Life is fundamentally tragic | Max Tegmark and Lex Fridman
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“You live as long as you are remembered” was a quote I heard.
This is the real value of youtube! The smartest people on the planet sharing their knowledge in a understandable manner. Man we are lucky to be alive.
Definitely lucky and grateful to be alive, yet I’m still fucking miserable. How does that work? Maybe the answer is in the title of the video...
@@aworology3027 Perhaps see the video "An Antidote to Dissatisfaction"
@@eugeniamaurajames1907 big thyme mon!
Ironically, the belief that life is tragic because it's a gift but not long enough is really a very optimistic worldview.
If the worst thing in life is it being 'game over', then life is amazingly good. But equally there are probably millions of people in history, and billions of animals (if they could communicate) that would say there are many experiences worse than not being able to fully experience the beauty of existence- seeing life as a fundamentally good sandbox game may be a very rare view based on the extremely good luck of being well-educated, healthy and successful in the 21st Century Western World.
It's called the survivos bias. I've been unlucky to have born with some personality disorders like high neuroticism and low extraversion and as a result suffered a lot to now
This is profoundly good. Thank you both for sharing your gifts with the world!
This is so profound. Teachers live two lifetimes. One is their own and the other is through the impressions they made on their students. As an educator, that gives me chills.
I've learned something throughout my 43yrs and coping with countless tragedies,.. the more love in your life, the less tragic life seems. But life is much harder, especially during difficulties, when you're hardly supported by people who genuinely love you.
Working in a hospital, experiencing for the first time someone having a hard death where they're 100% in a state of horror, eyes darting to and for trying to work it out, going back and forth b/t asking where their kids are and spitting hate for their kids and everyone - the thing that surprises you is how you feel, the feeling that fills the room, when they finally die. There's a sense of relief and gladness; not b/c the tense moment is finally over but b/c the deceased is no longer suffering. You're just glad for that much. It's a feeling that surprises you; you didn't know how you would feel, and you don't guess it will be relief and gladness. But when it happened to a relative I can't get used to being able to think about the geography of it; that if you go down the street, hang a left, go down another street, hang a right, down some other streets, you end up at a street where some number of yards off the road your relative is inside a box 6ft. in the cold ground. I can sit in my room and imagine a line extending from me, down the streets, to that point. It seems weird that the body of someone who was beloved is sitting there in a box some little distance from where you are, some number of yards off the road under some dirt. It seems obscene and gross. So, pro funeral pyres at sea.
Max Tegmark is such an inspiring teacher. Yes, I see a little of Richard Feynman when he describes our mortality and ephemeral moments on earth. What if, we are really immortal and we come back for a short sojourn as different beings? Call it reincarnation or the path to nirvana. I only wish.
I love the questions and observations this man makes .
The tragic outlook is at the heart of conservative thought.
In Our Mathematical Universe, Max describes a level IV multiverse in terms of both physics and poetry. As a mid life person with no real background in cosmology I was enthralled and I fell in love with cosmology -- not as a scholar or student -- but as an experiencer. That moment has never left me and still inspires me to grope at my own crude understanding of the universe around me continuously. I can't download your expertise but I can use it as a stepping stone toward wonder. That's close enough.
After watching the full podcast I've realized that Max is one of the greatest thinkers of our generation and one of the greatest teachers as well.
Lex has a great podcast too. It's one of the best if not THE best. (as long as he doesn't do the podcast from inside a giant toaster.)
Man, I love this channel. Just like Mr Tegmark said in the end, I totally agree (and had some sense of sadness/melancholy ) about those in-depth dives into whatever topic, profession or expirience it might be and not forcefully changing the topics, is such a blessing in this day and age (where most people don't even make the effort, let alone try to understand or follow someone else's perspective...), that I totally get Lex "falling in love with conversation in itself", he couldn't have said it any better.
This was a beautiful conversation
Haven't heard the content yet, and not sure if i will, as much as I love listening to Max & Lex together ... time is so short and with each & every passing day TH-cam and the Internet have tens of thousands of additional hours of content are added to the internet (a fundamental problem for AI to solve?) so one has to be increasingly selective what to listen to.
From my own experience, i know that when i am in a moment of negativity if i choose to show up and express myself publicly, the negativity will come forth in what i say, do (or simply in my behavior). So important to be aware of, and careful with this. And worse, to use titles to attract viewers that could be interpreted as clickbait and/or genuinely reflect a sentiment that may or may not be true -- but can influence tens of thousands of people (in this case alone -- over 30,000 viewers and counting).
Though we haven';t met and i've had far more time to see online content by both Maxand Lex ( i in turn have shared very little online yet so this is a bit unfair to comment in a one-sided manner) i do want to say that, in the best, most respectful, virile, and a deep sense of the word, I identify with and deeply love the work, values, and intensity with which both Lex and Max throw themselves into their common passions -- AI/AGI; the internet and humanity; existential challenges; making the world a better place... and more.
On that note: If we fall into deep pessimism, or worse, depression, anguish, TRAGEDY, and other negative polarities -- AND ASSUME THAT LIFE & REALITY ARE FUNDAMENTALLY NEGATIVE AND TRAGIC, we will move the world in that direction -- one person, one thought, one video, audio, podcast, article, theorem, algorithm, framework, ideology, network, and social movement at a time. Better (i suggest warmly and lovingly) to err towards optimism, hope, goodness, and continuing to put in all the effort we can to "bend reality" -- to generate reality -- towards more positive outcomes. Possible, and necessary, if we are to not merely inherit, but more significantly, co-create, a better, livable world together.
And if we fail ... well, at least we gave it a shot. :)-
Love to all the good people out there -- and to all people in general.
May all beings be happy. May all beings be at peace. May all beings ('artificial' ones included) be well.
I feel like every time Lex asks a guest if they are afraid of death, he wants them to straight up look him in the eye and say yes with a pause and then explain further.
When you waste too much time thinking about death you stop living.
Especially after watching videos like these
Really depends on what light you think about death in. One can meditate and think about death in order to appreciate living more.
that's what I do :/
@@dave9547 meditating about mortality and thinking about death too much are usually different things.
One leads to better quality of life while the other to anxiety.
What is your opinion?
How can I live in ignorance again?
Great folks!
The ending of this interview was great Lex. I really enjoy your planned endings, another one that comes to mind is #2 chat with Elon and Pale Blue Dot. Strong work. Thanks for inspiring Lex!
I wouldn't wish immortality on my worst enemy. A big part of what makes living special is experiencing things for the first time. The novelty of things and our naivety towards it can only be experienced once in a lifetime. You would eventually do everything as an immortal and life would become so boring and repetitive.
Right, information and memories.
Wow thank u a so much for this Lex sir
Lex ask meaningful questions so we get amazing answers.
As woody allen said, I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve it through not dying.
Max Tegmark has a great innocent smile
LIFE is an exercise in pain minimization..
Im scared to die so much. I'm freezing myself with Alcor and Im just wondering if you could have someone in that field on your show?
I don't really think "memories" is all there is to the self. Although it definitely could be part of what the self is, and it makes for a really beautiful metaphor. Even they contradicted the idea themselves when they touched upon being unable to copy someone else's thoughts or experiences at the snap od a finger.
The One thing about Death? Everyone Gets a Turn!
Beautiful. I'll share max just like I've shared Richard
Thanks
Another great one. Keep up the great work Lex!
You’re not information. You’re the existence in the now, feeling and perceiving. Memories are overrated. You can’t survive by leaving record of your thoughts. You survive by actually continuing to feel and perceive.
Lex and Max, what a show this was...
Only when you find imperfections you'll know truth or love. It makes things beautiful even more.
I'm not afraid of dying. I just know that I will miss not being able to play guitar anymore. That's the saddest part.
Ok nerd
@@pungentzeus You really don't know the definition of nerd.
Clickbait title doesn't match with the profoundly intuitive and positive thesis on death.
There is too much emphasis on death these days. The lesson most of the world does not seem to learn about death is to make life we have as best as possible not only for yourselves but also the people around you.
2nd time I get unsubscribed from your channel but it is still on my home feed.
Great convo, though I don't buy we are fundamentally our ideas, These are merely thoughts that pop up in our consciousness
"…life is a wonderful gift that I even gets to live…" says he. A gift is given. So by whom was it given?
The fact that we die could be liberating also
Can one accept the tragedy and realize that being in the play at all is a gift.
Exactly. Some people act like a child that gets taken away a toy when they're talking about death.
Man be happy you got it in the first place! Not only that, you won't notice it's been taken away. :)
@@0xszander0 having an expected death experience gave me a larger view.
@@KaliFissure I have not experienced that but I can imagine that it can be a huge wake up call in a way. I think that people that do the effort to find their spirituality and or try to understand themselves better in life are the ones that understand or comprehend death better. Maybe this is why you see so many different responses to death. I always find that a interesting thing about funerals. To see how the people closest to you handle or respond to it.
@@KaliFissure I had a close call aswell, what I told myself that if I die in my head then I am in control. but I couldn't keep control of my own head and thrashed around trying to regain control. What I learned from this is;
1: that not everything is in control
2: you stage your own play(like a theatrical play)
3: I don't enjoy not breathing
@@aidanhammer6968 I'm sorry that your experience was so traumatic but you seem tio have learned and grown from it regardless. 👍
Love makes life worth living, especially if one experiences unconditional love in his/her lifetime.
It's perplexing how all these guests seem to try and conveniently zoom out in order to give their finite lives some enduring meaning in the medium term, yet completely fail to acknowledge that over the long term, nothing will persist. It's quite sad, pathetic even, to witness this complete inability of so many smart people to detach from their ego and face the pointlessness of all existence. Trying to give any meaning to life or the universe in general is an exercise in futility. Enjoy the ride and stop worrying about your legacy; it'll disintegrate sooner or later, like everything else.
What keeps you going?
How do you feel 30 mins before the end of a huge work day? Relieved, right?
That should be our attitude towards "death". We're finishing one shift, getting some short rest, and about to start another one.
We are here to build for G-d.
What a luxury it is to ponder about the end of life, how sad it is and the meaning of it and all. Most humans fight daily to stay alive and these are not questions they have luxury of to ponder. Death is a great equalizer and regardless how much money, fame you have or how much you love life, we all meet our friend death.
Lex is the goat
The feature of life being finite is probably similar to the feature of term limits.
Life is beautiful but people ruin it
I won't miss being alive cause of it
Probably only a fraction of the laws of the universe have been discovered. The more we know the less we know and the more questions we have.
Max är en duktig pojke! ☺️
Happiness is simply a response to a reduction of pain..
“Live life to the fullest” does not seem possible to me... we are more or less slaves to money for our whole lives. Our lives revolve around money which is the root of all evil. I’m at the point where I look forward to death it can’t come soon enough. I’m so sick of this life and I don’t see my self enjoying it any time soon.
I know... I’m terrible and don’t look at things the right way...I hope I’m wrong about everything and god shows me the light soon. I’ve been feeling like this for nearly 5 years. I need help.
Your not alone I feel exactly the same way, sometimes I can’t wait to see what’s on the other side
THIS, there is no escape from having most of your waking life revolving around money
S/B "Imperfect Life" on title. 👍
bleak title; wholesome video
Also, why is death painful?
Lex go listen to the Russian death core band called 'slaughter to prevail' .
Anyone else think he sounded like Christopher Walken at first?
I think this is how the Buddha started out.
"Cattle die, Kinsmen die, All men are mortal. Words of praise shall never perish, nor an honorable name." -- the Havamal
@@russellbrand376 Fix your grammar first 🤦♂️🤦♂️. SCAMMER.
That bible scripture
Death isn't meaning. Torture for years and years, weakening bones, reducing sight and hearing, cancer etc... isn't meaning. It doesn't give meaning to life or what we do.
Happiness itself is meaning.
The fact that we are going to die is not a tragedy. The tragedy is that people are so much in love with themselves that they cannot accept going into oblivion. I love life only because it is a brief flash of light in eternity.
Humble gods.
Still "you" who you are now would "die" anyway if even you could live almost forever. I mean you would change dramatically because you experience so
much things that you probably wouldn't remotely recognize your 300 year old self if you could meet him today. Just like you only have some memories and thoughts about your childhood but you are a different person and thats max. 70 years ago. Just enjoy the ride and try to help each other and don't be a jerk by using other persons for your personal gain/motives is the best you can do as a human yeah and try creating fun stuff for people to enjoy and progress personally.
Memento Mori ❤️
I believe the spirit carries on. Where my after-lifers at?
I hope it does. I like that song by Dream Theater
@@PaulFurn89 Hell yeah dude Scenes from a memory part 2 is one of the best albums ever
@@PHOENIXDude57 absolutely
Yes this guy doesn't believe it obviously
People like him bore me
I'm only at the 5 minute mark but have plenty to comment on. Firstly, life is fundamentally tragic in my opinion means that life is not only painful at many times, but also short, and not guaranteed. Other biological life has and continues to suffer perhaps much more than us, living much shorter lifetimes. We as humans, as a species learnt to control nature and our bodies to fight diseases, and nature, to extend our lives as much as we can today. And will continue to extend it. But for our ancestors, life was often fleet. Very few lived past 40 I would guess. Our social structures were also flawed resulting in countless wars, and tragedies. This is the tragic part of life in my opinion, which isn't touched upon because these two are talking in the modern age, and also as priveleged beings.
Plenty of people still struggle (although far fewer) to put food on the table. That struggle is inherently tragic. But that is life. Many animals have died and die of starvation, and calamities, but that's life. But they are programmed to continue, where as humans have developed thinking to ask the question, whether it is reasonable at times to continue, should I live?, to be or not to be? And many have ended their lives prematurely, because this life wasn't a gift for them.
We enjoy, and experience things more because our life is finite. Sure. We in the modern age, go through a lot of rote, and nonsense, and timewasting, as well because people think "they have a lot of time". That they will live till at least 80, when they're 40. This leads into them wasting a lot of time than they should. If we knew our lives would end at 40, perhaps we would live the lives to the fullest, and more full than the lives we would have lived if we live until 80. People want to live longer, sure. We don't want to die. But as in many fictional stories, immortal people end up growing bored with their lives. And this could be true. Biologically though, it just makes sense we are meant to die, and create "better" versions of ourselves to continue, hence why sex plays such a strong part in human lives. The need to reproduce is biologically important. But birth rates are declining, and population collapse may occur. People want to live and preserve themselves,not produce offspring more and more. I wonder what change this will bring.
Lastly Tegmark talks about being preserved digitally, yes, you get to be preserved, because you are famous, and more so than the billions of people and identities who were not preserved before the Internet. But this isn't a point to feel good about or egotistical. It is just information, it is not you , or your consciousness, but a representation of yourself. While you might feel comforted , that "you will live on". This is not the case. It is another version of you that is just a digital representation. And also this information is only exists, while humanity exists, in the vast time and age of the Universe it is nothing. Perhaps if humanity survives another 1000-2000 years, that is the extent of your digital identity. In another billion years, all traces of humanity might have been erased for any number of reasons. In that universe, all this words I'm typing wouldn't exist at all.
Btw forget another billion years, Tegmark in another clip talks about humans possibly destroying themselves in 100 years with 50% probability, so it really means nothing, your "self-preservation" into the digital realm or any such feelings. As the before comment wrote, i repeat "Life is cheap. All this for nothingness at the end. Enjoy the ride while we can." life is cheap, but human life, is special to a certain extent, that we can do amazing things, creating, learning, connecting, so let's all do more of those, and less of time wasting, and all the negative aspects of ourselves, feeling egotistical, desiring material things, desiring lust/power, hurting others, being dishonest...
Nobody wants to die, but when you think about it, would you really like to live forever.
You should have Sadhguru on.
@@jimjiminyjaroo300 bit harsh but I share your sentiment. Never quite understood the fascination with him tbh.
Not on lex level
I think talks on personal incidents when you felt spiritual must be heard more than the institutionalised spirituality.
Tegmark is a real mensch
Things are better than ever before in human history. Life is tragic without your health maybe.
Well said Max..but who knows?
Life is beautiful & Everything is Love! This We find out When We Die! (If We Don’t Fall Into Hell!(?) But Even We Fall Into Hell (It’s Just A Tough Lesson) & We’ll Find out sooner or later; That Everything is Love! (These are my Beliefs.)
@Mik Mc: There is also 5,000+ years of evidence and proof that what you call your "beliefs" are actually facts. A vast array of human domains -- including cutting-edge scientific research into neuroscience, NDEs & OBEs, altered states, psychedelics, meditation, and related fields -- and millenarian disciplines and practices -- shamanism, mythology, vision quests, spiritual retreats, contemplation, bodywork, rolfing, flow, human potential, and many others all uphold evidence that there are ways in which all of us can transform surface beliefs into deeply embodied knowledge of the deeper realities of life, death, consciousness, intelligence, nature, reality, the universe, and more.
@@LeonGalindoStenutz Thank You! For Sharing your Visionary expectations & description of the Universal Paradigm Taking Place!! You Put it into words Much better than I do But I do share Much of your hopeful outlook & expectations for the unfolding future, (Even if this positive mindset seems widely Denied in popular culture & massmedia at large.) I’m still convinced, It’s Actually Very Exciting Times We are living in! Right Now!!
I've no wish to question his integrity but what he says raises an interesting question, in general. Is it possible that teaching to be remembered in the way that you remember your own teacher, might be detrimental to the possibility?
Again this is not pointed at Max, he doesn't seem vain enough to let that affect him, but not every teacher is like that.
Time to leave this planet
I think that the main reason that people are sad about family and friends dieing is that they are forced to thinki about their own mortality .
Because death is a dirty word particularly in the west, its never talked about.
Sure, but while they're gone, you are left to face the world without them. I think about my own mortality just fine without the assistance of close friends and family dying. I even came very close to death in my early twenties when a truck hit me head on. I wasn't frightened then, but I will be devastated when my mom, in particular, dies. And she's 70 now. You are right, though, that death is a dirty subject in the western world.
@@davidadams2395 don't get me wrong i still love these people but I feel that a lot of sympathy for the dead is false. My favourite aunt died when she was 42, in 1999 left small children three months later her husband was sleeping with other women, likewise a friend lost his wife at 30 ,two months later he was sleeping with other women.
When my father died 15years ago my mother's oldest friend died a couple of weeks later, a couple of months later my mother's friends husband was phoning my mother and being rude and suggestive, my mother sat there giggling away thinking it was funny, it happened a couple of times before I answered the phone and told to stop ringing my mother and that he was no better than a sex pest and he should be ashamed of himself, but my mother never told him to stop 🤷♂️
I think that most people are pretty damaged goods unfortunately because I have other stories like this. It's a mest up world alright.
All the best buddy 🙏🏻
Life is not tragic its completely the opposite your existence is miraculous and unbelievabley beautiful if you stoped for second and thought about it
@@bluceree7312 many , we’re going to meet one day
@@parado1990 keep living in delusion.
I have to watch Lex Clips because JRE Clips SUCKS now.
For most humans isn't life almost full time suffering?
Half of you is immortal........be happy!!!
Well, I did not understand but I know that Rastafari will protect I and I.
Mane made me scared to die
Crazy to think that this race may run out of time.... that one day..... the whole world could witness its end on full screen display..... all the beautiful people.... all the little things.... made trivial in comparison.... every moment of unnecessary eye contact..... every toe ever stubbed..... all sized up next to a grand end..... that end might just happen...... could we have a happy ending? Or is that our happy ending?....
This guy is too in his head
The spirit continues
But if you don't believe that, you come up with a million intellectual answers that takes 10:42
Life is cheap. All this for nothingness at the end. Enjoy the ride while we can.
This guy looks just like Richard Lewis...
Look we don't need presidents to tell people what to do. We need common sense like if you are going to have lending system integrated with a currency you have to have interest rates to take out profits from the future. No matter using gold or humans as currency. If you don't integrate interest rates it becomes a social structure control experiment that leads to unprecedented stupidity and miss behavior. Thanks.
When time pass through by you will see what I mean.
Death is overrated? I find that a really funny comment
Oh boy this is gonna be some top tier bullshit isn't it lol
"Live life to the fullest" - the emptiest platitude ever created.
Is delicious food delicious because we're gonna die and we implicitly know it? Come on man..
And we end with an absurd promotion of transhuman as a pragmatic way to connect with each other more. Definitely top tier bullshit.
You cant do a back up for your brain because it wasn't built for that. This comment should stop all these people who keep on propounding the myth that in the future we can download the information from a brain.
rofl. what a load of trash. hes in denial. so are most people. no, hes not just an "information processing unit". there are cells that dont get replaced throughout your lifespan. some processes of dying are pure terror. that knowledge should ultimately render you more compassionate. but usually it doesnt tho.
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Lex is obsessed with death…. Is he still doing a 1000 push-ups a day?
yes, but the real life or death Q. is;
is maths invented or discovered?!
Language and Math are both magical.... Why do you think forming words is called, "spelling"... :)
@@3ast3rn3r
its not at all obv.
in fact most sources say its invented ...
i raised the subject because i first learned of _max tegmark_ on a UK tv series that posed that very question.
another Q. how do americans get the abbreviation 'math' from 'mathematics' ?
its patently 'maths' =)
@@3ast3rn3r i just feel that treating maths as an absolute, universal 'truth' is verging on religious ...
not unlike the intelligent design argument. i am inclined to think its our pattern seeking brains attempt at imposing order on chaos. honestly i dont know, i am agnostic.
It's mostly modelled
How about the planet is dying from all this "fruition". Are you ashamed?
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