I actually heckled Artosis into correcting his armor calculations by 0.5 per level vs. mutas. I feel so proud of this stupid but important accomplishment. My next goal is to explain that "Polypoid" is actually "polyp + -oid," not "poly - + poid." It means "like a polyp," not "many poids." So a polypoid map is a map shaped like a polyp (the larva of a jellyfish, coral, etc.), hence the radial structure with many paths.
thank you so much for casting those games, out of all the starcraft casters right now you're my favorite one, I watch the new uploads every day before sleep, very interesting games and your commentary adds great value and makes it more fun to watch
Audio being off is too distracting. Please re-upload this video and your previous one because it suffered the same problem. I always look forward to your casts!
It's crazy to see for how long 5 base protoss can fend off 7 base zerg waves. Psionic storm does trade very efficiently. Very nice to see raw hydras being added at the end as more templars were transitioning into archons to counter ling/lurker/dark swarm. Great game on both sides !
Games like this always remind me how crazy strong Zerg is. They generally get more bases, that last longer, they have strong kill threat at almost every point of the game where they can just say 'okay you didn't know exactly what I was doing, now you die', crazy defense, crazy good scaling... What is Zerg's real weakness? Lmao. Aside from having a few drones picked off to an early Zealot it's like... You need perfect storms.
I'm by no means an expert but I'll take a stab at this one. Getting supply blocked as zerg can be devastating. Also a lesser amount of corsairs can win a straight up fight against a larger force of mutas. When the corsairs got killed by the scourge, protoss not only lost their ability to defend against the muta flock but also lost any hope of being able to supply block zerg by possibly ambushing overlords. Corsairs can be very expensive and loosing that investment is a bummer.
If he'd lost any more corsairs and zerg had lost less health on his mutalisks, the protoss player may have been at a point where Zerg could simply overwhelm his base with mutalisks and scourge, which ends the game as mutalisks destroy all protoss probes uncontested.
You kind of see it in the game, his corsair count got low enough that they couldn't dominate the mutas. So when his zealots tried to attack and force zerglings to be made, the mutas just chased them and forced them back, leaving zerg unpressured. Zerg economy grows really fast if they are not forced to make defenses to survive. And as already mentioned this is the better outcome, if he had lost all corsairs the mutas just go into his main, kill the cannon and sit on the stargate killing every unit as it pops out.
The main problem is production speed. Zergs produce all their units from larva. But Protoss produces air units from a star gate. And at this game he had only one star gate. It took him half of the game to produce those corsairs and number was reset instantly. And as soon as you lose them - you lose map control and initiative. That means zerg can grab all bases he wants and attack anywhere he wants. Kinda the same story with tanks at TvP - Tanks are cheap - 150 100, they cost only a bit more than dragoons, but production speed is way slower, so if terran loses all his tanks - thats a bad sign usually.
Jaeyun Skill gap looked much higher than Sziky here. All Zergs need to do is spread their creep all around the map and A move with darkswarm. While Protoss has to manage multiple Spells, Prioritize Unit engagement like Archon vs Lings, Dragoon vs lurker. Micro strategic movement. Shuttle play, etc etc. MUCH HARDER THAN THESE CHIMPANZEE ZERG
Whats the best anything is obviously subjective and since BW is absolutely dead in the west and only has meaningful life in Korea it can't be the best anything. It would be alive and healthy if it was the best there ever was and it's not. All RTS just dies, SC2 has had a better life than BW ever had so that would make SC2 the best RTS Blizzard ever made, subjective unimportant opinions aside. Stats > opinion. I love BW too and believe it's the best RTS ever made but best game ever made? In my own subjective who gives a shit opinion, no, not even close. Peer to peer online is crap, ping cross continents is crap, no Blizzard support is crap. Playing vs the same 10 people all day everyday for years to come is crap. Taking the online into account, that would make BW a very mediocre game overall.
I really liked SC2 when it came out. Finally an engine with good pathfinding and things like units knowing to move a bit aside or the ones moving to push a bit into the others. Many many many other QoL improvements and a lot of cool ideas. But in the end SC:BW is just more entertaining. I guess that because it's so restrictive, so impossible to be perfect because of the unit selection and non smart cast and apm limits, then you always have to prioritise. And that's how every player has its own style. Which I'd say is more predominant that in SC2. I also like how the meta evolved for decades with basically no balance changes. Clearly no endless balance changes that basically every game does it now. The meta still isn't stale, the game is not perfectly mapped out, so to speak. There is no cap on the amount of strategy you can do/use in order to win. I don't care about the metrics you posted (why is ping across continents an argument, lol), for me it is the best game ever.
I HATE ZERGS VIGOROUSLY !!! ARRRGGHH WHAT A PAIN!!!! 🤬🤬🤬 NERF DEFILERS AND CRACKLINGS FFS Once you upgrade Attack speed And Movement Speed, Zerglings cost should increase from 50 to 75 mineral. And take more time to hatch. DarkSwarm should Buff armor to 255, not Make unit invincible And Defilers should have a cooldown with Consume HOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
LoL, curb your rage man. You really need to watch/play more games to realize just how close the balance is. And to realize just how stupid your proposed changes are, jeez.
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I actually heckled Artosis into correcting his armor calculations by 0.5 per level vs. mutas. I feel so proud of this stupid but important accomplishment. My next goal is to explain that "Polypoid" is actually "polyp + -oid," not "poly - + poid." It means "like a polyp," not "many poids." So a polypoid map is a map shaped like a polyp (the larva of a jellyfish, coral, etc.), hence the radial structure with many paths.
thank you so much for casting those games, out of all the starcraft casters right now you're my favorite one, I watch the new uploads every day before sleep, very interesting games and your commentary adds great value and makes it more fun to watch
This is the first time that I've seen butter where all the bases on the map were all taken.
The audio is a bit off :(
it's strangely distracting and annoying
Yep
Reminds me of wcg 2009 jaedong vs stork but we’re in 2023 xd
Unfortunately
I'm used to watching on bluetooth so i didn't even notice 😂
Great game. Audio issues will not be missed in future casts. Thank you for putting this on!
What a game. Thanks for casting. GGs!
Audio being off is too distracting. Please re-upload this video and your previous one because it suffered the same problem. I always look forward to your casts!
Oh my god the way Jayeun kept charging his zealots into mass lurkers was so unbelievably frustrating...
Good to see a game go long on Butter!
Teched out armies are such meat grinders.
It's crazy to see for how long 5 base protoss can fend off 7 base zerg waves. Psionic storm does trade very efficiently.
Very nice to see raw hydras being added at the end as more templars were transitioning into archons to counter ling/lurker/dark swarm.
Great game on both sides !
29:25 Arty speaks like a true poet
The winner played a great macro game that carried him.
Sziky has some wicked flanks, but Jaeyun had some really good holds. Helluva game indeed.
Arty please have the audio desync looked at, its really ruining the immersion quite a bit for alot of us. Cheers mate!
I love these grindy games
Starcraft BW is such a great game
For the record, im not a basement dwelling neckbeard, thus im not upset by the audio being off a bit.
First
Day9 you are without a doubt the best SCBW caster in the world. Love you and your content.
This is Artosis!
@@nandinoo lol I know bro
why are they called cracklings? to imply they're on crack cause they attack too fast? or that they crack things up?
Great Games!
Thank you!
Ngl I love seeing Zerg games, specially when they win against Protoss.
Loving the games, theyre so good!
Had to halt the attack to wait for new observers and then storms them by accident just when they arrive.. ouch
Games like this always remind me how crazy strong Zerg is. They generally get more bases, that last longer, they have strong kill threat at almost every point of the game where they can just say 'okay you didn't know exactly what I was doing, now you die', crazy defense, crazy good scaling... What is Zerg's real weakness? Lmao. Aside from having a few drones picked off to an early Zealot it's like... You need perfect storms.
12 units per group is prolly biggest one. Also units being vaporized under the storm.
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4:04
Hoo-RAH !
Woulda seemed like the perfect game to get +2 or +3 shields.
make sure the audio hits the corret timming and be careful of fps lordtosis
epic match!
Protoss is the underdog in PvZ
Hmm not on ladder
gg technical quirurgical game!! 👍👍👍👍
I think audio is early
And how about talking on five dimensions
As someone who doesn't play starcraft, can someone explain why scourge killing corsairs at ~9:00 is so bad for protoss
I'm by no means an expert but I'll take a stab at this one. Getting supply blocked as zerg can be devastating. Also a lesser amount of corsairs can win a straight up fight against a larger force of mutas. When the corsairs got killed by the scourge, protoss not only lost their ability to defend against the muta flock but also lost any hope of being able to supply block zerg by possibly ambushing overlords. Corsairs can be very expensive and loosing that investment is a bummer.
If he'd lost any more corsairs and zerg had lost less health on his mutalisks, the protoss player may have been at a point where Zerg could simply overwhelm his base with mutalisks and scourge, which ends the game as mutalisks destroy all protoss probes uncontested.
You kind of see it in the game, his corsair count got low enough that they couldn't dominate the mutas. So when his zealots tried to attack and force zerglings to be made, the mutas just chased them and forced them back, leaving zerg unpressured. Zerg economy grows really fast if they are not forced to make defenses to survive. And as already mentioned this is the better outcome, if he had lost all corsairs the mutas just go into his main, kill the cannon and sit on the stargate killing every unit as it pops out.
The main problem is production speed. Zergs produce all their units from larva. But Protoss produces air units from a star gate.
And at this game he had only one star gate.
It took him half of the game to produce those corsairs and number was reset instantly.
And as soon as you lose them - you lose map control and initiative. That means zerg can grab all bases he wants and attack anywhere he wants.
Kinda the same story with tanks at TvP - Tanks are cheap - 150 100, they cost only a bit more than dragoons, but production speed is way slower, so if terran loses all his tanks - thats a bad sign usually.
Ffs can u fix this audio sync
Holy Jesus. Please fix audio desync. It's so off putting
crazy
Artorias how are you
Great!)
woo!
Defenitely not korean micro/macro, It shows.
Jaeyun Skill gap looked much higher than Sziky here. All Zergs need to do is spread their creep all around the map and A move with darkswarm.
While Protoss has to manage multiple Spells, Prioritize Unit engagement like Archon vs Lings, Dragoon vs lurker. Micro strategic movement. Shuttle play, etc etc.
MUCH HARDER THAN THESE CHIMPANZEE ZERG
Like you have ahahahha
Jaeyun is a disappointment
"no one newer knows better" what a dum statement... Artosis alwasy knows better!
Whats the best anything is obviously subjective and since BW is absolutely dead in the west and only has meaningful life in Korea it can't be the best anything. It would be alive and healthy if it was the best there ever was and it's not. All RTS just dies, SC2 has had a better life than BW ever had so that would make SC2 the best RTS Blizzard ever made, subjective unimportant opinions aside. Stats > opinion. I love BW too and believe it's the best RTS ever made but best game ever made? In my own subjective who gives a shit opinion, no, not even close. Peer to peer online is crap, ping cross continents is crap, no Blizzard support is crap. Playing vs the same 10 people all day everyday for years to come is crap. Taking the online into account, that would make BW a very mediocre game overall.
I really liked SC2 when it came out. Finally an engine with good pathfinding and things like units knowing to move a bit aside or the ones moving to push a bit into the others. Many many many other QoL improvements and a lot of cool ideas.
But in the end SC:BW is just more entertaining. I guess that because it's so restrictive, so impossible to be perfect because of the unit selection and non smart cast and apm limits, then you always have to prioritise. And that's how every player has its own style. Which I'd say is more predominant that in SC2.
I also like how the meta evolved for decades with basically no balance changes. Clearly no endless balance changes that basically every game does it now. The meta still isn't stale, the game is not perfectly mapped out, so to speak. There is no cap on the amount of strategy you can do/use in order to win. I don't care about the metrics you posted (why is ping across continents an argument, lol), for me it is the best game ever.
I HATE ZERGS VIGOROUSLY !!! ARRRGGHH WHAT A PAIN!!!!
🤬🤬🤬
NERF DEFILERS AND CRACKLINGS FFS
Once you upgrade Attack speed And Movement Speed, Zerglings cost should increase from 50 to 75 mineral. And take more time to hatch.
DarkSwarm should Buff armor to 255, not Make unit invincible
And Defilers should have a cooldown with Consume
HOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
lol if armor is buffed to 255 than zerg is unbeatable under dark swarm, which at the moment it is not ...
LoL, curb your rage man. You really need to watch/play more games to realize just how close the balance is. And to realize just how stupid your proposed changes are, jeez.
u overanalyze every little detail