The Three Biggest Mistakes People Make in Close Contact Shooting | Active Self Protection Extra
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- Nationally known trainer Cecil Burch joins me for today’s ASP Extra discussion on the three biggest mistakes people make in close contact shooting. Cecil teaches Close Contact Handgun through his company, immediate Action Combatives, in conjunction with Glen Stilson from Independence Training. He has some knowledge for us!
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Attitude. Skills. Plan.
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The acoustics in that room make me really appreciate the work you’ve done in the ASP Studio
Dude, that's AFTER I worked on the audio a ton. Holy moley it is an echo chamber!
I think it's great that guys like the two of you have found a way to make a living while helping to prepare people for dangerous situations. I wish more jobs were this rewarding and valuable. Thanks for sharing the collected knowledge and skills that obviously have taken countless hours to acquire. You are more valuable than you probably realize to the decent folks who listen and follow your advice.
AMEN TO THIS.
I feel bad for the ASP subscribers who don’t take advantage of watching the ASP Extras!
Thanks for the second channel, John!
Thanks for watching!
I had to subscribe to both. Couldn't resist.
IrishStew - If I may, they go together like Irish Stew & Guinness. 🇮🇪 ☘️ 🍺 Cheers!
Like a good scotch and a fine cigar!
Active Self Protection Extra - John, you just went up another notch in my book.
The lads I hang out with love Jesus, value self defense skills, appreciate a good scotch and cigar, but mostly they love Jesus :)
More Power to ya, brother!
"snuggle struggles"
This is why I love John
Gotta have some funnies in there, right? :)
John, you're a hoot. These are both educational and fun. Thanks man... keep the faith!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great advice!
"Own it and make it a part of your day" thank for the words of wisdom John!
Loved this exchange and found it very valuable. Thank you
Great video guys!
GREAT INFO.!
I'VE ALREADY TAKEN BASIC GUN SKILLS CLASS
NEXT IS INTRO TO TACTICAL
lol im so ready.!
KEEP me coming can't wait to take a few more classes or as many as I can take lol thanks John and god bless.
Great advice.
Thank you john for sharing your skill with us ❤️🙏🙏 godbless you & your family 😇
Excellent job
Thanks!
Cecil, great job!
Sat through this video waiting for them to go hands on and John to get choked out:). Oh well. Seriously, very good video as always. God bless.
Shoot, I am not dumb enough to let Cecil get hold of me...I know what the end game would be, and it would be with me taking a nap.
I would back up too. So much to learn.
This was great!
I've learned a lot of the past 18 month between the classes at Sig Sauer Academy, weekly practice at my club with the IDPA, USPSA and Steel Challenge people, as well as shooting competitions. I've also started taking classes from a national level instructor (teaches at DOJ, SWAT teams and other such units) and have learned that while all the competition stuff has done so much for my planning, speed and accuracy, there is a whole other level of training you need to do to be defense ready. I am a life long shooter and still realize each session how much I don't know.
Also, never underestimate the power of dry fire training! I have a CO2 pistol that is exactly the same as my regular handguns, it is a great gun for dry fire training because you can run CO2 in it without ever putting a pellet in it.
Dry fire is invaluable for sure.
Thank you for keeping the off the cuff stuff in. It humanizes you all the more. I remember that as an example for me to avoid. I need to be conscious of my hands. Wow, $279 would wreck my budget right now! But, in the future....
I want to take a close contact/ecqc class in 2018 live in NY but will travel to CT/Pa
Thanks John!
Glad to help!
I met Cecil yesterday, nice guy. Really looking forward to training with them.
Great dude!
Man love the video and the personnel your brining to the channel, Im definitely going to get to a class. But I can see it already, your going to get a lot of comments about no teaser content. Just saying, for promo purposes, the people are going to want to see a little bit of what they’re going to get. Maybe it’s just my marketing background shining through, but I want this channel to grow the way it should. But awesome content and I can’t wait to get to a class, thanks again and keep up the good work.
There WAS some content here. I told them the three biggest mistakes and showed them what one was. That is educational.
This is a first a BBJ guy and a Self Defense guy working and agreeing together! It is about time, AMEN!
Backing up is fright and flight: it emboldens an enemy; don't back up - turn your weapon side away from the threat, with your weapon hand NEAR weapon, and other hand on center or hollow of chest. This is the ready-draw position. Use the non-weapon hand to deflect and/or control an enemy. If you have to draw and put shots on target, keep your non-weapon hand as needed but make sure your shots on target are from close to holster and below your non-weapon arm/hand. When firing in close combat, NOW you move in the direction of your holster/weapon. Move sideways keeps enemy turning and very likely off balance - don't stop moving or shooting until the threat stops moving. Watch how boxers mover around each other in the ring: the boxer who is turning is going to get hit by the boxer moving to his opponent's weak side. Great video John and Cecil.
As seemingly always, the answer is "it depends"
It would be great to have a link for these classes.
I’ve been thinking about it for a while but you pushed me over the edge John I WILL SIGN UP FOR TRAINING!!! I just gotta figure out where lol
Yay! My work here is done.
Thanks John I'm an instructor for judo always wanted to know how to defend against a gun tho.
Glad to help!
nice to see experts admit how hard it is not to make mistakes, this is encouraging to never stop training...
Gotta keep training!
Ultimately I feel it comes down to one keyword, confidence. The importance of confidence can be seen when people put a half hearted defense or disarm attempt. Training builds confidence in yourself that you have what it takes. Then if you ever do find yourself in a dangerous situation you are not the guy who pulls the limp wristed attempt to take a gun away or to draw your own gun, but you are the guy who is confident in your ability to handle yourself, stand in the pocket under pressure, just as you trained, and defend yourself and loved ones adequately. If you want to be thay confident guy who handles his business and ensures his and his own gets put alive you gotta get training and practice what you learn at home regularly.
Competence first, and that builds confidence.
Active Self Protection Extra
Agreed
nailed it.
I wish I was 25 years younger so I could do this stuff. My empty hands days are over.
I've been doing TriTec jujitsu for about 2 years together with my 17 year old. Although it's been bit sporadic , it's best thing I did to get some hands on martial arts training. Chances are you won't come face to face with "master fighter " , but most likely a thug , so you wanna take every advantage you can.
Is that Bill Murray turned bad a$$? Lol
I love this so much.
I think that having a protect myself attitude is great percentage of skills and plan without a attitude 24/7 in time will increase odds in other two unfortunately everyone does not have that,just something to think about
i feel since i have been robbed 8 times i have a pretty good grasp on what needs to be done in that sort of situation i need basic grappling skills
Agree, need skills ahead of time, but thing is, if you still make the same errors? Or maybe not as many?
THAT GUY IS HILARIOUS
Being in condition yellow radiates and predators are looking for the oblivious targets. Another point you made that I want to share experience... Rational thought and Emotional reaction are mutual exclusive. The brain cannot do both at the same time. If one is not situationally aware, and doesn't realize the threat until it is upon them, the initial reaction is going to be emotional fueled by hormonal dumps and fight/flight.
Can you recommend someone that is “Cecil” worthy in the Downstate NYC area?
Click through to his FB page or YT channel and ask Cecil, I am sure he can point you in the right direction!
I like that Cecil in the same in person as he is on video....
I totally agree. Great man.
Close self defense is the result of allowing threats too close; situational awareness, yourself AND your surroundings...always fallback, drawing your weapon of choice and remove the threat!
I think that's an overly optimistic view of real self-defense. Watch the main channel awhile and you'll see how frequently that's out of your control.
@@ASPextra Yes! You are correct! As a retired USAF Airman, I have some training on self defense. I continue to learn from others, like you. I reflect on the ultimate self-defense situations, guarding a military installation at the outside gate. The only defense is to maintain excellent situational awareness at all times. The "Bad Guys" will not announce themselves before attacking. As defenders we must know our surroundings at all times. As a civilian, to fall back to safety while being prepared to defend one's self with appropriate force is a must! Your training methods are excellent and I hope you keep leading the charge to improve Americans. After all, freedom is not free.
Do u think John had a itch?...
Holy crap, Tom Hanks does BJJ? That’s sweet
He's GOOD at it, too! :)
I would take it another step. Use your shooting peers as well. In addition to paid instruction, I shoot with a group that are all around the same level. We learn from each other and coach each other because you don't see your own mistakes. Ego has no place in learning.
As long as your peer group is clueful, and that only comes from instruction with quality folks. So once you're there, then I agree!
Active Self Protection Extra, and that is a good point. Not just any peer group, but one with equivalent training.
These guys were fun to watch, but more than half the time I had no idea what they were talking about. Probably just me.
#thesnugglestruggles
Awww yeah!
Active Self Protection Extra lol
John your phrases and one-liners are just the absolute best.
D. Utley agreed one my favorites is "That juice ain't worth the squeeze." lol
Watch everyone that comes out
3:35 LUCAS BOTKIN HAS ENTERED THE CHAT
lol
hey , John's with Bill Murray from SNL
Hahahaha!
If Cecil(24 years and multiple titles) is extending his arms or backing up and John is and has been doing martial arts for many years seriously is it practical to attempt to stop or avoid these natural actions? How realistic is it for a regular person with a lot less experience and training NOT to do the same thing.
That's why we train! To get out of bad habits.
Sure but if 24 years of training hasn't stopped a person from doing it what happens to the person with 3 years of training that gets attacked and uses the skills to the best of their ability and does the natural response of backing up or extending the arms? Is it not better to work with the natural responses rather than against them if 24 years of training hasn't completely eliminated doing them? You can still work on doing them less at the same time but having skills based on natural responses seems more appropriate. Even very experienced shooters still jerk the trigger sometimes. However strong two handed grip and balanced strong stance help mitigate the amount the lack of good trigger control causes to accuracy.
Not if that natural response puts someone in a bad position. I think you misheard. Cecil said that at 24 years of training that he still had bad habits, not that he still did what he talks about in this video.
Not to belabor the point to minutia but between 5:20 and 5:30 Cecil says he still makes the mistake of putting his arms out and was caught by his sparring partner doing so. The point being that you (John) and Cecil are very skilled,train regularly, have years of training and practice yet you back up and Cecil sticks his arms out at least sometimes in non life threatening sparring situations. Is there a way to work with these natural responses that even the well trained people do? Such as Tony Blauer's SPEAR or something else. Does it work with the T and second B (Behavior) in the TABBE evaluation of techniques. conflictresearchgroupintl.com/the-t-a-b-b-e-test-erik-kondo/
Dude, bad guys *don't train* . They don't go to the range. They [97%] have no empty handed skills because they don't train to be bad guys. They go into a robbery with a hoodie and pants around their knees holding their blaster sideways in one hand. *Any* training and practice on our part is going to be useful and give us the advantage against 'most' bad guys.
I watch a ton of your videos and like all of them, except this one. Everyone hits a bump in the road at some point.
John - are you training up at Megs place now? Great way to burn calories!
No, I train at Attitude First Martial Arts Academy in Phoenix but respect Cecil highly.
Active Self Protection Extra cool. Cecil is legit. I trained with meg in the 90’s.
It would have been good to show these mistakes along with talking about them. That might get more people to the class.
I showed one!
Great video! That guy looks like Ted Cruz!
People often put their arms out as a measure. If I can touch you one hand I can hit you with the other. You'll see pro boxer's, pro muay thai, bouncers, plenty of other cases where they do that to land the other hand.
Most people want to aim trier gun for every shot. Don't even look at the gun and don't try to think things through. Pull The Weapon and point and shoot till the assailant goes down. This is a forced desion. Now that he's down. RUN get to cover and maintain distance from him till help arrives.. When help arrives that is the first time that you can approach him because he might be only slightly injured and playing possum on you and try to attack you. Your personal safety is to be first and the only thing you consider.
No. Absolutely no.
I'ma TH-cam black belt
I watch all the fight videos👊👊 I can now take on everyone 💪
What is the deal with the blurry video all of the sudden??? If not the whole video then at least at the beginning.
1 point is still a win lol
lol i remember the brawls Megaton jiujitsu would cause at tournements. think mid 90s...nothing like seeing free for alls at a tourney. very disrespectful to the sport but real deal
I don't think they do that anymore. I sure hope not.
Backing up is fright or flight instinct kicking in.
John please get a better stereo microphone
Old video.
1st mistake: a Nike shirt.
Ha ha, he said "Entanglement"...
It is the fight or flight. Backing up is not a bad thing but it is not all ways a good thing. Wish we things like this in Canada. My job I have a flashlight to protect my self. When I have recovered a gun knives and all other types of weapons off of criminals.
Criminals don't care what the legislative limitations are.
I know I spent 3 years security officer at a probation office. I was dealing with street gangs organized crime domestic violence and mental health. With just a flashlight. Laws are only made for law abiding citizens.
I am wanting to look into taking some tactical classes in the USA but nervous after hearing things about Blackwater type group's.
This guy looks like he is trying just a little to hard to look like a badass.
Ok...training is absolutely necessary...how about eating right and weight loss....for me personally it's hard to take an overweight person serious as a trainer or professional in any profession.
Oh come on, if you’re going to make jokes the fat joke is the easiest one. Come train with me and see how I move and how we can go how’s that? You didn’t ask about whether or not I had high blood pressure or if I had any problems whatsoever with my health. You just assumed. Way to go!
Being 30 pounds overweight is a health problem. Imagine how much better you could “go” with a little nutritional discipline?
Steven seagal... He would beat your ass so fast. Fuck off with your fat shaming.
40 S&W- Is that all you got from John's video? Sad.
With or without a gun, I'm sure John would take you down regardless of weight !
Nothing beats Krav Maga, bjj is good on the ground, not for fire arm retention and disarms
my sister was attending self protection classes. she wasn't doing it correct so her instructor stepped in to show her how to do a certain move correctly. ..He broke her nose with a kick to her face. .. A couple of nights later he knocked on our family home door to apologise. .. I smashed his face to pieces. .. RULE N.O. 1. ... DON'T EVER APOLOGISE FOR NOTHING
Tom Hanks,😃
lol
John, sadly I live in a libtard college town and if there are classes such as this they are operating incognito/underground/covertly so as to avoid public shame and/or ridicule because the concept of "guns" is evil to them.[cough-cough Michigan] How do I find classes? Is there a national list/group/otherwise that I can look up?
We will be in Battle Creek this year hosting a class.
It's no coincidence that this video was filmed from a bjj school. Find a self-defense oriented bjj school in your area and you will find many other resources for self defense (such as firearms training) in the same place.
AWESOME!! Breaking out the Mason jars!! [If you don't get that I'm *too* old] How to find out when? Must I do 'facebook'?
Close range ?!? Headbutt. Always headbutt.
I thiiiiiink we might have had a headbutt in class!
HKE - headbutt, knees, & elbows
Active Self Protection Extra regardless of results , headbutt are just fun
That didn't work out well when Wonder woman did it to Superman
MegaSkilla everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face
You lost me at his name...and all the 'talk', your other videos de-briefs are cool though. Thanks 'Cecil' :)
lol okay, Cecil is a SME. Are you?
If you can't break bad habits in 24 years of training them I 'm not going to bother
I kind of agree with you. I’m getting older. These guys are great and I’m learning TONS of good stuff from John. But if in real application, I better be lucky and hope for the best.
If you think you can use a defensive move properly because you watched a guy on you tube demonstrate how to do it but you naver have tried it and the first time attempting it is against a criminal in a real life bad situation then watch someone speak one sentence of a foreign language and try to repeat that one sentence a month later without ever speaking it before. It's fine to learn from you tube but practice it with a partner and yes it is better to have an instructor critique you but at a minimum practice it before attempting it in a real life situation. I made it to first degree brown belt when I was younger, you are rarely great at a defensive or offensive move the first time trying it.
Practice under instruction is a MUST!
Sounds like you have shrunk.
Sorry. Id owe both you guys. You dont have that stamina... the long ride John.. sorry man without your firearm someone like myself would over come both you.
Gee, how arrogant of you. You think you'd outlast Cecil? That's laughable.
Yes John I feel so. Love your channel... dont get me wrong, you and Cec are baddass - Switched on. Good to know! Thumbs up. I just feel Id give him a good run for his money, doesnt mean anyone is "less". Bless him and you bro :)
#2ASTRONG #CZLIFE #SHALLNOTBEINFRINGED #2ASTRONG
You guys might be used to it, but it can be really unsettling and uncomfortable listening to that echo in your facility.
It is SO bad. I tried to calm it in post, but man it was difficult.
Active Self Protection Extra yeah I figured maybe you had tried to filter it or envelope it but im glad the info was worth it.
Complete waste of 11 minutes. No content. Just a blatant self promotion of the seminars.
You clearly didn't listen or watch then. Gracious.
Wasn't that the point? To convince you to take a class and a couple reasons why you should take that class. Who cares what class just get into a good class somewhere.
Unless you train FULL TIME at this level of close combat and have a CONSIDERABLE levels of martial arts skill from DECADES of practice this scenario is almost pointless to even contemplate.
The greatest factor will be LUCK.
I completely disagree. I see people having to do this kind of thing where verbals and distance management and unknown contact management comes into play.
MrB1923
Pardon my skepticism but Navy Seals, Marines/Force Recons, Rangers etc etc, all seem capable of handling themselves in dangerous situations, yet it does not take decades to train them to that level. I think what matter is the type and quality of that training. So make sure the type of training js tailored to your needs. If you are taking a class and it looks like a bunch of private contractors are in that class running ar-15's you're probably not in the right training for a ccw situation. Seals train combatives and combatives with weapons. A training program that merges martial arts/combatives with weapons (retention, deployment, and use) is likely a very good program. Take notes, and go home and practice witj family and friends. Then take the class again and again if you can. A fun way to get away with it is to incorporate it into your vacation plans. You could take $300 and go deep sea fishing, or take that money and go take a training class while the wife goes shopping with the kids for the day. Lol at least thats how i get away with it sometimes. Sometimes....
In defense of the OP here, the military spec ops people don't train once a month, or twice a year. If we're talking about the average joe who gets to do a good hard weekend of fantastic training once or twice a year, I'm gonna side with the OP. You need to live and breathe this stuff and sink it into muscle memory. I agree that training is absolutely necessary, and just being exposed to this stuff and changing your mindset helps. But if John is talking about reflexively backing up DESPITE saying to himself he won't, it goes to show what volume of training is necessary to beat their instinctual responses out of them. If John and Cecil are still making "stupid mistakes," that almost tells me I have no hope lol.
D. Utley
I think we are falling into an all or nothing mindset. "If we cant train to the level of an elite operator then there is little point to train at all." Sorry not trying to straw man, but that seems to be a point being made. I just feel that having some training, again that we take home practice regularly, then go back to the same training and see how well that practice paid off and if we improved our performance under manufactured stress, is a way better way to approach your personal safety and self defense than just going to a ccw course and buying a gun. That said shooting regularly and having basic proficiency with the weapon is way more important than training. All training in the word wont save you if you dont even remember how the recoil feels and what to expect when the gun goes bang. For me personally I find both important, AND FUN! So I do both. Long story short, some training is always better than no training. Take what little training you can get and practice it at home. Also get info off of youtube like tact/proactive/combat reloads and practice them. Just realize having an instructor help you see your own mistakes. Im ranting so I'll stop. Goodluck guys
Yeah, I wasn't trying to make an all or nothing point, and I agree with what you guys are saying. Training in martial arts three times a week versus going to the shooting range once a month or less frequent aren't in the same boat. That said, I agree that both need to be done, with shooting hopefully happening more frequently. I personally don't have the time or the budget to do either regularly, and I'm personally OK with that at this point in my life. I need to make 2018 the year that my gun is no longer a 'woobie', and I at least recognize that.