The biggest issue with "if you don't like the terms, go somewhere else" is that companies are free to change the terms of an agreement AFTER you have agreed to them.
Agree or disagree slash deny which means you can't use the service or product if it was unacceptable unfavorable terms conditions service. Movies are not worth preserving copyright too long stick to public domain creative Commons libre movies
But by accepting my money they have accepted the terms and conditions of my services which none of them have been able to meet I can print off a bunch of nonsense too it says by accepting my money you agree to the terms by continuing to service me well I can make up whatever I want after that point
It's not at all. People need to wake up about digital media, you are entering into a contract and they are giving you a licence to consume that media. Nobody is pointing a gun to make you 'sign' that contract that says we can do x, y, z. I'm sure many people here are gaming community adjacent, how many of you guys use Steam? You don't own those games, they sell you a licence to consume that content and Steam is the DRM. They can take away your entire library if they feel like it, or say 'hey guys, sign the new terms or you're outta here'. If I were to put a finger on it, I'd say the issue is two-fold, no longer encouraging and promoting active competition in many content spaces so people can choose better terms of content consumption, and people being unenthusiastic to vote with their wallet if they do actually have options to shop elsewhere. For example Steam, everyone is using it for convenience, they don't care someone can snap their fingers and Thanos their game collection - because the company is benevolent - for now.
Software "piracy" ISN'T theft by any definition anyway. It's copyright infringement. On the flip side, what these companies are doing by taking something you paid for off you is by definition theft, or at least destruction of property.
Lol, they're not even changing definitions there. They literally say that "ownership" does not mean "ownership". It's like saying 1 == 2. It's like saying true == false. If they just had something in there to say that "ownership" means thing x, y, and z, that'd be a changing of definition. No, this is so much weirder than that.
My breaking point was in 2020 when you could only watch A Charlie Brown Christmas on Apple TV. Before that it was FREE on TV from its beginning in 1965.
It was originally if a law is unjust it's not law and we have no obligation to follow it saint Augustine and Martin Luther King said something similar great minds think alike
Following @nodak81's comment, this happens: "We think paying our employees fairly instead of our shareholders is unjust." If a law is unjust, we need means to strike it down in a speedy manner, and get compensation for the time it was in effect. That way we limit abuse from all sides. And if we don't have the legal means, we should use mass civil disobedience, not individual cherry picking.
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The VERY moment we moved to digital media instead of physical, I for the most part stopped “Purchasing” movies. If you don’t have it in your hand, it can go away.
My stepsons thought I was crazy when I was telling them that with the new Xbox one making it "convenient" to download from the online store, that one day they won't be able to play those games and that they won't ever own the game. Well low and behold we fell on hard times and couldn't afford Internet and all the games they bought online couldn't be played...but the disk games I bought them could be...
@@stevelongoria9785 I mean that is more an internet thing than an Xbox thing. But I do agree that I just prefer physical copies for similar reasons, something could go wrong with the company and your account potentially. It might be a stretch, but not impossible. XD They should be able to play the downloaded single player games on their system, though I’m assuming they likely dont have many of those and do play more online. Though many companies do make content for their games that is mostly in the digital form. DLC’s and such.
Exactly. My "physical media" collection consists of commercial dvd's/blu-rays that I bought, and admittedly, stuff that I got from torrent sites, downloads that I also transferred to dvd-r because keeping hundreds of movies on your hard-drive is also foolish, because you still lose everything when your hard-drive dies..which is inevitable. Anyone who is serious about their film collection knows that having a physical copy is the only thing that makes sense..
There will be special happiness camps to help people like you appreciate the new arrangement. In the meantime, just keep practicing on making your face look like this: 😁
Good news~ If nothing can be owned, then nothing can be stolen~ Though I'd personally only apply that idea to whoever 'owns' the most, or whoever would bend the rules the most.
Me too.. really, the ONLY situation where that terminology would make sense is if the person is purchasing consumable goods, such as foods, drinks, snacks and etc. When it comes to your hardware and software, not a chance. I'm not going to play their game.
My grandma had an old laptop that she bought a dvd ripper and she would rip every dvd we got from netflix in the mail. She also got me into limewire. Now i continue her dvd legacy by finding movies online and ripping them as well as downloading a copy to an external hard drive. Miss you gram, i saved your dvds
@gustavedelior3683 my sister and I were around 11 downloading music. We downloaded what we thought was Taylor swift, instead we got some creepy dudes voice that scared us so bad we didn't touch the computer for a week. XD
"You wouldn't pirate a car would you?" Well now that everything in the modern car is getting tied to a software that connects to a cloud to operate.. we will be torrenting our cars if it comes down to it.
hope 3D printing with metals becomes a thing for end consumers soon, I want to download a car's 3D model and print it they told I wouldn't download a car, I would, I will, it's a matter of time
@@spitfire7170 3d printed metal parts aren't as strong as parts made by other means. They're porous and made up from dust that's losely bonded. It wouldn't work for printing a whole car.
@@Jadty Yep. "They" restrict CNC exports for that reason. It's only a matter of time before the plebes cannot have the same toys as government approved entites.
@@magnusnilsson9792 technically, any credit card purchase can be revoked if the seller fails to deliver what you bought to you. The seller has your money, you don’t have the product, simple as that.
Piracy is a legitimate source of competition that companies must acknowledge. If they fail to compete with it, it will only become more and more preferable to the alternative options available if even there.
man I tell ya there are websites that closely approximate a service that has everything ever put to film, available for streaming in an instant .. hard to compete with that
I feel the solution most corpos would think is that if they bribe enough politicians they can make sure that the government has you handed over to the company as a form of debt slavery when they discovered you viewed the media "illegally"
@@styleisaweapon You can compete by having a "download file" button And there actually was a service like that, where you could buy movies and they were provided as mkv files, and my old ISP had a contract with them giving me 80% discount on their 1 movie per week annual plan.
I have literally been pushed to it just recently. I have always believed in paying your way but their greed has no bounds and I cannot stomach it any more
This is why if there's a movie I love, I buy a physical copy of it. There have been many problems with "digital media" over the years, and it's not new information that "your" movie can be taken away at any point. Even when you own a physical movie, you don't "own" the movie, you own the disk it's contained on. Well unless you own the streaming company your movie is on, all bets are really off. Corporations aren't your friend, so there's no reasons to trust they won't cut off your access to anything just because you paid them. Support physical media when you can.. or sail the seven seas.
I will never stop supporting Physical Media, especially with these "boutique" labels like Vinegar Syndrome and Arrow restoring all these obscure, "lost" movies and package them in those beautiful cases. Nothing beats having an actual "Movie Library" in your own home.
Exactly. I bought the Rizzoli & Isles series DVDs a while back, since my wife and I rewatch that almost annually. This year we went to start our new watch on HULU, like every year for the past decade or so... and it was only available with the "Live" service. I'm sorry, that show ended like 10 years ago. It is not "Live" and I will not be paying you extra fucking money to watch it. *pulls out DVDs and gets started*
If you buy a piece of content or media, you should be able to download it in full resolution to your own local drive. This would be a very simple solution for customers who buy digital content in case a streaming company goes bankrupt.
I bought some videos from a site that went bankupt cant recall the name but a week before they shut down i used a downloading tool to grab all the videos i paid for, was it legal maybe maybe not but i paid for the damm things so i did not care what were they going to do sue while going bankupt?
There are digital stores where you buy and download, and streaming services where you pay temporary access to a digital library. Both options are available, there should be no confusion between the two.
Then you can buy and watch it again! 👍 In 2016, Micro$oft literally asked customers to pay a second time for something they already bought: During the development of Windows 10, Micro$oft removed a deeply integrated API that was required to make a widely used PC CD/DVD DRM program (SecuRom SafeDisc) work from the OS, because the manufacturer of that DRM has long gone defunct and supporting their outdated DRM became a growing security issue. This made the disc versions of hundreds upon hundreds of classic PC games from the late 90's to the early 10's unplayable, including games like Age of Empires 2, which were released by none other than Micro$oft themselves! When owners of legitimate disc copies of Age of Empires 2 asked for a solution on Micro$oft's support forum, an official support representative of Micro$oft literally told them to BUY a digital DRM version of the game they already bought a legitimate copy of! 🤦♂️ And by "DRM-free version" they did not mean the remaster dubbed "Definitive Edition". That only came out years later! They did mean the original version (+expansions) of the game that hasn't received an update in probably more than 10 years at that point! They literally asked their customers to pay twice for the same product!
Funnily enough, most of the affected games run perfectly fine on Linux, using a program called Lutris. Lutris creates a WINE compatibility layer that supports those old DRM programs without the need for kernel level system access. And the community install scripts Lutris provides can even remove the DRM for you, if you fancy not having to insert the disc every time. Who knew retro gaming is better on Linux than on Windows? 🤯 As someone who has played those games on old versions of Windows via dual-boot, virtual machines and even built a PC from old hardware (which proved quite unreliable) just for that purpose before switching to Linux, I can confidently say it's true though!
@@LRM12o8 Oh they finally got that working? Last I checked... which was circa 2015... you had to use kernel access among like 20 other tricks to do that and it still didn't work for all games. Any idea if Lutris works for PowerChess 98? Never had any emulation system be able to handle that due to its obscurity and labrynthine windows98 dependencies.
It's kind of crazy how companies want their products and services to become as indispensable as possible, and then argue that you have the choice not to accept the terms of service. Not if you want to meaningfully participate in modern society you don't. Which is a good argument for government securing the rights of people to use these services without being subject to exploitative terms.
I've written my congressman twice about these egregious TOS provisions. I recently read a 126 page document for a $35 purchase. 126 pages. Not only the TOS when you buy/subscribe/use, but the out-of-scope TOS that comes with a minor change in service. For example, I looked a some thing at my health insurance company where I would have access to some minor thing online. I would have had to accept a whole truckload of terms, including paperless. It changed the entire relationship. Contracts are typically a state law issue but this all falls under interstate commerce, unlike a lot of things they use the commerce clause as an excuse to regulate. Crickets. No response at all. If we all had to sign the same kind of TOS when we go to the grocery store, we'd starve to death.
"Think about the studio's side" No. What happens with them is not my problem. You sold me a product, so I'm going to keep that product one way or another. The company's financial status, who they got bought out by or whatever technological change does not change that I own what I bought. Anyone who argues against that: Would you let the company come take your fridge, TV, car, or whatever because they're going out of business? No. "Hosting is expensive" Not my problem. You sold it to me, I want access to my file. Let me download my file and the problem is solved. But they don't. So, not my problem I'm going to do what I must to keep what I paid for.
I think about the studio's side quite often. They're also victims of the publishers and distributors. Oddly enough, I don't think "we're hitting them harder" is a reason to accept getting hit. And hosting is emphatically not expensive today, and very much a distributor created problem when they insist on streaming instead of plain transfers - specifically so they can shut it down.
Nobody sold you a product. They sold you access, which is a service and that service has been terminated. The idea that you'd own something was yours and if that is what you wanted, you could have chosen to get a disc in the first place. But you didn't.
@@markus30000 That's not how it works. They are selling things, it says you "Buy now" not "rent" or whatever. It's not a fucking service, it's a one time payment. You can sit there and pretend the company has excuses but they don't. Buy the DVD you keep it forever but you bought it on their digital platform and they can take it away? While paying the same price? Stop licking corporate boot and get some god damned standards
Reminds me of that one time Ferrari came after Deadmaus's 458 because he changed the Ferrari logo on it and then wanted to sell it. By the way, Ferrari have something called Right of First Refusal contract, where your legally obtained car _cannot be sold_ within the first year of """ownership"""
From here on out, every reference to the words "pirate", "pirating", "steal", "stealing", "stolen", "download", "downloading", "downloaded", "torrent", "torrenting", "thief", "thieving"or any other terminology previously used to express the illegal acquisition of content are henceforth no longer considered illegal, but the circumvention of outrageous policies set forth by companies to allow the removal of said content under any circumstance, without warning, or at any time of their choosing.
They shouldn't be legally allowed to call it a "purchase" if it can be taken away at any moment. Call it a long term rental with no expiration date if you want, this "purchase" BS is straight up false advertising.
You can purchase limited licenses... Unfortunately. They're going to use that as a defense of this crap and I can see it working. It really shouldn't though.
@@CreativityNull They need to make that more clear to consumers. In the apps it always says "Purchase" or "Purchase Movie" which implies that you will own it after purchasing the way a physical DVD works, nowhere someone would actually read does it specify that you are purchasing a viewing license on that platform. I have no clue what the correct thing to call it would be but I've had enough of companies being able to purposely obfuscate their legal terms behind a 50 page TOS in language that only lawyers would understand.
@@LLSniper Yeah, this is such a bullshit defense. It does not say "pay for limited access", it always says "buy". They know _exactly_ what that implies (to normal people) and that is why they use that wording.
@@3nertia it was just called slavery by the rich for the rich till they learned how gullible fools are to worship myths and fantasies no matter the reality on their necks.
I told all my friends this too. Just wait till it happens to Steam or something. People will freak. You don't own steam games. They can delete them anytime they like.
@@VioFax steam is very very unlike to go bankrupt or just forcefully delete games from your library, at least as long as current owner is alive. The most of cases when Steam deletes the game from library no matter the reason they refund it to everyone who bought it. As far as i know, of course. The case with other companies tho... they delete and you have no access to the thing you bought and they do not even refund it
@@VioFax Valve is one of the only companies I trust to actually follow through on promises. They've said if Steam ever shuts down, they'll let you download all your games
@@VioFax While i agree, at least in Steam you can keep the game in your computer after you download the game. Not saying that removing the ability to download is not bad, but, at least you can literally own the game.
@@diablense Yes, they pretty much print money. The more likely risk would be for some of the games to not be updated at some point. Although, that depends on how the system works, they may well have to keep the system updated for games in general to function making that a bit of a moot point.
The moral justification for piracy is very simple. They don't respect your property rights, your property rights are not being enforced. You don't owe society to respect their property rights just because they're a company. You owe them nothing, so do whatever you want.
@@ambiarock590 Because at some point our governments decided stock market performance was the only thing that mattered, And convinced most of us our own well-being was somehow tied to its success too. So if the abuse in some way boosts stock numbers then they just allow the abuse.
I love that your intro is always "Hey everybody how's it going, hope you're having a lovely day" like you aren't about to just ruin me having a lovely day by bringing to light what's going on
I was taught in lawschool that a contract that just one party can change at will is not a valid contract. And every company wants to be able to do that. When did that change?
They all use arbitration as the go to now, no need for a contract when you can force everybody to sign all their rights away for a simple crumb from the CEOs/Elites table. That literally undoes like the last 100 something years of human rights progression and morality and not many people even know or speak about it as it is indeed, a one sided leash with a less then %2 chance of winning in their arbitration courts that use their own people as judge and lawyers most the time.
Like the other guy said, I don't think it's not really a contract, but even if it was, I don't think people really even read the terms and conditions before signing up for these services though. You can tell by the number of people shouting at the mountaintops about how they "own" all of this stuff. I'm pretty confident their terms never said anything about unrestricted or eternal ownership. If we check Prime Video, the Apple Store, TH-cam TV, I'm sure they're pretty similar. The only eternal ownership I ever got from a video service was getting to keep the last rentals I ever got from Blockbuster.
The digital age has brought scamming to a whole new level. Being a millenial i was born in a time when all of this did not exist, and i grew up along with the digital society. I remember when internet become readily available for everyone, it was the WILD WEST back then. There was no rules, this was before internet became mainstream. Back then we still bought physical copies of everything. Movies, games, you name it. Through my years i have watched what used to be beautiful and free morph into an abomination of what it once was. All i see now is BOTS, Scammers and affiliate marketing. And channels like yours Louis absolutely warms my heart, because you are original. You are what internet was made for! Never sell out.
agree. Also grew up with the internet rising. Back then it was all kinda exciting and websites where just websites . Nowdays its a mine field run around sponsored content,scammer, false advertising, phishing ads and "only" annoying ads and popups that take 90% of a websites screensize
“One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue,” “The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.” Gabe Newell, CEO of Valve
netflix before everyone wanted their own piece of the pie. you saw a massive decrease in piracy because it was stupid easy to access almost any movie or show you want to see. now you need to pay for 15 different subscriptions with geolocked content and piracy spikes to the highest rate in history.
@@sirmonkey1985nah and i m talking as one who actually had a 1 dvd n 3 dvd service from them. Never changed habbits. 1. Banned content =pirate 2. Foreign stuff (best example naruto) 3. Software ignored much? 4. Games yeah me no liky steam its a sespool of early releases(half as$ attempt at money grabs n dlc bs) 5. Music? Well i listen to alot of styles no one service can handle ma needs. 6. Pictures dont get me started. 7:32 caliber!!!!!!! ❤ 7. If i already paidy internet bill why do i need to pay extra for what is alreafy there?! Didnt they teach u anytying at school free is always better.
I started buying physical media again for this reason. I hate having an extra source of clutter but I don’t have to worry about not having access to my favorite movies.
Bookshelves, my friend! Couple of nice, tasteful bookshelves and the like will organize your whole collection while looking good in your house as furniture. Or, alternatively, tote bins, if you're a 30 y/o woman going through a clutter crisis.
I don't consider owning a Physical Media library "clutter." Those discs actually look quite nice if organized on the shelf. I think it looks rather impressive when I visit someone's home and I see a movie collection on their shelf.
Injustice is a legal matter, literally breaking the law. If they break the law, sue them, but as it stands, I wonder if they actually even violated the terms that everyone using the service agreed to. They're not in good shape, so I don't really think we can expect them to say, "oh sorry, our bad" and restore everything.
@rossmanngroup I stopped giving money to companies decades ago, I just buy food and pay rent, I go to places with free internet and AC and have refused to participate in the system and world until people return to an objective moral paradigm and are no longer subjectivists, since that's never happening then I'm just jack sparrow for life at this point
I shared this to Facebook not only saying that you really don't own ANYTHING digital, and that once money goes digital, the powers that be will be changing the "TOS" that NO ONE agreed to. Refuse to play. Refuse to comply.
Incorrect. If you have DRM free digital copies, you own them. Digital is not the problem, DRM is the problem. I'd rather not have to store physical media, but right now I tolerate it because it's DRM free. If they started offering DRM free movie downloads, I'd buy all my movies digitally just like I do with DRM free music.
It's crazy that a contract can include words like "purchase, buy and sale" and then later in the contract say "oh, btw the words you seen earlier in this contract? yeah... those don't mean what they mean in the dictionary, on this contract they are all interchangeable with the word LOL so please re-read the contract with that in mind"
Not a lawyer but have worked on legal documents (Terms of Use agreements etc) and the places I've worked have always had the terms defined either at the beginning of the document, or at their first use. Redefining words midway through a contract when they've been used prior makes no sense.
Back in 1998 or 1999 I bought a license of a DTP software for about 3000 bucks. It was copy protected by a hard-lock (a thing you plug into the printer port). A few years later LPT ports went out of fashion so i called the company and they happily helped me to move the software to another PC and guided me through the online registration process. An additional couple of years later I wanted to move it to another PC again just to realize that my product key was unknown to the registration server. So I called the company again. This time the support agent was unable to help me, he told me that the software is too old and that I should buy the recent version. I refused. Now I am using a shady copy of off the internet.
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 At least the „Company which shall not be named“ is still offering a license to buy while Adobe forces customers into a subscription model. Among the blind a one-eyed is the king, I guess.
Same here. I still use Visio 2000 (pre-Microsoft) that runs on a virtual XP for a business process that works great and was finely tailored around it back in the day. No reason to change what works well, and the learning curve alone would cost me money.
taking away... something that was purchased by someone in my country is called theft! If someone take your desk without your consent. It's not a "revoke" it's a theft!
@@everythingpony cool literally nobody here cares about your opinion still theft in all aspects except legal, which is why pirating is morally justified
Except he never owned it. The data was on servers he didn’t own and it was streamed on demand. They are not expected to maintain their servers until the end of time. If you want digital media, you need your own servers and you need to have all your own data on your own servers. When you buy digital data you need to be aware of this fundamental stuff. Your games, music, movies, books … if you need a login server controlled by someone else to view it, or if it’s stored on a hard drive you don’t own and served to you … dude, what do you think is going to happen when that server gets shut down? You think you spend $10 for a movie and they’re going to keep maintaining data until the end of time and streaming it on demand? How do you think this actually works?
@@zero11010 No, like 99.9% of people, when they "PURCHASE" something, they expect to own it. Nobody reads every single word in the terms & conditions, and companies know this.
@@FishyBoi1337 how do you think that works? Just infinite data and servers to serve content until the end of time? Possessions you can will to your children and they can will to their children? Keep those login servers forever and keep the data flowing on Weekend At Bernie’s because FishyBoi once spent $4 to buy a bad movie? It’s VERY obviously unreasonable to think that the company will NEVER go out of business. And that it’ll always have the ability to serve your data any time, night or day … until the world ends. You haven’t thought it through. The terms and conditions are clear. And …. OBVIOUSLY this is how it works. Just like you can buy games on Steam and if it’s a live service style game … when that game goes offline it doesn’t matter if you bought it. And if Steam goes out … there goes your game collection. Every online marketplace like this functions the same way. This isn’t even new. The modern internet era began decades ago and EVERY service like this is the same. If you have to login to access your data … it’s gone when that login server is gone. If your data is on another server and being served to you … it’s gone when that server is gone. If you want to own things for real, get physical copies, or have your digital copies on your own personal hard drives. Tv, movies, music, games, books … anything. Apps you bought in your phone. Any digital thing. Welcome to the late 1990s and early 2000’s. Unsurprisingly … it works about the same as owning things for thousands of years earlier. If the thing you own is entirely controlled by someone else … you don’t really own it.
I have a confession to make. 30yo. I have been pirating since I was 17, movies, video games, softwares etc...if I see something that a team worked hard on, I do offer support in various ways, but I will never NOT pirate stuff that run a subscription model or doesn't let me own what I have.
@@RipliWitani It is file sharing, but it is also piracy, which is basically file sharing but on the basis of infringing on intellectual property copyright.
I lectured my kids back in the mid 2000's about how wrong piracy was and why it's important to support art, media, creators, etc.... Boy have I changed my tune in the past 5 years as we have transitioned to a 'you will own nothing and be happy' world.
to be fair, redbox has been the source of oh so many mkv files over the years. it was hard to beat a buck or two to rip a disk of whatever movies you wanted.
It has nothing to do with supporting creators. It's these companies screwing people over that you shouldn't support. I still buy CDs, blurays and merch to support people.
Funny considering I’ve been pirating since I was in HS in 2001 and my dad was an IT guy who used to lecture me about not downloading sketchy things on the internet because he didn’t want something that could brick our PC. Old habits die hard, I don’t pirate games much anymore, but you better believe I pirate my movies and TV shows like crazy still.
Contracts would be much simpler, shorter to read, and easier to understand if we made redefining already defined terms such as "purchase" or "ownership" illegal in contract law; especially when those terms have already defined "legal definitions". What kind of game are we playing here? It serves no public interest to allow lawyers to distort language in such a way as to deliberately obfuscate the intended meaning of legal documents.
If Lawyers don't muddy the meaning of words/terms they would be out of work. Does anyone remember the question, "What do you call a thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?" The answer is, "A good start."
@@Frycat004 I think politicians and law should be the next things on teh chopping block for computer/robot replacement instead of blue collar honest workers. We can dream.
We need a DMCA reform first tbh. Your right to modify any data in your possession in any way convenient for you as long as you do not resell would be a great start. If I want to draw a dick in the 53rd page in my copy of Algo Design, I should have the right to, digitally or otherwise. Same goes for movies, software, web content and video streams.
Saying that if you don’t accept the new conditions you lose the right to use what you bought is as if a bank told you “then you lose all the money you deposited with us” 🤬
Supposedly banks do say that. I have no idea if this story is true, it is reddit after all, but someone said they were getting annual bank statements from their savings account for years, until one year they just didn't. When they contacted the bank, they claimed that they had "assumed that you forfeited the money."
Appearantly banks in the netherlands can close your account (and thus take all money stored on it) if there is "suspicious activity". This can be a purchase of as little as 50 euro (so bassically if you do groceries and you have a fairly large family you may need to tell the bank why you bought groceries and if you dont bye bye money). Its pretty insane
That's the biggest thing I hate about libertarians, the whole "just make your own" thing is my biggest gripe with them and why I consider myself a conservative with libertarian leanings. That worked in 1850 when there weren't these large mega monopolies, but you can't compete with Microsoft or Facebook, unless you're someone like Elon Musk.
I saw the writing on the wall years ago and decided to become my own Netflix. This is why I have a consitently growing Plex library made from a giant carousel of DVD's, Blu-rays and digital downloads.
Same, I saw this coming and also made my own Plex server which has been awesome anyway because with Battery Backup now even when the power is out I can still watch my shows and movies while waiting for the power to come back on. And as mentioned best of all it is MY collection for as long as I want it. There are too many things these days that they try to make into a subscription that never ever should be.
@@hlevolve This is the way. I'm a firm believer in protecting what you have. I also have redudant drives in a NAS, a backup solution and a quality UPS.
The constant need to grow and please shareholders is the sole reason everything is getting worse. Its why your food cost more while being smaller, its why every streaming service is getting overpriced.
@@paperpersona1243 Its why you see more ads. Its why more of your data is stolen. Its simple. If these people who torture others for monetary gain are not punished, they will continue.
well personally I was curious about why redbox went bankrupt since my dad used to use these after blockbuster fell through so I have "nostalgic" memories of still getting that blockbuster experience for a while afterwards, and what I found was that apparently they got acquired by the "chicken soup for the soul" company that made those books by the same name (I actually read one of those books like 10 years ago so that *also* hit some nostalgia for me) like 2 years ago, and they went bankrupt, which caused all of their assets to be liquified which included crackle, redbox, and popcornflix
When I was growing up in the 70's and 80's, I bought my music on vinyl albums to play at home and recorded them on cassettes to play in my car. No one cared as long as it was for personal use and not for sale as bootleg copies.
@@quademasters249 Sounds like they did something about it then. I know Germany, if I'm not mistaken, was first to institute levies on recordable media as far back as the 60s. You are correct that some nations did, and still do, assess taxes on audiocassettes (including Belgium, Finland, Switzerland, and Sweden), but most did not do so until the advent of digital media. The levy primarily targeted rewritable CDs and DVDs. Other media was simply just included. Fun fact, some of those nations also posed additional taxes on electronics capable of recording of using the media, so, in a sense, you were taxed twice.
oh they cared and even tryed to ban cassett recorders. courts however at the time where not owned by the megacorps and told them to go pound sand. why do you think they forced eveyone into digital tv and pushed super hard for digital radio but nobody bought those. becouse under anlong spectroms they could not block brodcast ota recording by law.
There is no logical reason that they should be allowed to claim, literally, that the word “ownership” does not imply, in their own words, “ownership”. If upheld, this basically gives precedent that any company can make any word mean literally anything as long as they mention that “no words mean what they normally mean” on page 450 of the EULA. Disgusting.
Of course they can, unless the wording is some kind of maliciously deceptive (which everyone will claim it to be when they find themselves with the short end of the stick). Welcome to legal documents. I'm pretty confident literally every video service is the same way. "Ownership" is a word that has all kinds of strings attached in all sorts of situations. Even home ownership depends on paying taxes, or you lose it, even having paid the whole thing off. I also knew people who had their land seized by the government for a new airport several decades ago. They owned their homes. That was moot.
@@IfImCommentingStopMe I understand that. However, in many of those cases, the word "ownership" (or whatever other word is being defined) is one that has multiple reasonable definitions, and the legal document is simply clarifying which of those reasonable definitions they are referring to. However, the wording used here is very different. Instead of clarifying a definition, they are completely re-writing it. It's one thing to say "when we say 'apple', we refer to a gala apple and not any other type of apple." It's completely different to say "when we say 'apple', we refer to a duck." Rigorous definitions are a necessity of legal documents, yes, but taking advantage of definitions by changing the meaning of a word to something completely different and not used in normal language is something that is ethically wrong, and should be illegal. The intent was to trick users into thinking they were buying something that they were not, by using tricky definitions that twisted the meaning of a word outside of its normal use, when there were more accurate words that could have been reasonably used to describe the nature of the transaction. As for "owning" homes, those terms are clearly defined, and as long as you followed those terms, you own that house. If you don't pay your taxes, that's your fault for breaching your contract, the government can't just decide "we don't think you deserve this home" and take it away. In cases like the airport, those are covered in a specific clause of the constitution, which you agreed to, and requires that the government has no other viable options and that homeowners are compensated. That is vastly different than saying "we can take your home at literally any time for literally any reason without any form of compensation, even though we say you own this home." THAT is what these game companies have been doing.
@@rallyfeind Would it be theft to copy the Mona Liza atom by atom in the real world? I would say no. So that is why I say that there is no stealing at all to begin with...
@@amoeb81 i am saying if the right of any labeled purchase is not absolutely the ownership of the purchasers then there are no rights of any companies or entities to protect
I remember making a post about you shouldn't have to buy a new computer to be able to use the latest version of an OS. Commenters jumped all over me calling me cheap, old, stupid and anti-tech. I fired back that it's an OPERATING system. It's not a bow to your master, commandeering, your crap is mine now system. It was just supposed to operate my system, whatever it was.
People are stupid. That is how we ended up here to begin with. If the majority used their brains we would not be so far down this road to begin with. I've been pushing back against ALL of this crap in all its forms for what would have to be 22 years now. Deaf ears now just as it was then.
Honestly it's the same thing when it comes to emulators when you even say the world emulator people start calling you a pirate or broke it is getting so bad
So true! I remember trying to buy an entry-level simple PC in year 2K in France, going to the local "Carrefour" mall, asking a guy in charge of PCs to remove the preinstalled OEM MS Windows that I didn't want to buy, and arguing for almost an hour about that being "impossible". "Sir, you can't buy a car without the engine!" (that's what he told me...). I replied "if Win98 were an engine the car would not be allowed to leave the shop as it would end up crashing every day and killing the driver and passengers randomly".
@@joesterling4299 the only reason windows 10 won is because microsoft stopped support for it and the devs just repeated after them some time later. I believe that win 7 is still one of the most popular os's despite the fact that it's already 4 years since its end of life and the fact that all the software slowly cuts off win7 support
This dude here is my brother. Fuck yeah.🤘 More and more, in every sector of society, these "Service Providers" can simply dictate their uneven, bullshit, exploitative terms to me, call it a "contract" and then have the nerve to demand of me a goddamn security deposit! But where the fuck's my insurance against their shenanigans? Those contracts are articles of legalized coercion as far as I'm concerned. They ought to be fucking criminal. Again and again the consumer is treated like disreputable bum, at best. And at worst, a filthy crook.
I use to be an old box TV repairman. I started out just a few years before the advent of flat panel displays. When those came out and repairs turned into swapping boards out I was so disappointed as now repairs turned from a few bucks in parts to taking most of my profits in the actual repair. worst of all if that did not turn out to be the fault it would instantly wipe out any profit you made on the set. Schematics and datasheets where available for all the parts back then now its so difficult to figure out why something is faulty because you have to guess what these little black boxes are doing. case in point last year my brother asked if I could fix his flat panel because the back light was broken. instead of just buying a whole new power supply board I tried to repair the board by replacing the IC that decides to supply the 100v+ to the backlight array. Obviously without knowing what this IC did or how it becomes enabled I am working in the dark. worst of all I don't even know if the part I receive these days is a genuine part or if its a re-badged part that is for something entirely different. anyway it obviously did not work and without these documents its so difficult to do board repairs and in the end we binned the TV just because the backlight driver was faulty. It sickens me that this is the norm now. and it sickens me that we the consumer are blamed for pollution of he planet. I grew up with a Sony Box TV that would break every time the weather changed and we would get a TV repair man that would come into our house and repair it. We had that same TV for over 20 years and then it was re-placed with a new flat panel that lasted just over its warranty. How is this the new norm? How is this right? by the way to all the younglings out there it was normal to fix your TV's once a year and this felt right you did not feel cheated you felt good that your TV has been serviced and knowing you good for another year of usage. Ok, this has been my rant it way not be for everyone but sometimes I just need to get this off my chest.
This! My phones keep lasting less and less. First phone... still going. The operating system is massively outdated so I can't use it, but it's still going. It's a crappy Samsung nugget from 2015. Second phone? Couldn't survive 5 years. Ok, cool. Third? Three. Second? BARELY TWO. MIND YOU, I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING EXTREME. Unless writing in the notes app and drawing in ibispaint is extreme. The errors I get when my phone dies are all more and more digital bullshit. My 5 year old phone couldn't last because the hardware and OS were too outdated for modern use. My 3 year phone died because it began to run like fucking shit. It lagged when I turned it on. "System UI not responding" was a LOVELY error. And no, my storage was not full. Nowhere near. I used my SD card for storage. The two year old phone died for the same reasons but way more aggressively. It became completely fucking unusable. And no, this isn't from viruses. The only apps I ever downloaded from the app store were TH-cam and Flipaclip. Later down the line Ibispaint and Kinemaster got added to the roster, but that's it. I absolutely adore my current phone and am beyond terrified of its possible fate. 8GB of ram, 256GB storage, beautiful sleek charcoal grey design, gorgeous AMOLED screen, 120hz refresg rate...
@@benbaggen2375I take it you have never worked with complex IC chips? Unless you have full schematics and an oscilloscope, there is NO Way to diagnose that type of failure with just a multimeter. Most PCB's are just impenetrable black boxes these days
@@Twiddle_thingsi have found that a factory reset every so often helps with the random "system ui not responding" errors. I've done it with my phone a few times, and now my tablet is due.
Corporations: “It's not lying, it's just changing facts and definitions.” Consumer: “Ok; it's not piracy, it's borrowing for free with a middleman.” Corporations: “… 😡😡😭”
@@Nanan00 if you wrote a book and it didn't sell well at first, it might be removed from shelves. Should your right to sell it as your intellectual property be lost? Because that's what you said.
@@stevek8829 If you self-publish the book in standard distribution, then it is still available. If you bury the book in your drawer and are not willing to make it available *after it already has been available*, it should be accessible in an open archive. So, your point doesn't stand here, and that's not what @Nanan00 was talking about.
@@stevek8829 If they stop all distribution in any form (even just one off prints from the creator’s own website) over a prolonged period of time? YES. Copyright is a negotiated synthetic right created only to incentivize creation of works for eventual enrichment of the public domain, and when is ceases to serve that core function we owe nobody a moral duty to not copy to our heart’s content any information we have access to. The idea of ‘owning’ a specific arrangement of bits as some natural right is just silly, since it is at its core essence nothing but a specific very large number.
Excellent commentary man. To that whole “You can just make your own” thing, I say “I have my own job. Why should I have to do someone’s else’s job, just because they want to jerk me around.”
1. Open car dealership 2. Put in the terms, that selling doesn't mean transfer of ownership or any legal right whatsoever 3. Sell cars, get money 4. Take cars back 5. Sell cars, get money ...
That's kind of lready happening. Some stealerships sabotage their cars with remote inhibitor devices, to prevent the car from starting if they feel like you're behind on payment. Some will also "repossess" cars without authorization from a trial and court ruling, which in that case is just a fancy word for stealing!
@DW11111 unless you're connected to mafia, and MAKE that customer late on the monthly payment, steal the car, and now you have both the car, and the money, and a "fck you it's my right to do it" attitude
@DW11111The point he's not stating directly is the dealerships don't have to prove you ever missed a payment to "reposses" a car, and there are multiple dealerships taking full advantage of this to take the car at their convenience.
@DW11111 If you're the kind of person to need to make payments on a car, you probably don't have the income to support said lawsuit. Thus the exploitation.
@DW11111What a dumb take. Individual people don’t have money for lawsuits. Why can’t you admit the system is rigged? Is your personal identity tied to it or something?
I've described it to friends and co-workers before by asking them if they think it would make sense for people to show up at their house and take everything in their house that they ever bought from Walmart if Walmart ever went under, and of course they're like, "No, that'd be stealing- ooh wait.. I see." The mental conditioning these companies have inflicted upon customers is more effective than many think. Most customers honestly do view digital media ownership differently than physical ownership when it comes to how you own them, when there really should be absolutely no difference in how you own them. If you bought it, you should be able to use the item whenever you want to, for as long as you want to, just like you can with any physical item, and the selling company going under shouldn't suddenly mean you can't use the item any longer. If you don't have a copy of what you bought that you can use whenever you want on your own devices, you probably should.
Redbox should be obligated to provide the tools and services for every customer to download and burn the purchased content into a physical form. At a minimum provide a link to download all purchased content.
I have seen bankruptcy rulings make dead companies pay out some crazy shit. Maybe instead of paying off the CEO’s contracts the liquidation money goes to a website for the customers to download their digital content they purchased.
WORST case give me the option for $5 to download/own that copy of whatever I’ve purchased. Easy extra cash for them and willing to part ways with some content I don’t assume I’ll need.
@@thingsmymacdoes They literally could have set up torrents for customers to share and use with absolutely minimal cost, but it was more important to them to pay their CEO's undeserved bonuses year-after-year than it was to treat their customers properly and fairly.
Copyright was invented to protect writers from being abused by ruthless book printers. It was about making physical copies of art and preventing starvation of artists. Our current copyright system is too far removed from that to make any sense in a digital world. Now it is about maximizing profit for digital rights holders and mostly decoupled from the actual artists. Also it is not about physical copies anymore.
@@gogereaver349 once something switches from the original ceo/founder to another, all the passion and pride is gone, and it's only about making the most profit possible. every cent they don't get is a cent "lost" in their eyes.
With how digital everything is becoming were the machines even making money lol. Initially I found redbox to be good, but at some point it did seem to become to expensive. $2-3 for a dvd rental for one day and don't even get started on blu-rays and video games lol. Sad to see them go as I used redbox quite a bit in college to just quickly watch a few movies on my days off and sometimes would get a promo for a free movie or game rental. With how expensive they got and how close it was to renting digitally I just can't see the physical machines be doing as well. That said I was not familiar with their digital side and was unaware they even "sold" copies of movies.
My day is all the better for watching and listening to you, Louis. Thank goodness people like you exist who are not frightened to tell it like it is. Louis, you're one gutsy individual. Keep up the good work.....😊😊😊
how does a bankrupt movie streaming company keep hosting 900,000 movies for everyone forever? i think the move to digital fucked us all real hard and deep
Users should be allowed to either port their purchases to a third party service, like a cloud service, or outright download their purchases. The fact that their content is just gone is unacceptable, regardless of what happened to the marketplace from which they purchased it.
No, it didn't. There's nothing about the digital media hosting technology that's responsible for this corporate malfeasance. They do it because they can get away with it, not because "stweaming is hawd". They sold a product. If they did so without the ability to provide that product, it's their responsibility to find a way to deliver it or refund the full purchase price or it's theft.
I have pirated since 2007, and I haven’t stopped. If it is something I really like and want by to support the maker I will buy physical media. Otherwise Hollyweird can burn.
I watched this video as i was cleaning out my 1985 General Electric Alarm Clock. 6 standard phillips screws on the bottom and you have access to everything, cleaned all the contacts and blew out all the dust. Had it back together in 15 minutes. I guess it will be good for the next 40 years now.
This is also the only way to avoid retroactive censorship of your favourite spicy media. Try finding original unaltered recordings of David Allen Coe or even eminem's early work on streaming platforms. Movies too, Han shot first!
Yep, I only buy physical too. The only exception is if I have digital credit from some promotion (just watched an ad on my tv and used the credit to buy gone fishing for free haha). I even sidegraded the firmware on my drive so I can rip my 4k movies :) also streaming quality and features suck! you dont get any of the extras or commentary tracks.
You're awesome, man. I kept getting your videos recommended to me and the more I listen to them the more I appreciate your content. Thank you for doing what you do.
Does an MKV file count as a "physical copy"? If you pay to access streaming services, you _can_ legally download a copy of everything on their menu; you _have_ the right to view it (in fact most streaming downloaders only work if you have a paid streaming service account like Netflix in order to get the decryption key from them).
I absolutely have "backups" downloaded of all of my purchased media and even seasons of shows I've streamed. They've already gotten my money; I'm gonna make sure I can continue to access what I payed for on my own terms.
This is why i hate the inability to download DRM free media that you "purchased" from these media distribution sites... unlike say music on certain platforms...
This is partly why if I am going to buy an mp3 I do so on amazon because once you purchase them you can download them with no drm. Normally I just buy a cd and with their autorip I get the mp3s free with it. To bad there isn't a movie equivalent of this, that service would be making bank!
Ubisoft wants the customer to become comfortable with not owning their games. I've become very comfortable with the thought of these companies going bankrupt. I refuse to engage with their bullshit.
This is similar to what happened to that guy who had his Apple ID account cancelled and lost access to all of the apps, albums and other electronic items that he had paid for. He had spent $10s of thousands of dollars. And Apple never told him why his Apple ID was cancelled.
Happened to me over ten years ago on Amazon when I forgot my password. Only lost a hundred bucks worth of movies and music, but I vowed never to buy digital after that happened. Got hundreds of DVDs and CDs now. Life is good.
They want to stop private sales and end the pre-owned market. You want to watch a movie? They get a piece of the transaction no matter how you obtain it. They also get sales from people who would've borrowed from their friends. They don't want you to own it. They want you to consume it and thats all you can do with digital media. Calling a product a physical copy is redundant and deceptively implies there's an alternative. If you didn't receive a copy that physically exists, you didn't buy anything. You paid for a digital service and services have no guarantees. At best you can pay and then turn around and pay to manufacture the product for them. If you have to go through all that what do you need them for?
Unfortunately, the middle men (aka Netflix and company) want that. The film industry used to enjoy a second wind of sales from the VHS/DVD days until streaming practically killed that area.
Yep, they want a cut every time you view their "IP", and they also want the telemetry of what, where, why, when, and how you chose to view it. View it off your NAS or USB stick don't let these greedy bastards make you so dependent so as to undermine your right of ownership.
@4:50 It isn't just one company doing this. Anything you 'buy' 'purchase' 'own' etc. from online streaming services does this. If you get banned, the company shuts down, or as Steam proved you die, you do not 'own' anything you paid for and thus can't pass it on/leave it via will to anyone after you die. It is only a payment to gain access to it which can be taken, revoked, or ended at any time by the service provider (IE Google, Hulu, PSN, Steam, Epic, etc.) simply because you agreed to the terms of service for 'buying' 'purchasing' 'owning' the content they provided you access to. I personally think that they should have all of that dropped in price to an extreme low. Why is a consumer expected to pay full price as if they purchased a hard copy of the item in a digital platform, if they don't own it. They aren't buying it, they are requesting and being given access to it, so why is it full price? It is one big exploit that has been exponentially blown up cause no one said way back during the early years 'Hold on, if I am buying it for full price why don't I own it, and if I don't own it then why am I paying full price for it?'
You make a good point. During bankruptcy proceedings, the studios will be too creditors. They will claim funds due based on the sold content and get paid for the content yet the content is not and will never be given back to the consumers. So the studios will get the money but the consumers will not have the product that they paid for and the studios will end up getting paid for.
as a little maniac wrote: "you will own nothing and be happy" - I think you're right about this topic that we have to rebel against this, otherwise at some point our property will really only be in quotation marks
so not to be a bearer of bad news.. but look at electric cars. housing market ofc land sales as well electric cars u dont own.... u cant modify them etc.. houses in america are being bought up and huge #s i talking by the 100s if not thousands at a time by companies like Black rock.... which is big reason why prices are soaring. covid comes, people get laid off....... people are being evicted..... and yet housing market keeps goign up? at all time rates as well......? same with farm land all over the globe. same bs. the people in power are at a point where they can literaly own everything....... they want to and will
Lesson to the younger people: always download that stuff you paid for and store it locally. If buying no longer means a thing, then stealing does neither.
@@Charles_Anthonythis but all these people are too lazy and stubborn.... They all want to sit at home and buy things digitally instead of spending the extra time to go to a store and get physical. At least you own something at that point, and oh people can borrow it without using your account.
@@gnarleytarley3870 : You know what's even funnier about your point? DVDs and CDs and vinyl... all that stuff can still be delivered to your house but it's that "instant gratification" that has even made that unappealing to the youth.
With Windows 11 T&Cs, don't be at all surprised if you go to watch some of your content one day and discover that it has been deleted without your knowledge.
@@Charles_Anthony Buying physical media should come with instant access to a digital copy. That way you get the best of both worlds. You're going to have the data eventually anyway, so why make you wait?
I fully agree. Here in the Netherlands that is exatly what I said when Adobe started with their subscriptions. They told you will 'buy' the license for a particuilar period. So I told paying for a period of time is called rent, not buying. Buying means you OWN it for a lifetime, not for temporal. On this off course I never received a reply. I noticed Spotify made me listen to a commercial while I pay the subscription, so I told them I pay for it, so stop with adertsiement, you are wasting my time listening advertsiments. Off course they came up witha BS-reason as well. Then I discovered that Spotify automatically opens-up when switching on your phone. So I tried to find a way to avoid that. Than I noticed in the settings this was just simply not possible. Also it was clear they installed cookies, just for personalized ads. WHILE I PAY for it! In the meantime if these kind of companies allow themselves to pirate my personal interests and/or or my ownership of BOUGHT products, then I am allowed to pirate their software/entertainment.
it's a slippery slope. at first it's an ad free plan, then it's a basic plan with ads. no matter what, you will watch ads AND get charged for being able to do so. screw spotify, buy an SD card.
@@mystraunt2705 If you want the OP to change their spelling of verbal, you will need to send a registered letter, postmarked no later than June 30th 2024, otherwise you have accepted the alternate spelling is a mistake not worth commenting on.
After I had a family, I stopped caring about "you need to be responsible" and started thinking "you know what's nice? Not having to worry about stuff I buy." Piece of mind because I don't wanna spend my life trying to research every little thing anymore. I like the way you put it. You dislike government unless they're doing things to stop other people from getting rid of your rights. EXACTLY! A law that stops someone else from screwing you over are exactly what I want to see. It's not like the government's going tomorrow, so we gotta deal with this.
DVD collections are a must. Also because they are going back and editing movies to remove scenes they deem are offensive. Always buy the dvd of any film you love.
@@Syncrotron9001 that going to be hard because if you have a display panel you can make your own TV ! we used to make dvd players from IED DVD drives with a VCD cards (3rd world country) and as long as you have a LCD panel you can make a TV/monitor using other parts ! also you can buy some cheap Dell/HP desktop PC's (office used) that runs windows 7 and have a crack copy of windows 7 or get something like Zorin OS and don't connect to the net, if you need drivers you can use another computer and download them !
Gen X here & I've never "bought" media that I can't have a physical copy of for my purchase. The idea that I've paid for a copy of a thing but I still need to continue to buy other services (eg, streaming membership, internet access) to access the media I've bought, is nuts: it's essentially buying the thing several times over (and over & over). I refuse to participate in these shenanigans. If I can't have it on my hard-drive, usb, or on a disc I don't "buy" it.
I bought a lot of movies and tv shows on Google Play, I moved country and they revoked it all. Like i just simply lost it all. So I am now pirating all my movies and shows back and never buying another one of their devices.
What you should be "purchasing" is a *right* to view the intellectual property involved. That right should be permanent and non-revokable across all media. It really pisses me off that I've had to pay for the same music several times over simply because I opted to purchase it on vinyl, cassette, and CD. The majority of the cost in each case is the *license* to listen, the media cost is just pennies. However, if I want that music on a different medium I have to buy the *license* to listen all over again. That's gouging. Now that we have streaming as the primary delivery mechanism we should be able to transfer our "license" to another streaming provider for no more than the actual cost of doing so -- because we've already paid for the *license* to watch/listen. Until music/movie publishers acknowledge that they're selling us a limited license then I won't pay.
Yes you are and yes you will. You, like many others here, say one thing and do another. It may not even be your fault but rest assured you will pay. Capitalism only works to a point and we've passed that a long time ago. Capitalism, as good as it has been for us, will be our downfall, unless we use a little bit of the rest of the methods out there like socialism. 22 out of 23 top countries in the world have figured out how to give their citizens free to almost no cost health care, but the richest country in the world just can't figure it out. Capitalism is out of control.
@@JarofMayonaise they haven't figured it out, the costs are catching up to them. The NHS is falling apart (huge wait times), same with Canada's, and Swedish system is also starting to fray. The only system doing well is Singapore's, and that's highly capitalistic, although very regulated (competitive to lower prices). Socialism is kicking the can down the road until the whole thing collapses
@@GameFuMasterhow did you turn a comment about CDs into a criticism of socialism. 💀 man stop guzzling down that kool aid and chill that aint what we're talking about rn
@@JarofMayonaise don't equate corruption with capitalism...the latter isn't inheritly corrupt, it's designed to be. The richest country in the world IS the richest country in the world BECAUSE they figured out how to corrupt the system as much as possible, milking the public dry while at the same time allowing banks, billionaires and big corporations to legally print money... Capitalism didn't rule that banks are allowed to loan out 10x their capital (literally generating that amount + interests out of thin air by the time the loans are payed off), it wasn't originally intended that interests are being used systematically to increase the wealth gap, and it sure as hell didn't intend for any of the numerous Wall Street schemes that allow them to exponentially multiply digital money without repercussions even when the market eventually crashes (remember 2008), or the fact that the banks and investors became so rich that they lobby whatever scheme they want into legality. The consumers aren't at fault for the shithole we're in, nor is capitalism...the people who altered and corrupted our capitalism are, and it's become to big to fail and impossible for you and me to make a dent in the system. So stop projecting that everyone is a sheep and just accepts it...a few individuals taking a stance and opting out of taking this sh** won't change the system, I am well aware of that, but I KNOW that I'm not contributing toward this corruption and that's enough for me to feel just a little better about myself. And so even if we can't make a dent in the system, we can at least do the next best thing...and that's making dents in individual companies that somehow drop the ball. When they make a fatal mistake that comes to the public's attention, we raise our voices and hope enough of us band together to make at least a few of these corrupt individuals feel the repercussions...the system is nigh unfixable, but at least it sometimes throws it's own people under the bus to give us the illusion of justice. I'm not buying the illusion, but I can enjoy watching corrupt people being thrown under busses.
If I don't get a physical hard copy that stands alone without internet connection, I avoid it.. I can and will live without it. I survived the 1970's as a kid with 3 TV stations, a party line rotary dial telephone on a ranch connected to the world by a dirt road. I'll be fine.
@@jerrydwyer9057idk man sometimes i wanna play a fun video game and don’t really care if i can play that in 7 years or not. i do still mostly buy physical games that can be played offline, but like splatoon 2 is really fun and already has gotten my moneys worth. even if nintendo shuts down the servers in like a decade someone would have created a way to still play it, like people did for online games on 3ds, wii u and the wii
Have cut down my spending to a minimum because of risking crap like this. Miss the old days when nobody could come revoke your purchased licenses and media.
Now they can even revoke your purchased PHYSICAL products! Well, they can't take them away physically, but they can take their use away, by OTA-installing a software update, or shutting down a proprietary information/authentication server the product requires in order to function!
Fr. I have a movie library on youtube but its all just stuff I have on bluray anyways. Basically I only buy digital when I want convenient access on the go without having to rip my blurays.
Piracy is essential until they change their tune. I will pay, then pirate. Products are no different. Remember kids, Sonos ALMOST bricked hundreds of millions of dollars in equipment to force you to buy new products. I for one am done. No more "connected" devices/media for me.
You can't pirate if you pay, so instead you wanted to say you download your copy from the internet after you paid for it (instead of doing it yourself). ;) People here need to stop using the terms "pirating" for simply downloading copies of what they paid and rightfully own.
I commented a while back, I want to say you are doing a good job and keep up the good work. It’s nice to get some information many people do not consider
The more they change the wording of the laws to take ownership away from end users, the more those users will come up with inventive and innovative ways to take their ownership back.
When I was a kid, I used to pirate video games. As an adult, I discovered I could buy them DRM free, and store them wherever the hell I want. I no longer pirate my games. Until I can buy movies and shows without DRM, and watch them wherever and whenever the hell I want, I'm gonna pirate them.
I recently returned to the dark side since some games have kernel level anti cheat for a online component that I just don't want on my pc.... And yea, that does make it more tempting to also download stuff that doesn't have that, but fortunately I didn't give in yet.
@@samaurel6619 GOG. It used to mean "Good Old Games" but they rebranded and changed focus away from just old games and are now just "GOG" with no meaning.
The biggest issue here is how they are phrasing and implying purchasing. In reality you are licensing the media for your own personal use, but by the implied "purchase" or "buy" option it would be assumed this would be in perpetuity, not at the discretion of the companies whims when they want to revoke that right. Rent is much more clear cut in these definitions with a license to watch a movie based on certain criteria, for which after that the license is revoked. I totally agree with you that what they did was messed up, but as a professional photographer, my business is fully based on the idea of licensing my content I produced based on my copyright. Every time I sell a license, though, i make it clear exactly what that license includes in terms of usage with who can use said license and thus images, how they can be used, and whether there is a time frame for which they can be used. All these different factors dictate the value of the license. This intrinsically is the same thing that is happening with "buy" movies or "rent" movies from these platforms, but the terms of the "buy" are not clear by any means and the idea that those rights can be revoked at any time based on the whims of the "supplier" is ridiculous. Definitely makes the argument that purchasing physical media (which is still bound by usage restrictions) is the only way to actually legitimately buy a perpetual license of a movie. At they end of the day, you are never purchasing a copyright though, only a license for any of this content.
Louis should put together a "suite" list of his preferred/acceptable software. Better yet, put together a pre-built with the open source software installed and a donation built into the price and an optional subscription to support the software.
The biggest issue with "if you don't like the terms, go somewhere else" is that companies are free to change the terms of an agreement AFTER you have agreed to them.
Agree or disagree slash deny which means you can't use the service or product if it was unacceptable unfavorable terms conditions service. Movies are not worth preserving copyright too long stick to public domain creative Commons libre movies
Why back up games most of my collection dont work anymore
You're held to the terms you agreed to before and after they change them without telling you. That's perfectly fair, right?
Just stop giving them money
But by accepting my money they have accepted the terms and conditions of my services which none of them have been able to meet I can print off a bunch of nonsense too it says by accepting my money you agree to the terms by continuing to service me well I can make up whatever I want after that point
Contracts that can be unilaterally modified by one party are not contracts, they're extortion.
Retroactively
Amended
Purchase
Experience
Operating In Bad Faith.
It's not at all. People need to wake up about digital media, you are entering into a contract and they are giving you a licence to consume that media. Nobody is pointing a gun to make you 'sign' that contract that says we can do x, y, z. I'm sure many people here are gaming community adjacent, how many of you guys use Steam? You don't own those games, they sell you a licence to consume that content and Steam is the DRM. They can take away your entire library if they feel like it, or say 'hey guys, sign the new terms or you're outta here'.
If I were to put a finger on it, I'd say the issue is two-fold, no longer encouraging and promoting active competition in many content spaces so people can choose better terms of content consumption, and people being unenthusiastic to vote with their wallet if they do actually have options to shop elsewhere. For example Steam, everyone is using it for convenience, they don't care someone can snap their fingers and Thanos their game collection - because the company is benevolent - for now.
@@ItsDeffoScottthere's no alternatives therefore it is extortion, apologist
Requiring an update to windows 10 is not benevolent. Steam stole my game library already.
if buying isn't ownership, piracy is not theft.
Pirate it all
@@rossmanngroupwhat trackers can you recommend? :)
Software "piracy" ISN'T theft by any definition anyway. It's copyright infringement.
On the flip side, what these companies are doing by taking something you paid for off you is by definition theft, or at least destruction of property.
🤣 💯 Piracy is borrowing...
Selling it to you then taking it away is theft.
Never was to begin with.
It’s not lying, it’s just changing facts and definitions
Also while we’re changing things, it’s not piracy, it’s borrowing for free with a middleman.
Nah, not borrowing. Just sharing. You don't have to give it back
Lol, they're not even changing definitions there. They literally say that "ownership" does not mean "ownership". It's like saying 1 == 2. It's like saying true == false. If they just had something in there to say that "ownership" means thing x, y, and z, that'd be a changing of definition. No, this is so much weirder than that.
hell, we're not even borrowing with a middleman, we're just borrowing from strangers, like how you'd borrow a DVD from a friend but through the net.
From a certain point of view it was true!. Ha ha ha
"Rob? That's a naughty word. We _never_ rob! We just... sort of borrow a bit from those who can afford it."
My breaking point was in 2020 when you could only watch A Charlie Brown Christmas on Apple TV. Before that it was FREE on TV from its beginning in 1965.
Yea...
This was a total travesty. A day that will go down in infamy!
Just buy the DVD
Oh no omg not the peanuts😰😱
That was your breaking point? They didn't just start doing this
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
-Thomas Jefferson
The tree is thorsty
Except that people cherry pick what is and isn't just, in order to suite their whim.
It was originally if a law is unjust it's not law and we have no obligation to follow it saint Augustine and Martin Luther King said something similar great minds think alike
Following @nodak81's comment, this happens: "We think paying our employees fairly instead of our shareholders is unjust." If a law is unjust, we need means to strike it down in a speedy manner, and get compensation for the time it was in effect. That way we limit abuse from all sides. And if we don't have the legal means, we should use mass civil disobedience, not individual cherry picking.
GovernMent is slavery
For the kids in the back:
Piracy is COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED.
How justified? I'm a bit hard of hearing.
@@KaiserFlash
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Now excuse me while I improve my Seeder to Leecher ratio.
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@@MikeyDavis PIRACY IS VERY VERY JUSTIFIED! AAAARRRRRRRRGHGHGHHH!
I don't get why people try to justify piracy with morality. Just pirate for christ's sake you're not going to hell for it
The VERY moment we moved to digital media instead of physical, I for the most part stopped “Purchasing” movies. If you don’t have it in your hand, it can go away.
My stepsons thought I was crazy when I was telling them that with the new Xbox one making it "convenient" to download from the online store, that one day they won't be able to play those games and that they won't ever own the game. Well low and behold we fell on hard times and couldn't afford Internet and all the games they bought online couldn't be played...but the disk games I bought them could be...
@@stevelongoria9785 yup. My SNES games from the 90’s still play just fine 😂
You can download movies onto your own drives so it never goes away, I have hundreds on my PC. No, they’re not pirated.
@@stevelongoria9785
I mean that is more an internet thing than an Xbox thing.
But I do agree that I just prefer physical copies for similar reasons, something could go wrong with the company and your account potentially. It might be a stretch, but not impossible. XD
They should be able to play the downloaded single player games on their system, though I’m assuming they likely dont have many of those and do play more online.
Though many companies do make content for their games that is mostly in the digital form. DLC’s and such.
Exactly. My "physical media" collection consists of commercial dvd's/blu-rays that I bought, and admittedly, stuff that I got from torrent sites, downloads that I also transferred to dvd-r because keeping hundreds of movies on your hard-drive is also foolish, because you still lose everything when your hard-drive dies..which is inevitable. Anyone who is serious about their film collection knows that having a physical copy is the only thing that makes sense..
we already don't own anything...and we're not fucking happy.
There will be special happiness camps to help people like you appreciate the new arrangement. In the meantime, just keep practicing on making your face look like this: 😁
You are not happy because you didn't eat ze bugs and live in ze smart city.
Good news~
If nothing can be owned, then nothing can be stolen~
Though I'd personally only apply that idea to whoever 'owns' the most, or whoever would bend the rules the most.
I wear a mechanical watch I own... that's about it though
@@rudiger86wait until big-timepiece comes for you... They'll make balance wheels cost 800$ and it illegal to make them yourselves.
All these companies are like Lord Vader with their TOS's.
"I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it further."
I am altering my willingness to pay.
:)
No one cares about "new" Star wars
@@user-rn3rn6nl3hthat’s a 1970’s Star Wars quote, what are you talking about
@@user-rn3rn6nl3h🤦♂️
Yet they cry in the rain when pirates do the same thing.
God I hate the word consumer over customer.
Me too.. really, the ONLY situation where that terminology would make sense is if the person is purchasing consumable goods, such as foods, drinks, snacks and etc.
When it comes to your hardware and software, not a chance. I'm not going to play their game.
And "content" and "influencer" and all of the other marketing terms were forced to swallow
Fail
CONSOOOOM~!
@@tactknightgaming2066 Shionposting
My grandma had an old laptop that she bought a dvd ripper and she would rip every dvd we got from netflix in the mail. She also got me into limewire.
Now i continue her dvd legacy by finding movies online and ripping them as well as downloading a copy to an external hard drive.
Miss you gram, i saved your dvds
Your gran is a legend.
Now is the time you’re supposed to say just kidding 😉
Wow limewire, I remember that, it's how my computer got AIDS.
@gustavedelior3683 my sister and I were around 11 downloading music. We downloaded what we thought was Taylor swift, instead we got some creepy dudes voice that scared us so bad we didn't touch the computer for a week. XD
@@gustavedelior3683 Limewire and kazaa really were like the disease ridden whores of the early-ish internet
"You wouldn't pirate a car would you?" Well now that everything in the modern car is getting tied to a software that connects to a cloud to operate.. we will be torrenting our cars if it comes down to it.
I'd totally hack my own car without second thoughts.
hope 3D printing with metals becomes a thing for end consumers soon, I want to download a car's 3D model and print it
they told I wouldn't download a car, I would, I will, it's a matter of time
@@spitfire7170 3d printed metal parts aren't as strong as parts made by other means. They're porous and made up from dust that's losely bonded. It wouldn't work for printing a whole car.
@@spitfire7170Glowies won’t let normies own those printers.
@@Jadty Yep. "They" restrict CNC exports for that reason. It's only a matter of time before the plebes cannot have the same toys as government approved entites.
If "purchase" and "own" can be redefined by companies, maybe we who pay for content will make OUR definition of "violate terms" and "steal."
Well, the only fair way would be paying them with "I owe you" checks, that can be revoked.
@@magnusnilsson9792You sir are a genius!
@@magnusnilsson9792 You mean hacked paypal accounts with 100.000 dollars on them that you can buy for like 1000 bucks?
@@magnusnilsson9792 technically, any credit card purchase can be revoked if the seller fails to deliver what you bought to you. The seller has your money, you don’t have the product, simple as that.
Your Honor, I simply "agreed" to their terms of service. I didn't actually agree.
Piracy is a legitimate source of competition that companies must acknowledge. If they fail to compete with it, it will only become more and more preferable to the alternative options available if even there.
Valve got this almost 2 decades ago, incredible how greed blinds other companies so much that they fail to follow this rule.
man I tell ya there are websites that closely approximate a service that has everything ever put to film, available for streaming in an instant .. hard to compete with that
I feel the solution most corpos would think is that if they bribe enough politicians they can make sure that the government has you handed over to the company as a form of debt slavery when they discovered you viewed the media "illegally"
@@styleisaweapon You can compete by having a "download file" button
And there actually was a service like that, where you could buy movies and they were provided as mkv files,
and my old ISP had a contract with them giving me 80% discount on their 1 movie per week annual plan.
I have literally been pushed to it just recently. I have always believed in paying your way but their greed has no bounds and I cannot stomach it any more
This is why if there's a movie I love, I buy a physical copy of it. There have been many problems with "digital media" over the years, and it's not new information that "your" movie can be taken away at any point. Even when you own a physical movie, you don't "own" the movie, you own the disk it's contained on. Well unless you own the streaming company your movie is on, all bets are really off. Corporations aren't your friend, so there's no reasons to trust they won't cut off your access to anything just because you paid them. Support physical media when you can.. or sail the seven seas.
Bloody right
I got VPN and I will start dl the movies and tv shows I like
You can buy digital media and save it onto your own drive. Your physical copy will deteriorate over time.
I will never stop supporting Physical Media, especially with these "boutique" labels like Vinegar Syndrome and Arrow restoring all these obscure, "lost" movies and package them in those beautiful cases. Nothing beats having an actual "Movie Library" in your own home.
Exactly. I bought the Rizzoli & Isles series DVDs a while back, since my wife and I rewatch that almost annually. This year we went to start our new watch on HULU, like every year for the past decade or so... and it was only available with the "Live" service. I'm sorry, that show ended like 10 years ago. It is not "Live" and I will not be paying you extra fucking money to watch it. *pulls out DVDs and gets started*
@@aj897 If physical media isn't permanent, stealing isn't a crime! Who's with me?! Woooo. Logic.
If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing.
I pirate to make buying owning
Pirating was never stealing.
Never has been, copying is not stealing.
I 110% knew someone would comment this
It’s not stealing, and that fact is not dependent on any other definition.
Buying is owning ad pirating is not stealing
If you buy a piece of content or media, you should be able to download it in full resolution to your own local drive. This would be a very simple solution for customers who buy digital content in case a streaming company goes bankrupt.
Amazon did this with music. It can be easily done, they just dont want to.
I bought some videos from a site that went bankupt cant recall the name but a week before they shut down i used a downloading tool to grab all the videos i paid for, was it legal maybe maybe not but i paid for the damm things so i did not care what were they going to do sue while going bankupt?
There are digital stores where you buy and download, and streaming services where you pay temporary access to a digital library. Both options are available, there should be no confusion between the two.
@@ReZel80657yeah fuckit at that point it's preservation
Lately, it’s not “in case”, but “when” that bankruptcy comes.
If they could wipe your memory after you see the film, they would. They literally don’t want you to even remember it in your head.
Then you can buy and watch it again! 👍
In 2016, Micro$oft literally asked customers to pay a second time for something they already bought:
During the development of Windows 10, Micro$oft removed a deeply integrated API that was required to make a widely used PC CD/DVD DRM program (SecuRom SafeDisc) work from the OS, because the manufacturer of that DRM has long gone defunct and supporting their outdated DRM became a growing security issue.
This made the disc versions of hundreds upon hundreds of classic PC games from the late 90's to the early 10's unplayable, including games like Age of Empires 2, which were released by none other than Micro$oft themselves!
When owners of legitimate disc copies of Age of Empires 2 asked for a solution on Micro$oft's support forum, an official support representative of Micro$oft literally told them to BUY a digital DRM version of the game they already bought a legitimate copy of! 🤦♂️
And by "DRM-free version" they did not mean the remaster dubbed "Definitive Edition". That only came out years later! They did mean the original version (+expansions) of the game that hasn't received an update in probably more than 10 years at that point!
They literally asked their customers to pay twice for the same product!
Funnily enough, most of the affected games run perfectly fine on Linux, using a program called Lutris.
Lutris creates a WINE compatibility layer that supports those old DRM programs without the need for kernel level system access. And the community install scripts Lutris provides can even remove the DRM for you, if you fancy not having to insert the disc every time.
Who knew retro gaming is better on Linux than on Windows? 🤯
As someone who has played those games on old versions of Windows via dual-boot, virtual machines and even built a PC from old hardware (which proved quite unreliable) just for that purpose before switching to Linux, I can confidently say it's true though!
@@LRM12o8 Oh they finally got that working? Last I checked... which was circa 2015... you had to use kernel access among like 20 other tricks to do that and it still didn't work for all games.
Any idea if Lutris works for PowerChess 98? Never had any emulation system be able to handle that due to its obscurity and labrynthine windows98 dependencies.
Frankly, with a lot of these corporations, if they could just straight mug you for your money and get away with it, they would.
Only a matter of time before blu ray players start rejecting your physical media or the TV itself refuses playback from "unauthorized devices"
It's kind of crazy how companies want their products and services to become as indispensable as possible, and then argue that you have the choice not to accept the terms of service.
Not if you want to meaningfully participate in modern society you don't. Which is a good argument for government securing the rights of people to use these services without being subject to exploitative terms.
They don’t want anyone to own anything. You must pay a monthly price for the PRIVILEGE to do anything. That’s the goal.
I've written my congressman twice about these egregious TOS provisions. I recently read a 126 page document for a $35 purchase. 126 pages. Not only the TOS when you buy/subscribe/use, but the out-of-scope TOS that comes with a minor change in service. For example, I looked a some thing at my health insurance company where I would have access to some minor thing online. I would have had to accept a whole truckload of terms, including paperless. It changed the entire relationship. Contracts are typically a state law issue but this all falls under interstate commerce, unlike a lot of things they use the commerce clause as an excuse to regulate. Crickets. No response at all. If we all had to sign the same kind of TOS when we go to the grocery store, we'd starve to death.
"Think about the studio's side"
No. What happens with them is not my problem. You sold me a product, so I'm going to keep that product one way or another.
The company's financial status, who they got bought out by or whatever technological change does not change that I own what I bought.
Anyone who argues against that: Would you let the company come take your fridge, TV, car, or whatever because they're going out of business? No.
"Hosting is expensive"
Not my problem. You sold it to me, I want access to my file. Let me download my file and the problem is solved. But they don't. So, not my problem I'm going to do what I must to keep what I paid for.
I think about the studio's side quite often. They're also victims of the publishers and distributors. Oddly enough, I don't think "we're hitting them harder" is a reason to accept getting hit. And hosting is emphatically not expensive today, and very much a distributor created problem when they insist on streaming instead of plain transfers - specifically so they can shut it down.
If they can't afford it, they shouldn't have offered it in the first place.
Nobody sold you a product. They sold you access, which is a service and that service has been terminated. The idea that you'd own something was yours and if that is what you wanted, you could have chosen to get a disc in the first place. But you didn't.
@@markus30000
That's not how it works. They are selling things, it says you "Buy now" not "rent" or whatever. It's not a fucking service, it's a one time payment.
You can sit there and pretend the company has excuses but they don't.
Buy the DVD you keep it forever but you bought it on their digital platform and they can take it away? While paying the same price?
Stop licking corporate boot and get some god damned standards
Reminds me of that one time Ferrari came after Deadmaus's 458 because he changed the Ferrari logo on it and then wanted to sell it.
By the way, Ferrari have something called Right of First Refusal contract, where your legally obtained car _cannot be sold_ within the first year of """ownership"""
From here on out, every reference to the words "pirate", "pirating", "steal", "stealing", "stolen", "download", "downloading", "downloaded", "torrent", "torrenting", "thief", "thieving"or any other terminology previously used to express the illegal acquisition of content are henceforth no longer considered illegal, but the circumvention of outrageous policies set forth by companies to allow the removal of said content under any circumstance, without warning, or at any time of their choosing.
its archeology
Those words are all media industrial complex propaganda designed to protect their intellectual property oligopolies.
the digital pirate code. I love it
A pirate's life fer me, yo ho!
Land Pirates 2024, Baby! 😂
They shouldn't be legally allowed to call it a "purchase" if it can be taken away at any moment. Call it a long term rental with no expiration date if you want, this "purchase" BS is straight up false advertising.
Call it what it really is a lease.
You can purchase limited licenses... Unfortunately. They're going to use that as a defense of this crap and I can see it working. It really shouldn't though.
@@CreativityNull They need to make that more clear to consumers. In the apps it always says "Purchase" or "Purchase Movie" which implies that you will own it after purchasing the way a physical DVD works, nowhere someone would actually read does it specify that you are purchasing a viewing license on that platform.
I have no clue what the correct thing to call it would be but I've had enough of companies being able to purposely obfuscate their legal terms behind a 50 page TOS in language that only lawyers would understand.
@@LLSniper I 100% agree. I just worry that legally they may not have to, which then turns this into a legislative problem.
@@LLSniper Yeah, this is such a bullshit defense. It does not say "pay for limited access", it always says "buy". They know _exactly_ what that implies (to normal people) and that is why they use that wording.
That “Fuck you if you try” was the inner New Yorker clawing it’s way out of Louis
This process of replacing morality with legality has happened a couple of times before in societies that have long since collapsed.
Humans have destroyed many a society and civilisation over history and it looks as though modern society is going to be another victim.
Or had spines and revolted accordingly. Coin changer table decimation is long overdue.
'Dying societies accumulate laws like dying men accumulate remedies.'
This happens literally every 40-80 years because 'capitalism' is really the only system we've had for millennia ...
@@3nertia it was just called slavery by the rich for the rich till they learned how gullible fools are to worship myths and fantasies no matter the reality on their necks.
I told my wife this would happen almost a decade ago, when she asked why I horded so many physical and digital MP4 copies of my purchased movies.
I told all my friends this too. Just wait till it happens to Steam or something. People will freak.
You don't own steam games. They can delete them anytime they like.
@@VioFax steam is very very unlike to go bankrupt or just forcefully delete games from your library, at least as long as current owner is alive. The most of cases when Steam deletes the game from library no matter the reason they refund it to everyone who bought it. As far as i know, of course. The case with other companies tho... they delete and you have no access to the thing you bought and they do not even refund it
@@VioFax Valve is one of the only companies I trust to actually follow through on promises. They've said if Steam ever shuts down, they'll let you download all your games
@@VioFax While i agree, at least in Steam you can keep the game in your computer after you download the game.
Not saying that removing the ability to download is not bad, but, at least you can literally own the game.
@@diablense Yes, they pretty much print money. The more likely risk would be for some of the games to not be updated at some point. Although, that depends on how the system works, they may well have to keep the system updated for games in general to function making that a bit of a moot point.
The moral justification for piracy is very simple. They don't respect your property rights, your property rights are not being enforced. You don't owe society to respect their property rights just because they're a company. You owe them nothing, so do whatever you want.
Exactly. Why should companies be seen as godly entities, cuz they're not. They need to earn their money
Basically, I'll care about your property rights when you care abou my property rights.
I don't care about stealing from corporations.
@@ambiarock590 Because at some point our governments decided stock market performance was the only thing that mattered, And convinced most of us our own well-being was somehow tied to its success too. So if the abuse in some way boosts stock numbers then they just allow the abuse.
@@greg6500
Our Misruling Class' mantra: Power without accountability, Profit without risk.
I love that your intro is always "Hey everybody how's it going, hope you're having a lovely day" like you aren't about to just ruin me having a lovely day by bringing to light what's going on
Ignorance is bliss
I was taught in lawschool that a contract that just one party can change at will is not a valid contract. And every company wants to be able to do that. When did that change?
I'd say that's more of an agreement than a contract.
They all use arbitration as the go to now, no need for a contract when you can force everybody to sign all their rights away for a simple crumb from the CEOs/Elites table. That literally undoes like the last 100 something years of human rights progression and morality and not many people even know or speak about it as it is indeed, a one sided leash with a less then %2 chance of winning in their arbitration courts that use their own people as judge and lawyers most the time.
@d.4513its not a choice. Apple will brick your phone if you decline their ToS, and will not give you back your $1000+ you spent for the phone.
Like the other guy said, I don't think it's not really a contract, but even if it was, I don't think people really even read the terms and conditions before signing up for these services though. You can tell by the number of people shouting at the mountaintops about how they "own" all of this stuff. I'm pretty confident their terms never said anything about unrestricted or eternal ownership. If we check Prime Video, the Apple Store, TH-cam TV, I'm sure they're pretty similar. The only eternal ownership I ever got from a video service was getting to keep the last rentals I ever got from Blockbuster.
@d.4513 An illegal contract isn't valid just because someone clicks agree.
The digital age has brought scamming to a whole new level. Being a millenial i was born in a time when all of this did not exist, and i grew up along with the digital society. I remember when internet become readily available for everyone, it was the WILD WEST back then. There was no rules, this was before internet became mainstream. Back then we still bought physical copies of everything. Movies, games, you name it.
Through my years i have watched what used to be beautiful and free morph into an abomination of what it once was. All i see now is BOTS, Scammers and affiliate marketing. And channels like yours Louis absolutely warms my heart, because you are original. You are what internet was made for! Never sell out.
agree. Also grew up with the internet rising. Back then it was all kinda exciting and websites where just websites . Nowdays its a mine field run around sponsored content,scammer, false advertising, phishing ads and "only" annoying ads and popups that take 90% of a websites screensize
Oh yeah, as a dude born in 1985 I totally feel that.
Just like someone that buy’s 250,000 Obama books , and just get 1 pdf file…
Easy to payoff people ,
Stuff their pockets in the digital age
As a person born in late 80s, I feel exactly the same.
@@mima85 Same!
“One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue,” “The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.” Gabe Newell, CEO of Valve
netflix before everyone wanted their own piece of the pie. you saw a massive decrease in piracy because it was stupid easy to access almost any movie or show you want to see. now you need to pay for 15 different subscriptions with geolocked content and piracy spikes to the highest rate in history.
Gaben is a national treasure and I'm tired of pretending otherwise!
@@sirmonkey1985nah and i m talking as one who actually had a 1 dvd n 3 dvd service from them. Never changed habbits. 1. Banned content =pirate
2. Foreign stuff (best example naruto)
3. Software ignored much?
4. Games yeah me no liky steam its a sespool of early releases(half as$ attempt at money grabs n dlc bs)
5. Music? Well i listen to alot of styles no one service can handle ma needs.
6. Pictures dont get me started.
7:32 caliber!!!!!!! ❤
7. If i already paidy internet bill why do i need to pay extra for what is alreafy there?! Didnt they teach u anytying at school free is always better.
Great service is when your account gets blocked completely after you use cheats in a vac server
@@sirmonkey1985nope i wrote y the big wigs didnt like it😂
I started buying physical media again for this reason. I hate having an extra source of clutter but I don’t have to worry about not having access to my favorite movies.
Bookshelves, my friend! Couple of nice, tasteful bookshelves and the like will organize your whole collection while looking good in your house as furniture. Or, alternatively, tote bins, if you're a 30 y/o woman going through a clutter crisis.
I don't consider owning a Physical Media library "clutter." Those discs actually look quite nice if organized on the shelf. I think it looks rather impressive when I visit someone's home and I see a movie collection on their shelf.
Imagine worrying about "clutter" to the point that you're willing to get potentially ripped off by "buying" something you don't physically possess.
It’s not clutter of you use it as a decorative. It’s like a bookcase in your home but for movies
Didn't one of the founding fathers of this country say "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"?
Yeah, but Americans have been made completely docile and weak.
Injustice is a legal matter, literally breaking the law. If they break the law, sue them, but as it stands, I wonder if they actually even violated the terms that everyone using the service agreed to. They're not in good shape, so I don't really think we can expect them to say, "oh sorry, our bad" and restore everything.
Americans won't be standing up for anything ever
@@IfImCommentingStopMe Injustice and illegality are 2 separate things. The law is not always just, and breaking the law is not always unjust
Everyday that passes I'm a bit more sure my son will eventually read about you on history books in 2060 or something.
My Wikipedia photo will be of me in a mental asylum long before then.
@@rossmanngroup Note for the archiving purposes only - right now, it is the photo of Luis at DEF CON 30
@rossmanngroup I stopped giving money to companies decades ago, I just buy food and pay rent, I go to places with free internet and AC and have refused to participate in the system and world until people return to an objective moral paradigm and are no longer subjectivists, since that's never happening then I'm just jack sparrow for life at this point
@@rossmanngroup Louis Rossmann and the prisoner of Azkaban
Just so you know Police disrupt a lot of protest by infiltrating and causing the violence so they can shut it down.
I shared this to Facebook not only saying that you really don't own ANYTHING digital, and that once money goes digital, the powers that be will be changing the "TOS" that NO ONE agreed to.
Refuse to play. Refuse to comply.
Most important comment. Thank you.
Incorrect. If you have DRM free digital copies, you own them. Digital is not the problem, DRM is the problem.
I'd rather not have to store physical media, but right now I tolerate it because it's DRM free. If they started offering DRM free movie downloads, I'd buy all my movies digitally just like I do with DRM free music.
i'll take "i dont understand what computers are so i dont like them" for 200
Reject Modernity
We need to get back to cash
It's crazy that a contract can include words like "purchase, buy and sale" and then later in the contract say "oh, btw the words you seen earlier in this contract? yeah... those don't mean what they mean in the dictionary, on this contract they are all interchangeable with the word LOL so please re-read the contract with that in mind"
Not a lawyer but have worked on legal documents (Terms of Use agreements etc) and the places I've worked have always had the terms defined either at the beginning of the document, or at their first use. Redefining words midway through a contract when they've been used prior makes no sense.
This should literally be illegal
Noticed this kind of thing creeping in 15 to 20 years ago with *unlimited internet offers.
Turned out the * meant they were actually limited.
*"'purchase, buy, and sale' ... all refer to buying a license, not the actual product"
That is what corporations really mean.
Back in 1998 or 1999 I bought a license of a DTP software for about 3000 bucks. It was copy protected by a hard-lock (a thing you plug into the printer port). A few years later LPT ports went out of fashion so i called the company and they happily helped me to move the software to another PC and guided me through the online registration process. An additional couple of years later I wanted to move it to another PC again just to realize that my product key was unknown to the registration server. So I called the company again. This time the support agent was unable to help me, he told me that the software is too old and that I should buy the recent version. I refused. Now I am using a shady copy of off the internet.
You already paid for it. The Company was like "But what about the other 3000 bucks?". Screw them.
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 At least the „Company which shall not be named“ is still offering a license to buy while Adobe forces customers into a subscription model. Among the blind a one-eyed is the king, I guess.
Same here. I still use Visio 2000 (pre-Microsoft) that runs on a virtual XP for a business process that works great and was finely tailored around it back in the day. No reason to change what works well, and the learning curve alone would cost me money.
@@helidrones customer service just isnt a thing anymore
3,000 bucks in 98/99 money is more than five grand today
taking away... something that was purchased by someone in my country is called theft! If someone take your desk without your consent. It's not a "revoke" it's a theft!
@@everythingpony cool literally nobody here cares about your opinion
still theft in all aspects except legal, which is why pirating is morally justified
@@everythingponyand then these companies change the “contract” after you sign it. Piss off
Except he never owned it. The data was on servers he didn’t own and it was streamed on demand. They are not expected to maintain their servers until the end of time.
If you want digital media, you need your own servers and you need to have all your own data on your own servers.
When you buy digital data you need to be aware of this fundamental stuff. Your games, music, movies, books … if you need a login server controlled by someone else to view it, or if it’s stored on a hard drive you don’t own and served to you … dude, what do you think is going to happen when that server gets shut down? You think you spend $10 for a movie and they’re going to keep maintaining data until the end of time and streaming it on demand?
How do you think this actually works?
@@zero11010 No, like 99.9% of people, when they "PURCHASE" something, they expect to own it. Nobody reads every single word in the terms & conditions, and companies know this.
@@FishyBoi1337 how do you think that works? Just infinite data and servers to serve content until the end of time? Possessions you can will to your children and they can will to their children? Keep those login servers forever and keep the data flowing on Weekend At Bernie’s because FishyBoi once spent $4 to buy a bad movie?
It’s VERY obviously unreasonable to think that the company will NEVER go out of business. And that it’ll always have the ability to serve your data any time, night or day … until the world ends.
You haven’t thought it through. The terms and conditions are clear. And …. OBVIOUSLY this is how it works.
Just like you can buy games on Steam and if it’s a live service style game … when that game goes offline it doesn’t matter if you bought it. And if Steam goes out … there goes your game collection. Every online marketplace like this functions the same way.
This isn’t even new. The modern internet era began decades ago and EVERY service like this is the same.
If you have to login to access your data … it’s gone when that login server is gone. If your data is on another server and being served to you … it’s gone when that server is gone.
If you want to own things for real, get physical copies, or have your digital copies on your own personal hard drives. Tv, movies, music, games, books … anything. Apps you bought in your phone. Any digital thing. Welcome to the late 1990s and early 2000’s. Unsurprisingly … it works about the same as owning things for thousands of years earlier. If the thing you own is entirely controlled by someone else … you don’t really own it.
I have a confession to make.
30yo. I have been pirating since I was 17, movies, video games, softwares etc...if I see something that a team worked hard on, I do offer support in various ways, but I will never NOT pirate stuff that run a subscription model or doesn't let me own what I have.
Except it's not pirating. It's file sharing, which is not illegal.
If I have a license and you got a license to the same movie can we share it with each other?@@RipliWitani
How did you learn to do so? And how do other people learn to do this?
@@RipliWitani It is file sharing, but it is also piracy, which is basically file sharing but on the basis of infringing on intellectual property copyright.
I'm 40, I've been doing it since I was 11.
Remeber when Netflix dumped all us physical DVD subscribers and about doubled the rest of their rates? I'll never go back to them after that.
I lectured my kids back in the mid 2000's about how wrong piracy was and why it's important to support art, media, creators, etc....
Boy have I changed my tune in the past 5 years as we have transitioned to a 'you will own nothing and be happy' world.
to be fair, redbox has been the source of oh so many mkv files over the years. it was hard to beat a buck or two to rip a disk of whatever movies you wanted.
@@johngaltline9933The local public library also was fantastic for this because that's just tax money.
I hope they laughed at you.
It has nothing to do with supporting creators. It's these companies screwing people over that you shouldn't support. I still buy CDs, blurays and merch to support people.
Funny considering I’ve been pirating since I was in HS in 2001 and my dad was an IT guy who used to lecture me about not downloading sketchy things on the internet because he didn’t want something that could brick our PC.
Old habits die hard, I don’t pirate games much anymore, but you better believe I pirate my movies and TV shows like crazy still.
Contracts would be much simpler, shorter to read, and easier to understand if we made redefining already defined terms such as "purchase" or "ownership" illegal in contract law; especially when those terms have already defined "legal definitions". What kind of game are we playing here? It serves no public interest to allow lawyers to distort language in such a way as to deliberately obfuscate the intended meaning of legal documents.
100% this! 👏👏👏
If Lawyers don't muddy the meaning of words/terms they would be out of work. Does anyone remember the question, "What do you call a thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?"
The answer is, "A good start."
@@Frycat004 I think politicians and law should be the next things on teh chopping block for computer/robot replacement instead of blue collar honest workers. We can dream.
We need a DMCA reform first tbh. Your right to modify any data in your possession in any way convenient for you as long as you do not resell would be a great start. If I want to draw a dick in the 53rd page in my copy of Algo Design, I should have the right to, digitally or otherwise. Same goes for movies, software, web content and video streams.
Saying that if you don’t accept the new conditions you lose the right to use what you bought is as if a bank told you “then you lose all the money you deposited with us” 🤬
If P25 becomes law and the FDIC is abolished then your example will become truth
You could STILL lose ur money even if P25 wasn't enacted, really.
Supposedly banks do say that. I have no idea if this story is true, it is reddit after all, but someone said they were getting annual bank statements from their savings account for years, until one year they just didn't. When they contacted the bank, they claimed that they had "assumed that you forfeited the money."
@@Wendy_O._Koopa LOL 😜
Appearantly banks in the netherlands can close your account (and thus take all money stored on it) if there is "suspicious activity". This can be a purchase of as little as 50 euro (so bassically if you do groceries and you have a fairly large family you may need to tell the bank why you bought groceries and if you dont bye bye money). Its pretty insane
That's the biggest thing I hate about libertarians, the whole "just make your own" thing is my biggest gripe with them and why I consider myself a conservative with libertarian leanings. That worked in 1850 when there weren't these large mega monopolies, but you can't compete with Microsoft or Facebook, unless you're someone like Elon Musk.
I saw the writing on the wall years ago and decided to become my own Netflix. This is why I have a consitently growing Plex library made from a giant carousel of DVD's, Blu-rays and digital downloads.
Amen, My digital movie library is around 2500 and growing!! Mine and you can't take it away!!!!!
Same, I saw this coming and also made my own Plex server which has been awesome anyway because with Battery Backup now even when the power is out I can still watch my shows and movies while waiting for the power to come back on. And as mentioned best of all it is MY collection for as long as I want it. There are too many things these days that they try to make into a subscription that never ever should be.
@@hlevolve This is the way. I'm a firm believer in protecting what you have. I also have redudant drives in a NAS, a backup solution and a quality UPS.
im gonna build a plex myself. been rebulding my dvd collection. then gonna toss it into a huge nas.
I have my own home server I run through Plex. I have terabytes of movies, TV shows, anime, etc.
I remember when I used Redbox in the early 2010s, it was nice, but nice can never last, enshittification is inevitable when your only goal is 'growth'
Pleasing the shareholders*
The constant need to grow and please shareholders is the sole reason everything is getting worse. Its why your food cost more while being smaller, its why every streaming service is getting overpriced.
And then people will blame capitalism but then not do anything about the actual problem.
@@paperpersona1243 Its why you see more ads. Its why more of your data is stolen. Its simple. If these people who torture others for monetary gain are not punished, they will continue.
well personally I was curious about why redbox went bankrupt since my dad used to use these after blockbuster fell through so I have "nostalgic" memories of still getting that blockbuster experience for a while afterwards, and what I found was that apparently they got acquired by the "chicken soup for the soul" company that made those books by the same name (I actually read one of those books like 10 years ago so that *also* hit some nostalgia for me) like 2 years ago, and they went bankrupt, which caused all of their assets to be liquified which included crackle, redbox, and popcornflix
When I was growing up in the 70's and 80's, I bought my music on vinyl albums to play at home and recorded them on cassettes to play in my car. No one cared as long as it was for personal use and not for sale as bootleg copies.
We felt a sense of ownership back then. You could touch it, feel it, smell it, it's hard to describe that amazing feeling.
You can still buy physicals lowkey it’s the preferred way imo
They cared. They just couldn't do anything about it. That's why some nations had extra taxes on blank tape sales.
@@quademasters249 Sounds like they did something about it then. I know Germany, if I'm not mistaken, was first to institute levies on recordable media as far back as the 60s. You are correct that some nations did, and still do, assess taxes on audiocassettes (including Belgium, Finland, Switzerland, and Sweden), but most did not do so until the advent of digital media. The levy primarily targeted rewritable CDs and DVDs. Other media was simply just included. Fun fact, some of those nations also posed additional taxes on electronics capable of recording of using the media, so, in a sense, you were taxed twice.
oh they cared and even tryed to ban cassett recorders. courts however at the time where not owned by the megacorps and told them to go pound sand. why do you think they forced eveyone into digital tv and pushed super hard for digital radio but nobody bought those. becouse under anlong spectroms they could not block brodcast ota recording by law.
They call me a pirate. I prefer the term "media archivist".
Shit i wish i archived more of what I’ve seen… so much has disappeared in the last couple decades as we move to digital.
There is no logical reason that they should be allowed to claim, literally, that the word “ownership” does not imply, in their own words, “ownership”. If upheld, this basically gives precedent that any company can make any word mean literally anything as long as they mention that “no words mean what they normally mean” on page 450 of the EULA. Disgusting.
Of course they can, unless the wording is some kind of maliciously deceptive (which everyone will claim it to be when they find themselves with the short end of the stick). Welcome to legal documents. I'm pretty confident literally every video service is the same way. "Ownership" is a word that has all kinds of strings attached in all sorts of situations. Even home ownership depends on paying taxes, or you lose it, even having paid the whole thing off. I also knew people who had their land seized by the government for a new airport several decades ago. They owned their homes. That was moot.
@@IfImCommentingStopMe I understand that. However, in many of those cases, the word "ownership" (or whatever other word is being defined) is one that has multiple reasonable definitions, and the legal document is simply clarifying which of those reasonable definitions they are referring to. However, the wording used here is very different. Instead of clarifying a definition, they are completely re-writing it. It's one thing to say "when we say 'apple', we refer to a gala apple and not any other type of apple." It's completely different to say "when we say 'apple', we refer to a duck."
Rigorous definitions are a necessity of legal documents, yes, but taking advantage of definitions by changing the meaning of a word to something completely different and not used in normal language is something that is ethically wrong, and should be illegal. The intent was to trick users into thinking they were buying something that they were not, by using tricky definitions that twisted the meaning of a word outside of its normal use, when there were more accurate words that could have been reasonably used to describe the nature of the transaction.
As for "owning" homes, those terms are clearly defined, and as long as you followed those terms, you own that house. If you don't pay your taxes, that's your fault for breaching your contract, the government can't just decide "we don't think you deserve this home" and take it away. In cases like the airport, those are covered in a specific clause of the constitution, which you agreed to, and requires that the government has no other viable options and that homeowners are compensated. That is vastly different than saying "we can take your home at literally any time for literally any reason without any form of compensation, even though we say you own this home." THAT is what these game companies have been doing.
I remember Bill Clinton being freed from impeachment due to a long dissertation about what the meaning of "is" is.
Wasn't there a ruling by the Ohio SCOTUS just a few days ago that boneless chicken doesn't have to be boneless? Same principle.
we've already been there for a long time. its why doing anything less than enthusiastically slaughtering poor people is called "socialism"
If buying isn't owning. Piracy isn't stealing.
Never was stealing to begin with, it was: making an illegal copy.
dang. love it!
@@amoeb81 If I don't own what I do purchase then there is no theft.
@@rallyfeind Would it be theft to copy the Mona Liza atom by atom in the real world? I would say no.
So that is why I say that there is no stealing at all to begin with...
@@amoeb81 i am saying if the right of any labeled purchase is not absolutely the ownership of the purchasers then there are no rights of any companies or entities to protect
I remember making a post about you shouldn't have to buy a new computer to be able to use the latest version of an OS. Commenters jumped all over me calling me cheap, old, stupid and anti-tech. I fired back that it's an OPERATING system. It's not a bow to your master, commandeering, your crap is mine now system. It was just supposed to operate my system, whatever it was.
People are stupid. That is how we ended up here to begin with. If the majority used their brains we would not be so far down this road to begin with. I've been pushing back against ALL of this crap in all its forms for what would have to be 22 years now. Deaf ears now just as it was then.
Honestly it's the same thing when it comes to emulators when you even say the world emulator people start calling you a pirate or broke it is getting so bad
So true! I remember trying to buy an entry-level simple PC in year 2K in France, going to the local "Carrefour" mall, asking a guy in charge of PCs to remove the preinstalled OEM MS Windows that I didn't want to buy, and arguing for almost an hour about that being "impossible". "Sir, you can't buy a car without the engine!" (that's what he told me...). I replied "if Win98 were an engine the car would not be allowed to leave the shop as it would end up crashing every day and killing the driver and passengers randomly".
Many people agree with you. Windows 11 has a minor share of the market, after all this time. Windows 10 is still king.
@@joesterling4299 the only reason windows 10 won is because microsoft stopped support for it and the devs just repeated after them some time later. I believe that win 7 is still one of the most popular os's despite the fact that it's already 4 years since its end of life and the fact that all the software slowly cuts off win7 support
This dude here is my brother. Fuck yeah.🤘
More and more, in every sector of society, these "Service Providers" can simply dictate their uneven, bullshit, exploitative terms to me, call it a "contract" and then have the nerve to demand of me a goddamn security deposit! But where the fuck's my insurance against their shenanigans? Those contracts are articles of legalized coercion as far as I'm concerned. They ought to be fucking criminal.
Again and again the consumer is treated like disreputable bum, at best. And at worst, a filthy crook.
I use to be an old box TV repairman. I started out just a few years before the advent of flat panel displays. When those came out and repairs turned into swapping boards out I was so disappointed as now repairs turned from a few bucks in parts to taking most of my profits in the actual repair. worst of all if that did not turn out to be the fault it would instantly wipe out any profit you made on the set. Schematics and datasheets where available for all the parts back then now its so difficult to figure out why something is faulty because you have to guess what these little black boxes are doing. case in point last year my brother asked if I could fix his flat panel because the back light was broken. instead of just buying a whole new power supply board I tried to repair the board by replacing the IC that decides to supply the 100v+ to the backlight array. Obviously without knowing what this IC did or how it becomes enabled I am working in the dark. worst of all I don't even know if the part I receive these days is a genuine part or if its a re-badged part that is for something entirely different. anyway it obviously did not work and without these documents its so difficult to do board repairs and in the end we binned the TV just because the backlight driver was faulty. It sickens me that this is the norm now. and it sickens me that we the consumer are blamed for pollution of he planet. I grew up with a Sony Box TV that would break every time the weather changed and we would get a TV repair man that would come into our house and repair it. We had that same TV for over 20 years and then it was re-placed with a new flat panel that lasted just over its warranty. How is this the new norm? How is this right? by the way to all the younglings out there it was normal to fix your TV's once a year and this felt right you did not feel cheated you felt good that your TV has been serviced and knowing you good for another year of usage. Ok, this has been my rant it way not be for everyone but sometimes I just need to get this off my chest.
This! My phones keep lasting less and less. First phone... still going. The operating system is massively outdated so I can't use it, but it's still going. It's a crappy Samsung nugget from 2015. Second phone? Couldn't survive 5 years. Ok, cool. Third? Three. Second? BARELY TWO. MIND YOU, I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING EXTREME. Unless writing in the notes app and drawing in ibispaint is extreme. The errors I get when my phone dies are all more and more digital bullshit. My 5 year old phone couldn't last because the hardware and OS were too outdated for modern use. My 3 year phone died because it began to run like fucking shit. It lagged when I turned it on. "System UI not responding" was a LOVELY error. And no, my storage was not full. Nowhere near. I used my SD card for storage. The two year old phone died for the same reasons but way more aggressively. It became completely fucking unusable.
And no, this isn't from viruses. The only apps I ever downloaded from the app store were TH-cam and Flipaclip. Later down the line Ibispaint and Kinemaster got added to the roster, but that's it.
I absolutely adore my current phone and am beyond terrified of its possible fate. 8GB of ram, 256GB storage, beautiful sleek charcoal grey design, gorgeous AMOLED screen, 120hz refresg rate...
It sounds like your repairs are just swapping parts, and praying 😂....maybe you should learn to use a multimeter
@@benbaggen2375I take it you have never worked with complex IC chips? Unless you have full schematics and an oscilloscope, there is NO Way to diagnose that type of failure with just a multimeter. Most PCB's are just impenetrable black boxes these days
@@Twiddle_thingsi have found that a factory reset every so often helps with the random "system ui not responding" errors. I've done it with my phone a few times, and now my tablet is due.
@tonydavis9495 a cheap oscilloscope is $150-$200, and most chip schematics are readily available online and can be found in 5-10 min.
Corporations: “It's not lying, it's just changing facts and definitions.”
Consumer: “Ok; it's not piracy, it's borrowing for free with a middleman.”
Corporations: “… 😡😡😭”
It's not lying, it's commercial real estate.
It isn't stealing, it's borrowing without intent to return
You literally copied that other comment word for word
As did the pirates @@mentals555
@@mentals555 but he didn't pirate it..
Anything not commonly available in standard distribution should no longer be covered by copyright or trademark protections.
@@Nanan00 if you wrote a book and it didn't sell well at first, it might be removed from shelves. Should your right to sell it as your intellectual property be lost? Because that's what you said.
@@stevek8829 If you self-publish the book in standard distribution, then it is still available.
If you bury the book in your drawer and are not willing to make it available *after it already has been available*, it should be accessible in an open archive.
So, your point doesn't stand here, and that's not what @Nanan00 was talking about.
In this digital day and age i think there is at least some merit to this idea.
@@stevek8829 If they stop all distribution in any form (even just one off prints from the creator’s own website) over a prolonged period of time? YES. Copyright is a negotiated synthetic right created only to incentivize creation of works for eventual enrichment of the public domain, and when is ceases to serve that core function we owe nobody a moral duty to not copy to our heart’s content any information we have access to. The idea of ‘owning’ a specific arrangement of bits as some natural right is just silly, since it is at its core essence nothing but a specific very large number.
@@stevek8829 Copyright fanboys always retreat back a century before digital was a thing to try and make a point.
Excellent commentary man. To that whole “You can just make your own” thing, I say “I have my own job. Why should I have to do someone’s else’s job, just because they want to jerk me around.”
1. Open car dealership
2. Put in the terms, that selling doesn't mean transfer of ownership or any legal right whatsoever
3. Sell cars, get money
4. Take cars back
5. Sell cars, get money
...
That's kind of lready happening. Some stealerships sabotage their cars with remote inhibitor devices, to prevent the car from starting if they feel like you're behind on payment.
Some will also "repossess" cars without authorization from a trial and court ruling, which in that case is just a fancy word for stealing!
@DW11111 unless you're connected to mafia, and MAKE that customer late on the monthly payment, steal the car, and now you have both the car, and the money, and a "fck you it's my right to do it" attitude
@DW11111The point he's not stating directly is the dealerships don't have to prove you ever missed a payment to "reposses" a car, and there are multiple dealerships taking full advantage of this to take the car at their convenience.
@DW11111 If you're the kind of person to need to make payments on a car, you probably don't have the income to support said lawsuit. Thus the exploitation.
@DW11111What a dumb take. Individual people don’t have money for lawsuits. Why can’t you admit the system is rigged? Is your personal identity tied to it or something?
I've described it to friends and co-workers before by asking them if they think it would make sense for people to show up at their house and take everything in their house that they ever bought from Walmart if Walmart ever went under, and of course they're like, "No, that'd be stealing- ooh wait.. I see."
The mental conditioning these companies have inflicted upon customers is more effective than many think. Most customers honestly do view digital media ownership differently than physical ownership when it comes to how you own them, when there really should be absolutely no difference in how you own them. If you bought it, you should be able to use the item whenever you want to, for as long as you want to, just like you can with any physical item, and the selling company going under shouldn't suddenly mean you can't use the item any longer.
If you don't have a copy of what you bought that you can use whenever you want on your own devices, you probably should.
Redbox should be obligated to provide the tools and services for every customer to download and burn the purchased content into a physical form. At a minimum provide a link to download all purchased content.
lol with what ? they couldnt pay for oil changes on their leased vehicles anymore.
I have seen bankruptcy rulings make dead companies pay out some crazy shit. Maybe instead of paying off the CEO’s contracts the liquidation money goes to a website for the customers to download their digital content they purchased.
everything i purchased on redbox they sent a dvd/bluray to me.
WORST case give me the option for $5 to download/own that copy of whatever I’ve purchased. Easy extra cash for them and willing to part ways with some content I don’t assume I’ll need.
@@thingsmymacdoes They literally could have set up torrents for customers to share and use with absolutely minimal cost, but it was more important to them to pay their CEO's undeserved bonuses year-after-year than it was to treat their customers properly and fairly.
This is why any digital movies I "purchased" are now recorded and saved to my computer.
Copyright was invented to protect writers from being abused by ruthless book printers. It was about making physical copies of art and preventing starvation of artists.
Our current copyright system is too far removed from that to make any sense in a digital world. Now it is about maximizing profit for digital rights holders and mostly decoupled from the actual artists. Also it is not about physical copies anymore.
I suspect it was invented by the powerful for their own benefit, like patents.
The fact that a copyright last so much longer than a patent is kind of nuts.
@@G-ra-ha-m while I dont know that it was invented by the powerful it sure have become who it benefits the most imo.
@@daryljenkins4391 Patents are a funnel, then the patent office can sell the best ideas to their corporate friends.
@@daryljenkins4391Disney is to blame for that
I worked for rebox fixing machines, now 1000 of us are unemployed, it's great.
The CEO is an epic fraudster who destroyed a perfectly good company
pretty mutch every ceo.
@@gogereaver349 once something switches from the original ceo/founder to another, all the passion and pride is gone, and it's only about making the most profit possible. every cent they don't get is a cent "lost" in their eyes.
With how digital everything is becoming were the machines even making money lol. Initially I found redbox to be good, but at some point it did seem to become to expensive. $2-3 for a dvd rental for one day and don't even get started on blu-rays and video games lol.
Sad to see them go as I used redbox quite a bit in college to just quickly watch a few movies on my days off and sometimes would get a promo for a free movie or game rental.
With how expensive they got and how close it was to renting digitally I just can't see the physical machines be doing as well.
That said I was not familiar with their digital side and was unaware they even "sold" copies of movies.
@@TheCommanderTaco yea but the 5$ buy the movie was worth it.
Saw the kiosks down at several locations and jokingly assumed they went bankrupt, oh boy
"We are lying to you and think nothing of you" - the content policy, basically.
My day is all the better for watching and listening to you, Louis. Thank goodness people like you exist who are not frightened to tell it like it is. Louis, you're one gutsy individual. Keep up the good work.....😊😊😊
It's sad that people that in reality decided not to pirate, and use a service like Redbox, are now being punished...
"Locks & keys are for honest people"
how does a bankrupt movie streaming company keep hosting 900,000 movies for everyone forever? i think the move to digital fucked us all real hard and deep
Users should be allowed to either port their purchases to a third party service, like a cloud service, or outright download their purchases. The fact that their content is just gone is unacceptable, regardless of what happened to the marketplace from which they purchased it.
No, it didn't. There's nothing about the digital media hosting technology that's responsible for this corporate malfeasance. They do it because they can get away with it, not because "stweaming is hawd".
They sold a product. If they did so without the ability to provide that product, it's their responsibility to find a way to deliver it or refund the full purchase price or it's theft.
I have pirated since 2007, and I haven’t stopped. If it is something I really like and want by to support the maker I will buy physical media. Otherwise Hollyweird can burn.
I watched this video as i was cleaning out my 1985 General Electric Alarm Clock. 6 standard phillips screws on the bottom and you have access to everything, cleaned all the contacts and blew out all the dust. Had it back together in 15 minutes. I guess it will be good for the next 40 years now.
I sometimes sail the salty seas, but when I buy content, I only buy physical. And I prefer to buy rather than pirate.
This is also the only way to avoid retroactive censorship of your favourite spicy media. Try finding original unaltered recordings of David Allen Coe or even eminem's early work on streaming platforms. Movies too, Han shot first!
Yep, I only buy physical too. The only exception is if I have digital credit from some promotion (just watched an ad on my tv and used the credit to buy gone fishing for free haha). I even sidegraded the firmware on my drive so I can rip my 4k movies :) also streaming quality and features suck! you dont get any of the extras or commentary tracks.
You're awesome, man. I kept getting your videos recommended to me and the more I listen to them the more I appreciate your content. Thank you for doing what you do.
Thanks for the kind words, I hope you have a lovely rest of your day!
If you don't have a physical copy of any form of meida, you're just renting it at their suffrance.
Does an MKV file count as a "physical copy"? If you pay to access streaming services, you _can_ legally download a copy of everything on their menu; you _have_ the right to view it (in fact most streaming downloaders only work if you have a paid streaming service account like Netflix in order to get the decryption key from them).
I absolutely have "backups" downloaded of all of my purchased media and even seasons of shows I've streamed. They've already gotten my money; I'm gonna make sure I can continue to access what I payed for on my own terms.
You bought them man, they're yours. Next step host them on a personal jellyfin server!
This is why i hate the inability to download DRM free media that you "purchased" from these media distribution sites... unlike say music on certain platforms...
Take the first 7 letters of "torrential rain"
That action, with a VPN, is always possible
I only buy digital music if I can download it DRM free. I dont pay for no music streaming the artist gets pennies if they are lucky.
I remember the days when people downloaded their music :P
These days there are some fancy YT-MP3 downloaders...
This is partly why if I am going to buy an mp3 I do so on amazon because once you purchase them you can download them with no drm. Normally I just buy a cd and with their autorip I get the mp3s free with it. To bad there isn't a movie equivalent of this, that service would be making bank!
I wish it was a public solution for aes256 protected video
Ubisoft wants the customer to become comfortable with not owning their games.
I've become very comfortable with the thought of these companies going bankrupt. I refuse to engage with their bullshit.
Ubi games aren't even worth the hassle of pirating them tbh.
A large part of Redbox's demise was because the Gamers were just stealing the discs. th-cam.com/video/eF4xFuANH-4/w-d-xo.html
This is why I still buy movies I want long term on disc. Half the time it is the same price and still gives a digital copy as well.
This is similar to what happened to that guy who had his Apple ID account cancelled and lost access to all of the apps, albums and other electronic items that he had paid for. He had spent $10s of thousands of dollars. And Apple never told him why his Apple ID was cancelled.
...so he can start all over again?
Apple found out that he was a Trump supporter.
Happened to me over ten years ago on Amazon when I forgot my password. Only lost a hundred bucks worth of movies and music, but I vowed never to buy digital after that happened. Got hundreds of DVDs and CDs now. Life is good.
Happened to me when I lost my last yt account. Got no access to the TV episode I purchased. No thanks to buying stream movies or TV shows
@@chuckh4077 TH-cam won’t even tell you why you were banned. 😂
They want to stop private sales and end the pre-owned market. You want to watch a movie? They get a piece of the transaction no matter how you obtain it. They also get sales from people who would've borrowed from their friends. They don't want you to own it. They want you to consume it and thats all you can do with digital media. Calling a product a physical copy is redundant and deceptively implies there's an alternative. If you didn't receive a copy that physically exists, you didn't buy anything. You paid for a digital service and services have no guarantees. At best you can pay and then turn around and pay to manufacture the product for them. If you have to go through all that what do you need them for?
Unfortunately, the middle men (aka Netflix and company) want that. The film industry used to enjoy a second wind of sales from the VHS/DVD days until streaming practically killed that area.
Yep, they want a cut every time you view their "IP", and they also want the telemetry of what, where, why, when, and how you chose to view it. View it off your NAS or USB stick don't let these greedy bastards make you so dependent so as to undermine your right of ownership.
@4:50 It isn't just one company doing this. Anything you 'buy' 'purchase' 'own' etc. from online streaming services does this. If you get banned, the company shuts down, or as Steam proved you die, you do not 'own' anything you paid for and thus can't pass it on/leave it via will to anyone after you die. It is only a payment to gain access to it which can be taken, revoked, or ended at any time by the service provider (IE Google, Hulu, PSN, Steam, Epic, etc.) simply because you agreed to the terms of service for 'buying' 'purchasing' 'owning' the content they provided you access to.
I personally think that they should have all of that dropped in price to an extreme low. Why is a consumer expected to pay full price as if they purchased a hard copy of the item in a digital platform, if they don't own it. They aren't buying it, they are requesting and being given access to it, so why is it full price? It is one big exploit that has been exponentially blown up cause no one said way back during the early years 'Hold on, if I am buying it for full price why don't I own it, and if I don't own it then why am I paying full price for it?'
You make a good point. During bankruptcy proceedings, the studios will be too creditors. They will claim funds due based on the sold content and get paid for the content yet the content is not and will never be given back to the consumers. So the studios will get the money but the consumers will not have the product that they paid for and the studios will end up getting paid for.
as a little maniac wrote: "you will own nothing and be happy" - I think you're right about this topic that we have to rebel against this, otherwise at some point our property will really only be in quotation marks
Do not comply
Do not consent
That’s the American way
so not to be a bearer of bad news..
but look at electric cars.
housing market
ofc land sales as well
electric cars u dont own.... u cant modify them etc..
houses in america are being bought up and huge #s i talking by the 100s if not thousands at a time by companies like Black rock.... which is big reason why prices are soaring. covid comes, people get laid off....... people are being evicted..... and yet housing market keeps goign up? at all time rates as well......?
same with farm land all over the globe. same bs.
the people in power are at a point where they can literaly own everything....... they want to and will
It's disconcerting how many people support the nonsense that's politics and business. The system is almost entirely corrupt and the fools support it.
Lesson to the younger people: always download that stuff you paid for and store it locally.
If buying no longer means a thing, then stealing does neither.
Or just buy physical media.
@@Charles_Anthonythis but all these people are too lazy and stubborn.... They all want to sit at home and buy things digitally instead of spending the extra time to go to a store and get physical. At least you own something at that point, and oh people can borrow it without using your account.
@@gnarleytarley3870 : You know what's even funnier about your point? DVDs and CDs and vinyl... all that stuff can still be delivered to your house but it's that "instant gratification" that has even made that unappealing to the youth.
With Windows 11 T&Cs, don't be at all surprised if you go to watch some of your content one day and discover that it has been deleted without your knowledge.
@@Charles_Anthony Buying physical media should come with instant access to a digital copy. That way you get the best of both worlds. You're going to have the data eventually anyway, so why make you wait?
I fully agree. Here in the Netherlands that is exatly what I said when Adobe started with their subscriptions. They told you will 'buy' the license for a particuilar period. So I told paying for a period of time is called rent, not buying. Buying means you OWN it for a lifetime, not for temporal. On this off course I never received a reply.
I noticed Spotify made me listen to a commercial while I pay the subscription, so I told them I pay for it, so stop with adertsiement, you are wasting my time listening advertsiments. Off course they came up witha BS-reason as well. Then I discovered that Spotify automatically opens-up when switching on your phone. So I tried to find a way to avoid that. Than I noticed in the settings this was just simply not possible. Also it was clear they installed cookies, just for personalized ads. WHILE I PAY for it!
In the meantime if these kind of companies allow themselves to pirate my personal interests and/or or my ownership of BOUGHT products, then I am allowed to pirate their software/entertainment.
it's a slippery slope. at first it's an ad free plan, then it's a basic plan with ads. no matter what, you will watch ads AND get charged for being able to do so. screw spotify, buy an SD card.
201X: Piracy kills. Support corporations.
202X: Piracy rocks. Fuck corporations.
"your honor, she said no, but when i bought her a drink, the word no means yes in my conviluted vewrbal contract"
@@mystraunt2705 If you want the OP to change their spelling of verbal, you will need to send a registered letter, postmarked no later than June 30th 2024, otherwise you have accepted the alternate spelling is a mistake not worth commenting on.
@MonkeyJedi99 Cool so all I need is a time machine? Simple enough. You will get that mail a month ago very soon
After I had a family, I stopped caring about "you need to be responsible" and started thinking "you know what's nice? Not having to worry about stuff I buy." Piece of mind because I don't wanna spend my life trying to research every little thing anymore.
I like the way you put it. You dislike government unless they're doing things to stop other people from getting rid of your rights. EXACTLY! A law that stops someone else from screwing you over are exactly what I want to see. It's not like the government's going tomorrow, so we gotta deal with this.
Unfortunately, the government is owned by corps who make sure the government favors them and allows the corps to trample our rights.
Do the right thing eventually becomes do the right thing, FOR ME.
DVD collections are a must. Also because they are going back and editing movies to remove scenes they deem are offensive. Always buy the dvd of any film you love.
exactly...and you better get buying because the purge is accelerating
Until they program your smart TV to reject playback from older devices.
@@Syncrotron9001don’t buy a smart tv buy a monitor and hook it up to your computer
@@Syncrotron9001 that going to be hard because if you have a display panel you can make your own TV !
we used to make dvd players from IED DVD drives with a VCD cards (3rd world country)
and as long as you have a LCD panel you can make a TV/monitor using other parts !
also you can buy some cheap Dell/HP desktop PC's (office used) that runs windows 7 and have a crack copy of windows 7 or get something like Zorin OS and don't connect to the net, if you need drivers you can use another computer and download them !
I can see them trying something like that
Gen X here & I've never "bought" media that I can't have a physical copy of for my purchase. The idea that I've paid for a copy of a thing but I still need to continue to buy other services (eg, streaming membership, internet access) to access the media I've bought, is nuts: it's essentially buying the thing several times over (and over & over). I refuse to participate in these shenanigans. If I can't have it on my hard-drive, usb, or on a disc I don't "buy" it.
I bought a lot of movies and tv shows on Google Play, I moved country and they revoked it all.
Like i just simply lost it all. So I am now pirating all my movies and shows back and never buying another one of their devices.
They didn’t revoke it, you just have to login to the same country store you purchased from to download. They don’t overlap.
@@MyLibertyTVRegion locking purchases sounds almost as bad
I feel zero guilt for pirating things i have already bought
Hypothetically, wouldn't you even get it back if you moved back or made visit in your old country, or did they just steal it straight up?
What you should be "purchasing" is a *right* to view the intellectual property involved. That right should be permanent and non-revokable across all media. It really pisses me off that I've had to pay for the same music several times over simply because I opted to purchase it on vinyl, cassette, and CD. The majority of the cost in each case is the *license* to listen, the media cost is just pennies. However, if I want that music on a different medium I have to buy the *license* to listen all over again. That's gouging.
Now that we have streaming as the primary delivery mechanism we should be able to transfer our "license" to another streaming provider for no more than the actual cost of doing so -- because we've already paid for the *license* to watch/listen.
Until music/movie publishers acknowledge that they're selling us a limited license then I won't pay.
Yes you are and yes you will. You, like many others here, say one thing and do another. It may not even be your fault but rest assured you will pay. Capitalism only works to a point and we've passed that a long time ago. Capitalism, as good as it has been for us, will be our downfall, unless we use a little bit of the rest of the methods out there like socialism. 22 out of 23 top countries in the world have figured out how to give their citizens free to almost no cost health care, but the richest country in the world just can't figure it out. Capitalism is out of control.
@@JarofMayonaise they haven't figured it out, the costs are catching up to them. The NHS is falling apart (huge wait times), same with Canada's, and Swedish system is also starting to fray.
The only system doing well is Singapore's, and that's highly capitalistic, although very regulated (competitive to lower prices).
Socialism is kicking the can down the road until the whole thing collapses
@@JarofMayonaise No, you will pay. We with any amount of willpower will not. Wow.
@@GameFuMasterhow did you turn a comment about CDs into a criticism of socialism. 💀 man stop guzzling down that kool aid and chill that aint what we're talking about rn
@@JarofMayonaise don't equate corruption with capitalism...the latter isn't inheritly corrupt, it's designed to be.
The richest country in the world IS the richest country in the world BECAUSE they figured out how to corrupt the system as much as possible, milking the public dry while at the same time allowing banks, billionaires and big corporations to legally print money...
Capitalism didn't rule that banks are allowed to loan out 10x their capital (literally generating that amount + interests out of thin air by the time the loans are payed off), it wasn't originally intended that interests are being used systematically to increase the wealth gap, and it sure as hell didn't intend for any of the numerous Wall Street schemes that allow them to exponentially multiply digital money without repercussions even when the market eventually crashes (remember 2008), or the fact that the banks and investors became so rich that they lobby whatever scheme they want into legality.
The consumers aren't at fault for the shithole we're in, nor is capitalism...the people who altered and corrupted our capitalism are, and it's become to big to fail and impossible for you and me to make a dent in the system.
So stop projecting that everyone is a sheep and just accepts it...a few individuals taking a stance and opting out of taking this sh** won't change the system, I am well aware of that, but I KNOW that I'm not contributing toward this corruption and that's enough for me to feel just a little better about myself. And so even if we can't make a dent in the system, we can at least do the next best thing...and that's making dents in individual companies that somehow drop the ball.
When they make a fatal mistake that comes to the public's attention, we raise our voices and hope enough of us band together to make at least a few of these corrupt individuals feel the repercussions...the system is nigh unfixable, but at least it sometimes throws it's own people under the bus to give us the illusion of justice.
I'm not buying the illusion, but I can enjoy watching corrupt people being thrown under busses.
If I don't get a physical hard copy that stands alone without internet connection, I avoid it.. I can and will live without it.
I survived the 1970's as a kid with 3 TV stations, a party line rotary dial telephone on a ranch connected to the world by a dirt road.
I'll be fine.
The rotary phone, I had one on backup just incase the parents took one away as punishment! haha!
Most of us aren’t fine with being stolen from, even if we did grow up in the 70s.
@@jerrydwyer9057idk man sometimes i wanna play a fun video game and don’t really care if i can play that in 7 years or not. i do still mostly buy physical games that can be played offline, but like splatoon 2 is really fun and already has gotten my moneys worth. even if nintendo shuts down the servers in like a decade someone would have created a way to still play it, like people did for online games on 3ds, wii u and the wii
They say that piracy is theft. If someone steals something from me and I steal it back, am I a thief? NO
Yes, unfortunately. See OJ Simpson...
Have cut down my spending to a minimum because of risking crap like this. Miss the old days when nobody could come revoke your purchased licenses and media.
The only entertainment I buy is just a monthly final fantasy 14 subscription everything else is sailing the high seas!
You mean, now? Physical media is still a thing.
Now they can even revoke your purchased PHYSICAL products!
Well, they can't take them away physically, but they can take their use away, by OTA-installing a software update, or shutting down a proprietary information/authentication server the product requires in order to function!
I never understood the people who "built a library" on these pay to use services. It's just extremely short sighted. Hope this serves as a warning.
Fr. I have a movie library on youtube but its all just stuff I have on bluray anyways. Basically I only buy digital when I want convenient access on the go without having to rip my blurays.
Piracy is essential until they change their tune. I will pay, then pirate. Products are no different. Remember kids, Sonos ALMOST bricked hundreds of millions of dollars in equipment to force you to buy new products. I for one am done. No more "connected" devices/media for me.
You can't pirate if you pay, so instead you wanted to say you download your copy from the internet after you paid for it (instead of doing it yourself). ;)
People here need to stop using the terms "pirating" for simply downloading copies of what they paid and rightfully own.
@@Thundereus exactly
Oh hell yeah yeehaw partner, no more of them "connected" devices in my household!
I commented a while back, I want to say you are doing a good job and keep up the good work. It’s nice to get some information many people do not consider
Piracy has been surging this year for movies, video games, and books. companies know that but they wont say it is happening.
They're staying quiet until they find a way to blame the consumer, and they're drawing a blank.
The more they change the wording of the laws to take ownership away from end users, the more those users will come up with inventive and innovative ways to take their ownership back.
When I was a kid, I used to pirate video games.
As an adult, I discovered I could buy them DRM free, and store them wherever the hell I want. I no longer pirate my games.
Until I can buy movies and shows without DRM, and watch them wherever and whenever the hell I want, I'm gonna pirate them.
I recently returned to the dark side since some games have kernel level anti cheat for a online component that I just don't want on my pc....
And yea, that does make it more tempting to also download stuff that doesn't have that, but fortunately I didn't give in yet.
Where?
@@samaurel6619 GOG. It used to mean "Good Old Games" but they rebranded and changed focus away from just old games and are now just "GOG" with no meaning.
@@samaurel6619 GOG, or "Good Old Games"
@@samaurel6619 gog
The biggest issue here is how they are phrasing and implying purchasing. In reality you are licensing the media for your own personal use, but by the implied "purchase" or "buy" option it would be assumed this would be in perpetuity, not at the discretion of the companies whims when they want to revoke that right. Rent is much more clear cut in these definitions with a license to watch a movie based on certain criteria, for which after that the license is revoked. I totally agree with you that what they did was messed up, but as a professional photographer, my business is fully based on the idea of licensing my content I produced based on my copyright. Every time I sell a license, though, i make it clear exactly what that license includes in terms of usage with who can use said license and thus images, how they can be used, and whether there is a time frame for which they can be used. All these different factors dictate the value of the license. This intrinsically is the same thing that is happening with "buy" movies or "rent" movies from these platforms, but the terms of the "buy" are not clear by any means and the idea that those rights can be revoked at any time based on the whims of the "supplier" is ridiculous. Definitely makes the argument that purchasing physical media (which is still bound by usage restrictions) is the only way to actually legitimately buy a perpetual license of a movie. At they end of the day, you are never purchasing a copyright though, only a license for any of this content.
Louis should put together a "suite" list of his preferred/acceptable software. Better yet, put together a pre-built with the open source software installed and a donation built into the price and an optional subscription to support the software.