True but I also think a lot of the woman that try to play like Parvati play way too hard from the start. Parvati on Cook Islands was more like Michele and Michele won the whole game. Parvati didn't really turn into "PARVATI" until after the Ozzy vote. She did get a tad drunk on her power but at that point she was in complete control of everything in that game so there was nothing that anyone could do about it.
@Volume .To make what I'm saying clearer I'm going to say Michele was more like Parvati on Cook Islands and the first half of Micronesia until the Ozzy vote out then she had a crazy amount of control.
It was different though back in season 20. She wasn't very well liked, and they all wanted to expose her as a bad winner and what they did was wake up a beast that took them all out. In season 40 she was seen as a legend and since she was also a mom, she was seen differently than she usually is. Also, the game had changed in season 20 Parvati was seen as one of the most ruthless players that have played the game. While in season 40 you could argue Parvati is one of the most loyal. Michele would be casted as a Hero in a new Heros vs Villains season, but you could argue that Michele is more ruthless in certain ways.
I mean, she did pioneer the most successful women's alliance that pretty much became the template / the thing to be wary of when people see 3 women talking by themselves. The 3 tribe split pretty much screwed all the old players over tho, due to sheer numbers.
@@gmsimon Vanuatu was run by a women’s alliance. She was ONE MEMBER of a women’s alliance. I really don’t like how Parvati is treated like she was the one member of the BWB with any agency and no women’s alliance had found success prior. I don’t wanna talk crap about her but she keeps getting credit at the expense of other women and it really bothers me :{
amber getting effectively last in WaW was honestly so disappointing, i think had she not played with rob again she would've been a shoe-in for merge. she wasn't even eliminated due to her own game, or anything that started within the game.
Your read on Russell's game is spot on. If the other villains knew how he played, Rob would've sent him packing the moment they lost a challenge. Given how dominant Rob was before Tyson got himself voted out, I genuinely think he'd've won had everyone known how Russell played
I do think that is what happened to Sugar. They had all seen how she played and wanted nothing to do with it and voted her out right away. However, I'd argue you need Sugar from a strategic standpoint if you are up against Parvati.
Sadly I wish that's how the season panned out, as a Rob fan I would have loved to see him win, but even if he didn't I would have preferred his alliance to go further compared to paranoid Russel, pervy Parv, and... Coach
@@zeaferjones1404 I remember reading that Dalton Ross spent time on the Hero's camp during the "media day" and he noted Sugar didn't fit in at all and he wasn't surprised she got voted off first. That was more a classic early in the season vote based on social dynamics than any strategic move.
I'm not a huge Boston Rob fan, but I always found it weird how no one ever mentions how bad of a move it was for Ben and especially Adam to vote him out. If they lose another challenge, one of them (probably Adam) goes for sure especially with Sarah having the vote steal and Sophie's idol. They shouldnt have voted him out or at least got the women to flush their advantages (even if they didn't know about the advantages)
I agree. Adam in particular got very lucky they didn't go to tribal again, especially since the double boot was the next episode. Unfortunately Rob instituting the buddy system backfired on him since he paused the game when he was (unknowingly) the consensus boot. All three guys played not-super-great that round in my opinion
@@IdoledOut Adam had said in his Reddit AMA that he wanted to work with Rob but Rob ironically imprisoned his own tribe when he was already the target of Sarah/Sophie/Ben, so he didn't have a choice. He also said it probably didn't make a difference as knowing how close the other three were, it's not likely Ben would have flipped on the Sarah/Sophie duo (also they had an idol and a vote steal.)
It’s a weird thing about Survivor that you not only gotta consider everyone strategic moves but also their emotional ones Edit: it’s why the term “social game” exists at all
@@IdoledOut I’ll be honest, I simply don’t think rob had a chance because of how swapscrewed he was. Imo while I think it is a flaw that he implemented the buddy system, I feel like that flaw is excusable due to how swapscrewed he really was
Based on post-game info, Spencer wanted to stick with Kass's bloc, but Joe decided to go with the other side, so the numbers weren't there. Even if he flipped his vote from Ciera to Tasha, the vote is 5-5-3 so Kass would've been voted out on the revote.
I’d give an honorable mention to Joe and Aubry on EoE. They both had pretty big reputations to begin with, but they were also placed on the intensely anti-returnee tribe Kama. Nobody but Aurora wanted to work with them. The only reason they lasted as long as they did is because Joe kept winning challenges for them.
Aubry 100%. I'd even throw her in for Gamechangers as well, as she was basically treated on the same level as a winner in that season from the start with Kaoh Rong ending just 2 weeks before GC started to be filmed.
Loved this video! Its always kinda scary when a contestant you love returns. But its exciting and fun to see them making it far again despite being targeted over and over again. I still find Parvati s run in HvsV incredible. She was literally the biggest target yet she almost won the game again. And Rob also did a great job on that season, considering he had a strong villain edit in All Stars
The only difference with Colby was that his advantage was that he was likeable and charming. He was in good graces in Mogo Mogo for a little while. Meanwhile, Tina/Jenna M/Rob C/Hatch/Ethan were dead people walking from day 1. Jenna M would've been an early boot despite a quit, Tina/Rob C/Hatch didn't survive a single tribal, and Ethan was constantly fighting for his life on the bottom of any tribe he was in. I'd argue Ethan's All-Stars game is severely underrated because he almost managed to squeak by into the merge.
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I'm curious if Joe and Aubry from Edge of Extinction should be on here. That season is the nail in the coffin that the cast of Guatemala wishes they could've driven because there was no way in hell they were letting returning players take their screen time, but was it the fault of Joe and Aubry for their reputations, or rather their luck of the draw to be placed on the intensely anti-returnee Kama tribe?
Joe was always going to be a target as soon as the merge hit reguardless. Aubry, after finishing 2 deep runs only two years prior, was absolutely dead in the water. Even if the swap worked out better for her. Even if she did play her idol. Even if she started on Manu instead of Kama, I honestly don't think she stood a chance with this cast. Which is a shame, cause all her pregame press showed that she was genuinely acknowledging her mistakes from her first two games and wanted to better herself. I can imagine it's hard to say no when Survivor asks you to play again, but in hindsight, it probably would have been better to call a raincheck and wait a couple years for her notoriety to die down a bit, and for another all returnees season instead of captains (still waiting on Survivor Runner-Up's Roundhouse). But at least everyone who was with her on Edge only had nice things to say about her.
I think Aubry and Joe from Edge had some of the biggest targets I've ever seen. Malcolm and Ozzy and Cirie also had big targets in Gamechangers, Cirie lasted but she woulda been a first boot if they hadn't swapped at 18 saving her from a tribal trip. Malcolm was taken out OVER SANDRA as the obvious target in that 2 tribe joint council where JT ruined everything. Then Ozzy went the minute the merge started. Cirie and Aubry lasted despite their target bc their numbers were needed. Gamechangers sucked for the big players. I also think Tyson and Parvati's Winners at War targets were tough to overcome.
@@IdoledOut I think you missed Vitas & Aras from BvW. Just like with Amber & Rob but Aras was a previous winner. Tyson blaming Aras for everything was hilarious strategy but his reasoning for it was 100% valid. Two more for the Massive Targets if They Returned: Chrissy from HHH and Angelina from DvG and hide all your jackets.
I also must add Sandra also got voted out right after a swap on day 16 in the Australian survivor aswell. So she either wins her season or get voted out after a swap on day 16
I will always find funny that the only “Game Changers” of that season were like 5 or 6? Lol Tony, Sandra, Malcolm, Cirie, Ciera, JT … the rest were like wtf people lol
Ozzy makes sense because of his "Vote me out, I'll return" strategy in South Pacific. The only reason that completely bombed is because Cochran flipped.
6:38, there are two of my favorite 3-time Survivor Non Winning Competitors- Ciera Eastin, and Malcolm Freberg. You know what's interesting is that each of the 3 seasons that Ciera and Malcolm had played in were remotely similar 1st season, they each had a big chance at winning the game due to their status as underdogs (Starting off on Tribes that lost the first 4 challenges before making a comeback), they each are one of the top 5 voted out. 2nd Season, they do quite well, but end up in the minority after the merge and are eventually one of the final ten voted out. 3rd season, they both get eliminated very early in the game. I like those two so much that, If I ever have kids in the future, I'd want to name my daughter 'Ciera', or 'Cici' for short, and I'd want to name my son 'Malcolm'.
Overall good list, but I'd have included Aubry's Game Changers appearance on her. Probably near the bottom of the list, it's true, but she was considered to have played a winner-caliber game by most of the players (including Sandra), on a season where winners or perceived winners were targeted as "too big of a threat", which is fairly impressive, especially as she didn't actually win. That's why I say only her EoE appearance was disappointing. Yes, Aubry did little on GC and was never really in control, but given the obstacles she had to overcome, even making it as far as she did was impressive
I think an honorable mention should be Kelley wentworth in EoE it felt like she was the target for most of the season and was a name tossed around so often.
How did the returnees on Edge of Extinction not even make this list? Almost everyone on Joe and Aubry's tribe wanted all four of the returnees gone ASAP and it was a theme up until they were all voted out.
Absolutely agree, Aubry was never making it out of that pre-merge alive and Joe goes immediately after losing immunity. Probst wanted a returning player to win and Kama was not having it lol
@@dancegregorydance6933 he did challenges nude and allegedly had rubbed against a female contestant during all-stars, and the dan situation was still very recent
Survivor SA spoilers: I know international Survivor doesn't apply to these lists, but I do want to give special mention to Chappies in Survivor South Africa: Return of the Outcasts. His first confessional was him talking about how much of a target he was, and it showed in the end, as he was blindsided at the first tribal council after a 3rd place finish in the season right before.
I think every season Parvati returned for is in my top 10. Micronesia - she had half of the favorites tribe on her ass, HvV she had 70% of the villains tribe and half of the merge tribe coming for her, and WaW it was the entire cast
WAW was different because most of the players respected Parvati and her being a mom sort of changed how she was seen. Heros vs Villains was a witch hunt the Heros were trying to take her out before the merge and Boston Rob procrastinated one vote which cost him the game, but Boston Rob wanted her out too. From what we've seen from her in Micronesia she didn't seem trustworthy at all but in Heros vs Villains she stayed loyal to the villains which helped her reputation as a player you'd want to team up with.
Shout-out to Australian Survivor Champions vs Contenders winner (spoiler) Shane Ghoul who when she appeared on All Stars was basically doomed because of her age and had no shot at winning.
I honestly feel like Parvati in WAW should've been given a spot since there wasn't a SINGLE Tribal that she went too until she got booted where her name wasn't at least in the conversation leading up to tribal
Parvati does flirt a lot but that isn't what makes her a great player that is just one of her skills. I think you overstate her flirting game and undersell her physical and strategic game. When she flirted with Nate on Cook Islands she was pissed when he got voted out. With James, she straight up told him her plan sort of like Lex does and she dragged Russell to the final 3. She really hasn't backstabbed the people she flirted with as much as people think. Her social game with females is what makes her really dangerous similar with Michele.
jenna morasca idt she had that same target. apparently according to her all stars dvd commentary, a couple of people on mogo mogo said that she was never a target even after the game. and ifya look at the people they did vote out, none of their reputations at the time were anywhere close to what jenna's was. hatch, colby, ethan, even jerri. jenna was always a much more low key player than any of them, and her style was a lot closer to shii-ann's or kathy's.
Jenna morasca was probably the less of a target winner if that makes any sense hatch & rob cesternino were probably the biggest targets going into all stars
The only reason why Russel made it to day 39 his second go around was because his first season hadn't aired yet so the players didn't have a clue. If it had, he'd have been toast early on.
let's be honest the dumbest move in survivor history was to vote out Russel on Redemption Island, he may be the biggest villain and could stab you in the back, but he would be loyal to his selected tribe no matter what, it's just the beginning stage of the game he is trying to survive.
People didn't understand that back then but sort of do now. I think that is why people weren't as scared of interacting with Parvati in WAW. The thing is Russell and Parvati brag a lot and they obnoxious winners but they are loyal in most cases. Parvati only backstabbed Ozzy and Russell only backstabbed Danielle (which Parvati was pissed about).
Plus he is great at challenges so while you hate the guy, you kind of want him around until around the merge and then you send him packing. Now if you let him stick around after the merge, then good luck.
Idk if this is a stupid idea but they should do a survivor season with early boots that burned out too quickly. Call it something like survivor: supernovas
From what I saw it was Kim and the way Kim had to grovel just so someone would talk to her sort of showed that. Although I do think Sarah was up there with Kim as a threat. I think that is why Parvati's threat level wasn't as big in WAW as it was in Heros vs Villains. Compared to Kim and Sarah, Parvati is extremely loyal and trustworthy. I think Parvati is a better strategist than them, but I do think Parvati doesn't like blindsiding her own alliance while Kim and Sarah don't care. The Ozzy move is actually a rare move for Parvati she doesn't back stab people as much as her reputation says.
I'm not sure you can say that Sandra was screwed by the swap when she was both in the majority alliance and had an idol that guaranteed her immunity for that specific vote. There's really not a better possible situation to be in, after a swap.
Idk which one he meant lol but in HvV.. her alliance didn't trust, or even like her, and then when she tried to warn the heroes and help them, no one would listen to her but Rupert lmao and then the Candice flip left her no options anyway but yeah other than the idol she wasn't really in a great position imo Edit: I'm in the wrong season lmao nvm
What do you think about a Survivor season of entirly repeating ( ALL from the same season playing for the 2nd time) cast? I think it would be interesting seeing how the cast regroups and treat/act to one another.
This would be a great idea, but the only way it works would be for everyone to sign two-season contracts. Otherwise, there's no way they could get eighteen people to all agree to do another season together, even if it's years in the future.
I think the 2nd season would have a reversed boot order. If the seasons were filmed back to back then only the players who made the merge know who the winner was for season 1. Blindsides and arguments would carry over to season 2 as well. It's an interesting concept and I think it would be a good idea if the winner of season 1 would be revealed after season 2 finishes.
Hatch & rob cesternino we’re the biggest targets going into all stars I think Jonny FairPlay was kind of a target going into Micronesia, I think Boston rob was kind of a target going into heroes vs villains I think he was the biggest target on winners at war, Russell hantz was a big target on redemption island, Tony & Sandra were the biggest targets going into game changers, Sandra was a big target on winners at war, apparently yul was too, I really thought that tony & Ben would be massive targets on winners at war, if domenick abbate & Rick devens ever play again they will be massive targets
I saw someone else do a video about that and Michele Fitzgerald is the most successful Parvati 2.0. The thing people forget about Parvati is she played sort of under the radar until she voted out Ozzy. I think people are just trying to find any flirty hot sort of obnoxious girl as next Parvati, but Parvati didn't really become obnoxious until she had full control. She's more like Michele than people think.
People downright lie about Parvati’s Micronesia game, tbh. It was considered a pretty low-tier win with a lot of stuff going her way to make it happen. HvV is what cemented her legacy. And she lost. It’s weird. She has more of a legacy after a season she lost (and probably had a not-great chance to win by endgame) but the her more quiet, measured game is treated like it was something it wasn’t.
So Russell have had a little finger in Tony's elimination in Game Changers? It not surprise me his envious of Tony since Tony have had a similar game as him in Cagayan but better, so I think he had a heart atack seeing Tony winning Winners at War and being two times winner while he didn't win any of his season 😂
No one was gunning for him until everyone in his tribe was on the same pre-game alliance. Honestly he was used as a pawn to get Parv out then discarded afterwards. I do wonder how the game would have gone if Yul didn't create the Poker Alliance.
@@zeaferjones1404 Everyone knew Parvati was a threat. Lol. Yul got tricked into voting with Michele and her alliance for 1 vote so her alliance could get the numbers. Things might have been very different if Yul allied with the other Old School players.
I was it then when he first appeared, I was it when he returned and I will always be #GayForSpencer. I just loved that guy from the first nanosecond he graced our screens. I had to do with the computer screen because I don’t own a channel survivor is on. We have Expeditie Robinson to make up for not having Survivor.
This is such a strange thing to say, but do you play magic the gathering? The seemless way you said "oops all targets" is a reference I think only an MTG player would have said.
I really wish Rob made it to the merge in WaW. I guarantee he wasn't going to win that season, but I think it was dumb to get rid of him before the merge since he is a huge target. He's smart to work with for his strategy and the fact everyone will want him out. I don't like the new school players needing to take out someone the minute they start to make a move, Adam and Ben really hurt themselves doing that.
It wasn't dumb for any of those that voted him out though. He had just tried to vote Adam out. Ben was closer to Sarah, and Sarah is the only reason he made it so far, it would have been super dumb to vote her out (and it was between her and Rob that vote). Sophie voting out Sarah over Rob would be even dumber for her. And of course when it comes to Ben and Adam, Rob is NEVER close to men on his seasons, and always picks women over men. Think of picking Jenna and Alicia over Lex (not even mentioning Amber since she is obvious), picking Natalie over Grant on Redemption Island, picking Vecepia over Sean on Marquesas. Rob is never close to any guys on any of his seasons, you can't name a single one he was close with or loyal too, Phillip does not count as he was a huge goat. So it would be super dumb for them to keep Rob ever. If you meant the entire group I would agree, but for those 5 and only a vote between Sarah and Rob, keeping Sarah was the easy choice.
Ben would have made FTC thanks to Sarah if he didn't basically quit at Final 5. The idea he imparticular should have ever kept Rob over Sarah is just laughable. With Rob he goes nowhere near as far.
I'm not sure who Libby is but I'm not sure if that is the right example. I would have said Hali or Jenn from Worlds Apart. Both women thought they were Parvati-like but they weren't nearly as strategic.
@@zeaferjones1404 Libby is one of the best examples purely because of her looks. Just because you don't know who she is doesn't mean she's not Parvati-like.
"What if you put Jeff Varner and Zeke together? No wait, scratch that" 🤣 Always drag Varner for that 🤣 Also, Sandra is definitely the only queen I respect 🙌
Yeah JT was a good pick for both his returning seasons. He was a game changer because he was not afraid to pull a move even if it meant he goes home. Dude played with all he had. I only question his gameplay on 34. He should have never opened his mouth about who Nuku was voting for.
He literally charmed everyone on Tocantins to the point they never considered voting him out because he was so nice. There is at least 1 confessional from a player where they admit they aren't voting JT because he's so nice. Don't remember the player though.
Parvati has such a big target on her that it extends to every attractive young woman who's played the game since Micronesia
True but I also think a lot of the woman that try to play like Parvati play way too hard from the start. Parvati on Cook Islands was more like Michele and Michele won the whole game. Parvati didn't really turn into "PARVATI" until after the Ozzy vote. She did get a tad drunk on her power but at that point she was in complete control of everything in that game so there was nothing that anyone could do about it.
@Volume .To make what I'm saying clearer I'm going to say Michele was more like Parvati on Cook Islands and the first half of Micronesia until the Ozzy vote out then she had a crazy amount of control.
no not rlly but stay mad mad female 😘
@@gheetuio8640 have you. ever heard of a joke my guy
"Are you writing your letter to Russell, buddy?" has the same dad energy as "Are you winning, son?"
Even 10 years after HvV, Parvati still had a huge target on her back for WaW.
It was different though back in season 20. She wasn't very well liked, and they all wanted to expose her as a bad winner and what they did was wake up a beast that took them all out. In season 40 she was seen as a legend and since she was also a mom, she was seen differently than she usually is. Also, the game had changed in season 20 Parvati was seen as one of the most ruthless players that have played the game. While in season 40 you could argue Parvati is one of the most loyal. Michele would be casted as a Hero in a new Heros vs Villains season, but you could argue that Michele is more ruthless in certain ways.
I mean, she did pioneer the most successful women's alliance that pretty much became the template / the thing to be wary of when people see 3 women talking by themselves.
The 3 tribe split pretty much screwed all the old players over tho, due to sheer numbers.
@@gmsimon Vanuatu was run by a women’s alliance. She was ONE MEMBER of a women’s alliance. I really don’t like how Parvati is treated like she was the one member of the BWB with any agency and no women’s alliance had found success prior. I don’t wanna talk crap about her but she keeps getting credit at the expense of other women and it really bothers me :{
@@thefoxoflaurels3437 but that women alliance didnt succeed I-
@@so_in_the_bottom_joshua How do you define a successful alliance, then?
amber getting effectively last in WaW was honestly so disappointing, i think had she not played with rob again she would've been a shoe-in for merge. she wasn't even eliminated due to her own game, or anything that started within the game.
Ambuh never had a game.
Your read on Russell's game is spot on. If the other villains knew how he played, Rob would've sent him packing the moment they lost a challenge. Given how dominant Rob was before Tyson got himself voted out, I genuinely think he'd've won had everyone known how Russell played
I do think that is what happened to Sugar. They had all seen how she played and wanted nothing to do with it and voted her out right away. However, I'd argue you need Sugar from a strategic standpoint if you are up against Parvati.
Sadly I wish that's how the season panned out, as a Rob fan I would have loved to see him win, but even if he didn't I would have preferred his alliance to go further compared to paranoid Russel, pervy Parv, and... Coach
@@zeaferjones1404 I remember reading that Dalton Ross spent time on the Hero's camp during the "media day" and he noted Sugar didn't fit in at all and he wasn't surprised she got voted off first. That was more a classic early in the season vote based on social dynamics than any strategic move.
I'm not a huge Boston Rob fan, but I always found it weird how no one ever mentions how bad of a move it was for Ben and especially Adam to vote him out. If they lose another challenge, one of them (probably Adam) goes for sure especially with Sarah having the vote steal and Sophie's idol. They shouldnt have voted him out or at least got the women to flush their advantages (even if they didn't know about the advantages)
I agree. Adam in particular got very lucky they didn't go to tribal again, especially since the double boot was the next episode. Unfortunately Rob instituting the buddy system backfired on him since he paused the game when he was (unknowingly) the consensus boot. All three guys played not-super-great that round in my opinion
@@IdoledOut Adam had said in his Reddit AMA that he wanted to work with Rob but Rob ironically imprisoned his own tribe when he was already the target of Sarah/Sophie/Ben, so he didn't have a choice. He also said it probably didn't make a difference as knowing how close the other three were, it's not likely Ben would have flipped on the Sarah/Sophie duo (also they had an idol and a vote steal.)
they literally lost their biggest meat shield
It’s a weird thing about Survivor that you not only gotta consider everyone strategic moves but also their emotional ones
Edit: it’s why the term “social game” exists at all
@@IdoledOut I’ll be honest, I simply don’t think rob had a chance because of how swapscrewed he was. Imo while I think it is a flaw that he implemented the buddy system, I feel like that flaw is excusable due to how swapscrewed he really was
3:40 I know you're saying "Tom's Palau game" but it sounds like "Tom's pullout game" and I just think that's very good and funny
LOL
jt’s little “yep” gets me EVERY TIME
"That make them the target of everyone and their mother" as Laura Morett appears in the vid lol
Based on post-game info, Spencer wanted to stick with Kass's bloc, but Joe decided to go with the other side, so the numbers weren't there. Even if he flipped his vote from Ciera to Tasha, the vote is 5-5-3 so Kass would've been voted out on the revote.
I’d give an honorable mention to Joe and Aubry on EoE. They both had pretty big reputations to begin with, but they were also placed on the intensely anti-returnee tribe Kama. Nobody but Aurora wanted to work with them. The only reason they lasted as long as they did is because Joe kept winning challenges for them.
Kelly w had a much bigger target then joe
Aubry 100%. I'd even throw her in for Gamechangers as well, as she was basically treated on the same level as a winner in that season from the start with Kaoh Rong ending just 2 weeks before GC started to be filmed.
Loved this video! Its always kinda scary when a contestant you love returns. But its exciting and fun to see them making it far again despite being targeted over and over again. I still find Parvati s run in HvsV incredible. She was literally the biggest target yet she almost won the game again. And Rob also did a great job on that season, considering he had a strong villain edit in All Stars
Hey! Didn’t expect to see you here.
6:43 Oh boy, the shade you're throwing on fan favorite game changer Sierra Dawn Thomas
Surprised Colby in All Stars wasn't included in the tie. He also had a huge target on his back after Australia.
Thought the same. His record for individual immunities made him "the guy" to beat
His target wasn't nearly as big as the previous winners though.
The only difference with Colby was that his advantage was that he was likeable and charming. He was in good graces in Mogo Mogo for a little while.
Meanwhile, Tina/Jenna M/Rob C/Hatch/Ethan were dead people walking from day 1. Jenna M would've been an early boot despite a quit, Tina/Rob C/Hatch didn't survive a single tribal, and Ethan was constantly fighting for his life on the bottom of any tribe he was in.
I'd argue Ethan's All-Stars game is severely underrated because he almost managed to squeak by into the merge.
"she's barely libby 1.0." DUDE, the digs are next level im cackling over here
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I'm curious if Joe and Aubry from Edge of Extinction should be on here. That season is the nail in the coffin that the cast of Guatemala wishes they could've driven because there was no way in hell they were letting returning players take their screen time, but was it the fault of Joe and Aubry for their reputations, or rather their luck of the draw to be placed on the intensely anti-returnee Kama tribe?
Joe was always going to be a target as soon as the merge hit reguardless.
Aubry, after finishing 2 deep runs only two years prior, was absolutely dead in the water. Even if the swap worked out better for her. Even if she did play her idol. Even if she started on Manu instead of Kama, I honestly don't think she stood a chance with this cast.
Which is a shame, cause all her pregame press showed that she was genuinely acknowledging her mistakes from her first two games and wanted to better herself. I can imagine it's hard to say no when Survivor asks you to play again, but in hindsight, it probably would have been better to call a raincheck and wait a couple years for her notoriety to die down a bit, and for another all returnees season instead of captains (still waiting on Survivor Runner-Up's Roundhouse).
But at least everyone who was with her on Edge only had nice things to say about her.
I agree, I thought they would be on this list.
For sure, Aubry was never making it out of the pre-merge alive and even if she played her idol, she probably goes to the edge right after.
I think Aubry and Joe from Edge had some of the biggest targets I've ever seen. Malcolm and Ozzy and Cirie also had big targets in Gamechangers, Cirie lasted but she woulda been a first boot if they hadn't swapped at 18 saving her from a tribal trip. Malcolm was taken out OVER SANDRA as the obvious target in that 2 tribe joint council where JT ruined everything. Then Ozzy went the minute the merge started. Cirie and Aubry lasted despite their target bc their numbers were needed. Gamechangers sucked for the big players. I also think Tyson and Parvati's Winners at War targets were tough to overcome.
I think an interesting video would be similar to this. Players that have not returned that if they were to return would be massive targets.
That's a fun idea! Off the top of my head, Dom, Christian, Devens, Shan, and Ricard would all be major targets right away
@@IdoledOut I think you missed Vitas & Aras from BvW. Just like with Amber & Rob but Aras was a previous winner. Tyson blaming Aras for everything was hilarious strategy but his reasoning for it was 100% valid.
Two more for the Massive Targets if They Returned: Chrissy from HHH and Angelina from DvG and hide all your jackets.
Billy and War Dog...
;)
Nadiya. Because the players can't be sure that it isn't Natalie.
@@garycarter6773 yes
I also must add Sandra also got voted out right after a swap on day 16 in the Australian survivor aswell. So she either wins her season or get voted out after a swap on day 16
Yep.
Was there a tribal council on day 16 in Sandra's first 2 seasons?
I will always find funny that the only “Game Changers” of that season were like 5 or 6? Lol Tony, Sandra, Malcolm, Cirie, Ciera, JT … the rest were like wtf people lol
i blame CBS jeff had a much better idea for a season than game changers and he was going to do that idea instead
Ozzy makes sense because of his "Vote me out, I'll return" strategy in South Pacific. The only reason that completely bombed is because Cochran flipped.
@@jolteon345 i forgot Ozzy was there 😅
tbf, michaela is a pretty top tier "wtf" pick. i want her and tai on every season tbh.
That season would’ve made more sense to be champions vs challengers
6:38, there are two of my favorite 3-time Survivor Non Winning Competitors- Ciera Eastin, and Malcolm Freberg. You know what's interesting is that each of the 3 seasons that Ciera and Malcolm had played in were remotely similar
1st season, they each had a big chance at winning the game due to their status as underdogs (Starting off on Tribes that lost the first 4 challenges before making a comeback), they each are one of the top 5 voted out.
2nd Season, they do quite well, but end up in the minority after the merge and are eventually one of the final ten voted out.
3rd season, they both get eliminated very early in the game.
I like those two so much that, If I ever have kids in the future, I'd want to name my daughter 'Ciera', or 'Cici' for short, and I'd want to name my son 'Malcolm'.
Be careful, she might vote you off
I so agree! They have such similar play patterns, and their performance records are also very alike
Your videos are great, man. Really good wit and love the discussion you bring
Overall good list, but I'd have included Aubry's Game Changers appearance on her. Probably near the bottom of the list, it's true, but she was considered to have played a winner-caliber game by most of the players (including Sandra), on a season where winners or perceived winners were targeted as "too big of a threat", which is fairly impressive, especially as she didn't actually win. That's why I say only her EoE appearance was disappointing. Yes, Aubry did little on GC and was never really in control, but given the obstacles she had to overcome, even making it as far as she did was impressive
I think an honorable mention should be Kelley wentworth in EoE it felt like she was the target for most of the season and was a name tossed around so often.
How did the returnees on Edge of Extinction not even make this list? Almost everyone on Joe and Aubry's tribe wanted all four of the returnees gone ASAP and it was a theme up until they were all voted out.
Absolutely agree, Aubry was never making it out of that pre-merge alive and Joe goes immediately after losing immunity. Probst wanted a returning player to win and Kama was not having it lol
I think it’s a bummer we’ll never see Hatch play again. He’s always been such a character it’d be interesting to see how he plays so many years later!
I would truly have loved to see him on winner at war. Maybe season 50 there's a chance, but honestly survivor is a bit too pc for hatch now
Why was he blackballed from returning?
@@dancegregorydance6933 he did challenges nude and allegedly had rubbed against a female contestant during all-stars, and the dan situation was still very recent
@@chargingbadger867 oh ew? But isn’t he gay?
@@dancegregorydance6933 yeah, i don't know if it was intentional or not
Just starting the video but I’ll be shocked if Hatch in All Stars isn’t #1. The first winner ever? How much more of a target do you need?
Survivor SA spoilers:
I know international Survivor doesn't apply to these lists, but I do want to give special mention to Chappies in Survivor South Africa: Return of the Outcasts. His first confessional was him talking about how much of a target he was, and it showed in the end, as he was blindsided at the first tribal council after a 3rd place finish in the season right before.
I think every season Parvati returned for is in my top 10. Micronesia - she had half of the favorites tribe on her ass, HvV she had 70% of the villains tribe and half of the merge tribe coming for her, and WaW it was the entire cast
WAW was different because most of the players respected Parvati and her being a mom sort of changed how she was seen. Heros vs Villains was a witch hunt the Heros were trying to take her out before the merge and Boston Rob procrastinated one vote which cost him the game, but Boston Rob wanted her out too. From what we've seen from her in Micronesia she didn't seem trustworthy at all but in Heros vs Villains she stayed loyal to the villains which helped her reputation as a player you'd want to team up with.
1-10. Every popular player in all stars
This is why I made the top two a covert top five
thought Joe or Aubrey would make this list. Any reason why they didn't. Kama was aggressively targeting them in EoE
Bro that last tax line about hatch killed me
FairPlay should definitely be on here. There were Favorites that wanted to work with him and drag him far but the fans hated him. sadly he qui.
I would have liked to see the strategic chess match between Parvati and Fairplay.
I love Jonny FairPlay probst just hates him
Shout-out to Australian Survivor Champions vs Contenders winner (spoiler) Shane Ghoul who when she appeared on All Stars was basically doomed because of her age and had no shot at winning.
Both Shane and Jericho were dead winners walking.
Spencer can’t leave to be on his own, even though he’s got the whole world to see
Hey Luke,
Thank you for teaching me what hagiography is.
Much love.
For #2 5 players Richard Hatch was another winner on that season with a huge target being the first ever winner
Haha LOL I noticed it and than he was the next one
And THIS is why you watch a video all the way through before even looking at the comments.
:)
i think we all knew Richard Hatch was gonna be number 1 😂
I honestly feel like Parvati in WAW should've been given a spot since there wasn't a SINGLE Tribal that she went too until she got booted where her name wasn't at least in the conversation leading up to tribal
Before I wven watched the video, I immediately thought Of Richard in All-Stars. He had no chance at all. He was toast.
Spencer didn’t actually vote Kass in the Cambodia merge vote. He did Ciera
Great video!
Parvati does flirt a lot but that isn't what makes her a great player that is just one of her skills. I think you overstate her flirting game and undersell her physical and strategic game. When she flirted with Nate on Cook Islands she was pissed when he got voted out. With James, she straight up told him her plan sort of like Lex does and she dragged Russell to the final 3. She really hasn't backstabbed the people she flirted with as much as people think. Her social game with females is what makes her really dangerous similar with Michele.
Russel dragged her to final three
She plays the Hoe Game.
Been waiting for this
Wassup me
The Thanos being killed by Peppa Potts line slayed me. I laughed like a maniac
The monarchy comment was fantastic! and I fully agree... there is no other monarchy worth acknowledgeing :D
Amber and Cirie were also huge threats whenever they played again
✨The monarchy imo✨
King: Tony
Queen: Sandra
Princess: Parvati
Prince: Boston Rob
🤨🤐
Surrised, Yao Man didn't make it on. His return was so beloved by the fans tribe and hated by Cirie
The comparison of Fire Tokens to NFT is sooo spot on. LOL
You're got to love the fact that a woman who two different people blew up their games to try to eliminate is only fourth on the list.
jenna morasca idt she had that same target. apparently according to her all stars dvd commentary, a couple of people on mogo mogo said that she was never a target even after the game. and ifya look at the people they did vote out, none of their reputations at the time were anywhere close to what jenna's was. hatch, colby, ethan, even jerri. jenna was always a much more low key player than any of them, and her style was a lot closer to shii-ann's or kathy's.
Jenna morasca was probably the less of a target winner if that makes any sense hatch & rob cesternino were probably the biggest targets going into all stars
Lol great Richard Hatch tax jab at the end. I was wondering where you were going with that at first....
The only reason why Russel made it to day 39 his second go around was because his first season hadn't aired yet so the players didn't have a clue. If it had, he'd have been toast early on.
The last line of the video is the best part.
Love the Thanos-Pepper Potts joke.
I saw the tax joke coming, still didn't stop me cracking up ahaha
let's be honest the dumbest move in survivor history was to vote out Russel on Redemption Island, he may be the biggest villain and could stab you in the back, but he would be loyal to his selected tribe no matter what, it's just the beginning stage of the game he is trying to survive.
People didn't understand that back then but sort of do now. I think that is why people weren't as scared of interacting with Parvati in WAW. The thing is Russell and Parvati brag a lot and they obnoxious winners but they are loyal in most cases. Parvati only backstabbed Ozzy and Russell only backstabbed Danielle (which Parvati was pissed about).
Agreed
Plus he is great at challenges so while you hate the guy, you kind of want him around until around the merge and then you send him packing. Now if you let him stick around after the merge, then good luck.
Idk if this is a stupid idea but they should do a survivor season with early boots that burned out too quickly. Call it something like survivor: supernovas
That tax joke at the end of the video is mint
Which one-time players would have the biggest targets upon a return? Devens and Domenick are obvious choices, who else?
Another person commented this and Idoled Out responded the ones off the top of his head.
devon too
I feel like Aubry on EoE should have at least an honorable mention here
In all the pregame press for winners at war Sarah was most everybody’s number 1 target
From what I saw it was Kim and the way Kim had to grovel just so someone would talk to her sort of showed that. Although I do think Sarah was up there with Kim as a threat. I think that is why Parvati's threat level wasn't as big in WAW as it was in Heros vs Villains. Compared to Kim and Sarah, Parvati is extremely loyal and trustworthy. I think Parvati is a better strategist than them, but I do think Parvati doesn't like blindsiding her own alliance while Kim and Sarah don't care. The Ozzy move is actually a rare move for Parvati she doesn't back stab people as much as her reputation says.
I'm not sure you can say that Sandra was screwed by the swap when she was both in the majority alliance and had an idol that guaranteed her immunity for that specific vote. There's really not a better possible situation to be in, after a swap.
I think they meant the second swap in Game Changers was when she was screwed.
Idk which one he meant lol but in HvV.. her alliance didn't trust, or even like her, and then when she tried to warn the heroes and help them, no one would listen to her but Rupert lmao and then the Candice flip left her no options anyway but yeah other than the idol she wasn't really in a great position imo
Edit: I'm in the wrong season lmao nvm
Fitting that Sandra made the list twice.
I just realized something
No swap = Sandra wins
Swap = Sandra loses
Just recently the TH-camr Dead Meat gave a shoutout to you for your edgic video
What do you think about a Survivor season of entirly repeating ( ALL from the same season playing for the 2nd time) cast? I think it would be interesting seeing how the cast regroups and treat/act to one another.
This would be a great idea, but the only way it works would be for everyone to sign two-season contracts. Otherwise, there's no way they could get eighteen people to all agree to do another season together, even if it's years in the future.
I think the 2nd season would have a reversed boot order. If the seasons were filmed back to back then only the players who made the merge know who the winner was for season 1. Blindsides and arguments would carry over to season 2 as well.
It's an interesting concept and I think it would be a good idea if the winner of season 1 would be revealed after season 2 finishes.
Hatch & rob cesternino we’re the biggest targets going into all stars I think Jonny FairPlay was kind of a target going into Micronesia, I think Boston rob was kind of a target going into heroes vs villains I think he was the biggest target on winners at war, Russell hantz was a big target on redemption island, Tony & Sandra were the biggest targets going into game changers, Sandra was a big target on winners at war, apparently yul was too, I really thought that tony & Ben would be massive targets on winners at war, if domenick abbate & Rick devens ever play again they will be massive targets
Tony the GOAT, my favorite winning season I’ve ever watched
not the varner and zeke reference 💀
honorable mention :
Aubry on game changers & EoE
Joe on EoE
Have you made a list about the Parvati 2.0 archetype?
I saw someone else do a video about that and Michele Fitzgerald is the most successful Parvati 2.0. The thing people forget about Parvati is she played sort of under the radar until she voted out Ozzy. I think people are just trying to find any flirty hot sort of obnoxious girl as next Parvati, but Parvati didn't really become obnoxious until she had full control. She's more like Michele than people think.
People downright lie about Parvati’s Micronesia game, tbh. It was considered a pretty low-tier win with a lot of stuff going her way to make it happen.
HvV is what cemented her legacy. And she lost. It’s weird. She has more of a legacy after a season she lost (and probably had a not-great chance to win by endgame) but the her more quiet, measured game is treated like it was something it wasn’t.
So Russell have had a little finger in Tony's elimination in Game Changers? It not surprise me his envious of Tony since Tony have had a similar game as him in Cagayan but better, so I think he had a heart atack seeing Tony winning Winners at War and being two times winner while he didn't win any of his season 😂
Can you do a video on most paranoid survivor players??
what about Yul!! He was such a good strategist and I get winners at war was all returning players but I thought he would get further :(
No one was gunning for him until everyone in his tribe was on the same pre-game alliance. Honestly he was used as a pawn to get Parv out then discarded afterwards. I do wonder how the game would have gone if Yul didn't create the Poker Alliance.
@@cjtrules1 The thing was Yul was one of the first that saw Parvati for the threat that she was, but I do think he underestimated Michele.
@@zeaferjones1404 Everyone knew Parvati was a threat. Lol. Yul got tricked into voting with Michele and her alliance for 1 vote so her alliance could get the numbers. Things might have been very different if Yul allied with the other Old School players.
Honorable Mention of Russell on SurvivorAU?? Might just be a thought from me lol
How tf did you not put Cierra from Gamechangers on this list?
If Ciera isn’t high on this list I’m going to be shocked. She was screwed in game changers
Correction they rewrote survivor from being a game show style social experiment to a official game show
No S38 returnee?😅 Kinda shock. Btw 10 lest returnee threat sounds cool too😃
do a best parvaiti 2.0 vid plz that would b a fun one
I was it then when he first appeared, I was it when he returned and I will always be #GayForSpencer. I just loved that guy from the first nanosecond he graced our screens. I had to do with the computer screen because I don’t own a channel survivor is on. We have Expeditie Robinson to make up for not having Survivor.
12:02 I can not even imagine him with Amber
Colby wasn't in the cirie camp
"Alleged game changers"
*spans to Sierra*
Why is it always her? 😭😭😭
Who is the girl at 0:41?
Haha I like how this list is winners, Russell (one of the most dominant players ever), Rob C ("the best player to never win") and ............ Kass?
This is such a strange thing to say, but do you play magic the gathering? The seemless way you said "oops all targets" is a reference I think only an MTG player would have said.
I really wish Rob made it to the merge in WaW. I guarantee he wasn't going to win that season, but I think it was dumb to get rid of him before the merge since he is a huge target. He's smart to work with for his strategy and the fact everyone will want him out. I don't like the new school players needing to take out someone the minute they start to make a move, Adam and Ben really hurt themselves doing that.
He was definitely the biggest target in winners at war
It wasn't dumb for any of those that voted him out though. He had just tried to vote Adam out. Ben was closer to Sarah, and Sarah is the only reason he made it so far, it would have been super dumb to vote her out (and it was between her and Rob that vote). Sophie voting out Sarah over Rob would be even dumber for her. And of course when it comes to Ben and Adam, Rob is NEVER close to men on his seasons, and always picks women over men. Think of picking Jenna and Alicia over Lex (not even mentioning Amber since she is obvious), picking Natalie over Grant on Redemption Island, picking Vecepia over Sean on Marquesas. Rob is never close to any guys on any of his seasons, you can't name a single one he was close with or loyal too, Phillip does not count as he was a huge goat. So it would be super dumb for them to keep Rob ever. If you meant the entire group I would agree, but for those 5 and only a vote between Sarah and Rob, keeping Sarah was the easy choice.
@@58twright No Sandra was. The only two time winner in the game.
Ben would have made FTC thanks to Sarah if he didn't basically quit at Final 5. The idea he imparticular should have ever kept Rob over Sarah is just laughable. With Rob he goes nowhere near as far.
That Libby drag was sooooo wrong
Right! I loved Libby.
I'm not sure who Libby is but I'm not sure if that is the right example. I would have said Hali or Jenn from Worlds Apart. Both women thought they were Parvati-like but they weren't nearly as strategic.
@@zeaferjones1404 Libby is one of the best examples purely because of her looks. Just because you don't know who she is doesn't mean she's not Parvati-like.
There's nothing that could make Boston Rawb look heroic to me. Lex forever!
Before the video starts number 1 is def Russell in 21
Thought so too but Hatch makes sense.
Imagine how different Survivor is if Kelly and Richard chose opposite numbers in that final tribal. Does it even become a hit show?
Greg would vote for Richard regardless, the question is, if Sue never initiated the Rats and Snakes speech.
"What if you put Jeff Varner and Zeke together? No wait, scratch that" 🤣 Always drag Varner for that 🤣 Also, Sandra is definitely the only queen I respect 🙌
5:48 Woah! Spoiler alert! I had no idea Jon Snow ends up killing Queen Cersei.
Surprised Rob wasnt included for HvV. He played the most dominant mob style game in the most elite season before HvV and was a huge target.
Rich shouldn’t have gotten naked in all stars. He should have been more chill and humble.
Tell me again: why was JT on "HvsV" again?
Can't tell if sarcastic or not, but the guy was immensely popular after his dominating Tocantins win. He was a shoo-in for HvV easily.
Yeah JT was a good pick for both his returning seasons. He was a game changer because he was not afraid to pull a move even if it meant he goes home. Dude played with all he had. I only question his gameplay on 34. He should have never opened his mouth about who Nuku was voting for.
He literally charmed everyone on Tocantins to the point they never considered voting him out because he was so nice. There is at least 1 confessional from a player where they admit they aren't voting JT because he's so nice. Don't remember the player though.
@@cjtrules1 Thanks for telling me.