KIA EV9 Door Dissection: What’s Inside?
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- Take a closer look at the KIA EV9 with our in-depth door dissection! In this video, Carl carefully remove and analyze the components of the EV9 doors, uncovering the innovative engineering and design features that make this electric SUV stand out.
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Carl is a fantastic teacher. He's got the knack for explaining complex design decisions. Thanks!
Agreed - other than Sandy, Carl is really emerging as the star of this channel.
Carl 2024 😎🤣
As an engineer, This is why I watch Munro
Thanks!
@@MunroLive my squirrels nuts. what else?
Top tier tour and explanation of design and processes. Smart guy.
I love seeing a video with Carl. He's so informative and well spoken. He explains pretty complex processes in a very understandable way.
Thanks for another really great video. I love your insights. Cheers
Glad you like them!
Everything being designed to be "Non-repairable"...
As always, "right to repair" versus "need to repair" - if thing does not broke, you have no need to repair it
But can you imagine the ease of replacement of the window motor or regulator with this cartridge design? Bing bang boom! Done! Most of the rest of just a big plastic"bracket."
THANKS CARL AND MUNRO 🤗 FOR SHARING THIS 💚💚💚
Carl is the GOAT. Amazing video.
Cybertruck has frameless windows
That's definitely one reason to have the stiff metal rails, very true!
13:35 That's where road debris hits the doors. Rockers also get hit a lot too.
... resulting in paint damage and corrosion. I love plastic protection on sills (rockers) for this reason.
As always Carl rocks!❤
Good stuff Carl!
Thanks
Great video and explanation. Thanks!
Thanks!
Awesome break down. KIA seems to update/redesign their vehicles every 2 years. Tesla much much less frequently. Tesla focuses on manufacturing cost reductions every year. KIA brings a different look almost every year. I think that difference dictates the construction/assembly, bc you can't build highly efficient/custom lines if you're constantly changing the design.
Is it possible that the tesla door assembly is just re-used (with a different rail) from model 3/Y or that that is the plan for the future? 1 door unit for all doors in all models?
I hate aluminum doors. Audi doors feel super cheap and they pick up dents like crazy and the dents are really expensive to repair.
Strange, I've had aluminum doors now on 4 cars (3 Teslas, one NSX) and never have gotten a door ding and they feel as solid as my old Lexus. Sounds like the skin maternal Audi used is too thin or you are unlucky with people really slamming their doors into your car in parking lots. Normally when using aluminum, it requires thicker material than steel, yet can have the same strength while being lighter. Using the same thickness aluminum as steel would not be wise.
@@tesla_tap Yeah I think they are really thin. Pointless as the e-Tron still weighs 5700 lb. I would take steel EV9 doors just for the door feel.
@@Ficon Yikes, that's about 1000 lbs over the Model S. Prehaps the Audi was going to be even heavier, so they thinned the doors even more than they should to save a few pounds. Those EV9 doors look heavy duty!
@@tesla_tap It’s a much nicer and quieter car and not built on a dedicated EV platform.
Since the EV9 is pretty low volume and Hyundai/Kia has many more similar vehicles to pull parts from, I'm guessing the front door module is likely shared with another vehicle (like a Palisade/Telluride) and the rear window regulator like is shared from a different vehicle. Tesla, however, has never built anything like the Cybertruck and therefore doesn't really have anything similar to pull parts from. There are pros and cons to both approaches.
Also, in terms of material costs and Kia's choice to use less expensive but heavier materials for the doors, remember that the EV9 price tops out where the Rivian _starts_ . Yes, you can buy an EV9 that costs as much as an entry level Rivian R1S, but you can also buy an EV9 for $15-20k less than that. Material choices for things like body panels are largely dictated by the least expensive trim level.
An exceptionally educational and informative summary by Carl, I liked the Taco Bell reference with respect to door linings. The Kia front door lining car is really well thought out and implemented. I hope that the window actuator cable is stainless steel as when corroded window cables snap they are an expensive repair. The Cyber truck has no framing to the doors and so the extended steel window guides are perhaps a necessity to maintain alignment of the glass.
Carl points out every detail, and the details within the details. He knows his stuff, and it shows.
Great dissemination of the Kia door, very thorough and informative. Carl is an excellent explainer! 👍👍👍
Much appreciated!
The clamps on the glass are different to the F150 because of 2 things, the construction of the glass, and supplier... i reckon the KIA has laminated which doesn't allow to drill a hole in to the glass for the quick snap, so they need to bond their brackets to the glass and PHA which is the likely supplier for KIA doesn't have much experience with quick snaps, that's more Brose style window regulators.
Correct, Kia front window glass is laminated (back windows on higher trims too).
CARL: you did it again! I came to video thinking "Door dissection? Really? Who cares!" At video end I'm thinking "wow!...fascinating look at behind-the-scenes design and implementation." I'm a bit surprised the Tesla team seemed to deviate from their usual "first principles, less-is-more" approach. Wonder if Tesla took a time-saving short-cut with first gen CT design in order to get the truck out to market, which they intend to improve and fix next time around?
Well done! Thanks.
Carl is back
I work day to day as a window mechanism and door lock mechanic(fixer). I'd like to discuss with you deeply about door module(window mechanism) why cybertruck is like it is. Shortly saying is that tesla is frameless and have to have it like that
It struck me that the style of thinking, analysis, and design seem very similar to how I approach the computer code that I write and maintain. Concepts such as "1st principals" can be applied to any type of engineering or activity.
Carl, there is an elephant in the room that you aren't addressing. You are comparing apples and oranges. The tesla window does not have an upper window frame, which guides the window and keeps it in place while the car is at speed. The cyber truck and all teslas are frameless windows and need to be held in place with robust guide rails to keep the windows tight against the rubber seals at speed. I thought that you would see the doors are not even close in design and application.
Thank you Carl!
This is the stuff Munro live is good at. More of this … less product reviews imo
Greetings. So impressed with this dude. How he breaks stuff down. Thank you.
Don't deal with the problem, solve the problem.
Which doors get the most use? The front or the rear?
Please focus on the sound deadning of the car
You really have not had nearly enough videos on the Cybertruck. Love to see exposed analysis of the castings. More on how the Cybertrucks skin was attached. You mentioned laser welding in this vide, but we never say that in a cybertruck video.
Carl is the best at Monroe for explaining automotive engineering. Sandy and the team are lucky to have him on board.
We agree!
Can you organize the cybertruck videos into one folder please
We have them in a playlist! th-cam.com/play/PLkiDlGyJnprdWNHCqnFQpduyfAC-jpV7n.html
Another great presentation. looking forward to the next.
More to come!
An amazing Video wirh an amazing Host. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
EXCELLENT VIDEO
nuff said.
Much appreciated
One of the best videos on this Channel.
Glad you think so!
Yet another great video. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wait, I don't remember seeing a Cybertruck door video, what is Carl referring to? It would have been great to see the same number of videos dedicated to the Cybertruck that Sandy had with the Model Y, but the Cybertruck content has been very sporadic. I would have thought there would have been dozens of them! (I would be there for that!)
Way cool. Learning so much. I happen to own a Kia EV9. So especially attractive subject for me naturally.
The way you guys teach so well reinforces my saying from years ago: “Never impose today upon tomorrow, it never works…never!” -GM
Carl does a great job explaining complex parts and processes, and how the automotive industry works in general. All from looking at a component or sub-assembly. He breaks it down with simple and clear explanations, and always is a joy to watch. Thanks Munro!
Thank you
You're welcome
Very clearly described. Made very interesting. Most impressive for something like a door.
Love to listen to Carl's opinion! Can we get segment on design efficiency versus reparability?
I agree with Carl the outside door panels are junk. And it's funny how the inside door panels are almost the same from decades ago.
100% agree about the plastic cladding. I call this "Pontiac cladding" as that brand made some of the ugliest vehicles known to man in the 90's by covering them with trashy plastic cladding; back then suspected that their target market was trailer parks. Perhaps some buyers like that crap, but I *far* prefer full-metal doors where you use the car's shape to provide styling.
However, reviewers do complain that cars are "plain" when they don't have tons of cladding, so I kinda understand why manufacturers do it, but Tesla had the right idea with it's "plain" exterior designs and I sincerely hope that they don't start adding plastic crap to the exterior of their vehicles in the future.
I live in a horrible section of the Rust Belt and find that my vehicles always start rusting under or around any plastic cladding. I hate plastic cladding.
Working for Honda for over 25 years doing new model development, this is exactly the thought process we go through for every new model. It's good to let the public know all the hard work and thought that goes into the automotive business.
is that the 75 per cent and the 25 per cent destination but you go but don’t arrive…. but do the time (black hole).. warp…
#whoadorescarl
Thanks Carl. GM gets the short stick for being old school, but looking at even the 2017 Bolt EV, the hood, fenders, doors and hatch are aluminum and there are advanced composites as well. GM has also dealt with bonding aluminum and steel in the body structure. The new kids on the block manufacturers get press, but GM quietly incorporates similar technology. Too bad GM doesn’t have a charismatic promoter like Musk.
Audi pioneered lots of aluminum use in lots of stuff...over 20 years ago, audi aluminum hoods,doors frames,braces
@@cengeb Audi deserves credit, thanks for mentioning that.
GM has pioneered countless automotive techniques and materials, but has always lacked singular vision, usually gets the bugs worked out right before they cancel the car, etc. They pioneered most of the basic elements of the modern EV, but never put them together and decided to conquer the world. Those employees, though, went to Tesla.
@@jamesengland7461 Exactly. GM has some of the deepest knowledge of battery technology and battery chemistry, having worked on batteries since the 1960s. One of their earliest examples was an electric Corvair about 1966, just a one-off demo. Next was small number of G series full size vans in the mid 1970s. We’ve all heard of the EV-1 (originally bearing the poorly chosen name, “Impact.”) which was made from quite a few Saturn parts bin components, The EV-1 platform had several other versions in very tiny numbers win Diesel power plants, etc. GM has electrified things other than automobiles over the years, so there is probably some institutional memory, but with the reorganization after the 2009 bust, who knows how much was retained. It seems like as soon as GM gets good at doing something they shoot their own foot by quitting success.
14:00 That is just the dumbest thing ever. HATE those "decorative" panels.
Going to be really easy to add Dyna Matt to the Kia door for ones stereo upgrades. My Toyota Venza was constructed very similar, including the rear door.
Carl has a wonderful talent for sharing and comparing the logic behind manufactured articles. Fantastic!
he doesnt mention crash testing which one has better side crash testing results the cheap tube or the wider one great explanation
If the 12 volt battery dies in the Kia ev9, how do you get into the vehicle. I am told that the door key is not mechanical
Front door design guy didn’t talk to back door design guy. Something got carried over.
Service ability matter. All welded one piece is not prudent
Is Kia using MobAI or similar design method?
Ahoy! Carl is back.
Great Presentation!
Carl is the best
Just had a similar situation in my work, my customer chose a more expensive design to manufacture because it reduced the R&D costs.
You were being too expensive? 😅
Wait.... how do you replace the window cables without replacing half a door????
I've never replaced a window cable.
I would rather have the Kia Ev9 rear door. If something tboned the vehicle and was less wide and less high of the door, it would protect better.
All vehicles are thoroughly independently crash tested and require to meet or exceed standards. Side impact protection is a major aspect ... clearly both doors have to be able to provide that protection even though one may look a stronger design to the human eye.
WEEEEE
I loved the term “Taco Bell interiors.”
That's how most restaurants work.
Where is sandy
In a meeting.
Making money 😅
Isn't that pipe looking thing in the door a beam to protect the occupants in a side impact?
Yes
That's what he said in the video ...
it would be cool to look inside of NIO EL8 and dozens of sensor on the roof. Interior inside that NIO is even better that GT version on this KIA, steering , however , is crap on NIO.
This guy is weird!
Team weird!
@@MunroLive Amen. Still better than Sandy that coughs up hairballs so through his segments and concentrates on cup holders and makeup mirror lights. I don't think he could set the time on VCR, and still uses cassettes tapes because he likes that you can just stick them in the player and they will play. This is the type of guy that thinks Spotify is too confusing.
The front and rear door on the Kia are completely different size and shape. You need 2 different plastic panels and moldings, which will be a lot more expensive than bolting the window lifter from behind in the rear door.
Not a good analysis at all.
Try again
That is how they ended up, but there was no physical design reason for them to end up like they didn. Like Carl said, other things at play...
@@rkan2 As I said, there is a big reason to make the doors different. The shape of the front and rear doors is completely different. Rear door goes over the wheel arch on most cars, while the front door's rear part is a straight line. You're listening to what he is telling you without thinking at all.
Carl is fantastic. The Cybertruck is awful. The less time spent on it the better.
Tesla has bullet-proof glass that requires metal supports, so it can stop metal and bullets. Poor job on munros part...
The glass on the CT is NOT bulletproof.. the stainless steel skin is bulletproof, to certain calibers. The glass is only a bit stronger and more crack resistance to impacts.. NOT bulletproof to anything that we know of. If you have evidence otherwise, you'll to provide it. Tesla, nor anyone else I have ever seen, claims the glass to be bulletproof.
Kia has laminated glass.
The glass isn't bullet proof.
"this one is made ether out of steel or aluminium"... if you cant tell the difference, you dont have credencials to discuss about engineering and make videos
The wording means that in a manufacturing process a door of this construction can be made out of steel or aluminium. It doesn't mean he doesn't know the difference! A Munro engineer without credentials (spelled correctly) really? Oh, and "either" has an "i" in it.