did not say pennslyania is sunk in pearl. if you are saying in 2:34 That is a model of pennsylvania class arizona. And arizona indeed sunk during the pearl harbour attack.
Interesting video.
Thanks for sharing.
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