The Bizarre Market for Old Battleship Steel
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They also use the steel from U-boat sunk on purpose after ww1 and ww2 in the Baltic Sea.
I don't care about children's Toys I care about finding out who's responsible for desecrating war grapes.
The wreck of the HMS Exeter is now the war grave of the quora of its crew Sons nephews brothers grandsons Sacrifice their lives to shore the world is a better place today that doesn't Give criminals the right to Destroy a War grave.
Regardless of what ship they might be nearer from the Romans or from world War II it is still Considered a grave to those unfortunate souls.
@@lachbullen8014 Unfortunately, your first use of the phrase was mistyped "desecrating war grapes", making the rest, no matter how heartfelt, sound a bit silly... Might want to get that updated. ;)
People stopped watching because your voice is annoying. Stop trying to sound so goddamned sure of yourself while reading off a page and explore and think a little bit like a fricken human man.
Speaking of radioactive steel, back in the early 80s, my friend and I were learning to weld. My friend's father worked at Sandia Labs. One day he brought home some scrap steel and told us we were free to use it. The next day we promptly cut some of it up and started practicing our welds.
We did this for a few days. On the 3rd or 4th day my friend's father came home from work and started loading the scrap steel into his truck. We walked out there and he immediately said "I am sorry, I gotta take this back to work, we made a mistake, it's radioactive." He then said "don't worry, it's safe to handle, it won't hurt you unless you cut it or weld on it, any smoke coming off it would be deadly"
My friend and I were standing there about to pee our pants. Every horror story I had ever heard about people getting radiated flashed through my head. Then my friend's father burst out laughing. He was pranking us. The steel was perfectly safe. We had been joking with him and telling him nuclear scientists had no sense of humor and no personality. He got us good but I still say nuclear scientists have no personality. Well, they may have a personality but if you try to find it, it changes. :)
My uncle is a stereotypical wet fish nuclear physicist with a monotone voice and zero sense of humour.
I don't think I've ever seen him laugh.
@@johno9507 lol Yea, my father was pretty much the same. He was a very kind man but he had little sense of humor.
The most I ever saw him laugh was when he drove home from out of state to surprise us. Well, I had just gotten my license and I was backing out of the garage right as he pulled into the driveway. I either hit the front of his car or he hit the back of my car, that was never really settled. Anyways, that freaked me out. He found it really funny. I got out, saw the dents and glass on the driveway and I started crying. He couldn't stop laughing. lol It did get me a better car sooner so I guess I can't complain to much.
Kudos to your friend's father. That was a top level prank.
Hahahahaha
I do, indeed, see what you did there
In the 1970s my girlfriend's family was stationed in Taiwan. While there, her mother got a chopping knife which was made from salvaged battleship steel. A few years ago she gave it to me. I cherish it. Not only does it have an interesting story, it's also one of the best knives I've ever had.
I understand they make chopping knives from grenades that China fired on Taiwan as well.
I don’t believe that.
Just because it is from a battleship means actually that it is very unlikely to be good for knives... so... it's probably tourists lore.
Ummm depending on what part of the ship it came from it could be excellent 👍
Lmfao she got conned that shit is regular steel
What surprises me most about this is that apparently it was once more economical to seek out exotic pre-1945 steel than to just not use atmospheric air in steelmaking. Similarly, how was rare low-background lead taken from archeological sites only 12 times more expensive than the normal lead being mined at a rate of thousands of tons every single day???
Mushroom clouds do not have silver linings. They have strontium and cesium linings.
@whatever909e and I made a counter-joke about nuclear weapons.
/Whoosh
@@lairdcummings9092 yea I'm not sure what this guy is thinking. He took your joke and ran with it i guess
Party pooper :(
@whatever909e i think he's serious in the video
Pretty sure there's silver somewhere in there too, along with gold and platinum.
My grandad was on the Exeter, he was a Japanese POW for a while. He died when I was too young to understand what any of that really meant
My partner's grandfather was a POW held by Japanese forces. He survived in Changi prison and the Burma Railway for four years but died just a few years after his liberation by Allied forces. Many prisoners who survived the Japanese POW camps died young because of lingering problems caused by starvation and maltreatment.
Great Uncle was a pow, 60th Coast artillery Command, got the silver star for harbor defense of manila and subic bay, and defending Corregidor.
"Corporations are bombarding you with ads. Nobody wants any of that stuff" -- read unironically from a 75 second mid-roll ad script.
government gos to war
also government dont kill people hypocrites iznt just a river in Egypt
allso me an educator lol
@@ridanannand the search for intelligent life on this planet continues...
@@rayminazzi2065 spaceman lands on planet no signs of intelligent life.
mission control ya no shit buzz you are the only life there lol.
to the gaint ice wall an beyond
@@ridanann gaint?
@@HighestRank yeah I assume I don't know it doesn't exist so it's a bit abstract
A really good friend of mine parents who used to own a scrap metal/recycling business in the uk. He would put in bids to demolish old cotton mills and send the steel to different sectors, for example the thick sheet boilerplate covering the boilers a thick water tanks, these would be cut up carefully and then sold onto shipyards to replace worn out ship plating.
The big bobbins that hold the several tons of cotton that have magnesium ends were sent away to be smelted down into high grade materials.
The most interesting thing I learned was all of the shuttlecocks that used to zing across the looms may have been mainly wood for that wasn’t the prize was the very high grade of stainless steel, these were broken down and the stainless steel = was shipped out to Switzerland 🇨🇭 to be made into high grade surgical instruments. It goes to show that items that we think are worthless are sometimes the complete opposite!
Love the channel Simon, great video thank you. Phil. 🇬🇧
Some people are like Slinkies...basically useless, but it's fun to watch them tumble down the stairs.
So true.
Dude...that's literally the best thing I have ever heard although slightly morbid.
Im stealing this and id make it my senior quote had i not already chosen one
@@elowenminer7748 so agreed if I had heard this 12 years ago
they're like old timey fidget spinners only better.
Radiation spikes from nuclear tests are also commonly used to date sediment- and ice cores! If you have a foot of gray mush drilled from a lake bottom, it's kind of hard to tell how long it has been gathering there. By analysing rare isotopes present in the cores we can observe how long it has taken since the tests for the sediment to deposit there. Isotopes from the Chernobyl incident are actually the best and produce a very strong signal in Northern-Hemisphere!
Reminds me of an old saying: "Every cloud has a silver lining, except the mushroom kind. They're lined with iridium and strontium 90."
Why yes, tell me magic Englishman
You absolute legend
No infidel here
Sometimes the steel made decades ago is better than what's usually available now. Some senior citizens almost got into fights over old tools we took from my grandmother's basement and sold at a yard sale after she passed away. They explained how the steel of "antique" tools is often better than the stuff used to make tools sold at big box stores today. Sometimes all you have to do is replace a handle and you've got a new tool.
It's survivorship bias. Those aren't good just because they're old. Not every tool made 50-100 years ago was good - but those that did make it to our times are. Buy quality (expensive) stuff now and It'll serve your grandchildren too.
That's deliberate (the poor quality of new tools). Not that there isn't good quality material today, but the commercial stuff you buy in the store is designed to break and be replaced to get you back into the store eventually.
I don't think it's all about steel quality but quality in general. In the old days, things were made to last; these days things are made to be replaced next day. If I dig deep enough in my cellar, I'll surely find a few perfectly useable tools from my grandfather who died 39 years ago - next to several boxes of modern bits and tools which didn't survive first use. I'm sure I still have grandfathers pipe wrench with which you can stop a tank.
@@seethisth4753 That's logical. The surviving tools and gear would be the high-quality stuff.
@@ottovonbismarck2443 My grandfather, who was a mechanic, had amazingly long screwdrivers designed to reach deep into engines and other machinery. You could use those things to poleax a bear. I'm sure your grandfather's pipe wrench could stop a grizzly, too.
fun fact: aside from wine, the first nuclear tests also made art forgery near impossible for the same reasons.
“Every mushroom cloud has a silver lining” oh, Simon! Even if you can’t say “radionuclides” correctly, you’re terrific!
It's odd, I thought that was the word, as he said it. I'm about the same age and from the UK, there must have been some bad TV in the 80s
@Ryan Ripley I'd need to learn what on earth you mean by that
@Ryan Ripley Says the guy who doesn't use any punctuation at all and can't spell comma. In any case, I am pretty sure Doug used commas correctly in his sentence. Get back in your hole, troll.
There are quite a few words he pronounces incorrectly in his videos.
@@georgeoil100 all the time, in fairness, he admits it. Lazy bastard
I'm a simple man, I would think it would be cool to have a gun or knife made of battleship steel.
Böker makes one! It's expensive af though
Some of the older Chinese pocket knives were made from high grade recycled steel from decommissioned nuclear plants. High-grade steel, slightly radioactive. Just what you want hanging next to your balls.
Better yet bro you can get it made with meteorite!
@@Altair00rion King Tut's tomb has a knife made with meteorite metal.
i actually have one made with steel from the "tirpitz"
I knew this one!
I worked in Hospital ages ago, and there was a whole suite of radiological areas with gray steel walls.
Some clever wag had written the names of the ships (how did he know?) on different panels.
Faraday cage, check. Greatly diminished background count? Check.
Even the Geiger counters were pre-war.
Okay, so we had a problem, and now that problem is no more. Right. Got it.
The idea of salvaging steel from possible gravesites made me think of the September 11, 2001 attack on the World Trade Center and the pieces of steel columns and beams that were retrieved from the rubble for use as 9/11 Memorials. While I would assume those transactions were free of any monetary exchange, to treat the Tombs of Fallen Heroes as a profitable commodity draws a very fine line between Sanctity and Sacrilege.
So, how long should we wait to reclaim those resources? And why should your outrage about it matter? Those people who died there are dead, and don't care.
Simon: "People were scrapping old steel."
Also Simon: "Slinky!"
The same test is used to determine if paintings are counterfeit.
“they don’t make them like they used to”
thanks, very interesting.
I was part of a team who bought an old WW2 refinery and had to strip out all the old tanks etc, even the rebar from the air raid shelters, all sold for a premium.
Of all the ends a warship can have; the use of it's steel for scientific goals is one of the most dignified, especially for use on those satellites.
Sometime during the 1990's, I got a knockoff slinky as a handout. I still have it. It's a smaller one than the one's I had as a child (nothing ruins your day like a bent slinky when your pre-teen!) but it's housed in a tubular wooden container, and it only gets opened every once in a while. No kinks in this slinky!
Wow, as a fan for a long time I'm surprised I'd never seen this old episode.
You threw the kitchen sink at it! Science, history, metallurgy, chemistry (and everything you never knew about the Slinky in 47 seconds!) LOL! ! Which was a thing as a kid in the late 60's ~ everyone had one at some point. Great piece I had no idea about - that's wild about the difference in chemistry of metals made before the nuclear age .... I'd imagine that the change in our atmosphere affected more than just this. Excellent piece! Just imagine the amount of copper on the sea floor. Not sure at what point when ships started adding coils of copper wrapped around the hull for degaussing. At some point it goes above the zero net gain and becomes a "thing" harvesting the sea for scrap.
Interesting feature about whole body counting rooms. My local hospital had one of those until the Chernobyl Disaster in 1986. Unfortunately the fallout from the disaster permanently stopped it working. Around 4 years later all the battleship steel was ripped out, I don't think the steel was the problem, just the increased background radiation made this kind of work impossible even underground where the facility was.
Now I know why the Old Lead and other Scrap from Harewood House Renovations in Early 2000s was worth nearly Treble the price of the new Piping and Roofing. Loved working there.
I worked at a mill in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula back in the 1980’s and we had a furnace built that would turn bark and other wood scraps and was built by a German company and because of the fact that when you burn wood in our case it put out radiation in small amounts but because of that reason the company that built the furnace used battleship steel to incase the furnace in the 1990’s there was a accident at the mill which a thermal oil line ruptured causing a explosion and hole on the furnace the plant was evacuated and had to wait a week after the fire in the furnace was out before maintenance could go in to start the repairs the reason for the wait was for radiation levels to drop because by that time the furnace had been burning for almost 10 years straight. When the plant was built and by burning the scrap wood the plant is 95% fuel efficient by heating the thermal oil it was used for heating and power of the mill. The steel for the furnace came from German WW2 ships that where scraped or buried in port according to one of the engineers that came over to help install the furnace.
I’ve seen several of these rooms at the In-vivo Testing Facility in Richland, Wa - administered by PNNL. A funny side story - it’s a small foot-print building, far away from the main PNNL campus - and on a number of occasions managers who’re not quite familiar with the building and it’s contents commission estimates and draw up plans to move the testing rooms onto campus - until the estimate to move hundreds of tons of 8”-12” steel cones back. Haha! Good times.
Nuclide, not nucleotide... That's nucleic acids
Spiderman has radio-nucleotides.
So that's why we treat ships like living beings
@@user-do5zk6jh1k kantai reference or whatlmao
Thanks Homer!
@@zrazghost No. Reference to overall human culture
Also a Kool Fact is Slinkies was used in Vietnam by US Radio Operators as an antenna extension. They would toss one end up into the trees to really extend their range
This reminds me of reading 30 years ago about Japanese smiths fighting over pre war anchor chains to make the soft bodies of woodworking chisels. Not the all important cutting edge, made from modern steel, but the rest of the chisel lol 😂.
Thank you for this.
I knew some old battle ships where illegally salvaged, but I didn't know there was a specific reason why... today I found out!
The HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse were sunk by Japanese land bombers off Northeast Malaya in December 1941. Considered war graves they were left alone but it was discovered recently that the wrecks were gone. They have been clandestinely salvaged by Chinese outfits, probably just for scrap steel value alone.
High prices for low background lead would have been a great incentive to swap out old lead water pipes.
I do stained glass work. Actually exactly the kind of restoration done to that 400 year old window. I take them apart and relead them. I didn't know that old lead had any value. Being in the states I sometimes do restorations on windows from back to the 1800s.
This might be one of the most fascinating TIFO videos you've made, Simon.
Excellent vid, not many know of the disappearance of these historic shipwrecks
To quote Quark from Deep Space Nine: "They irradiated their own planet?!"
And allow their females to wear cloths
Quark should not have been too surprised, as he knew Sisko and Sisko had few qualms about contaminating one of his own planets. It's part of why he is the beta captain vs the Chads Picard & Kirk ;)
@@leighpowell1062 "The oathes of women I inscribe on water." - Sophacles
Well the concept of "world war" was somewhat inconcievable for him too...
@@clinkencrew1806 Picard wasn't much of a chad when it comes to the Prime Directive. And both Kirk and Sisko are chads in their own right, it only took Picard awhile to become because of the Borg.
My father’s relatives were founders of Perfect Circle Piston Rings in Indiana.
They would play with piston rings before they were slit.
Common toy for him in the thirties.
There a so many valid stories of the invention.
My ancestors may not of invented the the slinky (because they were busy with their own inventions) . Same thing with frisbees.
So many inventors.
Many projects have more than one story.
There is a great many reasons some steels are best suited for this purpose. I’m not a molecular metallurgist by any means but minute proportions of certain elements can make it stronger than it would be and methods of tempering and all those things are important also. Some trade secrets are crucial to the making of any steel variant. If it is battle proven, the formula has great worth. Doesn’t take a genius to figure this metal will bring top dollar for the scraper!
That is bizarre, I think I might be having some kind of Mandela effect going on. I recall seeing in some TV show a long time ago that the origin of the Slinky was from a guy who was trying to make springs (for mattresses or something) but set the machine up wrong and ended up with a slinky. But he too found it had interesting properties, and just like this story his wife looked for a name and found that there was something that looked very similar called a slinky that was used by troops as an antenna. They would throw them up into a tree to purposely get caught in the branches to form a long antenna. That part seems to be true, but I can't find anything about the rest of the story that I heard so long ago.
Sorry Simon, but HMS Exeter was heavy cruiser.
Please Simon, a battleship is/was a particular class of warship!
Yes. He should say warship, not battleship.
But my interpretation of what he was saying is that uncontaminated steel from the pre-nuclear weapons days is colloquially known as "battleship steel" regardless of source. Not implying the HMS Exeter was a battleship. Low-background steel being the more accurate term.
Cobalt 60 is currently used in Blast Furnaces, and some impurities will get into the steel produced.
I think the Slinky was the basis for the Continuous-rod warhead.
I remember reading an old science fiction story (I don’t remember which one) where two antagonist groups were back in time. At one pint, the protagonists were thinking of sneaking into the opposing castle dressed as people of that period until they found out you had to stick your hand through an opening so they could check if you were one of these “future people”. They realized they were using a crude gold leaf electroscope to detect radiation in peoples bodies, as anyone after WWII had radioactive strontium incorporated into their bones caused by the atmospheric increase from open air nuclear testing. Also, it is my understanding that the high quality iron ore (hematite) had been depleted in WII, and now a lot of steel is manufactured from the lower grade magnetite ore. At hematite has a great abundance on the earth, I assumed this meant it was depleted from the operating mines available.
Possibly a story from the "1632" series started by Eric Flint.
That happened in "The Stainless Steel Rat Saves the World".
When I was in grad school in the late 80's the physics department at the university had a special room encased with WWI battleship steel.
I really think you should do a "Today I learned" about "Nord VPN" (And all other vpn services. Because they don't protect against most of the things you mention in the add.
Well Tom Scott a video about that like a year or two ago.
And the end of the story is, if you want to be sponsored by a VPN, don't talk about their actual features.
That goes for almost any sponsorship on youtube, you basically get a complete outline for the ad you are supposed to run. Deviate and you won't get money.
That being said, I don't know how the Internet Historian can do his weird bits and still get sponsored by NordVPN and Raid Shitty Legends.
Ding ding ding. Add to it a Tor browser and you have a little more protection
@@charlesbaldo Now sponsor someone to advertise Tor lol.
@@ayumikuro3768 not sponsored by shadow legends. Lol
@@charlesbaldo isn't tor onion browser already built off what is basically chained proxies? How would a VPN help?
I helped engineer a dark matter experiment requiring low background materials throughout. We ended up using pure titanium for much of the structural components. Finding low background materials was challenging.
The only battleship that ever went to space? Wait, are you trying to tell me that "Uchū Senkan Yamato" isn't a documentary?
Someone needs to take a wavegun shot to the face.
It will be in a couple centuries
Yeah it isnt a documentary bro :/
@@user-do5zk6jh1k そうだといい。
@@gtPacheko Better than having asteroid bombardment now.
The public outcry regarding the plundering of the wreck(s) on the site - the Exeter wasn't the only wreck removed - wasn't so much about the steel, but about desecration of war-grave sites (as many of the wrecks still had the bodies of sailors aboard).
So offer a bounty for the remains. The families would be gratified. Can't stand in the way of progress.
They were buried at sea, as sailors have been since sailing became a thing.
The beam dump at the end of SLAC (Stanford Linear Accelerator) has lot of them (Battleship armor) stacked one after the other to keep from irradiating the city of Palo Alto CA
This is great opportunity to remind everyone that the battleship New Jersey is undergoing restoration and desperately needs donations and support. It's a really cool ship.
My father-in-law was part of the original crew that took the ship to war in 1944. We got to visit the ship in '81 when Reagan re-activated the Iowa-class. Living history.
Same with the USS Texas. Hopefully they save it
@@jpc6485 Agree 100%!
Post war, but don't forget the SS United States
I’d also like to bring to attention the Holy Roller. An M4 Sherman that was crewed by members of the 1st Hussars regiment during WW2. The London, Ontario based regiment is currently doing a fundraiser to restore it.
I quite enjoy your narration of history and I just subscribed to your channel! Great research and wonderful storytelling, thanks for all you do for us historians.
I was wondering if you could do a story on the black Donnellys that were an Irish group in southern Ontario that were wiped out. If anyone can tell the story well it would be you.
Go Canada go 🇨🇦
The freakiest thing about a slinky is that if you drop it while it is suspended, the bottom stays in place mid-air until the top reaches it and it becomes fully compressed. #mindblown
That's an interesting little side-fact, haha.
I had a slinky too in the past and I could have sworn the bottom could actually get pulled up a bit by the collective springiness of the spiral. This is something Slow-mo Guys channel should do a vid on.
@@Yezpahr i thought they did
edit: they did 8 years ago
The only battleship to go into space, huh? No wonder it returned to attack the crew of the Starship Enterprise.
Sky Den you have the bridge
I wonder if the personal effects and collectibles that had to be strewn throughout the ship made it onto the black markets in Indonesia as they scraped the rest
"Every mushroom cloud has a silver lining"
LMAO! That was hilarious!
I had a slinky once, I straightened it. [Egon Spengler]
Simon - I know it is not you but your writers as you pretty much say this on B Blaze (I am a fan) - but I found myself yelling in my head why can't they change the way they make steel or compensate with other techniques for measuring radiation. And then, ba-bump!, you deliver that they have and that the levels of ionizing radiation have dropped radically since the 1980s and is not much of problem. I find this is often the formula for 'Today I Found Out'. I am an addicted to the formula :-)
But, do not worry Simon. Your writers - is it Danny? - cannot deliver the snark that you so subtly deliver with your British style! LOVE IT!
Great episode. Pity the culprits who stripped the Exeter were not cought and punished. It was a war grave.
When you capitalism enough, nothing is sacred.
I can understand Steel, however, lead is still found in the ground, and could be melted in a manner that doesn't expose it.
I believe the reason there’s a market is because lead mining is both dangerous and terrible for the environment
The fact that slinky had a slinky past, should surprise no one.
I worked for Lawrence Lab in the 90's we had a low background lab with chambers made of battleship guns
"Every mushroom cloud has a silver lining." Hehehe! Fascinating stuff.
You can still get real Slinkies I build Ham radio antennas out of them
Never let a naked male toddler play with a Slinky.
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 roflol that was a good one but the make great antennas.
@@kirkmorrison6131 Just don't ask me how I know lol.
Please read it all as I wrote it as things came to me as I thought of things. Don't let the high end prices scare you as they are normally manufactures showing of and are about 6 to 10 times the middle of the line or even normal high end
Well, a really good used transceiver can be had for 200 to 300 dollars. This is for a basic one but usable for anything. New ones $700 or so to 20000K the later a for very special use and or Guys like Joe Walsh of the Eagles
My call is N4YPR you can contact me through QRZ.com just look up my call and I will be happy to help you get started and help you out with finding equipment
Oh by the way your first license will be Technician which is the starter you can sit and get all three in the same day. I have seen many do it.
Anyway VHF/UHF equipment starts around 100 dollars and goes up if multiple bands- modes and such to about 1500 to 2000 but there are many wonderful rigs well taken care of used on EBay just avoid I don't know if it works ones as they don't.
I have a station for a local net I made the antenna, 18.25 inches of wire for grounplanes FM transceiver 30 dollars. The coach was more than the rest of everything else as I bought the best, otherwise it would have cost 55 or 60 dollars.
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 lol I can guess. I have gotten my pinky caught making antennas. Anything more sensitive ouch. I am glad you can laugh about it now
I don't know if anybody ever told you this but your voice is very relaxing to listen to
Agreed
Are you gay ?
@@wldmhd lmaro no I take the Bible literally 100% sorry to say that is an abomination
@@TheknightofGod-KOG ,, excellent,,, happy for you.. i was kidding with you l.
hoping your find the right book..
@@wldmhd KJB
Not sure if someone hasn't already pointed this out, but with 203mm guns it means Exeter was a heavy cruiser.
As I said in a previous comment. This scrap metal/ steel etc must be extremely valuable. It can all be recycled brass copper steel iron alloys etc
HMS Exeter was a heavy cruiser. She had 8" guns.
That comment lends itself to so many jokes... 😀😜
@@imlistening1137
Exeter was in fact a heavy cruiser. The joke is on your com.
@@anonymusum I’m sure your comment is correct. It’s just that 2020 has me needing jokes more than normal... ✌️
@@imlistening1137 Totally understandable.
Thank you
I remember that there were radiation-shielded chambers at the Scottish Universities Reactor Centre in East Kilbride that were simply lengths of gun-barrel from Scapa Flow.
I know this one. It has to do with pre-atomic test steel having no radioactivity in it. What bugs me is I can't remember why that matters. Now on to the video to jog my memory as to why.
Some 1911 clones have been made out of steel from old railroads and those are actually kind of desirable.
Glorious American battleship steel
Folded 1 quintillion times
Cuts through Japanese waves and fleets like butter
December 7th 1941
Material Science: "Er..... No."
Yes, I learned of the market for 'low background' steel back when I read G. Gordon Liddy's 'The Monkey Handlers' 30 years ago.
you make decisions that directly influence internet communication. your input determines what information reaches which people. that is very valuable.
I work at a steel mill built in the 1860s running 100 year old overhead cranes.And some spare parts have 1890 vintage inventory tags.Every morning we huddle around a work table made from a heavy slab with the raised letters. CARNEGIE...So boys who feels like working today!
Interesting note: the steel from the enormous number of Fletcher-class destroyers produced for the US Navy in World War 2, most of which were scrapped after the war, was bought almost in its entirety by Gillette and is to this very day being purposed as shaving razors. This is because warship steel is useless for almost any industrial purpose and thus had minimal value at the time of the bulk sale.
That's a myth and can easily be disproven for the 1 millionth time by emailing Gillette and asking. Or you can understand different grades of steel and then you'd understand that razor steel is completely and totally different from warship steel because warships aren't and never were used to make razors. It didn't happen.
In the early 80s I helped decommissioned a factory & we found a bottle of mercury dating back to 1928. The National Physics Laboratory couldn't believe their luck when we offered it to them.
This is the most fascinating of your episodes I’ve ever seen. Great information!
It is indeed true. Built some of these shieldings myself.
Nice episode thanks! Good detail and myth-busting! Oh and I use Nord, set the country to something like Japan and you get virtually zero ads!
sounds like how people want and love the Beskar of the Mandalorians
Maybe the market for old battleship steel was how the authors came up with the idea of a market for melting down beskar.
After WWII, a man in the business of scrap metals bought all of the German shipwrecks along the Norwegian coast. I don't know how many of them he managed to salvage, but I do know that at least Tirpitz was broken up and salvaged.
At least part of the metal plates of the ship's armour was then sold to companies that do road work. So when they have to dig a hole in the road to work under it, but still want cars to be able to drive across the road, they will cover the hole with these armour plates from Tirpitz. And they are still used today.
So if you ever drive in Norway, and you come across some road work where they have placed steel plates for cars to drive over, these steel plates will be from German war ships. I'm not sure if all of the plates are from Tirpitz, or if they may also be from other ships. But at least the ones in Oslo will be from Tirpitz.
I know where you're going with this. Pre-bomb steel. I work so me times in an underground facility lined with this steel. It is a low background gamma spectroscopy lab. The Germanium crystal detectors need to be cooled in liquid nitrogen to reduce thermal noise. I refill the LN2 dewars.
Thank you for cluttering my head with more useless information....I love it! Thank you for your time and researching that ultimately ended up in this wonderful video 👍
I’m going to guess it’s because battleship steel was made in the pre-nuclear era, and that steel is more clean and pure than any steel made after nukes
yh heard this fact somewhere before aswell
is there somewhere i can read more about this?
@@DaSpineLessFish not to sure maybe just type in pre nuclear steel or pre nuclear metals
That and the fact that armor plate was specialized steel.
You were wrong
Great video and thoroughly interesting. As someone who has had more CT scans and MRIs than I can remember, it gave me an interesting perspective.
if you go to the Philippines and in the coasts, you can find old military hard wear dating back to ww2 and some are old battle ship peaces although in bad condition due to rust and deterioration. A lot of people do metal detection shiz there
I've read that some researchers used to bury big chunks of low background steel and other battleship bits around their facilities instead of leaving the scrap sitting around between experiments to avoid other staff from selling or scrapping the thick plates of metal
Foundry Workers: "Maybe we could just pump pure O2 from this cannist-"
Management: "OK Boys listen up - what do you know about Battleships?"
We scrapped the USS Roanoke CL-145 Light Cruiser in 1972. The 6 inch armor belt was not included in the sale. We had to remove it and load trucks for delivery to the Stanford Linear Accelerator for use in an extension project. The high nickel content steel iron ore was mined prior the the first nuclear and subsequent bomb explosions which contaminated the worlds supply these ores. I learned this in 1972.
Worked at a thermoplastic company as an accountant.. There was a 3m invoice cross my desk that needed coding?? It stated radioactive material??? WTH were we a thermoplastic company doing with radioactive material I inquired.. Well since each new accountant had to muddle there way to know the business and how each bill worked.. I enquired about said bill on the production floor.. IT seems when plastic lids for bottles medicines etc come out of the injection molding machine they have a electrical charge that attracts dust.. So as the shots (plastic caps etc) travel on a conveyor belt above that belt is the radioactive material..That radioactive material then changes the electrical charge and repels dust.. YUP... So now you know too... every damn bottle you have ever used in your lifetime has started its life under radioactive material to repel dust.... Gibson associates cranford nj... Makes one wonder is there any residue left over????????
"every mushroom cloud has a silver lining"
Simon Whistler 2020-
The steel used in making battleships back in the day was also high quality carbon steel,better than the stuff they make today.
That is not true.
@hul8376 yes it is.
@@hul8376 almost everything they make thesedays isn't as good quality as it was years ago.
@@IDGAF56852 Some certain things like cheap products for average consumers made in china.
I build oil platforms for a living so i have a lot of knowledge in steel qualities etc.
@hul8376 yeah ok well I was a welder for 20 years and I can say the steel manufactured years ago in some applications was better quality but I get what you mean,the steel manufacturing process today has progressed a lot compared to back in the day.
The city of Oslo is said to be using metal plates cur out from Tirpitz to temporarily cover holes in the ground when doing road work - there is no thicker or better to be able to hold up against all kinds of heavy vehicles. The whole of Tirpitz was dismantled after the war from where it was sunk in shallow water.
"Every mushroom cloud has a silver lining." That's just epic!
Simon: ...making it the only battleship to ever make it into space.
Anime otaku: *laughs in IJN Yamato*
I guess the Eiffel Tower steel is clean enough...
Noice👌
There's got to be another way to ensure newly made steel has none of those radioactive isotopes in it, kind of like how centrifuges are used to draw and filter out the heavier more desirable atoms/particles of the more fissionable isotopes of Uranium from less pure forms of raw natural Uranium. Shouldn't there be some way then to use a similar process of separating the heavier metals from molten steel by like keeping the molten metal in a liquid form and spinning it super fast in centrifuges, so then the typically heavier than steel heavy metal radioactive atoms/particles could be separated in some way from the less dense steel atoms? Either that or as he said, in the making of steel apparently atmospheric air is blown over the molten metal or something which is what introduces the radioactive atoms into modern steel, so there's got to be a way to filter the oxygen needed then beforehand in compressed air tanks and then use that specially cleaned and filtered air to blow over the molten steel instead of using outdoor atmospheric air during the steel manufacturing process. I dk I'm no scientist obviously, but it seems like we've been able to design and create some pretty crazy sh*t so far in this world, so there's got to be a way to create plates of steel with next to 0% radioactive isotopes contaminating it, no?