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Thank you for your efforts. As a three kingdom history lover, although there are many inaccuracy and mistakes, it's still a good introduction content for people who dont know about this history.
Find someone to recite Zhuge Liang's Chu Shi Biao (Memorial on the Case to Go to War), or any of the poems by Cao Cao or his sons (they're all accomplished poets in their own right).
All this happened in the 200’s btw. Its hard to think all this could happen, the sizes of the countries, the army sizes, the casualties, wow. To be fair it is china which is populated but still for the 200’s this is a crazy battle
@Skeedale1234 The population of China at that time was nearing one of it's lowest ever though, cuz, lots of wars and everything going on for a long time already. Once China stabilised in the Sui-Tang Dynasties their population started to skyrocket...and so does their average military casualties when they go to war
@Skeedale1234 The casualties were probably much higher than what is shown here. The population of China near 200AD was near 61M and once China was reunified in 280AD, it was only 38M.
An impressive effort. Though a few things to note. The yellow territory which you labelled for Liu Bei/Shu Han should only begin from 208CE. Prior to the decisive Battle of Red Cliffs that year which laid the foundations for the Three Kingdoms' sphere of influence and eventual territory, Liu Bei was not strong enough to have any stable territory to begin with. Rather, he wandered and attached himself from one warlord to another, with only his charisma that allowed him to maintain a very loyal support that followed him everywhere. Instead, before 208, those yellow territories in Jingzhou province (present day Hubei) belonged to his cousin Liu Biao, who died before Red Cliffs, but not before he named Liu Bei as his successor. Its only after Red Cliffs that Liu Bei started to have a geographical stronghold from which to expand his empire. Losing the vital crossroads province of Jingzhou to Sun Quan/Eastern Wu was a blow that Liu Bei/Shu Han never really recovered from. Hemmed in by the mountains of Sichuan, Shu Han could only play a defensive battle. All Zhuge Liang, Liu Bei's strategist and chancellor, could do was keep on attacking Cao Wei and hope things go his way, but to no avail. Without Jingzhou, Shu Han was unable to launch an effective strike into Cao Wei. Though Shu Han's relations with Sun Quan/Eastern Wu improved after Liu Bei's death, Eastern Wu was quite content to stay on their side of the Yangtze River, and so were not as eager as Shu Han were to use Jingzhou as a springboard to attack Cao Wei. Finally, the map would have been more helpful and easier to read if you actually label the territories of the other prominent warlords like Yuan Shao, Lu Bu, Ma Teng, Gongsun Zang, Liu Biao and Liu Zhang, who were all major characters in the period between the Yellow Turban rebellion in 184 to the consolidation of territories into the eventual Three Kingdoms after the Battle of Red Cliffs in 208.
It's really good. Of course, southern China has not expanded its power as much as on the map over there. Southern China was an undeveloped area at the time. In reality, it is generally accepted that the national power of the Wei Dynasty, which occupied the North China Plain, was overwhelming.
The land of southern China was huge, but at the time it was mostly jungle. Excluding the major cities and some agricultural areas, it was like the Amazon. Many people don't know, but rhinos also lived in ancient China.
2nd brother as in an oathsworn brother-at-arms, the Martial Sage Guan Yu? The real problem in question was Liu Bei's brother-in-law Sun Quan, who had been desiring for the entirety of Jingzhou since his father Sun Jian's death at the hands of the general Huang Zu, subordinate of the elderly warlord Jingzhou Inspector Liu Biao. He already got his vengeance a few weeks before the Battle of Changban occurred.
Guan Yu was betrayed by Meng Da and Liu Feng when they refused sending reinforcements during the siege of Fan Castle and let the traitor Sun Quan conquer Jing. How exactly it's Guan Yu's fault?
@ chinese census data shows a population decrease of 34 million, not all of that can be accounted for by this war though of course so if we're very conservative and assume the war is only responsible for half of that that's still 17 million deaths
"a small battle that took place on Ancient China between two kingdoms of Piu Piu and Xiao Linf. The battle had a small casualties of measly 10 Millions with the consequences being the fall of Monk Dynasty."
@@MountainFalls23101chinese census data in the years immediately before and after the war show a population decline of 34 million. not all of that can be attributed to the war probably but that still means the war resulted in millions upon millions upon millions of deaths
The thing is, this was normal back then. Who knows how much people died during the collapses of Chinese dynasties from 3000 BC to 1912 AD. These civil wars were like World wars to the people living there, since all they knew was China.
(At that time Yúnnan was the territory of Meng hou until 225) (and Gongsun zan died 199, and Korean territory and parts of Lyao dung were occupied by Goguryo)
This war lasted 70 years between wei which is blue shu is yellow and wu is red they fought for many years and in the end the Wei kingdom had a civil war and the Victor's would call themselves Jin and would go on to establish the Jin dynasty
Interesting map! However, there are some rooms to correct. One big example is Shu (Led by Liubei) in 190’s. This map : big in south China Real history : small in north China
1:37 In the Later Han era, in AD 190, Gansu province was occupied by Xianbei tribes while divided north and south, not the Han-Chinese. After 100 years, they invaded Chinese land as a route to Xi'an, and that map was wrong. 3:22 Liaohe River(遼河) of Liaodong Peninsula was massive wetlands and reed fields in the Ancient period, and it was not an actual area dominated by the local Governor(太守). Should More reduce the Purple map to the inner side. Moreover, it has been divided into Lelang Commandery(樂浪郡) and Liaodong Commandery(遼東郡), and Lelang Governor dominated Pyeongan Province of the Korean Peninsula. 0:43 Originally, Vietnam (越族) lived in Guangzhou province including the mountainous area of Jiangxi Province, Fujian Province. Since the whole area of northern China was burned by the Xianbei tribe's invasion, the Chinese refuge changed southren area to their culture for a long time. 4:05 The domination area of Shu Han was extremely limited and only collected taxation and conscription to residents where Sichuan Plain because it became civilized during the Han dynasty era. In other southern regions was a huge gap between Language & race & culture, they couldn't enter Yunnan Province due to jungle and malaria risk.
Accurate borders of ancient Chinese kingdoms are really hard to map out though. To what extent of the inaccuracy this video is I do not know, but if you're using Romance of the Three Kingdoms as a source you wouldn't be 100% right either. RTK is a fictional novel based on true history, albeit with many details distorted & edited. Kind of like a mega fan fic.
Thank you. As another fan I too say that this is such a bad map, doesn't even label the names of the generals except the 3 kingdoms, as if we're supposed to guess
As a fan of the Records and Annotations of Three Kingdoms of Chinese History, I can agree that this is the absurdly laziest map I've ever wasted more minutes in this video... Hefei, Chang'an, the inaccuracies go on and on Where even the flying bollocks is Lü Bu already in Yuzhou during the entire Coalition against the Tyrant
No, it seems he is only showing military casualties for the 3 kingdoms anyways the casualties for the other states and factions combined were not that high
@@gummilad2those numbers are real look them up. Cao Cao (in blue) when he invaded his enemy on the east coast. He pillaged over a 100,000 civilians, could’ve been almost 200,000. If we put civilian numbers, it would be a completely different story
Guess what, another century more of unsurprising suffering to come after 20 years of peace under a single conquering ruler, broken by an incapable successor and royal kindred! (Northern-Southern Dynasties)
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Hello
pretty sure this war had millions of casualties
ur first (ofc)
excellent
Thank you for your efforts. As a three kingdom history lover, although there are many inaccuracy and mistakes, it's still a good introduction content for people who dont know about this history.
Missing some Chinese speeches
Lol
Needs more epic orchestral music
Find someone to recite Zhuge Liang's Chu Shi Biao (Memorial on the Case to Go to War), or any of the poems by Cao Cao or his sons (they're all accomplished poets in their own right).
All this happened in the 200’s btw.
Its hard to think all this could happen, the sizes of the countries, the army sizes, the casualties, wow. To be fair it is china which is populated but still for the 200’s this is a crazy battle
I thought there was gonna be more casualties honestly
@Skeedale1234 The population of China at that time was nearing one of it's lowest ever though, cuz, lots of wars and everything going on for a long time already. Once China stabilised in the Sui-Tang Dynasties their population started to skyrocket...and so does their average military casualties when they go to war
@@Ocro555Oh yeah I forgot there was about 25m people
@Skeedale1234 The casualties were probably much higher than what is shown here. The population of China near 200AD was near 61M and once China was reunified in 280AD, it was only 38M.
@@alexandrebabin6885 That's not civilian casualties
Also it may be lower because of wrong estimation and less birth
An impressive effort. Though a few things to note.
The yellow territory which you labelled for Liu Bei/Shu Han should only begin from 208CE. Prior to the decisive Battle of Red Cliffs that year which laid the foundations for the Three Kingdoms' sphere of influence and eventual territory, Liu Bei was not strong enough to have any stable territory to begin with. Rather, he wandered and attached himself from one warlord to another, with only his charisma that allowed him to maintain a very loyal support that followed him everywhere.
Instead, before 208, those yellow territories in Jingzhou province (present day Hubei) belonged to his cousin Liu Biao, who died before Red Cliffs, but not before he named Liu Bei as his successor. Its only after Red Cliffs that Liu Bei started to have a geographical stronghold from which to expand his empire.
Losing the vital crossroads province of Jingzhou to Sun Quan/Eastern Wu was a blow that Liu Bei/Shu Han never really recovered from. Hemmed in by the mountains of Sichuan, Shu Han could only play a defensive battle. All Zhuge Liang, Liu Bei's strategist and chancellor, could do was keep on attacking Cao Wei and hope things go his way, but to no avail. Without Jingzhou, Shu Han was unable to launch an effective strike into Cao Wei.
Though Shu Han's relations with Sun Quan/Eastern Wu improved after Liu Bei's death, Eastern Wu was quite content to stay on their side of the Yangtze River, and so were not as eager as Shu Han were to use Jingzhou as a springboard to attack Cao Wei.
Finally, the map would have been more helpful and easier to read if you actually label the territories of the other prominent warlords like Yuan Shao, Lu Bu, Ma Teng, Gongsun Zang, Liu Biao and Liu Zhang, who were all major characters in the period between the Yellow Turban rebellion in 184 to the consolidation of territories into the eventual Three Kingdoms after the Battle of Red Cliffs in 208.
It's really good. Of course, southern China has not expanded its power as much as on the map over there. Southern China was an undeveloped area at the time. In reality, it is generally accepted that the national power of the Wei Dynasty, which occupied the North China Plain, was overwhelming.
Jiangnan was very developed even back then
The land of southern China was huge, but at the time it was mostly jungle. Excluding the major cities and some agricultural areas, it was like the Amazon. Many people don't know, but rhinos also lived in ancient China.
지도만 봐도 위나라가 면적은 비슷한데 군대가 많다.
Where do you even find the stats💀 edit: more likes than the creators comment lol
He witnessed it
😂
@@Ytcallumcooper won’t be surprised, he knows all about wars
He was there lil bro
@@binny2688 bro recorded the first cavemen fight
Shu's failure to restore the Han dynasty was due to Liu Bei's second brother which caused the fall of the vital Jing province.
2nd brother as in an oathsworn brother-at-arms, the Martial Sage Guan Yu?
The real problem in question was Liu Bei's brother-in-law Sun Quan, who had been desiring for the entirety of Jingzhou since his father Sun Jian's death at the hands of the general Huang Zu, subordinate of the elderly warlord Jingzhou Inspector Liu Biao. He already got his vengeance a few weeks before the Battle of Changban occurred.
Guan Yu was betrayed by Meng Da and Liu Feng when they refused sending reinforcements during the siege of Fan Castle and let the traitor Sun Quan conquer Jing. How exactly it's Guan Yu's fault?
Can you make Los Angeles fire map
Wait yeah that would be nice
the casualties were much, much higher than this
I think more than 10 million
@ chinese census data shows a population decrease of 34 million, not all of that can be accounted for by this war though of course so if we're very conservative and assume the war is only responsible for half of that that's still 17 million deaths
This is only military
"a small battle that took place on Ancient China between two kingdoms of Piu Piu and Xiao Linf. The battle had a small casualties of measly 10 Millions with the consequences being the fall of Monk Dynasty."
@@MountainFalls23101chinese census data in the years immediately before and after the war show a population decline of 34 million. not all of that can be attributed to the war probably but that still means the war resulted in millions upon millions upon millions of deaths
As a Chinese, this is too accurate that i don't event know the other states existed, keep up the great work 😊
he forgot to change wei to jin
Oversimplified moment
I very much hope you can make a video about the Taiping Rebellion in the future❤
For those who dont understand what are the names of the dynasties, it’s the wu,zhu and jin dynasty
...what? It' the Wu, Shu, and Wei Dynasties (Wei later on had a coup and became Jin somewhere around 265AD in the vid)
Wu(吴) Shu(蜀)and Wei(魏)later Jin(晋)
Dynasty Warriors , LU BU is here !!!
Casualties ratios and the units are kinda crazy
The thing is, this was normal back then. Who knows how much people died during the collapses of Chinese dynasties from 3000 BC to 1912 AD. These civil wars were like World wars to the people living there, since all they knew was China.
Never skip map in a nutshell
Is it possible to you to make a Boshin war please.
Fr been waiting for so long 😂
Apparently this was the most deadly war in world history as defined by percentage of total population killed.
Đa số các cuộc chiến ở châu âu trước thời phục hưng quy mô tính bằng ngàn còn ở châu á máy trăm ngàn là khá phổ biến
Its crazy that the northern army has over 500 000 troops in the year 277.
I love the Galimulator music and style.
Suggestion:
The Ming-Qing transition with army sizes
discord link in his bio
0:55 how its 6 flags with 55k soldiers
1 flag = 10,000
it's rounded
You should do the california wildfires with casualties being structures destroyed next
(At that time Yúnnan was the territory of Meng hou until 225) (and Gongsun zan died 199, and Korean territory and parts of Lyao dung were occupied by Goguryo)
IS THAT AN OVERSIMPLIFIED REFERENCE?!?!?!
It is an oversimplified reference
nu uh, its just a war
This war lasted 70 years between wei which is blue shu is yellow and wu is red they fought for many years and in the end the Wei kingdom had a civil war and the Victor's would call themselves Jin and would go on to establish the Jin dynasty
vietnam and korea used to be in the same country?
Magnificent 👏 🔥 👏 🔥
You should do Battle for Australia next
Interesting map!
However, there are some rooms to correct.
One big example is Shu (Led by Liubei) in 190’s.
This map : big in south China
Real history : small in north China
Awesome vid, thanks!
Very good video, from China with love ❤
It's crazy to think this war had more causalities in the 200s than the entire American civil war.
Cao cao doesn’t seem so great after all
Also how did he recover from red cliffs?
0:02 there are more than three factions...
Which got conquered by 3 factions
@@yukunchen4492 Which got conquered by 1 faction. So yes, there were 3 factions in some period as this was a classical battle royale.
As a Chinese, I'm very happy to see you making video of our Chinese history😁👍
1:37 In the Later Han era, in AD 190, Gansu province was occupied by Xianbei tribes while divided north and south, not the Han-Chinese. After 100 years, they invaded Chinese land as a route to Xi'an, and that map was wrong.
3:22 Liaohe River(遼河) of Liaodong Peninsula was massive wetlands and reed fields in the Ancient period, and it was not an actual area dominated by the local Governor(太守). Should More reduce the Purple map to the inner side. Moreover, it has been divided into Lelang Commandery(樂浪郡) and Liaodong Commandery(遼東郡), and Lelang Governor dominated Pyeongan Province of the Korean Peninsula.
0:43 Originally, Vietnam (越族) lived in Guangzhou province including the mountainous area of Jiangxi Province, Fujian Province. Since the whole area of northern China was burned by the Xianbei tribe's invasion, the Chinese refuge changed southren area to their culture for a long time.
4:05 The domination area of Shu Han was extremely limited and only collected taxation and conscription to residents where Sichuan Plain because it became civilized during the Han dynasty era. In other southern regions was a huge gap between Language & race & culture, they couldn't enter Yunnan Province due to jungle and malaria risk.
i love it!!
Where are the speeches???
...
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Bro wants him to find speeches from 2000 years ago...
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Pretty impressive how china suffered a lot of civil wars yet is one of the most populated countries in the world
You should make Russo-Japanese War Next please!
Đại Chiến Tam Quốc IRL 💀
You make the Qing-Tayson War pls
Next video: fall of han destiny ( qin han war mapping
brilliant
The casualty data is unavailable, I think.
Day three of asking for Battle Of Cartagena de Indias
Amazing video BTW
Which one is Liu Bei?
Shu Han,the yellow one.
공손 가문이 평양 까지 먹음??
Dude i just watched the oversimplified version of three kingdom
BIG W
This is not true 蜀 and吳’s troops added together should be only around 50000 to 60000
I only know this from oversimpiflied
wheres the source
کارت خوب بود ولی صدای جنگ را نزاشتی با تشکر ❤❤
Anybody else play this one on Total War?
As a fan of Romance of Three Kingdoms, I can say this video was the worst map ever I've seen
Accurate borders of ancient Chinese kingdoms are really hard to map out though. To what extent of the inaccuracy this video is I do not know, but if you're using Romance of the Three Kingdoms as a source you wouldn't be 100% right either. RTK is a fictional novel based on true history, albeit with many details distorted & edited. Kind of like a mega fan fic.
Thank you. As another fan I too say that this is such a bad map, doesn't even label the names of the generals except the 3 kingdoms, as if we're supposed to guess
As a fan of the Records and Annotations of Three Kingdoms of Chinese History, I can agree that this is the absurdly laziest map I've ever wasted more minutes in this video...
Hefei, Chang'an, the inaccuracies go on and on
Where even the flying bollocks is Lü Bu already in Yuzhou during the entire Coalition against the Tyrant
Go make one if you can do bud
I think you forgot the part where Ancient America conquered Beijing in 2 days
So native americans?
Epic
Oversimplified...
Hello
Han Chinese "We are so peaceful!"
Gojoseon: "Nah uh"
@침착맨
침국지ㄷ
2 minutes posted and 12 comments already? lol
好家伙,吃瓜吃到自己家?
Chinese history be like: Yu Wong takes power millions perish
Then 啞的 takes control of the north. 500000 quadrillion deaths
Do next vedio sdf vs sna
and show casualties
The Qin Dynasty united China at last.
太多错误的地方
W video
👍👍👍👍👍👍
My ancestors died in this period 😭
How are you here then if your ancestors died?
Всем приятного просмотра
Yes
You got the map wrong
蜀は軍拡しすぎて破滅します。
It was going to be destroyed anyways if they showed little (because Ji-Han IS little compared to it's pretentious powerful realmwide neighbors)
蜀汉的官员和将领都是外来的中原人,如果不对外征服,他们就不能手里握有大量的士兵,没有这些士兵他们就不能控制当地人😅。这一点是孙吴和曹魏没有的问题,他们都是当地人统治当地人。只有刘备是从一开始的地盘一路流浪过来的。
So that's how China was developed😮
@@RanielvhongBlando no, it was unified during the Qin Dynasty
Most peaceful day in China
Oh
Crazy thing is that if you add the casualty rate of the other kingdoms that didn’t survive would be between 36 - 40 Million 💀
No, it seems he is only showing military casualties for the 3 kingdoms anyways the casualties for the other states and factions combined were not that high
@@gummilad2those numbers are real look them up. Cao Cao (in blue) when he invaded his enemy on the east coast. He pillaged over a 100,000 civilians, could’ve been almost 200,000. If we put civilian numbers, it would be a completely different story
hi guys :3
Citation needed and that is too simplified
worse than simplified
inaccurately depicted is what is uploaded
존나 대충 만들었네
Had to watch it again and again in horror
욕해서 죄송합니다 다노
WTF almost 100 Years for worthless war
Guess what, another century more of unsurprising suffering to come after 20 years of peace under a single conquering ruler, broken by an incapable successor and royal kindred! (Northern-Southern Dynasties)
Map is inaccurate mate
고조선 왜 안망하냐?
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Everyone is first until you refresh the page
Hello!i am come from Hong Kong
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