Hosho-survived the war. Akagi-death by Enterprise. Kaga-death by Enterprise. Ryujo-death by Saratoga. Soryu-death by Yorktown. Hiryu-death by Enterprise and Yorktown. Shokaku-death by Cavalla. Zuikaku-death by Lexington (CV-16), Essex and Langley. Hiyo-death by Belleau Wood and Enterprise. Jun’yo-Survived the war. Taiho-death by Albacore. Shoho-death by Lexington (CV-2) and Yorktown. Zuiho-death by Enterprise and Franklin. Chitose-death by Essex. Chiyoda-death by cruisers, USS Santa Fe, Mobile, Wichita and New Orleans. Shinano-death by Archerfish. Unryu-death by Redfish. Unryu
As pointed out by the authors of Shattered Sword, the pre-war industrial capacity of the USA, even during the Great Depression, was 7 times greater than that of Japan. Pearl Harbor energized America to grow that capability immensely.
Great video. I would add the following - 1. Navy organisation - Nihon Kaigun, Imperial Japanese Navy, had a structure where battle groups were grouped by ship role rather then task forces so their carriers sailed without escort at the beginning of the war which left them exposed. This changed latter on but not to great effect since the damage was done. 2. Navy's lack of political power - In Japan the Army had the greater say and Yamamoto was often overruled by Tojo. It went so far that some carriers, like the Taiho, were equipped for ground attack operations only to be surprised and ineffective against naval threats. 3. Lack of AA effectives - AA was more of a deterrence until one invention, I will mention it in part point 4., but the IJN AA had a slower fire rate making it even more ineffective. 4. Lack of support inventions - Small things like the proxy fuse made USN AA systems more effective and other inventions that improved survivability of both aircraft and ship, like the rubber lining in aircraft fuel tanks that would collapse and push out the fumes making US aircraft less likely to catch fire. 5. Mentality - Japanese fighter aircraft pilots suffered from a "bushido in a wrong place" syndrome making them remove armour plates in their cockpit for weight reduction (in order to gain slightly more speed and manoeuvrability) preferring aggression over survivability. This was a detrimental tactics due to the fact Japan was a fairly ... hmmm ... class based at the time. There was societal segregation causing prejudice towards people of certain regions or last names as less worthy or unable to preform honourable tasks as being a pilot reducing their potential pool. 6. Strategy - Kantai Kessen, or decisive battle, strategy was a failure from the start. Even in the preparation for potential war US planning put a lot of consideration on logistics, after all no point sailing across the pacific if you are going to run out of fuel or ammo or medical supplies or food, while Japan didn't ignored a lot of scenarios resulting in losses due to malaria, dysentery, no blood for transfusion, malnutrition ... and poor scouting. I think it was in Midway that the USN sent 12 scout planes all equipped with radios, while IJN sent 7 and none of them were equipped with any form of long range communication. 7. Total disregard to human resources - Previously mentioned support inventions are linked to this but also USN always tried to save their pilots, sailors ... just like the Marines had the moto "No man gets left behind" ... this approach saved lives and meant service men that would die survived to fight again with more experience. Also US pilots had a limited terms of service after which they could extend their service or become instructors for example training more pilots while IJN pushed their pilots to the very end.
I'm subscriber #564 One omitted item was the IJN air crew advantage in experience in 1942. Along with the carrier deck crews' proficiency in spotting, launching and recovering aircraft in a timely manner, these personnel losses widened the gap between combat operational performance and by 1944 the Imperial Japanese Navy's carrier strike force was no longer a threat, only perceived as a threat. The Marianas Turkey Shoot and using the remaining aircraft carrier as bait during the Battle of Leyte Gulf (where the Ghost Battleships that had been resurrected from Pearl Harbor) demonstrated the impotence of the IJN carrier fleet and its aviation.
@@alancranford3398 thank you! Very good points about air and carrier crews. There is only so much value in raw aircraft numbers; sortie rates are extremely important, and high sortie rates can serve as a massive force multiplier. You are making me want to check through the timelines of these carrier battles to compare how many aircraft the average US/IJN carrier could launch/recover/rearm in a given period of time.
@@loh1945 I was stationed on Oahu and toured the Arizona Memorial. Pearl Harbor is more than some place on a map. Imperial Japan bega the war with superior planes, superior pilots, and the ability to mass more planes over the objective. At the end of the war, the few Japanese planes were flown by mostly inexperienced airmen and were heavily out-numbered. Sobering thought. One puzzle for me was Army pilots being awarded the Navy Cross for Operation Vengeance. The reason was OPCON--it was a Navy operation using Army assets.
Despite their extensive war crimes (just as bad as the nazis, in many ways worse) the Japanese military fought professionally, well-outperforming their small size and under-developed industry. With a less well developed industrial base than Italy and a comparable population well Italy versus Japan -- who wins lol?
@ Indeed, the Japanese had a very impressive navy when considering their economic base. In a war between Italy and Japan, the outcome would largely depend on the specific war-goals. Japan would easily win anything in the Pacific. The Italians did not have the logistics in place to even move a large portion of their fleet into the Pacific in the first place. Similarly, the Japanese would have struggled with operating in the Mediterranean without British support. They were very good at long range operations (due to the vast nature of the Pacific) but I still doubt that they could win a naval war in the Mediterranean. The Japanese carrier advantage would be nullified by land based aircraft. In terms of overall quality, if we choose the forces as they existed in late 1942, the Japanese had the better carrier force, by far. The Italians had three modern battleships, but they suffered from bad shells, so the Japanese would likely have an edge in any engagement. Plus, Yamato and Musashi would have had a field day with the older refitted ships, and could probably take on at least 1.5 Littorios. The Japanese had better cruiser/destroyer/light forces training and doctrine; the Italians had the Zaras, which were great heavy cruisers, but I tend to think that they would have been outmatched in a fight against the Japanese. Japanese torpedoes were very scary, to put it mildly. I’d give the Japanese the edge in this category as well. I tend to think that in a war between the two countries Japan would emerge victorious, as they would probably do something creative and sneaky. They were also just generally more competent in all aspects of naval warfare. In other words, Japan would win in most scenarios. Do you agree? Also, could make a fun video. What scenario would be interesting to see between the two of them?
@@loh1945 In truth, the carrier force of the USN was still at full strength after the attack on Pearl Harbor. The USN still had three fleet carriers in the Pacific. It also had four fleet carriers and one light carrier in the Atlantic. Neither the German nor the Italian navies had any aircraft carrier. So most of the fleet carriers in the US Atlantic Fleet were quickly transferred to the Pacific. Yorktown, Hornet and Wasp all ended up in the Pacific in 1942 while the first of the 12 large Essex class fleet carriers joined the USN from the end of 1942. Japan's naval advantage gained in the attack on the US Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor didn't last that long.
At above 200 knots true air speed a number of late-war American aircraft could out-turn the Zero due to hydraulic assist in the US aircraft control surfaces.
@@alancranford3398 this one is very interesting; had to go through a 1946 Hellcat manual and a 1949 Bearcat Manual. I did not remember the U.S. using many fighter aircraft with hydraulic assisted control surfaces during the war. They did use a spring tab system to assist with using the control surfaces, is this what you are referencing? Or am I looking at the wrong aircraft, admittedly I did not check the F4U Corsair. Edit: I should note that there were some hydraulics, like dive recovery flaps, and gear and whatnot.
@@loh1945 I might be wrong about the hydraulics but the Navy instructions for fighting Zeros were to stay above 200 knots when in a turn--and dive away when the airspeed dropped below 200.
what was that super hero from ww2 with the jet backpack lol.....i always wanted one but theres also alot of stuff to hit cause it would be hard to see going fast lol
@@MikeHunt-fo3ow The Rocketeer? From 80s comics, set in WWII? It could certainly be fun to have one of those, though the accompanying helmet would probably be needed.
@@davidbarr8394 very true! I’d add that many Chinese soldiers and civilians were lost in the war against Japan. The Soviets were the single largest contributor to victory in Europe (at least in terms of time, soldiers and sacrifice) while they only came in at the very end of the war in the Pacific, which it quite understandable when considering what they had to face in Europe.
David, sadly, U do not seem 2 know vy much abt hw the allies defeated the Axis powers. It was American Lend-Lease tt allowed 4 victory in WW2. Even Stalin said if not 4 America, Russia would hv lost 2 the Germans. The Soviets declared war on Japan after Japan was already defeated. It was all the parts of what the Allies contributed tt led 2 Victory. You shd realize this.😊
@@PhilipDarragh Chinas sacrifice in the war should not be forgotten either. The suffered the worst effects of the War in the Asia. They also received substantial U.S. and Soviet (if I recall correctly) aid, which helped them continue the fight. Edit: it is difficult to tell if lend lease prevented a Soviet Surrender, but it is possible that it did. There were rumblings of a potential peace even up to 1943. If things had been different they may have collapsed, though I tend to think they would have held on. However, it is certain that the Soviet Union would not have advanced so quickly without the massive amount of logistics support vehicles that were supplied through lend lease. So, I tend to think lend lease drastically shortened the war, but did not change the outcome. You raise good points!
David, hw cud Russia give China aid? Russia only survived bcz it received U.S. aid. Russia only gave a little aid 2 China after Germany was defeated. To learn abt Japanese cruelty in this era, read the book by the late Iris Chang, The Rape of Nanking. It is a true horror story tt is hard 2 believe happened. But it is a true horror story.
Loh1945, tks 4 ur reply. Yes, China received substantial U.S. aid, as all U.S. Allies did. This is documented in the U.S. Archives. Plse tell us where U got this info abt Russia sending aid 2 China? Bcz it never happened. The only reason Russia survived the Nazi onslaught is bcz of the aid the U.S. sent Russia through Lend-Lease. Stalin admitted tt W/O U.S. aid, Russia would hv lost the war 2 Germany.😊
As an army brat We played the Avalon hill board game of Midway from a friend whose dad died at the Bay of pigs We had been to Guam and wake on the way to Clark air base Later I got USCG air barbers point Hi a freand was at ewo said there's still stuff out there I got to go to Kwag saw prenze eugrn we have our friends in the Pacific others say Yankees go home Our love for the Oreiantal ways can not be denied Hey Joe you like Box shaka Da One Line Bra we won't forget You on the front line again Old soldiers never go away God willing the peace be maintained " MacArthur " Our lives ones are you Liberty is wanting Blessings
Hosho-survived the war.
Akagi-death by Enterprise.
Kaga-death by Enterprise.
Ryujo-death by Saratoga.
Soryu-death by Yorktown.
Hiryu-death by Enterprise and Yorktown.
Shokaku-death by Cavalla.
Zuikaku-death by Lexington (CV-16), Essex and Langley.
Hiyo-death by Belleau Wood and Enterprise.
Jun’yo-Survived the war.
Taiho-death by Albacore.
Shoho-death by Lexington (CV-2) and Yorktown.
Zuiho-death by Enterprise and Franklin.
Chitose-death by Essex.
Chiyoda-death by cruisers, USS Santa Fe, Mobile, Wichita and New Orleans.
Shinano-death by Archerfish.
Unryu-death by Redfish.
Unryu
Thanks this is really good info to have
As pointed out by the authors of Shattered Sword, the pre-war industrial capacity of the USA, even during the Great Depression, was 7 times greater than that of Japan. Pearl Harbor energized America to grow that capability immensely.
Great video. I would add the following -
1. Navy organisation - Nihon Kaigun, Imperial Japanese Navy, had a structure where battle groups were grouped by ship role rather then task forces so their carriers sailed without escort at the beginning of the war which left them exposed. This changed latter on but not to great effect since the damage was done.
2. Navy's lack of political power - In Japan the Army had the greater say and Yamamoto was often overruled by Tojo. It went so far that some carriers, like the Taiho, were equipped for ground attack operations only to be surprised and ineffective against naval threats.
3. Lack of AA effectives - AA was more of a deterrence until one invention, I will mention it in part point 4., but the IJN AA had a slower fire rate making it even more ineffective.
4. Lack of support inventions - Small things like the proxy fuse made USN AA systems more effective and other inventions that improved survivability of both aircraft and ship, like the rubber lining in aircraft fuel tanks that would collapse and push out the fumes making US aircraft less likely to catch fire.
5. Mentality - Japanese fighter aircraft pilots suffered from a "bushido in a wrong place" syndrome making them remove armour plates in their cockpit for weight reduction (in order to gain slightly more speed and manoeuvrability) preferring aggression over survivability. This was a detrimental tactics due to the fact Japan was a fairly ... hmmm ... class based at the time. There was societal segregation causing prejudice towards people of certain regions or last names as less worthy or unable to preform honourable tasks as being a pilot reducing their potential pool.
6. Strategy - Kantai Kessen, or decisive battle, strategy was a failure from the start. Even in the preparation for potential war US planning put a lot of consideration on logistics, after all no point sailing across the pacific if you are going to run out of fuel or ammo or medical supplies or food, while Japan didn't ignored a lot of scenarios resulting in losses due to malaria, dysentery, no blood for transfusion, malnutrition ... and poor scouting. I think it was in Midway that the USN sent 12 scout planes all equipped with radios, while IJN sent 7 and none of them were equipped with any form of long range communication.
7. Total disregard to human resources - Previously mentioned support inventions are linked to this but also USN always tried to save their pilots, sailors ... just like the Marines had the moto "No man gets left behind" ... this approach saved lives and meant service men that would die survived to fight again with more experience. Also US pilots had a limited terms of service after which they could extend their service or become instructors for example training more pilots while IJN pushed their pilots to the very end.
Interesting video. I look forward to more, and subscribed!
You made the best use of 15 minutes in reviewing the history of WWII.
Good stuff sir
@@SymptomoftheTimes thank you! 😊
I'm subscriber #564
One omitted item was the IJN air crew advantage in experience in 1942. Along with the carrier deck crews' proficiency in spotting, launching and recovering aircraft in a timely manner, these personnel losses widened the gap between combat operational performance and by 1944 the Imperial Japanese Navy's carrier strike force was no longer a threat, only perceived as a threat. The Marianas Turkey Shoot and using the remaining aircraft carrier as bait during the Battle of Leyte Gulf (where the Ghost Battleships that had been resurrected from Pearl Harbor) demonstrated the impotence of the IJN carrier fleet and its aviation.
@@alancranford3398 thank you!
Very good points about air and carrier crews. There is only so much value in raw aircraft numbers; sortie rates are extremely important, and high sortie rates can serve as a massive force multiplier.
You are making me want to check through the timelines of these carrier battles to compare how many aircraft the average US/IJN carrier could launch/recover/rearm in a given period of time.
@@loh1945 I was stationed on Oahu and toured the Arizona Memorial. Pearl Harbor is more than some place on a map.
Imperial Japan bega the war with superior planes, superior pilots, and the ability to mass more planes over the objective. At the end of the war, the few Japanese planes were flown by mostly inexperienced airmen and were heavily out-numbered. Sobering thought.
One puzzle for me was Army pilots being awarded the Navy Cross for Operation Vengeance. The reason was OPCON--it was a Navy operation using Army assets.
You asked for more subscribers, so I subscribed.
I hope that you hit 1000 subscribers very quickly!
@@Missouri-rockhound thank you, it means a lot!
Isw this is the channel i was looking for. u deserve a sub
Hope you all have a great thanksgiving! 🦃 🥧
Keep it up man! Your vids have some great quality and effort behind them and you definitely deserve better
Thanks man :) YT randomly sent me you btw. First video. I wish you well :)
Despite their extensive war crimes (just as bad as the nazis, in many ways worse) the Japanese military fought professionally, well-outperforming their small size and under-developed industry. With a less well developed industrial base than Italy and a comparable population well
Italy versus Japan -- who wins lol?
@ Indeed, the Japanese had a very impressive navy when considering their economic base.
In a war between Italy and Japan, the outcome would largely depend on the specific war-goals. Japan would easily win anything in the Pacific. The Italians did not have the logistics in place to even move a large portion of their fleet into the Pacific in the first place. Similarly, the Japanese would have struggled with operating in the Mediterranean without British support. They were very good at long range operations (due to the vast nature of the Pacific) but I still doubt that they could win a naval war in the Mediterranean. The Japanese carrier advantage would be nullified by land based aircraft.
In terms of overall quality, if we choose the forces as they existed in late 1942, the Japanese had the better carrier force, by far. The Italians had three modern battleships, but they suffered from bad shells, so the Japanese would likely have an edge in any engagement. Plus, Yamato and Musashi would have had a field day with the older refitted ships, and could probably take on at least 1.5 Littorios.
The Japanese had better cruiser/destroyer/light forces training and doctrine; the Italians had the Zaras, which were great heavy cruisers, but I tend to think that they would have been outmatched in a fight against the Japanese. Japanese torpedoes were very scary, to put it mildly. I’d give the Japanese the edge in this category as well.
I tend to think that in a war between the two countries Japan would emerge victorious, as they would probably do something creative and sneaky. They were also just generally more competent in all aspects of naval warfare.
In other words, Japan would win in most scenarios. Do you agree? Also, could make a fun video. What scenario would be interesting to see between the two of them?
@@loh1945 In truth, the carrier force of the USN was still at full strength after the attack on Pearl Harbor. The USN still had three fleet carriers in the Pacific. It also had four fleet carriers and one light carrier in the Atlantic. Neither the German nor the Italian navies had any aircraft carrier. So most of the fleet carriers in the US Atlantic Fleet were quickly transferred to the Pacific. Yorktown, Hornet and Wasp all ended up in the Pacific in 1942 while the first of the 12 large Essex class fleet carriers joined the USN from the end of 1942. Japan's naval advantage gained in the attack on the US Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor didn't last that long.
At above 200 knots true air speed a number of late-war American aircraft could out-turn the Zero due to hydraulic assist in the US aircraft control surfaces.
@@alancranford3398 this one is very interesting; had to go through a 1946 Hellcat manual and a 1949 Bearcat Manual. I did not remember the U.S. using many fighter aircraft with hydraulic assisted control surfaces during the war. They did use a spring tab system to assist with using the control surfaces, is this what you are referencing? Or am I looking at the wrong aircraft, admittedly I did not check the F4U Corsair.
Edit: I should note that there were some hydraulics, like dive recovery flaps, and gear and whatnot.
@@loh1945 I might be wrong about the hydraulics but the Navy instructions for fighting Zeros were to stay above 200 knots when in a turn--and dive away when the airspeed dropped below 200.
Aaaaaaaaaand subscribed
what was that super hero from ww2 with the jet backpack lol.....i always wanted one but theres also alot of stuff to hit cause it would be hard to see going fast lol
@@MikeHunt-fo3ow The Rocketeer? From 80s comics, set in WWII?
It could certainly be fun to have one of those, though the accompanying helmet would probably be needed.
@@loh1945 haha yea thats it lol
Simplified, common denominators: US oil and steel, Soviet blood.
@@davidbarr8394 very true!
I’d add that many Chinese soldiers and civilians were lost in the war against Japan. The Soviets were the single largest contributor to victory in Europe (at least in terms of time, soldiers and sacrifice) while they only came in at the very end of the war in the Pacific, which it quite understandable when considering what they had to face in Europe.
David, sadly, U do not seem 2 know vy much abt hw the allies defeated the Axis powers.
It was American Lend-Lease tt allowed 4 victory in WW2. Even Stalin said if not 4 America, Russia would hv lost 2 the Germans.
The Soviets declared war on Japan after Japan was already defeated.
It was all the parts of what the Allies contributed tt led 2 Victory.
You shd realize this.😊
@@PhilipDarragh Chinas sacrifice in the war should not be forgotten either. The suffered the worst effects of the War in the Asia. They also received substantial U.S. and Soviet (if I recall correctly) aid, which helped them continue the fight.
Edit: it is difficult to tell if lend lease prevented a Soviet Surrender, but it is possible that it did. There were rumblings of a potential peace even up to 1943. If things had been different they may have collapsed, though I tend to think they would have held on.
However, it is certain that the Soviet Union would not have advanced so quickly without the massive amount of logistics support vehicles that were supplied through lend lease. So, I tend to think lend lease drastically shortened the war, but did not change the outcome. You raise good points!
David, hw cud Russia give China aid? Russia only survived bcz it received U.S. aid. Russia only gave a little aid 2 China after Germany was defeated.
To learn abt Japanese cruelty in this era, read the book by the late Iris Chang, The Rape of Nanking. It is a true horror story tt is hard 2 believe happened. But it is a true horror story.
Loh1945, tks 4 ur reply. Yes, China received substantial U.S. aid, as all U.S. Allies did. This is documented in the U.S. Archives.
Plse tell us where U got this info abt Russia sending aid 2 China? Bcz it never happened.
The only reason Russia survived the Nazi onslaught is bcz of the aid the U.S. sent Russia through Lend-Lease. Stalin admitted tt W/O U.S. aid, Russia would hv lost the war 2 Germany.😊
As an army brat We played the Avalon hill board game of Midway from a friend whose dad died at the Bay of pigs We had been to Guam and wake on the way to Clark air base Later I got USCG air barbers point Hi a freand was at ewo said there's still stuff out there I got to go to Kwag saw prenze eugrn we have our friends in the Pacific others say Yankees go home Our love for the Oreiantal ways can not be denied Hey Joe you like Box shaka Da One Line Bra we won't forget You on the front line again Old soldiers never go away God willing the peace be maintained " MacArthur " Our lives ones are you Liberty is wanting Blessings
good stuff, but for the love of... just stick to the content. That laddies voice thing... just... no.
@@jay152277 will do!
My dog (who seldom growls) started growling at the female voice.
@@tarnishedknight730 that is quite funny! Largest reason why I won’t let relatives do voice lines again is that it messes with the flow of the video.