Donnie Kane haha, I did NOT get the best price. Paid the full retail value. If you wanna get yourself the best price, you simply have to wait for Canon to put it on sale. Canon changes it’s sales deals every month, so it’ll probably be on sale every 3-5 months. Canon regulates its prices through its distributors much like Apple does for MacBook Pro, but Canon is much more generous in their sales offers. At one point, the EOS RP was on sale for $500 off. So my advice is to wait for it to go on sale because you’d be hard-pressed to find it cheaper than Canons pricing at any other regular retailer. The other way to get discounts is to go through the used market on EBay. I wouldn’t personally buy a used camera body, so be careful if that’s the route you choose.
Personally in hindsight, I think the strategy of focusing on premium lenses first, and pairing them with "good enough" bodies is sort of brilliant. Plenty of time to perfect the premium bodies, while making improvements with firmware updates with the R and the RP. Just picked up the RP and I'm happy with it.
Agreed. I am a professional photographer predominantly for portraits, business profiles, real estate, landscape and the occasional wedding. The RP is a great camera thats easy to use and shoots phenomenal stills and is great in low light. The R of course offers a few more options but as far as image quality you will not see a difference in my opinion. I upgraded from the 5d MarkIII. Big difference!
THAT is what I've been wanting to know -- how the RP performs in low light at high ISOs. Is there much noise? I'm looking for an upgrade to 80d. My main priority is high quality, low noise images at high ISO. I shoot a lot in low light situations.
The RP for $999 right now with the adapter and extension grip is a steal. I say get the RP and put your money into the RF lenses, that's where the real magic is and what I did.
I've been using RP for about one month, around 1200 shutter. No complain at all... It is perfect for a casual photographer like me. But yes, a battery grip would be awesome..
Thank you! Almost all the reviews for the RP are pre 1.4 firmware and are usually pretty harsh on it. I’ve had the RP for a couple weeks and I love it! I think it’s really under rated right now.
Ralph, really appreciate how you make things so easy to understand. We agree with you on the 4K feature, it is great to see the quality but in reality not many people gets to see it on their mobile devices. 1080 is great and most of the time, even when we shoot 4k we have to upload to 1080 so, anyway, 4k is not a deal breaker at all
Well, the benefit of 4K is that we can downsample to 1080p thus giving you better colors and more clarity/sharpness. Plus, when you do shoot at 4K, what if you wanted to add a slider like shot? But you don’t have the money for a professional camera slider, shooting at 4K you can do a digital slider shot! Granted, you do lose some resolution, but what’s difference between doing that and shooting a 30+ mp image and cropping in on your subject? I understand, that you personally don’t care about 4K, but this camera is tailored for everyone else who genuinely appreciate the benefit of shooting 4K.
@@Faded.Visuals yes agree, the camera must be awesome, we are not saying is bad or not worth it; I was just giving our point of view from our usage and perspective, we weren't critizing the camera. We wouldn't dare to critize something we don't own and haven't used.
It’s hard to go wrong with either of these. My ONLY hesitation with the RP is the smaller battery. If it took an LPE6, I’d definitely love to have one as a companion to the R. Side note- even though the cropped 4K can be a hurdle, scaling up the 1080 footage yields really excellent results.
You're really convincing me that Canon made a smart move releasing the EOS R series camera!! At first it seems like it's missing features you need, but as you've pointed out in a few videos, it has basically everything you do need, at a great price.
Having owned both, I kept the RP and sold the R. Two deciding factors were weight and the “real” mode dial. The money I saved I put it towards a RF 50mm f1.2
I think both are good but not great. I got the RP and for me, my insta and TH-cam, its awesome. And a great way to get into fullframe and the RF lenses. You can still switch to later canon models. Although i love my RP so much.
@@HyunRalphJeong I think the rumored EF/RF hybrid mount is the most interesting. Instant swapping between EF & RF lenses with the Rs, for example. So, pros in the past used White L lenses and in the future, do NOT use an adapter. 😊
Great! I have the RP and for me is super excellent!!! Then I saved some money for the next R with more features like dual card slot and more resolution... I appreciate your comparison! Thanks! My shooting style is happy with the RP for now! Also, looking for RF lenses is the way to go! I can't wait to see Sigma future lenses for the RF mount!
Exactly why i bought the RP. Been shooting for 15 years using canon and it took me til 2019 to try out mirrorless.. I don't see much benefit on eos r over rp for my needs. When the eos r successor with dual card and faster fps will come out then i might get it and use my rp as backup. Amazing how tiny eos rp is! The RF lenses though expensive looks really promising.
I feel that at the starting price of basically 1000 USD, 4K should be an option in today's modern era. Since I do mostly videos it's not necessarily a must to have 4K, but I feel more comfortable shooting in 4K when I have the option to as it gives a greater amount of flexibility in post where I may want to crop in on something. Also depending on the types of video you shoot, AF may not be needed but it's still a good thing to have in the event you aren't able to just simply manually focus on subjects especially if they are moving around a lot. Great review though keep up the good work 👍
I've add cinestyle to the RP to help maximize dynamic range and also to have the ability to color grade. Would love to see if there is a different between grading clog vs cinestyle.
Yeah some people complain, and some people find solutions haha. I'm not the most sophisticated video shooter/editor but I can't imagine there being too much practical differences. I think it just comes down to personal preference.
@@joaomarveloso1049 it's a bit late but just download EOS Utility and Cinestyle on your laptop, connect your camera to the laptop and add Cinestyle through EOS Utility to your camera and you're basically done. There's tons of tutorials out there so check it out before you do it just in case.
Always appreciate your honesty and how you clearly explain which one will benefit you the most based on your needs. An extra $800 is quite a bit of money. Appreciate the notes about camera weight and how comfortable they are or not.
Can you also do one between the RP and 6D Mark II? R and RP is pretty obvious for me, I can't afford the R so I don't really need to watch the video and I'd go for the RP. But the RP and 6D Mark II have a pretty close price especially when you take into consideration 2nd hand. Which one would you recommend?
hi, nice review. did you forgot to mention weather sealing? or perhaps the fact that the EOS R has protection for the sensor when you remove the lens. Might be useful to know for some folks
not worried about the difference in image quality to be honest. what I am worried about is the lack of the dust cover to protect the sensor on the RP. Is it a big deal? is it easy for the sensor to get damaged without it?
I've owned both of these cameras, and I actually liked using RP better than R. I liked the mode dial on RP vs how you change modes on R. I also liked Jpeg Output from RP better than from R. Here are the problems I found with RP: 1) 1/4000. AS Canon is releasing all these F1.2 lenses and even with my older 85L lens, you run out of that 1/4000 rather quickly. There is a way to switch RP to ISO low (50) but it screws the DR and also when you turn the RP off and back on, it is back to ISO100, it does not stay at ISO50. 2) and that's a big one. Lightroom refuses to provide profiles for RP, it had several Lightroom updates since RP has been released but Lightroom has refused to provide native profiles for RP. And Adobe profiles for RP are horrible and look nothing like RP. So you are forced to shoot Jpeg with RP, or you are forced to process your files differently, and if Lightroom is your usual work flow, you are screwed. Lightroom does provide raw profiles for R 3) RP only has Electronic First Shutter and you cannot turn it off (I've never seen another camera like that)... so it is really quiet on one hand, on the other hand, if you want to shoot with Flash at fast speeds around 1/2000 and faster, you will start having usual issues associated with Electronic first shutter and high speed flash use. Since you have not addressed any of the above issues, I am curious to know what you think about them.
Yeah, my problem of the RP from the beginning was that Canon was treating it as a "beginner" camera for a "mid-range" price. There's an argument that typical RP users won't care about most of these issues and they won't be buying any expensive lenses but to some intermediate-pro users, it's a big downgrade. Good news for casual shooters though, is that Canon seems to be working on a lot of cheaper RF lenses for next year and Samyang and Sigma are now also joining in too.
I got the RP for the same reasons you mentioned. I don't normally shoot video and I'm fine with full-frame 1080p recording quality. With the extra money I bought 4 extra 3rd party batteries, a new camera bag, a couple more SD cards, an Arca-swiss compatible L-bracket, an Arca-swiss compatible tripod head, a new set of travel tripod legs, and a 1993 EF 80-200mm f/2.8L. I bought mine back in the spring so it came with the EF adapter for free.
Thanks always for explaining things easy to understand. Videos like this make people less afraid of photography and of buying a new camera! Still, not decided which one we'd get. We should sit down and write our needs...then we could decide :)
Also, don’t forget to mention the eos rp has a max shutter speed of 1/4000 and also no way of making it full mechanical shutter. A problem if one shoots flash a lot and/or HSS. I exchanged my rp for an R after running into this problem and looking online that it’s an RP limitation. Not an issue for hobbyists that don’t shoot flash however.
Very true. I guess Canon thought not a lot of RP users would buy expensive fast primes or use HSS and that's probably true but just another example of their crippling their cameras...
So I own the EOS R and various RF and L lenses. I have a different recommendation for someone who is looking for a good camera with great features and even excellent editing tools - get the iPhone Pro Max. You get three built in lenses, it’s with you all the time, amazing images, easy to use, share photos in real time... and you can even use it to make calls.
Anyone deciding between these two if you have older canon cameras, just keep in mind that the eos R uses the common lp-e6 but the RP doesn't. One of the factors why I picked the R.
I'm in between getting the R or the RP and like you I thought well I have 2 lpe6 from the 90d so Eos R ... But then I realised I payed about 30€ for the two and the diff between r and RP is 600-700€ so ... 😄
Hi there, I am totally new to the photography field although I have always loved taking photos on my iPhone. I am planning to buy a camera, my friends told me like sony is better than canon but, my bf wants me to get a canon. I want to use the camera mainly to take my family picture and take photos of nature (traveling) and the print+frame it ( give as a gift to friends and relatives ). So I would like to know if Canon RP is good to take photos and print it? What do I need to know to know regarding photo printing in relation to a camera? I would really appreciate it if you could reply to this comment. Thank you kindly.
if the RP used the LP battery it would be a no brainer purchase for most. I hate carrying multiple batteries and chargers. If your going to invest in a new battery system, you might as well look at different camera options. hence why i went with the fuji xe3, small and portable, tons of bells and whistles (eye af, 4k, decent shutter speed) and cheaper. i bought the camera body, 23mm f2 lens, thumb grip and a wooden shutter release button for $800. added a nice leather half camera cover for $50. the only thing missing is a swivel screen, i dont vlog ever... but im sure you can use your phone as a screen and remote using the fuji remote app. I love the idea of the RP the only flaw is price vs others in the same price range, battery. canon actually hurt their own sales when they decided to cripple it from the start... nice to see they've backed stepped a little.
Thanks for another insightful video. Two things which keeps me away of the RP are 1. the lack of DP autofocus in 4K and 2. the much lower bitrates... could you please share tour views on bitrates based on your personal experience? Cheers.
@@lovddmp Could you elaborate on that? Super35 is the most common size amongst cinema cameras and I would find it hard to believe that the bump to full frame alone innately means better video quality (other than better low light and shallower DoF)
@@aloi larger sensor means, more detail, higher dynamic range, better low light performance. Some cinema cameras are moving towards full frame sensors. I assume super 35 sensor could be due to cost factor among other things, but I could be wrong.
Thank you. I'm not the most sophisticated video shooter/editor, but I don't think the bitrates or file formats really affect how the videos look straight from the camera especially in good lighting. Based on my experience, the videos from R and RP look virtually identical and I can't really tell the difference while grading them too.
Very informative video. I know I'm a bit late to the party, but does the EOS RP have a 1080 crop mode(1.6x) like the EOS R? And if it does, is the 60fps option greyed out as well? Thanks in advance.
Needed a second body to my Canon EOS R6, beeing a hybrid shooter. Having 4k with autofocus, C-log and the option of the 10bit with an external recorder were the main selling points for me.
What do you think will give me the best picture quality? Canon EOS RP, m6 mark ii or Nikon Z5. I'm only interested in taking photos, jpegs. I'm a casual shooter, I'm into street photography, portraits, sunsets, etc No action photography or video. I'd be using one of these cameras with a kit lens, at least for the first year. I know their specs on paper, I know that Nikon has got in-body stabilization, two card slots, weather sealing. But I won't be shooting to make money at weddings or in bad weather. Based on the sample pictures I've seen online, Nikon and m6 seem to produce sharper looking jpegs. I do like to crop, so the amount of detail matters to me. I've held all three camera in a store, and the RP felt best in my hands. Btw, I'll be stepping up from Panasonic G7, and the RP isn't much heavier or bigger. But again, it seems that the photos it produces are not as good as the other two. Your advice please.
Thanks for the video! I had the Eos RP as well and did a review on it. For what it can do it is really quite good, of course the R is the better one but people should check investigate on what they really need. Do you need all the bells and whistles then the R is the one. If you just need the basics the the RP will suit you fine
Haven't even watched the video yet but this is the question I'm asking myself right now. Love your content man! Hopefully this video helps me make a decision.
I just wish the RP had a better battery life, or a official battery grip! Cause is a really good camera, and it's a good entry for the mirroless Canon world, if you do photography is almost perfect! Also you can save some battery life if don't use the bigger screen all the time! Any way great video man! Congrats!
Agree with you regarding the feature of 4K. I am from India ( leave in a metro city) and in the post covid19 pandemic situation all TH-cam videos are streaming at max.480p due to bandwidth issue. There is no proper timeline whenever this restrictions will lifted. So 4K, 6K even 8K are literally optional to me
Thanks for the Review, nice comparison! There is a lot of talk about the RPs video quality (or lack thereof) for content rich video productions. Has anybody used the RP for small documentary production or amateur film video productions? Any comments? or would you all just say go for the EOS if you want to do video? Thanks for sharing.
Hi ... thanks for such an wonderful video. I have been using canon 1500D since past 1.5 yrs. Now planning to upgrade the camera since i am starting photography as profession. My main focus area is food, product and interior design. I feel either rp or r will work for me but not very sure. Also one major factor which i feel is the sensor curtain (since i do lot of nature photography as outdoors). Honestly i am so confused which one to go for is it R or RP .... 😂😂 any suggestions on this?
Congrats for the video but i have a question. Many people mention that between the R and the RP the main deference is the shadows. If you will raise the shadows in lightroom. In the RP the noise will be much more. Is that right? Thank you!
vassilismac Hi and thank you. Based on my experience, the difference is pretty negligible. Neither cameras’ sensors are great when it comes to dynamic range and I don’t think it’s worth spending more to get the R just for that reason. If you are a landscape shooter, having more headroom to work with is nice, but with almost everything else, I find it not always necessary. I hope this helps!
I feel if your going to do lots of video, get the EOS R, it is getting great reviews on the video side and it has C-log. Yeah you need to play to get use to it, but it gives you much better control over Dynamic range when it is blown out or to dark. This is something you can’t always correct or control in camera due to the shooting situation. The RP will hold its own in the stills department.
Thank you for this video. I use the Canon RP but for a short time. It is compact and light and that's what I liked most about replacing my 6D MII that I sold. I used the RP with a Canon 35 f2 is usm, a Canon 40mm f 2.8 stm. But finally I bought the RF 50 f1.8 stm which is a Combo. perfect with the RP. I therefore look forward to the RF 16mm. { I noticed by comparing my EF lenses and my RF 50mm f1.8, that on my RP the RF 50 returned more contrasted images, less natural than with my EF 40mm and 35 f2 lenses is usm ?! I did portrait tests by changing the Image Styles, but despite everything the images with the RF 50 are more contrasted?! ... } > I also have a Zoom 70-300mm F / 4-5.6 IS II USM Nano left, but I'm waiting to be able to compare it with the RF 100-400 which should arrive at the same time as the RF 16mm. I don't know if the new RF 100-400 will be better in terms of image rendering than my EF 70-300mm F / 4-5.6 IS II USM Nano ? I will give it a try as soon as it becomes available in stores, and if the 100-400 turns out to be better and more compact then I will also resell my 70-300 to buy the new one. I also noticed that with my EF lenses on my RP the image rendering is more natural and less contrasted than with the RF 50, I will have to find the right settings with the Image Styles Menu ! On the other hand the RF 50 is really very clear, almost too much ! ... Sincerely, Philgood ...
With all due respect, you did not mention the biggest difference in terms of the image quality. The biggest difference is how they handle processing. There isnt big difference in ISO performance per say but the processing capabilties of the RAW files from these two camera vastly differ. When you are trying to recover shadows, EOS R have at least 2 stops better capabilities. So if you process images at all in the lightroom, EOS R is always going to be the winner in terms of still image quality
Yeah, I think the dynamic range is a bigger factor than the high ISO performance. With how often I shoot in high contrast scenes, the RP would be a noticeable downgrade for me from many older, cheaper cameras while the R could provide the DR I'm used to.
Sorry I left out dynamic range because I've talked about it in previous videos and it's not something that affects me a lot. To be honest, neither cameras are great in that regards. I mistake the R's files as RP's all the time haha. I mean, if 2 stop difference in dynamic range matters to you, then you should obviously get the R but I find that RP does a better job recovering highlights more than shadows so if you slightly expose to the right, it may not affect the images as much. With landscape and architecture shots, there's always HDR and other ways to work around problems which most people won't get to explore if they all relied on post processing.
Hey there. I needs an advice. Going to pickup my first camera. Thinking about a6400 vs RP. Will be using it with a few manual Russian lenses for pics and video. Your thoughts? Thank you!
Can you comment on the manual focus on each camera for legacy glass -- ease of use, viewfinder experience, accuracy? I have some nice Leica R lenses from the 70's and 80's in search of a mirrorless full-frame. Thank you!
Thanks for this video! I just want to ask about RP's buffer when shooting RAW, in your experience shooting events, will it last enough? I'm worried about how it would handles burst raw shots. Been using EOS R for the past few months, and I've got some problems specially shooting wedding entrance march, the buffer couldn't handle the raw files fast enough. The camera seems to lag a bit and causes me to miss important shots. This maybe because of eos r's big file size. I'm curious about in the rp, how does it handles raw files?
Hi, I only shoot raw and the buffer's never been an issue. Mainly because the frame rate is pretty slow haha. There's not a big difference in file sizes from the R but as long as I give it a little pause once in a while, it seems to handle them just fine.
I'm used to it, (5fps) haha I still have my canon 6d, which both have the same frame rate. This is the only thing which is holding me back, I'm really worried about how it handles burts raw. But you have enlightened me already. I guess my 6d and 5d iii will have their time in the market place today.😉 thanks man!
I wish I had bought the RP as my first camera for it being a full frame. I ended up getting a 90d which I don't regret but i did pay more than I would have for the RP
2 great camera! I would pick up the RP tho..save the 800$..use that for a lens..battery and as a daily vlogging camera..I cant see why anyone would buy the R..the side by side photo comparison is not much difference..RP for the win
Hi !!! , I'm a new subscriber to your channel and this video was so Amazingly informative as I'm torn between upgrading from my 70D to an R or RP. The Kicker is I actually saved $4k over 2 years for the R pro which is now the R5. Unfortunately, my friend turned a new light bulb on in my head and asked, why not get an R or RP and also get yourself a Mavic Air 2 since you've always wanted a drone. He has 1 and loves it!!! it's very nice with great specs plus fits within the budget. Now my path is to maximize my savings and enjoy two new tech experiences instead of just getting an R5 that mainly costs so much due to 8k which I'm not into especially with the rumored real or Canon self-implemented Overheating dilemma!!! Anyone, please feel free to chime in...which route would you take. O and yes I'm married to Canon with my EF glass:50 1.8, 24-70 2.8, and 70-200 2.8 (just for those inquiring why I'm not switching to Sony). All pictures on my IG were taken on my Canon 70D!!! instagram.com/cj_video_and_photography
So here's my dilemma I have a sl2 with a few lens sigma 18-35 1.8, 50 1.8, 10-18mm efs stm and the kit lens 18-55, id love to go full frame but due to budget only one of my lenses would work correctly and the pricing on the rf glass is really turning me away , I'd love your honest opinion do I stay apsc and save for the eos r successor or jump on the eos rp with the lens adaptor and deal with my limited lens choices
Gravy Davey I would probably wait. I hear a lot more affordable lenses are coming next year and going full frame is pointless unless you have any lenses to use.
@@HyunRalphJeong thank you for your insight i like your honest when it comes to recommendations so I'll hold out and save for a new camera and glass to go along with it
Don’t go with either of these, would be my suggestion. Both are slow cameras in terms of FPS. Instead, try to pick up a used 7D or 7D Mark II and pair it with a fast wildlife lens such as the EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM.
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I bought the RP. Didn’t have enough for the R, but I’m not worried I made the wrong choice. The RP is a freaking legendary camera.
how much did you get yours for? im in the market for one and im trying to find the best price
Donnie Kane haha, I did NOT get the best price. Paid the full retail value. If you wanna get yourself the best price, you simply have to wait for Canon to put it on sale. Canon changes it’s sales deals every month, so it’ll probably be on sale every 3-5 months. Canon regulates its prices through its distributors much like Apple does for MacBook Pro, but Canon is much more generous in their sales offers. At one point, the EOS RP was on sale for $500 off. So my advice is to wait for it to go on sale because you’d be hard-pressed to find it cheaper than Canons pricing at any other regular retailer. The other way to get discounts is to go through the used market on EBay. I wouldn’t personally buy a used camera body, so be careful if that’s the route you choose.
Christopher Rees thanks for all the info! Really appreciate it 🙏🏻
U made the right choice, I bought the RP also. This camera is awesome so fun .
Can it do 1080p 60?
The sincerity behind these reviews is what makes your opinion all the more credible and plausible. Keep up the good work bro!
Max Gallegos Thank you!
Totally agree
Got the RP, saved $800, grabbed a Canon 16-35 F4, Sigma 50mm 1.4 and Tamron 70-200 F2.8.
Decent camera + great glass = perfection
Personally in hindsight, I think the strategy of focusing on premium lenses first, and pairing them with "good enough" bodies is sort of brilliant. Plenty of time to perfect the premium bodies, while making improvements with firmware updates with the R and the RP. Just picked up the RP and I'm happy with it.
Yeah, so far I like where things are headed. Been hearing some crazy rumors about their pro bodies. Will have to see what they deliver next year.
I bought the RP in no small part thanks to your videos about it. Loving it so far. I Don't shoot video only stills.
How do u like it!?
@@phatcrayonz still enjoying it very much.
The difference in dynamic range and shadow recovery is actually quite big. The sensor on the R is quite a bit better here.
After hearing the comparisons I definitely think I would rather go for the RP and save the money!
Agreed. I am a professional photographer predominantly for portraits, business profiles, real estate, landscape and the occasional wedding. The RP is a great camera thats easy to use and shoots phenomenal stills and is great in low light. The R of course offers a few more options but as far as image quality you will not see a difference in my opinion. I upgraded from the 5d MarkIII. Big difference!
THAT is what I've been wanting to know -- how the RP performs in low light at high ISOs. Is there much noise? I'm looking for an upgrade to 80d. My main priority is high quality, low noise images at high ISO. I shoot a lot in low light situations.
If you're video heavy, chose the R. If you're strictly Photography, chose the RP.
The RP for $999 right now with the adapter and extension grip is a steal. I say get the RP and put your money into the RF lenses, that's where the real magic is and what I did.
I've been using RP for about one month, around 1200 shutter. No complain at all... It is perfect for a casual photographer like me. But yes, a battery grip would be awesome..
I chose the RP and went for the 28-70mm RF f/2 behemoth and called it a day.
Do you do vids and pics
Hanoi Tripper I only do pics.
Alexii Alipio I’ve honestly thought about that route 😂 // do you think the 28-70 is a “one and done” lens for a gear load-out? Lol
Micah Yamanaka For someone who does strictly photos; yes, absolutely. It’s like having 4 prime lenses in one.
Thank you! Almost all the reviews for the RP are pre 1.4 firmware and are usually pretty harsh on it. I’ve had the RP for a couple weeks and I love it! I think it’s really under rated right now.
Why do you think the RP is "good but not great"? What are you unhappy with?
Ralph, really appreciate how you make things so easy to understand.
We agree with you on the 4K feature, it is great to see the quality but in reality not many people gets to see it on their mobile devices. 1080 is great and most of the time, even when we shoot 4k we have to upload to 1080 so, anyway, 4k is not a deal breaker at all
Well, the benefit of 4K is that we can downsample to 1080p thus giving you better colors and more clarity/sharpness. Plus, when you do shoot at 4K, what if you wanted to add a slider like shot? But you don’t have the money for a professional camera slider, shooting at 4K you can do a digital slider shot! Granted, you do lose some resolution, but what’s difference between doing that and shooting a 30+ mp image and cropping in on your subject?
I understand, that you personally don’t care about 4K, but this camera is tailored for everyone else who genuinely appreciate the benefit of shooting 4K.
@@Faded.Visuals yes agree, the camera must be awesome, we are not saying is bad or not worth it; I was just giving our point of view from our usage and perspective, we weren't critizing the camera. We wouldn't dare to critize something we don't own and haven't used.
Okay so what about 4k, but the R has been getting reviews it has the best 1080p in the hybrid range of cameras.
The extra 800 would be better for me in my case because I'd be using it mostly for video anyways
It’s hard to go wrong with either of these. My ONLY hesitation with the RP is the smaller battery. If it took an LPE6, I’d definitely love to have one as a companion to the R.
Side note- even though the cropped 4K can be a hurdle, scaling up the 1080 footage yields really excellent results.
Bought rp, saving for R5.... Or may be R5 Mark ii in next 4 years! In meantime I'll improve my photography to be worthy of R5.
You're really convincing me that Canon made a smart move releasing the EOS R series camera!! At first it seems like it's missing features you need, but as you've pointed out in a few videos, it has basically everything you do need, at a great price.
Yeah, they're not perfect but I guess no camera is. And I think at least they're moving in the right direction.
Having owned both, I kept the RP and sold the R. Two deciding factors were weight and the “real” mode dial. The money I saved I put it towards a RF 50mm f1.2
Fotos y Mas Yeah not sold on the top screen either.
Would you say the picture quality was almost the same ?
I think both are good but not great. I got the RP and for me, my insta and TH-cam, its awesome. And a great way to get into fullframe and the RF lenses. You can still switch to later canon models. Although i love my RP so much.
Hey Ralph, I just got my Canon RP. Lot's of excitement filled to use the camera. Thanks for your video.
I love my RP, i have very large hands and no extension grip, still feels good in my hand.
I'm convinced the right purchase at this moment is the RP. And if something more is needed - wait for the camera that will replace the R.
Momchil Yordanov Yeah I’m hearing lots of crazy rumors about their next cameras. Will have to see how much they actually deliver
@@HyunRalphJeong I think the rumored EF/RF hybrid mount is the most interesting. Instant swapping between EF & RF lenses with the Rs, for example. So, pros in the past used White L lenses and in the future, do NOT use an adapter. 😊
If you buy cheap you buy twice.. not a smart move in my opinion
Bought RP a week ago, absolute beast for non-pro.
Great! I have the RP and for me is super excellent!!! Then I saved some money for the next R with more features like dual card slot and more resolution... I appreciate your comparison! Thanks! My shooting style is happy with the RP for now! Also, looking for RF lenses is the way to go! I can't wait to see Sigma future lenses for the RF mount!
Jaime Ortiz Yeah, same. I’m hoping tamron will come out with their 2.8 zooms too.
Exactly why i bought the RP. Been shooting for 15 years using canon and it took me til 2019 to try out mirrorless.. I don't see much benefit on eos r over rp for my needs. When the eos r successor with dual card and faster fps will come out then i might get it and use my rp as backup. Amazing how tiny eos rp is! The RF lenses though expensive looks really promising.
Useful video, thank you, but if I just want a landscape photography only , which one should I choose
Thanks for making this video, after watching your video I stright away go and order 1 RP .
I feel that at the starting price of basically 1000 USD, 4K should be an option in today's modern era. Since I do mostly videos it's not necessarily a must to have 4K, but I feel more comfortable shooting in 4K when I have the option to as it gives a greater amount of flexibility in post where I may want to crop in on something. Also depending on the types of video you shoot, AF may not be needed but it's still a good thing to have in the event you aren't able to just simply manually focus on subjects especially if they are moving around a lot.
Great review though keep up the good work 👍
Nice video. You choose rp over Sony a6400 for photography? Thanks
I've add cinestyle to the RP to help maximize dynamic range and also to have the ability to color grade. Would love to see if there is a different between grading clog vs cinestyle.
Yeah some people complain, and some people find solutions haha. I'm not the most sophisticated video shooter/editor but I can't imagine there being too much practical differences. I think it just comes down to personal preference.
How do you add cinestyle to RP? :)
@@joaomarveloso1049 it's a bit late but just download EOS Utility and Cinestyle on your laptop, connect your camera to the laptop and add Cinestyle through EOS Utility to your camera and you're basically done.
There's tons of tutorials out there so check it out before you do it just in case.
Always appreciate your honesty and how you clearly explain which one will benefit you the most based on your needs. An extra $800 is quite a bit of money. Appreciate the notes about camera weight and how comfortable they are or not.
Nice one, thank you. Picture side by side comparison? Cheers
Can you also do one between the RP and 6D Mark II? R and RP is pretty obvious for me, I can't afford the R so I don't really need to watch the video and I'd go for the RP. But the RP and 6D Mark II have a pretty close price especially when you take into consideration 2nd hand. Which one would you recommend?
This is the BEST video on TH-cam, discussing this topic! 🙏🏿 Thank you sir!
Great work. I also enjoy EOS R vs A7III. Make it more interesting by comparing EOS R vs nikon Z7. Love it!
hi, nice review. did you forgot to mention weather sealing? or perhaps the fact that the EOS R has protection for the sensor when you remove the lens. Might be useful to know for some folks
not worried about the difference in image quality to be honest. what I am worried about is the lack of the dust cover to protect the sensor on the RP. Is it a big deal? is it easy for the sensor to get damaged without it?
Exactly. That's why I am researching
I've owned both of these cameras, and I actually liked using RP better than R. I liked the mode dial on RP vs how you change modes on R. I also liked Jpeg Output from RP better than from R. Here are the problems I found with RP: 1) 1/4000. AS Canon is releasing all these F1.2 lenses and even with my older 85L lens, you run out of that 1/4000 rather quickly. There is a way to switch RP to ISO low (50) but it screws the DR and also when you turn the RP off and back on, it is back to ISO100, it does not stay at ISO50. 2) and that's a big one. Lightroom refuses to provide profiles for RP, it had several Lightroom updates since RP has been released but Lightroom has refused to provide native profiles for RP. And Adobe profiles for RP are horrible and look nothing like RP. So you are forced to shoot Jpeg with RP, or you are forced to process your files differently, and if Lightroom is your usual work flow, you are screwed. Lightroom does provide raw profiles for R 3) RP only has Electronic First Shutter and you cannot turn it off (I've never seen another camera like that)... so it is really quiet on one hand, on the other hand, if you want to shoot with Flash at fast speeds around 1/2000 and faster, you will start having usual issues associated with Electronic first shutter and high speed flash use. Since you have not addressed any of the above issues, I am curious to know what you think about them.
Yeah, my problem of the RP from the beginning was that Canon was treating it as a "beginner" camera for a "mid-range" price. There's an argument that typical RP users won't care about most of these issues and they won't be buying any expensive lenses but to some intermediate-pro users, it's a big downgrade. Good news for casual shooters though, is that Canon seems to be working on a lot of cheaper RF lenses for next year and Samyang and Sigma are now also joining in too.
Such an honest perspective. Thank you!
I got the RP for the same reasons you mentioned. I don't normally shoot video and I'm fine with full-frame 1080p recording quality.
With the extra money I bought 4 extra 3rd party batteries, a new camera bag, a couple more SD cards, an Arca-swiss compatible L-bracket, an Arca-swiss compatible tripod head, a new set of travel tripod legs, and a 1993 EF 80-200mm f/2.8L. I bought mine back in the spring so it came with the EF adapter for free.
Thanks always for explaining things easy to understand. Videos like this make people less afraid of photography and of buying a new camera!
Still, not decided which one we'd get. We should sit down and write our needs...then we could decide :)
Also, don’t forget to mention the eos rp has a max shutter speed of 1/4000 and also no way of making it full mechanical shutter. A problem if one shoots flash a lot and/or HSS.
I exchanged my rp for an R after running into this problem and looking online that it’s an RP limitation. Not an issue for hobbyists that don’t shoot flash however.
Very true. I guess Canon thought not a lot of RP users would buy expensive fast primes or use HSS and that's probably true but just another example of their crippling their cameras...
So I own the EOS R and various RF and L lenses. I have a different recommendation for someone who is looking for a good camera with great features and even excellent editing tools - get the iPhone Pro Max. You get three built in lenses, it’s with you all the time, amazing images, easy to use, share photos in real time... and you can even use it to make calls.
Anyone deciding between these two if you have older canon cameras, just keep in mind that the eos R uses the common lp-e6 but the RP doesn't. One of the factors why I picked the R.
I'm in between getting the R or the RP and like you I thought well I have 2 lpe6 from the 90d so Eos R ... But then I realised I payed about 30€ for the two and the diff between r and RP is 600-700€ so ... 😄
Thank you the RP it is for me :) save money and buy some accessories with it.
Hi there, I am totally new to the photography field although I have always loved taking photos on my iPhone. I am planning to buy a camera, my friends told me like sony is better than canon but, my bf wants me to get a canon. I want to use the camera mainly to take my family picture and take photos of nature (traveling) and the print+frame it ( give as a gift to friends and relatives ). So I would like to know if Canon RP is good to take photos and print it? What do I need to know to know regarding photo printing in relation to a camera? I would really appreciate it if you could reply to this comment. Thank you kindly.
if the RP used the LP battery it would be a no brainer purchase for most. I hate carrying multiple batteries and chargers. If your going to invest in a new battery system, you might as well look at different camera options. hence why i went with the fuji xe3, small and portable, tons of bells and whistles (eye af, 4k, decent shutter speed) and cheaper. i bought the camera body, 23mm f2 lens, thumb grip and a wooden shutter release button for $800. added a nice leather half camera cover for $50. the only thing missing is a swivel screen, i dont vlog ever... but im sure you can use your phone as a screen and remote using the fuji remote app. I love the idea of the RP the only flaw is price vs others in the same price range, battery. canon actually hurt their own sales when they decided to cripple it from the start... nice to see they've backed stepped a little.
Thanks for another insightful video. Two things which keeps me away of the RP are 1. the lack of DP autofocus in 4K and 2. the much lower bitrates... could you please share tour views on bitrates based on your personal experience? Cheers.
My a6500 has a higher bit rate in 1080p yet the RP 1080p looks alot better due to it being full frame.
@@lovddmp Could you elaborate on that? Super35 is the most common size amongst cinema cameras and I would find it hard to believe that the bump to full frame alone innately means better video quality (other than better low light and shallower DoF)
@@aloi larger sensor means, more detail, higher dynamic range, better low light performance. Some cinema cameras are moving towards full frame sensors. I assume super 35 sensor could be due to cost factor among other things, but I could be wrong.
Thank you. I'm not the most sophisticated video shooter/editor, but I don't think the bitrates or file formats really affect how the videos look straight from the camera especially in good lighting. Based on my experience, the videos from R and RP look virtually identical and I can't really tell the difference while grading them too.
Very informative video. I know I'm a bit late to the party, but does the EOS RP have a 1080 crop mode(1.6x) like the EOS R? And if it does, is the 60fps option greyed out as well? Thanks in advance.
I went with the RP and then used the 800 to buy a new phone
Thanks for the excellent video. I have the RP and I do really like it. Specially after the 1.4 firmware upgrade.
Joao Rodrigues Neto Thank you. Yeah, it’s a better camera for less price.
If you are a photographer and mainly shoot stills then RP is much better deal imo.
If you shoot videos a lot then you might consider getting a R.
this was super helpful and genuine, ordered my RP :)
Needed a second body to my Canon EOS R6, beeing a hybrid shooter. Having 4k with autofocus, C-log and the option of the 10bit with an external recorder were the main selling points for me.
Is RP ok for wedding photography? And street also?
What do you think will give me the best picture quality? Canon EOS RP, m6 mark ii or Nikon Z5. I'm only interested in taking photos, jpegs. I'm a casual shooter, I'm into street photography, portraits, sunsets, etc No action photography or video. I'd be using one of these cameras with a kit lens, at least for the first year. I know their specs on paper, I know that Nikon has got in-body stabilization, two card slots, weather sealing. But I won't be shooting to make money at weddings or in bad weather. Based on the sample pictures I've seen online, Nikon and m6 seem to produce sharper looking jpegs. I do like to crop, so the amount of detail matters to me. I've held all three camera in a store, and the RP felt best in my hands. Btw, I'll be stepping up from Panasonic G7, and the RP isn't much heavier or bigger. But again, it seems that the photos it produces are not as good as the other two. Your advice please.
A good video with many valid points.
I have the RP, and does everything I want it to do, both in stills and video. Thank you
one year aniversery of this video, thank you for this video
Thanks for the video!
I had the Eos RP as well and did a review on it. For what it can do it is really quite good, of course the R is the better one but people should check investigate on what they really need.
Do you need all the bells and whistles then the R is the one.
If you just need the basics the the RP will suit you fine
Gary Jahman Yeah, and it’s not that many bells and whistles for the price difference either.
Haven't even watched the video yet but this is the question I'm asking myself right now. Love your content man! Hopefully this video helps me make a decision.
Hung Nguyen haha thanks, hope you liked the video
I just wish the RP had a better battery life, or a official battery grip! Cause is a really good camera, and it's a good entry for the mirroless Canon world, if you do photography is almost perfect! Also you can save some battery life if don't use the bigger screen all the time! Any way great video man! Congrats!
Agree with you regarding the feature of 4K. I am from India ( leave in a metro city) and in the post covid19 pandemic situation all TH-cam videos are streaming at max.480p due to bandwidth issue. There is no proper timeline whenever this restrictions will lifted. So 4K, 6K even 8K are literally optional to me
Thanks for the Review, nice comparison! There is a lot of talk about the RPs video quality (or lack thereof) for content rich video productions. Has anybody used the RP for small documentary production or amateur film video productions? Any comments? or would you all just say go for the EOS if you want to do video? Thanks for sharing.
Hi ... thanks for such an wonderful video. I have been using canon 1500D since past 1.5 yrs. Now planning to upgrade the camera since i am starting photography as profession. My main focus area is food, product and interior design. I feel either rp or r will work for me but not very sure. Also one major factor which i feel is the sensor curtain (since i do lot of nature photography as outdoors). Honestly i am so confused which one to go for is it R or RP .... 😂😂 any suggestions on this?
Bought a RP a few days ago. Like it a lot ...
Love your reviews. Straight, to the point. Subbed. And thank you.
Congrats for the video but i have a question. Many people mention that between the R and the RP the main deference is the shadows. If you will raise the shadows in lightroom. In the RP the noise will be much more. Is that right? Thank you!
vassilismac Hi and thank you. Based on my experience, the difference is pretty negligible. Neither cameras’ sensors are great when it comes to dynamic range and I don’t think it’s worth spending more to get the R just for that reason. If you are a landscape shooter, having more headroom to work with is nice, but with almost everything else, I find it not always necessary. I hope this helps!
I feel if your going to do lots of video, get the EOS R, it is getting great reviews on the video side and it has C-log. Yeah you need to play to get use to it, but it gives you much better control over Dynamic range when it is blown out or to dark. This is something you can’t always correct or control in camera due to the shooting situation.
The RP will hold its own in the stills department.
Thank you for this video. I use the Canon RP but for a short time. It is compact and light and that's what I liked most about replacing my 6D MII that I sold. I used the RP with a Canon 35 f2 is usm, a Canon 40mm f 2.8 stm. But finally I bought the RF 50 f1.8 stm which is a Combo. perfect with the RP. I therefore look forward to the RF 16mm. { I noticed by comparing my EF lenses and my RF 50mm f1.8, that on my RP the RF 50 returned more contrasted images, less natural than with my EF 40mm and 35 f2 lenses is usm ?! I did portrait tests by changing the Image Styles, but despite everything the images with the RF 50 are more contrasted?! ... } > I also have a Zoom 70-300mm F / 4-5.6 IS II USM Nano left, but I'm waiting to be able to compare it with the RF 100-400 which should arrive at the same time as the RF 16mm. I don't know if the new RF 100-400 will be better in terms of image rendering than my EF 70-300mm F / 4-5.6 IS II USM Nano ? I will give it a try as soon as it becomes available in stores, and if the 100-400 turns out to be better and more compact then I will also resell my 70-300 to buy the new one. I also noticed that with my EF lenses on my RP the image rendering is more natural and less contrasted than with the RF 50, I will have to find the right settings with the Image Styles Menu ! On the other hand the RF 50 is really very clear, almost too much ! ...
Sincerely,
Philgood ...
How does the image quality of the RP compare to the 6d II?
With all due respect, you did not mention the biggest difference in terms of the image quality. The biggest difference is how they handle processing. There isnt big difference in ISO performance per say but the processing capabilties of the RAW files from these two camera vastly differ. When you are trying to recover shadows, EOS R have at least 2 stops better capabilities. So if you process images at all in the lightroom, EOS R is always going to be the winner in terms of still image quality
Yeah, I think the dynamic range is a bigger factor than the high ISO performance. With how often I shoot in high contrast scenes, the RP would be a noticeable downgrade for me from many older, cheaper cameras while the R could provide the DR I'm used to.
Sorry I left out dynamic range because I've talked about it in previous videos and it's not something that affects me a lot. To be honest, neither cameras are great in that regards. I mistake the R's files as RP's all the time haha. I mean, if 2 stop difference in dynamic range matters to you, then you should obviously get the R but I find that RP does a better job recovering highlights more than shadows so if you slightly expose to the right, it may not affect the images as much. With landscape and architecture shots, there's always HDR and other ways to work around problems which most people won't get to explore if they all relied on post processing.
but man 40000 native iso isnt too bad though.. clog is def a must :D
I got the R right as the 1.4 update came out. Knowing what I know now I may have saved the money on the RP and bought more glass
Levi What sour’s this mean?
I'm in between the two , can you tell me why you would have picked the RP ?
Does the RP have distortion and aberration correction for older lenses by default like the R?
Hey there. I needs an advice. Going to pickup my first camera. Thinking about a6400 vs RP. Will be using it with a few manual Russian lenses for pics and video. Your thoughts? Thank you!
sony is better video camera, canon is better photo camera,.
Love the comparison. Going to have to try out the eos r at some point but the eos rp is definitely holding me off :)
Hey man great video. Do you live in Stamford? I used to work in the building around the corner across from Tiernan’s.
Wondering if I should get the RP for matenrity and newborn. Any thoughts?
I don’t see why not? It’s a great value.
@HyunRalphJeong Thanks man! love your content
which-one would be better for real state?
Either should be perfectly fine. I’d say save money and get the RP
@@HyunRalphJeong Thank you for the advice....great videos!
@@jserr9682 thank you, glad you enjoyed
Anybody have an opinion about the RP’s image quality vs the older Canon 6D. Mostly looking for portraits and product photography.
I wonder, since this commment is from 1 year ago, what was your decision at the end? Since I have the same dilemma. :)
When the r is 300€ more used should i still get rp?
what about RP vs 6d mark ii 90d or m6 mark ii? they're all in the same price area, upgrading from the SL2 so I have some lp-17 batteries leftover
Can you comment on the manual focus on each camera for legacy glass -- ease of use, viewfinder experience, accuracy? I have some nice Leica R lenses from the 70's and 80's in search of a mirrorless full-frame. Thank you!
The RP also has an intervallometer for Timelapses, while the R does not.
Thanks for this video! I just want to ask about RP's buffer when shooting RAW, in your experience shooting events, will it last enough? I'm worried about how it would handles burst raw shots. Been using EOS R for the past few months, and I've got some problems specially shooting wedding entrance march, the buffer couldn't handle the raw files fast enough. The camera seems to lag a bit and causes me to miss important shots. This maybe because of eos r's big file size. I'm curious about in the rp, how does it handles raw files?
Hi, I only shoot raw and the buffer's never been an issue. Mainly because the frame rate is pretty slow haha. There's not a big difference in file sizes from the R but as long as I give it a little pause once in a while, it seems to handle them just fine.
I'm used to it, (5fps) haha I still have my canon 6d, which both have the same frame rate. This is the only thing which is holding me back, I'm really worried about how it handles burts raw. But you have enlightened me already. I guess my 6d and 5d iii will have their time in the market place today.😉 thanks man!
Great breakdown as always! RP would be our choice for the value and save the cash for other things
I wish I had bought the RP as my first camera for it being a full frame. I ended up getting a 90d which I don't regret but i did pay more than I would have for the RP
Get the RP at a Black Friday sale, and then the 90D can be your second platform.
What settings do you use for the RP ??
The prices might have dropped in the USA, but I'm not seeing similar price drops here in Europe.
That's unfortunate...perhaps something to do with the exchange rate?
2 great camera! I would pick up the RP tho..save the 800$..use that for a lens..battery and as a daily vlogging camera..I cant see why anyone would buy the R..the side by side photo comparison is not much difference..RP for the win
Hi !!! , I'm a new subscriber to your channel and this video was so Amazingly informative as I'm torn between upgrading from my 70D to an R or RP.
The Kicker is I actually saved $4k over 2 years for the R pro which is now the R5.
Unfortunately, my friend turned a new light bulb on in my head and asked, why not get an R or RP and also get yourself a Mavic Air 2 since you've always wanted a drone. He has 1 and loves it!!! it's very nice with great specs plus fits within the budget.
Now my path is to maximize my savings and enjoy two new tech experiences instead of just getting an R5 that mainly costs so much due to 8k which I'm not into especially with the rumored real or Canon self-implemented Overheating dilemma!!!
Anyone, please feel free to chime in...which route would you take. O and yes I'm married to Canon with my EF glass:50 1.8, 24-70 2.8, and 70-200 2.8 (just for those inquiring why I'm not switching to Sony). All pictures on my IG were taken on my Canon 70D!!!
instagram.com/cj_video_and_photography
if i follow the budget cause not all ppl can buy which gear better. btw nice information video sir😊✨✨.
does the RP shoot 24fps in 1080
So here's my dilemma I have a sl2 with a few lens sigma 18-35 1.8, 50 1.8, 10-18mm efs stm and the kit lens 18-55, id love to go full frame but due to budget only one of my lenses would work correctly and the pricing on the rf glass is really turning me away , I'd love your honest opinion do I stay apsc and save for the eos r successor or jump on the eos rp with the lens adaptor and deal with my limited lens choices
Gravy Davey I would probably wait. I hear a lot more affordable lenses are coming next year and going full frame is pointless unless you have any lenses to use.
@@HyunRalphJeong thank you for your insight i like your honest when it comes to recommendations so I'll hold out and save for a new camera and glass to go along with it
@@HyunRalphJeong Won't the lenses he said he's got work on the RP with the EF-RF adapter?
Why would only one of your lenses work correctly on the RP? The EF-RF adapter accepts all the lenses you listed.
I am aspiring wildlife photographer. I want to make choice between EOS R and EOS RP. Please suggest...
Don’t go with either of these, would be my suggestion. Both are slow cameras in terms of FPS. Instead, try to pick up a used 7D or 7D Mark II and pair it with a fast wildlife lens such as the EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM.
A third party needs to make a grip for the RP to use the LPE6n and that would make this camera an even bigger no brainier. At least even for a B cam.
What a great idea 😳 tho the battery grip have a nasty cable ... Thats shitty
@@jessbreheret ty. If I had the know how and resources I’d be all over it!
I have the R on the way.
the canon eos rp or the sony a7 iii? hmm the rp is really nice built flip screen
Thanks for helping making a decision! :)
thank you Ralph at least now i have an answer of which to buy with no bs
Very good advice.. I guess RP for me.. not really a camera tech guy (but eager to learn).. Interesting nonetheless 🙂