Before our metal roof went on, I noticed our Grace I/W Shield had been blown up in spots from the wind. Is that normal, or does that mean the install job was done poorly or incorrectly? It did look like the release paper was removed, so I'm not sure if this is normal or the crew just didn't smooth it out well enough to get proper adherence. The sheathing is on is ZIP 5/8".
We had ice and water shield installed during 50 degree day. Then it rained and water leaked through at OSB seams. Do you think it's an ice and water shield issue? Did it not adhere? Can it re adhere on some warmer days? Or does it have to be replaced?
Heads up this 225 SF only covers 200 SF, either they shorted me or they don't mention the laps, tape measure doesn't lie , now I got to go buy another roll just for 5 feet of coverage 😡
The staples barely hold but that's the least of your problem installing , if this stuff sticks to itself it's game over. They don't stress that in the factory videos. If the sticky parts touch you may need to cut it out and trash it. I was lucky and barely got an edge stuck to itself and didn't lose any material . I don't recommend single man install at this price you can't afford to lose an inch
@@davidmiller637 Before our metal roof went on, I noticed our Grace I/W Shield had been blown up in spots from the wind (maybe a 20 mph wind for the night). Is that normal, or does that mean the install job was done poorly or incorrectly? It did look like the release paper was removed, so I'm not sure if this is normal or the crew just didn't smooth it out well enough to get proper adherence. The sheathing is on is ZIP 5/8". Thanks for sharing any thoughts here.
We used Grace Ice & Water Shield on the entire roof. Then Tiger Paw paper. THEN Malarkey 50 yr Shingles. We'll never have a leak in my life time. & Here's the entire story why I did that. Nothing is more expensive than a bad roof. Our first roof was originally $10k. But the roofer left us with a roof which needed $4,500 in repairs. Then the roofer took us to court stating we were trying to steal from him. HA! it didn't work. Then I discovered the roofer had not allowed my fiancé to pay a deposit. So the claim through the Calif State Licensing Board was denied on a technicality. Because there was no financial loss. No Deposit = No Loss ... Even though he was billing us $10k. Then the roofer took it to Supreme Court instead of small claims when we demanded he fix the roof to make it correct. Then litigated this for 2 years. In the end we were forced to settle out of court for fear of having to pay $50k in court fees to defend ourselves. We had an attorney step in upon the 2nd year. She advised us to settle for $7,500 & then pay her $6,000 so we didn't end up with $50k in Supreme Court case fees. BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE. That roofer filed a second claim asking for $31,000 in attorney fees. It was denied. That was our only moment of justice. THE GOOD NEWS IS ........... ............................................... RESEARCH PAID OFF BY NOTICING OTHER ............................................... ISSUES WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS: - We discovered there was not enough air flow in our attic. .........We resolved this........we had to add 20 Soffit Vents & 2 Attic Vent Fans. - Electrical inspection revealed faulty wiring in our attic & we fixed it. - Discovered more dry-rot in our attic roof + chimney closet. We fixed it. - Discovered we needed to increase insulation from R5 to R50. + We added a cat walk to our attic for easy access Only $200. + We added lighting in our attic $75. + We added a 2nd Attic fan. + We replaced 2 new bathroom fans. More powerful "whisper quiet" motors. + We added 2 house vent fans (to get rid of hot air in summer & odors). + We added $400 in structural Hurricane Ties to the rafters of our roof which helps protect us in an earthquake. + We added 4 sun tunnels in rooms where there is no sun light. WHEN IT CAME FOR THE NEW 2nd ROOF. - We stripped off the inferior roofing to expose all dry rot. - We repaired all dry rot. - We replaced all the plywood "in the eves" with 1 inch Ply. - We added a 1/2 plywood to the rest of the roof. Entire roof is now level. - All new wood in the Eaves & Fascia and Trim received 2 coats of prime & 2 coats of paint prior to installing (all 6 sides). - Added a layer of Grace Brand "Ice and Water shield" gutter to gutter. ............This made our roof water tight UNDER the Roofing Shingles. ............This also gave each shingle nail a water tight gasket. ............This also increased the tinsel strength in lateral roof movement. - We Upgraded to roofing shingles by Malarkey Brand [Legacy shingles]. ....This 50 Year Shingle will protect the water barrier created BY "Grace" Brand. - Ice and water shield" 50-100 yrs. LASTLY we upgraded by blowing in additional R45 insulation in the attic. ----- Our old roof was a total loss. $7,500 settlement + $6,000 attorney fee. ----- The New roof is far superior in every aspect & lengthened the life expectancy by more than double. See the "+" above + Sun tunnels in 4 rooms gave us sunlight in rooms which were previously dark. + Insulation cut our power bill in half. The modifications and new roof cost around $27,000 .... & worth every penny of it. HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT YOU? [a] - Have a "Termite inspector" review your entire structure before you start. WHY?... You can then present it to your roofing contractor and window contractor before they start. If they miss anything? they pay for it =Not you. [b] - Replace all the plywood "in the eves" with 1 inch Ply. - Add a 1/2 plywood to the rest of the roof (Makes eves and roof level) - All new wood in the Eaves & Fascia and Trim received 2 coats of prime & 2 coats of paint prior to installing (all 6 sides). Any cuts @installation need to be primed. [c] Added a layer of Grace Brand "Ice and Water shield" gutter to gutter. ............This makes your roof water tight UNDER the Roofing Shingles. ............This also gives each shingle nail a water tight gasket. ............This also increased the tinsel strength in lateral roof movement. & Look again at all the "+" above .... They benefit us every day. ...BONUS... it preps your home for solar in the future. Leaking will almost be impossible. AND, we welcome any one to contact us to take a tour so they can also have a roof that will last 50-100 years. & FYI .... The 2nd roof was installed by Straight-Up roofing from Antioch, CA. Derrick is Fantastic. .
I hope for your sake they put either felt/tar paper underlayment or synthetic underlayment between the ice & water and your shingles. If you every need to remove a few shingles to repair damage from a limb or hail damage and your shingles were installed on top of the I&W(without underlayment between), you won't be able to remove the shingles to perform what would have been a simple and easy fix without major grief. Been there, done that. No way you are going to get 50-100 years from your roof, but believe what you want, you will anyway. Good luck.
Before our metal roof went on, I noticed our Grace I/W Shield had been blown up in spots from the wind. Is that normal, or does that mean the install job was done poorly or incorrectly? It did look like the release paper was removed, so I'm not sure if this is normal or the crew just didn't smooth it out well enough to get proper adherence. The sheathing is on is ZIP 5/8".
We had ice and water shield installed during 50 degree day. Then it rained and water leaked through at OSB seams. Do you think it's an ice and water shield issue? Did it not adhere? Can it re adhere on some warmer days? Or does it have to be replaced?
what happens when you get to the peak?
On my roof we ran the Ice & Water protection from the gutter to the ridge vent & around the corner edge
Heads up this 225 SF only covers 200 SF, either they shorted me or they don't mention the laps, tape measure doesn't lie , now I got to go buy another roll just for 5 feet of coverage 😡
Wow ... sounds to me like some one returned a role with less material and you were the lucky one buy it. SORRY Dude. We had no problems on our roof.
Can I use staples?
The staples barely hold but that's the least of your problem installing , if this stuff sticks to itself it's game over. They don't stress that in the factory videos. If the sticky parts touch you may need to cut it out and trash it. I was lucky and barely got an edge stuck to itself and didn't lose any material . I don't recommend single man install at this price you can't afford to lose an inch
no sir!!! th-cam.com/video/RtGtCNghQhk/w-d-xo.html & Use Malarkey Shingles!!!!! increases your roof from 35 years to way over 50.
@@davidmiller637 Before our metal roof went on, I noticed our Grace I/W Shield had been blown up in spots from the wind (maybe a 20 mph wind for the night). Is that normal, or does that mean the install job was done poorly or incorrectly? It did look like the release paper was removed, so I'm not sure if this is normal or the crew just didn't smooth it out well enough to get proper adherence. The sheathing is on is ZIP 5/8". Thanks for sharing any thoughts here.
We used Grace Ice & Water Shield on the entire roof. Then Tiger Paw paper. THEN Malarkey 50 yr Shingles. We'll never have a leak in my life time.
& Here's the entire story why I did that.
Nothing is more expensive than a bad roof. Our first roof was originally $10k. But the roofer left us with a roof which needed $4,500 in repairs. Then the roofer took us to court stating we were trying to steal from him. HA! it didn't work.
Then I discovered the roofer had not allowed my fiancé to pay a deposit. So the claim through the Calif State Licensing Board was denied on a technicality. Because there was no financial loss. No Deposit = No Loss ... Even though he was billing us $10k.
Then the roofer took it to Supreme Court instead of small claims when we demanded he fix the roof to make it correct. Then litigated this for 2 years. In the end we were forced to settle out of court for fear of having to pay $50k in court fees to defend ourselves. We had an attorney step in upon the 2nd year. She advised us to settle for $7,500 & then pay her $6,000 so we didn't end up with $50k in Supreme Court case fees. BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE. That roofer filed a second claim asking for $31,000 in attorney fees. It was denied. That was our only moment of justice.
THE GOOD NEWS IS ...........
............................................... RESEARCH PAID OFF BY NOTICING OTHER
............................................... ISSUES WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS:
- We discovered there was not enough air flow in our attic.
.........We resolved this........we had to add 20 Soffit Vents & 2 Attic Vent Fans.
- Electrical inspection revealed faulty wiring in our attic & we fixed it.
- Discovered more dry-rot in our attic roof + chimney closet. We fixed it.
- Discovered we needed to increase insulation from R5 to R50.
+ We added a cat walk to our attic for easy access Only $200.
+ We added lighting in our attic $75.
+ We added a 2nd Attic fan.
+ We replaced 2 new bathroom fans. More powerful "whisper quiet" motors.
+ We added 2 house vent fans (to get rid of hot air in summer & odors).
+ We added $400 in structural Hurricane Ties to the rafters of our roof which helps protect us in an earthquake.
+ We added 4 sun tunnels in rooms where there is no sun light.
WHEN IT CAME FOR THE NEW 2nd ROOF.
- We stripped off the inferior roofing to expose all dry rot.
- We repaired all dry rot.
- We replaced all the plywood "in the eves" with 1 inch Ply.
- We added a 1/2 plywood to the rest of the roof. Entire roof is now level.
- All new wood in the Eaves & Fascia and Trim received 2 coats of prime & 2 coats of paint prior to installing (all 6 sides).
- Added a layer of Grace Brand "Ice and Water shield" gutter to gutter.
............This made our roof water tight UNDER the Roofing Shingles.
............This also gave each shingle nail a water tight gasket.
............This also increased the tinsel strength in lateral roof movement.
- We Upgraded to roofing shingles by Malarkey Brand [Legacy shingles]. ....This 50 Year Shingle will protect the water barrier created BY "Grace" Brand.
- Ice and water shield" 50-100 yrs.
LASTLY we upgraded by blowing in additional R45 insulation in the attic.
----- Our old roof was a total loss. $7,500 settlement + $6,000 attorney fee.
----- The New roof is far superior in every aspect & lengthened the life expectancy by more than double. See the "+" above
+ Sun tunnels in 4 rooms gave us sunlight in rooms which were previously dark.
+ Insulation cut our power bill in half.
The modifications and new roof cost around $27,000 .... & worth every penny of it.
HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT YOU?
[a] - Have a "Termite inspector" review your entire structure before you start. WHY?... You can then present it to your roofing contractor and window contractor before they start. If they miss anything? they pay for it =Not you.
[b] - Replace all the plywood "in the eves" with 1 inch Ply. - Add a 1/2 plywood to the rest of the roof (Makes eves and roof level) - All new wood in the Eaves & Fascia and Trim received 2 coats of prime & 2 coats of paint prior to installing (all 6 sides). Any cuts @installation need to be primed.
[c] Added a layer of Grace Brand "Ice and Water shield" gutter to gutter.
............This makes your roof water tight UNDER the Roofing Shingles.
............This also gives each shingle nail a water tight gasket.
............This also increased the tinsel strength in lateral roof movement.
& Look again at all the "+" above .... They benefit us every day.
...BONUS... it preps your home for solar in the future. Leaking will almost be impossible. AND, we welcome any one to contact us to take a tour so they can also have a roof that will last 50-100 years.
& FYI .... The 2nd roof was installed by Straight-Up roofing from Antioch, CA. Derrick is Fantastic.
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Every single Grace video I see this comment 😆
Like I am always telling my wife, "want a home built right: you have to Build IT YOURSELF"!
I hope for your sake they put either felt/tar paper underlayment or synthetic underlayment between the ice & water and your shingles. If you every need to remove a few shingles to repair damage from a limb or hail damage and your shingles were installed on top of the I&W(without underlayment between), you won't be able to remove the shingles to perform what would have been a simple and easy fix without major grief. Been there, done that. No way you are going to get 50-100 years from your roof, but believe what you want, you will anyway. Good luck.
@@rickl6697 LOL we used Tiger Paw Paper in between.