Sam, I just have to say that you are the best model railway viewer I have ever watched! Kudos to you for your wonderful layout and your fans who love you so so much. Don't ever stop making videos! - Liam
Steam locos did indeed have overhead warning plates on them during the BR era. Pretty sure at one point, earlier or later (presumably earlier), steam loco cab sides had a diagonal line painted on them which indicated they should not work in areas with overhead lines. Something in the back of my mid says it was, broadly speaking, north of Birmingham.
Electrification warning plates were first fitted in the summer of 1960,Yellow diagonal cabside stripes were applied to some classes of loco from about August 1964,and were painted on at their home sheds,Coronations,Jubilees,rebuilt Patriots,Scots and 4F0.6.0sbeing notable.
One of these stopped for water under a footbridge near where I lived to take on water and I got to see the cab detail up close. It had prominent computer equipment for the Train Protection Warning System. The electricity warning signs on the model are from the steam era. Preservation era warning signs are yellow and triangular.
Hi Sam I have an older one of these and bought it second hand, mine seems to not have the pacing issues and runs nicely at 50%. The only problem with mine is it details on a curved point. Excellent review as always
Hiya Sam... overhead warning flashes were in place before the engines were withdrawn. They began to appear in the mid-fifties for locos traversing the Woodhead and GER routes, and from then in general from the early 1960's.
If I remember correctly, just yesterday, I saw this loco on another vid titled "Bachmann vs Hornby: What are the differences" or something like that and thought it looked really pretty. Nice to see a review of it XD
We really take you for granted Sam. I saw another channel for an O gauge review (first time I’ve watched anybody else in a while), and I felt like I always used to before I found your channel.. unworthy of casually enjoying trains. Most reviewers are older guys with thousands of dollars worth of insane layouts who make me feel like a child that never knows as much as they do, and hence shouldn’t even bother. I couldn’t watch it for more than 2 minutes. Just letting you know you really are the best m8!
@@SamsTrains Bachmann do a lovely one in just that condition. (31-227, which is LMS No. 6112 Sherwood Forester). Older model these days but still lovely.
Hey Sam! Interesting review of the Hornby Rebuilt Royal Scot. I agree with your reservations about the RRP, if it was assembled with just a bit more care, that might make it a little more reasonable! It’s still a lovely model though, as long as you’re not paying £170 for great blobs of glue everywhere! 🤣🤣 My dad has one of the old Mainline models in LMS lined black as 6115 Scots Guardsman. No idea how its’ mechanism has aged, since it hasn’t been run in at least 16 years! A note about the overhead warning flashes: the prototype of yours was scrapped by BR, but it was withdrawn after the WCML electrification project had been completed and energized between Crewe, Manchester & Liverpool. At that time BR was still running many steam locos through the electrified sections, so your model depicts it in the last few years of it’s life, before withdrawal & scrapping!
Thanks a lot Ewan, for sure - if it was better quality, I would have given it a better value score, no doubt about it! Thanks a lot for sharing, appreciate all the info! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This one would greatly benefits from getting a decoder as Voltage drop is not an issue on DCC. Rails always have the same voltage, it is the decoder in the loco assing the power to the motor.
Hello Sam. I have one of these very locos which I bought new at the usual discounted price. It's great, with no quality problems, and it runs perfectly - looks great on an 8-coach mail train. I have to say that I think the reason you paid just under £100 for yours is because it is a damaged model, and therefore reduced in price. By the way, I know the whistle looks odd, but it's supposed to be flat on top of the firebox to stay within the loading gauge. Your TH-cam channel is the best, Sam - I watch all your reviews and really enjoy your humorous videos. Keep up the good work!
Thanks a lot for sharing - great to hear yours was good! Nope - that's not the reason - I don't buy damaged models, I buy them brand new. Retailers do not sell brand new damaged models! Yes, the whistle is supposed to be flat! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I agree with your comment regarding quality control. There have been so many models from different manufacturers reviewed with assembly and running issues this year and it's not just on your channel as I have seen people sending back the Hattons class 66 models back due to the axle hub caps falling off and other issues. The manufacturers need to improve this especially when they are charging a average of £70-£300 for high quality fully detailed models.
Thanks Ben - absolutely - there's too much of this about for my liking! Yes I've heard about the 66 issues too - a real pity, as their production samples were epic :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think the warning signs are from the 60s Sam . You do find a lot of locos even A4s had them latterly . Modern ones in preservation are actually a different design with yellow on them . Fair point on assembly issues . The RRP is a function of what they think people will pay for it rather than what it costs to make or tooling costs written off . In Hornby eyes they think the price for an express steam loco is £170 .
WHY ARE YOU NOT AT 100K YET?! also i really like the royal scots.they have so much character with that big firebox and those unique smoke deflectors. anither great review!
I paid £85 for my new Heljan class 52 about 14 years ago and it is a superb runner. I refuse to pay more than £100 today for the same model. I got the West Country class Padstow for £80 new. It is taking the urine when high prices are being charged for a substandard model by what can be achieved today with technology. We need Dapol, Oxford Rail and Silver Fox models to start building locos with everything on them. I don't mind paying near Hornby and Bachmann prices if they are the best that can be made with new tech. We need to send a message to the big boys. 🚂
Impressive model. I have a real soft spot for the Royal Scots and Patriots. I have a Patriot, 45512 "Bunsen", but it needs a new DCC chip, the old one gave up. Great review and keep up the fantastic work. Dan.
The modern mainline warning stickers (seen on preserved locos on the mainline) are slightly to the ones use in the 60s as per this model. The modern ones are a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark in the centre, whereas the ones from the 60s were a red lightning flash. You might be able to spot this on your models if you have a preserved 6201 or Tornado, for example.
I have a bachmann split chassis rebuilt and unrebuilt royal scot, both yet to be converted to have tender mounted 8 pin dcc sockets, but they run well (the unrebuilt one requires new smoke deflectors and a safety valve, as I got it cheap). I have the same bachmann unrebuilt patriot as you, but I have a hornby rebuilt patriot which is near identical to this (45545 Planet, not to be confused with one of my black 5s, 45455). I believe Planet has a loco mounted dcc socket, but I haven't run it in a while so I can't remember. Its a good runner (I don't think it runs as fast as this rebuilt royal scot), and well detailed. I haven't noticed any badly fitted parts such as your Ranger has. BR actually electrified the WCML from Euston to Crewe in the 50s, with steam locos too tall to run under the wires painted with a yellow cabside stripe. So yeah, the warning flashes are accurate for a late BR era loco. (Plus, from the mid 90s onwards, it would've been a reflective yellow triangle on the white background, so this earlier style is correct.) Screw link, not chain link coupling. I do think the price is too high for this model, but I bet the rebuilt merchant navy in their current range is still the same tooling as the original release (albeit 8 pin dcc ready, rather than just DC) yet it is more expensive than this.
Thanks a lot for sharing Lapis - that's very useful info! And duly noted on the warning signs - any idea when they started being used?? Thanks for watching, Sam :)
We’ve had Royal Scott No 46100 come to visit South Wales occasionally, at Cardiff Central, accompanied by a couple of other engine. Plus, someone who is friends with one of my friends took a photo of No. 46100 in North Wales.
The rebuilt Patriots, Jubilees and Royal Scots all shared the same boiler and are basically the same locomotive with manner difference in the cab and frame details. The difference was with the boiler pressure. The Royal Scots had a higher boiler pressure than the Patriots and Jubilees so they had more traction force. Luckily my Royal Scot did not have any of the issues that you experienced. It is a pretty good runner. I have the opposite problem with the controller that I use. I have to be above 30% before my models start to crawl.
@@SamsTrains Thanks for producing these videos. If it were not for your videos I may have not gotten into collecting British steam locomotives. You have been a great source of information and have been a great help in understanding and setting up these models. As I live in the US and have never seen these models before. Thanks for all your work.
Apparently it was a 2017 release, which might have been at the tail end of Hornby’s factory woes. The mechanism shows its age. The overhead warning flashes are appropriate, the WCML was electrified starting in 1959, so they would have had the signs added as it was allocated to Crewe which is where they started the electrification.
Yes the GWR Castle did very well on its trial, in fact the LMS were so impressed with its performance that they actually ordered a whole batch of Castles from the GWR along with an entire set of drawings, obviously this came to nothing and they opted for the Royal Scots instead, great review as usual. I really didn’t expect so many faults with the build quality. Also This loco The Ranger isn’t preserved.
Thanks Callum - yeah so I hear - I can't blame them for wanting their own version of the Castle! Yes you're right, no idea why I thought it was! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, here’s a technical challenge for manufacturers or engineers. Why don’t you invite someone to invent a gear reduction mechanism that could be retro fitted to locomotives such as the Royal Scot to get them to deliver more torque at realistic speeds under analogue control? Hopefully that would make them crawl better too...! Very best wishes, Adrian
@@SamsTrains Thanks Sam. I’m delighted you like that idea. I have quite a few little pocket rockets that would benefit from reduction gearing. Keep on doing what you’re doing. Very best wishes, Adrian
My royal scot is a project rebuild, i bought mine for £59 off ebay which is pretty chill, need some new numbering a splodge of paint luckily just black paint! And putting a new name plate on the right side
Great video as always. I did pick out something though. You said If the loco was in preservation loco. First of all only 46100 (royal Scot) and 46115 (Scots guardsman) were preserved. Second of all, the loco could have run on the West Coast Mainline south of Crewe due to there being no diagonal yellow stripe across the side of the cab, and that section of line was electrified in the late B.R period. Just thought I’d point that out, it’s a beautiful loco anyhow despite the somewhat careless assembly
Thanks so much Barnaby! Ahh that's interesting - I wonder why I thought that then? I don't think I ever read that it was preserved, that's a strange one! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'll have no money left by the time I've finished buying locos! Very nice, my brother has the original "paper boiler" Scott, it is in a bachmann presentation box. This looks amazing and the info is great to. Thanks and have a good one!
I have been reminded in the comments of the Mazak rot in the earlier models. Especially the important top worm gear cover that keeps the gears in mesh. No Hornby spares for the gearbox I believe, just a dead engine. Not clear when and if this was fixed.
Hi Sam, Re the overhead warnings, The West Coast route was electrified in the early 50's (1953 onwards) So it would have been perfectly acceptable for steam locos of that era to carry overhead warning flashes. Laterally, some steam locos carried a yellow diagonal bar on the cab sides to dictate that they could operate under the wires.
Thanks a lot for the info Boa! Yes I knew that, but I wasn't sure when the warning signs came into use - may not necessarily have been at the same time electrification was introduced! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I'd suspect that they were applied very quickly as the wires went up. We even used to get them on our old 400 series slammers, they ran on 3rd rail lol
Easiest way to tell the difference between the rebuilds and the originals is the boiler. The royal Scots were all rebuilt with tapered boilers compared to the parallel boiler they were originally built with might have something to do with the great western inspiration you mentioned ;)
Your first Royal Scot review was the Airfix tender drive version reviewed in September 2014. So a year before the Mainline split chassis loco drive version unboxing. Both these locos were made around 1978. How is the Airfix version running these days? Funny that Hornby now owns Airfix but some came to Hornby via Dapol. Hope you do not delete these older useful reference materials.
Thanks John - blimey I didn't know I'd done that! The Airfix one is a nasty piece of work - I don't think I've tried to run it for ages, it's literally falling to pieces! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I thought I knew what state it was likely to be in, but I was trying to be tactful. When new, the model Magazines praised it. This tells you a lot about the magazine's approach.
They're amazing locos Sam- I managed to get my Pete Waterman Collection model of 46100 "Royal Scot" a few years ago, and its absolutely sublime! Best bit was the price- only £80!!!!
They are amazing those Rebuilt Royal Scots (which the Hornby model is one, separate from the original parallel boiler version). I might get one but rename it to 46100 'Royal Scot'/'King's Dragoon Guardsman' herself. I also own the older Mainline version as No. 6115 'Scots Guardsman' in LMS Post War Black.
At 70 mph the real engine's driving wheels will be rotating at around 240 revs per minute. That is quite fast. Good review - these were fantastic engines. No. 46165 was withdrawn in November 1964 and sadly scrapped.
Thanks James, yeah I'd probably do the same! That's awesome - welcome mate! Be sure to check the community tab - there's a library of behind the scenes videos posted on there - might need to scroll back a bit! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Many thanks Sam. Lovely model but as you say pity about those quality issues. I do like the 'Scots' though and the Jubilees, Bahamas is my top steamer. Great review as always.
Love the royal scot model! I don’t know what it is about steam locomotives but they’re so cool! I’ve always been a personal fan of 2-6-0’s. Anyway nice video Sam! Thanks!
Scary to think how much hornby and Bachmann are asking this much for locomotives this old. And yet here I am dropping £320 on the Rapido Stirling Single! Fingers crossed that its good value for the money like my J70 and CN Royal Hudson.
I've found it on the Model Centre for a bit cheaper than Hattons if anyone wants to check it out. By the way, Sam, I've found they're really good for locos, they knock off a good bit of the price and they'll even customise it for you!
Once again thank you Sam for the video. As usual you know your onions. The Royal Scot locomotives are beautiful machines. I have in collection Airfix, GMR ,Bachmann and Hornby and it's really made me think. Once again thank you Sam. 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🚄🚄
Bit of info on these loco's the LMS crews actually use to nickname these engine's brutus because despite their size the were very powerful p.s the price is why i have always gone for pre-owned models
15:56 Is it just me or do I see the remains of a Bachmann Branch Line logo? The first loco you reviewed was a Mainline Royal Scot, while the first British OO gauge model I ever got was the tender of a Bachmann Royal Scot (it's the red one from the "Flying scot" set). The seller didn't have the loco or the matching coaches.
It does seem pretty decent if not for the ridiculous pricing; tooling is still 13 years old either way. They could've at least made it DCC and sound fitted for that. When you mention build quality. I actually wonder if how well the Royal Scots are put together varies from model to model; I admit I really cringed when I saw the red paint spattered on the Tender. It really shouldn't but I do wonder if there's an example of the exact same model where things were fitted more neatly.
Problem is if you put manufacturing in countries that have dodgy labour practises occasionally you will get a duff one. What happened to the factories at Maidstone where the company bus would pick the workers up.
The Scots, duchesses, princesses, 8fs and black 5s as well as many BR standards got those style warning flashes if there was overhead electrification in their region, some even had a yellow diagonal stripe to indicate that they shouldn’t work in certain areas because of the overhead cantenary. The modern warning flashes have the yellow triangle image on them as opposed to those on that model which are correct for the 1960s. Sadly that loco didn’t survive and only Royal Scot and Scots Guardsman made the preserved lists from their class.
I would say it would be fair at £115. Interesting you should mention the Hornby Dean Single. I ran mine for the first time today, after having sound added. I am astonished at it’s quality and running characteristics. No room for a stay alive though, and the Dean Single really does need one
Hi Sam, just a thought... You often have comment and criticism about model gearing - so as part of your review, how about including a measurement of scale speed at (say) 40, 50, 60, 80% of controller setting. Even better it you can find the original intended working speed of the loco being reviewed and comparing. You can measure the distance around your loop, so just time a few circuits and work out the average, after running in of course. Otherwise great review as always.
That's a very good idea! The only issue would be how much time that would take - I have to seriously think about the workflow before adding new features to my reviews! Great idea though, love it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A 2007 tooling, one year after the British Army's Royal Scots merged with other regiments to become the Royal Regiment of Scotland. I imagine the latter influenced the former. One of the things you haven't addressed that I find annoying with this model is that the coupling rods flop about like one of those nylon tube windsock characters (you know the ones I mean?)
Hi Sam what I have noticed over past reviews same with this one is that when you get a reduced price on a loco it has faults so does the price reflect the faults? Or do the seller know it is rejected stock? Normally rejected stock from the factory can be sold on cheaply to the employees not sure if it allowed to get through to the general public if so Quality Control not working.
I don't think so Michael - they couldn't sell rejected stock as new - I buy from trusted retailers, and I know that's not what they're doing... or I hope I do! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, this is an express loco - so high speed ! Even if it shows its design age it does the job. The real problem is: Quality Control.... if there is any. Or more likely 1 in 100 is reviewed... as was with cars in the old days. I have mixed feelings about this loco model. Not one I have on my wish list. Just bought another Maunsel S15 - the 4th on my roster since this series has motor problems ...but for 79,99£ ! Considering a replacement motor cost 29£ !! Fingers crossed. Nice review as usual - thanks! Greetings
My early example was so difficult to service. Worse than any I have for body removal and reversal. So many models are very difficult to get to the lubrication points with difficult body removal and being even harder to put it back without damage.
I have often wondered what happens to locos that are sent back to stockists for various reasons are they just put back on the shelf and sent back out again to another buyer at a cheaper price in the the hope they won’t be returned a second time? With so much dodgy looking glueing etc was the price reduced because it was classed as a second? I have had so many purchases that have had problems that sometimes I have thought is it worth continuing with the hobby the quality control at some of these factories seems to be non existent considering the prices charged is nothing short of daylight robbery. Good review as usual Sam.
I'd seriously hope not - they'd have to be listed as second hand. Retailers should be returning them to the manufacturer. You are right though, there are a lot of quality problems about!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice loco you got Sam. I think that the whistle are fitted correctly just went to hattons and all three locos has the exact the same whistle asembely. I like the green color and it is stunning and it fits the loco prefect. Keep up the good work Sam. :) :) :)
@@SamsTrains you are welcome. I did som digging about mehano and yes they are still in operation in Slovenia. And yes el chepos western train is still in production. How ever the loco on ther wbb page witch is included in the western set has only clear yellow plasic Inserts but did not see any leds or light bulbs behind the plastic inserts. Keep the good work as always Sam. 👍👍👍😊😊😊👍👍👍
I agree that it is over-priced for a model this age. The Rebuilt or taper Scot, as they were referred to, were virtually a new engine. The cab and wheel sets were retained but the cylinders and frames (but not stretchers) were replaced as well as the the boiler. The original Royal Scot had resulted from the loan of Launceston Castle by the operating department. The LMS had requested the GWR build Castles for them, which they declined and also declined to supply drawings. The Southern did supply drawings of the Lord Nelsons but the main work was carried out by the North British Company in conjunction with the Derby Drawing Office under Herbert Chambers (the cab and firebox was influenced by the Nelsons). The original Scots were not a copy of the Nelsons, they were a three cylinder locomotive whereas the Nelsons were 4 and they already had good design of outside Walschaerts valve gear as used on Hughes Crab and 2-6-4 tank and high superheat used in the boiler (this may have been based on Big Bertha Midland's 0-10-0 Lickey banker. The Scots were highly successful and fulfilled the immediate need although were replaced on the top link by the Lizzies (Princesses, which lacked some of the oomph due to lower superheat). Due to high cylinder wear the decision was made to re-build them, but the final one was not re-built till the mid 1950s. Due to war time restrictions, the LMS could not build any new passenger locomotives but only mixed traffic and freight engines but was allowed to re-build locomotives especially if existing parts were used (boiler). The re-build produced an almost new engine, which rejuvenated the original. The LMS had already used the boiler on the turbine loco Fury and on 2 Jubilees, so the boiler was well proven. The rebuilt Scot put up a good performance against the pacifics, King and Castles on the 1948 interchange trials.
Good info Don except that Fury was not a turbine but a high pressure experimental loco that after a fatal explosion was rebuilt to 6170. 6170 could be thought of as the prototype of the re built Royal Scots. The LMS turbine was a Pacific.
hello sam I think the royal scots are some of the best 4-6-0s that the LMS ever built and i might get one for myself one day and i love the BR green this loco is is and i think this model should go for about 100 euro to 110 euro and love the video from david
The way the quality was presented I would expect something like this from Heljan I would have said. If the tooling was released in 2007 it wouldn’t have hurt to retool it or at least give a better mechanism especially for a 2020 pricing.
haha not quite Heljan's quality, but definitely not up to Hornby's usual standard! Yeah the pricing is questionable, but it would have been perfectly acceptable if it'd been built properly! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yep - that's a total failure of the instruction manual unfortunately - they'd be well within their rights to return the model, as it would not be the customer's fault! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam. This review was awesome and despite the issues with assembly of the loco, I think it’s a great looking model. I need help with deciding which loco to get. I have three lined up which is:The royal Scot, The Raven Q6 and The Black 5 but I don’t know which one to get, which would you recommend? Thx-Cal :)
Thanks so much - really glad you liked the review anyway! I think of those the Q6 is probably the best model, but you'd need to pay less than £100 for it to be worthwhile! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SheffieldNo14Productions well a lot of people know Flying Scotsman for those two records as being the most well known and it did travel without stopping from London to Edinburgh
rebuilt scots have a tapered boiler, are you gonna do a comparison between all the scots ever produced, including the Airfix, Mainline, Bachmann and hornby versions
That middle driving wheel slipping whenever it starts in a new direction bugs me. I'm not sure what would cause that, but it seems like something is loose or out of spec. It's weird, and it doesn't seem to affect performance... it just bugs me, haha.
The slop in the motion would put me off immediately. The way the centre driving axle sets off before the others and means the side rods aren’t straight is a deal breaker for me. Maybe this is one of those models from Hornby’s unhappier times.
Since 2007 when Hornby released their first Royal Scot class five of the versions released since then have suffered from Mazak rot . I have one of these and the chassis when I investigated why the gears weren’t engaging broke in half and of Hornby showed no interest as usual . By sheer luck last year I saw that Peters Spares had their own replacement chassis made so I was able to rebuild my Scot and it now running again but no thanks to Hornby. The model you have came out in 2017 and probably not sold out because it’s well known about the previous models mazak issues and experienced modellers won’t go near them .
Oh dear - I wasn't aware that these suffered with that too! I'm told mine was made in 2017, I'd dearly hope they would have fixed the issue since then. You may be right though - that could definitely explain poor sales! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam, I just have to say that you are the best model railway viewer I have ever watched! Kudos to you for your wonderful layout and your fans who love you so so much. Don't ever stop making videos! - Liam
Awhh thanks so much Liam, that's so kind of you :3
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The overhead wire warnings are from the BR era, as some lines they ran on did have overhead wires installed
Steam locos did indeed have overhead warning plates on them during the BR era. Pretty sure at one point, earlier or later (presumably earlier), steam loco cab sides had a diagonal line painted on them which indicated they should not work in areas with overhead lines. Something in the back of my mid says it was, broadly speaking, north of Birmingham.
@@MisterHampshire the diagonal line was added later I think, indicating they weren't allowed south of Crewe on the electrified lines
Also, The Ranger is not one of the preserved examples.
Many thanks for the info, I wasn't sure at all about that one!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Electrification warning plates were first fitted in the summer of 1960,Yellow diagonal cabside stripes were applied to some classes of loco from about August 1964,and were
painted on at their home sheds,Coronations,Jubilees,rebuilt Patriots,Scots and 4F0.6.0sbeing notable.
6:18 I think the whistle is smelling your hand right now to make sure you washed your hands! 😂
haha that makes sense actually!! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Beautiful model Sam! It’s great that 2 examples have been preserved!
Thanks so much Ryno, it certainly is! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
One of these stopped for water under a footbridge near where I lived to take on water and I got to see the cab detail up close. It had prominent computer equipment for the Train Protection Warning System. The electricity warning signs on the model are from the steam era. Preservation era warning signs are yellow and triangular.
That's very interesting - thanks a lot for sharing this!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
sam i think you are the only youtuber this big to respond to 90% of all comments.if your channel gets bigger please dont stop responding.
Bless you, it's a challenge but I love it! I'll do my best! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains good luck with that.
Hi Sam I have an older one of these and bought it second hand, mine seems to not have the pacing issues and runs nicely at 50%. The only problem with mine is it details on a curved point. Excellent review as always
Thanks for sharing John - interesting that yours is paced better! Strange about the derailing though?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hiya Sam... overhead warning flashes were in place before the engines were withdrawn. They began to appear in the mid-fifties for locos traversing the Woodhead and GER routes, and from then in general from the early 1960's.
If I remember correctly, just yesterday, I saw this loco on another vid titled "Bachmann vs Hornby: What are the differences" or something like that and thought it looked really pretty. Nice to see a review of it XD
Thank you! Was this in that video?!? I thought I filmed that one ages ago!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think it was in that vid but only as a website screenshot as part of the RRP comparison towards the end, and not on the layout
We really take you for granted Sam. I saw another channel for an O gauge review (first time I’ve watched anybody else in a while), and I felt like I always used to before I found your channel.. unworthy of casually enjoying trains. Most reviewers are older guys with thousands of dollars worth of insane layouts who make me feel like a child that never knows as much as they do, and hence shouldn’t even bother. I couldn’t watch it for more than 2 minutes. Just letting you know you really are the best m8!
That's very kind of you, thanks so much, that's such a lovely thing to read! Stay in touch mate! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great review Sam it looks like a very nice model I really like the look of these
Thanks David, yes they're not too bad at all! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Always loved the Royal Scot, although in it's original guise (parallel boiler, 3500gal tender, no smoke deflectors)
Me too Robert - yeah I reckon I'd prefer them without the deflectors too, in LMS livery probably!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Bachmann do a lovely one in just that condition. (31-227, which is LMS No. 6112 Sherwood Forester). Older model these days but still lovely.
Hey Sam!
Interesting review of the Hornby Rebuilt Royal Scot. I agree with your reservations about the RRP, if it was assembled with just a bit more care, that might make it a little more reasonable! It’s still a lovely model though, as long as you’re not paying £170 for great blobs of glue everywhere! 🤣🤣
My dad has one of the old Mainline models in LMS lined black as 6115 Scots Guardsman. No idea how its’ mechanism has aged, since it hasn’t been run in at least 16 years!
A note about the overhead warning flashes: the prototype of yours was scrapped by BR, but it was withdrawn after the WCML electrification project had been completed and energized between Crewe, Manchester & Liverpool. At that time BR was still running many steam locos through the electrified sections, so your model depicts it in the last few years of it’s life, before withdrawal & scrapping!
Thanks a lot Ewan, for sure - if it was better quality, I would have given it a better value score, no doubt about it! Thanks a lot for sharing, appreciate all the info! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This one would greatly benefits from getting a decoder as Voltage drop is not an issue on DCC. Rails always have the same voltage, it is the decoder in the loco assing the power to the motor.
Yes that's true, DCC would improve that aspect, but the torque issue wouldn't go away!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hello Sam. I have one of these very locos which I bought new at the usual discounted price. It's great, with no quality problems, and it runs perfectly - looks great on an 8-coach mail train. I have to say that I think the reason you paid just under £100 for yours is because it is a damaged model, and therefore reduced in price. By the way, I know the whistle looks odd, but it's supposed to be flat on top of the firebox to stay within the loading gauge.
Your TH-cam channel is the best, Sam - I watch all your reviews and really enjoy your humorous videos. Keep up the good work!
Thanks a lot for sharing - great to hear yours was good! Nope - that's not the reason - I don't buy damaged models, I buy them brand new. Retailers do not sell brand new damaged models! Yes, the whistle is supposed to be flat!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I agree with your comment regarding quality control. There have been so many models from different manufacturers reviewed with assembly and running issues this year and it's not just on your channel as I have seen people sending back the Hattons class 66 models back due to the axle hub caps falling off and other issues. The manufacturers need to improve this especially when they are charging a average of £70-£300 for high quality fully detailed models.
Thanks Ben - absolutely - there's too much of this about for my liking! Yes I've heard about the 66 issues too - a real pity, as their production samples were epic :(
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I think the warning signs are from the 60s Sam . You do find a lot of locos even A4s had them latterly . Modern ones in preservation are actually a different design with yellow on them . Fair point on assembly issues . The RRP is a function of what they think people will pay for it rather than what it costs to make or tooling costs written off . In Hornby eyes they think the price for an express steam loco is £170 .
Many thanks for the info Russell, appreciate it! :D
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amazing review as always, I wonder if you can make a video about your layout, specifically the detailed parts of it? I would love to see!
Thanks Marie - maybe that would be fun! :D
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Nice Royal Scot class review luckily two are preserved in the rebuilt condition that is Royal Scot no 46100 and also 46115 Scots Guardsman
Thanks a lot Terry - thanks for the info! :D
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I’m going to the North Yorkshire Moors Railway tomorrow to to ride on the Royal Scot. If it’s half as nice as the model, it’ll be a treat!
WHY ARE YOU NOT AT 100K YET?!
also i really like the royal scots.they have so much character with that big firebox and those unique smoke deflectors. anither great review!
haha slow and steady, lol! ;D
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I paid £85 for my new Heljan class 52 about 14 years ago and it is a superb runner. I refuse to pay more than £100 today for the same model. I got the West Country class Padstow for £80 new. It is taking the urine when high prices are being charged for a substandard model by what can be achieved today with technology. We need Dapol, Oxford Rail and Silver Fox models to start building locos with everything on them. I don't mind paying near Hornby and Bachmann prices if they are the best that can be made with new tech. We need to send a message to the big boys. 🚂
You getting so close to 100k subscribers! Keep up the great work Sam 👍
Thanks so much Benny!! :D
Impressive model. I have a real soft spot for the Royal Scots and Patriots. I have a Patriot, 45512 "Bunsen", but it needs a new DCC chip, the old one gave up. Great review and keep up the fantastic work. Dan.
Thank you! I can see why - they are lovely aren't they? Good luck getting your Patriot up and running again! :D
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The modern mainline warning stickers (seen on preserved locos on the mainline) are slightly to the ones use in the 60s as per this model. The modern ones are a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark in the centre, whereas the ones from the 60s were a red lightning flash. You might be able to spot this on your models if you have a preserved 6201 or Tornado, for example.
Many thanks for the info M, appreciate it! :D
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I have a bachmann split chassis rebuilt and unrebuilt royal scot, both yet to be converted to have tender mounted 8 pin dcc sockets, but they run well (the unrebuilt one requires new smoke deflectors and a safety valve, as I got it cheap). I have the same bachmann unrebuilt patriot as you, but I have a hornby rebuilt patriot which is near identical to this (45545 Planet, not to be confused with one of my black 5s, 45455).
I believe Planet has a loco mounted dcc socket, but I haven't run it in a while so I can't remember. Its a good runner (I don't think it runs as fast as this rebuilt royal scot), and well detailed. I haven't noticed any badly fitted parts such as your Ranger has.
BR actually electrified the WCML from Euston to Crewe in the 50s, with steam locos too tall to run under the wires painted with a yellow cabside stripe. So yeah, the warning flashes are accurate for a late BR era loco. (Plus, from the mid 90s onwards, it would've been a reflective yellow triangle on the white background, so this earlier style is correct.)
Screw link, not chain link coupling.
I do think the price is too high for this model, but I bet the rebuilt merchant navy in their current range is still the same tooling as the original release (albeit 8 pin dcc ready, rather than just DC) yet it is more expensive than this.
Thanks a lot for sharing Lapis - that's very useful info! And duly noted on the warning signs - any idea when they started being used??
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@@SamsTrains This link suggests 1959.
www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/13468-overhead-warning-flashes/
We’ve had Royal Scott No 46100 come to visit South Wales occasionally, at Cardiff Central, accompanied by a couple of other engine. Plus, someone who is friends with one of my friends took a photo of No. 46100 in North Wales.
Very nice Thomas - that sounds really cool! :D
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The rebuilt Patriots, Jubilees and Royal Scots all shared the same boiler and are basically the same locomotive with manner difference in the cab and frame details. The difference was with the boiler pressure. The Royal Scots had a higher boiler pressure than the Patriots and Jubilees so they had more traction force. Luckily my Royal Scot did not have any of the issues that you experienced. It is a pretty good runner. I have the opposite problem with the controller that I use. I have to be above 30% before my models start to crawl.
Thanks a lot for sharing - much appreciated Panda! :D
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@@SamsTrains Thanks for producing these videos. If it were not for your videos I may have not gotten into collecting British steam locomotives. You have been a great source of information and have been a great help in understanding and setting up these models. As I live in the US and have never seen these models before. Thanks for all your work.
Wonderful video Sam!
Thanks so much!! :D
Apparently it was a 2017 release, which might have been at the tail end of Hornby’s factory woes. The mechanism shows its age.
The overhead warning flashes are appropriate, the WCML was electrified starting in 1959, so they would have had the signs added as it was allocated to Crewe which is where they started the electrification.
Thanks for sharing Jim, glad to know this is a modern release then! Duly noted! :D
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16:02 wow hornby thanks for pointing that out sam
haha I know - shocking isn't it?
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Yeah
Hi Sam, Keep up the good work. There are only two preserved Royal Scots, The Class leader, 6100 The Royal Scot and 46115 Scots Guardsman
Thanks so much Mike, yes you're right - not sure why I said that! xD
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Yes the GWR Castle did very well on its trial, in fact the LMS were so impressed with its performance that they actually ordered a whole batch of Castles from the GWR along with an entire set of drawings, obviously this came to nothing and they opted for the Royal Scots instead, great review as usual. I really didn’t expect so many faults with the build quality. Also This loco The Ranger isn’t preserved.
Thanks Callum - yeah so I hear - I can't blame them for wanting their own version of the Castle! Yes you're right, no idea why I thought it was! xD
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Hi Sam, here’s a technical challenge for manufacturers or engineers. Why don’t you invite someone to invent a gear reduction mechanism that could be retro fitted to locomotives such as the Royal Scot to get them to deliver more torque at realistic speeds under analogue control? Hopefully that would make them crawl better too...! Very best wishes, Adrian
Great idea Adrian, I'd love to give that a try! :D
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Thanks Sam. I’m delighted you like that idea. I have quite a few little pocket rockets that would benefit from reduction gearing. Keep on doing what you’re doing. Very best wishes, Adrian
That's a handsome beast. It's exactly the thing I think of when I hear the words 'Tender Engine'.
haha absolutely right - me too! :D
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My royal scot is a project rebuild, i bought mine for £59 off ebay which is pretty chill, need some new numbering a splodge of paint luckily just black paint! And putting a new name plate on the right side
Oh nice, that sounds like a great idea - always much more fun if you've done something to it yourself! :D
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Great video as always. I did pick out something though. You said If the loco was in preservation loco. First of all only 46100 (royal Scot) and 46115 (Scots guardsman) were preserved. Second of all, the loco could have run on the West Coast Mainline south of Crewe due to there being no diagonal yellow stripe across the side of the cab, and that section of line was electrified in the late B.R period. Just thought I’d point that out, it’s a beautiful loco anyhow despite the somewhat careless assembly
Thanks so much Barnaby! Ahh that's interesting - I wonder why I thought that then? I don't think I ever read that it was preserved, that's a strange one!
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I'll have no money left by the time I've finished buying locos! Very nice, my brother has the original "paper boiler" Scott, it is in a bachmann presentation box. This looks amazing and the info is great to. Thanks and have a good one!
haha me too mate, lol! That sounds really awesome actually! :D
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Well 2007 is a long time ago. I finished my degree at the technical collage back then.
haha yeah, I was just starting secondary school in that year!
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I have been reminded in the comments of the Mazak rot in the earlier models.
Especially the important top worm gear cover that keeps the gears in mesh.
No Hornby spares for the gearbox I believe, just a dead engine.
Not clear when and if this was fixed.
Yes I saw those too - I even had one that failed, which I forgot about until now... not good at all!
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Hi Sam, Re the overhead warnings, The West Coast route was electrified in the early 50's (1953 onwards) So it would have been perfectly acceptable for steam locos of that era to carry overhead warning flashes. Laterally, some steam locos carried a yellow diagonal bar on the cab sides to dictate that they could operate under the wires.
Thanks a lot for the info Boa! Yes I knew that, but I wasn't sure when the warning signs came into use - may not necessarily have been at the same time electrification was introduced!
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@@SamsTrains I'd suspect that they were applied very quickly as the wires went up. We even used to get them on our old 400 series slammers, they ran on 3rd rail lol
I’ve seen royal Scot in person it’s a beautiful locomotive
Awesome Josh - I bet it really is! :D
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I own the same engine since January 2022 on 15 Saturday.
Easiest way to tell the difference between the rebuilds and the originals is the boiler. The royal Scots were all rebuilt with tapered boilers compared to the parallel boiler they were originally built with
might have something to do with the great western inspiration you mentioned ;)
Ahh interesting Mitchell, thanks for sharing! :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Your first Royal Scot review was the Airfix tender drive version reviewed in September 2014. So a year before the Mainline split chassis loco drive version unboxing.
Both these locos were made around 1978.
How is the Airfix version running these days?
Funny that Hornby now owns Airfix but some came to Hornby via Dapol.
Hope you do not delete these older useful reference materials.
Thanks John - blimey I didn't know I'd done that! The Airfix one is a nasty piece of work - I don't think I've tried to run it for ages, it's literally falling to pieces! xD
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@@SamsTrains I thought I knew what state it was likely to be in, but I was trying to be tactful.
When new, the model Magazines praised it. This tells you a lot about the magazine's approach.
Have you been watching Warley model rail virtual exhibition today?
I haven't, is it any good?! :D
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They're amazing locos Sam- I managed to get my Pete Waterman Collection model of 46100 "Royal Scot" a few years ago, and its absolutely sublime! Best bit was the price- only £80!!!!
Thanks mate, ooh that sounds wonderful - glad you got that one!! :D
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They are amazing those Rebuilt Royal Scots (which the Hornby model is one, separate from the original parallel boiler version). I might get one but rename it to 46100 'Royal Scot'/'King's Dragoon Guardsman' herself. I also own the older Mainline version as No. 6115 'Scots Guardsman' in LMS Post War Black.
Thanks very much - yeah they are lovely models, that's for sure! :D
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At 70 mph the real engine's driving wheels will be rotating at around 240 revs per minute. That is quite fast. Good review - these were fantastic engines. No. 46165 was withdrawn in November 1964 and sadly scrapped.
Sure, it's very fast! Will measure the scale speed at some point, and see! :D
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Hi Sam, think If I got this directly from Hornby I would be sending it back for sure! ( Just joined as a chief mechanical engineer :-) )
Thanks James, yeah I'd probably do the same! That's awesome - welcome mate! Be sure to check the community tab - there's a library of behind the scenes videos posted on there - might need to scroll back a bit!
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Many thanks Sam. Lovely model but as you say pity about those quality issues. I do like the 'Scots' though and the Jubilees, Bahamas is my top steamer. Great review as always.
Thanks Mike, yes it was a real pity! Me too, lovely machines! :D
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Love the royal scot model! I don’t know what it is about steam locomotives but they’re so cool! I’ve always been a personal fan of 2-6-0’s. Anyway nice video Sam! Thanks!
Thanks very much Cole - I agree, they are always so cool! :D
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Scary to think how much hornby and Bachmann are asking this much for locomotives this old. And yet here I am dropping £320 on the Rapido Stirling Single! Fingers crossed that its good value for the money like my J70 and CN Royal Hudson.
Yeah, it's scary isn't it?! I've heard good things about the Stirling - let me know what it's like! :D
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I've found it on the Model Centre for a bit cheaper than Hattons if anyone wants to check it out. By the way, Sam, I've found they're really good for locos, they knock off a good bit of the price and they'll even customise it for you!
Thanks for that - sounds really good! :D
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Hey Sam do you prefer the original condition or the rebuild condition Royal Scots? I can’t decide
Once again thank you Sam for the video. As usual you know your onions. The Royal Scot locomotives are beautiful machines. I have in collection Airfix, GMR ,Bachmann and Hornby and it's really made me think. Once again thank you Sam. 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🚄🚄
Thanks a lot Mark, appreciate it! Cheers for the kind comments,
Sam :)
Bit of info on these loco's the LMS crews actually use to nickname these engine's brutus because despite their size the were very powerful
p.s the price is why i have always gone for pre-owned models
Thanks a lot for the tip Daniel! Yeah pre-owned is a good way to go too! :D
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15:56 Is it just me or do I see the remains of a Bachmann Branch Line logo?
The first loco you reviewed was a Mainline Royal Scot, while the first British OO gauge model I ever got was the tender of a Bachmann Royal Scot (it's the red one from the "Flying scot" set). The seller didn't have the loco or the matching coaches.
haha I certainly hope not! Thanks for sharing - how did you get on with it? :D
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Sam you should probably calculate its scale speed to determine whether it's too fast (or how fast it is faster than it should be)
I may try that, it's a really good idea!! :D
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It does seem pretty decent if not for the ridiculous pricing; tooling is still 13 years old either way. They could've at least made it DCC and sound fitted for that. When you mention build quality. I actually wonder if how well the Royal Scots are put together varies from model to model; I admit I really cringed when I saw the red paint spattered on the Tender. It really shouldn't but I do wonder if there's an example of the exact same model where things were fitted more neatly.
Yeah I agree, too expensive given the outdated features... but overall half decent! :D
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That center pair of drivers moving that much before the other drivers do would worry me.
Yes they do, but it's not really a problem - quite a lot of locos do it! Sure though, I'm not a fan either!
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Problem is if you put manufacturing in countries that have dodgy labour practises occasionally you will get a duff one. What happened to the factories at Maidstone where the company bus would pick the workers up.
The Scots, duchesses, princesses, 8fs and black 5s as well as many BR standards got those style warning flashes if there was overhead electrification in their region, some even had a yellow diagonal stripe to indicate that they shouldn’t work in certain areas because of the overhead cantenary. The modern warning flashes have the yellow triangle image on them as opposed to those on that model which are correct for the 1960s. Sadly that loco didn’t survive and only Royal Scot and Scots Guardsman made the preserved lists from their class.
Thanks a lot for this - I wasn't sure about those!
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I would say it would be fair at £115. Interesting you should mention the Hornby Dean Single. I ran mine for the first time today, after having sound added. I am astonished at it’s quality and running characteristics. No room for a stay alive though, and the Dean Single really does need one
Thanks for the comment - yeah £115 would be totally fine for this I'd say! Sure, the Dean was surprisingly decent! :D
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Hi Sam. Unrebuilt scots can be identified by the parallel boiler where as the rebuilt scots have the tapered boiler. Great video as always.
Thanks a lot for the info, appreciate this! :D
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I saw this loco come to Cardiff in September! Absolute beauty!!
Ooh fantastic - I bet it is!! :D
Do you think the manufacturers take note of your reviews and do they give you any feedback?
I don't know Dan! I have received some feedback in the past, some of it was very pleasant too!! :D
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£170? er no, your generosity is exemplary Sam, Good Review.
haha many thanks mate! :D
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Great video mate! I've got one of those and it's brilliant!
Thanks a lot mate - glad to hear you've got a good one! :D
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Hi Sam, just a thought... You often have comment and criticism about model gearing - so as part of your review, how about including a measurement of scale speed at (say) 40, 50, 60, 80% of controller setting. Even better it you can find the original intended working speed of the loco being reviewed and comparing. You can measure the distance around your loop, so just time a few circuits and work out the average, after running in of course. Otherwise great review as always.
That's a very good idea! The only issue would be how much time that would take - I have to seriously think about the workflow before adding new features to my reviews! Great idea though, love it! :D
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A 2007 tooling, one year after the British Army's Royal Scots merged with other regiments to become the Royal Regiment of Scotland. I imagine the latter influenced the former.
One of the things you haven't addressed that I find annoying with this model is that the coupling rods flop about like one of those nylon tube windsock characters (you know the ones I mean?)
Ahh interesting, thanks for sharing Steven! haha yeah, others noticed that too - it doesn't look great does it? ;D
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The Royal Scot and Patriot by BMG in Train Simulator are nicely detailed
Ooh are they? I might try one! :£
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@@SamsTrains Would highly recommend them, they have some amazing driving mechanics :D loved your video
I bought this with the red livery with yellow stripes with the 4 coaches for 74$.
Wow! That's very reasonable actually! :D
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Hi Sam what I have noticed over past reviews same with this one is that when you get a reduced price on a loco it has faults so does the price reflect the faults? Or do the seller know it is rejected stock? Normally rejected stock from the factory can be sold on cheaply to the employees not sure if it allowed to get through to the general public if so Quality Control not working.
I don't think so Michael - they couldn't sell rejected stock as new - I buy from trusted retailers, and I know that's not what they're doing... or I hope I do!
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Hi Sam, this is an express loco - so high speed ! Even if it shows its design age it does the job. The real problem is: Quality Control.... if there is any. Or more likely 1 in 100 is reviewed... as was with cars in the old days. I have mixed feelings about this loco model. Not one I have on my wish list. Just bought another Maunsel S15 - the 4th on my roster since this series has motor problems ...but for 79,99£ ! Considering a replacement motor cost 29£ !! Fingers crossed. Nice review as usual - thanks! Greetings
Yeah high speed is fine, it's the low speed that this loco suffers with! But yes, quality control was a problem too!
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My early example was so difficult to service. Worse than any I have for body removal and reversal.
So many models are very difficult to get to the lubrication points with difficult body removal and being even harder to put it back without damage.
You're right John, not at all easy to access, this is one of the worst!
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Hi Sam, I have a black BR version of the Mainline loco... for me it runs great... loved your review... ATB Neil 🤠🚂🚃
Ooh very nice - glad to hear yours runs well!! That's a rare thing! ;D
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I really like the Royal Scot
Me too! :D
I have often wondered what happens to locos that are sent back to stockists for various reasons are they just put back on the shelf and sent back out again to another buyer at a cheaper price in the the hope they won’t be returned a second time? With so much dodgy looking glueing etc was the price reduced because it was classed as a second? I have had so many purchases that have had problems that sometimes I have thought is it worth continuing with the hobby the quality control at some of these factories seems to be non existent considering the prices charged is nothing short of daylight robbery. Good review as usual Sam.
I'd seriously hope not - they'd have to be listed as second hand. Retailers should be returning them to the manufacturer. You are right though, there are a lot of quality problems about!!
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Nice loco you got Sam.
I think that the whistle are fitted correctly just went to hattons and all three locos has the exact the same whistle asembely.
I like the green color and it is stunning and it fits the loco prefect.
Keep up the good work Sam.
:) :) :)
Thanks a lot mate - I checked this too - on the product listing images I saw, they were all straight!
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@@SamsTrains you are welcome.
I did som digging about mehano and yes they are still in operation in Slovenia.
And yes el chepos western train is still in production.
How ever the loco on ther wbb page witch is included in the western set has only clear yellow plasic
Inserts but did not see any leds or light bulbs behind the plastic inserts.
Keep the good work as always Sam.
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I agree that it is over-priced for a model this age. The Rebuilt or taper Scot, as they were referred to, were virtually a new engine. The cab and wheel sets were retained but the cylinders and frames (but not stretchers) were replaced as well as the the boiler. The original Royal Scot had resulted from the loan of Launceston Castle by the operating department. The LMS had requested the GWR build Castles for them, which they declined and also declined to supply drawings. The Southern did supply drawings of the Lord Nelsons but the main work was carried out by the North British Company in conjunction with the Derby Drawing Office under Herbert Chambers (the cab and firebox was influenced by the Nelsons). The original Scots were not a copy of the Nelsons, they were a three cylinder locomotive whereas the Nelsons were 4 and they already had good design of outside Walschaerts valve gear as used on Hughes Crab and 2-6-4 tank and high superheat used in the boiler (this may have been based on Big Bertha Midland's 0-10-0 Lickey banker. The Scots were highly successful and fulfilled the immediate need although were replaced on the top link by the Lizzies (Princesses, which lacked some of the oomph due to lower superheat). Due to high cylinder wear the decision was made to re-build them, but the final one was not re-built till the mid 1950s. Due to war time restrictions, the LMS could not build any new passenger locomotives but only mixed traffic and freight engines but was allowed to re-build locomotives especially if existing parts were used (boiler). The re-build produced an almost new engine, which rejuvenated the original. The LMS had already used the boiler on the turbine loco Fury and on 2 Jubilees, so the boiler was well proven. The rebuilt Scot put up a good performance against the pacifics, King and Castles on the 1948 interchange trials.
Thanks Don, glad you thought so too! Many thanks for all this fascinating info, appreciate that greatly! :D
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Good info Don except that Fury was not a turbine but a high pressure experimental loco that after a fatal explosion was rebuilt to 6170.
6170 could be thought of as the prototype of the re built Royal Scots.
The LMS turbine was a Pacific.
@@johnd8892 Thanks for the correction. I should have known that, if I had thought about it.
hello sam I think the royal scots are some of the best 4-6-0s that the LMS ever built and i might get one for myself one day and i love the BR green this loco is is and i think this model should go for about 100 euro to 110 euro and love the video from david
Thanks David, yeah they've got to be haven't they? That's very reasonable I'd say!
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The way the quality was presented I would expect something like this from Heljan I would have said. If the tooling was released in 2007 it wouldn’t have hurt to retool it or at least give a better mechanism especially for a 2020 pricing.
haha not quite Heljan's quality, but definitely not up to Hornby's usual standard! Yeah the pricing is questionable, but it would have been perfectly acceptable if it'd been built properly!
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This is one of the over glued model train that anyone can have on their railway. Cinders and ashes plastic, but have fairly amount of weight.
haha thanks Elijah! Yeah the weight was very good! :D
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I've read posts where people have pulled the speedo cable off because they didn't know that it had to be unscrewed.
Yep - that's a total failure of the instruction manual unfortunately - they'd be well within their rights to return the model, as it would not be the customer's fault!
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Shame that there is only 2 preserved Sam
They are good locos in real life too
Thx Ben :)
Thanks Ben, yes it's a pity! I heard they are! :D
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Hey Sam. This review was awesome and despite the issues with assembly of the loco, I think it’s a great looking model. I need help with deciding which loco to get. I have three lined up which is:The royal Scot, The Raven Q6 and The Black 5 but I don’t know which one to get, which would you recommend? Thx-Cal :)
Thanks so much - really glad you liked the review anyway! I think of those the Q6 is probably the best model, but you'd need to pay less than £100 for it to be worthwhile!
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Hey Sam please do this royal Scot a west country class and a Black 5 Triple heading!
That sounds amazing!! :D
I love the Royal Scots, they’re powerful and beautiful.-Das Mann
How ever they didn’t do a NON stop run due to the tender not being able to change crews on the way and had to stop to change crew
This can’t be true, can it? Also even if they did, Flying Scotsman still hold the title for LONGEST non-stop run, not FIRST non-stop run.
@@SheffieldNo14Productions well a lot of people know Flying Scotsman for those two records as being the most well known and it did travel without stopping from London to Edinburgh
It's fine - I make mistakes too all the time! Respectful corrections are more than adequate, be nice!!
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Okay, I’m sorry for posting this. I heard it from somewhere and it must not have been true.-Das Mann
There is an engine in a trainz series called the stories of sodor made by Victor tanzig, but there is the isle of man called Reginald
Thanks for the info Abe, I'll have to look out for that! :D
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Awesome video today Sam beautiful locomotive such a shame about the glue marks
Thanks James, yeah pity about those :(
rebuilt scots have a tapered boiler,
are you gonna do a comparison between all the scots ever produced, including the Airfix, Mainline, Bachmann and hornby versions
Duly noted, that might be a really interesting video idea actually, thank you! :D
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Smashing loco mate!
Thanks Michael! :D
That middle driving wheel slipping whenever it starts in a new direction bugs me. I'm not sure what would cause that, but it seems like something is loose or out of spec. It's weird, and it doesn't seem to affect performance... it just bugs me, haha.
haha thanks Ben, yes others have said the exact same thing too!! ;D
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Hi Sam I think the train is quite good despite the detail. Very good to watch! Keep it up Sam
Thank you Elena, it's lovely for sure! :D
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The slop in the motion would put me off immediately. The way the centre driving axle sets off before the others and means the side rods aren’t straight is a deal breaker for me. Maybe this is one of those models from Hornby’s unhappier times.
Yeah others noticed that too actually - there is a fair bit of slop!
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Those royal Scots are something special
Yeah they are Doug! :D
Since 2007 when Hornby released their first Royal Scot class five of the versions released since then have suffered from Mazak rot . I have one of these and the chassis when I investigated why the gears weren’t engaging broke in half and of Hornby showed no interest as usual . By sheer luck last year I saw that Peters Spares had their own replacement chassis made so I was able to rebuild my Scot and it now running again but no thanks to Hornby. The model you have came out in 2017 and probably not sold out because it’s well known about the previous models mazak issues and experienced modellers won’t go near them .
Oh dear - I wasn't aware that these suffered with that too! I'm told mine was made in 2017, I'd dearly hope they would have fixed the issue since then. You may be right though - that could definitely explain poor sales!
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Must point out, there is a very large gap between the engine and tender
Well spotted, that's a good point!
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Do people's broken model locos go to the scrapyard at Barry. Hundreds of old Hornby and Bachmann locos. Someone ought to build it on a layout.