The Never Widely Released Update For Super Smash Bros. Melee

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  • This video will be showing off every buff, nerf and change in the PAL version of Melee.
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  • @ZachHonest
    @ZachHonest  ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The editing took me a minute on this one (it was worth it tho), Thank you guys for supporting the content, I do this for you guys, so enjoy!!
    Also Yea, Yoshi got buffed, I know right. crazy
    cough cough* Patreon Down Below too, a Melee Donkey Kong Video will be on there...

  • @Nikkerman
    @Nikkerman ปีที่แล้ว +65

    There's an alternate reality where pal is the main game and AMSA is the GOAT having won the most tournaments ever

  • @SonicTheCutehog
    @SonicTheCutehog ปีที่แล้ว +24

    The funniest thing is Brawl (the game that needed balance patches the most) was the only Smash game to not receive balance changes due to the addition of online play and Wii games being unable to receive patches.

    • @pepekong
      @pepekong ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I remember something about Skyward Sword having a bug that deleted saves and there was some sort of update for it, don't know if that counts.

    • @SonicTheCutehog
      @SonicTheCutehog ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pepekong It was an entire channel called the "Skyward Sword Save Update" Channel that would patch the bug if it happened since they couldn't manually patch Wii games.

  • @the_bookworm8281
    @the_bookworm8281 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The changes to PAL version is a rather interesting case study. Theoretically it seems better to pick the version of the game that buffs with bottom two (Kirby, Bowser), nerfs the top tiers, and gives out numerous bug fixes, which all denotes a better balanced and polished game. However since the overall game balance ended up barely changing at all, and Melee's meta is very centralized around the top tiers to the point where most of the Melee playerbase mains them, most of the playerbase will end up playing a less fun version of their character while the overall game balance remains fairly identical, which ends up making the switch to PAL not very worth it.
    There are two interesting tidbits about the PAL version of Melee related to future games:
    1) Mario's weight got nerfed from 100 -> 98 in the PAL version of the game. However the interesting thing about this is that Mario's weight in every single Smash game after Melee, which is still the case to this day with Ultimate, remains at 98.
    2) The late hit of Falco's down air having the spike/meteor smash removed is funnily enough completely retained for Falco's down air in Brawl.

    • @ZachHonest
      @ZachHonest  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Good points I didn't know Mario kept the same weight every game lol. 98 is Mario's lucky number

  • @DylanYoshi
    @DylanYoshi ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good to know that Smash's balance patch philosophy hasn't changed since 2002.

  • @davidvkimball
    @davidvkimball ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ganon's double jab with bunny hood was fixed in 1.02, not PAL.

  • @THP22342
    @THP22342 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    bro the editing is so good on this, jeeeeezz honest

    • @JDLupus
      @JDLupus ปีที่แล้ว +2

      SS-tier video creator.

  • @jameslisterthemarthplayer8322
    @jameslisterthemarthplayer8322 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As someone who plays the PAL version, my main in Melee is Marth, despite his nerfs in the PAL version. Though they don’t nerf him too much.

  • @VinnytotheK
    @VinnytotheK ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Marth's poor downair :(

  • @Monhamd1000
    @Monhamd1000 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The PAL Melee was the early Brawl to me.

  • @StanleySophana
    @StanleySophana ปีที่แล้ว +8

    aMSa could've become better if PAL Yoshi was in NTSC

  • @morphball2314
    @morphball2314 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The reason people play the NTSC version is because that's what they are used to.

  • @nikc101
    @nikc101 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Kirby’s changes here are equivalent to smash ult patches, mostly - good things but fail to address the point

  • @TheGinggercat
    @TheGinggercat ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This has now made me realise why I'm not a fan of melee, it all makes sense, power of Britain 🇬🇧

  • @isucc724
    @isucc724 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    if you need another example of people not moving onto a new version of their game, you also have street fighter 2
    HD remix and the final challengers are there but people still play super turbo

    • @theobserver4214
      @theobserver4214 ปีที่แล้ว

      The problem is both new versions have several flaws in them that ST doesn’t have.

  • @Telcontar86
    @Telcontar86 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Falco's pillar combos are harder to do and you have to time his dair? Sheik can't down throw most of the cast into oblivion?
    Oh no! Anyways

  • @eddiestilll
    @eddiestilll ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i wonder how diff the game felt when EU competitors came to NA and played on quite a diff game...

  • @andrescube64
    @andrescube64 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder why most high tiers are really light?

  • @Flare8295
    @Flare8295 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the Ice Climbers on Fire glitch?

  • @MeesterTweester
    @MeesterTweester ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine if they rerelease Melee and it's only the PAL version

  • @legendarysoil1064
    @legendarysoil1064 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Bloom4eva is one of my favourite top players. His mii brawler/bayonetta mix is a pretty unique and cool character mashup to use

  • @youngleydelton-of1nv
    @youngleydelton-of1nv ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Kool

  • @jameslisterthemarthplayer8322
    @jameslisterthemarthplayer8322 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Also, should I mention that despite his nerfs, Marth is theoretically superior in the PAL version of Melee, but not many PAL players main Marth, and I’m one of those few PAL region Marth mains.

  • @Flare8295
    @Flare8295 ปีที่แล้ว

    Given that you brought it up I do indeed like the sound of your voice

  • @equinox3861
    @equinox3861 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This video is misleading because several of those changes are in NTSC 1.02 (the standard in NA) and stayed the same in the PAL version.

  • @E-Brightvoid
    @E-Brightvoid ปีที่แล้ว

    Sad Luigi noises

  • @SquattingxBear
    @SquattingxBear ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If you think about it, Melee has had many updates over it's lifespan:
    V1.00
    V1.01
    V1.02
    PAL
    SD Remix
    Anther's
    20XX TE
    UCF
    Akaneia
    Uncle Punch
    Slippi
    Final Melee 1.03

    • @Brob2nd
      @Brob2nd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What's Anther's?

  • @dreadedpatrick9876
    @dreadedpatrick9876 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    keep the nerfs to the characters in top 5 and i'll sell my soul to this game

  • @potatostuffing5643
    @potatostuffing5643 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I kind of wish that they went with another PAL version that buffed characters like Roy or Link or many others while nerfing more good characters while removing more game breaking stuff.

    • @lapplandkun9273
      @lapplandkun9273 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or just make a patch that buffs all the low tiers and remove the glitches like the freeze glitch or invisible ceiling

  • @legbot124
    @legbot124 ปีที่แล้ว

    aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi

  • @Lagoon7
    @Lagoon7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    we need pal but only for fox, Kirby, bowser

  • @jamalsherefjr6572
    @jamalsherefjr6572 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    you forgot about puff. she got no changes all.

    • @emilyharrison5109
      @emilyharrison5109 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I mean I wouldn't say "he forgot" why list a character that got no changes. He didn't list Luigi either, but theres no point of mentioning that, they just got no changes.

    • @jamalsherefjr6572
      @jamalsherefjr6572 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@emilyharrison5109 yea true

  • @HeDronHeDronHedron
    @HeDronHeDronHedron 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Melee: Sibling 1 gets a cookie, and sibling 2 gets nothing
    Pal: Sibling 1 gets nothing as well. Problem solved!
    Pal players: what is wrong with this balance patch why not played?

  • @sophietwilight5051
    @sophietwilight5051 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    always wondered why not PAL. but hearing the changes outside of Fox. this actually makes the game seem less fun for everyone besides Yoshi players.

  • @beanpotatoreviews184
    @beanpotatoreviews184 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Is this real?

    • @VinnytotheK
      @VinnytotheK ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes just like the One Piece, this is real!

    • @SS2Balls
      @SS2Balls ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@VinnytotheK 😱😱😱

    • @ZachHonest
      @ZachHonest  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No this fake

  • @X-zz6jm
    @X-zz6jm ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Why Ganondorf? Of all people, why nerf Ganondorf? And why the heck did they decide to buff that annoying green dinosaur of all people? This fat green animal has super armor in his 2nd jump! He's already eating at the buffet! And they decide to feed him more.

    • @SuperShado101
      @SuperShado101 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ganon is op for casuals lol. basically a more usable falcon

  • @campapi
    @campapi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you gotta stop saying "base knockback growth" when talking about base knockback, it's like the opposite of what base knockback is.
    Knockback growth (KBG) is how much a move's knockback scales with %. Base knockback (BKB) is how far the move sends at 0%. Adding "growth" to base knockback is like mixing the two and doesn't make sense
    good video altogether tho, this just bugged me lol

  • @fleetforall
    @fleetforall ปีที่แล้ว

    I honestly dislike melee, but it looks fun.

  • @Honeybread-ox5ho
    @Honeybread-ox5ho ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Repent and trust in Jesus you will be saved

  • @Agent7300
    @Agent7300 ปีที่แล้ว

    PAL sucks. so glad its not what we play.