Maybe it's just because I'm waking up, but as cool as this combo is outside of that cool Selesnya deck my eyes are glazing over watching Rakdos deck after Rakdos deck.
Seth: There's too much Rakdos in standard. But Seth, you're playing Rakdos. Seth: Yes, but my Rakdos is cheeky and fun, and thier Rakdos is cruel and tragic.
@@MTGGoldfishReplay fable just synergizes so well with everything. Still love seeing the combo in action though, oni cult anvil decks are one of my favourite archetypes.
@@theblaqknight Yes, my point was that Saffron seems to have intended to respond to the invoke despair cast by sacrificing the anvil to make a token. I know that the anvil only makes tokens during your turn, but I think that Saffron misread the card, leading to him thinking that he could get the token during either players turn. I wasn't trying to defend him, just explaining what I think his logic was
Yeah... this is one of the reasons I was surprised that people were going for Ob Nixilis. Did people think that Seth was not going to use the Rakdos shell for the Rakdos combo?
I made an Ob Nix brawl deck. I didn't realize Oni Cult could sac itself 😂 Some of these cards are definitely gonna make the combo more efficient, thanks!
Just checked out the intro, am I missing something, or wouldn’t having Ob Captive+All Will Be One+Ob planeswalker mean that all you would have to do is “+1” the planeswalker then direct the All Will Be One damage to the opponent??? That would set off the combo without needing devils.
Yeah, if you still have planeswalker Ob on the battlefield the +1 does it, but you can also play planeswalker Ob, make a Devil and have planeswalker Ob die and still start the combo with the Devil token.
idk I played on ladder today and of the 10 matches I played I was one of 3 "rakdos" decks. the rest were callix mono red/black/white and I think one control deck. as much as I play now I really just rarely see enough of the so called problem decks as I see a huge mix playing the same lines every time. felt alot like grinding modern and I kinda love that
There's something kinda surreal about Seth complaining about the one-deck meta while playing a janky version of that deck. I mean, it isn't Seth's fault - he was given a Rakdos combo to build around, and the Bankbuster/Harvester/Fable core of the deck are just so good at what they do that it's really hard to justify not running it if you're in those colors anyway. It doesn't help that the card he was asked to build around has a single obvious combo that fits neatly into that shell *anyway*. Seth, I'd personally be fine with it if you decided to stop doing regular Standard content and switched over to primarily recording Pioneer/Modern.
Sad thing is pioneer is like 30 percent or more, rakdos lol its just the standard list with thoughyseize, push and kroxa. And modern is just Ragavan, murktide and occasional elemental spam, id argue modern is more samey than standard right now, since mm2 the same 40 ish cards is in every deck.
@@Tehloki it is though, ragavan, unholy heat, treasure etc, then murktide tempo, and splash some 0 mana counters, elementals and common staples like daze and thats really it. Standard is the same theres a bunch of variations on decks but they all run fable, bankbuster etc modern has a core set of cards after mm2 that are in every deck, there is very minimal cases where people are playing off meta stuff like lands, but thats never better than murktide or rag and tournaments show that.
@@zephiel1932 homie, tell me you don't know the modern meta game without saying it. Sure there are overlap in cards with decks that share a color, but that does not make them the same. 4 BR Grief 4 UR Murktide 3 Hardened Scales 3 Creativity (2 5c, 1 4c) 2 BG Yawgmoth 2 Amulet Titan 2 Omnath (1 4c, 1 5c) 1 Sultai Traverse Shadow 1 Temur Rhinos 1 Living End 1 GW Taxes 1 Bant Control 1 Mono W Hammer 1 Niv to Light 1 Jund Asmoranimator 1 UW Humans 1 4c Goryo's Vengeance 1 Obosh Red 1 RW Midrange That's just from one challenge this weekend. The top 32.
@@zephiel1932 murktide is just the most represented deck because it's the easiest to pilot compared to most other decks. But it is not performing relative to it's meta %.
Love the combo, always super satisfying to see the triggers coming on At 3:18 you coud have attacked with the devil to trigger creature Ob, if you find the land you then play AWBO and uptick PW Ob for the win :)
I think the answer to Invoke Despair destroying the All Will Be One is a throwaway enchantment on the battlefield. I am thinking Bitter Reunion or Phyrexian Arena. Especially the latter might even draw regular enchantment removal.
Yeah, we have Fable to help with this, although maybe even more enchantments would be worth considering (although it's tricky because we have an artifact-sub theme thanks to Oni-Cult Anvil, so it's tough to fully embrace both artifacts and enchantments while still having the combo).
Here are my suggestions for fixing Standard As a preliminary, the problem is the feeling that WotC is releasing too many sets, amd as a result is just grabbing cash. Greedy. Need to fix it. 1. Do releases in two or three-set blocks. Basically, design really BIG sets and put them out in two or three parts. Each block is a single world. This will make it at least feel like less sets are being released. 2. Stay in each world for a while. You can have release of sets within a block fairly close together, and a fairish gap in between. This will eliminate the feeling that WotC is just pushing sets out too fast. 3. Don’t rotate by date. Rotate by block. Consider having a projected rotation date for each block when it comes out. 4. Have a Standard Perpetual block. It doesn’t rotate, or doesn’t rotate at the same pace. Fill it with staples that are just a little too slow for Modern or Pioneer. 5. Make 30-card decks in the Standard Perpetual Format that can retail for $5. One rare, four uncommons. Only give them to stores with play spaces - NEVER for online sale. They are for stores to sell to beginners. These were formerly given out for free as promo material: the price tag is to give stores an incentive to run beginner events. 6. Have Block Constructed Events. Why? Because it is easier to balance a block against itself - it’s basically an expanded set. It is also easier to build decks from the more limited card pool. It is also possible to take a Block deck into Standard with minimal modification. 7. Try to not have more than three Blocks in Standard at a time. Consider rotating overpowered sets out early.
I think the best way to beat tier 1 decks like rakdos and grixis is to not think of the combo in isolation. I'm going to try a boros soldier splash black just to include Ob Kingpin and take advantage of all the white cards that put counters (Siege Veteran, Wedding Announcement, Intrepid Adversary, Wandering Emperor). It would also use some global removals, maybe one each, Farewell, Sunfall, Burn Down the House, to deal with too many creatures and an uncontrolled bord, and smaller End the Festivities removals. Maybe a Sheoldred or two to get some life. I imagine that this way we would have cards for the opponent to interact with removals and counterspells and by the time the combo happened, the table would already be more controlled. Another alternative is to just put All Will Be One and the Ob in rakdos! XD
Honestly, while I love Explorer and would be thrilled to see more of it, I enjoy the Historic Brawl videos Seth has done too. I wouldn't hate to see more of those videos.
I liked Amazonian's version of the combo better, but I liked the inclusion of blast zone to start off the combo and the usage of the vat that was pretty cool.
I wanted to avoid playing the good Rakdos cards, which added an extra challenge. I'm sure playing Sheoldred, Graveyard Trespasser and such makes the deck better overall, but to me that feels too much like playing the best deck in Standard to be an Against the Odds deck.
@@MTGGoldfish oh yeah, completely understandable. I meant more of the Epicure/Anvil aggro strategy than running sheoldred/trespassers, but I agree that it detracts from "against the odds". Honestly it was weird that people voted Ob to be against the odds given how viable the deck is. And thanks for the content as usual
I think underworld dreams would be a good inclusion, dlconsidering the meta. It guarantees the 1 damage on opponents draw phase, and it gives you more options to either bait out invoke despair or at least give other options for sacrifice
Except that's not a standard card. There's a ton in non-standard that work well with this. Check Mono black for his video on this a few days ago where he does it in historic.
Would you be interested in trying out Standard Brawl for variety sake? I'm not sure how fun Brawl is, but I expect it to bet a lot more diversity from the extra year of Standard.
I'm not super interesting in Standard Brawl personally, although I do like Historic Brawl, but maybe with the change to three years of sets in Standard, Standard Brawl will be more interesting.
Hot take, Invoke Despair should be Restricted. Bring back Restricted! Having a one of keeps it powerful and supports Grixis but knocks it down to reasonable levels.
Actual solutions here. As if wizards would ever do this though. 'We examined invoke/fable and decided they are healthy in the current meta.' I promise they will say this in the next few months.
10:38 why did you not play the All Will Be One fairly here? Then next turn 2 counters on anything (e.g. Blast Zone on board), and you can kill the Kiki, etc.
these are the types of combos that make players uninstall. like me. just saw it in gold 1 Bo1 standard. it would make sense in Historic or Brawl, but I suppose I didn't have enchantment destruction (my deck had 2 Static Net + 2 Disenchant) at the time, so instead of the usual punish, I just straight up lose the game without counter play. fun and interactive.
Anvil might be worth it with blood/treasure/sac itself synergies, but the rest of the artifact package felt like a trap. What if you replaced it with enchantments that synergize instead, to act as shields for your combo pieces vs. invoke despair? Kumano faces kakkazan, okkiba reckoner raid, curse of leeches and even the red go-shintai are enchantments/creatures that can also cause the opponent to lose 1 life at various points, meaning before setup they're a shield and after setup they're a trigger.
Maybe for content take some of the former against the odds decks, budget decks, and single scoops from crim and expand upon them? Although I wouldnt know much I only have the decks they gave out for completing taks lol
I don’t know if there’s much you can do against a stale meta. You can build against it, but that doesn’t stop you from having to see it every single match. You can switch to an adjacent format like Brawl or Alchemy but that’s just running away from the problem.
my favorite time to play standard was when innistrad and avacyn were in the block. those were fun. angel of serenity and thragtusk. before that i played bant chant with geist of saint traft. havent played standard since cause it feels like things have just gone stale
this was obviously recorded before the bnr announcment, but I'd say that for when standard gets stagnant like this, you can probably get away with 3 of the 5 matches being the same deck. If you can't get two different decks for the last two matches, upload a 4 match video with 3 of them being the same matchup, and if you can't get any, then just post 4 of the same matchup.
i'm curious how arena handles infinite combos that are auto-triggered/forced to resolve like this one in an unwinnable situation. like, say this combo starts on someone with the book of exalted deeds on a faceless haven. since the top card is exiled instead of drawn, does that prevent the Ob player losing by not actually drawing the top card? if so, do we actually create something arena is actually forced to repeat until a player concedes?
The standard change means that we are either getting a super boring format which is already solved, or that the upcoming sets are so pushed that the rotation will be forced through power creep. None of those two options sounds like something to look for =(. Regarding your content, I think explorer and pioneer are a nice place to explore. It seems to me that there is some fun to be had there
In the ban discussion, I honestly think invoke despair is the card that needs to be banned, not fable. I wouldn’t be upset to see fable go by any means, but invoke gives black a payoff to deal with enchantments which they should have difficulty with and is always a 1 for 3 in any situation. Its just too consistent a payoff with such good mana fixing in standard to make the 4 black pips not really matter.
I don’t care about it being the same match up. Every format has the most popular deck, at least standard is fun for me, and as a not super enfranchised player who doesn’t play more than once a week, it’s mostly noise hearing about standard right now.
I think you should do more content with historic, it’s a pretty cool and interesting format. That or more modern, the modern meta’s gotten spicy with creativity dethroning izzet murktide.
Hey Seth, if all the decks are going to be Rakdos Midrange, I say just only try to design decks to shit on it haha. Maybe that's hard with it being the best deck in the format and all, but I believe in you
Re: a single deck meta - we just need to brew a meta-breaker. Spend a stream figuring out what works well against each part and how to efficiently mix the solutions into a deck. Maybe I'm overly optimistic but there's got to be a route to defeating it right?
I see the only opportunity to fix standard in mass ban of rakdos. Like sheoldred+reflection+invoke for sure, we can add blood tithe harvester in the mix to be certain this monstrosity is dead, but no guarantee XD
Content... um, do you mean for you brewing or your opponents? I mean in June you can play Historic for 3 months cause of LOTR... but I'm not sure if that's an improvement.
If it makes you feel better, in match 2, kayla's reconstruction looks at 7 cards bo matter what X was. Technically, you got lucky, they paid an extra one for no gain.
We got bans coming on the 29th. I don’t mind watching standard content, but if you’re tired of playing it you could wait and see what happens until then.
For standard videos, maybe create an artificial meta by playing two jank decks against each other, you & crim or phil. house ban fable and/or sheoldred / invoke. there are cool things to be done buried under the rakdos menace.
idk about content, but I have to say for myself the thought of having another full year of mirrorbreaker, bank buster, invoke despair and sheoldreds makes me violently sick and at least for me the format *less* attractive.
@@TheWorldsStage All Will Be One just cares about any counter being put on any permanent. So activating the PW Ob +1 puts one counter on it which then triggers AWBO dealing 1 damage which then triggers creature Ob and the combo continues.
@@chapeldweller Oh right! I didn't realize they were referring to the +1 counter being put onto planeswalker Ob to trigger All Will Be One, and not the ability. 16:05 He actually does that, just without creature Ob to go off with it.
stopped playing standard a couple months ago. It just doesn’t feel good or fun anymore. R&D also needs to really rethink their processes in regards to evaluating their own cards…B/R/x piles shouldn’t be so unbalanced if they knew how to properly evaluate power level
shouldn't have blocked ventilated cockshaft with Ob. If you block w/ devil instead you live, and have another shot at the land, and if you hit it, your opponent's skrelv's hive would have started the combo off.
If youre looking for more interesting standard content, might be time to play against other people you know who will play a range of decks, may less fun for you or harder but more interesting to see a variety of decks.
@@Xorthis I mostly play Historic and there is a large difference in my opponents there between Ranked and Play, but that does make me sad that there is no escape!
All hail another year of turn 3 Fable into turn 4 Invoke Despair, now featuring another year's worth of dual lands to ensure that every land in your deck comes in untapped and makes either black or red mana.
So, looking at the top meta decks, they all pretty much include Fable and Invoke, would banning those do anything? is there any case for keeping fable?
I think Fable is the one card that is getting banned for sure. Beyond that I really don't know what Wizards will do. I could see them just ban Fable, or I could see them ban like 10+ cards to sort of make Standard rotation (stuff like Bankbuster, Sheoldred, Bloodtithe Harvester, Raffine, Wedding Announcement and if they want to get really crazy the Triomes from New Capenna).
@@MTGGoldfish Dunno about the triomes going, but seeing the others rotate would be nice. I never really see triomes as an issue in a world without fetches/natures lore style ramping. I honestly think Invoke despair needs to be banned, it is far too swingy, ubiquitous and an awful negative play experience for the opponent. If I am playing against black, I should not be concerned about them having better enchantment removal than white. I do agree that I could see them gutting grixis and raffine... but, what would it bring in to the environment? Would it open up Temur/Gruul/Naya as options? What kind of deck would you make in the absence of rakdos/grixis control?
Well, this is awkward. I have my video queued up for two weeks from now on my channel (I post one per week and I'm going on vacation this week) and I used the same play on words in the title: Ob Will Be One. I guess that's the price of only posting one video per week, everyone beats you to the punchline...
I built this deck funniest shit was I was playing against a white toxic deck and I only had Ob, witty roast master I’m going through all these plays their about to hit me with 6 tokens. I’m doing all these plays in my head and realize hey they have skelvs hive so I just played all will be one and ended my turn so fast they lost on the beginning of their upkeep
I’ve been using Urabrask’s Forge for the combo, it’s a consistent +1 oil counter a turn, which also starts the infinite
That’s a great idea, it works great with the tutor that requires sacrifice too.
That and Churning Reservoir
Ohh, that does sound sweet! I might have to give that a shot.
@@jmacmocs3367 body dropper also runs really great with it as an alternate threat to distract opponents
Maybe it's just because I'm waking up, but as cool as this combo is outside of that cool Selesnya deck my eyes are glazing over watching Rakdos deck after Rakdos deck.
I don't blame you, Rakdos makes my eyes glaze over too.
kind of a shame that fable and invoke despair are going to stick around even longer
hope this shit gets banned from standard may 29th. dumb as hell
@@jrjamessongreat news lad.
Seth: There's too much Rakdos in standard.
But Seth, you're playing Rakdos.
Seth: Yes, but my Rakdos is cheeky and fun, and thier Rakdos is cruel and tragic.
yeah, their rakdos is using broken cards like fable of the mirror breaker and bloodtithe harvester...
Ha, yeah, I really wish the most interesting Against the Odds card from Aftermath wasn't Rakdos while everyone is sick of the color combination.
@@MTGGoldfishReplay fable just synergizes so well with everything. Still love seeing the combo in action though, oni cult anvil decks are one of my favourite archetypes.
Fable, bloodtithe, and bankbuster are all great in combo decks, so it's hard to move away from them.
@@MTGGoldfishReplay you could try "against the odds: rakdos without fable" next time?
Invasion of Azgol should be in the deck. It plays well with both ob and All Will Be One.
7:00 bro the lil "oops" got me offguard lmfao 😂😂
FYI: Invoke despair would have wrecked you in that first game, the creature sac is first so you cant choose the kiki as the enchantment
I think he intended to sacrifice the anvil, not recognising that anvil is only during your turn
@@benjaminpegler7026 Anvil is an artifact and only makes a token during your turns but can sacrifice artifacts on any turn.
@@theblaqknight Yes, my point was that Saffron seems to have intended to respond to the invoke despair cast by sacrificing the anvil to make a token. I know that the anvil only makes tokens during your turn, but I think that Saffron misread the card, leading to him thinking that he could get the token during either players turn. I wasn't trying to defend him, just explaining what I think his logic was
@@benjaminpegler7026 I see
Bummer that against the odds in standard has become sub optimal rakdos
Yeah... this is one of the reasons I was surprised that people were going for Ob Nixilis. Did people think that Seth was not going to use the Rakdos shell for the Rakdos combo?
This is like a third of the rakdos shell.
I mean, exactly what colors were you expecting a combo deck involving a red enchantment and a red black legendary creature to end up in?
I made an Ob Nix brawl deck. I didn't realize Oni Cult could sac itself 😂 Some of these cards are definitely gonna make the combo more efficient, thanks!
I think I might've played against you with my esika deck
@@ianford9221 Really? Was that today?
I think my Ob deck has a Koth avatar and the heavy metal mountain (or maybe swamp) sleeves from Kaldheim.
Nice!
Just checked out the intro, am I missing something, or wouldn’t having Ob Captive+All Will Be One+Ob planeswalker mean that all you would have to do is “+1” the planeswalker then direct the All Will Be One damage to the opponent??? That would set off the combo without needing devils.
Yeah, if you still have planeswalker Ob on the battlefield the +1 does it, but you can also play planeswalker Ob, make a Devil and have planeswalker Ob die and still start the combo with the Devil token.
idk I played on ladder today and of the 10 matches I played I was one of 3 "rakdos" decks. the rest were callix mono red/black/white and I think one control deck. as much as I play now I really just rarely see enough of the so called problem decks as I see a huge mix playing the same lines every time. felt alot like grinding modern and I kinda love that
Should have been called "Ob will deal One"
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You become what you swore to destroy
There's something kinda surreal about Seth complaining about the one-deck meta while playing a janky version of that deck. I mean, it isn't Seth's fault - he was given a Rakdos combo to build around, and the Bankbuster/Harvester/Fable core of the deck are just so good at what they do that it's really hard to justify not running it if you're in those colors anyway. It doesn't help that the card he was asked to build around has a single obvious combo that fits neatly into that shell *anyway*.
Seth, I'd personally be fine with it if you decided to stop doing regular Standard content and switched over to primarily recording Pioneer/Modern.
Sad thing is pioneer is like 30 percent or more, rakdos lol its just the standard list with thoughyseize, push and kroxa. And modern is just Ragavan, murktide and occasional elemental spam, id argue modern is more samey than standard right now, since mm2 the same 40 ish cards is in every deck.
@@zephiel1932 modern is far from samey like standard. Reading the weekend challenge lists would tell you that
@@Tehloki it is though, ragavan, unholy heat, treasure etc, then murktide tempo, and splash some 0 mana counters, elementals and common staples like daze and thats really it. Standard is the same theres a bunch of variations on decks but they all run fable, bankbuster etc modern has a core set of cards after mm2 that are in every deck, there is very minimal cases where people are playing off meta stuff like lands, but thats never better than murktide or rag and tournaments show that.
@@zephiel1932 homie, tell me you don't know the modern meta game without saying it.
Sure there are overlap in cards with decks that share a color, but that does not make them the same.
4 BR Grief
4 UR Murktide
3 Hardened Scales
3 Creativity (2 5c, 1 4c)
2 BG Yawgmoth
2 Amulet Titan
2 Omnath (1 4c, 1 5c)
1 Sultai Traverse Shadow
1 Temur Rhinos
1 Living End
1 GW Taxes
1 Bant Control
1 Mono W Hammer
1 Niv to Light
1 Jund Asmoranimator
1 UW Humans
1 4c Goryo's Vengeance
1 Obosh Red
1 RW Midrange
That's just from one challenge this weekend. The top 32.
@@zephiel1932 murktide is just the most represented deck because it's the easiest to pilot compared to most other decks. But it is not performing relative to it's meta %.
Love the combo, always super satisfying to see the triggers coming on
At 3:18 you coud have attacked with the devil to trigger creature Ob, if you find the land you then play AWBO and uptick PW Ob for the win :)
I think the answer to Invoke Despair destroying the All Will Be One is a throwaway enchantment on the battlefield. I am thinking Bitter Reunion or Phyrexian Arena. Especially the latter might even draw regular enchantment removal.
Yeah, we have Fable to help with this, although maybe even more enchantments would be worth considering (although it's tricky because we have an artifact-sub theme thanks to Oni-Cult Anvil, so it's tough to fully embrace both artifacts and enchantments while still having the combo).
Pun in deck name = has to be an entertaining watch
Love Thermo-Alchemist with Ob. Had several situations of pinging to dig to find removal, play removal to untap therm, profit.
Love that he did this, but I have been jamming a RWU All Will be one combo deck since ONE and Read Ahead Sagas are real spicy.
I love semi-random deck building ideas floating around in the comments! Thanks for contributing!!!
@@MasterCrvo any time champ!! That’s what happens when you read the comments on a public post.
@@resolution5 that's why we do it! And to say "Restoration of eye-jan-oh". 🤣
Deck
4 Faithful Mending (MID) 221
1 Island (NEO) 296
4 Fable of the Mirror-Breaker (NEO) 141
4 Stormcarved Coast (VOW) 265
4 All Will Be One (ONE) 118
4 Love Song of Night and Day (DMU) 25
2 The Phasing of Zhalfir (DMU) 59
4 The Elder Dragon War (DMU) 121
4 Yotia Declares War (DMU) 153
3 Brilliant Restoration (NEO) 7
3 Otherworldly Gaze (MID) 67
4 Depopulate (SNC) 10
4 Battlefield Forge (BRO) 257
4 Tranquil Cove (NEO) 280
4 Wind-Scarred Crag (NEO) 282
1 Otawara, Soaring City (NEO) 271
4 Sundown Pass (VOW) 266
1 Plains (ONE) 272
1 Eiganjo, Seat of the Empire (NEO) 268
Here are my suggestions for fixing Standard
As a preliminary, the problem is the feeling that WotC is releasing too many sets, amd as a result is just grabbing cash. Greedy. Need to fix it.
1. Do releases in two or three-set blocks. Basically, design really BIG sets and put them out in two or three parts. Each block is a single world. This will make it at least feel like less sets are being released.
2. Stay in each world for a while. You can have release of sets within a block fairly close together, and a fairish gap in between. This will eliminate the feeling that WotC is just pushing sets out too fast.
3. Don’t rotate by date. Rotate by block. Consider having a projected rotation date for each block when it comes out.
4. Have a Standard Perpetual block. It doesn’t rotate, or doesn’t rotate at the same pace. Fill it with staples that are just a little too slow for Modern or Pioneer.
5. Make 30-card decks in the Standard Perpetual Format that can retail for $5. One rare, four uncommons. Only give them to stores with play spaces - NEVER for online sale. They are for stores to sell to beginners. These were formerly given out for free as promo material: the price tag is to give stores an incentive to run beginner events.
6. Have Block Constructed Events. Why? Because it is easier to balance a block against itself - it’s basically an expanded set. It is also easier to build decks from the more limited card pool. It is also possible to take a Block deck into Standard with minimal modification.
7. Try to not have more than three Blocks in Standard at a time. Consider rotating overpowered sets out early.
I think the best way to beat tier 1 decks like rakdos and grixis is to not think of the combo in isolation. I'm going to try a boros soldier splash black just to include Ob Kingpin and take advantage of all the white cards that put counters (Siege Veteran, Wedding Announcement, Intrepid Adversary, Wandering Emperor).
It would also use some global removals, maybe one each, Farewell, Sunfall, Burn Down the House, to deal with too many creatures and an uncontrolled bord, and smaller End the Festivities removals. Maybe a Sheoldred or two to get some life.
I imagine that this way we would have cards for the opponent to interact with removals and counterspells and by the time the combo happened, the table would already be more controlled.
Another alternative is to just put All Will Be One and the Ob in rakdos! XD
What to do about standard content? Do what CGB did, where he took some time off standard to focus on hbrawl. But with explorer or historic
Honestly, while I love Explorer and would be thrilled to see more of it, I enjoy the Historic Brawl videos Seth has done too. I wouldn't hate to see more of those videos.
I liked Amazonian's version of the combo better, but I liked the inclusion of blast zone to start off the combo and the usage of the vat that was pretty cool.
I wanted to avoid playing the good Rakdos cards, which added an extra challenge. I'm sure playing Sheoldred, Graveyard Trespasser and such makes the deck better overall, but to me that feels too much like playing the best deck in Standard to be an Against the Odds deck.
@@MTGGoldfish oh yeah, completely understandable. I meant more of the Epicure/Anvil aggro strategy than running sheoldred/trespassers, but I agree that it detracts from "against the odds". Honestly it was weird that people voted Ob to be against the odds given how viable the deck is. And thanks for the content as usual
"we took down rakdos, we took down the best deck in the format!" *Also playing rakdos*
Yeah…these kinds things kinda go right over Seth’s head in the heat of his excitement.
I have a pinger deck with Obie as the commander and I am absolutely loving it. Especially when you pull out an all will be one and kill everyone XD
Even better, on today's episode of Against the Obs
I think underworld dreams would be a good inclusion, dlconsidering the meta. It guarantees the 1 damage on opponents draw phase, and it gives you more options to either bait out invoke despair or at least give other options for sacrifice
Except that's not a standard card. There's a ton in non-standard that work well with this. Check Mono black for his video on this a few days ago where he does it in historic.
If you sac with anvil on your end step you will keep ob's exiled card until your next end step
Would you be interested in trying out Standard Brawl for variety sake? I'm not sure how fun Brawl is, but I expect it to bet a lot more diversity from the extra year of Standard.
I'm not super interesting in Standard Brawl personally, although I do like Historic Brawl, but maybe with the change to three years of sets in Standard, Standard Brawl will be more interesting.
I can't believe they missed the opportunity to name the deck "All will be Ob"
Hot take, Invoke Despair should be Restricted. Bring back Restricted! Having a one of keeps it powerful and supports Grixis but knocks it down to reasonable levels.
Actual solutions here. As if wizards would ever do this though. 'We examined invoke/fable and decided they are healthy in the current meta.' I promise they will say this in the next few months.
Van Halen? 🎶 Pinging with the deviiillllllll....
10:38 why did you not play the All Will Be One fairly here? Then next turn 2 counters on anything (e.g. Blast Zone on board), and you can kill the Kiki, etc.
these are the types of combos that make players uninstall. like me. just saw it in gold 1 Bo1 standard. it would make sense in Historic or Brawl, but I suppose I didn't have enchantment destruction (my deck had 2 Static Net + 2 Disenchant) at the time, so instead of the usual punish, I just straight up lose the game without counter play.
fun and interactive.
This standard format seems a little garbage honestly. Hopefully wizards can try to balance their cards going forward.
Anvil might be worth it with blood/treasure/sac itself synergies, but the rest of the artifact package felt like a trap. What if you replaced it with enchantments that synergize instead, to act as shields for your combo pieces vs. invoke despair? Kumano faces kakkazan, okkiba reckoner raid, curse of leeches and even the red go-shintai are enchantments/creatures that can also cause the opponent to lose 1 life at various points, meaning before setup they're a shield and after setup they're a trigger.
Maybe for content take some of the former against the odds decks, budget decks, and single scoops from crim and expand upon them? Although I wouldnt know much I only have the decks they gave out for completing taks lol
I don’t know if there’s much you can do against a stale meta. You can build against it, but that doesn’t stop you from having to see it every single match. You can switch to an adjacent format like Brawl or Alchemy but that’s just running away from the problem.
would love to see a historic brawl series
my favorite time to play standard was when innistrad and avacyn were in the block. those were fun. angel of serenity and thragtusk. before that i played bant chant with geist of saint traft. havent played standard since cause it feels like things have just gone stale
I'd like to see some of the standard decks you make in other formats. It would be the same concept with the card from that format
this was obviously recorded before the bnr announcment, but I'd say that for when standard gets stagnant like this, you can probably get away with 3 of the 5 matches being the same deck. If you can't get two different decks for the last two matches, upload a 4 match video with 3 of them being the same matchup, and if you can't get any, then just post 4 of the same matchup.
If there was a drinking game to drink every time someone plays a Fable, people would die.
Love combos like this. Just as good as Niv/Curiosity combo.
Yeah, it is sort of similar to Niv Curiosity for sure.
i'm curious how arena handles infinite combos that are auto-triggered/forced to resolve like this one in an unwinnable situation. like, say this combo starts on someone with the book of exalted deeds on a faceless haven. since the top card is exiled instead of drawn, does that prevent the Ob player losing by not actually drawing the top card? if so, do we actually create something arena is actually forced to repeat until a player concedes?
I went Jund ramp with battles, scrapgorger and evolving adaptive in best of one and done well with it
13:14 We can do drugs!
The standard change means that we are either getting a super boring format which is already solved, or that the upcoming sets are so pushed that the rotation will be forced through power creep. None of those two options sounds like something to look for =(. Regarding your content, I think explorer and pioneer are a nice place to explore. It seems to me that there is some fun to be had there
So this hand we have our obi-wan. GG, naturally.
I made a mono red pure artifact deck that's called "f*uck go for the Throat". That's my way to get back at standard. It kind of works
In the ban discussion, I honestly think invoke despair is the card that needs to be banned, not fable. I wouldn’t be upset to see fable go by any means, but invoke gives black a payoff to deal with enchantments which they should have difficulty with and is always a 1 for 3 in any situation. Its just too consistent a payoff with such good mana fixing in standard to make the 4 black pips not really matter.
i woulda never considered the vat of rebirth. Nice call
I mean, it's no Niv-Mizzet and Curiosity, but still pretty nutty.
I don’t care about it being the same match up. Every format has the most popular deck, at least standard is fun for me, and as a not super enfranchised player who doesn’t play more than once a week, it’s mostly noise hearing about standard right now.
"Jank" decks 2023: 90% broken rakdos cards, 4x Janky card
8jank
I think you should do more content with historic, it’s a pretty cool and interesting format. That or more modern, the modern meta’s gotten spicy with creativity dethroning izzet murktide.
Hey Seth, if all the decks are going to be Rakdos Midrange, I say just only try to design decks to shit on it haha. Maybe that's hard with it being the best deck in the format and all, but I believe in you
Do you deliberately sac your kiki to invoke despair to prevent a card draw or is this a whiff/punt?
Re: a single deck meta - we just need to brew a meta-breaker. Spend a stream figuring out what works well against each part and how to efficiently mix the solutions into a deck. Maybe I'm overly optimistic but there's got to be a route to defeating it right?
the new atraxa ramp deck is the answer to rakdos midrange so we are in the early days of what might be a 2 deck meta but that’s about it
Ob Nixilis The Adversary - Bobby
Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingping - Robert
Urbs forge seems cool, gonna see all the options. Ob is legit w AWB1
I see the only opportunity to fix standard in mass ban of rakdos.
Like sheoldred+reflection+invoke for sure, we can add blood tithe harvester in the mix to be certain this monstrosity is dead, but no guarantee XD
Content... um, do you mean for you brewing or your opponents? I mean in June you can play Historic for 3 months cause of LOTR... but I'm not sure if that's an improvement.
Perfect BO1 deck, wondering why you'd play it in BO3
@SaffronOlive always play BO3
Bo1 as a format is an abomination
Seth just doesn't like Bo1. I don't think I've seen him play it unless forced to.
Good job Saffron Olive!!!!!
What do you think about chaotic transformation flipping Ob and AWBO into play? Can run a heavier control suite.
If it makes you feel better, in match 2, kayla's reconstruction looks at 7 cards bo matter what X was. Technically, you got lucky, they paid an extra one for no gain.
We got bans coming on the 29th. I don’t mind watching standard content, but if you’re tired of playing it you could wait and see what happens until then.
I am once again asking for a video of Saffron saying Bloodtithe Harvester @8:57
> “Against the Odds”
> Fable, Bloodtithe, Bankbuster
This feels like Tr-Ob-al C-Ob-o.
For standard videos, maybe create an artificial meta by playing two jank decks against each other, you & crim or phil. house ban fable and/or sheoldred / invoke. there are cool things to be done buried under the rakdos menace.
You should build 34 bloodtithe harvester
I’m not the only one that is irked by seeing the floating, but sitting Ob, am I?
Also, why not “Against the Ob time”?
Is it the same deck all the time cause i fight a lot on my way to diamond though maybe cause when i play means something
Lithomantic Barrage is a good answer to Raffine.
Not standard, but All Will Be One combos hilariously with Dark Depths
Do you lose with this combo in edh by decking out?
idk about content, but I have to say for myself the thought of having another full year of mirrorbreaker, bank buster, invoke despair and sheoldreds makes me violently sick and at least for me the format *less* attractive.
Seems broken… do you think wizards does a soft ban on ob aka banned from standard only?
Invoke should be a 30$ rare but I guess other very very narrow stuff is "worth" more lol.
Maybe I missed you saying this and I haven't finished the video yet, but PW Ob also triggers the combo if you just use his +1.
THIS! 👆🏽
How? The +1 on planeswalker Ob deals two damage, not one
@@TheWorldsStage All Will Be One just cares about any counter being put on any permanent. So activating the PW Ob +1 puts one counter on it which then triggers AWBO dealing 1 damage which then triggers creature Ob and the combo continues.
@@chapeldweller Oh right! I didn't realize they were referring to the +1 counter being put onto planeswalker Ob to trigger All Will Be One, and not the ability. 16:05 He actually does that, just without creature Ob to go off with it.
stopped playing standard a couple months ago. It just doesn’t feel good or fun anymore. R&D also needs to really rethink their processes in regards to evaluating their own cards…B/R/x piles shouldn’t be so unbalanced if they knew how to properly evaluate power level
missed lethal at 16:30
shouldn't have blocked ventilated cockshaft with Ob. If you block w/ devil instead you live, and have another shot at the land, and if you hit it, your opponent's skrelv's hive would have started the combo off.
Surge of salvation for the win.
That tshirt tho! ❤
Plan for grixis in standard? Play historic brawl instead 😊😊😊
Seth once again with the early scoops.
If youre looking for more interesting standard content, might be time to play against other people you know who will play a range of decks, may less fun for you or harder but more interesting to see a variety of decks.
I wonder if for content creation it'll make sense to not play ranked? Or have the video be part ranked, part 'play'? Maybe the coming bans will help?
Unfortunatly not. The unranked queue is almost exactly the same as ranked in standard. People just wanna run netdecks.
@@Xorthis I mostly play Historic and there is a large difference in my opponents there between Ranked and Play, but that does make me sad that there is no escape!
All hail another year of turn 3 Fable into turn 4 Invoke Despair, now featuring another year's worth of dual lands to ensure that every land in your deck comes in untapped and makes either black or red mana.
updated post reckoner fables bans in standard??
Ping decks has never look this good
So, looking at the top meta decks, they all pretty much include Fable and Invoke, would banning those do anything? is there any case for keeping fable?
I think Fable is the one card that is getting banned for sure. Beyond that I really don't know what Wizards will do. I could see them just ban Fable, or I could see them ban like 10+ cards to sort of make Standard rotation (stuff like Bankbuster, Sheoldred, Bloodtithe Harvester, Raffine, Wedding Announcement and if they want to get really crazy the Triomes from New Capenna).
@@MTGGoldfish Dunno about the triomes going, but seeing the others rotate would be nice. I never really see triomes as an issue in a world without fetches/natures lore style ramping. I honestly think Invoke despair needs to be banned, it is far too swingy, ubiquitous and an awful negative play experience for the opponent. If I am playing against black, I should not be concerned about them having better enchantment removal than white.
I do agree that I could see them gutting grixis and raffine... but, what would it bring in to the environment? Would it open up Temur/Gruul/Naya as options? What kind of deck would you make in the absence of rakdos/grixis control?
Taking down grixis feels so good doesn’t it 😂
Mad the Combo is not name All will be Ob
Urabrask’s forge would also be good for the counter and is a good aggressive card
Yeah, someone else suggests that as well. I think it's a good idea. Works with the combo and also with Oni-Cult Anvil. I'm probably going to add it.
I really do feel like standard is a tier 0 format. The next ban announcement cannot come soon enough
Well, this is awkward. I have my video queued up for two weeks from now on my channel (I post one per week and I'm going on vacation this week) and I used the same play on words in the title: Ob Will Be One.
I guess that's the price of only posting one video per week, everyone beats you to the punchline...
I built this deck funniest shit was I was playing against a white toxic deck and I only had Ob, witty roast master I’m going through all these plays their about to hit me with 6 tokens. I’m doing all these plays in my head and realize hey they have skelvs hive so I just played all will be one and ended my turn so fast they lost on the beginning of their upkeep