His explanation at 11:30 of injection/casting shrink marks is much more concise than anything I've seen before. I was messing with finite element analysis, but all I had to do was draw a circle.
Holy Shrink!! Who knew material shrinkage could be so fascinating? When he flipped the plastic panel over to show the hexagonal indentations, it all clicked. That reveal was a nice touch!
Very clear and concise explanation. Great job. I am amazed at all of what the Munro group does and it continues to showcase the advanced engineering that goes into Tesla autos.
The i3-design to showcase the material was transforming a bug into a feature. Smart design 😎 …and I actually liked the surface in the BMW i3 doors and front panel.
0:55 I believe Tesla is opting to include individual door control modules vs integrating them into the body controller as a test of their "Unboxed" process in a production environment. This allows Tesla to test / homologate individual doors before installing them into the vehicle. Once all the components are integrated into the vehicle a final integration test can be performed by the vehicle itself to ensure everything is working together. This approach is similar to how NASA tests new rocket components where they fly the new parts on old rockets before they fly them as an entirely new rocket. What do you think?
It also simplifies the cable harness in general. One connector that at most has 8 wires into the door that need to go along the hinge. 2 for GND/+48V, 2 for CAN, 2 for digital audio, and 2 for the SRS. Only the power pair is "think", but again at 48V current 1/4.
That is a brilliant analogy using rocket design with old tried and true components (which historically, you know are proven) in the new overall rocket design. Good observation.
I think this is a rear seat door, so you have to consider child safety. If child locks are enabled but the child can open the door anyway, that would be a big problem.
Excellent video comparing trade offs for weight and aesthetics. I appears that while the stainless steel is a design feature it may not be as big a structural feature as originally believed. How much weight could be saved by redesigning the skin to use either steel or aluminum sheet metal. The door is a good example. It would not look identical but you might save hundreds of pounds which translates to higher range or smaller batteries.
Excellent content! Keep up the high energetic spirit growing.. To a Sandy level. We need many “Munros” barking out the reality… with insight and vision.
Carl, thanks for explaining the details. Suggest that you stage your demo space ahead of time, so that you're not stacking assemblies on top of another brand's assembly. Remember to define your terms for those unfamiliar with car design.
A++ video Carl! You are promoted to be the new full-time Munro Live teacher. When in doubt, should you have another nerd teaching opportunity moment, the answer is always yes!
I think they hide the rear emergengy release under a rubber mat because of children... You don't want them physically being able to open the door without any latch... Maybe a mechanical latch with a mechanical lock would work better but then good luck getting out of any mechanically child-locked vehicle.
I love Carl's videos, so clear and makes potentially boring content interesting for even me who's not an engineer 😁 Munro is great too, but for very different reasons (raw passion, and different knowledge and experience )
I was about to write that Carl has an excellent presentation style, and then I saw that Henry has already drawn attention to this. Kudos Carl. I look forward to seeing more of your discussions.
The frameless doors on the CyberTruck a style choice. The door controller module enables Tesla to assemble and test the doors independently. A bit of the unboxed system influence. Having fixed a few window regulators I love the huge access hole in the Tesla door.
@@pasad335anyone who actually knows what they’re talking about knows that you’re wrong in that. Every vehicle is constantly performing its own tests on itself as it is assembled on the line.
@@pasad335 Tesla continues to collect data after the car is sold. This helps Tesla understand how to improve the car. This is an advantage. Yes people pay to help Tesla test FSD. Neat trick I doubt we will see that happen again.
Having just replaced a window regulator, I agree and love the huge access hole of the Tesla door and the simplicity of swapping the module. However, if any minor component fails in the door, I suspect a full module replacement will be the only available repair solution. Imagining the cost of the Tesla integrated door module is scary.
@@chrisgraham2904 My expectations are that we will see a ecosystem of 3rd party repair parts build up around the CyberTruck as they come out of warranty. That is dependent on it continuing to ramp.
The ford window regulator clips remind me of the plastic clamps VW used on the 99.5-05 Jetta and Golf, which were very failure prone. The plastic gets brittle when cold, breaks, and the window falls into the door.
This ammount of optimisations is really only possible because of vertical integration. As he says in the video, in traditional manufacturing every team is only incentivised to optimize their module. You need a lot of collaboration to create a global maximum optimization where you can intelligently trade door panel features against battery range. Well done, Tesla!!
All tesla interiors are super boring black or white, very few color choice or let alone materials! Bmw did the absolute perfect vertical integration in 2013 with the i3 while using mostly recycled and more sustainable materials, nothing will ever top that even Munro says it!
That cover for the inner door panel is a terrible choice. There is a reason trucks have durable plastic on the lower side of the inner door panels, especially the rear door. It tears easily, I found out the hard way, a very expensive mistake on my part.
I am converting a vehicle to electric and I am adding many features that the vehicle didn't have before. The solution has been to add a door module to each door that communicates via CAN bus. It makes the wiring much simpler and allows for more features to be added later without modifying the main wiring. I only need to run 4 wires thru the entire car. Much simpler than the original wiring with more features.
Carl is a natural at teaching. Thank you for another educational lecture.
Thanks for watching!
Very clear and precise, great explanation. Best on this channel yet i must say :)
agreed. Great explanations from him.
Keep nerding out! That's what we're here for. I learned something today!
Yeah I'd say if a video is an 18 minute breakdown of door panel design considerations, we're all already in a nerd moment
His explanation at 11:30 of injection/casting shrink marks is much more concise than anything I've seen before. I was messing with finite element analysis, but all I had to do was draw a circle.
❤ 3.14 is the magic number 🤣
well, thats the mistake on your side. you jumped right away on level 100 and didnt pass trought level 1.
Carl is so good at explaining complex stuff, from his cadence and giving clear examples wrapped in controlled nerdy passion.
This is exactly why I watch your videos. Learning this level of detail is so value and is unique to your videos.
Never be sorry for nerding out here! That's what we're here for!
Amen
Title of the video could be, "Managing design trade-offs" excellent discussion of engineering trade offs!
At this moment i am trading with a lot of variables and cant get clue which way is better... 😂
Holy Shrink!! Who knew material shrinkage could be so fascinating? When he flipped the plastic panel over to show the hexagonal indentations, it all clicked. That reveal was a nice touch!
Great video, love the "shrinkage" explanation. 😂
Very clear and concise explanation. Great job. I am amazed at all of what the Munro group does and it continues to showcase the advanced engineering that goes into Tesla autos.
carls videos are some of my favorite, you can tell he has passion for what he does
Another amazing video by Munro and Carl.
Glad you enjoyed it
Loved the nerd moment, It was very informative.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The i3-design to showcase the material was transforming a bug into a feature. Smart design 😎 …and I actually liked the surface in the BMW i3 doors and front panel.
They also did that while using mostly recycled and more sustainable materials! Why doesn't tesla copy that?
0:55 I believe Tesla is opting to include individual door control modules vs integrating them into the body controller as a test of their "Unboxed" process in a production environment. This allows Tesla to test / homologate individual doors before installing them into the vehicle. Once all the components are integrated into the vehicle a final integration test can be performed by the vehicle itself to ensure everything is working together. This approach is similar to how NASA tests new rocket components where they fly the new parts on old rockets before they fly them as an entirely new rocket. What do you think?
And do not forget the speaker integration... it eliminates two more wires....
It also simplifies the cable harness in general. One connector that at most has 8 wires into the door that need to go along the hinge. 2 for GND/+48V, 2 for CAN, 2 for digital audio, and 2 for the SRS. Only the power pair is "think", but again at 48V current 1/4.
why do you have a need to use this type of grammar "test / homologate"?
They’ve essentially discovered the process German manufacturers have been using since the early 2000s. Well done 👏
That is a brilliant analogy using rocket design with old tried and true components (which historically, you know are proven) in the new overall rocket design. Good observation.
Love watching Carl videos! More Please!!
Top presentation. Clear, precise and to the point.
Hey this is exactly what I come here for. Next level integration, what a great team at Munro.
It's not next level integration lol!!! Bmw did that while actually using recycled materials and much sustainable ones a decade ago.
Note to Tesla: what good is an emergency release that is hidden? Make it a feature, like the RESCUE label on a jet fighter.
I think this is a rear seat door, so you have to consider child safety. If child locks are enabled but the child can open the door anyway, that would be a big problem.
Awesome vid as always guys and props to Carl for his knowledge and geek moment 😅
14:04 So Carl provides this amazing explanation but at the same time says "sorry for that long explanation". Thank you...again, great explanation
thank you for the explanation!
You're very welcome!
Excellent video comparing trade offs for weight and aesthetics. I appears that while the stainless steel is a design feature it may not be as big a structural feature as originally believed. How much weight could be saved by redesigning the skin to use either steel or aluminum sheet metal. The door is a good example. It would not look identical but you might save hundreds of pounds which translates to higher range or smaller batteries.
It's fun to learn from Carl!
I love the overall systems approach. Each item is important, but the overall system is still the point!
Just like every other manufacturers lol!!!!
Always learn something new with Carl, great information!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome review and explanations!! Thanks
This is one of the best guys explaining stuff in Munro, more videos please!
Please keep nerding us out Carl! Love it. Cheers
Very informative and well explained!!! Awesome content!
I'm geeking out and loving every minute of this, you guys. Keep up the great teardowns. Awesome stuff.
Carl is a STAR!!! Love his insight.
Superstar!
The shrink explanation was perfect. Thanks for the video.
When you see Carl, you know it will be good.
Got to agree with comments. Passion in every word of application. Quarter past ten in the morning, banging that out was ace.
This is gold material! Thanks Carl :-)
Excellent content! Keep up the high energetic spirit growing.. To a Sandy level. We need many “Munros” barking out the reality… with insight and vision.
Almost skipped out, but he drew me back in with his enthusiasm for the craft. This man is an absolute joy to learn from ❤️
Amazing, Carl! Great watch on a Friday night!
Another great video from Carl, keep em coming!
That was an incredibly useful nerd moment, I understand so much more about what I am seeing in various plastic moldings. Thank you for going into it!
Carl, thanks for explaining the details. Suggest that you stage your demo space ahead of time, so that you're not stacking assemblies on top of another brand's assembly. Remember to define your terms for those unfamiliar with car design.
Awesome video Carl. Thanks for sharing your engineering knowledge.
Thanks for watching!
excellent love the details
Don’t apologize for a nerd moment, we love the insight. Thats why we watch these videos 😎
The Munro channel is full of great pearls of wisdom compiled from many life-times of engineering experience.
Thanks Carl for the enlightening overview!
🤔...Carl giving a masterclass of saying this sucks with directly saying it sucks, well done and thank you for your silent honesty
A++ video Carl! You are promoted to be the new full-time Munro Live teacher. When in doubt, should you have another nerd teaching opportunity moment, the answer is always yes!
Great info; thanks!
I think they hide the rear emergengy release under a rubber mat because of children... You don't want them physically being able to open the door without any latch... Maybe a mechanical latch with a mechanical lock would work better but then good luck getting out of any mechanically child-locked vehicle.
You guys are soooo thorough its insane.
Thank you for this channel. Satisfies my engineering brain 🧠
I love Carl's videos, so clear and makes potentially boring content interesting for even me who's not an engineer 😁
Munro is great too, but for very different reasons (raw passion, and different knowledge and experience )
A Carl video is always a great video! Interesting start to finish every time :)
Carl needs his own channel
Excellent breakdown and explanation!
Wow! What a great, informative video; very well organized and presented. I don't know how I stumbled across this channel, but now I'm subscribed!
Forecast volume and market segment will also drive many design decisions. Great video!
I’ve seen surface pull back on exposed parts quite a few times. Some engineers don’t care or were ordered, “just do it anyway.”
AWESOME content as always!
I was about to write that Carl has an excellent presentation style, and then I saw that Henry has already drawn attention to this. Kudos Carl. I look forward to seeing more of your discussions.
Is this why the door panels come off when you slam the door?
Very good video Carl! You’re a wealth of knowledge bud. Thanks for the work you do.
“I’m mostly an interior person.”
Same.
Thanks Carl! Extremely instructive.
Thank you for such detailed explanations. I really appreciate these videos.
You're very welcome!
The frameless doors on the CyberTruck a style choice.
The door controller module enables Tesla to assemble and test the doors independently.
A bit of the unboxed system influence.
Having fixed a few window regulators I love the huge access hole in the Tesla door.
Using the words 'Tesla' and 'test' in the same sentence is a joke. Everyone knows they use their customers as the testers.
@@pasad335anyone who actually knows what they’re talking about knows that you’re wrong in that.
Every vehicle is constantly performing its own tests on itself as it is assembled on the line.
@@pasad335 Tesla continues to collect data after the car is sold. This helps Tesla understand how to improve the car. This is an advantage.
Yes people pay to help Tesla test FSD. Neat trick I doubt we will see that happen again.
Having just replaced a window regulator, I agree and love the huge access hole of the Tesla door and the simplicity of swapping the module. However, if any minor component fails in the door, I suspect a full module replacement will be the only available repair solution. Imagining the cost of the Tesla integrated door module is scary.
@@chrisgraham2904 My expectations are that we will see a ecosystem of 3rd party repair parts build up around the CyberTruck as they come out of warranty. That is dependent on it continuing to ramp.
So much helps me to appreciate good engineering planning and my cyber truck as well. Thx
The ford window regulator clips remind me of the plastic clamps VW used on the 99.5-05 Jetta and Golf, which were very failure prone. The plastic gets brittle when cold, breaks, and the window falls into the door.
I learned a few new things here. Well worth the watch.
14:00 don't apologize for sharing hard earned knowledge. Especially so when it is presented and explained so well.
Thank you Carl, informative as usual.
Professor Carl has spoken 🎤🫳🙏❤
This ammount of optimisations is really only possible because of vertical integration.
As he says in the video, in traditional manufacturing every team is only incentivised to optimize their module.
You need a lot of collaboration to create a global maximum optimization where you can intelligently trade door panel features against battery range.
Well done, Tesla!!
Nonsense!!! Other manufacturers actually gives you choice! Other manufacturers literally makes some cars with almost 100% carbon fiber.
All tesla interiors are super boring black or white, very few color choice or let alone materials! Bmw did the absolute perfect vertical integration in 2013 with the i3 while using mostly recycled and more sustainable materials, nothing will ever top that even Munro says it!
So Cybertruck's door is heavier and more expansive than Ford's. Where is the improvement again?
@@MikaPopp One improvement might be safety, when some other vehicle crashes into your side of the truck.
This Guy is incredible
Carl you are great!
Great analysis! 👏👏😍😍
Keep nerding out. We love it!
Amazing content! 🍻
Thank you Carl, I really appreciate the insight you give us into how assemblies are manufactured.
That cover for the inner door panel is a terrible choice. There is a reason trucks have durable plastic on the lower side of the inner door panels, especially the rear door. It tears easily, I found out the hard way, a very expensive mistake on my part.
Nice job Carl
Great video
Wow, am I turning into a plastics nerd too? This is fascinating.
Thank you for needing out, Carl!
Nice to see how simple and uncomplicated the door is and easy to fix yourself. Very cheap too.
Thank you!
Nice job!
A very interesting video. Thanks.
I find the emergency door release rather amusing because nobody in the car would know that it was there.
Thanks, learned something about injection molding today!
Loved the "physics" of shrink
Very well done ty
I love this video! Similar issue on 3/Y windows. I wish they had door frames.
Please don't apologize, we are here for the neardy stuff.
Overall, the cybertruck seems to be a well put together machine, going based on these teardowns.
Well done.
I am converting a vehicle to electric and I am adding many features that the vehicle didn't have before. The solution has been to add a door module to each door that communicates via CAN bus. It makes the wiring much simpler and allows for more features to be added later without modifying the main wiring. I only need to run 4 wires thru the entire car. Much simpler than the original wiring with more features.
Nerd-out ftw. Thanks! (Seems like successful production is a relay race, and relay races are a team sport.)
Thank you
This is awesome. I never knew why you can see the shape on the opposite side of plastic.